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Argentina and Falkland Islands meet Tuesday at the decolonization committee
Argentina on Tuesday is scheduled to make its annual presentation before the United Nations Decolonisation Committee on the Malvinas Islands question, as it has been doing since 1989. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules““The Malvinas question is a national cause which has all the support from the Americas and most of the country members of United Nations” No it's not.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Canada is claiming sovereignty over Alaska, because of Alaska's proximity to Canada.
“ ... as it has been doing since 1989....”
Jun 20th, 2011 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... as has been traditional ...”
This farce has been going on so long it has become a 'tradition'.
The only difference this year is that, following the Prime Minister's comments last week, the C-24 has had a timely reminder that it is wasting its time. Although it probably already knew that.
Well, it should be a nice get-together for all our South American friends.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope that, once all have presented their arguments for the record, those with the biggest reputation in the campos get to lay on a big barbie.
“The Malvinas question is a national cause which has all the support from the Americas and most of the country members of United Nations”
Jun 20th, 2011 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nice spin Timmerman, They support NEGOTIATION, and by that they mean real negotiation not the RG definition (negotiation: agreed settlement in which Argentina gets absolutely everything it wants). Even so this use of the C24 is still such a load of bullshit that I'm amazed anyone bothers, Argentina doesn't want to negotiate, they want the Falklands under their sovereignty, It's written into their constitution FFS. The only people who are being realistic are the British and the Falkland Islanders, David Cameron is only stating Britains position in real terms, there is no middle ground, no possibility of negotiation. CFK describes what Cameron said “as mediocre and almost stupid”, try 'honest' CFK (if you know what the word means).
“As I said, I was born in the Falklands like a great many of those who elected me, and if the UN honours it pledges on self determination, as robustly as our protecting power does, we fully intend to end our days in our Islands under the government and nationality of our choosing, not one that is forced upon us.”
Jun 20th, 2011 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- One of last years speeches
If Gibraltar go through with formally asking that they be de-listed I'd imagine that would also be a popcorn moment. It'll place the C24 in a rather interesting position, if they refuse to honour the request of both the democratically elected government and the main opposition party then they clearly don't stand for decolonization at all and are nothing more than a political talking shop.
If they do take them off of the list then I would imagine that it'll set up a wonderful show for the 2012 meeting when the Falkland Islands follow suit (bring popcorn for that one).
From their point of view, it would actually mean that the third decade for the eradication of colonialism would be assured of removing at least twice as many territories from their little list as the second decade did (although the securing of independance for East Timor probably owes considerably more to the Australians and New Zealanders who made up most of INTERFET than they do to the C24).
Lets open talks on the Falklands people taking over Argentina and giving them proper democracy, seems a good idea to me, after all they were in that area long before the pirate nation of Argentina was.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did Vernet try to sell the Islands to GB (for personal gain)? or is just my impression ? Just a question ..... Notice to you all , be nice, don't use foul language and don't kill the messenger .... is just a freaking question !!
Jun 20th, 2011 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was expecting their new citizen Mr Peck to be there! Alex and Maria are getting a bit old hat nowadays! Anyway a ritual pretty meaningless non event with the voting already decided several weeks ago in most cases!
Jun 20th, 2011 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have to go though and counter the fantasy stories as otherwise it would be an ever bigger farce.
Two elected members from Malvinas “Legislative Assembly” are expected to request Mr Timerman Argentinean passports :-)
Jun 20th, 2011 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.eldiariodelfindelmundo.com/ediciones/edicion/3996/index.html
”Did Vernet try to sell the Islands to GB (for personal gain)? or is just my impression ?”
Jun 20th, 2011 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He was a business man whom asked for british permission to use the islands and buy land there. He didn't sell the land to us.
@10
Jun 20th, 2011 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0attempted to ...
Art - not aware of Vernett trying to sell the islands. General Rosas however!
Jun 20th, 2011 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.falklandshistory.org/spanish4.pdf
Section 22 may be what you are looking for.
Still full of it MoreCrap?
12 Rotted, I almost forget that you want one too, here is the information:
Jun 20th, 2011 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Embassy of Argentina in Bangkok, Thailand
Suite 1601, Glas Haus Bldg., No. 1 Sukhumvit 25, Sukhumvit Road
Bangkok
Thailand
If you guys come away satisfied and put Foreign Affairs minister Hector Timerman in his place, you may well gain more than you bargained for,
Jun 20th, 2011 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These people are trying to justify themselves.
