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Argentine celebrates US recognition of “de facto UK administration of Malvinas”
Argentina celebrated with ‘enthusiasm’ Washington’s statement that it recognizes the ‘de facto UK administration of the Falklands/Malvinas’ but takes no position regarding sovereignty and calls on both sides to dialogue, said Foreign Affairs minister Hector Timerman. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesTWIMC
Jan 21st, 2012 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0”We recognize de facto United Kingdom administration of the islands but take no position regarding sovereignty.”
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/01/182294.htm
Wait a minute……………. Did those Yanks say DE FACTO?
DE FACTO …….. In law, it often means “in practice but not necessarily ordained by law” or “in practice or actuality, but not officially established.” It is commonly used in contrast to de jure (which means “concerning the law”) when referring to matters of law, governance, or technique …………..
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/01/182294.htm
What can I say?
Yet another nail in Britain’s diplomatic coffin in the South Atlantic……
Chuckle chuckle®
Have you gone mad Think?
Jan 21st, 2012 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0The US has not changed its position one iota in the last 50 years.
It's official position is exactly as it says above.
Its unofficial position has always been something else - usually dictated by the circumstances.
You know this as well as I do!
Early onset senility, old'un ??
Has this not been the US stance for years, and was the stance before, during and after 1982.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0US oil company Anadarkdo are said to be one of the companies discussing a farm-in with RKH. I think you will find the US does not step in to stop an eventual deal.
One economic and business boot to keep Argentina from doing something it regrets. Think, your diplomacy is toothless, why not try a legal route as we know you are unable to take a military option?
(2) Mr. Lorton
Jan 21st, 2012 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know, as well as I do that the word “DE FACTO” is a NEW addition on the US official position.
A significant and noteworthy new addition, if I may add.
A welcomed and long overdued one.
PS:
Lad…. Judging by your own descriptions of your protuberant middle, your sore shoulder and the dismally bias you thoughtlessly apply on what could else be a good referential internet site; you are closer to senility than I am………….
Eat more veggies boy….. It may help………….
So, Think, the US are now brown-nosing CFK & co...
Jan 21st, 2012 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0(5) Dr. Carrizal
Jan 21st, 2012 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn’t have put it in that way…………....................
Have you gone mad Think?
Jan 21st, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0The US has not changed its position one iota in the last 50 years.
It's official position is exactly as it says above.
The uS will not support uk...That is the fact...They have burned them before..SA is too important for them..uk is a declining power...
US main interest is a “stable Argentina”, warns Falklands Task Force head
The head of the Royal Navy Task Force that recovered the Falkland Islands during the 1982 South Atlantic conflict has warned about UK defense cuts and underlined that United States has little interest in supporting Britain in any conflict since a stable Argentina is more important to the State Department.
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/06/13/us-main-interest-is-a-stable-argentina-warns-falklands-task-force-head
NO chance for uk this time.....uk HAS NOOO SUPPORT...
TWIMC......
Jan 21st, 2012 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shedding some more light about the political implications of the use of the term: - “De Facto” by the Yanks.............:
“A de facto government is a government wherein all the attributes of sovereignty have, by usurpation, been transferred from those who had been legally invested with them to others, who, sustained by a power above the forms of law, claim to act and do really act in their stead.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto
“bilateral issue”.. this is an articule about USA sitting on the fence...
Jan 21st, 2012 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The non recognition by the US State Department of the British sovereignty pretension over the Islands shows it is necessary for the UK to sit at the negotiation table with our country as promoted by the UN resolutions calling for a bilateral dialogue”, added Timerman.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0DOH but other Argie politicians are off message showing their true colours.
Argentine Interior Minister Florencio Randazzo confirmed that his country’s claim of sovereignty over the Falkland Islands is a State policy that cannot be waived.
Foreign Minister wants negotiations but Interior Minister claimsthere is nothing to be negotiated.
(9) Nightingale
Jan 21st, 2012 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0No Shelley, it isn't..................
Think, the cut & paste expert.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Waffle as much as you like, Think, BUT, There is NOTHING to negotiate.
By negotiations, you mean a timeframe for the handover of OUR lslands.
Sorry to burst your bubble but its not going to happen.
Try again, mate.
I think the UK government has made it perfectly clear that nothing will change. They are ready to defend the Falklands against any kind of attack and will uphold the islander's right to live in peace on their land.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The U.S. implicitly backed an OAS document calling for talks last June and again Tuesday at a conference in El Salvador. The latest declaration, which refers to the islands as the Malvinas Islands, calls for exploring ”all possible avenues towards a peaceful settlement of the dispute“ and resuming sovereignty negotiations ”as soon as possible.”
Jan 21st, 2012 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/10/obama-administration-backs-argentina-over-uk-on-falkland-dispute/#ixzz1k5Uf1yog
Didnt stop the yanks giving us them nice heat seeking side winders, when push came to shove :-)))))))
Jan 21st, 2012 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0A year after the Falklands war, American troops invaded the British Caribbean colony of Grenada to quell unrest following a coup. Jeane Kirkpatrick was later asked if she felt betrayed when Britain, having received American support during the Falklands campaign, opposed the American intervention in Grenada.
“Yes,” she replied. “Britain, I should point out, not only failed to support our operation in Grenada, she condemned it. I never suggested that we should condemn Britain's policy in the Falklands. My most extreme position was that we should remain publicly neutral, which was a very different, much warmer position, than that which Britain assumed towards us. But I didn't feel bitter.”
