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UK is open to bilateral talks with Argentina on any issue except Falklands’ sovereignty
UN British ambassador warned Argentina on Friday that Britain would “robustly” defend the Falkland Islands if necessary, but added that his country remained open to bilateral talks with Buenos Aires on any issue except the Islands' sovereignty. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI can't be the only one who thinks the Argentine government is a bunch of looneys and collectively needs some urgent psychiatic treatment. I just read a blog on La Nacion saying the next thing Tinman will be saying is that the Falklanders have developed their own atom bomb. More and more Argies are seeing through the garbage.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0UN British ambassador warned Argentina on Friday that Britain would “robustly” defend the Falkland Islands if necessary
Feb 11th, 2012 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is a big time scale idiot if I ever saw one!
How many times must Argentine authorities say that there will be no use of force? How many fu@#en times before it finally f@#ken sinks in?
What an idiot..
He's made you idiot look even worse though Helter :-)
Feb 11th, 2012 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/11/britain-attacks-argentinas-constitution/
you haven't answered the question I posed in post #2
Feb 11th, 2012 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0:S
The main problem here is that Argentina is a neo fascist pseudo democracy. Latin fascists do not have a good track record of success. Argentina's main population components are Italian and Spanish; neither of which proved very successful at fascism. Mussolini's African armies of hundreds of thousands of men were routinely defeated by British armies a tenth the size in the early years of WW2.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain was a basket case under Franco and only started to prosper when Franco died and Spain entered the EEC.
Argentina does not seem to realise what a laughing stock it is making of itself around the world. I just read an article in the Washington Post about the British submarine with nuclear weapons which Tinman is spouting on about and it was obvious the journalist could not believe what he was writing.
Britain has got a massive head start when it comes to spreading its views with English being the global language. Spanish may be important in Latin America but nowhere else.
Editor ;I think you should take a look at blog 2 here as Helga is starting to swear. My mother always used to say that when people swear it shows that they know they are losing the argument.
It is a shame about Argentina because it is supposed to have some of the worlds most beautiful women as well as some reasonable if crooked and prima-donna ish footballers.
How many times must Britain say that there is no escalation ? After all, one ship, replacing another ship is hardly an increase!
Feb 11th, 2012 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for Argentina, you have a history of invasion - 1832 & 1982 - so we'll take what you say with a pinch of salt. How ever many times that you say it.
How many times must Britain say that there is no escalation ? After all, one ship, replacing another ship is hardly an increase!
Feb 11th, 2012 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for Argentina, you have a history of invasion - 1832 & 1982 - so we'll take what you say with a pinch of salt. How ever many times that you say it.
So Argentina has no legal...coming from lordtrash isa garanty!!
Buzz off LIAR!!
Go with mark..I guess it is time to take the british assets in Argentina....No more nice talk with LIARS and Pirates.Hey ,mark: We do not need you,lordtrah or uk......Jsut buzz off...Anyway NO POSIBILITY TO develop hydrocarbons industry off shore WITHOU ARGENTINA HELP...I guess you are a dumb pirate...
AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
what idiot is mark...LIAR to the core!!
@2 FFS Helga.... read the article again.....
Feb 11th, 2012 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0“” “We are not looking to increase the ******war of words*****, but clearly if there is an attempt to take advantage of the 30th anniversary of the Falklands war by Argentina, then ******we will obviously defend our position and defend it robustly*****” Lyall Grant said.“”“”
STRAT-IGNORANT- US
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The main problem here is that Argentina is a neo fascist pseudo democracy. Latin fascists do not have a good track record of success. Argentina's main population components are Italian and Spanish; neither of which proved very successful at fascism. Mussolini's African armies of hundreds of thousands of men were routinely defeated by British armies a tenth the size in the early years of WW2”
IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT IS FASCISM JUST LOOK INTO A MIRROR AND YOU WILL SEE THE PRODUCT OF YOU BRITISH FASCISM. DO NOT WORRY, YOU ARE TOO OLD AND TO BLIND TO SEE HOW THE WORLD WILL SUPPORT ARGENTINA.
Let's see how much BP spends your taxes from the WANNA BE FIRST CLASS CITIZEN LIKE YOU IN THE PROCESS TO INCREASE ITS PROFITS.
You really have to love these deluded Brits. On the one hand, they mock and ridicule Argentina's military and their capability of undertaking warfare in the 21st century. On the other, they feel the need to say, we will be ready if it happens or we will respond robustly. Which one will it be gentlemans?
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0That backdrop to these speculations and statements is the clear and unwavering remark by the Argentine Gov't that there will be no use of force.
Sometimes I wonder if the British would not in fact love for the use of force....
UK must return now to Argentina the Malvinas Islands stolen !!!! Of course, all the world knows that the Malvinas Islands belong to Argentina!!!!!UK only has the Islands because this country stole them using the military force but without any valid argument. The british pirates must return their war vessels to their country, and please stop bothering all the countries in South America. Nobody in South America believe the lies of the british. Everybody know that they are thief of territories in several continents. It´s very clear that UK has stolen a lot of territories around the world, the Malvinas Islands are only a little example of that. All the world (including the friend countries of UK, for example US), the United Nations, the OEA, among others are asking to the parties to begin the sovereign negotiations. But UK always denies to do it because this country considers that it is opposite to its interest. This country prefers to continue stealing resources of South America. All the world know that the self determination is big lie that can´t be apply in this discussion. However, don´t worry, all the military force that UK is showing is not enough to hide the truth, all the world knows that these Islands belong to Argentina and everybody knows that it will belong to Argentina for ever. The british pirates won´t be able to change this truth they don´t have any valid argument, only they have a military power to impose their interests.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0where you hear something?one more and go ... http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2011/09/06/actualidad/1315323826_510497.html
Feb 11th, 2012 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0If nobody believes the UK, why does Argentina have to set up Forums in all its neighbouring countries ??
Feb 11th, 2012 - 05:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seems like their support for Argentins is wavering !
Johnfarrel2050,
Feb 11th, 2012 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Among pirates and thief's there is not such a world as STOLEN OR TAKING.
They always FOUND IT or DISCOVER or NO BODY WAS THERE WHEN THEY CAME or I TOOK IT BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE DID”
These are the foundations of the ROYAL FAMILY . If not look in what circumstances the LITTLE PRINCE, came to do training in the South Atlantic
Tired of drinking and playing polon South Africa, he decided( HE DOES NOT DECIDED ANYTHING) he needed to do something less boring.
At the same time that the UN Security Team is in session to evaluate potential WMD or possible NUCLEAR USE by IRAN, this IGNORANT BRITS INFECTED THE ONLY PLACE IN THE WORLD THERE IS PEACE!!!!
WHAT A BUNCH OF IGNORANT AND EGO-CENTRIC ANTISOCIAL GROUP OF PEOPLE !!
What are we discussing here !!! COME ON
13 jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feb 11th, 2012 - 05:17 am - Link - Report abuse 02nd - #14 - Jewett was a pirate !
Feb 11th, 2012 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Increasingly the UK is being shown for what it is: a stubborn, arrogant bully wishing to use might rather than right to resolve contentious issues.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Secretary General of the Organization of American States (OAS), José Miguel Insulza, expressed today his full support of the statements made by the President of the Republic of Argentina, Cristina Fernández, who upon vindicating the right of her country to the Malvinas Islands, warned that nobody should expect from her Nation “a response outside of politics and diplomacy.” Insulza highlighted that President Fernández “has made use of the only valid instrument to those who believe in peace and democracy: political dialogue; and in this way, she has the full support of all our region.
The head of the OAS highlighted the decision to repudiate “the militarization of the South Atlantic” expressed by President Fernández, who also asserted she will preserve “a region where peace predominates, where we have had conflicts that we have resolved without arms, among us South Americans.”
On the determination of the Mercosur countries to refuse ships with the Islands' flag, Insulza expressed his full agreement with this position and noted that “Great Britain should not try to force the entry into ports of Latin America and the Caribbean of a flag not recognized by the international community.”
The Secretary General of the hemispheric organization warned about the danger of sending war ships to the South Atlantic and emphasized the “nonsense in adding a bellicose tone to a conflict with a country that in the last years has expressed its desire for peace, and has not given any indications of wishing to change that a policy.” ”On the contrary, Argentina is among the last on the list of defense spending countries in
Iincreasingly, Argentina is being shown for what it really is:
Feb 11th, 2012 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Powerless, desperate, insignificant and happy to wallow in self pity.
The drilling continues and the ships keep coming and going flying that red ensign. How many US dollars are you Argies allowed to buy today :-$
Whatever Beef!
Feb 11th, 2012 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0What do you have to say about the OAS SG statement today? Do you agree with it? Do you find it surprising that the single biggest multilateral regional organisation in the region supports Argentina? If Argentina were indeed ill-informed in its requests, why would the OAS support it?
Looks to me like you lads are the odd ones out.
Keep trying though. ;)
How many fu@#en times before it finally f@#ken sinks in?
Feb 11th, 2012 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0talks with Buenos Aires on any issue except the Islands' sovereignty.
pretty much as many times as it takes you lads to believe that Argentina will not use force to reclaim the islands and you begin to act accordingly.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0So yeah, you tell me!
Nobody should believe this bunkum.The city were never going to talk to the IRA of course they are going to talk.Argentina needs now to step up the.pressure little by little eventually pushing the OAS into sanctions if neccesary
Feb 11th, 2012 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0So if we were to discuss the flights thing, shouldn't it be trilateral?
Feb 11th, 2012 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0After all, the Islanders want to talk for themselves. And they claim they want to be part of any negotiations regarding the Islands.
But unsurprisingly, UK offers only bilateral talks. It doesn't sound much to self-determination IMO.
Helber - We don't give two hoots about the OAS. They are not asking for a transfer of soverignty anyway.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has no ability to make us talk, no legal case to take to court and you can't even stop your supporters sending trade delagations to the islands. Those FI registered ships can continue to enjoy Mercosur ports while flying the Union Jack (now that surely is recognition of Brish
The city were never going to talk to the IRA of course they are going to talk.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Talking shit again GA GA
The I RAN AWAY gave up, too many touts in its ranks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyqQiF3mSo
How the IRA were defeated by British informers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyqQiF3mSo
We also knew what the I RAN AWAY were thinking at the highest level
Denis Martin Donaldson (Short Strand, Belfast, Northern Ireland, 1950 – 4 April 2006 in County Donegal, Republic of Ireland) was a volunteer in the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) and a member of Sinn Féin who was exposed in December 2005 as an informer in the employment of MI5 and the Special Branch of the Police Service of Northern Ireland (formerly the Royal Ulster Constabulary)
Might over right Helber? I guess a well armed invasion force vs 30- odd Royal Marines was right over might then? The Falklands are well defended now not for fun, but because of what you Argentines did in 1982.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Time for Argentina to show off their nuclear capabilities I would do that if I would be them.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0A couple of middle range missiles with 500 kg nuclear war head would be enough to vanish the whole UK defense there. Just a thought.
@26
Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Be serious. In 1982 we at least had some army. What do we have now?
Your military presence would be serious if we were actually armed. But we are not. So it's unnecesary.
27 Yeah righto wait for that then
Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0British Nazis mmmm remind me who along the US and Russia defeated the world biggest evil power Nazi Germany. Remind me where all the SS murderers escaped and were given sanctuary???
Remind me who settled the islands first. Answer me how timmerman reckons we have increase ships four fold recently??? The force levels are exactly the same as have been for 30 years. My thoughts on the matter are that Argies were planning some sort of silly civilian invasion (fishing boats with flags etc) or actually a rag tag naval invasion (a few fishing boats) and they dont like the fact that we have put one of our newest more capable ships in the area. And the nuclear powered sub will frighten the @hit out of them. Regards being peaceful you started all this bullying and trying to block of trade and links with the falklands hardly peaceful acts. But knowing the argentines grasp of history you have probably forgotton or censored this from your press already. Your timmerman is seen as a joke do you not think the UN has the intellectual power to check his facts, check history , you have no claim on the islands. Leave them alone adn concentrate on you 25% inflation, junk credit rating, and you can pay your IMF loans back you defaulted on and the cash back to US. Now jog on
@27 “Time for Argentina to show off their nuclear capabilities I would do that if I would be them.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0A couple of middle range missiles with 500 kg nuclear war head would be enough to vanish the whole UK defense there. Just a thought.”
Do some research and you will find Argentina does not have any nuclear weapons and if it did gain possession of any in the future it would be in violation of the treaty that makes latin american nations a nuclear free zone. Not to mention the fact that the UK would, if such event occured, respond by wiping the whole of argentina of the face of the planet.
Poor, poor Argentina.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0lf only, if only,
My heart bleeds for you(NOT!).
What to do, oh what to do?
We were quite happily bullying a small group of islands, but now their Mummy has come along & its not fair!
Sob, sob, (muted violins in the background).
Grow some hair on your chest & grow up, Argentina.
You're a wimpering, self-pitying big sook. l'm disgusted in your lack of manliness on the world's stage.
Dear Teaboy2 you are a very naive boy Argentina has nuclear technology to centrifuge wasted fuel uranium since 1983. Also provided Iran with nuclear know how in the ‘80 what is the based of Iran nuclear program.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also Argentina has space programs that can put a satellite out off space quite easily they are even more advanced than UK in that field. How long do you think Argentina can take to arm a nuclear device to reach London?
You have no idea about what Argies can do if they are cornered by a nuclear threat. Trust me you are not aware about how dangerous can be Argentina if you push too far. Only US intelligence knows that and for that reason they are cautious to don’t piss off the argies.
If I would be you I would be very concern about it and try to be very polite with the argies knowing then a little bit I can tell you that they can pass from very friendly to a quite bastard in hard times.
Now take your time and make a serious research please don’t use wiki its just for dummies if you know what I mean.
Sincerely
Dan Berger
@26 JA Roberts,
Feb 11th, 2012 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have always criticized what was done in '82 by the military regime. And precisely for that reason, I have to be consistent and applaud this DEMOCRATIC regime which chooses to discard the use of force (although Britain seems to think otherwise).
I am glad to read that the OAS not only believes Argentina but supports its approach and also, more importantly, openly criticises the way Britain is militarizing a request to sit down a negotiate.
How stupid can a government be to think they can just complain in some UN body and get some islands ...including civilians... its too dumb for words, its not even worth the discussion.. its proof of pure colonialism... Argentina is a bad looser, as always, The english were there even before Argentina new the islands existed... and also, 1833 the Argentina independence...didn t even include the southern area of tierra del fuego... until aobut 50 years later;.... so what claim do they even have on a remote islands 600km form tierra del fuego....? Chiles tierra del fuego is as far as that from argentina in respect of distance to Falklands..so what is Argentina thinking??? falklands are just oil and fish treasuries for a bankrupt country that already has 50pc of southern amercian land area... its a stupid government with stupid rules and stupid visions not even worth the discussion.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Haha at poster 32 Danny Berger.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has never been a threat to the UK and isn't a threat today. If you think they can suddenly build ballistic nuclear weapons you truly have no idea what you are talking about. Quite frankly the UK has hundreds of years of proof it can meet an aggressor and win so why would the UK suddenly start fearing a country that has a broken economy and has proven not to have the capability to do the things you elude too?
Having a space program and building a power station is ABSOLUTELY nothing like having the capability to build a nuclear weapon that can successfully hit a country and if you think it is you really need to go and read up on the subject. You simply cannot invent the sort of capability without many years of research and huge amounts of funding, its also highly questionable if Argentina has the skills to do such a thing.
Wake up dude and stop living in fantasy land.
25 oh yhea junta they ran away all right,They blew up half of the city with a tiny army,where were your informers then.You lot werent long in sitting down when the financial system was crippled.Martin Mcguiness now deputy first minister in the North of Ireland.Actually the North of Ireland is probably the tenplate that could best serve the English in the future.A type of joint sovereignty with both governments supervising a local parliament.Of course even the English wouldnt deign to stop freedom of movement of peoples in Ireland as they so blatantly do in the South Atlantic.You guys are being very foolish idf you dont go down that road as in ten years time Argentina will have developed a lot more and have lost patience with the imperial chancers
Feb 11th, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Tell you what. Try a bit of research. See if you can find the bit where your defence minister, Arturo Putrid Jelly, tells the world that argieland is ready to go to war with Britain. No member of the British government has said anything about war with argieland. Simply that the Falkland Islands WILL be defended. Notice that word “defended”. We have a member of YOUR (joke) government threatening war. And before you ask me where, I'll give you a stock argie response. DYOR.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 Shall we respond to your drivel, where possible, sentence by sentence? No. Not true. Wrong. We'll send our “vessels” where we like. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Please provide link to request by, e.g. Iceland or France or Japan. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Don't need to. Please now return to your asylum and don't escape again until at least 2082.
@14 The only place there is peace? As Brazil readies 14,000 troops? As argie police beat up environmentalists? As argie criminal “veterans” attack and beat up lawmaker? As argie thieves stab a Frenchman to death? Strange ideas you have about peace.
@17 Copy and paste is not the answer. Besides, Insulza is a drunken tool.
@19 Tell you what I have to say about it. YOU can swivel on IT!
@23 Can't be trilateral. Argieland doesn't recognise FIG exists. Hoist and petard!
@27 Argieland doesn't have anything nuclear. Not even a boat!
@28 Tell us about those 70,000 bodies data says are in your army? What are they? Benefit claimants?
@32 So, you're in breach of the Treaty of Tlatelolco now as well. Anything else you'd like to admit to?
@33 Tell us, Helber, if you're old enough. Where were you the night Galtieri announced the successful invasion of the Falklands? And can you prove it? Were you at home penning an indignant letter to your political representative? Or were you out dancing in the streets?
@Helber Galarga
Feb 11th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can state a million times that you will not use force.
We hope you are right. No -one in the UK wants another war. As I have told you before we have enough on our plates dealing with other pressing national security issues - like Al-Qaeda and Somali pirates.
Now I will use big print to get the point over again to you for the nth time:
YOU HAVE ALREADY ATTACKED US BEFORE.
WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR ALL POSSIBLE LINES OF ACTION YOUR GOVERNMENT MAY TAKE.
