UK protests to Argentina the interception of Falklands licensed fishing vessels
The UK has protested to Argentina over its interception of Falkland Islands-licensed fishing boats, mainly Spanish in disputed South Atlantic waters and in the River Plate when they approach the port of Montevideo.
Earlier in the week the Spanish government expressed ‘concern’ about what was happening to the Vigo-based Spanish fishing fleet in the South Atlantic and promised to collect the pertinent information to address the issue with Argentine authorities.
Last year, Argentina passed a decree (256) requiring ships sailing between the Falklands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands to obtain permission to pass through Argentine “jurisdictional waters” and has proceeded to intercept Falklands flagged or licensed vessels.
In a statement on Tuesday the Foreign Office said: “Although we are aware that Argentina has recently challenged vessels transiting between the Falklands and the port of Montevideo – purportedly under Argentine Decree 256, we are not aware of any vessel that has been fined or individual that arrested.
”The UK has protested to Argentina, and has firmly rejected Decree 256. We consider that it is not compliant with international law, including the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).
“UNCLOS provides for ships of all States to enjoy the right of innocent passage through territorial seas. The UK is clear that no vessel needs to comply with Argentine Decree 256 when transiting Argentine waters. However, decision is ultimately a matter for ships’ owners” said the Foreign Office.
In the latest series of incidents Argentine patrol boats intercepted radio communications of Spanish fishing vessels operating with Falkland Islands licences and asked for information from the captain.
”On a number of occasions in recent months the Argentine Coast Guard and Navy have challenged boats travelling between the Falklands and the port of Montevideo in Uruguay“ said Member of the Falkland Islands Legislative Assembly, Mike Summers.
”They hail the boats and ask them for information such as the passport number of the captain, possibly trying to warn them off.” However interceptions had not led to a disruption of trade.
“The Falkland Islands Government has no doubt about its right to issue licences to foreign companies to fish in its waters” underlined MLA Summers.
The Galicia based association of fishing vessel, Aetinape, in a letter to the Spanish government complained of at least twelve incidents in the last few months and the fact that to avoid the Argentine harassment, fishing vessels heading to Montevideo to unload and replenish provisions and fuel are forced to long detours, costly in time and money.
Likewise some have complained that they were intercepted when approaching the port of Montevideo in the River Plate, which is shared by Argentina and Uruguay.
In reply to a similar letter, the Argentine embassy in Madrid admitted vessels were being intercepted and argued that this was because those Spanish vessels or with ‘Spanish capital’ were “illegally fishing” in Argentine waters, spelt out clearly by stating that “Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and adjoining maritime spaces are integral part of Argentine territory”.
For Argentina the Spanish fishing vessels are committing a double offence, “illegally fishing in Argentine waters” (with the wrong licence issued by the Falklands government) and violating a “legal” blockade of sea channels to the Falklands.
As part of that ‘blockade’ policy President Cristina Fernandez addressing the UN General Assembly last September threatened to suspend the Falklands air link with Chile, set up in a deal between the UK and Argentina in 1999, unless Britain enters talks about the sovereignty of the Islands.
Last Saturday, CELAC, a newly formed block of South American and Caribbean countries in its final resolution, specifically backed Argentina’s claim to the Falklands/Malvinas Islands and called for UK/Argentina sovereignty talks.
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“innocent passage ” my *ss! That's not innocent passage, that's stealing other country's resources.
Britain heard no protest between 1849 and 1888 and then nothing until the 1950's. Moaning to another country, or the Postal Union, or whoever doesn't count. Official protests to the country concerned do.
As for the River Plate belonging to South America, well half of it belongs to Uruguay and that was where the vessels were heading. Bugger all to do with Argentina.
But then Argentina has never been very good at following the rules that didn't suit it.
pelotudoRED: No aquiescence from Argentina....
It can be argued that the conditions for acquisition of a title by prescription were not satisfied because of Argentina's continued protests at the British occupation from 1833 to the present day. Furthermore, in 1884 Argentina offered to take the case to arbitration. Britain refused. This further strengthens the case against a British title by prescription.
The one point in favour of the British case is the gap between 1849 and 1884. During those 35 years no protest occurred, but Argentina stressed that silence should not be taken to mean abandonment of the claim.
It is possible that thirty-five years is long enough to allow the conclusion that Argentina had acquiesced in British possession and therefore Britain had acquired the title by prescription. The length of time required for acquiescence has never been determined by a tribunal, but most writers on international law suggest that fifty years or more without interruption are required for the acquisition of title by prescription to occur.