Bulldogs way of negotiating. Nice to meet you shit faces now what to you want to negotiate.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine shit faces. Hello Mr nice Bulldog, we would like our islands back.
Bulldog. WHAT you want something back that has never belonged to you? Scratching his head in bewilderment.
Argentine shit faces. Yes, please Mr nice Bulldog, we have told our people that they belong to Argentina.
Bulldog. Now that was a silly thing to do wasn't it, scratching his head in bewilderment again.
Argentine shit faces. Yes but it is what we do best we lie all the time we can’t help it, so Mr Nice Bulldog can you see your way clear to handing them over.
Bulldog. NO, now fuck of back to your silly economically broke lying country you twats and close the door on your way out. Oh and take that scumbag O gara with you
End of negotiations.
How’s that for a bit of diplomatic negotiations. I think we are far too nice when negotiating we should do it my way more often.
So our supercilious Argentine rabble “arouser” is now having an orgasm over a couple of words used by an unsuccessful wannabee president who still believes her husband never had sexual relations with “that” woman.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Titter Titter you tosser.
Guess what US, we dont care :D plus they have already agreed under the table to help us logistics wise , and support wise if anything g kicked off :) just like the last time....
Jan 21st, 2012 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0@18
Jan 21st, 2012 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0be nice thor, the US has way too much recent bad history with south american states (or their modern regimes) to get directly involved with this apart from politely asking both sides to settle it peacefully.
besides its not as if argentina is putting any actual pressure on Britain or the islanders yet, seeing the failure of the blockade and the failure to prevent the oil industry from getting started.
19 Braedon Not directly involved no, but similar as before in terms of logistics and supplies, like i stated. Also Obama will most likely be gone soon, and this whole 'Malvinas talk' will vanish with him.....
Jan 21st, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only the Argie could celebrate somebody reiterating a totally neutral position. Talk about desparate for good news.......
Jan 21st, 2012 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0No it isn't Think !
Jan 21st, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know that.
Surprised you don't!
Isn't it time we had some of those “live missile firing tests” the argies get so worked up over? But with Trident D5 missiles.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(22) Mr Lorton
Jan 21st, 2012 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The official, documented and longstanding U.S. position has been, until the 19’th January 2012:
”The U.S. recognizes the U.K.'s administration of the Falkland Islands……”
The wording of the U.S. official position changed, quite unambiguously, on the 19’th January 2012 when it became:
”We recognize de facto United Kingdom administration of the islands……”
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/01/182294.htm
As you always say dear Mr. Lorton….............
“If you have any evidence on the contrary, please have the courtesy of providing it………
Have a nice weekend
El Think
The 'UK's administration' is exactly the same as - de fact control.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know, I know it the world knows it - nice nails Think - not even a tc-tak!
getting old, old un!
Kelpers, let´s go! to another stolen land (OT)!
Jan 21st, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, on reflection, I believe that Think has a point!
Jan 21st, 2012 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After all, 'administrative' is reminiscent of little, men, working in little offices, writing down little things. Whereas 'De Facto' is an indication of the legal position since 1833. De facto leads where de jure follows !
Given enough time, 179 years for example, de facto can be regarded as de jure.
Administrative is a nothing - de fact is only one step away from de juere !
Think - maybe you're not as old as I thought :-)
British DE FACTO administration supported by the Falkland Islanders open and democratic choice to determine their own political status though a free association with Great Britain as a British Overseas Territory makes British administration DE JURE in accordance with UN Treaty Charter Article 73 and UN General Assembly Resolution 1514(XV), which covers the case of the Falkland Islands.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islanders exercise their democratic right to chose to be a British Overseas Territory, thus by this choice alone the British Administration is DE JURE - a conclusion the US State Department no doubt shares, but allows Argentina the time to discover by itself
The UN Treaty and International Law in accordance with the UN Treaty explicitly supports the Falkland Islanders. Argentina may well express its desire to overturn international law to suit its own narrow nationalistic political aspirations to forcibly annex the Falkland Islanders into the state of Argentina against the Falkland Islanders democratically expressed will but Argentina's argument to support its claims is weak and are unlikely to succeed at the UN ICJ, which is the proper UN organ to consider Argentina's claims
Kelpers, let´s go! to another stolen land
Jan 21st, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Patagonia?
(25) Mr. Lorton
Jan 21st, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I sense it must be already “Happy Hour” in Pattaya...........
No sense in trying to continue a serious dialogue........
Enjoy ;-)
Trying to flee Think?
Jan 21st, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After all, I'm now supporting your idea of a change in the US position.
De Facto being so much more a legal term, whereas 'administrative' isn't.
Damn Yankees eh? Cunning bunch!
But you are quite correct,on here there is very little 'sense' :-))
Regards :-)
No sense in trying to continue a serious dialogue
Jan 21st, 2012 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats think blown out of the water then
The US will ALWAYS support UK. We have been allied with them for 100+ years? When have we ever supported Argentina? Never.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK is batshit crazy even the Obama administration knows it plus Obama will be gone in a year anyway.
Think seem's to be getting a semi hard-on over the term de facto. Even quoting wikipedia, Let's have a look at his link, shall we?