THAT INCLUDES THE (HOPEFULLY) REMOTE POSSIBILITY THAT YOU MAY TRY A MILITARY RESOLUTION.
ANYTHING LESS WOULD BE AN ABBROGATION OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A NATION TO PROTECT OUR OWN PEOPLE.
WE SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD TO JUST TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT.
IF THE ISLANDS WERE GARRISONED TO THE SAME DEGREE AS THE INVASION IN 1982, YOU WOULD LIKELY TRY ANOTHER ATTACK, KNOWING THAT OUR CHANCES OF RETAKING THE ISLANDS WOULD BE LOW, BASED ON BRITISH DEFENCE CUTS.
THIS WOULD MAKE CFK A NATIONAL HERO, THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOUR POPULACE WOULD SUPPORT IT.
THE FALKLANDERS WOULD EITHER:
A) HAVE TO LEAVE THE ISLANDS.
or
B) LIVE UNDER ARGENTINE OCCUPATION, AGAINST THEIR WILL.
TO STOP THIS HAPPENING WE HAVE MAINTAINED A SMALL FORCE IN THE AREA - A FIGHTER FLIGHT, AN INFANTRY COMPANY, A SHORT RANGE RAPIER SAM BATTERY AN OFFSHORE PATROL VESSEL AND USULLY A FRIGATE OR DESTROYER. FROM TIME TO TIME A SUBMARINE WILL PATROL THE AREA TOO.
THIS FORCE CANNOT POSE THE ARGENTINE MAINLAND A SECURUTY THREAT, IT IS TOO SMALL. IT IS DESIGNED TO MAKE AN ATTACK ON THE ISLANDS DIFFICULT.
CONTRARY TO WHAT SOME OF THE RATHER MORONIC COMMENTS I HAVE SEEN HERE, WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN INVADING OR ATTACKING YOU. WE HAVE ABSOLULTELY NOTHING TO GAIN BY IT AND IT WOULD BE OPPOSED BY THE BRITISH PEOPLE, INCLUDING MYSELF.
WHAT WE DO TO DEFEND OURSELVES AGINST YOU IS NON OF YOUR BUSINESS.
Original Argentine protest and a (very poor) translation here for those that are interested
Feb 11th, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/resources/
37 Conkie baby it was you who was dancing in the street last night.a post with a certain amount of civility.Tell us how was it??????????
Feb 11th, 2012 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 “Dear Teaboy2 you are a very naive boy Argentina has nuclear technology to centrifuge wasted fuel uranium since 1983. ”
Feb 11th, 2012 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Me Naive!!!! Lol Thats rich coming from some idiot that doesn't know the massive difference in technology and enrichment process between nuclear fuel rods for a nuclear power plant and production of nuclear warheads. For a start thay are two completely different things. Secondly you need ballistic missle technology, which themselves are completely different to space launch rockets and thats just to start with.
Iran did so well with the nuclear know how argentina gave them in the 80's that they still have not got a nuclear warhead or a ballistic missle capable of targetting another continent or in fact any country more than 1,000 miles away, hell they can not even reach Isreal yet, and thats taken them best part of 30 years to get to where they are now, using your argentine nuclear know how. not to mention the fact it was the russians that aided them in building their nuclear facilities and shared they know how, for nuclear energy, and they still haven't quite got that right yet. So argentine input was virtually nothing or completely useless, hence why they turned to the russians, though diplomatic talks where part of the reason too.
Your boasting about argentine nuclear technology as if its the best in the world when infact its barely out of its infantcy
As for US being scare of argentina. LMFAO i say LMFAO, thats the funniest thing i have heard anyone say on here in all the time i have been on here, and trust me, some of the idiotic comments on here take some bloody beating, but you just smashed all records for must idiotic comment of all time, with that statement. Argentina has no military, it has no ammunition to fight a war lasting more than 2 hours, its planes fall apart, it has no long range or ballistic missles and certain no Nuclear capability. USA can wipe argentina out in just 5 minutes if they wanted too. lol Idiot.
@40 Sorry, terrorist. Can't dance. Back injury. Collapsed vertebrae. Actually, walking is a bit of a problem. Shooting terrorists isn't!
Feb 11th, 2012 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So much for Argentina's protest !
Feb 11th, 2012 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/11/theres-nothing-next/
@43 Bascially they UN are fed up with argentina and their bullshit rehotric about the islands.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In other words their saying if britain wants to talk so be it, if britain do not want to talk then tough shit argentina. lol
We cannot advance with just “dialogues”; since Argentine Independence from Spain we have had plenty of “dialogues” with the United Kingdom.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the United Kingdom doesn’t want to “negotiate” the topic of sovereignty, I believe that Argentina cannot deal with the other themes.
Of course we are very interested in economic cooperation and communication, but for Argentina, without settling previously the question of sovereignty, these are just peripheral issues with only slight relevance to Argentina legitimate claim of sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands and the other South Atlantic islands that the U.K. still occupies.
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Now to the nomad war-loving Viking crowd:
Learn from your ancestor: Look very close to what's going on across the Channel, the Middle East, Southeast Asia; it will affect you because you are also there. Don't you have a home? Your home affairs needs attention and stay there; and
2. Paraphrasing your own Winston Churchill, we Argentines shall never yield to your power; we shall never surrender our sovereignty to the Malvinas Island even if you insist on displaying in the South Atlantic your apparently overwhelming might.
Maintaining peace, so heavy in our memory and so costly, and negotiation are our immediate goals.
If you insist on militarizing the South Atlantic, you must expect reverses, even defeats. They will be sent to teach you wisdom and prudence, to call forth your energies to negotiate and prevent you from falling further into greater disasters.
This time this will not be Burger King: you will not get it your way!
Respectfully,
Your Argie friend.
pdv:”How stupid can a government be to think they can just complain in some UN body and get some islands ...including civilians... its too dumb for words, its not even worth the discussion.. its proof of pure colonialism... Argentina is a bad looser, as always, The english were there even before Argentina new the islands existed... and also, 1833 the Argentina independence...didn t even include
Feb 11th, 2012 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Are there any honest brits here? Or is it just they consider stupidity and LIES a virtue?
#45 Err - Argentina does not have a legitimate claim and - well the rest is just rubbish !
Feb 11th, 2012 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trust in me Marv - I'll always tell you the truth - Argentina lost - in 1832 !! End of!
46 Moron
Feb 11th, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 01833 LOL WHAT A COMPLETE PRAT.
If you can use 1833, we'll use 1806, in which case Britain has a valid claim to Argentina.
Now FUCK OFF you MORON.
Have you seen the video? Poor guy, so disappointing, so many gaps and silences. Such a bad performance! He couldn't even answer on the so called “UK history” on the islands!!! GREAT JOB ARGENTINA ONCE AGAIN
Feb 11th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17 Helber Galarga
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It doesn’t matter how many times you say you will not use force, we simply do not believe you. The fact is only the British military deployments in the S Atlantic stop Argentina from overrunning all the British territories there and stealing the resources. Argentina’s colonial ambitions for the S. Atlantic/Antarctic are obvious for all to see.
What this shows is how little real support Argentina has even from its neighbours. Dominica and Antigua have declared they do not ban Falkland Island ships. Uruguay has sent a trade delegation to the Falklands, Chile has said it will not get drawn into the dispute any further. Brazil says nothing while considering its next move in its growing trade dispute with Argentina.
Hardly “the great leap forward” you were told. If this is Argentinian diplomatic success then I would hate to see what a failure looks like
@36 O gara
The British had infiltrated the IRA to the very top, the command council. Many now live in fear of information being released or leaked as to who the informants were.
Martin Mcguiness now deputy first minister of a partitionist parliament in Stormont, something he was completely opposed to.
There is no joint sovereignty of Northern Ireland what so ever, it remains exclusively British territory. The Republic of Ireland dropped its constitutional claim to the North so talks could begin. A lesson for Argentina there.
i find argentina's neo-colonialism, pretty silly in this day and age. can't really see them growing up anytime soon?
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0collins english dictionary defines colonialism as: the policy and practice of a power in extending control over weaker peoples or areas.
anyone think this sounds like argentina, cause i do!
49 Alejomartinez
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, telling lies at the UN is not a 'great job'. You should be embarrassed and ashamed.
You also need to get it through your head that no-one cares what you think happened in 1833.
Certainly not enough to justify your guy turning up at the UN and spreading lies and scaremongering about Britain sending nuclear weapons to the South Atlantic and being able to 'attack' Chile and Brazil. It's disgraceful and a bit unhinged. Everyone else can see this; why can't you?
@Teaboy2 you are so ignorant that don’t even worth to answer you.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1828&dat=19830125&id=AsohAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Mp4FAAAAIBAJ&pg=1274,4462278
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1828&dat=19830125&id=AsohAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Mp4FAAAAIBAJ&pg=1274,4462278
@Xect
“Argentina has never been a threat to the UK and isn't a threat today”
You can say the same from Argentina’s point of view “UK has never been a threat to Argentina and isn’t a threat today and less without uncle Sam’s help”
You have not idea of what you are talking about and of course you have not enough information about Argentina and I guess you are not even British to start with.
Argentina has already built a ballistic missile and has the know how to build any kind of intercontinental missile if the y want. Argentina also is one of the few countries in the world that have managed to develop its own nuclear technology without the help of US. So is more advanced in that field than UK as all UKs nuclear programs including Uks limited Tridents capabilities are US Tech all made in USA. Do you understand what I mean?
On the other hand about if the argies are able to make a big crater in Richmond? just call NASA and ask how many argies engineers are working in their space programs. Argentina has nuclear research since 1950 and was the first nation in the world to build a fission reactor the same that we are trying to build in Europe now. So don’t be silly and start to educate your self before is too late for your safety.
About financial funding, you again are underestimating the muscle or Argentina. They don’t need to buy anything outside their country to build an intercontinental missile so they don’t require billions of dollars as UK to get them. They only need the political will or a good excuse as Cameron had gave to them to start to centrifuge even faster nuclear waste material from their reactors to turn into Plutonium. Just ask the Yanks why they don’t want to piss of Argentina. How many countries do you know in the world that can size a
53 danyberger
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bullshit!
Clearly, Argentina has legitimate claims, UK does not have valid arguments. This country only has the Islands, because it imposes its interest with the military power. Of course, all the world knows that the Malvinas Islands belong to Argentina. UK must return now to Argentina the Malvinas Islands stolen. The better thing that the british pirates can do is returning their provocative war vessels to their country, and just stop bothering all the countries in South America. Nobody in South America believe in british lies. Everybody know that they are thief of territories in several continents. It´s very clear that UK has stolen a lot of territories around the world, the Malvinas Islands are only a little example of that. You can see it only reading a little of history. In spite of british lies, the history can´t be hidden. In addition, all the world (including the friend countries of UK, for example US), the United Nations, the OEA, among others are asking to the parties since a long time ago to begin the sovereign negotiations. But UK always denies to do it because this country considers that it is opposite to its interest. This country prefers to continue stealing territories and resources (oil, fish, among others) of South America. All the world know that the self determination is big lie that can´t be apply in this discussion. However, don´t worry, all the military force that UK is showing is not enough to hide the truth, all the world knows that these Islands belong to Argentina and everybody knows that it will belong to Argentina for ever. The british pirates won´t be able to change this truth they don´t have any valid argument, only they have a military power to impose their interests. The truth clearly is prevailing.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45 OK. Don't talk to us about anything. Don't care. You have nothing we want. Or can we put it another way? If you want to carry on the way you are going, with your economic sanctions and blockade, your belligerency, your invalid and illegitimate claims, your threats of war, there is nothing that would persuade us to allow you another breath. No need for any negotiations then, are there? So you can be quiet from now on, can't you? As for Burger King, is Burger King not famous for chopped and shaped beef between two bits of bread. What's the connection with argieland? I'll give you “chopped”. “Shaped”? I think not. Why would anything want to shape itself to look like a slimy slug? “Beef”? Images of strong macho creatures. Not argies then. Have you got a suitably descriptive word for weak, cowardly, boastful, queer t*rds?
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46 You seem to have a problem with your keyboard. Apart from you plugging it in and using it, that is. Could I point out that there are few, if any, words in either English or Spangibberish that include 52 consecutive As.
There are lots of honest Brits. It's just that, out of 40 million, you'd only need 10 fingers to count the number of honest argies. And, no, we don't consider stupidity and LIES a virtue. Regrettably, CFK appears to reckon that both ARE! So all you bozos go with it. Because the guvmint is always right. And “bend over and take it in the ass” Kirchner is your “leader”! Or does she still like to be called Der Fuhrer?
argentina has a very warpped view of international law and relations. endless wars in the name of coloinal expansion, all in the name of greater argentino. in the real world no-one rely cares what you have to say :p
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really couldn't make it up with Danny, he claims to know history yet knows nothing of the subject he calls other ill-educated on.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You go on to say Argentina has developed a ballistic missile but you fail to mention that Condor which I'm guessing you are referring to was built predominately by European companies in conjunction with the Argentine government. Condor 2 was never even launched, a impressive program for sure lol and was widely known to be distinctly low tech and ineffective against western defenses.
As for Argentine nuclear power, that was obtained predominately through Germany/Canada even if R&D was carried out in Argentina, which is no different to the UK.
As for space programs, how many Argentines have been to space?
And your logic about funding is truly bizarre. It costs billions to successfully develop effective nuclear weapons and if you think you can do it for less than that you are truly barking crazy. Are you saying the technology required (which you do not have), the R&D doesn't cost anything?
Also please stop with the delusion about America somehow being scared of Argentina, America could turn up and wipe Argentina off the face of the earth in less than a week with conventional means or in minutes with the nuclear option. America is also the most politically and economically powerful country bar none. So saying America is somehow worried about Argentina is ridiculous in the extreme. The only people America worries about are China and Russia, no other country poses any credible threat and that also included the UK.
You really are a silly, silly man.
@cornishair
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don’t you try to educate yourself before make any other silly post? Am I asking too much?
By the way mate you are not British, may be you are a transplanted Amexican from California?
Just a thought nothing personal.
59 funny man
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your right im not english
i just read up on the argie weapons programs. ats all abit third world country, trying to be the hard man of south america. the thing is chile has a much better military then you lol
Helber, considering your “democratic” government is already waging economic warfare against the Falkland Islanders, your words above ring a bit hollow. Once bitten, twice shy, the UK is not simply going to take your government's word, particularly since it breaks it so often.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The OAS is nothing more than a talking shop, and as we all know, words are cheap.
Clearly, the UK has the only legitimate claim, Argentina does not have valid arguments. Argentina only wants the Islands, because of the prospect of oil and also to deflect attention away from its dire domestic problems. Of course, all the world knows that the Falkland Islands belong to the UK. Argentina must admit that the Islands were never stolen, except by themselves in 1832 and 1982. The best thing that the Argentinian pirates can do is to shut the hell up, and just stop bothering all the countries in South America and beyond. Nobody in South America or the rest of the world believes in Argentinian lies. Everybody knows that they are the thief of territories in South America. It's very clear that Argentina has stolen a lot of territories in South America, and the Falklands Islands are only a little example of the next one on their list. You can see it only reading a little of history. In spite of Argentinian lies, the history can't be hidden. In addition, everybody the world, the United Nations, the OEA, the US, among others just wants Argentina just to leave them in peace and give up on their obsession with islands that aren't theirs. But Argentina always denies to do it because this country considers that it is opposite to its interest. This country prefers to continue trying to steal territories and resources (oil, fish, among others) of the UK and South America. All the world knows that self-determination is the only consideration and that territorial integrity is a big lie that can't be applied in this discussion. However, don't worry, the campaign of misinformation that Argentina is undertaking is not enough to hide the truth. All the world knows that these Islands belong to the UK and everybody knows that they will belong to the UK for ever. The Argentinian pirates won't be able to change this truth. They don't have any valid argument, as they only have their revisionist version of history and proximity to rely on. The truth clearly is prevailing.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Crackpot It is easy to change the paragraphs written of others. It is the easiest way to change the truth and the easiest way to tell lies. However, obviously, everybody knows that it is the way used by british because they don´t have any own valid argument to continue stealing the Islands. Please “Crackpot”, Be more original and make a little effort to write some paragraph by yourself !!!!
Feb 11th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Dany you are clearly deluded.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One plutonian produced as a by product in a nuclear prower station is no where near capable of being used as a nuclear warhead material, your own aticle makes it clear it can be used in an A-bomb (fission reaction), thats an atomic bomb, nut a nuclear bomb, also known as H-Bomb (Fusion reaction) which is far more powerful. The plutonian produced by a nuclear power station is no where near the grade needed for a H-bomb and could only be used in an A-bomb which has very limited destruction range.
Also you then need to have the technology for delivery of the weapon and the warhead trigger itself, which is very very advance technology, hence why only a few countries have been able to do it. Also for your information the UK did develop its own nuclear bomb which was very successfull, i suggest you do some research on the UK's nuclear testing back int he 60/70's. It was only because our bomb was better than the americans that the americans preassured us in to accepting their nuclear technology.
Argentina has never developed or even had a ballistic missle, as pointed out by xect, the condur was develop in europe, but never tested. Same for your nuclear power technology largely coming from Germany and canada as Xect also correctly pointed out.
As for how many Argies work at nasa, not very many compared the how many brits and americans work at nase and have actually been to space.
As for finances, well for a start it would cost you billions in research alone, and yes you would have to buy and import parts, because you simply do not have the manufacturing and scientific or engineering infastucture to produce your own parts, hell you had to buy your submarines and navy ships from other countries same with all your military assets and weapons, and you expect us to believe you can build your own ballistic missle lol.
Argentina is nothing but an annoying blimp on both the UK and the USA's radar, nothing more. You are deluded beyond any help.
@55 johnfarrel2050
Feb 11th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the world sees is the British defending the rights of the Islanders, and the territorial integrity of British sovereign territories in the S Alantic, against Argintinian aggression and colonial expanism.
Why do both Chile and Brazil buy military equipment from UK, because they know it will work against Argentina.
Timerman showed the world that your military intelegence about the S Atlantic is as flawed as your version of history of the region.
