Falkland Islanders have the right to choose their future
By Dr. Barry Elsby - The Falkland Islands are home to a thriving community. In the face of escalating rhetoric, that community must have the right to determine its own future, argues Dr Barry Elsby MLA
“Give peace a chance,” said Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, the President of Argentina, earlier this month when she announced that her government would be lodging a formal complaint to the UN regarding the ‘militarization’ of the Falkland Islands. For the people of the Islands, the desire for peace has been a constant. This latest rhetoric, supposedly to extend an olive branch, appears somewhat insincere given Argentina’s continued moves aimed at economically strangling and politically isolating the Islands.
Global interest in the Islands in recent months follows more than a year of increasingly aggressive actions from Argentina in the form of economic sanctions and trade blockades. The Argentine-led move by Mercosur members to close their ports to Falkland-flagged vessels is just one example of the continual litany of bullying tactics deployed by Argentina.
While we in the Islands have grown well accustomed to political rhetoric from Buenos Aires over the years, these latest moves have seen everyday life made that bit harder, with the selection of food on the shelves changing, and becoming more expensive, as we have had to find new suppliers for everyday goods. But, we Falkland Islanders are resourceful people and will not be defeated by political and economic bullying. We remain resolute in our desire to maintain neighbourly relations with all our South American neighbours, including Argentina, for mutual benefit. During the 1990s, significant progress had been made in our relationship with Argentina; agreements had been reached on conservation of fish stocks and on oil exploration but Argentina unilaterally withdrew from these, something we deeply regret.
With the eyes of the world on the South Atlantic in recent weeks, one unified message continues to come from those that live in the Islands; that is our right to self-determination. The people of the Falkland Islands remain a British Overseas Territory by choice. It is our constitutional right and a fundamental freedom enshrined in the UN Charter. This right to self-determination is a value that is protected and promoted by democratic powers the world over; the Falkland Islands are no different. We are happy to talk, but our sovereignty remains non-negotiable.
Despite adversity, we are upbeat about our future, drawing on the strength of nine generations of Islanders, and those who have chosen to make the Falkland Islands their home. The Falkland Islands economy is diverse, prosperous, and is self-sufficient in all areas other than defence, for which it receives a relatively small contribution from the UK - less than 0.5% of the total UK defence budget. The Islands are home to a thriving community, one of the world’s best managed fisheries - with fishing activity generating approximately 60% of the Islands revenues - and an ever developing tourism sector which sees some 60,000 visitors to our Islands each year.
As the thirtieth anniversary of the 1982 conflict approaches, the people of the Falklands are focusing on looking forward to a positive and prosperous future - one that is driven and shaped by the Islanders themselves.
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The title of this article says it all. Let the Falkland Islanders decide...
Ban KM: “Yes, do what Argentina says”
Sean Penn: “... and an end to colonialism, unless it affects me.”
Ban KM: “Yes, do what Sean Penn says”
The specificity of the Malvinas question is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. Therefore, the possibility is to apply the principle of self-determination, as its exercise by the inhabitants of the islands would cause the “disruption of national unity and territorial integrity” of Argentina. In this regard it should be noted that resolution 1514 (XV) “Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” in the sixth paragraph states that “Any attempt aimed at partial or total disruption of national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter. ”In the Malvinas Question General Assembly of the United Nations included this doctrine - the principle of territorial integrity taking into account the interests and NOT the wishes of the people of the islands - in its resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12) , 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute and reaffirm the invitation made in resolution 2065 (XX) Parties (Argentina and the United Kingdom) ”to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee with due regard to the provisions and objectives of the UN Charter and Resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the islands from 2004 Malvinas.A the Argentine government that the Malvinas Islands Question permanently on the agenda and in the paper by the Bureau of the General Assembly.
To be fair it does apply... because historically you never owned it. The fact you managed to get onto the islands and illegally squat on them, before being quite rightly returned from whence you came doesn't mysteriously deny the islanders their basic right of self determination. Just like the Scottish get to choose if they want to stay in the Union, the Islanders get to choose if they want to be a protectorate.
Don't bother quoting the UN Colonisation Committee, it's a farce with no remit that no country worth it's weight in salt has any engagement with. It's like the UN Committee on Religious Freedom that is sponsored by the Kingdom of South Africa. They're all the epitome of contradiction, and Ban Ki-moon is apparently not very good at his job.