Jan 21st, 2012 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The de facto boundaries of a country are defined by the area that its government is actually able to enforce its laws in, and to defend against encroachments by other countries that may also claim the same territory de jure. ”
And for the future:
“Similarly, a nation with de facto independence, like Somaliland, is one that is not recognized by other nations or by international bodies, even though it has its own government that exercises absolute control over its claimed territory.”
All in all think, you're getting a little bit over excited over a term he chose to use. The US position has unchanged. This was made blindingly obvious when he said “take no position regarding sovereignty”.
Old age might just be getting to you, Think.
(31) Mr Lorton
Jan 21st, 2012 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not fleeing lad…....... Just giving you the chance to pour yourself another drink :-)
Please read my posting No. (24) again, try to focus and compare :
A) ”The U.S. recognizes the U.K.'s administration of the Falkland Islands……”
Against:
B) ”We recognize de facto United Kingdom administration of the islands…..”
As you maybe still are able notice:
The word ”De Facto” has been incorporated. (Ask yourself why?)
The word ”Administration” has been preserved (You already praised its insignificance)
The word “Falklands” has evaporated. (Again, ask yourself why?)
Quite a lot of interesting changes in one short line of official U.S. policy text… don’t you think?
“This is a bilateral issue that needs to be worked out directly between the governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom. We encourage both parties to resolve their differences through dialogue in normal diplomatic channels”, said the official statement adding that “we recognize de facto United Kingdom administration of the Islands but take no position regarding sovereignty” that fence is well and truly stuck between the yanks arse cheeks..
Jan 21st, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think seem's to be getting a semi hard-on
Jan 21st, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think gets a lazy lob :-))))))))))))))
put me right off me lunch
I “think” the only nails in coffins we'll be seeing around here any time soon will be thinks. He's clearly past it.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think - I'm agreeing with you!
Jan 21st, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are right (and I have my doubts ;-), then the USA have stopped using a non-legal term (Administrative - on its own) and are now recognising a legal relationship between the UK and the Falklands. De Facto Administration.
Looks like a step forward to me !
Can't quite see how it advantages Argentina though :-)
Don't ya love those crazy Yankees !
Ps - been teetotal for a while now :-)
(39) Mr. Lorton
Jan 21st, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Teetotal…..... Must admit that I had to Goggle that word…
Good for you boy. Sorry for having implied otherwise…
You just sound more irritating today than usual...
It must be your “God Given Gift” alright ... :-)
Argentina must be the stupidest Government on earth if they think this forces the UK to do anything. All the USA is doing is understandably trying it's best to stay out of a situation that it has zero need to get involved with without damaging it's diplomatic relations. The only people who can force UK to do anything are the Islanders nobody else has any power here.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Snr Think
Jan 21st, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0De jure is an expression that means “concerning law” as contrasted with “de facto” which means ”concerning fact“. The terms de jure and de facto are used instead of ”in law“ and ”in practice“, respectively, when one is describing political or legal situations.
English is the de facto national language of the United States, with 82% of the population claiming it as a mother tongue, and some 96% claiming to speak it ”well“ or ”very well.” However, no official language exists at the federal level (underLaw). There have been several proposals to make English the national language in amendments to immigration reform bill, but none of these bills has become law with the amendment intact. The situation is quite varied at the state and territorial levels, with some states mirroring the federal policy of adopting no official language in a de jure capacity, others adopting English alone (by Law), others officially adopting English as well as local languages (by Law), and still others adopting a policy of de facto bilingualism (not officially adopted under Law).
In summary for Sr. Think: de facto is NOT the position under Law.
The Falklands (there are no Malvinas) are NOT Argentinean – they belong to Britain – Law.
Argentina- Brasil- Chile Uruguay- and 131 on 190 countryes- INCLUDING USA says the same: dialogue -
Jan 21st, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way: how much cost today one share of RockHopper after USA declarations :D
Regards
”We recognize de facto United Kingdom administration of the islands but take no position regarding sovereignty.”
Jan 21st, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now is official, USA Government called that“FIG” thing what really is, a DE FACTO Government.
London now have this support around the globe: ZERO.
Great job Cristina!
43 - The UN, the world and UN Resolution 2065 state that a peaceful peaceful solution should be found based on the UN Charter (respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination), Resolution 1514 (XV) (ALL peoples have the right to self- determination) ; and the interests of the population (they decide what their interests are)
Jan 21st, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina refuses to comply with this and only wants to discuss the handover of sovereignty of British territory against the wishes of the population - this won't happen.
44 Marcos Alejandro
Jan 21st, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK may well be a 'de facto' administration, but not 'government'. No-one said that apart from you. And Argentina is no kind of administration at all. Just a bogus claim, and anyone can can invent that.
There is very little support around the globe for either Argentina or the UK over this. No-one cares apart from us.
Really, you sometimes get a result of a sort 'We support a negotiated settlement blah blah blah' through your incessant bullying and whingeing, but it doesn't amount to anything at all.
TWIMC
This is a risky strategy for Argentina. You don't have many rolls of the dice left, and we have sufficient reserves to carry on and adapt to anything you might do.
You're going to end up looking like a spent force, and sooner rather than later is my prediction.
My advice is to back off while you still have a bit of dignity left, because you'll have to anyway.
@Eddie:
Jan 21st, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Porque mas de la mitad del planeta VE QUE HAY UNA DISPUTA DE SOBERANIA, even your main partner, USA, says “no position about sovereignity rigths” , and UK and malvinenses can´t see that?
