Strong reference to the Falklands at Venezuela’s dawn of ‘a new independence’
Argentina’s president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner called on Monday for the end to the Falklands/Malvinas “colonial enclave”, as she forecasted from Venezuela, standing as a privileged guest next to Hugo Chavez, that Latinamerica is in the process of a “second independence”.
Invited by Hugo Chavez as the honour speaker for the launching of Venezuela’s 200 anniversary of the struggle for independence, Mrs. Kirchner blasted the United Kingdom for its intromission in the “Malvinas sea”, thanked Latinamerica solidarity in Argentina’s claims over the Falklands and described as a “universal obligation” that once and for all the “colonial enclave” in the South Atlantic must come to an end.
“In my country there’s an exploration rig that sailed 14.000 kilometres to extract oil from our Malvinas islands. That is the mirror which must guide us. This, the battle for natural resources is one of the clues that we must be aware of to understand the XXI century”, said Mrs. Kirchner addressing the Venezuelan National Assembly.
“We are going through an age of transformations”, added the Argentine president following an introduction on South American history leading to our days. “I’m convinced we are facing a second independence” and this means that the Malvinas islands will eventually return to their legitimate origin, Argentina supported by law, history, geography and the inalienable rights of the Argentine people.
Mrs. Kirchner not only was the honour speaker, she was also seated next to President Chavez and his three daughters during the three-hour long parade stoically enduring the tropical forty degrees Celsius, and in spite of her large dark glasses and fan, repeatedly exchanged comments with the Venezuelan leader.
She was also next to Chavez when honouring Venezuela’s national hero Simon Bolivar and later shared the solemn march at the gardens dedicated to Venezuela’s heroes.
But the review in the Caracas press was not so favourable. El Nacional reported that in the bicentennial, “Chavez has the stage but Cristina harvests dividends”, since she was the sole speaker and undoubtedly there’s no comparison between her oratory capacity for sarcasm and the Venezuelan leader’s string of snap phrases and primitive jingles.
The newspaper also recalled that Argentina likes to “take advantage and privileges economic and trade agreements, but not ideological commitments” with the Venezuelan government”.
Finally several articles refer to her plummeting in opinion polls just a few months after taking office and recall that the “distinguished visitor” is a well known solicitor with a vast experience in collecting monies through repossessed homes (*), was a controversial member of the Argentine Lower House, a Senator that under president Carlos Menem supported privatizations and as a First Lady had a convincing influence over two of the government’s branches”.
(*) When the Kirchner couple moved to Santa Cruz province in the late seventies, they have been accused by the Argentine press and several unions of having made a fortune in real estate through successful repossession of mortgaged homes.
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Oh the irony!!!! When will Argentina eventually return to their legitimate origin - the indigenous peoples that were killed as their land was stolen!!! Damn hipocrasy on the part of a silly twit in charge of Argentina who knows nothing of the history of South America - or choses to forget it when it becomes inconvenient.
What has she acomplished? The drilling continues and ships come and go unimpeded.
[[[ translation for Welsh friends who forgot their own language ]]]
Malvinas is always Argentine !
You have correctly identifed that there exists a Welsh language (congratulations that was really hard wans't it). Is there an Argentinian language? Nope you rely on your Spanish masters for that one. Yes Spain, the same country you and Jihad Jorge think are primative for having a monarchy? They are primitive enough to give you your medium of communication as well as much much more.
You are a good laugh at times.
The UK never stole your islands in 1833. Thing is - even if it were true, which it isn't, what difference would it make? After all the USA took land after 1833, Argentina stole land after 1833, France did, etc etc etc. It happened all the time back then. Will the USA give back land to Mexico? Will Argentina give back the land it took? Argentina is itself a country that was formed from land stolen from the indigenous people. If what Argentina says about 1833 were true, which history shows that it isn't, then what you are saying is that you want back land that you stole in the first place. But then this is all hypothetical as the Falklands were not Argentine in 1833 anyway.
which one will separate into parts firstly ! UK ? Spain ?
What punishment shal we offer to the people , who stole the area which belonged to the Mapuches.
Whole South America has been stolen and colonised or.....???
Do you have double standards or???