Mr Elsby....according to UN resolutions there is a sovereignty problem between Argentina and UK that need to be resolved only by those two countries.
The resolution also stated that both countries need to consider islander´s interests...NO WHISHES or SELF DETERMINATION, SHEEPS, or whatever......
Malvinas inhabitants are already represented by UK.
don´t fool yourselves....you´re NOT 3d party for talks.....
but hey....don´t take my words, let´s see what international org say about.
1) European Union - EU - Malvinas dispute a ‘bilateral issue’ .
”Falklands/Malvinas by EU members. This must be defined bilaterally between the UK and Argentina.”
2) U.S. Position on the Falkland (Malvinas) Islands
“. This is a bilateral issue that needs to be worked out directly between the governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom. WE ENCOURAGE both parties to resolve their differences through dialogue in normal diplomatic channels”
3) OAS - Organization American States AS AG/DEC. 53 (XXXVII O/07)
“ RECALLING ……the Governments of the Argentine Republic and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to resume negotiations in order to find, as soon as possible, a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute. “
4) United Nation UN C-24 A/AC.109/2007/L.8
“ REQUESTES the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom to
consolidate the current process of dialogue and cooperation through the resumption of negotiations in order to find as soon as possible a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute relating to the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas).”
5) UN - United Nations –RES. 928 (XVIII-0/88) and A/RES/43/25
”.REITERATES IT REQUEST to the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to initiate negotiations with a view to finding the means to resolve peacefully and definitively the problems pending between both countries..”
Pure nonsense of the highest order and the UN ABSOLUTELY does not subjectively apply its core principles.
Like seriously, who in the Ulcerous Nations is responsible for admonishing these people? I know Ban Ki-moon (South Korean) is at the top of the tree, but who is supposed to inform Argentina that this is effectively a constitutionally enshrined nationalistic cry for Japanese Empire style expansionism.
Long Live the Falklands.
Are you copying and pasting the same rubbish that others are copying and pasting from article to article?
Negotiation isn't required because Argentina never “owned” the Falkland Islands in the first place. It just seems they think they do, especially during the early 1980s, which all came to an abrupt halt at the time.
There in a nutshell is why the Argies are going nowhere fast :-))))))
It's all he ever does. His theory misses the fact that the very c-24 he talks about states in it's very charter that there is no alternative to self-determination.
His theory also seems to rely on the “fact” that the islanders broke a law over 100 years before the law was in existence. And that because they “Broke” Argentina's territorial integrity over 100 years before the law was in place, this somehow deny's them human rights in this day and age.
“taking into account the interests and NOT the wishes of the people of the islands”
I've yet to see him try explain this part. I have no idea how someone can claim to be in someone's interests while being against there wishes. Kinda sounds like a line a rapist would use in court to try and justify it.
“I know it was against her wishes, your honour.. But i assure you it was in her best interests.”
Apparently in Argentina you give them the car. This explains an awful lot about Argentina.
www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=208288
The funny thing about all of this, is that there is a huge amount of psychological literature explaining that the incredibly one sided arguments used by the Argentinians only works on less intelligent people. In order to create opinion change in intelligent people you have to show a both sides of the story, through a balanced argument. Clearly someone has realised that to lead the Argies around like sheep, they need to use the methods for thick people. Doesn't say a lot about the Argentinians really.
QUOTE “The principle of self-determination does not apply to the Question of the Malvinas Islands.”
In other words “we want to ride rough shod over the inferior untermensh who happen to live in the bit of lebensraum we claim, they must be crushed beneath the jackboot of Argentine imperialism and not allowed to resist”.
Are you wearing your swastika armband?
Are you wearing your swastika armband?
No but the NAZI brits are....
Argentina lebensraum...Interesting.Distance from Islas de lso estados Malvinas 320 NM,distance uk MAlvinas 8000 NM...Interesting concept of Lebensraum...
Down with the brits pirates!
I do believe The Japanese Empire, sorry Argentinian just came up with the 'Geographic Proximity' argument again.Same reason they used for invading Chile in the Beagle conflict. “This part of Chile is really close to Argentina, so I think we'll have it”. Repeat until all Chile annexed.