More clear try whit WATER-
46 Monty: if we have no power on your ptetense territory: WHY WE ARE WRITING HERE?
WHY YOU CANNOT USE YOUR FLAG IN YOUR OWN COUNTRIES IN THE NEIGHBOUR?
WHY YOU CANNOT USE ANYMORE THE LAN FLIGTHS?
HOW IS POSSIBLE, IF YOU ARE THE OWNER, 400 million people say you have no rigths, you have and ilegal flag, you are IMPLANTED by colonial reasons by UK and is not legal your situation in Malvinas?
WHY?
NO seras vos la yeta Sara?
Regards!
46 Monty69
Jan 21st, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your advise.
My advise to your DE FACTO Government is to read the news from another source other than MercoStanley.
“The traditional British newspaper The Times, which usually reads the Queen Elizabeth II, published in a full page opinion column Timerman entitled “The UK has to talk now to end this nineteenth-century imperial hangover” with that of British journalist Simon Winchester”
http://www.acercandonaciones.com/en/diplomacia/instan-en-el-diario-que-lee-la-reina-a-dialogar-por-malvinas.html
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Jan 21st, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The white settlers’ dilemma
Jan 21st, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0by James Nielson, Buenos Aires Herald
So too have Argentine nationalists, a breed much given to collective self-pity. Instead of congratulating themselves for having inherited a major share of the spoils of empire (barely forty million people have the run of a fertile territory that is almost as big as the one inhabited by over a billion Indians), they complain bitterly because the British imperialists refuse to let them have some small, windswept, rain-soaked and chilly islands several hundred kilometres away from the mainland. Few would dream of visiting them, let alone live there, but then the dispute is not about Lebensraum, it is about symbolism. Argentine nationalists want to feel the world has played them a dirty trick and going on about the Falkland Islands, with the support of many other victims, real or imagined, of imperialist perfidy, is a splendid way of proving oneself hard done-by.
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Jan 21st, 2012 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0, Yet another nail in Britain’s diplomatic coffin in the South Atlantic……
Jan 21st, 2012 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spoken by another fool
Tickle tickle .
[PS]
The USA will do precisely nothing
Europeans will do the same
As will South American countries,
This is Argentina’s problem,
And Argentina will either
Stand up and be counted, back it up all the way
Or
Back off and be humiliated
But hey, as a 3rd world country what would you do .
[NOTHING ]
.
Rosarino - you can check the price of RKH if you want. My bet is that it will be exactly the same price as of close of trading on Friday. I also expect the share price to remain flat on Sunday as well.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think we will see the true colours of the USA when a company like Hess or Anadarko decide to take the Falkland Islands oil from the sea bed to the market.
Beef: my advice for you: sell asap..... la accion de RokHopper o cualquier petrolera valerá lo mismo que un pedo en una canasta cuando tengan que empezar a negociar-
Jan 21st, 2012 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And change for REPSOL YPF-
By the way: MONEY HAS NO COLORS-- :p
Regardsss---
beautiful photo! http://malvinasargentinas08.blogspot.com/2011/10/el-mayor-perjuicio-de-cortar-los-vuelos.html
Jan 21st, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(46) Monty96
Jan 21st, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
This is a risky strategy for Argentina. You don't have many rolls of the dice left...........”
I say:
Not many rolls of the dice left............?
Girl..........., this traditional South-American game of Liar’s Dice has just started……………. and you will be forced to serve an eternity aboard our Ship........... Arfff ……….Arfff………. Arfff.........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoPeqtR5vpc
I remember when two members of the DE FACTO Government visited US a few months ago, Roger Edwards and Dick Sawle.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Mr Lorton said... And the more people we can get out there the more people we can get those key messages across ...
That Didn't Go Too Well, Did It?
UN Treaty provides that the Falkland Islanders democratic choice of their political status to be British makes British administration de jure as well as de facto
Jan 21st, 2012 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As to the USA wording; it maintains it's position from 1832 & other diplomatic statements; fundamentally the USA is consistent with its foreign policy from them onwards
Nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests, to quote a wise man
Fundamentally, right now America's permanent interests lie in Great Britain remaining a close ally. The only question for American professional diplomats is how far they can go in the direction of their Argentine permanent interests before they jeopardize their own permanent interests with Great Britain? I suspect the text of the State department missive was pre-agreed through diplomatic channels & accepted as the status quo
The British will fight their own battles; they shall not rely on the help of anyone. They are used to standing alone & prevailing. That much should be evident from their history. Now, who the Americans chose to support in outright conflict? Well, that's up to them & who they like the most
At some point, Argentina shall be compelled to recognize their failure to comply with the ideals, spirit & their solemn promises to uphold the principles & rule of law of the UN Treaty
A trip to the United Nations International Court of Justice might well be the reality check they need to understand that mere nationalistic narrow rhetorical political claims of sovereignty do not supplant the evidential standards of the burden of proof and proof beyond a reasonable doubt or even on a balance of probabilities
Of course, when disputes cannot be settled out of court, they should be litigated. However, in the instance of the Falkland Islands and their people, Argentina prefers extra-judicial persecution
Love, friendship & goodwill would be a better Argentine strategy; who knows?Perhaps the Islanders would chose to join them?
Obama and his sidekick will be gone at the next election
Jan 21st, 2012 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is indeed running out of time .
