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UK says Falklands’ self determination is a universal right enshrined in UN charter
The UK will not negotiate the Falklands/Malvinas Islands sovereignty “until the Islander so wish to” said on Wednesday a spokesperson from the Foreign Office. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesArgentina is innocent!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/01/26/argentina-is-innocent/
Of course it is your highness ! :-))
Jan 26th, 2012 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Much more than criminal uk......
Jan 26th, 2012 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!
DOWN with brits Imperialism!!
After the forced expulsion of the population of Chagos from the islands, the islanders were offered no recourse to self-determination.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0After the forced expulsion of the population of Malvinas from the islands, the invaders want self-determination for themselves.
Hypocrisy: English disease.
UN charter is general legislation.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 04:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands/Malvinas general and special resolutions are specific legislation.
Special law derogates general law.
Down with Argentine Imperialism !!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 05:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
Billy - try to know what you're talking about. The UN Charter is a multi-lateral Treay binding its signatories. UN GA Resolutions are merely 'advisory'.
Special law my ar*e !
If you bunch of imperialists don't like it then take us to court!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wake me up when you grow a pair.
you bunch of imperialists don't like it then take us to court!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wake me up when you grow a pair.
You never wanted to go!
Down with brits imperialism!!
Anyway,uk is AlREADY DOWN!!
And you continue with your lies beef! Shame on you!
Alright Billy, show us the particular “special” law which limits any UN Charter rights. The specific resolution which spells out that the Falkland Islanders' right to self determination is limited.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Malvinero1,
Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ready now, to go to court when you are. Are you scared?
@5 Billy Hayes,
Prove it. And stop lying.
“UK says Falklands’ self determination is a universal right enshrined in UN charter”.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does anybody know what the UN istelf says about it?
Yes Islas Malvinas
Jan 26th, 2012 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml
The Purposes of the United Nations are:
“2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples...”
Isolde, I don´t have to prove the law, you can find all Falklands/Malvinas resolutions in the web.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a basic principle in common law and in the continental system, specific law derogates general law, and this is the case. As UN says, Falk/Malv is an special and unique case, because of that it has special resolutions that must be follow by the parts; Argentina and UK as UN stats.
Marcos- please come up with FACT and EVIDENCE that shows the non military civilian sttlers here were evicted by the British as you claim in 1833.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come up with clear evisence and proof - or SHUT UP!
WE kown that the FACTS - as verifiable by documents in Arg Archives as well as British Archives show that:
The miltia from Buenos Aires were told to leave - and did so
The civilian settlers some of whom had beent here for a year or so- no more - were invited to stay or leave voluntarily of their own free will.
4 people - 2 couples left - one Uruguyan and 1 Breazillian. ALL others stayed on.
Their presence still on the Islands was referred to and written down by Charles Darwin when he visited soem 10-12 years later.
At least one of them - alday- married an English settler - and that family still has descendants here today.
The lasy of the original folk from 1833 dies arounf 1870 and is buried here in Stanley Cemetery,
Now the above are FACTS - easily verifiable.
Now you come up with FACTS and VERIFICATION that support your story - or Shut Up.
Your Comment
Argentina is innocent!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So was Hitler.
@13 Tell us, Billy boy. Is that “special case” not a determination of the Fourth Committee. A Committee that has NO power. A Committee whose draft resolutions usually don't make it to the General Assembly. And as pointed out @6 GA resolutions are only advisory. Historically, of course, Argentina is notable for ignoring Security Council resolutions. Much like Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi. And we all know what happened to them, don't we?
The “self determination of people”, nevertheless their race, creed, origen or who their ancestor are is an essential right of the modern international law of the human rigths which is growing up since the signature of the UN CHARTER in 1948. Even so the 2065 UN RESOLUTION that Argentina invokes to claim negotiations about the Malvinas / Falkland issue, state very clear that the “invitation” to the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom to find a peaceful solution to the problem is ”bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)” . I know perfectly that my Country ( Argentina) makes a diference between “interest” and “wishes” but this difference is not consistent because under the modern rules of the international humanitarian rights is imposible care the rights of the individuals without ask which they think about which their interest are.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Billiouis - you are talking rubbish. The Treaty is what everyone signed, so that makes the Charter binding. UN GA Resolutions are merely advisory.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You need to learn some law!
MORE OF THE TIPICAL PARTIAL TRUTHES.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like i said in many others comments, it's true that resolution 1514, and the charter of the u. n. have fundaments about self determination, but what your politicians omit, is that both dont let any colonial situation to break the territorial integrity of any country, read resolution 2353 which reffers the gibraltar question, in one of it's paragraphes it describes what's the thought of the u. n respecting the relevancy of territorial integrity.
On the other hand, if the right to self determination is the paramount, and there is not any other alternative than self determination, then ¿why the international comunity voted twice in 1985 against the british proposals about including references of self determintion for this cause, why in 1947 the u. k. didn't include the dispute of the islands, when it proposed argentina to take the question of the dependencies to the court, why the decolonization committe still considers the malvinas-falkland cause like a special colonial situation, why none of the two parts proposes to take the dispute to the court, if the both are so sure of their rights, like they parrot all the time?.
