Friday, December 9th 2011 - 06:17 UTC

Women to be allowed to server in Royal Navy submarines; first expected end of 2013

Women are to be allowed to serve in submarines for the first time in the Royal Navy’s history the Secretary of State for Defence, Philip Hammond, announced on Wednesday. The decision comes following an 18-month review conducted by the Royal Navy looking at the legal, operational, health, social, technical, and financial issues of allowing women to serve on submarines.

Female volunteers who will begin training next year for service in the Vanguard-class submarines

Women had previously been excluded from submariner roles due to concerns about higher levels of carbon dioxide in submarine atmosphere carrying risks to female health. But recent research by the Institute of Naval Medicine showed that these risks were unfounded and that there were no medical reasons for excluding women from service in submarines.

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond said: “I am pleased that women will now have the same opportunity to serve on board our submarines, carrying out vital tasks maintaining Britain’s defences around the clock, across the world.

“The Royal Navy has always been at the forefront of innovation, and this decision represents another step in its distinguished tradition of recognising the contribution of its people and making the very best use of the talent from which it can recruit.”

The first female submariners are expected to take up their posts towards the end of 2013. Initially this will be a small number of female officers, volunteers who will begin training next year for service in the Vanguard-class of Trident submarines. The first female ratings will be recruited and trained from 2014.

Women will also be able to serve in Astute-class submarines from 2016 when the necessary modifications to on-board accommodation have been made.

Second Sea Lord, Vice Admiral Charles Montgomery, said “Our primary objective in the Royal Navy is maintaining our operational effectiveness both now and in the future. This carefully considered decision will allow the Submarine Service to draw on the widest range of talent and skills of our people - those in service and those yet to join. It will therefore enable us to further consolidate our operational success. And it will give our women the same opportunities as men to enjoy a fulfilling and rewarding career in the Submarine Service.”

Currently, more than nine percent of Royal Navy personnel are female, approximately 3,420. Women have been serving on board Royal Navy ships since 1990.
 

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1 Teaboy2 (#) Dec 09th, 2011 - 10:38 am Report abuse
Love the spelling mistake in the articles title. Now i do not normally pick on spelling or grammer mistakes myself due to myself being dsylexic, and therefore prone to spelling mistakes and poor grammer. But i would have thought a professional news site would have prove read the article before publishing it.

As for the article itself, well its about time women were treated equally and allowed to serve on submarines like they are allowed to serve and even command surface vessels.

For the record its is “Serve” not “Server” unless you think women are going to act on board as somekind of computer networking device.
2 ElaineB (#) Dec 09th, 2011 - 01:25 pm Report abuse
I think the original reasons women were not allowed to be submariners was valid on health grounds but medical research moves on. They will still have to take pregnancy tests before being allowed to serve on submarines.

Another development is the larger submarines have beds for all of the crew, so no need for hot-bedding, which takes on a whole new meaning with mixed crews.
3 wangito (#) Dec 09th, 2011 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
Teaboy,
Proofreading is NOT Merco-Press strongest point. It looks as if they simply do not perform it.
4 Teaboy2 (#) Dec 09th, 2011 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
@3 your probably right their, though it does not help me when am trying to read the words lol
5 briton (#) Dec 09th, 2011 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
Its going to be very interesting , this,
you are putting men and women on a tin can, under water for up to six months, and expect them to play ludo,

now what was the result of women on ships, do you remember the no touch rules,
And how many pregnant woman have their been on R/N ships,
,,,,,
just an interesting thought, if the inevitable happens, I take it they will have the facilities to deliver babies on board, just in case, and a cresh perhaps, some toys for them to play with, until you reach land,
YES very interesting, still the future will tell.
Just a humble thought .
6 Rufus (#) Dec 09th, 2011 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
Elaine, I think the reasoning was to do with the risk of contaminants that might affect a foetus if (as briton puts it) the inevitable happens.

Personally speaking I'd regard being stuck in a big tin tube surrounded by enough water pressure to mean that if it all went pear shaped they'd be recovering what was left with a tea strainer as a good enough reason to not be on submarines, however whatever floats (or in this case submerges) your boat...
7 zethe (#) Dec 09th, 2011 - 07:49 pm Report abuse
ElaineB: There were many reasons, firstly it was because the rule was, well - old. Back when the rule first came out doctors said it may have effects on women's health like the ability to have children. There were also other reasons which today will also pose a problem. the one or two women on that sub out there for six months at a time surrounded by 100 men, are quite likely to become pregnant, They have no access to the outside world.

Personally i think it's great women are allowed to serve on subs. Although i don't agree with women being able to serve on the front line. Not because i believe women aren't capable of it. I think the film G.I jane explained it well, a woman in a combat situation can often make the rest of her(male) squad weaker. Even though she could be the toughest of them all.
8 briton (#) Dec 09th, 2011 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
6 Rufus
7 zethe
fair comments,
do you think its poss for a all womens sub, or with just a very few men,
9 ElaineB (#) Dec 10th, 2011 - 12:24 pm Report abuse
I am not convinced that just because a woman is surrounded by men she will be compelled to sleep with at least one of them. Based on that theory an awful lot of submariners must be shagging. And even if the women did, there is perfectly good protection to prevent pregnancy. (I do remember the 'scandals' reported when women were first allowed to go to sea).

Yes there would be a possible risk to the foetus so pregnancy tests should be compulsory. I have not heard anyone complain about this precaution.

It will be interesting to see how the 'no touching' rule works in confined spaces. Talking of which, I cannot imagine ever being willing to live and work in such conditions. I once had a tour of an old sub - The Ocelot? - and it was incredibly claustrophobic. And foolishly I wore a dress that day. : )
10 zethe (#) Dec 10th, 2011 - 02:36 pm Report abuse
“I am not convinced that just because a woman is surrounded by men she will be compelled to sleep with at least one of them.”

100 females last year got sent home from Afghanistan. There are only 700 females out there. It happens.

The main problem is that if for instance a woman does become pregnant and shes on a trident sub, that sub has to come home.
11 briton (#) Dec 10th, 2011 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
perhaps there should be a red line,
its a difficult problem,

how do the israilies get arround it, i hear they have lots of woman in their services,
just a thought .
12 Rufus (#) Dec 13th, 2011 - 09:22 am Report abuse
I don't think the Israeli Navy has women on submarines. They can serve anywhere else.

The navies of Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Australia, Canada and Spain all allow women to serve on submarines though.

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