For today hold nothing but talk,
The future is more pragmatic,
Argentina, you have little time left,
Britain will get its military up and running by 2015, and an extra 3%
And Obama and his sidekick will go by November,
Oh dear, and all the bloggers were getting exited by the thought of victories after victories,
Soon they will understand they have been lied to, and those, that back and encourage them, were also lying to them,
You have no army, no navy , no air force ,
Your rowing boats have little paddles, your leader is desperately looking for a way out of this mess, we think, she will announce her retirement, and leave you lot celebrating her departcher, because that’s the only victory you will get this year,
Lets be honest, the longer this now goes on, the less time you have, less chance of taking them, less chance of persuading others to help you,
Even the Americans and Russians will only escort you, to your front door,
China will remain on the table, and the nuts will remain packaged,
You are alone,, very alone,
No torch no light, no hope
If it wasn’t for bad luck, you would have no luck at all,
mmmmmmmmmmm
Morning all - don't concern yourself Think, my abstinence has less to do with signing the pledge, than it has to a fervent hatred of lager. A Real Ale man at heart I've just grown rather bored of the local offerings. I'll probablt recover on my next trip back to the UK!
Jan 21st, 2012 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now -as for semantics, I must be getting old because I'm actually feeling just a touch sorry for the Yanks. If they call the Islands the Malvinas, the get into trouble (wasn't that Mrs Clintons gaff not so long ago?), and if they call them the Falklands, they get into trouble with their neighbours.
Bi-lateral - now that's another good word. But what does it mean? Just between two? Fair enough, so that is telling eveyone else, the UN, Mercosur, the OAS, UNASUR and the vegetable that is CELAC to butt out ?
The US has always supported negotiations because it suits their policy and allows them not to take side. Not in public at least. So somehow I just don't see that the US position has changed at all. The President is no natural friend of the UK, but he'll only be around for one more term at best.
Talking of words, I've found another one, or rather a friend did and pointed it out to me. It is 'abandoned'.
Good word, but I did not expect to find Luis Vernet using it in an 1823 letter to the BA Gov. referring to the Falkland Islands. Abandoned = goodbye Jewett, goodbye to the myth of sovereignty from 1820.
Words can be so much fun :-)
Oh, and Happy New Year by the way. Two (probably more) days of the dog barking at fireworks - again !
“Good word, but I did not expect to find Luis Vernet using it in an 1823 letter to the BA Gov. referring to the Falkland Islands.”
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0You mean the guy who on three occasions is recorded stating that he want's british rule?
There “history” is a joke.
Even the Americans and Russians will only escort you, to your front door,
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0China will remain on the table, and the nuts will remain packaged,
You are alone,, very alone,
No torch no light, no hope
If it wasn’t for bad luck, you would have no luck at all
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!
uk IS FINISHED!!!
Argentina is much better,unemployed hooligan...
#61 - I finally have the diplomatic correspondence about that too :-)
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0#58“Fundamentally, right now America's permanent interests lie in Great Britain remaining a close ally”
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 04:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only thing special about the “Special Relationship” is the amount of self-deception you need to believe in it.
Ah, the usual high standard of Argentine literary excellence from Malvinero1 @ 62, l see.
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@62
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0The poor mans lord haw haw with a jizz stuck keyboard:-)))))
47 Rosarino
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0I was on a Lan flight last week, you plank. Don't get ahead of yourselves.
And we don't have that pathetic nationalistic streak that makes you wet yourselves over flags. We are very proud to fly the Red Ensign. That's the whole point.
48 Marcos Alejandro
You really do have a thing for the Queen dont you? Why would I think better of a paper just because the Queen reads it? Unbelievable.
And it's 'FLIGHT'.
A very sensible statement from the US state department.
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody wants war (at the moment) but as the situation will keep on escalating war will become inevitable once Argentina has improved its military hardware.
It might even come sooner if Argentine were to strike a deal with some neighbors.
There must be a negotiated settlement and preferably a face saving win-win situation for both countries to stop this conflict once and for all.
Argentina should accept that the British have as much historical, moral and legal rights to be in the South-Atlantic as the Argentines themselves. They should realize that Britain can be a absolutely determined foe but also a very loyal friend in need. I can testify this personally as my nation has consistently been defended and supported throughout history (for which we, by the way, are still very grateful).
The British, on the other hand, should accept that the Argentines have at least a some historical claims on the Falklands and that the price of permanent conflict with South-America is just too high in the long run.
And of course the actual population of the Falklands has rights as well.
68 Wim
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 014 lines of text until the last sentence “And of course the actual population of the Falklands has rights as well.”
Yes they do AND they are the ONLY ones who will determine their future. NOT Argentina, not the USA (especially that turncoat of a President and the haradan Clinton) or anyone else, even Britain itself.
The problem with the USA and the 'Special Relationship' with Britain is this: we as a nation are too polite to upset our friends. However I have to tell you that your well-intentioned amatuerish meddling in a situation that you have no part in is starting to grate.
I fully accept that many Americans are greatful for our assistence over the past decades in the war on terror BUT I am sorry to say, that does not include the POTUS who has let his Kenyan past cloud who his friends are, but by all accounts this will not be a problem much longer.
@62 Still upset with the unemployed Turks.
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fac tof the matter is the USA is giving one political face to the countries in it's back yard and in reality another to the Brits. But rest assured if push comes to shove I know where the USA stands.
Words alone will not result in Argentine occupation of the islands. Its war or the legal route. Neither of which Argentina has any chance of success.