Regards from Scandinavia (not a colony!)
THis is just the usual crap from an Argentine Government in trouble politically.
Nothing is happening :-)
Maybe you should read it again :-)
THE HAGUE, 20 April 2010. The International Court of Justice (ICJ), principal judicial organ of the United Nations, today delivered its Judgment in the case concerning Pulp Mills on the River Uruguay (Argentina v. Uruguay).
In its Judgment, which is final, without appeal and binding on the Parties, the Court,
(1) finds, by thirteen votes to one, that the Eastern Republic of Uruguay has breached its procedural obligations under Articles 7 to 12 of the 1975 Statute of the River Uruguay and that the declaration by the Court of this breach constitutes appropriate satisfaction;
(2) finds, by eleven votes to three, that the Eastern Republic of Uruguay has not breached its substantive obligations under Articles 35, 36 and 41 of the 1975 Statute of the River Uruguay;
(3) rejects, unanimously, all other submissions by the Parties.
SO - a procedural fault but the mill isn't polluting as per the spurious claim by Argentina, and the mill can stay where it is an carry on operating. Some kind of win :-)
How's the marriage appeal gdr?
It's also ironic that she sucks up to the Venezuelan dictator on the day that Argentina imprisoned one of it's own for 25 years.
BTW were you an extra on lord of rings, the phrase “you stolllzzz it from usss!” seems to be a recurring theme of nonsense.
As for your islands, your historic duration (5 years) is so embarrasing you have to borrow periods of time from Spain! And then base it on inheritance (BTW i thought inheritance was when it was willingly left in the will, not taken when boot out your mother before her last breath?)
They do claim them - even though their claim is even MORE tenuous than their claim to the Falklands. They have no grip upon reality.
Argentina is right on its demand to the ICJ, it recognized Uruguay has violated some of the articles of Uruguay River Treaty!!!!, but the pulp stays!!!!
That court is clearly biased in favour of economic interests.
It's useless to go to ICJ regarding Malvinas issue. They will say Argentina is right beacause UK has violated argentine sovereignty, but what is done is done, so UK is not obligated to negotiate.
You are clearly SOB!!!!!! and hypocrites!!!!
UK is made by a bunch of thieves!!!
The Malvinas were, is and will be argentineans!!!!!
We'll come back!!!!!
You'll get your ass kicked out of there!!!!
You'll see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This from an Argentinean!!!! Remember who you stole your land from? Your country is the product of theft and genocide.
Jihad Jorge spued out in impotent rage “The Malvinas were, is and will be argentineans!!!!!
We'll come back!!!!!
You'll get your ass kicked out of there!!!!
You'll see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
The Falklands are not yours and never were yours. As to kicking our asses. LOL...look at how well your last attempt went. What a silly
Pinche Cabron you are;-)
We'll come back!!!!!
You'll get your ass kicked out of there!!!!
You'll see!!!!!!!!!! .... ”
No jorgy boy we won't see .... and niether will you. The Islands will get their independence eventually and Argentina will never succeed with it's spurious claims. If the ICJ ever did get to rule on the sovereignty issue Argentina would lose ..... not because the court is biased, but because Argentina's case is more full of holes than the Belgrano !
No problem :-)
It's funny, they claim to want to put an end to colony's. Yet they seek to make Falklands one, and in doing so stop the Falklands from becoming truly independent.
Then again, i don't think the Falklands islanders have much of a call for being independent, they seem content being an overseas territory. Argentina refuses to see this.
2 braincells unused previous owner Jorge Rio-
You don't really know how daft this statement sounds do you? How can they be yours when you don't actually have sovereignty over then? They either are yours or they aren't you have had something lost it and still have and then will have it?
Argentina doesn't go to the ICJ because shes scared, scared that the ICJ will rule against her The historical foundations are shakey needless to say, they had to invent a whole new principle to compensate for Argentina embarrasing duration of ownership of the territory.
It's a bit more complicated than that Jorgebobo, but then I would not expect you to understand. It's too much of an intellectual challenge.
Lo mejor que pueden hacer es pasar a ser una nueva Provincia de Argentina, disfrutar de buenas carnes, vinos y tantas otras cosas.