And waste public money, Mr timer man will be hoping to get something from this, to take back to his master,
I just hope you give him something he won’t forget in a hurry ??
Wow, I didn't know you could still afford to keep an embassy anywhere, why one in Thailand I wonder....
Jun 20th, 2011 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0;-))))))
@8
Yeah, so much for Mr Pecks 'I just happened to be there and they took a picture of me' excuses, he's playing the controversy of his descision for every iota of publicity he can get, one wonders at the degree of his hypocrisy....does the man ever stop lying? still, I suppose that means he'll fit right in in Argentina. Isn't being a two-faced habitual liar and bullshitter a requirement to immigrate to Argentina. You've only got to read his blog to see how well qualified he is: http://jamespeck.blogspot.com/2011/06/citizenship.html
What a pretentious prat.
@12
Jun 20th, 2011 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks
Timerman dont arf look like Pob
Jun 20th, 2011 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.classickidstv.co.uk/wiki/Pob's_Programme
Apparently British diplomacy has begun to act: ; )
Jun 20th, 2011 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Kelp reported threats that processed your ID”
“I received messages that warn me that if I return to the Islands, shoot me,” said James Peck to The Times
http://translate.google.es/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=es&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lanacion.com.ar%2F1383040-denuncio-amenazas-el-malvinense-que-tramito-su-dni&act=url
James Peck is the only Argentine born in the Malvinas, he is a hero and patriot to his people for bravely standing up against British colonialism and their puppet regime in the Malvinas. Soon all the people of the Malvinas will be free to return to their homeland or be liberated from life!
Jun 20th, 2011 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I received messages that warn me that if I return to the Islands, shoot me,” said James Peck to The Times
Jun 20th, 2011 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is talking about it,and doing it,and the Argies sure know how to do it
In 1977 Astiz kidnapped Azucena Villaflor de Vicenti, the founder of the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo, a non-violent group of mothers protesting against the disappearance of their sons. Neither she, nor any of the other early members of the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo kidnapped by Astiz on the same night, were ever seen again. While Astiz kidnapped hundreds of people during 1976 and 1977
what was Astiz's rank in 1976? Just a question
Jun 20th, 2011 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ stick up your junta - 50,000 dissidents disappeared for GOOD! Should have been far more! This is only period of our history when we have been free of American domination!
Jun 20th, 2011 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 050,000 ? the number went up , 30%?
Jun 20th, 2011 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Artillero601 (#) Do we know the true figure? No but we can hope that next time fewer will survive.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In reality we don't ...
Jun 20th, 2011 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, Filippo, the tone and what you are saying indiscriminately about thousands of deaths does not do you or your country credit. I believe in free speech but not deliberately inflammatory genocidal comments. Watch it my friend; you may become the monster you think you are attacking.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 19 they are in their homeland, the Falklands.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To me everything about this country Argentina is just hanging from a thread, it's just a matter of time. This country as a dream of all those people who fought for the independence, for this territory and values, has failed, it's a big lie. Argentina is a big mistake. I really hope that one day this territory will be divided and all of us will have the type of government and life that we want. They will have their government and their territory, and we will have our government and our territory. I hope I'll be alive to see this day. Everyone is hating on each other, we live in the same territory but we're not a country or a nation, it's just because of politics, it will take just a political decision and a referendum to decide which side of the territory we want to live in, so what's the point in living under the same government like we're doing now? It doesn't make sense anymore.
I really do not understand how it relates Astiz, with serious death threats made to James Peck (no relation!)
Jun 20th, 2011 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Death threats seem to be a common policy for certain types of people. The scientist who discovered the deaths of 5 million penguins (Mike Bingham), also suffered death threats as well as serious an attack on his vehicle that could have killed (which was also expelled from the “democracy” kelper for having revealed). Do not defend the indefensible.
Greetings, JPL.
24 Filippo----- Your one sick person, has anyone ever told you that? Was your Pa some kind of Nazi because what you are saying they actualy did.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#7 Artillero601, Vernet sold all of his Falkland possessions to G.T.Whittington, one of the founders of the FIC. He of course later claimed compensation for the same property from the British Government. The British Government didn't recognise the land transfer as legal, as they didn't recognise it as Vernet's property to sell or the legality of the transaction in Buenos Aires.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another twist in the story, the record of the transaction is in the National Archives in Buenos Aires.