I dont deny that maybe self determination is really applicable for this case, but what is really extrange is that none of them proposes to take the dispute to the court, beyond our wishes the best that we can do, is to investigate, we dont have to buy the partial truthes of the politicians, everybody is intelligent, the only one problem is that some of them dont like to make ample analysis, and prefer to buy partial truthes.
The next move will be that the war never happened.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was all somebody else's fault is just one step away.
CFK must be on double strength tablets at the moment.
Interesting reading....common sense, something not so frecuent in this mess.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/9491129.Ex_diplomat_urges_policy_change_over_the_Falklands/
8 Malvinero. It was the US who attacked the Argentine stationed in Malvinas.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 28th December, 1832, the USN frigate “Lexington” under cover of a French flag to mislead the Argentine population, the pirate USN captain Silas Duncan, under false pretences (what else could be expected coming from an American?) invited aboard to discuss but instead took prisoners Vernet and his second in command. Then, after destroying all installations and small ships by cannonshots, they invited those in the island to surrended and come aboard.
Read it, in Spanish, in http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silas_Duncan
before someone changes all.
The US is saying now that the islands' government and posession is 'de facto' but, do you believe the Americans are, in any way, siding with us?
HAHAHAHA!
It appears that only President Cris is näive enough to believe it.
Chers!
The Falklanders have decided that they want to be a British Overseas Territory, and they are NOT interested in being an argentine malvenass theme park!!!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
Down with argentine Colonialism.
End argentine Corruption.
Beautiful flag isn't it.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still flying high and proud.
Axel
Jan 26th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Resolution 1514 refers to Non Self Governing territories only, not to all countries. Argentina is not a Non Self Governing territory so is not covered by Resolution 1514. The 6th declaration in 1514 is specifically to stop the territorial disruption of countries Non Self Governing territories undergoing decolonisation. That declaration is for a very specific situation.
Resolution 2353 does not change that. The paragraph in Res 2353 which mentions territorial integrity does not change anything, in effect it repeats what I've said above. Countries undergoing decolonisation should have their territorial integrity protected during that process.
Once a country is decolonised, it can do whatever it likes, including splitting up, as long as self determination is respected. There are many cases where this has happened, where due to self determination countries have broken up into smaller portions. Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia are two recent examples. The jurisprudence supports this as well, in the cases of East Timor, Kosovo and more recently in Southern Sudan the ICJ has found that self determination comes ahead of territorial integrity.
Argentina cannot claim that its territorial integrity has been disrupted in the Falkland Islands, because a) the UN does not recognise the Falklands as Argentine territory, and never has and b) it is the Falklands which are undergoing decolonisation, not Argentina. Argentina is not on the list of Non Self Governing territories.
just who would you belive
Jan 26th, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the truth
or the argies,
and if the [child] is their standard then they have no hope .
J.A. Roberts: Resolution 1514 refers to Non Self Governing territories only, not to all countries. Argentina is not a Non Self Governing territory so is not covered by Resolution 1514.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Love it. +1.
Hey mate
Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you a Mercopress employee who talk yourself by different names,
or an official from London,or a member from UK unempoyed army.?
I doubt you can answer to me if i ask some questions.
UK charter! Charter from colonialists. I dont understand like a civilized people is fool! Much asno! Come on, go back to hell, british. I dont like your presence in our land. Land from Argentina. Go to the hell, demons!!!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 Brasileiro,
Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't make a lot of sense, ldiota.
So when will you go back to Portugal & give Brazil back to the Amerindians,
They probably don't like your presence in their country either & wish that you would go to hell.
You are a fool, niño.
You are old woman, i respect!
Jan 26th, 2012 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0its not your land
Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and you are not from brazil,
brazilions are respectfull,
not mouthy like you
go back to your hovel .
@Brasileiro
Jan 26th, 2012 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really make no sense at all.
Are you using an enigma machine to send your messages?
YOUR EALL YNEE DSOM EPRO FESS IONA LHEL PNOW.
Argentina never managed to gain 'territorial integrity' over the Falklands Axel, so your argument falls at the first hurdle.
Jan 26th, 2012 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fernandez and her fellow Conquistadors are colonialist hypocrites.
Jan 27th, 2012 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Leave the Falklanders alone, they don't want you.
so Isolde taking on the Brazilians now? wow, this woman has some balls :-))
Jan 27th, 2012 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina never managed to gain 'territorial integrity' over the Falklands Axel, so your argument falls at the first hurdle.
Jan 27th, 2012 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHAHHAHHAHAHAH
Who cares...
Err ... you do, I assume? After all, it's you that is trying to obtain something that you've never owned, and have no rights to.
Jan 27th, 2012 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you really don't care, why are you here ??
... you do, I assume? After all, it's you that is trying to obtain something that you've never owned, and have no rights to.
Jan 27th, 2012 - 03:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you really don't care, why are you here
I admit you are a PERSISTANT LIAR
You have proof that he lies?