@63 Johnfarrel: “Please “Crackpot”, Be more original and make a little effort to write some paragraph by yourself !!!!”
Feb 11th, 2012 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone can come up with the same old tripe over and over again. Please try and back it up with some evidence or something orignal next time. Do you have a database of stock phrases from the “Banana Republic Handbook for Boys” where you just fill in the words “UK” or “Argentina”, as appropriate, because that's what it sounds like. My reply was simply to emphasise just how meaningless everything you write is - utter nonsense with no substance. Saying that, it certainly sounds far more convincing my way around.
UK is the first colonialist country around the world. Uk always tried to show as an imperial and colonialist country. But don´t worry this country is clearly weaker than some decades ago and will be weaker in the future and the imperialism and the colonialism is not accepted around the world. Uk doesn´t want to accept this fact but this fact can´t be changed. A lot of territories stolen by uk are still claimed for different countries ( Argentina, Chile, Spain among others). It´s clear, that all South America support the position of Argentina in relation of the Malvinas Islands discussion. Also there are a lot of countries around the world, the United Nations, the OEA, Mercosur, Alba, are requesting since long time ago to both countries to begin the sovereign negotiation. However uk doesn´t want to hear. This country only hear what it want, but it hasn´t any argument to continue with this colony.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0John even thought about school? How about the UN policy of self determination?
Feb 11th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its also clear that Argentina doesn't have complete support in South America. You must go to the same school of idiotic rhetoric as Timmerman?
OEA, Mercosur and Alba are for the most part the same thing regardless of how many names you may give them.
Self determination doesn´t apply in this case. The party in conflict here are UK and Argentina, and they need to solve this problem with negotiations. All South America, UN, OEA, Mercosur, Alba, different countries of North America (including US), different countries of Europe (including Spain and Portugal), and Some countries of Africa, are asking to the parties to begin the negotiations. However uk doesn´t want to hear this country only try to impose it´s ideas using the military force.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 069 johnfarrel2050
Feb 11th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who says self determination doesn't apply?
The UN says it does, so who appointed you to decide?
And Ban Ki-moon said he would be prepared to mediate 'if asked'. That doesn't sound like asking for negotiations to me.
'How many times must Argentine authorities say that there will be no use of force? How many fu@#en times before it finally f@#ken sinks in?'
Feb 11th, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, the Argentine government insisted that there would be no use of force before the last invasion, so the claim will only sinkin when Argentina is incapable of using force.
n 1984, the General Assembly adopted Resolution 39/6, in which he recalled the previous on the Malvinas issue and noted ”with concern that despite the time elapsed since the adoption of resolution 2065 (XX), prolonged controversy that still has not been resolved”. In 1985, through Resolution 40/21, the Assembly again urged the parties to solve the dispute through negotiations pending, rejecting the two proposed amendments by the United Kingdom sought to introduce in the preamble and the operative part of the principle of self-determination, as inapplicable to the Malvinas question was thus ratified. This Resolution was adopted by a large majority of 107 votes in favor, 41 abstentions and only 4 countries against, with Britain among the latter. In the years after the Assembly adopted resolutions similar: 41/40 in 1986, 42/19 in 1987 and 43/25 in 1988. Thereafter, the Special Committee on decolonization, with the subsequent approval of the General Assembly has adopted annually to present the resolutions on the Question of the Malvinas Islands, which reiterates the call to the parties to resume negotiations in order to find a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it is fun all this talk about Empire, what do they teach you people in argentina?
Feb 11th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the british empire is history no one in the real world talks about it any more apart from when we debate HISTORY. it was replaced be the Commonwealth of nations. i do wish you would teach your self more about the world.
56 Conqueror (#)
Feb 11th, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you so emotional? Why can't you behave as a good inhabitant of the former British Empire MUST? You make the British look Brutish and Uncivilized!
So breath deeply, relax, and sleep well.
Everybody knows what is the fact, uk wants to continue been a Pirate Empire. Obviously the names were changed to be more “politically accepted” but it is the same with different name. But sooner or later it will change because the world doesn´t accept explanations of a country stealing territories of others.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 074 nyaria. thats rich from someone who wants to steal someone else land lol :p
Feb 11th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''Addressing the first meeting of the 2011 substantive session of the Special Committee on Decolonization, United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called today for “concrete results” in the quest for self-determination by the world’s 16 remaining Non-Self-Governing Territories''
Feb 11th, 2012 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is the Falkland Islands one of the 16 non- self- governing territories or is it not?
Where does it say 'oh apart from the Falklands, because Argentina would like to own them'? Where?
That's right, nowhere.
That's because the UN will never be a party to our subjugation by you.
@63, 67, 69 & 72 OK sh*tface. We'll give you a chance. Trace all the relevant history of the Falkland Islands from 1690. Explain why Britain and the Falkland Islanders have no claim. Explain why Argentina does. Let's have everything together with verifiable references/links. make sure you list everything. One omission could make you look like the biggest prat of all time. Not that you aren't. Now I'm going to put my money on two possibilities. Either you will never respond to what I have asked you to do. OR you will come out with a load of unprovable garbage. I'm waiting!
Feb 11th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@57 Who asked you, garbage? What are you? Another illegal immigrant to the United States? Another smart f*cker who knows nothing? Notice that I have responded to your sh*t. Something that you have never had the courtesy to do.
So f*ck off, motherf*cker!
@Johnfarrel - The resolutions you say we refuse to comply with were complied with. We entered talks with argentina, and they did not call for talks on sovereignty but for return to diplomatic channels. it was through the resumtion of diplomacy between the UK and argentina that joint fisheries and exploration for oil etc where signed, it was then argentina under the CFK and her precious hubbies leadership, that withdraw from the discussions and joint fisheries and exploration agreements not the UK. So you basically calling on us to comply with a resolution that we had already complied with, where it was yourselves that withdraw from complying with the resolution when you withdraw from discussions and joint agreements. Hypocrites.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@57, 63, 67, 69 & 72 I need to make sure that you understand that you will need to find somewhere else to respond. The reason for that is that I rarely return to determine whether t*rds have floated to the surface.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Danny Berger
Feb 11th, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL! Stick to the script! You're supposed to be acting like you don't plan to use military aggression. CFK is playing the innocent peaceful nation card at the moment. You're spoiling their bullshit facade. LOL!
i find it funny that while the UK was helping to write the UN guide lines in 1945, argentina was a fascist state under a peronist goverment. a warning from history anyone? unlike in europe, where fascism was destroyed in a world war. it was left to fester in argentina for decedes. i don't mean this as a insult. im just stating world history. i think its a shame argentin people can't debate there own history.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@67 johnfarrel
Feb 11th, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am somewhat puzzled by your statement that UK is the first colonialist country in the world. Have you ever heard of Spain or Portugal? Did not these two countries colonise the bulk of S.America. If not, why are you not speaking English as your national language. Argentina was colonised by the Spanish in the 16th century. So, in effect, you are colonialists who seized the land from the indigenous population by a process of force and extermination. Whatever your views on the Falklands/Malvinas, Britain did not wipe out and seize the land from a native population.
As to the position of British forces on the Falklands, this is because we are not sure that your government can be trusted.
If your country stopped shouting about sovereignty and had a gentle approach as good neighbours then sometime in the future the Falklanders may consider some form of Argentinian input into control of the islands but everytime they hear the cry of the Malvinas are ours and we want them now, that date disappears well into the future - or possibly never.
Also, could you supply me with a list of colonies that Britain still has. I am not aware of any that we are holding on to by force or against the wishes of the local populations.
Woman up plastic ugly lady........boo hooooo who went crying to the UN and who has pretty much lost all the sympathy she may have had from other Country's stupid cow, the Navy have been coming here for the last 3o years oh dear me look at the facts first before you send silly people to speak on your behalf ha ha CFK you are the one that has been bullying us, get a life, get real he who has the last laugh last louder.... gotta go TTFN old bean
Feb 11th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@The Falklands are British
Feb 11th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I’m not Argentinian to start with I’m German born and grow up in Italy now living in Argentina and you are not Brits at least the majority of you here.
@Teaboy2
1-You don’t know nothing about it, Plutonium is getting from raw uranium by the process of enrichment.
Wasted fuel is grade enriched by irradiation and by reprocessing in a centrifuge plant with gas you get Weapons-Grade Plutonium. Is what Iran is trying to do, why do you thing US want to keep an eye over wasted fuel from nuclear power plants?
“Spent fuel can be reprocessed to make plutonium, possible bomb material, but Western worries about Iran's nuclear activities are focused on its enrichment of uranium, which can also provide the core of nuclear weapons if refined much more.” http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/05/us-nuclear-iran-fuel-idUSTRE80413H20120105
“Nuclear reprocessing technology was developed to chemically separate and recover fissionable plutonium from irradiated nuclear fuel. Reprocessing serves multiple purposes, whose relative importance has changed over time. Originally reprocessing was used solely to extract plutonium for producing nuclear weapons.”
Argentina has already developed plants to enrich uranium According with US they could made 10 nuclear devices at year if they want.
2- Don’t be silly please advanced for whom? You? Just an implosion to create the nuclear reaction and voila you are cooked. If they don’t bomb you it is because they don’t want that’s all.
Delivery? Well that wouldn’t be so difficult for the argies but they can always use A380 with some middle east UK hater as a pilot for the job. Ha ha
All your nuclear tech comes from USA and USA acquired it from Germany you are not even able to put a sat into space in the near future the argies can. So how long do you think they will take to assemble a nuke to reach London if UK push too far?
Now make your research before type again please.
Dany Berger
Feb 11th, 2012 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I’m not Argentinian to start with I’m German born and grow up in Italy now living in Argentina and you are not Brits at least the majority of you here.
Oh, so you're a Sour Kraut with more reverse gears on your car than forward gears.
I am British and I have a passport to prove it.
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Feb 11th, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 087 just awesome :)
Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i said i wasn't british at some point, i've changed my mine!. im Cornish, then british, then im european. And due to all the laughtable argentine nationalism i've read on this site, i'm now a die-hard supporter of the falklanders :) thanx argentina!
@ 87 - Damn you beat me too it!!!(LOL)
Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Danny burger has'nt actually looked up any facts about the UK nuclear deterrent before he posted. Perhaps I should spell out to him that the 1st British nuclear devices had to be built from scratch because the USA would'nt share the technology with us. He forgets or does not know that a lot of the pioneers in nuclear research were Brits (like Rutherford).
He also does'nt know that making a viable bomb and delivery system takes years and a lot of testing.
He probably does'nt know that we also have a space industry - which successfully builds satellites. We also have SKYLON a promising design for a SSTO spaceplane.
The stupid claims about HMS Vanguard really made me laugh. The Argentinians just made it up, knowing we would issue a blanket “no comment” about her whereabouts.
HMS Vanguard could hit any target in Argentina from a position in the Bay of Biscay - why would it need to be deployed closer to potential counter detection and attack?
The claim just looked like staged hysteria, and was frankly pathetic and laughable. It was, absolute, fabricated idiocy.
@nyaria2000 (#) I too can quote churchill ”Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival.”
We will beat you in any struggle you choose - diplomatic, economic, or military.
NO SURRENDER TO ARGENTINE AGGRESSION. NO SELL OUT OF BRITISH PEOPLE. NO NEGOTIATION WITH FASCISTS.
”UN British ambassador warned Argentina on Friday that Britain would “robustly” defend the Falkland(Malvinas) Islands”
Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The rationale behind Argentinian moves are diplomatic.
The one who seems to have sunk in a fear and paranoid hole is UK.
Please send more nuclear subs! Thanks for helping our cause Cameron.
90 marcos alejandro
Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i was wondering what argentin people thought of Timerman's speach?
Lol Argentina. We could always “accidentally” Buenos Aires ; )
Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 092 Or Britain?
Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HMS Astute, not so much
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Regw-AhXI
Lol, so try it, see what happens : )
Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 079 @Teaboy2 what you say is not true, if UK is open to accomplish this resolutions then this country must negotiate the sovereign now without spending more time telling more lies.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos Alejandro silly boy
Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As the man said, if you did not invade in the first place, we would not be here now,
It seems CFK is denying the bloody war ever took place,
Let face it,
2012 the year of the British, and the end of CFK,
She has just run out of things to bribe her people with,
Her word s will go down in history,
As the only leader who climbed to the top, and achieve precisely
nothing.
95johnfarrel
Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you don't seem to understand their cannot be any negotion, until you stop bullying the islanders. and in the end its up to them :p
Uruguay's latest staements. As the OAS before them, Uruguay also disapproves of the militarisation in the South Atlantic.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is cut and pasted from the Buenos Aires Herald
Uruguay is concerned over the “militarization of the South Atlantic,” within the framework of the Argentine-UK dispute over the sovereignty of the Malvinas islands, Uruguayan Foreign Minister Luis Almagro said today.
“This is a very strong scenario. We are worried over the militarization of the South Atlantic. This definitely goes against UN resolutions. It also goes against the resolution that urges both countries to discuss the sovereignty of the Malvinas islands to solve this conflict in a peaceful manner,” he added.
“In addition, it goes against having a colony in the continent and to think that it can be sustained by force. All of this gathers elements that we obviously do not like,” Almagro explained.
Argentine Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman yesterday accused the UK of entering nuclear weapons in the South Atlantic, part of a “militarization” process and filed a formal complaint before the UN.
As the 30th anniversary of the Malvinas islands war approaches, tension between Argentina and UK have mounted in the last weeks.
93 Sante Fe not so much
Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(sunk by small arms fire)
or maybe the rusting hulks of submarines that you intend to add nuke reactor to good luck with that one. We must underestimate the Argentine Military Intelligence if they can track a Vanguard Class Submarine, or maybe they made it up to tell teacher. As posted earlier a trident sub wouldnt need to be anywhere near Argentina and why on earth would we station one there. Its all Argie propaganda maybe an ex nazi is still alive and helping them with it.
The Vanguard class can actually hit Argentina with its missiles whilst in bay in England and putting it off their coast doesn't really make much sense. Its missiles can go in-excess of 7,500 miles.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It will most likely be the Trafalgar class of submarine if anything near Argentine waters but this won't be any different than what the UK has done over the past 30 years.
What is there, is purely your imagination,
Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yours and only yours,
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@ Danny i know perfectly well how enrichment works, its you that simply doesn't get it. Argentina doe not have the infastructure to enrich it to weapons grade in fact you'd be lucky to get an A-Bomb from the plutonian by product of nuclear fuel cells.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not only that, argentina does not have the abilty or technology to build a ballistic missle let alone the money to finance such a nuclear weapons program. If it was as easy as you seem to think it is, then please explain why every other nations struggled and spent years developing a nuclear bomb and more so, why Argentina still have not got one. Its because that CAN NOT build one as they do not have the means or the ability or the finances to do it.
@90 I would refer you to #8....
Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you not have
Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Phase 7 ?
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My opinion this debate will go on for many many years to come considering its in the Argentine constitution to try claim for the Falkland Islands, sounds like CFK has got the majority of Latin America behind them but I think that will be short lived when they found out its for self-greed, well considering that they announce recently that they anticipate a ‘difficult’ year for the Treasury and the Argentine economy. and the fact inflation his getting higher by the month, My question is “ What will CFK do next if the islanders dont budge on negations ?, CFK Will they try to deport the Welsh from Patagonia because of the British inheritance or stop British flags from flying in the South Atlantic, or even worse deport the British residentss from living in Argentina. where will CFK madness stop I wonder... We back the Falkland Islanders 100%, We wont sell them out ” like CFK is trying to sell out the mines in La Rioja for greed even though there is a mass protest for it not to happen.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@103 I would refer you to pastor Ben...
Feb 11th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0None of your business.
if she fails to get themn, this year, does anyone know who is next on the list,
Feb 11th, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just a thought .
I suppose it will be back to abusing the IMF once more for CFK.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As if the IMF needs anyone to abuse them *lol*
Feb 11th, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0with their track record, they need no one to criticize them.
I agree poster 109 although CFK keeps a special place in her heart for them!
Feb 11th, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0true poster 110. I guess after so many years of the IMF giving out advice as if they were the authority, it might be only natural to remind once and again that they were wrong many times over. Specially now when they seem to think they can still give out advice without openly acknowledging how many times over they got it wrong and the harm that caused
Feb 11th, 2012 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 2 They do what they do because it's their land and because they can do it. When you can, you can, when you can't, you can't. Do you understand now? Cristina will protect you, don't fear :)
Feb 11th, 2012 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@112
Feb 11th, 2012 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0riveting analysis there mate! Ground breaking....
This discussion has reached the level of an argument on the level of kids arguing in a school playground. Who in their right mind is talking about nuclear devices being used against any country. Britain would never use nuclear weapons against a conventional attack from any country. The idea that we would want to do any harm against Argentina is nonsense. In the last Falklands conflict we could have sunk your navy in its port and taken out your mainland airfields with submarine or air launched missiles but we did not.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please keep the discussion on an adult level - maybe we both have something to learn from each others opinion.
As to submarine deployments, no RN ballistic missile submarine would be anywhere near Argentina. For all you know there could be US Russian subs. cruising off the S. American coast - they would never say.
Despite all the increasingly hysterical comments form many opposing quarters on many worldwide 'forums', with wholly distorted and deliberately twisted reasoning, there is only one single matter that is reasonable, clear, and completely unambiguous. Self determination for all the population (excluding military forces) of the islands. This could be settled right now by the UK/Falklands Island Government inviting an independent UN body to visit and conduct a referendum in accordance with the highest polling standards (they could even visit each and every islander personally) to ascertain the Islanders final binding wishes. This principle is enshrined in the UN charter and would silence any further claims by all sovereign countries over the Islands. I sincerely believe that an extremely high percentage would vote to remain under British protection. It was my pleasure to meet the Hon. Harold Rowlands OBE back in July 1984 and it was absolutely obvious that the Falkland Islanders were as British as anyone else from the United Kingdom. Their dignity and integrity, sense of decency and democracy is what sets them worlds apart from those who wish to annex and purge them.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0The real.significance of this thread is conqui is.showing some.signs of lucidity.I wonder why us it because his sexual opression has been momentarily sated or his pain threshold has been helped by his latest.Colombian.supplier.Anyway.Conqui good to.see.you better even if we both know.you wouldbt hit a whhelbarrow fron 10 metres
Feb 12th, 2012 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0@115
Feb 12th, 2012 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Self-determination you say? Last time I checked the islanders are full fledged British citizens. Why do they need to self-determine? That is only for populations that do not have citizenship to a State and wish to achieve that.
