Wednesday, December 14th 2011 - 04:14 UTC

Latam “progressive” countries openly supported tyrants despised by ”Arab Spring”

The so called ‘progressive’ Latin American governments not only did they not support the revolution wave later known as the “Arab Spring” but openly and repeatedly backed the regimes against which the peoples of those countries rebelled.

Nicaragua’s Daniel Ortega and Venezuela’s Chavez in the first line

Venezuela and Nicaragua were the most explicit in defending first Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi and later Syrian president Bachar el Asad together with Cuba, Ecuador and Bolivia in a similar position maybe less intense, while Brazil kept a clear more moderate profile.

Last February Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega called Gaddafi on the phone to express “the solidarity from the people of Nicaragua to all the people of Libya” and to him personally “the solidarity from the Sandinista Nicaraguans” wishing that “may God want the situation to be solved and over the soonest possible”.

“He is again fighting a great battle, how many battles has Gaddafi had to face? Said Ortega who said the Libyan leader was looking for a ‘dialogue solution’ so as to defend the unity of the nation and the country does not disintegrate, and the country does not fall into anarchy”.

Ten months later in the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States, CELAC, summit in Caracas, Venezuela, Ortega condemned the “brutal attacks” from the empires that are tyrants of the planet”, which ganged together and went after Libya, the north of Africa, with all their might, simply trying to destroy a project of African unity”.

Fidel Castro last February said that “any honest person will always be against any form of injustice that is committed with any people of the world, and the worst of all at this moment, would be to keep silent before the horrendous crime that NATO is preparing to commit against the Libyan people”.

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1 xbarilox (#) Dec 14th, 2011 - 05:03 am Report abuse
what a sh*tty article Mercopess. written by an idiot, really. the intentions are so explicit that it's laughable hahaha

UK special relations with Lybia

ah, friendship, what would our lives be without our very special friends???
2 Redhoyt (#) Dec 14th, 2011 - 07:57 am Report abuse
Can't understand why Mercopress is surprised ... after all, with the exception of Uruguay, there isn't another democracy in south America.

Hardly surprising that they ally themselves with other tin pot dictatorships !
3 malen (#) Dec 14th, 2011 - 09:38 am Report abuse
we live in really democracy
who chooses your lords and for how long????
you choose indirectly for president and we directly from peoples vote
and for libya, solo se puede esperar lo que sembraron los extranjeros con violencia, más violencia, they are in chaos and civil war, not better with invasions nobody gets better,desintegration, chaos, violence, etc
4 stick up your junta (#) Dec 14th, 2011 - 09:57 am Report abuse
they are in chaos and civil war, not better with invasions nobody gets better,desintegration, chaos, violence, etc

What Invasion, shit for brains?
5 Redhoyt (#) Dec 14th, 2011 - 11:55 am Report abuse
We have a President ! Wow, when did that change??

Argentina is listed as a Flawed Democracy - Flawed !

You want to do some research Mad'un !
6 malen (#) Dec 14th, 2011 - 12:40 pm Report abuse
talk about the lords, how is the system of election, how much their period lasts, etc LORDTonton
and about the royal decree, that is above your prime minister (its not president)and commons cammara decission
who says we are a flawed democracy, western nations makes the rank??
you also dont have a constitution
7 Redhoyt (#) Dec 14th, 2011 - 12:55 pm Report abuse
Of course we do - it's just unwritten. No need for an Amendment every 5 minutes that way :-)
8 malen (#) Dec 14th, 2011 - 01:14 pm Report abuse
talk about the lords, I notice you escape from doing so. 2 times and very specific questions.
and if its unwritten, it means its like the time of juglars sth that people pass talking form generation to generation.........?? if its unwritten doesnt exist.
9 Rob the argentine (#) Dec 14th, 2011 - 02:25 pm Report abuse
I see most of argies don't understand others countries have, and want to have, different systems of government. In the other hand how we can call “democratic” a government where they rule only for their supporters in disregard of the other people, also using threats and strike groups as “la Campora” and others.
10 Redhoyt (#) Dec 14th, 2011 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
Well done Mad'un - if its not written there won't be a document. Well spotted.

The Royal family are figureheads only. The prime Minister is the political head of the country. Has the same powers of your President, but we try not to let them get too cocky with fancy titles.

The House of Lords is full of appointees who are supposed to get the job because they are useful in some way. Not many heredities now, but probably too many political appointments. Well it's a way of Prime Ministers ditching the older pain in the necks from their parties, and putting them somewhere that they cannot cause any grief.

The system works too. Has done for a while now.

I won't vote for an elected 2nd Chamber ... one lot of politicians is enough. The Lords ultimately have to do as they are told - although I sometimes wonder if we didn't get that the wrong way around :-)
11 malen (#) Dec 14th, 2011 - 04:07 pm Report abuse
would you call those appointments democratics??
Im not saying whether it works or not, just why you would be considered a better democracy?? There are three kinds of lords, the lords pear of the realm (hereditated) life peers (for the term of theirs lifes) and the spiritual pairs.
the royal family are figureheads only. The prime minister is the political head of the country. Well, well, no.
the political gov. and the house of commons both elective, excercises a limited power, since they can be dissolved by letters patents (royal decree) and also its decissions can be vetoes by the Crown, who by this means vetoes bugs of the same court supreme of justice. The crown can declare war, peace, or negotiate alliances whithout prior consultation with another agency. The unilateral desire real is the highest law in the nation.
and the historical collections of the patent letters is intended to be shown like your constitution (but not emanates from a congress or assembly).
according to my research.
12 Yuleno (#) Dec 14th, 2011 - 05:03 pm Report abuse
Exactly malen.each Parliment has to present it's programme to the queen for approval.Its always accepted because it has been agreed behind closed doors before it is presented.If the queen is a figurehead,who agrees the programme needs answering.Surprise surprise it's the ruling class who Redhoyt & rob the inglishman unwittingly support.They think the ruling class supports them and they are not even family
How long did the Brits & others support the Arab regimes. A long time.And why did they bring them down.They didn't.Not in tunisia not in Egypt,not in Yemen.They only entered the arena to protect their own interests and prevent Islamic governments.That issue,Islamic gvt's , is still at issue.human rights includes religious freedom.
13 briton (#) Dec 14th, 2011 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
You can always tell the indoctrinated, by their indoctrinated answers

Envy and jealousy, that’s all it is,
Actually im surprised the argentine government has not protested to the British government, for restoring HMS VICTORY, as a provocative act.