Jan 27th, 2012 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have never lied yourself?
Never, ever?
Then you are indeed a saint. l stand in awe :-)))))))))))
J. A. ROBERT.
Jan 27th, 2012 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I respect your opinion but i dont agree on it, that paragraph of resolution 2353 shows perfectly what's the thought of the u. n respecting the relevancy of territorial integrity, ¿did you read that resolution really?, beside article 7 of resolution 1514 affirms that the territorial integrity of all the countries must be respected, it doesn't reffer only the non-self governing territories. On the other hand, dont include the kosovo case in dispute, because even the court clarified about the exceptionality of the case, beside you didn't answer the 4 questions of my comment 18, it's interesting to know your answer.
On the other hand, i have always wondered why you never accepted to read my investigation, i already explained you why i decided not to publish it on line.
all he can do is copy
Jan 27th, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0still a child has to learn .
First you have to actually have some 'territorial integrity' Axel. In the case of the Falklands, Argentina never managed to get them into its territory.
Jan 28th, 2012 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Until Argentina can show that the Falklands were a part of its territory (not Spain's), your argument goes nowhere!
yes we agree that british illegal aliens have all the rights to determine anything they want in UK but in islas Malvinas Argentina they have as much rights as a Mexican in USA or a gypsy in UK, even Australia still burns or sinks pirat ships,a lot of UK's stands is bias, deport all this squatters from islas Malvinas Argentina simple ! nobody likes illegal aliens, squatters or pirats.
Jan 28th, 2012 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quite right Prat - in the Falklands you have as much right as Mexico!
Jan 28th, 2012 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pirat-Hunter ,,, all humans have rights,
Jan 28th, 2012 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0but as you are not human,
you do not .
Pirat-Hunter ,,, all humans have rights,
Jan 28th, 2012 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but as you are not human,
you do not
Except the chimp like you britton....
rather a chimp that a coward
Jan 28th, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a copier and yellow, you lost tosser
@46 Malvinero1,
Jan 28th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you like chimps, signor?
They share 97% of their DNA with humans.
l think, however that malvinistas are lower down the scale than chimps!
LORD-TON:
Jan 28th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read again my work, specialy the susession of states, which was writen by a professor of public international right, and read also my final analysis, i can't repeat all the arguments here.
talking about Mexico is a good start to explain the rights of british illegal aliens in Islas Malvinas Argentina. I support all rights of british illegal aliens in UK lets just hope when they get back to UK they don't become like IRA.
Jan 28th, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 048 lsolde thank you,
Jan 29th, 2012 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0And thank goodness they will never ger their hands on the islands .
48 lsolde thank you,
Jan 30th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And thank goodness they will never ger their hands on the island
AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHA
The island,you mean uk??I would not dream to go to a stupid liar,law breaker country like uk.....
1825 Treaty of commerce and frienship between uk and Argentina....
Argentina helping uk with volunters in both WW wars.
Over 5000 Argentines helping the brits in the war.
The RAF Argentine British squadron# 164
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N4cIh__tnc
britton: You are dumber than a chimp!
Not being ungrateful or anything but the Argentine contribution to the Allied war effort in both World Wars was next to zero. Hate to say this but you were actually more trouble than you were worth.
Jan 30th, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you figured more for the for the Facist Axis powers of Italy and Germany even Spain?
Was interested to learn recently about the soldiers who left the Irish Army so they could join up and fight for Britain against the facists. On their return they suffered terrible prejudice from the Irish State. These are the people that truly deserve our thanks and gratitude.
Malvinero1
Jan 30th, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you are a stupid little child who just won’t grow up,
But if your ok with all the bloggers laughing at you,
That’s your business, so continue your childish insults,
As this is one toy, you will never own .
and the British Falklands will always be something you will never get,
4 Marcos Alejandro
Jan 31st, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ After the forced expulsion of the population of Malvinas from the islands, the invaders want self-determination for themselves.
Hypocrisy: English disease.”
They (whalers, gauchos, pirates) were on the islands illegally. The British expelled them together with the USA. then Re asserted it's claim.
Not being ungrateful or anything but the Argentine contribution to the Allied war effort in both World Wars was next to zero. Hate to say this but you were actually more trouble than you were worth
Feb 01st, 2012 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok be serious.I got you.Next time we will figth the brits....
@56
Feb 01st, 2012 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually you failed at that even more. Argentina's military history has been one long record of failure ever since you intentionally used your black population as cannon fodder through sickeningly disproportionate conscription, and used them to fight your war of independence against Spain, and just about every war for the next few decades.
Hell the only success you enjoyed was in mass extermination campaigns against unarmed civilians and natives who resisted you stealing their land, but the moment you fought someone who knew how to fight, you were humiliated, and have spent thirty years crying like a spineless wretch about how you were victimized.
this is also why you spend near equal amounts of time gloating over Spain winning two minor battles in south america against Britain during the Napoleonic wars.
amazing how extreme nationalism can cause such delusions of grandeur/importance
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