Besides, you cannot take by for a territory, transport population nearly 10,000 km and then argue for their independence and EXPECT that those who lost the territory by force will say ok....
@ 116 Malvinists, you're so funny, and none of you live in Argentina! I would love to see what pr*cks like Ogara who lives in Europe, would do if a war between the UK and Argentina started someday. He's so brave that he would fly to Argentina to defend the country he loves so much. Wouldn't you do that Ogara? Nah. Keep barking from Europe, greetings from Argentina, Ogara :)
Feb 12th, 2012 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 113 Where do you live Helbert the patriot, in England, Canada, New Zealand? Queen Elizabeth II is better than Cristina, isn't she? :)
It's none of your fu@#n business were I live poster #118. Deal with the arguments and live private info where it should be.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@117
Feb 12th, 2012 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0If everyone has the best interests of a small number of islanders at heart, let them hold a referendum as to who they wish to be? Let the UN conduct this and accept their final and binding decision. I'm quite sure they do not wish to 'disappear' without a trace if they were to become Argentinian.
Surely this would be the best proposition for the Argentine Foreign Minister to push at the UN? No need for negotiation or militarisation or indeed armed conflict, and all resolved very quickly. If Argentina truely believes in democracy, good civil governance, rule of law by consent it has nothing to be worried about.
#117
Feb 12th, 2012 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Which part of “taking a territory by force and then shipping population for nearly 10,000 km” do you fail to comprehend???
I agree with ”114 Clyde15 (#)” this discussion has become very childish and neither side of the debate will ever agree to disagree ! but I would like to say ! If you wish to make a comment try spell check before you send it and ask a grown up to word it for you, some of the translation is terrible.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 122 lol
Feb 12th, 2012 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@121
Feb 12th, 2012 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is that quoted from any official legal treaty or document or just your own expression? I fully understand its meaning and your interpretation of the islands history from an Argentinian perspective, but as this is now 2012 and as a civilised & internationally law abiding nation surely Argentina is happy to abide by any UN move to resolve this matter in a democratic and transparent way accepting the wishes of those who live in the islands? If they chose to be Argentinians would they be allowed to continue with their culture and current way of life undisturbed?
of course they would! Why would Argentina want to change their culture and way of life? I think Argentina has shown throughout its history for being a multicultural nation and one that welcomes people irrespective of where they come from or what their cultural background is.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@121 Helber,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Except(& accept)that you are wrong, Helber.
We've been through all this before & you know that you are wrong.
lf you are an Argentine then you are“implanted”, unless of course you are one of those increasing number of Argentines that have native people's blood.LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL Bloody LOL!
Methinks that the only native people's blood is blood on the hands of 19th century Argentines!
So your arguments fall flat on their face dear, cute eyes, Helber.*sigh*
Unlike the Malvinas Isolde, Argentina does have an indigenous population.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oil Oil Oil -
Feb 12th, 2012 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/12/un-supports-falklanders-oil-rights/
Helter - what's left of it, you mean !
@125
Feb 12th, 2012 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's very reassuring, and I totally accept the multicultural aspect of Argentina, given it's long history of English, Scottish, Welsh and German immigration amongst others, but is appears to have a less reassuring history of democracy and open political tolerance over the last 50/60 years. I'm sure the general populace have those genuine qualities, but can the same reassurance be given by the ruling classes?
FINALLY, ENGLAND DECIDED TO POISON THE SOUTH ATLANTIC WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS, TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO STILL WILL NOT RETURN TO THE ONLY REGION WITHOUT THEIR POISSON LIFE STYLE AND GREEDY AUTO-DERTMINATIONS STRATEGIES.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0THEY MISS WWI AND WWII. THEY LOVE TO BE BARBARIANS WHO GO TO CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY.
I AM SORRY FOR ALL THOSE IN LATIN-AMERICANS WHO WERE NOT BORN
ENGLAND CONTINUES TO DARK THE WORLD WITH ITS EMPIRE
THANK YOU TO THE ROYAL FAMILY AND THEIR POOR FIRST CLASS SERVANTS
Falklands oilfields could yield $176bn tax windfall
Feb 12th, 2012 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands stand to benefit from an enormous $176bn (£111.7bn) tax windfall from oil and gas exploration, according to a major new report.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9076530/Falklands-oilfields-could-yield-176bn-tax-windfall.html
And yes Cheys like I warned you - the british government will be sending a delegation to you shortly to tell you that the british taxpayer will expect a cut and if you refuse then you will suddenly discover that you become a british colony again ruled from London.
You might be better off sending a letter to La-Presidenta as soon as possible as she already said that even if you find a lake of oil larger than saudi arabia she will allow you full control over it.
You can kiss it goodbye if Cameron gets his hands on it because you know how the british want that money to save their banks !!!
@ 127 You don't live in Argentina, Helbert. The Falklanders are indigenous to the Falkland Islands, but apparently you know more than the rest of the world, Helbert :)
Feb 12th, 2012 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@117 Helber Galarga “you cannot take by force a territory, transport population nearly 10,000 km and then argue for their independence and EXPECT that those who lost the territory by force will say ok....”
Feb 12th, 2012 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can you really say that with a straight face and not feel that you're being ever so slightly hypocritical.
Let us recap on how most of the countries in the Americas came into being:
1) Take the territory by force....tick
2) Transport population 5-10,000 km and deposit in said territory...tick
3) Kill a large proportion of the indigenous population....tick
4) Argue for independence (without asking what's left of the indigenous population if it is ok)....tick
5) Grab as much of the surrounding territory as possible while killing some more of the remaining indigenous population....tick
6) Carry on as if nothing had happened....tick
That's the way it tended to happen in general and we can't turn back time and put it right. Unfortunately, it was just par for the course and most of the great European seafaring nations got involved to some extent. And let's not forget that those seeking independence were largely the colonists (and descendents of colonists) themselves and not some innocent bystanders who had nothing to do with the whole process.
So far, the history of Falkland Islands has involved point 2 and possibly (depending on which side of the fence you are on) point 1. Unlike much of the Americas, they have a remarkably unblemished record and have far more right to their territory than most others, especially as they didn't have to move any indigenous population out of the way. All they have done is take a windswept group of remote uninhabited islands and turn it into a thriving community through hard work and perseverence. Only they (and to some extent the nation that steered them) can have any say in what they do want to do with the Islands. Argentina does not even enter into the equation.
Crackpot,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0How is the Falkland Islands Wolf doing? Uninhabited islands? (since so many here like for whatever reason to bring up the environment of Argentina, which is actually pretty good).
“Unlike the Malvinas Isolde, Argentina does have an indigenous population.”
Feb 12th, 2012 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0You mean: Unlike the Malvinas Isolde, Argentina did have an indigenous population until it was exterminated.
Which part of “taking a territory by force and then shipping population for nearly 10,000 km” does not apply to Argentina? With the bonus of exterminating the previous inhabitants.
In fact, the Falkland Islands were not inhabited by people shipped nearly 10000 km; quite a large proportion are descended from South Americans, although- or therefore- they are no more enthusiastic about Argentine rule as a result.
Poor British colony. The poor islanders demand their rights to be respected and in response they are asked for dialogue. They MUST strengthen their armaments in case they are asked for dialogue again.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0While UK is SO FAR AWAY, no one understands that they have rights to occupy the usurped land. Thieve's rights must be respected!
Nobody understands that the British colony of CRIMINAL OFFENDERS THIEVES, has right to continue living in a land that they have already stolen? Because THEY HAVE ALREADY STOLEN. WHY SHOULD THEY TALK?
“Respect! The prince! The queen! Long life! The UK! Squatters rights! Nuclear weapons!” all crap
@130 you are not first “.....THE ONLY REGION WITHOUT THEIR POISSON LIFE STYLE .....”
Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0If we want to live like fish, then we darn well will live like fish. It is our God-given right and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
@132 you say “The Falklanders are indigenous to the Falkland Islands”
Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you for real? they are as indigenous to the islands as breast implants are to boobs!
Second you say I don't live in Argentina. As I told you before none of your fu@#en business where I live!
@129 you say “I'm sure the general populace have those genuine qualities, but can the same reassurance be given by the ruling classes?”
Where do you think the ruling classes is drawn from mate? Mars? Maybe Neptune? Or do we import the ruling class from Timphu?
@135 you say “With the bonus of exterminating the previous inhabitants”
Your are spot off! the indigenous communities in Argentina continue to live despite the harm meted out to them! Additionally, there is a hug mestizo population too!
You seem to write with out any knowledge of what Argenitna is like. Have you been to Chaco? What about Neuquen? *roll eyes*
136 Cero
Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like all the Argentine Falkland Fanatics you are a MORON. Go home and play with your dummies.
You are all totally thick.
You think you can come on here and intimidate us from your armchairs and you cheap Argentine tobacco and alcohol. You are all full of shit.
You are a Nazi cunt Cero, Think, O gara, Helber Galarga. Nazi's and full of shit.
Raped any left wing terrorists lately O gara ? Think?
I bet you were all up to your necks in murdering those poor children during the 70's and 80's. You brave nationalist fanatics. I bet you caved out a few of those Argentine dissidents. War criminals. That's all your country has to offer us. As brave as Astiz, what a brave man. I would pull the heads of each and every one of you if you steps one foot on these islands and I'd kick them around like a football. You're all cowards, full of shit. Thick you can take other peoples land, think you can intimidate us, threaten us, blockade us, harass us, insult us, try doing that to our face. Not one of you would live past ten seconds. Not one of you has any guts, just bags of pus, insults, threats, from your armchairs you coward slime balls.
I curse the lot of you to rot in hell with your Nazi country.
lsolde,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is for you.
“De acuerdo con los resultados de un estudio realizado por Daniel Corach en 2005 se estima que un 90% de la población tiene algún antepasado europeo, un 56% tiene algún antepasado indígena, y alrededor del 3% algún antepasado africano. Del porcentaje que portaba sangre amerindia, un 10% podría ser considerado Amerindio puro.”
Here says 90% of people has at least one European ancestor, 3% at least one African ancestor and 56% at least an Amerindian ancestor. Of that 56% of people, 10% are pure blood Amerindian.
http://edant.clarin.com/diario/2005/01/16/sociedad/s-03415.htm
Get your facts right before laughing on the truth.
139 AndyMac (#)
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you so nervous and insulting? That behavior makes the Brits look uncivilized. Oh, I see! It is because you have run out of solid arguments.
Cordially, your Argie friend
AndyMac, you have no sense of reality. You can keep telling crap because nothing change the fact that you are usurpers.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0@138 Helber Galarga “they are as indigenous to the islands as breast implants are to boobs!”
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, I would be interested to hear your definition of what constitutes indigenous. Take any “indigenous” people in the world and you will find that, at some point in their history, they migrated to the place they are now considered indigenous to. In many cases, there were probably people there before them, but they are now long gone. How long do they have to be there before they are classed as indigenous?
The Falkland Islanders are the only people to have permanently settled the Falkland Islands. There might have been some Amerindians there at some point a very long time ago, but they are long gone. Any other Europeans who might have predated the ancestors of the current Falkland Islanders also don't count, because they too are long gone and were too transient anyway to establish any real cultural connection with the Islands.
The very least that you could call the Falkland islanders would be a “recent indigenous population”. No other population has any cultural connection with the Islands.
Claiming the Islands certainly is part of the Argentinian peoples culture, but that is where it ends (in spite of what they get taught at school). It doesn't count if you've never inhabited the place or and never played a part in it's development.
sorry guys, you are a colony. islands does not belong to you,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@144:
Feb 12th, 2012 - 04:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0From zero to..........nope, still zero.
yes, maybe. islands are still a colony (“taken” lands)
Feb 12th, 2012 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0British Overseas Territory if you don't mind. A seperate entity - Resolution 2625 says so !
Feb 12th, 2012 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0british STOLEN territory, if you don't mind. you can call it anyway, but it is more appropriate to call things by their name
Feb 12th, 2012 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Distorting the facts again ??
Feb 12th, 2012 - 05:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has a reputation for that !
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/12/falklands-governor-accuses-argentina-of-distorting-history/
Britain reputation of distorting history and name changing..
Feb 12th, 2012 - 05:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0”The Chagos Islands became like the Falkands and a dozen other small remnants of the British Empire around the world, a Crown Colony. (Later, in a terminological manoevre to deal with the fact that the tide of world opinion had turned against colonialism, the British Crown Colonies were re-named by an act of Parliament as the British Dependent Territories; and they were subsequently re-named again as the British Overseas Territories.)
@137 Crackpot,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0That would have gone completely over the idiots head.
Français?
@140JuanStanic,
After every other lie that your country has published l would have very grave doubts about believing anything that you print.
l stand by what l believe.
Argentines love to tell the rest of South America how pure European that they are, but when confronted with Amerindian genocide;-
“Oh no, we've all got lndian blood”.
Do they teach you to lie at school, Juan? Or does it just come naturally to you as a nation?
Of course your biggest lie is that you own the Falklands, when some simple research would prove to you that you do not.
So forgive me if l start laughing at you again! lol lol lol .
@144 Cero,
Even if we were(l said“even”), what's it got to do with you?
We will live the way we like on OUR land.
Keep your nose out of our affairs.
Latest reports are that projected benefits for the Falkland Islanders of the future oil bonanza could be in the region of $180 billion making it the South Atlantic version of Kuwait or Qatar but much richer per capita. That means approx $60,000,000 per islander.(I hope I haven't missed out any zeros).
Feb 12th, 2012 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even allowing for the City of London's cut when investing the sovereign wealth fund it still means an awful lot of money to be spent upgrading facilities on the islands as well as investing elsewhere.
Falkland islanders know who their friends are in the region as well as in the UK and other British overseas territories.They will be becoming rich ' beyond their wildest dreams' just as the Argentina's 'economic miracle' implodes.
That will teach the wicked witch to throw her toys out of the pram. Argentina could have had a 50% cut under joint exploration agreements.
If there ever was a possibility of a British government trying to convince the islanders to accept Argentine sovereignty before there is absolutely zero chance now. The landscape has changed utterly just as it did at the time of the invasion.
The strongest guarantor of the islanders right to decide their own future is the British people. When Bliar tried to pressure the Gibraltarians into accepting joint sovereignty in return for a short term alliance with some Spanish politicos various Labour politicians ,notably Andrew Mackinley,
told him he would not get away with it either politically or with the British people.
The same situation applies to the Falklands but with gold plated knobs on.
Helber 117,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Self-determination you say? Last time I checked the islanders are full fledged British citizens. Why do they need to self-determine? That is only for populations that do not have citizenship to a State and wish to achieve that.”
Hmm. Let's see what the situation is with the other territories on the UN's list, shall we?
Anguilla, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar, Montserrat, Pitcairn Islands, Saint Helena, and Turks and Caicos Islands.
All full fledged British citizens.
What about the non British territories on the list?
New Caledonia. Full fledged French citizens
US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, and Guam. All full fledged US citizens
Tokelau. Full fledged New Zealand citizens.
So, according to you all these territories are not entitled to self determination even though the UN says they are.
Latest reports are that projected benefits for the Falkland Islanders of the future oil bonanza could be in the region of $180 billion making it the South Atlantic version of Kuwait or Qatar but much richer per capita. That means approx $60,000,000 per islander.(I hope I haven't missed out any zeros).
Feb 12th, 2012 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The stupid brits thinks they will become rich.......AHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHA!
FIrst you HAVE TO FIND OIL! IMBECILE!!
Idiota; Rockhopper has already found oil.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0These Argies are really floating round on cloud cuckooland with their talk of Vanguard submarines and their missiles being needed to see off the Argentine pitchfork Army, falling out of the sky Mirages and Skyhawks and their 1970,s rowing boat navy.
Clarin reports that even before the oil the per capita income in the Falklands is in the region of $65,000 as compared to $14,700 in Argentina, The Falkland islanders are not stupid enough to link up with an impoverished third world country (South Africa is richer) even before the looney fascist peronist politics are thrown in.
CFK is so insistent on her MALVINICATION that there are rumours in BA that she is going to change her name to Mrs Malvina Malvinas.
I think its time to send Jeremy Clarkson to take charge of the diplomatic efforts.
Idiota; Rockhopper has already found oil.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0These Argies are really floating round on cloud cuckooland with their talk of Vanguard submarines and their missiles being needed to see off the Argentine pitchfork Army, falling out of the sky Mirages and Skyhawks and their 1970,s rowing boat navy.IDIOT!!!!Do not worry,will get 2 Squadrons of SU30 and nukes also!!! You do not know what we have in store for the brits LIARS!!!!
Pinochio grant: “sayd Argentina has never had sovereignity on MAlvinas”
I hate you SUPER LIAR grant!LIAR to the core like lordtrash!!!
grant is a LIAR,LIAR LIAR!!
we don't think there is any other issue Argentina wishes to waste time on, we wish UK well but far far as far as they can be from Argentina, we know very well what UK is all about.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0156
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are in error.
Mr Grant speaks the truth in a calm and measured manner.
Now take your medication and try not to get so excited.....its not good for your health.
156
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0My daughter is training to be a psychologist and tells me some interesting little known facts such as Argentina has more psychologists and psychiatrists per capita than any other country.I wonder why that is.
Maybe it is to do with the intense nazi/communist style brainwashing regarding the Falkland islands and other aspects of truth denial in Argentina.
My advice is chill out and go for a long drive in the countryside.
156 Malvi
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Calm down Malvi. All that shouting and ranting is no good for you.
Take a few deep breaths and count to 10.
Okay, have you done that? Take a few more deep breaths and listen up.
What's all this talk about aggression? Argentina is nothing but a peace-loving nation. CFK said military force is the last thing on her mind. You hold all of the diplomatic cards. It's only a matter of time before the entire world is on your side and then Britain will be left with no choice but to hand the islands over to you. Remember?