Vernet came back for a 3rd bite of the cherry by asking the French Government to act on his behalf, claiming he was French born, and asking for further compensation.
And his children had a 4th go, claiming it as part of his estate on his death.
You have to admite the Chutzpah of the man.
Perhaps if she is frightened to go to the ICJ, then great Britain should end this farce [and take Argentina their instead]
Jun 20th, 2011 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And let the whole bloody world see their decision once and for all.
Then the Falkland’s and Britain can sit back and see what Argentina does next .??..
JPL et al.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've had multiple death threats by email and even phone calls to my home from Argentines who don't like to hear the truth.
James Peck has allegedly had death threats.
What do we conclude from this?
There are anonymous cowards everywhere but that doesn't mean we tar an entire people with the same brush. Those that do are just as guilty as the anonymous cowards of moral cowardice.
Am I wrong?
21. I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure he was a Navy Lieutenant Oct-Nov 1977.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 28 JPL (#) Have you ever heard of false flag attacks? One country may attack a person, or whatever and make it look like the other side. This happened a lot in Argentine history during the rule of the Junta, left wing crimes were carried out by right wing thugs in order to demonise the left. Do the math. Cui bono?
Jun 20th, 2011 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine government seems to be investing far too much time in something that is a waste of their time (for them). One has to wonder if there is desperation behind it. Have they nothing else to offer that would give them another term in office?
Jun 20th, 2011 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 “You have to admite the Chutzpah of the man......”
Jun 20th, 2011 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was my understanding and thank you for the information
@32 Your are right! .We get comfortable and we tend to disclose personal information on this forum without realizing that is open to the public and who knows is on the other site .... I make that mistake all the time.
The Indigenous Quilmes people consist of around 3,000 people and most of them live in the north-western Argentinean province of Tucumán.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Police officers tried to forcibly evict the Indigenous community of El Nogalito on 22 and 25 September 2009. Indigenous leaders Manuel Joaquín Pérez and Margarita Mamaní have reported death threats and intimidation in relation to their campaign to secure land tenure for El Nogalito. On 13 October 2010 an envelope containing bullets was left at Manuel Pérez’s home. On 10 March 2011 a man left him a voice message on his mobile phone threatening to kill Manuel Pérez and saying that he was following Manuel Pérez’s son. On 31 March he received a death threat by SMS text message. Margarita Mamaní received her latest death threat on 26 April. Although all the incidents have been reported to the authorities, nobody has been brought to account and no protection has been offered to the Indigenous leaders and their communities
FLIPPER,, just to show no hard feeling, we present you with ???
Jun 20th, 2011 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning,
No one you see, is smarter than he,
And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder,
Flying there under, under the sea!
Everyone loves the king of the sea,
Ever so kind and gentle is he,
Tricks he will do when children appear,
And how they laugh when hes near!
They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning,
No-one you see, is smarter than he,
And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder,
Flying there-under, under the sea
32 JustinKuntz/34 row82/37 stick up your junta
Jun 20th, 2011 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with you, anonymous threats are made by cowards. But I think we can also agree that the island government and the islanders, are not well-regarded in world public opinion (the death threats to Mr. Peck became known around the world) with these cases, unfortunately, NO are unique (ask Alexander Betts, Mike Bingham, for example). All cases are matched with people who disagreed with the opinion of the hard line of the islands or your government, so it is very questionable conspiracy theory of a false flag attack. Also, discuss cases of Argentine indigenous communities and Astiz, has nothing to do here. They are different things.
Greetings, JPL.
I think you underestimate world public opinion, JPL. I think there are plenty of people who recognise a prize nut job when they see one.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately, the Falkland Islands does seem to either attract or create the odd character that becomes, in their estimation, just to great for the place. The Falkland Islands community fails to recognise their greatness (having a finely tuned collective bullshit detector), and their narcissistic delusions force them to go somewhere they will be appreciated.
And where better for a compulsive bullshitter with delusions of grandeur to go than Argentina?