Snap
Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The Argentine exclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
As an example we have the BIG LIE approach of a stinking nazi argie who would like the world to believe that Brits and Falklanders are at fault whilst it was it's country that welcomed the Nazi murderers, learned from them and put their views and attitudes into practice.
Is there anybody out there who could explain why posters such as the one at 19 should not be turned into fertiliser? Naturally, prior execution would be too kind. Just feed the argie animals into the shredder and grinder and shredder feet first. Would there be screams and pleas for mercy? Who cares? Do the argie animals care about the Falkland Islanders? Why should the Falkland Islanders or Britain care about argies? Is there anything apart from sub-human animals alive on the South American continent? Its highest forms seem to have labels like Chavez and Kirchner. Are these THINGS worth keeping?
Blame the head, not the hands.
They are so brain washed, that even if the UN voted for the Falklanders, they would not accept it,
Even if the whole bloody world agreed with the islanders, they will refuse to accept it,
As long as they have deep internal problems, as long as they keep going downwards, as long as they are slowly crumbling, then CFK and her government has the perfect excuse,
And her bloggers the perfect storm.
British it’s the only way to go .
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2065 is long dead. The others between 1982 and 1988 are also dead.
Argentina needs a new one. Which is what I think all the shouting is about !!
Part 2 requests the two countries report on the results of the negotiations, which would of course be, there have been no negotiations because “Going against the principle of the resolution Argentina has enshrined its demands to annex the islands and will not accept their independence, as expected by the special committee.”
That quashes all those resolutions, as completely unworkable.
really says it all. Very unbiased.
I love it how the island colonists cite their own as authorities on what should be done with the issue at hand. more biased impossible...
It explicitly states that the UK should decolonise terroritories and give them independence, but in no way discusses transfer of sovereignty. The most the UK would have to do is to agree oil and fishing rights,etc, but we all know that the Argies walked out of those talks in 2003, and those should be led by the Islanders if they're gaining independence.
Seems the UK government is doing everything it's asked to do and the Argentinians are the ones going against UN resolutions by demanding sovereignty talks.
That only took a literate person 5 minutes to find all that out.
Sorry, but that's an inane comment even from you.
Barry's a politician. Why would he be 'unbiased'? He's answerable to the people who voted for him. He's a Falkland Islander- why would he say anything different?
Your politicians constantly spew out the most appalling lies and distortions, citing their own authorities on what should be done. Are you seriously suggesting Timerman is 'unbiased'?
And yet an Argentinian Government that is just the latest in a long line of Governments that has never set a foot in the Islands (1982 excepted) or ever had any influence over their administration whatsoever since their discoverey and settlement (apart for a brief unsuccesful attempt at setting up a penal colony nearly 200 years ago), somehow should have some influence in the matter. Please explain that one to me.
However, it is uplifting to hear the US Department of state that the UK and Argentina should negotiate.
It is even more uplifting to hear the HEADS OF STATES of Brazil, Uruguay, and Chile (and many others) say that the Malvinas by right (not by might) belong to Argentina.
“1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation. ” >> Argies are truly buggered with that one.
“2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development. ” >> Again, not very good for the Argies.
“4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.” >> Sounds a bit like Argies should be making people independent en-masse... not Annexing them into their state.
“5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.” >> Doesn't help the argies
Frankly, none of these discuss Argentina annexing islands. They must have very poorly skilled lawyers.
They started with 4, then 5, 6, 7, 8 and now 9.
So...
1-They don’t know math?
2-The mortality rate is too high and the average Islander just lives 20 years.
3-Or they are a big lairs?
Secondly, if we look at definitions for colony we get:
Definition 1 - “a group of people who leave their native country to form in a new land a settlement subject to, or connected with, the parent nation.”
Definition 2 - “a number of people coming from the same country, or speaking the same language, residing in a foreign country or city, or a particular section of it.”
So, if sovereignty is transferred to Argentina it would technically be creating definition 2, which is expressly against the UN Charter and the remit of the “Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples”. By even discussing sovereignty of the islands they are potentially discussing colonisation, which is against the resolutions. Argentina in discussing change of sovereignty that would create a colony is going against the remit of the committee and the resolutions.
Outcome: British government should not enter into any talks on sovereignty.