In summary, the British claim to sovereignty over the Falklands on the basis of prescription is rather tenuous. It assumes first of all that prescription is recognized as a principle in international law, an issue which is far from settled. Even if it was recognized, it is unlikely Britain would be able to show that Argentina had acquiesced in its occupation of the Falklands and hence unlikely that Britain could have acquired the title by prescription.
www.malvinasonline.com.ar/index.php/derecho-internacional/articulos/57-the-british-resort-to-force.html
Why are you not hassling those Korean jiggers heading to Brazil or those oil drilling supply ships?
This episode kind of shows how pathetic you really are. You are still unwilling to go down a legal or military route (your only two options). About time to grow a spine and do something that will achieve your apparent aims.
I agree, it would be illegal for Britain to sell licences for those waters, the Falkland Islands can do though, it's legal and we'll continue to do so. British Overseas Territories are a a bugger aren't they?
;-p
PROVE IT !
“ 1884 Argentina offered to take the case to arbitration. Britain ”
PROVE IT
You won't be able to, of course. The only discourse that could be interpreted as an invitation to arbitration was a response by Argentina to a British protest.
1885 – January 2nd, in a response to the British protest, Foreign Minister Ortiz suggests that, “ ... the postponed discussion be reopened again… and resolved by the friendly means and law that today civilized nations adopt to solve questions of this type .. ”
Not very clear. Now when, in 1955 WE invited Argentina to the ICJ we did it by placing the papers before the court. Easy to prove that !
The FIRST protest after 1849 was in 1888 -
1888 – January 20th, Foreign Minister Norberto Quirno Costa protests against Britain's possession of the Falkland Islands in a letter addressed to the British Minister, Francis Packenham, in Buenos Aires: “ The Argentine Government maintains its protest with respect to the illegitimate occupation of the Malvinas Islands ; it does not abandon, and never will abandon, its rights to these territories ; ”
A Permanent Court of Arbitration was founded in 1899 but Argentina didn't apply for the case to be taken there.
How about 1914 ??
December 23rd, British Ambassador, Sir Reginald Tower, has a conversation with Argentina's Foreign Minister, Jose Murature, in which the Argentine Minister comments that his country has not made any protest over the issue of the Falklands since 1888.“
Oh dear ... that doesn't help you, does it!
1933 - March 16th, the Argentine Government protest the issue of the Falklands stamps to the International Postal Union, stating that the stamps will not be recognised in Argentina”
THE POSTAL UNION ?? !!
Come on Marv - produce some EVIDENCE !
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They can't & they won't. As simple as that.
They are just hoping that something, ANYTHING, will happen to make Britain say “ok lads, here are the lslands, help yourself”
Of course that isn't going to happen. Tough luck, amigos.
You folks can NEVER can get facts correct can you!! I have never ever heard of UK issuing ANY fishing licences in the area - nor hydrocarbon licences either come to think of it!
Why is your Govt not taking the UK to the International Court? Seems the sensible thing to do to someone who you say is breaking International Law?
General Assembly
GA/COL/3225
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Department of Public Information • News and Media Division • New York
Special Committee on Decolonization
6th & 7th Meetings (AM & PM)
Special Committee on Decolonization Adopts Draft on Falkland Islands (Malvinas),
Requesting Argentina, United Kingdom to Resume Talks as Soon as Possible
‘Committee of 24’ Also Forwards Three Traditional Texts in Support
Of Decolonization Declaration to General Assembly; Hears Petitioners from Guam
In a busy day that kept issues of territorial disputes at the forefront, the Special Committee on Decolonization today adopted a consensus resolution reiterating that the way to end the “special and particular” colonial situation in the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) was through the peaceful, negotiated settlement of the sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the United Kingdom.
www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/gacol3225.doc.htm
maybe the pirat summer didn't get his queen's memo, self determination is is possible in UK. Argentina has no rights to determine UK policy, neither does UK ilegal aliens in Agentina's sea. end the illegal occupation of Islas Malvinas Argentina, simple.
@2 If Argies are complaining to Argies, as you suggest, it doesn't surprise me that nobody is listening. Not that anybody else would either... Wake up to yourself, dickhead!
l am always relaxed.But you still won't get OUR Falklands.
Poor guys, they are in the middle of a conflict and they are paying the cost, kelpers are nice people so they will give them a fine discount.
Would love to see what your muppet argentina navy and their rowing boats will do then. By the way their is no such thing as a legal blockade as all blockades that are not sanctioned by the UN are illegal and therefore an act of war. So do not be surprised if the UK turns round and calls upon the UN and its Nato Allies, whom are under treaty to defend Nato allies that are attacked by hostile countries (and the blockade is an attack on british sovereingty), and for britian and its allies to declare war on Argentina.