If you tried as hard to win the hearts and minds, to coin an american phrase, of the Islanders you will get the Islands tommorrow however the cuurent school yard antics will get you nowhere.
@69
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is far bigger than the people of the Falklands.
This is also about South-Georgia and the South Sandwich islands and of course Antarctica and the potential resources of the continental shelf.
This is also about sometimes irrational national pride and regional sentiments.
The governments of the South-American countries are already taking sides (and I believe they are making a big mistake here). And no (@62), Britain is certainly not alone.
This conflict could so easily spin out of control…
A very sensible statement from the US state department.
Obama and his sidekick will be gone at the next election
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is indeed running out of time .
For today hold nothing but talk,
The future is more pragmatic,
Argentina, you have little time left,
Britton: uk is running out of time and steam......uk will be out of the SA,,,,,,
Nooo body cares about uk........Get real PAl..your dreams are over..
71 Wim
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It only ever a good statement if both sides are equated, and not when Argentina, uses it as a victory,
In this day and age, America should not only realist, but be aware, of who is her friends, and who is not,
What distinction could America possibly make between the British, and the argentines?
[Is it] not true, the America still has ambitions in the Americas, ,
In the last 70 years, how many times has the argentines given and supported American policy,
How many argentines, have fought side by side with American service men, and not only spilt blood, but often died with them.
As much as I respect the Americans, and an annoyed that you have at this time, an anti British government, that has embarrassed the united states, having read high ranking Americans in total dismay, of their governments attitude to the British, that may spawn long term damage,
Lets be honest here,
Britain or Argentina, we both know what America would lose, if she dropped the UK,
But what do you think America would gain by having new south American allies, that if fact hate you,
What would you gain,
Mr Obama and his sidekick, should have no trouble in stating to the world, where its loyalties lay, but sadly she seems to embarrassed to say so,
Hopefully he will go in November, but until then, he could do an awful lot of harm,
I have seen and spoken to American servicemen, that frankly think he is a disgrace, the way he treats the British, last but not least,
I would like to say, and its only my opinion,
That with or without American support, with or without European support,
Great Britain, would and will stand alone if necessary to defend the rights of free peoples
To have their say Then we will. British it is, British it will remain .
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67 Monty69 Your own Government website:
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Supreme authority is vested in Her Majesty The Queen and exercised by a Governor on her behalf, with the advice and assistance of the Executive Council and Legislative Assembly”
You are just a little sheep.
Did Peter Preston make you nervous early this morning?
http://www.falklands.gov.fk//Government.html
69 ChrisR, do you really think that Britain would give the Islanders independence? Or give the islands back to Argentina in the case the islanders one day would want this? The answer to this lays in the treatment of the Diego Garcia indigenous inhabitants. The U.K does not even follow the decision of its own high court, i.e. to let the people move back.
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did Peter Preston make you nervous early this morning?
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think peter preston is the easily scared one, after all he did grass up a source to stop himself going to prison
Preston was also editor when The Guardian was forced to hand over leaked government documents which were then traced to a Foreign Office copier, leading to Sarah Tisdall who was subsequently imprisoned under the Official Secrets Act 1911
..... Did I hear you correctly
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give the islands back to Argentina in the case the islanders one day would want this?
You think that one day, the islanders will vote to go back under the control of Argentina, despite never being under their control in the first place,
We think the islanders can reply to you, they will say it much better we thinks
The islands have already got four US oil company's wanting to invest in the industry down there.
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sorry Mercopress, but your title to this article is a monument to feeble redacting skills coupled with a failed attempt to slyly use mockery, in a very poor show of biased editorializing. Poor job, guys.
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(79) tobias
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you already found out, these are the rules in this casino, Sonny Boy….
The roulette is rigged, the cards marked and the dices loaded…..
Fun anyhow…..
75 EC
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with Diego Garcia is far more complex than the Falklands (there are no Malvinas). AND no, any British Government who backtracked on the undertaking regarding the self determination by the Islanders ALONE would be finished.
@Think
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I knew coming in Mercopress is biased against Argentina (not in the Falklands issue, but in general). However they tend to be good mostly in leaving the titles objective, even if the news from Argentina is always bad.
This time though, it was just poorly written. “Argentine” ??
(82) tobias
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know what you mean.....
“Argentine celebrates US recognition………..”
They surely meant Foreign Affairs minister Hector Timerman…..
My border collies have better English diction that some of these guys……
Think, even mercopress is against you?
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me, have you put the tin foil hat on yet?
The USA is following a relatively sensible policy of not trying to publicly take sides and hoping for a negotiated settlement, like most other peoples in the world would like if you asked them.
However, we aren't going to talk to you because the differences are too great. All you want is a surrender from us. We aren't going to deliver.
Talking about it at diplomatic levels would be a waste of time.
If push comes to shove - all we have to do is withdraw all our forces from the gulf and afghanistan if it comes to war. Mr Obama would then look a little stupid if we complained publicly that the USA was a worthless ally that can't be trusted to to stand by it's closest friends, who have shed blood with them to hunt down the vile scum of Al-Qaeda.
Particularly if we were to point out the Ms Clintons moronic comments gave you lot the false impression that the USA supported your aggressive state policy.
The reputation of the USA would be damaged beyond repair, and Mr Obama would be consigned to the dustbin of history, in the august company of the likes of Neville Chamberlain.
poor Argentina, running out of valid arguments,
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Running out of justice,
Running out of excuses,
Have you ever thought of stop running, and stand still,
It will stop you running into things, stop you imagining things,
Stop some of the deluded ambitions you may have,
It might even stop you making yourself look silly in the eyes of the world,
[See what happens when you stop running]
Try it, before you start running again,
And you might wake up, before its to late.