Now, what's all this silly talk about nukes and other things? That's no way for a nation of peaceful lovers to behave is it.
We know everything about your defence capabilitaries. Our intelligence systems are vast. There is nothing we don't know about your “military”. So don't worry. Everything will be okay. You have virtually no military capability by today's standards. Even by 1982 standards you have less than you did then.
There's not going to be any military action so relax and watch some free football on TV. We'll be busy drilling our oil but if you need anything please leave a message.
Are you sure you're okay if I leave you now? I am a little worried about you. Have you got your tablets? Don't forget to take them and try to get some sleep.
Try repeating this to yourself as you drift off into pleasant dreams.
Los Malvinos son Argentinos
Los Malvinas son Argentinos
Los Malvinos son Argentinos
los malvinos son argen...
los mal....... son argen......tinos
Los zzzzz.....zzzzzzzzz
Night night Malvi.
xx
156
Feb 12th, 2012 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry mate. Got you there with SU30,s. In war games with friendly countries which have SU30,s the Typhoon had a kill ratio of 5:1 over the SU30,s.The only fighter which bested the Typhoon was the F22 Raptor(definitely not the Rafaele) and I don,t see the Americans selling them overseas (and certainly not to Argentina) anytime soon ; even if Argentina could afford them.
@155 - Jeremy Clarkson - Our secret weapon (LOL). I agree - first flight to BA. Follow up with the rest of the top gear gang.......Argentina would'nt know what hit it.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now Now Malverino, have a little lie down. Are you FINISHED IMBECILE?
@ Pirat -hunter We would like you to stay far far away from us as well, and the Falklanders.
The oil has been found - what is at issue is how much. I hope there is a lot. The Falklanders would get rich and be able to plough a lot of investement into the islands, the UK mainland would get a cut from taxes, and help bail us out of the deep dark hole we are in, Argentina gets sweet F....A..... having cut their nose off to spite their face about the issue. Poetic justice in action.
As to the issue of hoiw indigenenous the Falklanders are:
A) Many of them can trace back their ancestry on the isalnds longer than many Argentinians can in their country.
B) They are the people actually living there now.
I always shake my head when Argentine posters call them “squatters” or “ususrpers”. The current inhabitants never removed anyone.
In fact if you check your history the illegal United provinces militia and flag was removed in 1833, most of the settlers stayed. We did'nt recognise your claim, it was attempted theft. You are complaining about something that happened almost 200 years ago. It is like us tring to reclaim Eire or Heligoland.
Calling the Falkanders names is a racist smokescreen to justify trampling over them. It is the first step in generating a mindset in which conquest is justified. It is easier to kill someone, kick them out of their home of force them into occupation if they are dehumanised.
This policy has been rammed home by successive Argentine governments using propaganda aimed at all ages.
Heresa thought, as we all know these argentine posters that are so against the falklanders right to self determination are paid by the argentine government to spent their day posting on here (check the times of there post and they post at all times, which implies they have no full time jobs). I wonder just how many of them, going by the delusionary views and context of their posts, are actually mental health patients that have been sectioned and locked up. I mean what better way for CFK to use people to post the crap they post, than to use those that are locked up in mental health units. No real argentinan would ever know or suspect that CFK of exploited the mental impaired argentinans now would they.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0And heres another thought, for all we know those argentine rioters could have been prisoners employed under promise of early release for taking part in the riots, you just have to look at how they all had identical wooden sticks and identical head scarfs, to see it was pre-organised and sponsered by the argentine government, off course their police in the photos were not wearing riot gear. Why? well because they were in on the plan, and knew they were never in any danger so had no need to wear hot and heavy riot gear, not even in the photos of the riots outside the british embassy where they wearing riot gear. Says alot really doesn't it.
@138
Feb 12th, 2012 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0“@129 you say “I'm sure the general populace have those genuine qualities, but can the same reassurance be given by the ruling classes?”
Where do you think the ruling classes is drawn from mate? Mars? Maybe Neptune? Or do we import the ruling class from Timphu? ”
Thank you for clarifying that small point for me, so you are confirming that the the general populace are complicit with torture, murder, 'disappeared' youth, protestors, opposition etc etc over the previous decades, as there is no political elite who try to hide information from or manipulate the electorate? Well I'm glad that's clear for me know. This is a very Darwinesq situation in that the Spanish are an educated, civilised law abiding people in a stunning country, but their Conquistador 'offspring' have developed in a wholly different direction as they propogate in different latitudes !
@162 shb,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0We swapped Heligoland with the German Empire for Zanzibar off the coast of East Africa.
Now Zanzibar is independent & we don't own it anymore.
Using Argentine logic we should ask for Heligoland back.
Put in a “claim” & whine & moan around the world about the “colonialist” Germans!
To any German posters here, l don't want your island, l'm only trying to show the illogicality of the malvinistas.
@156 Malvinero1,
Pull yourself together, man.
You're making a spectacle of yourself.
l hate to see grown men go to pieces.
lf l'm nice to you, will you behave yourself?
Peace xxxxx♥
163# Teaboy the fake,how easy it is to use your method of disguise,to explain what others do.How stupid you are.telling everyone what you do.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you think mercopress and it's posters are so important to opinion formation outside of it own readers.You're colonial mind once again revealed in it's arrogance.Much the same arrogance as Lyall-Grant's
Get back to your Internet million dollar business,you must keep your finger on the button.
165 lsolde (#)
Feb 12th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you playing the role of a seducing Mata Hari in this blog page? I would have expected a better role for a “proper British Lady.”
Oh say Hi to Tristan:o)
Best Regards from you Argie admirer:oO
@166 Yuleno - Touched a nerve did it? I fail to see how my post about you lot being paid to make posts by your goevernment and paid to riot by your government has anything to do with me being arrogant our implying i have a colonial mindset, after all the evidence suggest the rioters were organtised and the police not wearing riot gear suggests they knew they would not be targetted by the rioters for protecting property and the british embassy, which is further evidence the government was involved. After all normally protesters throw bricks, smash windows, and attack police in order to vent their anger and get into embassys and property to cause as much damage as possible. Throwing paint bombs and having identical headscarfs and sticks (which you would have thought were ment to be used to attack property and police but weren't) kind of proves it was an orcastrated riot.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and by the way, my business is not an internet based business, yes we have a website and sell from the website, but 99% of sales is from offline sales practices and contracts.
The only people here with the colonial mindset is you and your fellow argentines that believe the islands are yours and want to get them back, and remove the islanders or enforce argentine rule over the islanders despite their rights to self determination to choose themselves who rules their islands. It is not me or any other brit here that has such desire to colonies land that has not and never had belonged to us. No its you that is wanting to colonise not me and my fellow brits. So calling me arrogant in the same sentence as accusing me of having a colonial mindset is not only showing your own arrogance and ignorance of the islanders right to self determination, but it also clearly shows what a true hypocrite you and the rest of the argentines, who believe the islands are theirs, really are.
united provinces never had sovereignty of the islands as the borders were over 1000 miles apart, and patagonia wasn't urs in 1833
I think all threads like this do show is how barbaric and nasty the true side of Argentina really is.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They claim lets have peace, lets have dialogue but the picture above as been witnessed thousands of times in the past 50 years is clear, these people want to forcefully take British territory and evict the only native population from the islands.
And you expect Britain to engage in dialogue whilst you act like a bunch of low life scumbags? You people must be even more divorced from reality than I'd given you credit for.
Well done to Britain for standing up to the aggressor and having the military, economic and political strength to push the bully back down to where it came from. You should have learn't that Britain will only respond to aggression with an overwhelming amount of aggression in return, the UK does have no history of backing down to an aggressor and the sooner you learn that, the better your chances will be.
If Argentina is serious about the islands it needs to seek real peace, stop threatening the islanders and being so hostile towards them, build the relationship bridges and offer a real alternative to British rule and then it may have a chance but it will take a long time for the islanders to forget what you've done, build some trust in your motives and only then will you stand a chance of getting something that was never yours.
(165) lsolde
Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“We swapped Helgoland with the German Empire for Zanzibar off the coast of East Africa.
Now Zanzibar is independent & we don't own it anymore.
Using Argentine logic we should ask for Helgoland back.
Put in a “claim” & whine & moan around the world about the “colonialist” Germans!
To any German posters here, l don't want your island, l'm only trying to show the illogicality of the malvinistas.”
I say:
Funny you mention Helgoland......
Stolen from Denmark by the British Pirates in 1807...
The same year the British Pirate Fleet terror bombed Copenhagen, a defenseless civilian town.
Later, between 1947 and 1949 the British Pirates tried to blow the whole Island away by constant bombings.
Yes, Isolde Schnuckelchen, you name the place, any place...... and the bloody British Pirate history surfaces.....
152 STRATEGICUS
Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is Argentine oil, being drilled by colonial pirates, protect by pirate ships, sooner all are sunk better.
Clearly, Malvinas is Argentine, claim exist since before Argentina exist. This is well documented that we renounce claim in 1850 but claim was resurrected under Peron who traveled to Italy and adopted policies of Mussolini fascist party in order to make Argentina great nation that it became.
As part of expanded living space, we must continue this policy and we must take over Terra del Fuego and Beagle Channel and then Malvinas.
My grandfather while working for Intelligence visit Indonesia in 1976 to copy plans they used for invasion of Portuguese East Timor and removal of colonial population to be copied in invasion of Malvinas.
If we had copied these plans our invasion would be success and like East Timor is part of Indonesia, Malvinas would now be part of Argentina. World has very short memory.
In order to do good for our country we must do bad things. This is what my grandfather always says.
We know Malvinas never been under Argentine sovereignty but gifted to us by Papal Bull in 1496. No one can argue with Pope or God, that whole of South America given by him to Spain.
Go home colonial pirates w claim you land before our country exist, you can not argue with that. You live there almost 200 years illegally, you have no rights. We will own your homes, farms, businesses, oil and fish.
You will be made to speak Spanish, drive on right, obey our laws, live under our government and governor. In return we give you right to be reborn like our national hero James Peck.
James Peck is son of Malvinas War traitor Terry Peck, he was awarded MBE for helping British occupy our land. Unlike his father, James is brave, patriot, his father will be turning in his grave.
You can all be reborn like James Peck. Or you can die like Terry Peck!!!!!!
@Filippo,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you can copy-paste, so can I.
Aside from apparently holding truly despicable beliefs (assuming you're not a troll), you're over a decade behind the times. After a 24-year occupation marked by extrajudicial killings, torture and starvation, East Timor gained its independence from Indonesia in 1999. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Timor
@159. I think it is to do with the egocentric nature of the people of Buenos Aires rather than Argentines in general. Paying someone to listen to them talk about themselves is a habit like getting one's nails and hair done.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@163. Do you think the Argentine government can afford to pay people to make comments that do more harm than good for their cause? Maybe some volunteers and uber-fans of CFKC do it for a hobby. What is creepy is how they are far more interested in the personal lives of the pro-Falkland posters than making informed comments.
172 Deebles
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is correct? My grandfather tell me this story only yesterday. Plan was to reduce population of East Timor, that was a sussess.
170 Rule Britannia - Get used to it prick!
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0171 Terry Peck = Brave and resolute Falkland Islander, please don't disrespect him. The son turned out less than the father and that is all that need be said.
Anyway after Titterman's embarrassing performance in front of the World's press, the Falkland Islands 2012 security alert is about to fade away into history, for at least another 30 years. If I didn't know better you might Think Titterman was a Jolly English type British Agent. Hurrah!
Yes, Isolde Schnuckelchen, you name the place, any place...... and the bloody British Pirate history surfaces
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What about Mexico
Alaska
Black sea
Mongolia
A hard question we have been in lots of places,
Mmmm Greenland or ?
Eye gives you 5,
Now am eye right or wrong,
.
Am I the only one who sees in the Argentine obsession with their fictionalised version of their and the Falklands history some sort of strange Miss Havisham like ( Great Expectations) time warp.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This obsession with Britain as a declining empire is about 60 years out of date .Three quarters of the population of the British Empire gained independence in August 1947 with India and Pakistan.
Australia ,New Zealand, South Africa and Canada had already become independent in the last half of the 1800s or early 1900s.From 1947 to 1967 most of the other big empire countries gained independence .
Hong Kong was the notable exception and this was returned to China (as per the agreement made) by 1997.
The remainder are small territories which want to keep the link with Britain for various reasons. In the case of the Falklands one of the reasons is that there is a ' neighbour from hell' ,Argentina , which is under some childish crazy delusion that it owns the place ; based on some distorted rewritten history books.
Not only is Argentina aggressive towards the Falklands but at one time or the other has been at war with its neighbours and as late as 1982 Generalissimo Galtieri threatened Chile that ' you are next after the Malvinas and I am going to pee in the Pacfic'.
It is not the normal way to make friends and influence people.The problem is in the Argentinian psyche and there is no sign of any improvement there.Jorge Lanata is 100% right in his diagnosis but there is no chance of the islanders wanting closer political links with Argentina.Why should they link up with a bit player at the arse end of the world when they are forging strong new links and friendships with more and more countries in the Anglosphere and Europe. The oil bonanza will facilitate this.
Britain was asleep as regards Argentina up to 1982. The invasion woke Britain up and totally changed the landscape. Now there is no possibility of any British Government 'selling the islanders down the river.
Think, Flipper, Marvin,.......etc.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I had heard there were some people with a pirate fetish, but I never realised it was so rampant in Argentina. You guys are obsessed and clearly need some help. Is that why there are so many psychiatrists in Argentina? Try to control it, because it really does make you sound like complete imbeciles.
You'll be saying that the UK has sent nuclear weapons down to the Falkland Islands next (nearly pissed my pants when I heard Timerman say that - he has made Argentina a laughing stock at the UN).
168#teaboy
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a very full reply.A pity that what's behind the text is so revealing of the knowledge base you operate with.Try broadening your mindset.For example,how would a pro-argentine protest differ from an anti-government protest?
173#ElaineB
Your knowledge of Argentina continues to astound me.Do you know as much about the UK.For example,why does their military's hold government policy towards it cause such a critical response.And why are they prepared to talk about anything but sovereignty?
And Elaine you can also then tell us if London has a different view to other areas,yes?
@179 Yuletide cheasy peas: “And why are they prepared to talk about anything but sovereignty?”
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because that issue is already settled, you numpty. Just go and ask the Falkland Islanders. No agreement from them = no discussion on sovereignty. Full stop.
After reading 171 Filippo and looking at what the top Argie politicos are up to and the mad things they say I can only conclude that as with Filippo they are all secret British agents planted in the Argie government with instructions to make Argentina look as stupid as possible. What other explanation is there?
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a fleet of subs can solve this problem in a few months and it will also turn many brits into olympic swimmers I think Argentina needs to use the british nuclear submarine threat as a excuse to build Argentina our own nuclear submarine fleet, we know very well what UK has being trying to do since 1807 we tough them a lesson then and we will teach them a lesson now, if not at a UN meeting with a fleet of nuclear subs or even an H-bomb witch is the kind of language brits understand best, we Argentine's learn fast how to deal with brits, 200 years wasted with diplomacy can be easily recuperated by a single H-bomb blast. that is if we push for a nuclear defence program to end british occupation of Argentina, british thieves go back home or get used to being treated as the illegal aliens in south America and a legal target for Argentina subs comming really soon to an ocean near you.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Yuleno #179 - Try broadening your mindset.For example,how would a pro-argentine protest differ from an anti-government protest? For a start am not talking about difference between pro and anti argentine government and talking only about the anti british protests outside british companies and the british embassy in argentina. Is their any pro british demostrations in argentina? No their isn't so your trying to deflect from the fact it was a antie british protest is pathetic. Just look at the photos off the recent riots and you have people with the same headscarfs and identical pieces of stick, if it has not been a pre-organised protest by the govenrment they would have had different headscarfs and wooden sticks that differed from table legs, pool cues, base ball bats etc. And not wooden sticks equal in sixe, shape and colour. The fact they were all the same is evidence they were handed out to them. Further evidence of the police knowing they would not be attacked is the lack of riot gear, which in anti government protest they always wear. So lack of riot gear means the police knew about the riots and knew they would not need the riot gear, which is evidence of government organising the riots. Also whats funny is their has been so far, no more riots despite their threats to attack one business every week.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0End of the day you can deny it as much as you want, but am entitled to hold my opinion, and the fact you responded to it, in the way you did originally, says to me that it touched a nerve, and as they say “The truth hurts” doesn't it Yuleno!
Pirat hunter you are funny.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina build a nuclear fleet from what money exactly? You couldn't afford anything like what the UK military has and you know it.
And calling for a H-bomb strike really does make you a retard of the highest order. Well we all know the response would be that the UK would turn Argentina in a uninhabitable waste land and in the space of hours there would be no Argentina nor Argentine people.
When do you get lost back to which ever miserable place you came from? You are not but an extremist and wannabe terrorist, pathetic little man.
Can anyone from Argentina explain to me what wonderful benefits would accrue to your country if you had the Falklands ? Would it mean a huge increase in the standard of living for the average citizen. Would your government pour money into the“Malvinas” to make it into an earthly paradise.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have a solution. Neither Britain nor Argentine were the first settlers.
The Penguins and Albatrosses were there first. I think that they should be given the vote and whatever they decide should be legally binding on both sides.!!!!
Well, I'm back. Forgot it was going to be Sunday. Mind you, being retired is so wonderful. No work any day.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's start with a word for @95 johnfarrel2050. Hi, sh*t for brains. I see you couldn't come up with any valid history. So let's consider you. Is 2050 when you plan to be born? Or perhaps when you hope to get a brain transplant in an attempt to turn you into a retard?
On to later comments:
@113 I like your comments about the IMF. Reminds me of someone else's whinging about being “stabbed in the back”. Who was that? Oh, yes. Hitler!
@117, 121 et seq. Let's see. You speak Spanish. A European language. Why would that be? Surely, horror of horrors, it couldn't be because the Spanish took a territory, imported a population over 10,000 kms and then declared independence, COULD IT?