Another victorious thought .

14 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 14th, 2011 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
Brasil might not be a perfect democracy, but it's OUR democracy.

There is much right-leaning done in the Continent masquerading as left-wing governments; and, frankly, no ruling party/coalition wants to encourage by support elsewhere, a Spring on their national streets.
15 Yuleno (#) Dec 14th, 2011 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
You don't think true democracy is in the streets Geoff,I suppose.The democracy that is available in a democracy that campaigns saying one thing but then makes excuses that it does something different because of external factors is not a particularly true democracy.One that responds to events which it could not influence and that require it to do the opposite of what it campaign on is a perversion of democracy.If people want an Islamic state and they are elected they would be entitled to name themselves as The Democratic Islamic Republic of ......., wouldn't it
#13 you sound very repetitive at times.Just an idea.
16 briton (#) Dec 15th, 2011 - 12:52 am Report abuse
have you ever seen the ship.
ive been on board a few times, a very nice ship,
and its still on the active service list.
[do you have any ships that are over two hundred years old, ]
17 Redhoyt (#) Dec 15th, 2011 - 02:15 am Report abuse
The Quens has a ceremonial role only, and no great power regardless of what 'appears' to be the case.

But you idiots will never understand it - which coming from a country listed as a flawed democracy while the UK has full democracy status is quite funny.

I suggest you start here -
18 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 15th, 2011 - 11:28 am Report abuse
Yul 15,
Agree with your main proposition:
“No more hopelessly enslaved is the population that believes it is free” Zeitgeist site.
. . . . .
Democratic ideas can be expressed on the street, anarchistic ideas also, support for democratic dictators and support for autocratic dictators.

'True democracy' is one of those things that require a democratic structure to facilitate its 'true democratic expression'.
This is not a street thing because it is defined by the types of organisation not found in the loose street structures.

Happy to think about this further if you think I am wrong.
19 Yuleno (#) Dec 15th, 2011 - 02:12 pm Report abuse
Geoff 18.I am ok with were you are coming from.What I am highlighting is 2 things
1 True democracy(I think is unobtainable)is not found anywhere that I know of currently.
2 Some posters here are very rigid and will attack Argentina on every issue(mercosur appear to know that and it is reflected in the posts) and defend the UK on every issue.Now,the history of the UK is a relatively long one.They had a Protestant spring in the 17th century that established the political system currently in use.Of course there have been amendments but I dont I think it is the model of democracy.As was pointed out,there is an unelected assembly which needs to be adequately(!) explained.
20 briton (#) Dec 15th, 2011 - 02:14 pm Report abuse
there is an unelected assembly
21 malen (#) Dec 15th, 2011 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
redhoyt according to your wikipedia sources, the Crown remains the fountin which ULTIMATE EXECUTIVE POWER over government lies.
2) The crown according to your source can declare a war (see the functions) allies, etc. Thinking (not repeating like parrot) a little I find the crown has the same power 500 years ago and isnt reduce to ceremonial.
Any way im not questioning your form of government, its not better. Republicas i find more representative.
22 briton (#) Dec 15th, 2011 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
read a bit more,
the answers will get better,
23 Sergio Vega (#) Dec 16th, 2011 - 02:00 am Report abuse
The present article´s tittle must be changed to “anti - progressive countries” if you search about their perfomance in all order of matters....the “progressive countries” in LATAM are Mexico, Colombia and Chile.....and Uruguay is not a real democracy (corruption, etc)....
19@ Why do you think that there is a plot against Argentina ??? Maybe it's what you deserve considering your behaviour within LATAM and world context ......Think about......Sometimes the majority can be right !!!!
24 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 16th, 2011 - 08:57 am Report abuse
I guess, Sergio, that the countries that consider themselves to be 'socially progressive' are the same countries that are 'developmentally regressive'.

On balance they would be 'static', 'neutral' or 'scenescent'.
Big Brasil, for instance, is a patchwork of static, developed, and 'progressive'.
But for the 'Bolivarian'/Chavezian nations, it would be churlish, but true, to call them scenescent.
25 Yuleno (#) Dec 16th, 2011 - 09:54 am Report abuse
19# I do not think there is a plot against Argentina.If I said anything along those lines I fail to see it.I think I said that their was Apparent that some posters were rigid in their criticisms of Argentina and the converse with the UK.
Have you read my comment with that kind of rigidity or perhaps you can point out from where you inferred it.
Geoff you are being humorous,aren't you?
26 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 16th, 2011 - 05:37 pm Report abuse
Hi, Yul.
. . . a bit humerous, a bit offensive, a bit self-evident
- it all depends on where your predjudices are located ;-)
27 Yuleno (#) Dec 16th, 2011 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
Yes yes geoff.Glad someone recognises prejudice is a word to describe something real.Others don't seem to think everyone has them in some aspects ;-/

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