Jesus you dumbs idiots do not even realise your on the verge of war, and its your dumb arse governement that is pushing you towards war. We don't want war, but by god we will fight and put argentina back 100 years if war does happen. How does the sounds of bombs and missles expolding over argentine cities on a daily/nightly basis wiping out your countries infastructure, power grid, water supply, governemt buildings, manufacturing and industrial sectors sound. You guys do not even realise what the consquences you will face after we have kicked your arses will be, nor do you realise just how much and how long you will suffer long after the war is over. Hell if war is what you want, then rest assured, by the end of it britian and nato allies will be in full control of argentina, either that or we just bomb the crap out of you and leave you to be the next somalia. Then we can call you pirates then, oh how the tables will turn lol. You ignorant, blind and dumb argentine fools.
“Despite Britain's military success, the Falklands/Malvinas dispute remains unresolved.”
It won´t be resolved as long as the UK keeps denying the conflict.
Believing they can put a full stop ´cos they won the war is stupid, like Ms Kirchner said.
Well, there´s clearly no stop anywhere... Stop being stupid!
And the conflict still persists not only because of argentinian´s stubborness and refusal to quit its legimtimate claims... The world is wants the dispute to be settled for once and for all.... the whole world except the pirat family (commonwealth).
blockade??' where?? show us how many cruises arrived last year, this year etc
show us the drilling platforms photos, how many or are they photoshop, unreal??
show us your 4x4 how do they get there?? and the menu of your hotels??
what blockade??
and nobody is provocating nothing, get facts....there is a decree, it is legal here. we dennounced you when making militar exercises without previous advice (and that was a very provocative action, dont you think?). do the same.
and why exagerating so much this of spain vessels, in 28 of nov there was published here the same report and nobody made so much noise.
are you needing a little of distraction in your mainland with the penguins........in Arg there is no much noise with this, no much no, nothing of noise, less with your prince, nobody cares.
Oh coffeeboy2 and his dreams of war. Yep, typical keyboard warrior and chav.
Deluded fools. HA!
As for the decree, well its illegal as you do not have recongnise sovereingty of the islands the UK does have recongnised sovereingty of the islands, all you have is a disputed claim over the islands nothing more, so the decree is illegal under international law and under the convention of the law of the sea.
As for the blockade, please stop being a dumb shit trying to insult our intelligence by denying the bloackade exists when your own government admits to it, though they wrongly call it a legal bloackade which it is not as it is not sanctioned by the UN. Don't believe me when i say your contry admit to it, will i suggest you read the article where it says ”For Argentina the Spanish fishing vessels are committing a double offence, “illegally fishing in Argentine waters” (with the wrong licence issued by the Falklands government) and violating a “legal” blockade of sea channels to the Falklands.”
And also read the other aritcle on here, where argentina confirms they are intercepting spanish fishing vessels - en.mercopress.com/2011/11/28/argentina-confirms-high-seas-boarding-of-spanish-fleet-fishing-in-falklands. You can not deny what your government has already admitted to you idiot.
you say you have sovereignity over the islands, but because YOU say it that doesnt mean it is real. it is in dispute at the UN.
what words uses the writer of the article, it is its problem, not mine.
arg intercepted spanish vessels to advise of the existance of the decree. and so?? they can pass, ask authorization next time.
we have peace in this region and excellent relations with other countries of the region. and will continue so, we dont need a conflict either want it.
Do you really think that Spain will send the Armada to protect vessels fishing with Malvinas flag?
Spain will send diplomats to London. They are cheaper.
Hey mateboy2: Why do you care what Argentina does??
We did not break any rule......
You do not like it?//Well Argentina did not like it in 1833 and we were compaining since then.....
War????uk will loose it,almost did in 1982......
Well...my american fighting spirit tells me.....“if I were the Argentinean president”, I would have sent those oil rigs to the the bottom of the sea long time ago!
Fortunately, I am not!
”let the Falklands people live in peace!!!
Cheers!
www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml
You will note that the document is published by the United Nations. The United Nations publishes a document showing that the UN recognises that the United Kingdom is the legal administration of the Falkland Islands.
There is NO dispute at the UN. If you think there is, it is because you don't understand how the world works.
Let's see if I can help you. I am sure that you have a list of UN resolutions relating to the Falkland Islands. So alongside that list write down who or what passed those resolutions.
Now here's the really good bit. You're going to love this. ALL resolutions of the United Nations General Assembly are non-binding. No UN member can be required to take action in response to a General Assembly resolution. If your list is complete it will include UN Security Council resolutions 502 and 505. Security Council resolutions ARE binding on UN members. And what action did your pitiful country take in response to resolution 502? The resolution called for an immediate cessation of hostilities and complete withdrawal of Argentine forces. It carried right on with its invasion and occupation.