@138 Getting touchy about your origins? Don't worry, I remember. You're 'mestizo'. Otherwise a mulatto or half-breed. Part of 8.5% of the argie population. As for where you get your ruling class from? I went through a list of your Executive Branch. Origins? Germany e.g. Kirchner, Timerman, Meyer. Spain e.g. Fernandez, Garre, Baranao, Dominguez. Italy e.g. Randazzo, Puricelli, Sileoni, Georgi. France e.g. Boudou.
@130 You should get together with good ole Dany. You're accusing Brits and Dany is planning to make your own.
@131 Unfortunately, Falkland Islands Government have already offered to reimburse Britain for defence costs. FIG is responsible for all internal domestic matters. Wait and see!
@136, 142, 144, 146, 148. So, from now on, we can call you RETARD. OK?
@150 Does United Provinces of Rio de la Plata, United Provinces of South America, Argentine Federation, Argentine Confederation, Argentine Republic. Republic of Argentina count?
@170 Hi Twinky. Have you tried complete truth? So much easier. Heligoland capitulated 1807. Ceded to Britain 1814. Thousands of Germans joined King's German Legion via Heligoland to fight Napoleon and Spanish forced conscripts.
@Filippo,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Plan was to reduce population of East Timor, that was a sussess.”
That's an outrageous statement. Either you're actually applauding the genocide of over 100,000 people from East Timor (as documented by the UN here http://www.cavr-timorleste.org/, or described in this article here http://www.cavr-timorleste.org/, or you're a troll play-acting as a genocidal individual. Whichever way, this discussion is closed.
The irony here is that it will not be the British or Argentine governments that settle this issue, or the UN or the USA - it will be the british Press.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once that oil starts coming out of the ground and it becomes apparent that the Islands are the new Kuwait the british press will become hysterical.
Not a day will go past when some ambitious newspaper reporter gasps how the islanders have become like Russian Oligarchs and are flaunting their wealth in the faces of the jobless, cold and hungry british citizenry.
And then all those grasping immoral career addicted politicians sitting on the back benches of the labour party will leap at the opportunity to raise their profile by jumping onto a populist band wagon.
Britain is a very bitter and jealous nation now so Islanders beware! You are entering dangerous waters now!
Haha dreyfoss, that is an interesting prediction you have there, not very likely or likely at all really but interesting nonetheless.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ever heard of the north sea?
186 Conqueror “I'm back. Forgot it was going to be Sunday. Mind you, being retarded is so wonderful”
Feb 12th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you say so.
Cristina is a pathological liar. I am argentian and have to suffer from her and her cronies on a daily basis....she will do her most to change history facts to her advantage. The Falkland citizens are extremely lucky not to be governed by this bunch of corrupt lunatics!!!!
Feb 12th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 189 Xect.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I have heard of the North Sea oil and you make an excellent analogy Sir....for how much of the money that the oil produced ever went into the pockets of the Scottish people?
Answer: not much - because as soon as that oil came out of the ground the british government seized it !!!
@192 - its the UK government and scotland is part of the UK dumb arse.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands are political self governing, it is because of that that revenue from the oil will go to the falklands and not the UK.
Thats funny because last time I checked Scotland was in Britain.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The truth of Scotland & England is Scotland has the far better deal financially given England contributes about twice as much to Scotland as it gets in return from taxes and other revenues.
Answer; A bloody huge amount!
funny how some argies compatriots attempt to preach about anoher country´s political life when we cannot even come to terms with the fact that we have had one of the bloodiest dictatorships in Latin America, followed by “democratic” governments who turned out to be pathetically ineffective and overtly corrupt. The saddest thing is, if I am selfcritical, I conclude that somehow this apalling goverment of ours serves us right!!! The relief comes when I think that more and more thinking argentians are becoming aware of this. AT LONG LAST!! The Falklands should remain british as the UK arguments seem to have quite more solid ground. My congratulations to the islanders by the way, wish we argies could achieve almost as much as you did on those islands!!!
Feb 12th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#191 every time I hear a so called “Argentine” talk as you do I completely agree with them and wish Argentina got the military back in power, this way you can get what inplanted europids deserve. And by the way illegal aliens in Canada and USA are not citizens, this is why Argentina can't talk to the fakland island company and the illegal aliens squatting in Islas Malvinas Argentina, that is UK's responsibility, the fishing and oil exploitation in the area is just another form of theft and piracy, in conclusion the only difference between a british colony and pirats is the flag.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well it seems argentina has shot its last peacefull bolt, and where did it get you,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[knowhere]
so what are you going to do now then,
nothing,
but you can still gain the concelation prize,
you may end up getting rid of her and her doctatoral policy
Yet again ! the racist to the rest of the world Pirat Hunter returns .. wonder why you had your last comments removed ! This is an open debate, Go seek help you racist.......
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFKs attempts to make a distinction between the junta and the so called unwilling Argentinians who did not want to invade the Falklands might seem plausible to her and the rest of her cronies but to the rest of the world (or those that follow this dispute) the excuse is false and as see through as a clean window pane.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most Falkland /British bloggers here know that not all Argentinians are fanatical supporters of the rabid peronistas and that as per Jorge Lanata it takes courage to be different in that type of environment.
Argentina in the year 1900 was one of the richest countries in the world ; now it is way down the list. South Africa is richer.
The only way Argentina is going to reach its full potential is when it ditches that self destructive peronist philosophy and becomes a true democracy instead of a pseudo democracy. That includes sorting out its real problems instead of being brainwashed into thinking that everything will be fine once the Malvinas are Argentine ;which is not going to happen.
Before 1982 the British people knew very little about the Falklands and various devious British politicians could get away with dirty deals. Now the situation is totally different as the British people are alert and will not let those things happen. Apart from the tragic loss of life in 1982 the Argentinian invasion probably did the Falklanders and the British
a big favour.
The countries that Argentina tries to bully into supporting it on the Falklands only pay lip service . They are already backing away.
Chile is now militarily more powerful than Argentina . Peronism has not worked for Argentina at all. It has a built in sell by date and its demise can be predicted with absolute certainty just as the demise of communism or the Arab tyrannies could be predicted.
CFKs attempt to build a peronist dynasty is on the wrong side of history and its demise, probably for internal economic reasons, is an historical inevitability.
191 and 195 Gonzo
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your support. I know there are lots of Argentines who feel the same way as you; just not so many on this news site.
You do realise that the lunatic fringe on here from your country will soon be asking you to pass a Spanish language proficiency test on here so as to prove that you are from Argentina I hope. As soon as somebody doesn't show their Malvinistas way of thinking they assume it is a Brit in disguise. LOL!
Have a good day.
they can not have what they never owned,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you cannot in this day and age, act like warmongers and invade another country, then try to blame them if they refuse to surender,
you have your own land, so stop being greedy and trying to steel others,
you have nothing left in the locker, you went to the highest, and lost,
now what can you do, exept shout and screem on blogs like this,
and innocent peacefull brits, just out for a stroll .
lololol
Unfortunately its in the Argentine constitutional rights to try claim the island ! so until the CFK regime is over they will continue to pursue the matter. My personal opinion she is living a former presidents (Nestor) fantasy and until the people realise it, the matter wont be closed.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Financially, this dispute has cost Argentina next to nothing.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile the Brits have likely spent millions, maybe even billions these past few months on posturing.
Meanwhile the UK government has to subsidise its entire private sector with tax credits (to cover inadequate wages) and bank bailouts, while Cameron re-introduces slavery and brutally kicks the disabled.
203
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile back in reality..............
Teaboy# The truth never hurts,but flimsy evidence of the origins of a phenomena is neither truth or lies.It outrageously stupid.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The technical weakness for Argentina trying to sell its MALVINICATION message to anywhere apart from Argentina and some parts of Latin America is that apart from Spain and Portugal nobody talks the languages.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Editors of English language newspapers,tv channels etc have a massive in built advantage in getting the message across once they decide what the message is.I am sure the British government is giving out the true message now. For example various Caribbean CELAC and ALBA members are looking at which side their bread is buttered and changing their collective minds to get back 'on message'. Argentina will find it has less new friends than it thought it had.
The advantage is probably about 20:1.The biggest media website in the world is the UK's Daily Mail. I am sure that the English speakers on the internet do what I do which is find out what is going on all over the world because it is so easy to read Australian,Canadian ,US, African , New Zealand etc media outlets. From my own observations Argentina's message is not going down well there in the English speaking blogosphere.
For example when Tinman spouted his nonsense at the UN the English speaking delegates and Europeans would have thought 'what rubbish' but would have listened politely .
The only consistent Argentine supporters in the media outside of Latin America are Press TV of Iran and RT of Russia both well known strongholds of democracy.
Argentina is on to a loser here, trying to outshout the UK in a English dominated media world.
203 Gary: Nobody is claiming the British government is perfect far from it, and the Iraq, Afgan, Libya war has clearly put a dent in the British economy but do we stand by idly and let the islanders defend themselves, Only a cold blooded person would say Yes to that. The Greek are in more difficulty financially than the British, Yet did they get rid of any evil dictators in the past decade.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0138 Helber Galarga
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“i don't live in Argentina”
There are several types of Argentine posters on here I note:
1. Old establishment types, the uber nationalists. Many of whom either date back to the 70's and early 80's rape and genocide of Argentina political dissidents, or who explain that age away in terms of left wing “terrorists” and “traitors” getting their just deserts.
Most of these live outside of Argentina.
2. The younger, more naive, hot tempered, Malvinas Fanatics, of very low intelligence, whose only world view is shapped by reading nationalist literature and listening to their governments rants about the Mavlinas and Great Britain.
Most of these live in the USA and mix mainly with fellow Hispanics.
3. The veterans - whose views are shaped by their having fought a war they lost and were then ostracised by the government that sent them and the entire Argentine society. They are generally ill educated and their mindset has been shaped by the shock of their defeat and treatment and the propaganda they were exposed to from school to national service, to the conflict.
There appears to be ONE of these veterans posting here. All of the other Malvinas fanatics are armchair warriors, who prefer others to fight their wars (see group 3) and wish to do everything they can to stoke up hatred, make threats and generally, fire everyone up.
4. The more moderate Argentines, people who are educated, are more intelligent than either of the above two groups.
Most of these live in Argentina. But they are roundly condemned by groups 1 and 2 for being traitors, socialists, left wingers, imposers.
You would find in very difficult absent traveling back to 1930's Germany or Italy to find the same level nationalist, fascistic, vitriol spouted out by groups 1 and 2.
The fact that the failed logic of their own mindset passes them by is either because they have such low intelligence they can not comprehend or they are naturally evil minded hateful people.
The British economy is number 6 or 7 in the world and at least six times bigger than the Argentinian.The British defence expenditure in 2011 is about $60 billion whereas the Argentinian is about $3 billion . There is no comparison . We are talking about an ant and an elephant.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The additional costs of defending the Falklands are approximately $100 million per annum. The Ministry of Defence tea and biscuit budget is bigger.
199 STRATEGICUS
Feb 12th, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have been observing carefully your disinformation, that is: false or deliberately misleading information often put out as propaganda & misinformation activities: a lot of hogwash; but, hey! That is part of life. We understand that.
IF I MAY, I WILL GIVE YOU A FEW WORDS OF ADVICE:
Maintaining peace, so heavy in our memory and so costly, and negotiation is Argentina immediate goals; but don’t you underestimate us. If you insist on militarizing the South Atlantic, you, as a “Knowledgeable Belligerent Strategist”, should not believe what the British propaganda says.
A miscalculation or accident can set you on a bigger mess. Thus, you must be prepared to suffer reverses, even defeats. They will be sent to teach you wisdom and prudence, to call forth your energies to negotiate and return the Malvinas to Argentina and prevent you from falling further into greater disasters.
Cordially, you Argie friend
You must always keep in mind the following: We Argentines shall never yield to your power; we shall never surrender our sovereignty to the Malvinas Island even if you insist on displaying in the South Atlantic your apparently overwhelming might.
So we say to the United Kingdom: Its present militarization of the South Atlantic will not work; it is not consistent with the XXI century paradigm. If you insist on this strategy, eventually you will learn that “this was not your finest hour.”
@210 nyaria2000
Feb 12th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We Argentines shall never yield to your power”
Too late, you already have.
“we shall never surrender our sovereignty to the Malvinas Island”
You don't have any sovereignty, so what's there to surrender?
With respect 210 you do yield to British power, have you forgotten your unconditional surrender to the British people.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More empty words from a nation that has proven itself eminently beatable over a long period of time.
Do not expect the British people to fear such a country that only seems capable of bullying weaker opponents.
As opposed to the British people who have fought bigger and stronger opponents and being victorious on many occasions.
I think you are confusing Argentina with the UK.
@170Think,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ln 1807 we were at war with Denmark.
What did you expect? That we should invite you all to the palace for coffee & cakes?
Of course we took Danish territory if we could.
The Danes would have done the same to us if they could.
We have already discussed the bombardment of Copenhagen some months back. To recap, Tough bananas.
You would have bombarded London if you thought that you could get away with it. What IS your problem? Just don't like to lose, eh?
Anyway, Think, it was payback time for what the Danes did to the British lsles 9 centuries before :-))))))
Because of the Danish raping of Saxon women in the 8th, 9th & 10th centuries we were probably attacking our second cousins!
Stop playing the victim, Think. You Danes devastated western Europe.
Murdering, raping, burning churches & looting for 300 years.
Savages, barbarians & pirates.
lf,as you say, we are pirates, then its in the genes.
We got it from YOU!
I am sure there are some nice rational people in Argentina but judging from the Argie comments on Mercopress tonight there does not seem to be many at work here .
Feb 12th, 2012 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is time Argentina lived in the real world with the rest of us. You will never take over the Falklands.
#198 ask me if I care, I probably posted one of the following links.
Feb 12th, 2012 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Now it seems that the Eastern Europeans are the new blacks. The Brits, in particular, may come to regret making such stereotyping about Eastern Europeans. It may backfire on them. Perhaps some Bulgarian tabloids will soon be writing about ”the scourge of Scotland“ after a recent case.”
www.sofiaecho.com/2012/02/03/1758405_behind-the-criminal-curtain
or thisone.
“Donald Brooks, 75, who moved to Argentina more than a decade ago from Manchester, had been reported missing by British relatives four months ago.
Roadside workers discovered what they believed to be a human skull while carrying out maintenance near the expatriate's home in the province of Santiago del Estero last Thursday.”
www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/9018786/Dismembered-body-of-British-scientist-found-in-rural-Argentina.html
in America we take pride in persecuting and deporting squatters and illegal aliens from Canada to Argentina, things might be different in Europe but this is the American continent, not islas kiwi, we have our own way of doing things in this side of the globe.
As someone who can hardly claim to be timid coming here.Sunday.and reading all the posts is frankly depressing.Everyone.should read them all and hang their heads in.shame for their virulence,intolerance and stupidity including some of my own Calm.down.both countries are democracies and the abuse is pathetic
Feb 12th, 2012 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0210 nyaria2000
Feb 13th, 2012 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another virulent uber Malvinas nationalist who write jibberish.
I suggest nyaria, if you like the Falklands so much you come and live here. Or is it just the thought of having control over someone else and their land that turns you on?
You and all the other Argentine uber fascists on here, need to GROW UP, stop threatening a tiny island of 3,500 people, stop harassing our shipping, stop your insults, stop your harassment of our people, stop interdicting our shipping, stop violating our airspace and territorial waters.
Stop claiming sovereignty over our islands and the people who live here. You have never had sovereignty over these islands. You've only ever come here in force, in superior numbers as cowards.
You and your type talk tough and ask others to act for you. Your pathetic government, giving Mugabe a run for his money. How sick can you get? How low can you stoop?
I'd love to see one of you come here and fight me man to man. I rip the ****** arms and legs off you, chicken shits.
@102 Teaboy2
Feb 13th, 2012 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 01-“Argentina doe not have the infastructure to enrich” really and who says that? You?
You are absolutely wrong Argentina is one of the 10 nations in the world that can enrich uranium on its own facilities and can produce plutonium. Argentina has enrichment uranium plants since 1960 (long time ago) and started to build new ones in ‘70. And one of them uses gaseous diffusion technology.
Uranium Enrichment Argentina
“In the late 1960s, the Ezeiza facility was built to extract plutonium from spent reactor fuel.”
“The construction of Pilcaniyeu was initiated in 1978 by the military that uses gaseous diffusion technology “.
During the ’80 and ‘90 Argentina provided enriched uranium 235/20% to Iran and before rebuilt nuclear started by the Americans. Also provide aerospace know how for military purposes (missiles).
Iran is currently looking for nuclear fuel and Argentina is in the list of suppliers.
Now can you tell me how they will supply other countries with fuel without capabilities to enrich uranium?
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KK06Ak02.html
2- “Not only that, argentina does not have the abilty or technology to build a ballistic missle” again you are wrong.
3- Financial would be a problem for Argentina.
Pakistan
Population: 188 Millions
GDP: $204.1 billion
Argentina:
Population:40 Millions
GDP: $420 billions
Pakistan being less rich than Argentina has Nukes as you can see money is not the problem.
4- “If it was as easy as you seem to think it is, then please explain why every other nations struggled and spent years developing a nuclear bomb and more so, why Argentina still have not got one”
Germany the richest country in Europe and more advanced technologically that anyone in Europe has not nukes assembled. So do you think that if UK threat Germany with nukes Germany will not nuke London?
So your logic is very infantile and shows your lack of knowledge on this topic.
(213) lsolde
Feb 13th, 2012 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”ln 1807 we were at war with Denmark.”
I say:
O rly?
You don’t say?
Britain was at war with Denmark in 1807?
Why don’t you try to read some history, my dear?
Or you just prefer to live sweetly in a lukewarm pool of ignorance?
Who really cares abt the past in the sense of agreements?
Feb 13th, 2012 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact than Argentina has broken all agreements when it chooses, this then stops any other agreements that will be stuck to, would it not,
If the United Nations and other smaller but no less international treaty organisations like the OAS were to decide that:
Because of its proximity, Argentina has a right to sovereignty over the Falkland Islands
And as a direct result of this judgement, these organisations do not acknowledge and respect the right to self-determination by the Falkland Islanders and their ethnicity,
Such organisations would have lost their moral purpose and their justification for existing.