I feel a bit sorry for Jamie, in the sense that he doesn't seem to have realised what would be perfectly obvious to anyone else; that the Argentine regime would use him as a propaganda tool.
I don't feel sorry for Mike Bingham; he's a poisonous little creep who does wretched science and passes it off as the 'truth'.
I invite JPL to consider my previous comment.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I equate the moral cowardice on anonymous cowards how makde death threats with individuals who would take the actions of anonymous cowards to attempt to blacken the name of an entire community.
Full stop. Do not pass go, do not collect £200.
Filipo, what a disgusting “comment”, go light a candle for your drunken idols Galtieri and Videla.
Jun 21st, 2011 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Artillero601, would your former unit be GADA 601?
Jun 21st, 2011 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0JPL- death threats against J,Peck - in his fantasy dreams! Ok maybe a few folk,s immediate reactions was to the effect that“I,ll kill the bugger if I see him here again”,or similar left on his email, but I suggest little more than that! And even those would be not because of WHAT he did - but totally because of the WAY he did it! Quite logical to take out citizenship if you want to live in a country permanently- but no need to dump your birthright and insult your dead father like that!
Jun 21st, 2011 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bingham,s alleged death threats - were investigated by the police here thoroughly and no evidence of threats found - it was generally put down to all part of his fantasy and smokescreen life as the lies of his false degrees all started to unravel around him.
World Opinion? - well thats your opinion and you are entitled to it. Countries that recognize our existence and Govt and have commercial relations with us include Chile, Uruguay,Brazil,Costa Rica,USA, Canada, All EU States, Australia,New Zealand, India - just for for a short list.
Interesting system, in the UK we put our loonies in the nut house. In the Falkland islands, you send them to Argentina. maybe the UK Government should adopt a similar policy. Mind you, we used to send the difficult and unorthodox ones to the 13 colonies and that didn't work out so well :-)
Jun 21st, 2011 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah!
Jun 21st, 2011 - 04:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good and honest people you resulted after all.
Talking about human rights, self-determination and freedom as if British have the monopoly of it. And when one of them chose freely to use his human right of self-determination to become an Argentinean citizen to see his kids he is just threatened to be shot to death by his own people.
What kind of nasty and coward people can do such thing?
Such a bunch of hypocrite and nasty people you are.
General Manuel Belgrano; that Argentinian patriot who fought, on behalf of his people, for self-determination against Spain.
Jun 21st, 2011 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now the languages of Argentina includes Spanish, English,Italian, German and French. A melting pot of potential talent and Democratic Process. Democracy isn't perfect- it seems to me that's a component of it's meaning- to strive for it in a habitat of free-expression protected by Laws. Trouble is, it is sometimes confused by some as a question of geography and distance; some people imagine that it depends on how far away it is from its elected Parliament or elected protective host. This strictly means of course, to such political and social mistaken thinking of that would-be owner of democratic Islands, that a tourist to their country who is deemed to be at least 14000 kilometres away from his or her nation, automatically has no democratic rights. And that may well be, if that tourist is visiting a non-democratic country. “Not so!” That country might reply; “We believe in the rights of our own citizens to freedom, as we therefore do for anyone else, both individually and collectively....”
That ,of course, is what a Nation comprises; individuals who make the Nation's population; part of which may live on islands.
46 NicoDin------- Ah NicoDin is opening is mouth again, lets take a good look at Argentina's record on Human rights shall we and what a nasty cowardly unsavory country Argentina is
Jun 21st, 2011 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/wha/154491.htm
www.amnesty.org/en/region/argentina
www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/countries/americas/argentina
www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/08/10/argentina-guarantee-women-s-access-health-care
Yes as we can all can see NicoDin knows what he is talking about when it comes down to Human Rights.
Come into a civilized world NicoDin, let us show you how a civilized nation acts towards its people. Oh don't bother to post the few of Britain's misdeeds I will just demolish them. and post yet more terrible mistreatment of your citizens.
This is all mad. There's a long way from calling people names on the internet to actually shooting them, quite apart from the fact that the person telling us about these 'death threats' is the man himself.
Jun 21st, 2011 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0No-one is particularly surprised about Jamie taking Argentine citizenship. I doubt anyone cares much about that. It's the way he has done it that has caused offence. He didn't have to make a public spectacle of himself and allow himself to be exploited.