Mientras tanto estarán encima de una Bomba de tiempo.”
Why is the “best we can do” is have the Falklands become another province of Argentina?
The best we can do is keep things exactly as they are with the Falklands under British sovereignty as the islanders wish.
If Argentina want to stamp their feet, shake their fist, and rattle their sabres they can do so, and in the mean time the islanders will continue their very Birtish way of life on a very British island in the South Atlantic.
No fear, but not much success either ..... you lot of revolutionaries sure know how to .... LOSE :-)
I'll help you out a bit. I know it's hard for you brainwashed Argies to understand. It's because the Falklands are, and freely choose to remain, British. Self determination trumps your manufactured claim any day.
Once again, a man who has never travelled out of South America speaks for all the Irish. This man really needs to be cracked over the head with a hurley.
I can just picture Jorgebobo, now an expert in all things Irish because he once saw an IRA video on youtube, on his first trip to Ireland. I can just see him there, marching down the Garvaghy Road on the 12th July in a touchingly ignorant show of solidarity with his Irish comrades, in a misguided belief that he is united with them all in their hatred for the English.
And we will fight you for eight hundred more.”
Is the funnest part of that poem. Didn't your whole navy sit in harbor during the Falklands, after we sank one ship? Fearless!
Also, didn't your 10,000 strong invasion ground force surrender to a British force under half the size? Hardly fearless.
Your air force was fearless, Yet...it didn't help them much.
[[[ translation for Brits who have different language from Welsh ]]]
Malvinas are grabbed in 1833,under the tail of Americans !
Los argentinos no entendemos el pedido de los Britanicos que viven en las islas, porque los consideramos usurpadores!!!
Que clase de educación les enseñan a los Británicos???
Sabes el significado de Usurpación?
Usurpador: La palabra usurpador es un término despectivo, y como tal no fácilmente definible, como la persona que tomó el poder normalmente tratan de legitimar su posición, mientras que denigrar la de su predecesor. En aras de esta lista, sin embargo, el término se define como cualquier persona que toma el poder la fuerza de un gobernante establecido, sin consideración a que la legitimidad del gobernante.
Ejemplos famosos son considerados usurpadores Enrique IV de Inglaterra , Miguel de Portugal y Habibullah Ghazi de Afganistán .
“Usurper usurper The word is a derogatory term, and as such is not easily definable, as the person who took power usually try to legitimize their position, while denigrating that of his predecessor. For the sake of this list, however, the term is defined as any person who takes over the power of a ruler in place, without regard to the legitimacy of the ruler.
Famous examples are considered usurpers Henry IV of England, Miguel of Portugal and Habibullah Ghazi of Afghanistan. ”
And yet again we see that Jihad Jorge hates democracy and has no concern for the rights of self determination of others. He is a fascist.
Such as Argentina tried to do in 1982 and, if that kiddy killing retard Jihad Jorge had his way, would do again!
pwysau gefnogwr Prydeinig Gellir darllen y testun Saesneg !
[[translation for Brits who have different language from Welsh ]]
foreign Brits can read this linked text easily !
Christopher Ball, andate a la recalcada c*ncha de tu hermana!!!!
What I fail to understand is what the Argies think we should talk about? They cannot come up with a decent argument as to why they should occupy the Falkland Islands and yet they still want talks .... what a waste of time .... can't see it ever happening !
What are you on about and who is this person you keep refering to?
But if they did publically recognise what they do privately, in that they know their claim to the islands are spurious and without foundation, they would not have at their disposal the tool they use to try to hide their incompetance as a government. What would they be able to wheel out whenever they, as a government, became unpopular?
Thanks also for your copy and past from wikipedia re the word usurper, but that too is irrelevant. You may as well copy and paste what wikipedia says about pansies...
www.cilmeri.org/eng/?page_id=5
no thanks !??
There are a few possibility's...
Britain could give them back..... lol, we know thats not going to happen. Even if you had support from several major world powers we're a stubborn bunch.
Military action.....lol.
UN sanctions - VETO.
You could try ICJ, but any sane court would just throw it out.
none of these possibilities !
surpriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiise !
Firstly - as you have been asked before and as Mercopress as also - can you post in English please.