Taking such a ‘position’ would be tantamount to overtly giving a ‘free hand’ to stronger nations over weaker nations.
Does geographical ‘proximity’ endow sovereignty?
If Argentina continues to proclaim that ‘proximity endows sovereignty’ and if others support that viewpoint, this signals danger for many small independent nations around the world. A case in point could be the southern Caribbean where several island nations lie close to the Venezuelan coast.
Hugo Chavez is already at logger heads with Trinidad and Tobago over fishing, oil and gas rights on the continental shelf and very recently he stated his full support for the Argentinean claim over the Falkland Islands. In the light of his unpredictability and apparent lust for power, should the southern Caribbean Islands not be more than a little concerned about their own independence? That would be a very sad day for world peace and stability.
That, Trinidad and Tobago, Grenada and St Vincent do these Islanders have a right to self-determination and continued independence or does Chavez have a right to invade and fly the Venezuelan flag? The world must decide.
http://www.sharkeysworld.com/2012/02/self-determination-issues-raised-by.html
Usual suspects - same old boys club :-)
Feb 13th, 2012 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/usual-suspects-support-argentina/
@205 photographs are not flimsy evidence yuleno. people have been found guilty with far less. You just don't want to admit your government organised the riots as a propaganda stunt - or perhaps you would care to explain what happened to their promise to carry out more riots and attack 1 british company every week, that clearly has not happened, along with why your police officers had no riot gear on? You can't, and you inability to explain it speaks louder than words.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@219 Think,
Feb 13th, 2012 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes Think, really.
ls that the best you can do, Think?
Pathetic.
Just in case l was wrong l checked a few sources.
The second time Britain was at war with Denmark in the Napoleonic wars.
The cause of the war, as you no doubt know, was the threat to join France & hand over the Danish fleet to Napoleon & the threat to close the Baltic to British trade.
The Baltic was where Britain got most of her Naval supplies.
With possession of the Danish & Portuguese fleets, Napoleon could have invaded Britain.
A necessary move.
You didn't refute any of the other statements that l made, so l guess you must agree.
All in all, even counting 1801 & 1807 the Danes did far more damage to my Dad's people than we ever did to them.
But l don't hold those things against the present Danish people.
lts time to move on.
You'd better read a few books yourself, Herr Think.
@Teaboy2
Feb 13th, 2012 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really where are you from? In Argentina at least Buenos Aires every day are protester on the streets for whatever reasons.
Protesters in Buenos Aires
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUnNEOzKA74
Argentinean protester against China in favor of Tibet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUnNEOzKA74
Olympic Torch Protest in Buenos Aires
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUnNEOzKA74
Spanish citizens protest in Buenos Aires
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUnNEOzKA74
Indigenous Peoples march in Buenos Aires
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUnNEOzKA74
The police don’t touch them in fact they protect them if they don’t cause violence toward other people.
Even you can protest in Buenos Aires in favor of UK or The Falklands islands or against the gov. and burn an Argentinean flag and the police will not touch you for that reason.
Yes I know that can be very strange for you but it is the way its.
Argentina is a truly an open democracy.
Buy the way have you done your Argentina nuclear capabilities research? I guess not, lazy Affe you are.
: )
@224DanyBerger,
Feb 13th, 2012 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you say that l can demonstrate outside of your “malvinas” war memorial, draped in a Falklands flag, then burn an Argentine flag & the police will not touch me? Yeah, right.
Would they protect me from the malvinistas?
lts very strange all right!
@dannyberger - I was talking about anti british protesters you dumb shit. OH and how many do we see with sticks and headscarfs in the videos you link too? None, i geuss you do not know the difference between peaceful protest and the hatefilled violent protest against british companies and britain, which i must admit was rather pathetic as i have seen better bar fights, then that. I mean paint bombs, come on lol. It was so obivously staged by the government wanting to get maximum press exposure whilst causing little to no damage.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0oh and no you do not have the capacity to enrich plutonion to weapons grade, and bulid a ballistic missle as you do not have the industrial, engineering, scienctific, finances or the technology to do it. So you have few centifuges, you do relise the only enrich enough for use as nuclear fuel rods, you do not have the capacity to enrich to weapons grade, look at iran, they have thousands of the things, and still can not do it.
You say am wrong, but provided no evidence are we suppose to put aside our own scientific knowledge and accept we are wrong just on your word. I don't think so.
Argentina truely a full democracy - really thats why they are looking at changing the constitution so CFK and be president for life, tell me, will you get a referendum on that? I doubt it. Not only that it is listed as a failed democracy where the government prevents free speech, the new terror laws are an example of that and so are the actions they have taken to get control of what is printed in the papers. Which means your government now controls the information you read, as such they are free to manipulate it and therefore manuipulate the population e.g. indoctrinate. They do not need to censor the internet, as its clear you do not believe anyone else in the world.
Also you say the police would protect protestor, thats funny since your police have an appaling history of beating people up and throwing them into cells.
@Isolde
Feb 13th, 2012 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes you can and the police will not touch you: About malvinist? Really I don’t know Argentinean don’t seem to care so much about you to be honest.
@Teaboy2 you seem to be a bitter angry boy resorting to insult and violence to express yourself.
“oh and no you do not have the capacity to enrich plutonion to weapons grade” “you do not have the capacity to enrich to weapons grade”
Have you ever attend to school mate its plutonium and not plutonion.
Well to be honest we have in Germany and Argentina also has since long time ago.
And if I would be you I would be so scared, because the Argentinean can blow up you whole island if they get piss off.
Again they have and you are so ignorant look for Pilcaniyeu this is a gaseous plant for civilian use.
Here a road map http://www.blueskyuranium.com/s/Uranium101.asp?ReportID=270037&_Title=Uranium-Industry-in-Argentina
Again you cannot compare Iran with Argentina, they are not so advanced in technology and the Know how in Nuclear field was provided by Argentineans and also for missile ballistic program.
You are a flagged indoctrinate mate that cannot see the forest because the little colonial mindset tree is blinding you.
How many times I have to say you that I’m not Argentinean? German/Italian do you understand the difference?
And if you are British I’m African because I can see that you cannot write proper your own language. What wrong with you mate?
@Danny
Feb 13th, 2012 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For a start i am dsylexic, so my spelling and grammer are not as good as those that can see (think) words with letters in the order as they appear. So mocking and pointing out a person spelling, is nothing short of discrimination and totally unnecessary. As for insults and violence, yes i called you a dumb shit, because you truely believe argentina has the means to build a nuclear warhead, when it does not. But i do not see anything is aid that could be seen as violence. Or are you trying to make yourself out to be the innocent victim, yes argentinians are good at doing that aren't they!
Argentina can blow up our whole island, what with a flaming pea shooter, Err They have no nuclear weapons capability. Thats statement alone confirms your a dumb shit.
As for iran, argentina did not provide the technology russia did, as one you do not have the ballistic missle technology yourselves, so can not provide what you do not have and two, the iranian missles are based on russian designs. Another statement that proves your a dumb shit.
Yes i do undetrstand the difference between german/italian and argentinian. You are obivious anger you lost 2 world wars to britain and her allies.
As for me being an angry person. Not at all, i am quite happy and proud to be british. But at the same time, being a buisness man i do not take crap from anyone and i speck my mind. SO when i say your a dumb shit, its because you are a dumb shit. Its not because i have any personal hatred towards you or wish violence on you, it just that i say it how it is. If you don't like it, then stop talking a load of crap. Hell even germany doesn't have nuclear warheads of ballistic missles, so how the hell are they suppose to have helped argentina build their nuclear missles (that do not exist) - Its a well known fact that it was Canada that helped you build nuclear power stations etc, ohh and canada is a commonwealth country and does not have nuclear weapons either. So your talking a load shit.
I see Danny has been on the loopy juice again. It is true if Argentina works hard they maybe able to build a nuclear device in about 5-10 years although if they deployed it on the Falkland islands, 3,000 people would die and then the UK would respond and there would immediately be no Argentina or Argentine people and 40m lives would be lost and the chances of a hit are very slim with a Type 45 destroyer sat there which is capable of shooting down ballistic missiles.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So its all a bit pointless really given the UK would wipe Argentina off the face of the planet so clearly Argentina wouldn't be foolish enough to launch a strike and they would now posses a weapon that would really serves no purpose (the UK in its entire history has never threatened Argentina with a nuclear strike, in fact the UK didn't even target the Argentine mainland with a conventional weapon during the illegal invasion of 82').
So with the Argentine economy in a ever perilous state spending billions on development will serve no purpose not to mention its against the treaty Argentina is a signatory of.
So apart from that, you're on to something lol.......
Danny you will have noticed that teaboy is dyslexsic(I think thats how its spelt,lol) but always manages to spell abusive words correctly.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's not angry he just thinks that being aggressive makes it more convincing.
Poor boy lacks manners.jajajaja ect
Yuleno - Abusive words are much more easier to remember when it comes to writing the letter is the right order, then that or normal, or longer words, or words similar to other words, such as there/their, where/were etc. Fuck is easy, shit is easy, cunt is easy, twat is easy, dick head is easy, bastard is slight harder but still easy, wanker is easy, prick is easy, arse and hole are easy, of and gues what - All those words decribe you and all the rest of the supporters of argentinas claim over the flakland perfectly.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh wait i forgot one “DUMB” which is also easy.
Rather than all this kerfuffle, why can't the Argies just go ahead and change their constitution to say that everywhere is theirs, the presidency will remain in Nestor and KFC's dynasty, and then get back to important national matters like deforestation and killing their indigenous population.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ripping the plaster off quickly is better than slowly trying to remove it.
Ha ha teaboy;-|
Feb 13th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Joke: What's the difference between Presidium Member of the Politburo Cristina Fernández de Kirchner and Dear Leader Kim Jong Il?
Feb 13th, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Answer: What?? there is a difference?!?
“UK must hand the Falklands back to Argentina”
Feb 13th, 2012 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Britain can cede sovereignty to Argentina while ensuring the local population still enjoys a British way of life.”
By Peter Slowe
http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2012/02/07/comment-uk-must-hand-the-falklands-back-to-argentina
@235 Hmm, now let's all have a look at what Argentina does to it's 'local population'...
Feb 13th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WHAT!! (http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR13/006/2011/en)
THE!! (http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR13/006/2011/en)
FORK!!! (http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR13/006/2011/en)
Just in terms of human rights, I wouldn't give a stray cat for you folks to look after, regardless of how much you greedily wanted to decolonise it.
I don't see why Marcos feels it necessary to post one journalists work over and over again like its somehow truth. The UK enjoys a free press unlike Argentina and sometimes journalists do write something that isn't supported by the government or public but that is the wonderful thing about free press.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also writing articles that are designed to outrage the general public is a great way to sell more papers or get more online readers.
Either way what one journalist writes means very little in the grand scheme of things
@237 It's sort of worrying that the Argentinians seem to take everything they read in the newspaper as objective fact. There seems to be no judgement or evaluation of the source. I'm not suggesting that it is some kind of cognitive deficiency, but more the long term affects of propaganda by their Ministry of Truth.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So trolling-for-popularity amongst journalists is new to the Argentinians and the Grauniad's Comment-Is-Free section would be completely lost on them.
Britain can cede sovereignty to Argentina while ensuring the local population still enjoys a British way of life.”
Feb 13th, 2012 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By Peter Slowe
Peter Slowe called for a return to the “values of Tony Blair”
You Twat Marcos :-))))))))
@239 Hmm, isn't the values of Tony Blair a contradiction in terms? Because from where I'm standing the guy appeared to be the personification of the term 'morally vacuous'.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...and then he became a catholic, which was beautiful irony.
February 2012
Feb 13th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Sooner or later, the Falkland islanders will be sold out”
Peter Preston
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/02/falklands-islanders-sold-out
And yet more dribble posted one mans opinion doesn't represent the government nor the people.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it goes without saying the British public are very much behind the Falklands cause, thanks to the foolish and illegal Argentine invasion in 82'
@240 Imagine that first confession, I bet they had to send out for pizza.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(223) Educating Isolde……….
Feb 13th, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Denmark was NEUTRAL both in 1801 and 1807 and was attacked without any provocation by the United Kingdom in what today you Anglos would call “Preventive Attacks”.
Not forgetting the “Terror Bombardment” Of Copenhagen in 1807, a defenseless capital city full of civilians.
A “fine” tradition you Brits are continuing today in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and god knows where next……
A typical act of British“Might makes Right” piracy…
Below, a pair of links to “The Other Side of the Story”
http://www.navalhistory.dk/english/history/1801_1814/englandskrigene.htm
http://www.navalhistory.dk/english/history/1801_1814/englandskrigene.htm
Wow scraping the barrel again Think? Do you want us to drag out Argentina's rather nasty history? There's plenty of examples we can use.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I also can't believe you mentioned Libya in your selection, do you even know what happened in Libya?
They offer journalistic stories, because they no longer have a valid argument over the Falklands, the civilised bloggers are clearly coming round to the truth, but the diehards will sink with their glorious leader,
Feb 13th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina cannot really be considered a democracy with the offending article in there constitution, only dictators do childish things like that,
The fact is, it does not matter how many support her,, she cannot have what she has never owned or administrated,
And besides Great Britain would never ever hand a democracy over to a dictatorship, it is an a impossibility,
Argentineans should tale a leaf out of the Arab spring, and get rid of her, then re-build Argentina into a country worthy of the name, step into the real world, and get the respect that you deserve, instead of being laughs at as a 4th world despot,
Get rid of her, and take your right full place in the world, before she drags you into the gutter .
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@241
Feb 13th, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Peter Preston aka Percy Parsnip
http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=street_of_shame&issue=1306
your still a Twat Marcos :-))))))
danyberger. from reading your comments your german-italian.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i lived in germany for a bit, it a very nice country.
the thing is considering the history of tho's countries, your opinion on the british empire is just very silly, i think its time for you to grow up a little bit.
+ all your talk of nucleur weapons is just insane! no one in their right mine wants a failed state like argentina, having the access to such weapons. the usa would go ape-shit :p
@243 I think the Vatican probably had to send out for more holy-water in this truly special case. Either that or he just paid them for indulgences.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently he was God-father to Rupert Murdoch's children... like seriously GOD father.
@190 Thank you, Maggie. Always knew you were a prick. Thanks for conforming you're an illiterate prick!
Feb 13th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@196 What's a europid, terrorist? Any similarity to CFK, the well-known Plastic Pig?
@203 Sorry to disappoint, Gabby. Hasn't cost us a penny. But sending argie numpties charging round the world making it up as they go along must cost a bit. How are you paying these days? Soya? Chickens? Expired lottery tickets?
@210 Unfortunately, your defence minister, Half Pint Putrid Jelly, has already threatened war.
Twinky, twinky, wherever you are. Denmark joined the League of Armed Neutrality. A hostile act. Specifically, Britain needed to stop the French getting the Danish fleet. Denmark refused to co-operate. Therefore Denmark chose war and had to suffer the consequences. In a similar situation, Britain did the same to the French fleet to stop the Germans getting it in 1940. Worth bearing in mind, argieland! These days, British cruise missiles will destroy the argie (snigger) fleet. Guess why we might do that?
First Verse:
Feb 13th, 2012 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi, I'm from Argentina and I don't really know any history,
The history I do know I pick and choose from government propaganda,
Then I try to expand my country by stealing from those around me.
Chorus:
It's not long before we start erecting massive statues of our Dear Leader,
It's only a matter of time.
Second verse, same as the first.
All you Malvinas fanatics, you are all cowards. The only military service any of you have done would have been either killing your own people unarmed left wing political dissidents during the 1970's or online in a Call of Duty server. You are all fascistic scum.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be fair, you've got to feel sorry for Mark Lyall Grant in this. Not only was this the low-point of his diplomatic career having to listen to this utter nonsense, but then he had the indignity of actually having to respond to the most senseless tosh, with simple objective facts. I would have probably just said 'gosh, did you people actually listen to that cr@p” and then I'd roll my eyes in my head for a while.
Feb 13th, 2012 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quoted from the GUARDIAN Tu 2/14/12
Feb 14th, 2012 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/
Good morning everybody!
- Moody's said it was concerned by “materially weaker growth prospects over the next few years, with risks skewed to the downside.
Any further abrupt economic or fiscal deterioration would put into question the government's ability to place the debt burden on a downward trajectory by fiscal year 2015-16.”
”Although the UK is outside the euro area, the high risk of further shocks (economic, financial, or political) within the currency union are exerting negative pressure on the UK's AAA rating given the country's trade and financial links with the euro area.”
And read also: “Sooner or later, the Falkland islanders will be sold out”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/
Have a Good Day! Your Argie friend
Sheep hospitality
Feb 14th, 2012 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Eight years ago I made a joke about the islands in an article for this paper. I soon wished I hadn't”
“Public opinion eventually dictated that, while the rest of the party enjoyed dinner at the governor's house, I was dragged on to the radio to apologise”
:-)))))
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/shortcuts/2012/feb/12/offended-falkland-islands
255 Marcos MORON3
Feb 14th, 2012 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here is a film all the nationalist children of Argentina should watch. It should be compulsory education in Argentine schools to learn about their country recent history, instead of teaching lies about the Falkland Islands (the imaginary Malvinas - which Argentina has NEVER had sovereignty over).
That something like this was allowed to happen is a crime against humanity, 50,000-100,000 raped, tortured, mutilated, murdered and disappeared (Borges). Unborn babies ripped out of their mothers wombs, young children taken from their parents, who were murdered by the heroic Argentine military.
Anyone of you born in the 70's? I hope your lucky enough to know who your real parents are...
The Official Story / La historia official (1985)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7LF5II0wIY
It's a film everyone should watch. Feel shame because the specter of fascism still grips Argentina and as Martino Moreno said “If publishing the truth is forbidden, then lies, ignorance and poverty will follow”.
Argentina's history is still being written by Moreno's assassins.
@256 “It's a film everyone should watch”
Feb 14th, 2012 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Johnny-come-lately, we watched it almost thirty years ago, also won the Oscar for Best Foreign Language Film.