Perhaps you Argentines might want to take a long hard look at yourselves and have a think about why the average Falkland Islander hates you so much.
This is no 'hard line' reaction; it's what just about everyone here thinks, however much you might want to deny it.
He has allowed himself to be used ... and it would seem that he is already regretting it !
Jun 21st, 2011 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, NicoDin, the British do not have a monopoly on Democracy; there is a lot of dissatisfaction with it at the present time. The point of it all in that respect, is though it may be difficult, the facilities and “tools” are there to change the situation. In a democracy less concerned for rights of the individual, that individual may not have been provided by the country with the necessary experience and opportunity to differentiate between what is propaganda and what is not. And even if he or she can differentiate, the power to change things is seriously hampered. Of course, some people are able to see the differences, but choose the restrictive path.
Jun 21st, 2011 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently flipper does not like it, when the boot is on the other foot,
Jun 21st, 2011 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He goes all quiet .
James Peck is the only Argentine to be born in the Malvinas. That the colonial government wish to have him killed is a war crime. If this happens it will be international news and will prove to the world what the British are.
Jun 21st, 2011 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mmmm an island called malvinas, with only one citizen,
Jun 21st, 2011 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is he intitled to vote himself leader, or does he need to flip over to argentina .
@Britishbulldog
Jun 22nd, 2011 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you want to justify the threatening of James Peck to be shot to death with propaganda made by AI.
Tell me where is the human right violation according with you. A judge have ordered the foreclosure of the land something similar to what happen every in US and Britain leaving millions on the streets.
You can agree or not with the sentence given by the judge but is like things work in democracy.
But you rotten minds only spot a case involving 30 people in a nation of 42m that is involved in a legal battle for land and that also have lawyers and legal assistance.
““[The authorities have] evicted us numerous times, but we’ve been organizing ourselves for some time now, taking control of our ancestral land from third parties – interests from outside, who aren’t locals. They have more political support than in the past and we find ourselves hemmed in.”
“The community’s lawyers filed a formal complaint against the judge on 1 June, accusing him of “failing to comply with the duties he is charged with” and of making an arbitrary ruling in favour of the company.”
So is a legal issue and not an abuse of human rights else you are the worse in the world because in UK if you don’t pay or if a judge say that you have to leave there is nothing you can do. Hypocrite where are the human rights of all these British being foreclose by bankers?
And last and not least, threatening an Argentinean citizen as is Mr Peck now is a serious crime in Argentina and doesn’t matter if the idiot is in UK or US or elsewhere. The person doing that will have to move to Iran to avoid going to jail if Mr. Peck made the corresponding criminal denounce. The arms of Interpol are long enough to catch them.
Luis Vernet was from Hamburg, Germany but moved to Uruguay, then later to Argentina, he was a traitor to Argentina as he first went to the British Consul in recognition of the British claim to the Malvinas, he also undertook a survey for British and recruited British colonists. He failed in his duty to defend the Malvinas and was not there when the Lexington raided, his colony of 20 men surrendered without a fight!
Jun 22nd, 2011 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0The real Argentine hero of the Malvinas was Don Juan Esteban Mestivier but he was murdered by his own men, also traitors to Argentina! We need to rid ourselves of all such traitors and then we can take the Malvinas back.
NO MORE COLONIALS IN LATIN AMERICA, THIS IS OUR LAND, GO HOME
55 NicoDin // Filippo
Jun 22nd, 2011 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The pot calling the kettle black again.
RIGHTS you argie don’t know what rights are,
All you can do is condemn others what you did in the first place,
Hypocrites lies and yes boys to your master/ ..fools.
Is Filippo a native South American name? I don't think so. It sounds more Italian to me. And he has the cheek to call the Falkland Islanders colonials. I bet most of them have been there for more generations that your family has been in Argentina Filippo. Did you grandparents come with the the rest of the Italians after WWII? Probably.
Jun 23rd, 2011 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0# 22...Filippo the fascist...a nice ring to it, no? Ignorant savage thinks that extrajudicial murder is ok...how do you feel that all of your friends are behind bars? That's the rule of law for you!
Jun 24th, 2011 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Free from domination? Then how come your friends sought a green light from that mass-murderer Kissinger before killing dissidents. The military cowards wouldn't fart without permission from the state department...I call that domination don't you?
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB104/index.htm
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