Secondly - the FACTS are that it was Argentina that attempted to usurp the islands from the UK. Sorry to burst your bubble but what you have been taught is WRONG. And history shows that to be the case. In 1833 Britain conducted a police action to take back that which Argentina, well the United Provinces, tried to steal from her. And even if the story was as you have implied, which it isn't, it still wouldn't matter as Argentina, along with other countries at that time, also took land from others. But it didn't happen as Argentina tries to claim - even in the face of all the evidence. All we ever get is a repeat of the same lies. Nothing else. And we also seem to have evidence of a very selective memory from Argentina. Remember - that which YOU accuse us of doing you did yourself to create Argentina. So STOP trying to claim the moral high ground. It doesn't wash.
Now you can laugh as much as you want BUT it is the UN that has given the right of self determination to the people of the Falklands. You do support the UN don't you?
Shhh! They don't like to talk about that and when they do they have convinced themselves that the facts of the matter are not the case and it doesn't matter in any debate on the Falklands - the Argentine art of self delusion is a wonder to behold;-)
Roberts, Mamála!!!
Do the Mapuches have a claim in th UN??? - NO
Does Argentina have a claim in the UN??? - YES
Will UK have for ever veto power??? - NO (LOL)
Will UK get out of its debt and deficit crisis? - NO (LMFAO)
Will Argentina recover the islands???? - YEAAAAH (ROFLMFAO)
That's because you Argies killed them all with your “rifle patrias”...
That is because you killed most of them and those that survive would be murdered if they did speak up.
Jihad Jorge wrote ”Does Argentina have a claim in the UN??? - YES“
Not one that is of any value. Not one that you dare take to an actual body that would come to a conclusion on it such as the ICJ.
Jihad Jorge wrote ”Will UK have for ever veto power??? - NO (LOL)“
We still have it and you never will LOL
Jihad Jorge wrote ”Will UK get out of its debt and deficit crisis? - NO (LMFAO)“
We have more chance of improving the situation than your silly country has. Given the terrible state of your economy and the corruption - it isn't really something you should be throwing at the UK.
Jihad Jorge wrote ”Will Argentina recover the islands???? - YEAAAAH (ROFLMFAO”
Unless the islanders change their minds it isn't going to happen. And if it did it wouldn't be you 'recovering' the islands as they were never yours to recover.
And this person you keep refering to is?
Is it? Are you sure? Are you now a stalker?
Whoever claims the islands is the Argentine people!
Christine Ball, you used to post here with that last name!!! I didn't do anything other than check some mercopress articles two years ago.
We'll come back!!!
And what's with 'come back' anyway? To where? Difficult to 'go back' to what you're never held!
Still no sense from the Argies the, still nothing to discuss :-)
www.unpo.org/content/view/7895/127/
I introduce you the british bomb that will explode anytime soon and will make disappear your country.
www.debtbombshell.com/
lol. How funny it is........
www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=9&oq=argentina+debt+&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4RNWN_enGB261GB262&q=argentina+debt+2010
If the UK is experiencing a few problems now it is nothing compared to what Argentina is facing and has experienced over the years. Argentina is a financial basket case!!!
My toilet paper has your face Mr Ball. lol
Yawn - I see that whilst you can dish it out you cannot take it.
Jiahd Jorge ejaculated “My toilet paper has your face Mr Ball. lol”
Who is this person you keep refering to and why do you think that it is me?
In Patagonia, Argentina have nothing to claim the Mapuche. The Mapuche were responsible for the extermination of the tehuelches, which were authentic Aboriginal people of Northern Patagonia Argentina 1830-1880.
Ever notice how anything criticising Argentina is always dismissed. Wonder if Orwell came up with the idea of Double Think from Argentina.
There is a pattern to them. They cannot take anyone showing that there is another side to the story. But this is a symptom of their ailment - you see they have been so indoctrinated that they become fearful if anything challenges that which they have been brainwashed into believing. Rather than look at the counter argument they choose to ignore/dismiss/deny it. Their world would fall apart if they actually opened themselves up to an alternative viewpoint. I pity them...
Question:
Because there are British in a mapuche organization.