Isolde
“If my mother were in the business of geopolitical conflict resolution, let me tell you right now that NONE OF THEM would be playing with the Falkland Islands after the way they've all behaved. Each of them would be having a long hard think in their rooms about whether it was honestly worth being that babyish”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/10/falklands-fuss-petty-british-william-waving?intcmp=239
(257) Marcos Alejandro
Feb 14th, 2012 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0You write:
“If my mother were in the business of geopolitical conflict resolution, let me tell you right now that none of them would be playing with the Falkland Islands after the way they've all behaved. Each of them would be having a LONG HARD THINK in their rooms about whether it was honestly worth being that babyish”
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/10/falklands-fuss-petty-british-william-waving?intcmp=239
Right on the “spot“, I say..........
A ”Long Hard Think” is what everybody needs ........
Chuckle chuckle®
:-)
Feb 14th, 2012 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0@244Think,
Feb 14th, 2012 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some afterwork study for you.
l knew that you were a Dane, no Swede would defend Denmark the way you do.
Conqueror in post #250 answered you before l could(important things to do, don't you know?) lt seems like a fair assessment to me.
You were collateral damage.
Why should we care about provocation or niceties like declarations of war?
Didn't seem to worry the Danes when they ravaged the British lsles for OVER 300 years.
Didn't seem to worry Argentina when they invaded a land that is NOT THEIRS in 1982.
As l said, dear Thinkus, stop playing the victim.
Who gives a rat's arse about the civilians in Copenhagen?
What about the civilians in York? & Lincoln & East Anglia & Mercia?
The Danes even sailed up the rivers so they could kill, loot & burn inland churches.
Kill the monks, steal the church vestments then desecrate the churches.
Even the Muslims didn't destroy the churches(they made them into mosques)
Your ancestors, Think, were savages & you have the gall to call us “brutish”!
Now you've hitched your wagon to a lying, conniving ultimately stupid ideology of the “malvinas”(which as ChrisR says, doesn't exist).
Get real, Think.
@260 It's official Argsoc and Glorious Leader KFC are going to the UN Colonisation Committee to complain about Danelaw.
Feb 14th, 2012 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0A ”Long Hard Think” is what everybody needs ........
Feb 14th, 2012 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I always said you were a prick.
Titter titter
A trip to the ICJ is what everyone needs. However, that would involve Argentina being made to look like a complete @rse in front of the entire global community and their Ministry of Truth trying desperately to ignore the ruling by printing up some random nonsense about the environmental pollution from shoes.
Feb 14th, 2012 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well done for your post be serious.Pity it didn't have some content.A long hard think is what was advocated.We know where your knowledge is located.Sensational knowledge only
Feb 14th, 2012 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@264 I made this just for you folks (http://d.images.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/14576987.jpg). Enjoy.
Feb 14th, 2012 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0260 Isolde
Feb 14th, 2012 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Who gives a rat's arse about the civilians in Copenhagen?”
That's the problem Isolde, you never give a rat about civilians anywhere, you are a special breed of selfish thieves hated all over the planet.
“People of the World, It's Time to get Paid”
The evil empire.
http://www.britishreparations.org/commercial.php
(260) Educating Isolde II ……….
Feb 14th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I’m not 100% Swedish but that doesn’t make me automatically a Dane…
I could well be a Skåning, Hallänning or even......... a Nordmand.
”Why should we care about provocation or niceties like declarations of war?” You say…
“You were collateral damage.” You say….
”Who gives a rat's arse about the civilians in Copenhagen?” You say….
Nice to see some strong Viking Sincerity Genes sprouting out of that Brutish cesspool of ethnocentric haughtiness, falsehood and self-pity.
That’s my Schnuckelchen……..A real Pirate Squatterette, worthy of the Malvinas Islands….
PS:
Remember your FAL if you ever go for a ride with Mr. ChrisR.
He always carries a “Razor Sharp (Herr)Flick-Knife and he is not afraid of using it!
Spooooky………..
265#there was no demand for your work.oh dear such a waste
Feb 14th, 2012 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Today is Valentines Day, and we should all be friends
Feb 14th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argies will be the chickens, as there used to fxxking the hens.
The turnips are here before the Swedes, helping the Argies needs.
But a thief is a thief, and a crook is a crook
And these are our British lands.
Come back again, we will kick ya arse
Right of the Falk-a-lands .
[British Falklands, you know it makes sense .]
.
Britain has to realize that its Colonial Era is over. Give Malvinas back to Argentina and after that give Northern Ireland back to the Irish and so on. The british are making a lot of enemies in this world, I wouldn't be surprised if Britain itself became a Colony of another country one day, it would certainly be giving Britain a taste of its own medicine.
Feb 14th, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Marcus you foolish man.
Feb 14th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain has to realise the colonial era is over and allow Argentina to colonise the islands........
It's so retarded I have no idea where to start with posts like that....
Can we all say together 'HYPOCRITE'!!!!!!
Marcos Alejandro
Feb 14th, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And in part two,
Marcos Alejandro
Will tell us all, how Argentina will get its very own EMPIRE on the backs of innocent people,
And in part 3
He will inform us, how to identify a fantasy, from the reality.
And in part [4] how to pull a turd from the arsole of a dog.
@270 we cannot give something back to you that you never owned. You're basically just demanding that we give you something.
Feb 14th, 2012 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reminds me a bit of Germany demanding that they be given Poland.
Marcos has been brainwashed by the same hype and bullshit that sadly so many Argentinians have been promised.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0How can we give the Falkland Islands to Argentina when they were never the Argentinians in the first place. Anyway, it's not up to us, it's up to the people of the Falkland Islands. But Argentina will NEVER understand about self-determination. They just don't get it!
“I wouldn't be surprised if Britain itself became a Colony of another country one day, it would certainly be giving Britain a taste of its own medicine.”
Do you know what shit you are talking? Do you even know how your own country's history? and how Argentina was formed? You obviously don't! Just your one-sided brainwashed little version!
@274 Apparently the underlying principles of UN membership are read about as much as the iTunes EULA. They just click accept without understanding what it all means. Even Ban Ki-moon seems to not get it. Surprising from a man whose country was ruled by Japan for many a moon.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@267 Squatter Think,
Feb 15th, 2012 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0l knew that you would have no credible answer to the truth that l pointed out, dear Thinkus.
And you never refuted anything l said.
lf you want to live in cuckoo land up in the Andes on someone else's land then do so.
The wheel just keeps turning & l wash my hands of any sensible “dialogue” with you.(cfk's favourite word).
You are a true malvinista, therefore there can be no meeting between us in any middle ground. Please do not address any of your future posts to me, oh haughty one. You are a type of Scandinavian that one occasionally meets.
l've met a few.
Thank God most are not like you, but are normal, likable people.
l don't even know ChrisR, but l'm sure l would trust him before l trusted you.
Isolde chrisR is an aethist and torturer who carries a knife to defend his family from imaginary threats to their safety.That says a lot about you,doesn't it.Have you been the other woman in a divorce case at some point,or do you just think men are mentally weak :-/
Feb 15th, 2012 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@277Yuleno,
Feb 15th, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0How do you know this about ChrisR?
l know he has said that he is an atheist,
l don't agree but that's my decision.
How do you know that he is unbalanced & carries a knife?
Do you know him?
Like sr Think, you presume too much.
Why does it say a lot about me?
Why do you bring up divorce & it hasn't even been mentioned?
Why do you think that l think that men are mentally weak?
l never said that.
You know nothing about me & you have made many false assumtions,
Just like Argentina's claims to the Falklands.
You malvinistas are like little children.
On your postings, Yuleno, l believe you to be an idiot.
I saw the video on CNN. Obviously not in BBC. the man was getting red and red.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the militarization exists. and there are peace treaties signed by south atlantic nations, of not proliferation of nuclear weapons in the zone, of peace, that must be respected. Patriota said to Hague sth about this in last conference, I remember.
To baegron, chimichucki, enjoy my music.
@279 I don't see your issue. It doesn't really matter where in international waters the submarine is, it could still be parked up in the UK and turn Buenes Aires into glass. That's why it's called a deterant. It deters countries like yours that want to annex land you don't own from annexing land you don't own.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now can't you Argies get back to doing what you do best, which is invading Chile.
I know why you chose the name Greek yoghurt.Your full of bacteria,isn't it.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#280
Feb 15th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When Argentina “invade” Chile were only for gave them freedom from spanish colonialism.....
Argentinean top hero called General San Martin fight for Chile with argentinenan troops crossing the andes....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossing_of_the_Andes
Chile knows this prety well....ask them, their scholars books or just look the main place in Chile Casa de la Moneda were proudly stand San Martin monument.
america.infobae.com/notas/37426-Reinaguran-en-Chile-el-monumento-a-San-Martin-
Clean your mouth before talk about Argentina or Chile
@282 I'm not sure which Argsoc official history book you're reading, but we're all talking about the 1978 Beagle Conflict where you invaded Chile and 'decolonised' quite a few of their islands. I didn't even talk about the War of the Triple Aliance where you tried to carve Paraguay into two parts.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Illegal occupation of other people's land seems to be a common part of your country's history, let's be sure of that.
#283
Feb 15th, 2012 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Told you....clean your mouth before talk about Argentina or Chile you small subhuman specie.
@284 are you so angry that you're going to 'decolonise' something from a shop without paying?
Feb 15th, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(277)
Feb 15th, 2012 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How do you know about ChrisR?
Because he wrote this?:
12 ChrisR
I can cut their throats on the fly with my razor sharp flick-knife. And it will be back in my pocket before they have finished dying and anyone knows who has done it
en.mercopress.com/2011/12/13/rockhopper-announces-fantastic-result-with-third-oil-discovery-in-falklands
67 ChrisR
I would keep my mouth shut in case someone (like me) came along and slashed your left carotid artery, your windpipe and your right carotid artery from behind you (with my razor sharp flick-knife) before you even knew what was happening
en.mercopress.com/2012/01/30/contruction-of-st-helena-airport-begins-next-may-should-be-ready-in-48-months
13 ChrisR
If you need any help I will loan you my 4.5 in razor sharp bladed flick knife
en.mercopress.com/2012/02/04/argentina-organized-labour-leader-again-blasts-the-government
11 ChrisR
if you are trained and carry a knife of your own (which is why I carry a 115 mm bladed razor sharp flick knife at all times)
13 ChrisR
The reason I keep a flick knife on me at all times is to defend myself
en.mercopress.com/2012/02/08/french-photographer-stabbed-to-death-when-taking-pictures-of-buenos-aires-malvinas-memorial
21 ChrisR
When someone is tortured they may tell you anything to stop the pain, they may say nothing even unto death (very, very rare) or (and this is statistically the greater sample) they give something away.
Imagine that a member of your family had been taken as a sex slave (see the film ‘Taken’) and one of the perpetrators fell into your hands.
Would you go as far as the film ‘Unthinkable’ if you thought there was a good chance this would lead to the recovery of your loved one?
Or are you telling me you would NEVER use torture if everything else failed?
29 ChrisR
Torture to SAVE lives, YES. Torture in any other context NO
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/12/01/chile-requests-extradition-of-former-us-army-officer-allegedly-involved-in-the-1973-killing-of-two-us-citizens
#286
Feb 15th, 2012 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I always thought that Conqueror was a perfect match for Isolde ......but i was wrong, no doubt is ChrisR.
Congrats little hooligan Isolde with your new bloody partner.
ChrisR related to Isolde? not wonder.
Feb 15th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! so ChrisR is Silvester Stalone ans Where is Arnold? we are getting the whole Hollywood in this forum. Ha ha
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0286,
Feb 16th, 2012 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0l'm impressed.
l never realised that you do such collections. l don't.
A dossier on everyone of us who oppose your crazy malvinista dreams?
Don't even want to know what you have collected on me.
And don't care.
@287 so_far,
l told you, bradco, l like being called a hooligan. lt doesn't insult me.
Same as Pirate!
lt has a somewhat rebellious air to it. Keep on.
l don't even know ChrisR, but l do know enough of you stupid malvinistas. And l don't like you at all. Accomplished liars & actors, all.
@288 Marcos,
See above, Marcosito.
(276) & ( 290) Isolde
Feb 16th, 2012 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At (276) you ask me never to address you again...:
”Please do not address any of your future posts to me, oh haughty one…..”
Just 24 hours later, at (290), you address me (again) saying...:
”I’m impressed….......… l never realized that you…....”
What a distinctive feminine incongruent inconsistency……………..
Anyhow…........
I wish young girls were soooo easy to impress in my time…………
Nobody is keeping a “Dossier” on anybody here.
I just use MercoPress’s “Search” function.
Even a Woman could do it………….
Go to the top of this page.
Type: “ChrisR knife” on the little white “Custom Search” window placed on the blue toolbar…
Press “Go”.
Voilà
Thank you, meinherr.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0You obviously have finally found your correct place.
Down, man, down.
You may address me, but only as Memsahib or Rani.
and kiss my skirt hem while you are down there.♥
l've never noticed the knife, thingy,
l've always been focused on refuting you stupid malvinistas.
Life goes on. l'm glad that you have snivelled your way into my affections again.
Told you, l like viejo verdes!
Its also a matter of principle, people who have been British since the 1830s have chosen to remain so and so should be allowed to do so in peace. Cost is irrelevant.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As to our apparent militarisation of the area, Prince William is a search and rescue pilot. I'm assuming that if he finds any Argentinians in distress then he should do what, just leave them with they are? HMS Dauntless is simply replacing HMS Montrose as since the war, the RN has always deployed either a destroyer or frigate to the area as part of a military deterrence. It doesn't matter that its one of the newest ships in the fleet. Just so Argentina doesn't get any ideas in the future about Falklands War II. If we were going to militarise the area, surely we would be sending more then just the one ship. And as for the sub, very few people know where it is, that's the whole point about them and besides, the South Atlantic is a pretty big place just because it could be passing through it doesn't mean to say its targeted at Argentina.
And besides, any British government that ever tried to negotiate against the wishes of the islanders on sovereignty wouldn't exactly last very long
the trouble with spoilt children, is that they imagin things,
Feb 17th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0let me see now, ooops whats that strange ship over there that i can see,
eye belive it says HMS Dauntless, yep, its still in the uk,
and still in portsmouth,
so who or what the argies see, ive no idea.
(292) Dakait Rani
Feb 17th, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try the Squatterette “thingy”.
It's just the Brit way Think,with Isolde.Say one thing and mean another,but you can see the type of man she likes on ChrisR the silent creator.
Feb 17th, 2012 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(296) Jupppp………..........................
Feb 17th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She is a polifacetic British squatterette with a distinctive “Quality Sense”.
She does fancy “Mr. ChrisR” manliness.
And “Mr. Conqueror” wits.
And “Mr. Britons” prose.
Chuckle chuckle©
Dear Thinkus,
Feb 17th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Presuming far too much again,
Oh, how little you know.
No need to be jealous, Think.
You are not unloved.
Shut up, Yuleno.
You are lowering the tone of the conversation.
But of course mr think,, he is loved
Feb 17th, 2012 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0malvino
marcos
yuleno
DanyBerger
Helber Galarga
you are not first
johnfarrel2050
O gara
JuanStanic
nyaria2000
Alejomartinez
Xbarilox
Dreyfoss
With so many loyal followers who could ever argue with an Argentinean truth,
Not eye, , eye be just a turnip,
That’s British turnip,
munch,,munch .
Any true Argentinian want to talk about how we can sort this crap out?
Feb 18th, 2012 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0You order shut up,Isolde, like a true colonialist.And it's such a dirty word,direct it at ChrisB,and be a good girl(or you know what he'll do).
Feb 18th, 2012 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0@301 Yuleno,
Feb 18th, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Silenceo, peon. -now you may talk.
Who is ChrisB? And why should l tell him to shut up?
ls he related to ChrisR?
What will ChrisB do?
First you want me to be ChrisR's consort, then you are warning me of what he will do, or it might be ChrisB(with his knife?).
Are you sure you know what you are talking about?
Better go & lie down for a while, Yuleno.
Sometimes l worry about you.
@297 Think,
Presuming again, Herr Think.
@302 lsolde
Feb 18th, 2012 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should know by now that “El Stink” never comments on the issue at hand, only ever personal comments about the people.
Definately a Stalker, is Stink, I think.
Soon to be found outside the school gates with a bag of sweets and a cheeky smile (as in the football song).
And a certain Squatterette addresses me again at (292) and again at (298) and again at (302)…………………
Feb 18th, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Finding the looong Malvinas weekend afternoons a bit “intellectually under-stimulating”, perhaps?
Thank God for Vodka, sister……………
@302 lsolde
Feb 18th, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See what I mean!
Its a shame the British government has treated the Chagossians so differently to the Falklanders.
Feb 19th, 2012 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Chagos scandal really is a disgraceful chapter in UK history, poodle Britain selling out to the Yanks and screwing its own people over. Nice.
http://weeklyhubris.com/2010/05/03/%E2%80%9Cpartners-in-crime-the-uk-the-us-the-scandal-of-the-dispossessed-chagos-islanders%E2%80%9D/
Try and stay on topic Gary... Chagos has been done to death on this forum.....
Feb 19th, 2012 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know what they say... two wongs don't make a white....
@305 Pugol-H,
Feb 19th, 2012 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Never fear, sr Think & l go back a long way,
We mutually despise each other, mainly because l believe him to be a hypocrite & misogynist he can't stand me because l always manage to beat him & show him up for what he is.!
One thing in his favour though, he's not too rude. Not like some of the idiot malvinistas on here!
(308) Isolde
Feb 19th, 2012 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your infatuation with “Think” seems to be reaching hazardous levels……
Therefore there can be no meeting between us in any middle ground……
Please do not address any of your future posts to “Think”, oh most sisterly one.
@309Think,
Feb 19th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh but l will, Thinkus Horribilus Maximus,
lts fun to stir you up!
And as you well know now, you can't live without me!
Who else soaks up your time like l do?
Living up in those cold mountains with only your dogs & horses for company.
Think, the world is passing you by........♥♥♥♥
brrrr cold very cold, brrr brrritish mmm
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