So tobias, you think that Mercopress is biased against Argentina?
Jan 22nd, 2012 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lnteresting. And Mercopress headquaters are in Uruguay, no?
lf it is biased & l'm only saying “lf” do you think it could be that the Uruguayans don't like you because of your attitude towards them?
l'm sure that you'd love to take over their country as you'd love to take over ours & parts of Chile.
lf it is so, then you only have yourselves to blame.
poor Argentina, running out of valid arguments,
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Running out of justice,
Running out of excuses,
Have you ever thought of stop
britton and islode: AHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
uk is loosing this battle..If you are stupid enough not to see it.....
Bye bye uk.....
lsolde
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mercopress is biased against Argentina, or at least biased against the government currently in power. They never post a positive news story from Argentina yet I click on all the other countries and I can read positive stories.
The rest sbout “me” wanting to invade the entire planet is just an ethnic rant on your part towards me, and not worth replying to.
tobias,
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0You must be intelligent enough to realise that when l said “you”. l meant your country, Argentina & not you personally!
And l never said that Argentina wanted to take over the entire planet!
A little exaggeration on your part, yes?
As for your ethnicity, l have no idea what race you are & don't care.
l do know that you are quite a bit touchy.
lt wasn't a rant.
lf the Uruguayans don't like Argentina, have you ever asked yourself, why?
Anyway, you don't have to read Mercopress if you don't want to. Peace.
US oil company Anadarko is poised to spend at least £1billion on the FALKLANDS. American involvement would signal a hammer blow to Argentina's claims, handing a huge coup for David Cameron & the Islanders. Anadarko has got approval to do this from the highest levels in the US Pentagon. The support of Anadarko would be tacit approval to UK sovereignty.
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina claims to have support, Britain actually has it.
90 Zool
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent news.
91 ChisR
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know it totally blows Christina's claim of US support out the water, up the pipe & onto US oil tankers.
87 Malvinero1
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you wouldent have a date in your back pocket would you ?
lsolde
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I read here because I like getting all possible sides and then making up my mind. Sure, a bit more involved than just blindly reading or watching your favorite tendentious newspaper or tv newschannel to do your thinking for you, but that's just me.
I actually don't condemn Mercopress for their bias, they are within their right, and in some ways like I said, it's good that all viewpoints can have an outlet these days. But that doesn't mean they aren't.
I'm sure some uruguayans do not like Argentina. I'm sure some do, others are indifferent. Only lemmings hate an entire race or group of people based on the actions of outliers or of a government, but on this forum of course, these outliers tend to be the norm.
I pride myself of not once having insulted, denigrated, or vituperated towards the Falkland inhabitants, or people of the UK.
Much different story on the things I read by many here towards Argentina (“more culture in yoghurt than in Argentina”, “savage spychopaths”, “worthless bacteria”)... lol, it's a good laugh that's why I retype it.
94 tobias
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I pride myself of not once having insulted, denigrated, or vituperated towards the Falkland inhabitants, or people of the UK.
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7 tobias (#) Jan 23rd, 2012 - 05:20 am
the British, I admit that myself, but I already knew this obviously and think they are ignorant and blind.
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not strickly true,
but fun all the same,
nobody is perfect,
relax and enjoy it,
its a bit like stepping in that brown mess on the floor,
only to realise it was only a melted piece of chocolate,
justa joka.
Briton:
Jan 24th, 2012 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0That quote is completely and patently spliced, and you know it. Here is the complete quote:
“I'll be honest, I see that with people in Argentina towards the British, I admit that myself, but I already knew this obviously and think they are ignorant and blind.”
For those wishing to read the complete comment from where this quote was taken, refer to the Antarctica section and the article regarding a joint US/Russian survey. There you will observe that the quote I just provided above is undisputably accurate and Briton's version has been conspicuously expurgated from its own complete sentence.
“I see that with people IN Argentina TOWARDS the British...” My quote was clearly referencing the argentine posters who freely insult the UK, which is why I added “I admit”, since I have witnessed in too many such edacious predilection for jejune fulminations, and further stated that I believe those who merely resort to redacting facile epithets towards the United Kingdom, the Falkland Islands or their peoples are ignorant and blind.
So on top of it all, you now to attempt to bemire and traduce my reputation? Really... I sincerely hope you misread what I typed (although a 8 year old native English speaker could not have misinterpreted what I wrote as you did).
But the way you conveniently truncated my quote mid-sentence and thus began with “The British”, is pretty disturbing and smells nidorous. I will give you the opportunity to either confirm you artlessly read my quote, or apologize for libel. Thank you.
Ah, some “special relationship!” With that reply she'll sure be on reasonably good terms with both God and the devil. But, like most of her predecessors, she evaded the truth.
Jan 24th, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What if the Kingdom of Spain asked to please return the Island of Puerto Rico to its rightful owner, Spain? Or Colombia, asked to return the protected-Republic of Panama? Would the answer be: These are “bilateral” issues? No doubt, these two issues could easily be more serious than Argentina's “malvinas” fixation.
Philippe
tobias
Jan 24th, 2012 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But I already knew this obviously and think they are ignorant and blind.”