So don't bother us by whittering about UN resolutions. You only notice the ones that suit you.
Argentina's territorial waters extend 12 nautical miles from the low-water baseline. It is a breach of international law to interfere with freedom of navigation beyond that point. So how many breaches of international law have you managed so far? Do what you like within those 12 nautical miles. Once outside that limit.......? Well, for the moment, you are only messing around with Spain. Wouldn't mess with a British or Falklands-flagged vessel. To do so would be an act of war. And you know that you're useless at that. Remember what three torpedos did to your tin can in '82? And here's a tip. Your frigates are smaller than ours. Frigates are the biggest you have!
You can always tell because of the hysteria, the tears of frustration and the length of the posts.
It is all so pathetic that Peronistas think they can force the UK people who have balls between their legs into being afraid of a bunch of wannabee eunuch gangsters.
32 malen (#) 'you are going to war with yourselves, arg wont'
You bet Argentina won't: they dare not because they will have their arses kicked again! This time however it will be for real and we won't stop in the Falklands (there are no Malvinas).
your own friend post it, little numbers of link of comment 36
www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=ST/CS/SER.A/42
www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2010/gacol3212.doc.htm
In 1982 you attacked an Island of sheep farmers with 12000 men. What was the old saying from Galtieri “Once we are on the Islands they will never get us off” well even the U.S. Navy considered a successful counter-invasion by the British to be 'a military impossibility' given the size of the Argentine force, the defences they put in place & the hostile waters around the Islands.
Now its 2011 & it would be impossible for any invasion force to get near the islands. The Military base will know you are coming,your invasion force will get nailed by Subs, Ships, & Jets before it even gets to the Islands. The defense forces on the Island have more firepower than your entire military & can be reinforced with extra typhoons & troops within 24 hours. Do you really think Argentina who's forces have been seriously depleted over the years has any chance of even launching an invasion let alone a successful one.
The Peronist party was based on Mussolini's fascist model; Juan was a great admirer. Thus the current plan is “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
And it works very well on a lot of Argentines who believe the lies. Their problem is that is does not work well on the free-thinking, democratic governments they actually need to believe the lies.
I read one of your links and the Argentine representatives at the UN in 2010 called GUILLERMO RAIMUNDO CLIFTON said “In ”the current inhabitants [of the Falkland Islands] were “beneficiaries” of colonialism”. Didnt Argentina benefit from the European (most specifically Spanish) colonisation of South America? Umm....it most certainly did! It is truly laughable how twisted and hypocritical the Argentine arguement is. Its outrageous! And then add in the another one of Argentina's arguements over the Falklands that they “inherited” the Falklands from Spain. Spain! The colonisers of South America.
Oh the hypocrisy!
Honestly, you should hear the jokes your neighbours make about you.
Not allowing ships enter Uruguayan and Brazilian ports is just like talking?
I´ve heared those jokes many times. Some are really funny. What do they have to do with this anyway?
37 ChrisR
41 ElaineB
They have a total ignorance and lack of Peronism. We need to understand the principles of social justice, economic independence and political sovereignty. Read a little the following link and you will realize:
www.pj.org.ar/
36 Conqueror
Now here's the really good. You'll love this. All resolutions of the UN General Assembly are not binding.
You are profoundly mistaken. I read the same Link and the fact that is managed, does not mean that they are sovereign. It is more said in an asterisk refer to:
Falkland Islands (Malvinas) 4: 4. A dispute exists between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over the Falkland Islands (Malvinas). (See ST/CS/SER.A/42)
Please do not confuse or (lie) about this. It is clear that decisions are made to meet them, especially decolonization committee of the UN.
Just observe the UN resolutions and the 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37 / 9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39 / 6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25)
42 M_of_FI
Raimundi Guillermo said the strict truth. Please hypocrisy is the UK, by not complying with UN resolutions. Is your policy on 500 years of colonial history. Please take a few minutes to read these link-minded and mean:
www.cuestionmalvinas.com.ar
observatoriomalvinasunla.blogspot.com/
47 you again trying to subjugate people under your own point of view? The islands are British, and there's nothing CFK can about it.
What are you saying xbox.whatever you want.Troll? Oh yes,a troller
UK who??
Long Live the Falklands
should that not be
DR WHO ?
“UK protests to Argentina the interception of illegal licensed fishing vessels”
UK who??