Amusingly, this Mapuche Nation organisation, which you think is a farce, joins with Australian Aboriginals amongst others to form the UNPO. www.unpo.org/ How amusingly ironic...
Horacio, you should think a bit before putting your fingers to the keyboard, because when you come out with stuff like you did above in comment #79, you just make yourself look stupid and ignorant and you show a breathtaking ignorance of your own country's history.
If you got a bit of education, we continue this conversation in terms of mutual respetuo. Who insults reveals that has no arguments and little common sense.
No the official Argentine history is the invented one. Open your eyes.
How much wisdom.....
Once again, I encourage you to think before you type, because you only end up insulting your own intelligence if you write comments like #79, and not only that, you insult thousands and thousands of indigenous people who died in Argentine massacres and continue to suffer today...
www.mapuche-nation.org/espanol/main/especial/nacion_m/situacion.htm
Also,
..........“On the 11th of May 1996 a group of Mapuches and Europeans ”concerned???” with the fate of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Americas, and in particular with the Mapuche people of Chile and Argentina , launched the Mapuche International Link (MIL) in BRISTOL, UK.”............
- mmmmmm...........I don't know if Horacio is right, but I wouldn't say he is wrong, at least one could be suspicious.
The site didn't mention the genocide against Tehuelches made by Mapuches when they came to this side of the mountain range. Everyone knows they came from Chile killing the indigenous on this side.
Anyway that is not justification to do what Roca did. The truth be told!
”Will UK have for ever veto power??? - NO (LOL)”
Erm, yes. As part of the security council the United kingdom will always have Veto powers. New members of the security council will not receive a veto. It is something reserved for the current and founding members of the UN, a price paid in blood i believe(ww2).
”Will UK get out of its debt and deficit crisis? - NO (LMFAO)”
The UK has been in debt before, i don't even think this is our highest debt we've ever obtained. If thats your plan on getting back the islands it's flawed.
Everyone thought G-8 was going to be always the club which manage world's economy, now is dead!!!! China, Brazil and India are growing and will be more powerful than you. That's why today's most important meeting is G-20, not G-8 anymore.
The future of your country is the present of Yogoslavia, deal with it!!!
I have no real concerns with the security council being enlarged - but if you REALLY think that Russia and China would, given their own problems, give up the power of veto you are being somewhat gullible. Oh but I forgot who it was I was talking to.....;-)
You know, given Argentina's long and continued financial woes - it isn't really fitting for you to cast such stones, sonny. Think about it...;-)
The whole reason the security council was created was so as to prevent idiot countries like Argentina, Venezuela, Iran and Iraq from putting their opinion's into actions and doing something daft and we shall keep it that way, some countries sadly have not reached a level of development and maturity which enables them to function in a manner that would be beneficial to the world.
I suppose they are comparable these countries, to 16 year olds wanting the vote have all the normal rights and respect as others, however still not mature enough to think in a rational manner, Argentina is certainly one of these countries, screeches and squawks and knocks it's food bowl over when looking at the falklands, is this the action of a mature country worthy of such power, I think not.....cheer up old Chap Jorge, I am sure when you lose the 2nd and 3rd Falklands war you might get the point.
As for us going the way of Yugoslavia, I didn't know the UK was an artificially created slavic country by the great powers after world war 1 as a buffer to Turkish and Austrian hegemony that already had a long history of inter ethnic violence?
As for Argentina, perhaps you might go the way of the US in the 1860's? The central govt becomes too autocratic and botches up the job so much financially that the economic weaker and less populated provinces see seccession as the only means to ensure their future?
It's happening Jorge like with everywhere Patatgonia and Tierra del Fuego have been maligned and ignored by BA for too long, think about Jorge you lot don't matter to BA, your support is taken for granted and you are nothing but a large milking cow for Buenos Aires.
I can't read #94. It appears as a jamaican virus.
Wrong. Very wrong. I don't see how the USA is loosing power currently they spend almost as much on defense as the rest of the world does(47% i believe).
And no, France china and Russia are NOT in any way considering the removal of the veto power. All the country's on the security council do want to enlarge it. But all five country's would make it very to remove the veto. New members of the security council will not likely get a veto.
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