Get over your self and stop being bloody pomp as
I try to help you, and being very witty,
And you still act like a straightjacket’s got your neck
Come down of your high horse little Toby
And stop acting like a pompas 8 year old .
Now answer that, and you can spend the rest of the night talking to your self .
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#93 britton:you wouldent have a date in your back pocket would you ?
Jan 24th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No...but if one thing I am happy is that Argentina is not associated with uk,or a former colony.And I am REAL glad I DO NOT LIVE in the uk!...
We are EXTREMELY glad that you don't live in the UK, Malvinero1
Jan 24th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the world is glad you dont live in the UK,
Jan 24th, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but if argentina , was a former colony, im sure it would be in a better state now, than it is,
the world is glad you dont live in the UK,
Jan 25th, 2012 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0but if argentina , was a former colony, im sure it would be in a better state now, than it is,
And I am extrmely glad Argentina is an independent nation,NOT ASSOCIATED with the brits,uk (foreign debt(9 trillion pounds).....bye bye looser.......I hope they do not destroy 100% of uk....
@102 Malvinero1,
Jan 25th, 2012 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvy, old fruit, it's LOSER not LOOSER. Do get it right, snookums.
But your brain has become looser in your head, careful it doesn't fall out of your ears.
And its only 1 trillion, not 09,
Jan 25th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rather than throwing swearwords and put downs at each other, take the time to look up the freedom of press index for each country, the crime rates, the education systems, then remember that the people of the Falklands were attacked by Argentina within most of their living memories, now think why they don't want anything to do with Argentina.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0105 Boovis
Jan 26th, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just one slight problem when looking up numbers for Argentina, a lot of sites do not list them. Why. Because no one trusts the government figures and you would have to be mad to go to the Policia to report anything.
IT IS A REAL PITY that this place administrators allow the use of expletives, insult and name giving without deleting the postings and/or expelling from here, for good, some of the persons that insist in that behaviour.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CELEBRATION:
Yankee doodle may say anything to please the various parties in this issue and their motives are clear to me.
But the truth is that in 1832 the US kicked away the Argentine Malvinas' government, told the English Crown immediately that the islands were “now clean”, helped England (and Europe) twice to get rid of the Huns and, finally, in 1982 they helped the now 'de facto' administrators to recover their 'de facto' power.
Quite a bunch of hypocrites, aren't they?
Verba volant!
So, in my view, there's nothing to celebrate...
Cheers!
you really then
Jan 26th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your problem is with the AMERICANS,
so CFK should be thretening the Americans then,
oh sorry i forgot, yellow gets brighter the futher north you get .
@107 Argie,
Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would the Americans clean the Falklands for the British in 1832?
We had been at war with them just 20 years before & had burned their city of Washington. Do you think that they had forgotten that?
lt doesn't make sense.
No, the Americans were destroying an illegal United Provinces(Argentine) base that was being used for piracy & had already seized some American ships.
Cheers to you, too.
you really then
Jan 27th, 2012 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0your problem is with the AMERICANS,
so CFK should be thretening the Americans then,
oh sorry i forgot, yellow gets brighter the futher north you get .
No is with a cheetah like you chimpton...
What are you blithering on about, malvinero1?
Jan 27th, 2012 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0You sound like sr Think, repeating what someone else has posted.
Do you have a social life?
Thank you IsoLde,,,,,,,,
Jan 27th, 2012 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly this is what indoctrination does to you, he only copies , as he has no free will,
But then again being child he still has to grow up,
Sad then that he sets the standard of argie on here,
108 & 109. I hold no hard feelings against either America or England. As a matter of fact I lived in their countries, and worked and studied (got good marks, btw), canvassed in England for the candidate I liked at the time and even took old people to and from the polls.
Jan 27th, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whan I can't stand is hypocrisy.
And America, whose name is not this, but 'United States of...', is one of its best masters.
They attacked Malvinas which at the time was scarsely populated by Argentine settlers. The governor warned USA seal hunters to stop killings for just the sake of bloodthirsty wants, as their shipholds
were already up to their hatches in skins and blubber. They did not stop the useless slaying and Vernet fined and expelled them, asking them not to come ever again.
USN retaliation came instead, under a fake flag and false pretences.
What they've learned and practised in the beginning of their country to deal with the redskins, was taught down the generations and it still does.
They believe in their hearts that they own the truth and the right to do as they wish. So far, they got away with it, exception made of Vietnam and something very nasty that happened to people working at the Twin Towers. An enemy was immediately found!
History is made of the most relevant facts and it's always the winners's version that survives, no matter what the methods were nor who owned the rights or who occupied the land. Thus, the history of all places is actually the story of Man's power over the less endowed. Some of these, keep record and from time to time it surfaces...
The Tea Party was just one of their first issues, Isolde, which they won with flying colours.
Now, why CFK is happy about the USA blabber, I cannot understand. Perhaps she's not well adviced, perhaps she should have kept - if only this time - her trap shut.
Perhaps I should have kept my trap shut as well, so this is the last I'll say here about these matters.
Thank you for your patience and understanding.
Cheers!
britton:And its only 1 trillion, not 09,
Jan 27th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No that is uk public debt.The foreign debt amount to 9 trillions!!!
Gross external debt $8.981 trillion (30 June 2010
Jan 27th, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 02011 is not yet calculated,
Does not state how much we are owed by others .
so this may or may not equal or even that debt,
unless you know what others owe us .
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