The UK (United Kingdom) created the largest and most succesful empire of all time. It's not covered in Argentine history books very well but you can find out more online. In Argentina the UK is called Reinos Unidos. They are one of the 5 permanant security council members of the UN.
We are called many things - British, the United Kingdom, the English! Plus a lot more :-)
We have been around a long while too - so we've learnt a thing or two.
We even have a little history with Argentine - falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/
“ … a most unequal competition between a heavyweight diplomatic machine which had been playing power politics on the world stage for more than four centuries, and a foreign ministry that could just about manage relations with a few of its Latin American neighbours” The Falklands War 1982 Duncan Anderson 2002,
Again you state the obvoise that we already know,
Argentina thinks she is above the law, and treats it like her bloggers, A joke,
you are showing the world how self deluded you are,
mmmmmmmmmmmmm
You are right, plenty of disgraceful examples of British imperialism around the World, on line and history books.
#63 Argentina is not above the law, Argentina can only inforce laws withing Argentina and Islas Malvinas is still part of Argentina, it might even be in the constitution.
Shame on Argentina
What goes around, comes around
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1) Are Prat and Morecrap related - very closely; and living proof that incest is not a good idea?
2) Is it possible for two individuals to share the same brain cell or would MoreCrap and Prat have to have one each ?
2) Is it possible for two individuals to share the same brain cell or would MoreCrap and Prat have to have one each ?
Mine are better.
What do you get between a breed of a chimp and an orangutan?
you get a pelotudored and a britton!
And how have the Breton people of Brittany offended you ?
l think Marvins an oxygen thief.
) Are Prat and Morecrap related - very closely; and living proof that incest is not a good idea?
2) Is it possible for two individuals to share the same brain cell or would MoreCrap and Prat have to have one each ?
Mine are better.
What do you get between a breed of a chimp and an orangutan?
you get a pelotudored and a britton!
- A Pelotudered AND a Britton. wow that's hilarious. Was that in a cracker?
Did you know that if you get married in Argentina the law say's that you have to get a blood test first to make sure neither party have any illness's and also to prove that they are not related. I asked why and it was because of the high rate of siblings marrying each other.
#69 1) incest by nature would allows for a child to know who mom and dad is, unlike a poor SOB.
2) I think you just descrived how brain cells are distributed among homoignorant in UK.
#70 relax man ! you can say anything you want because that is freedom of speech but do not insult the chimp nor the orangutan.
#72 I doubt bery much you are capable of thinking by yourself.
#73 if you live in Argentina for what you tell us I am sure you must be in Malvinas Argentina breding with your mom, dad and syster but that was not Argentina's foult, an interesting fact about the illegal alien inbread in Malvinas Argentina is that after 100 years the population are all still 90% british with 10% penguin mix, fortunatelly for british inbreads the population is making a strong comaback while the pendguins are going extinct. now for the big question, is incest by any national as relevant to this report as british petroleum polluting the seas and killing the fish ?? I think UK should pick the log out of their own eye if they are to see the lint in Argentina's eye.
Long Live the Falklands.
malvinas, argie, atlantis , none exists,
its just an illusion,?
FYI I live in Argentina. Not the Falklands. I have never visited the Islands but if the opportunity ever presents itself I would love to.
I am sorry to say that i come into contact with a lot of this inbreeding in Argentina. I have a friend who works in a Hogar for the children who are born with disabilities and/ or are simple discarded because of the shame. The state does not help at all and the Hogar relies on donations. donations that are very few and far between. The way a people treats their disabled is a good gage I think of the level of civilization. One bowl of rice for breakfast/lunch and dinner is all they get. The conditions are to be honest, squalid. Yet this is a good Hogar. It is run by the catholic church and they do as good a job as possible.
Now go away and have some solo fun with yourself as i'm sure your single from what you have said.
It is obvious that inteligence is not abundant of the brits in the forum.About 40% of Argentina's population are italian or italian descent.....
Buena suerte en el hogar living.At least Argentina is not foolish like the uk to dedicate billions of pounds to defence,while a lot of people are jobless in hte uk.Just look how many brits leave uk for good...
The government in Argentina is probably doing a lot in the Social work....
Now, any luck getting that nuclear reaction from pisiing in the wind yet malviner? Yeah i didn't think so.
And is probably letting others do their social work
SOS Children in Argentina
www.soschildrensvillages.org.uk/sponsor-a-child/americas/argentina
Terrible !
Tell me Marv, what planet do you actually live on ??
Who cares about you mateboy2 and prickred???
Toilet paper as more value than your words..
Don't let him name a planet or Argentina will claim that too!
Did the Argies use toilet paper when they took a shit in Stanley post office?
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