Add in a few people marrying and having kids earlier than years ago - and you can get to 9 generations born quite easily!
Hell I was born in 1950 as a 5th generation with oldish parents - bound to be plenty of 6 generation folks about then as well.
Its you who lives in fantasy - as more and more Argentine claims and statements are becoming.
You really are a complete plank.
You can easily get 4 generations alive at the same time. The gap between generations is around 25 years, but people don't generally die as soon as they reproduce.
You didn't think that out very well did you?
There are children born now who are ninth generation, or first, or fifth- depends who you are.
sticky logic: Distance from Argentina to the tiny Martin Gracia; 5 Km.Distance from Uruguay to MArtin Garcia:3 km
What a PIRATE.my GOd..
uk will lose Malvinas...it is written in the walls ..save your breath,brits pricks..
If a generation is counted according with you over 25 years you cannot have 9 simple math.
So lads you admit that the guy on that the pic is a liar, right?
Because he said “Despite adversity, we are upbeat about our future, drawing on the strength of nine generations of Islanders” Nine=9 and not 7
But the argies are down here since 1580 at least so they have a minimum of 17 generations (according with your own definition of new generation). Which explains clearly for me that they have a strong claim for the Islands, right?
So give them the Islands back, clearly you are opportunistic squatters and liars.
What if we put it this way:
“Falkland Islanders have the right to go on keeping their ILLICIT ASSOCIATION with the UK.”
#IncredibleButReal :D
Another Englishman tourist in Argentina calling for self dtermination. It's no wonder that no country on earth supports them.
That reminds me the argies have already got a Malvinas :-))))))
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSo0duY7-9s
hahahjajkaka,......or whatever.....you have'nt had another mini-stroke for a while, have thye chnaged your medication?
Are you still FINISHED?
I see that you started to swear again a sign you realise deep down that your arguments are morally bankrupt and based on institutionalised lying.
I loved the rather pathetic attempt to tar us with the same brush I used on you.
Being as you want to ethnically cleanse the islands, I would put you down for one of CFKs Einsatzgruppen. That would suit you, I mean unarmed civilians are a much better target that armed service men.
The geographical argument is rubbish- every country in the world could claim whatever it liked based on proximity or continental shelf arrangements. If I wanted I could claim that being as during the Triassic period all the continents were joined into one super continent (Pangea) and being as the geological deposits in the UK were continuous throughout large swathes of this landmass then we could claim whatever land happens to have the same rock beds as found in UK Triassic rock..... and this would have as much force as getting out a ruler and measuring the distances between places on google Earth.
Argentines still parrott the “Falklanders don't have self determination line”. I mean how dare they not want to kowtow to you.
It must be really frustrating to see us basically shrugging our shoulders at you before issuing one two fingered salute after another at your threats and attempts to isolate the islands.
No one cares about what Argentina thinks, or claims about the level of support it has. Apart from Hugo Chavez no on else is really going to do a thing to help you in any meaningful way. Hugo Chavez won't be a palyer for long anyway.
Argentine imperialism........FACEPALM
The youngest generation are still babies you tool. And the original settlers came here as grown ups. And no, he's not a liar.
Anyway, we don't have to argue about this with you because it's none of your business. Frankly I couldn't care less what you think.
I don't care either how many generations of colonialists have lived in Argentina since they stole their country, just as long as they stay there.
You are very infantile he is a liar as the whole Brits politicians are.
Nothing of what you say is consistent and credible.
Anyway if you don’t care why are you replying me? Its not silly?
Have a nice day
You might want to have a look at your Argsoc members. I think you'll be enlightened to find they are too.
shb:I see that you started to swear again a sign you realise deep down that your arguments are morally bankrupt and based on institutionalised lying.
AHAHAHHAHAHH! The brits idiots still wasting their money foolishly.....while uk is bankrupt and getting worse...
We're so foolish, us brit idiots.... so very foolish and shortsighted.
Go back to school & learn maths.
As Monty said, its none of your business anyway.
Butt out.
Frankly this issue has occupied virtually zero newspaper column inches and its been on the TV about twice since the Argentines started crying. There have been a few internet articles but nothing of great note. For the average British citizen the majority wont even know that there has been an issue recently.
Everyone else has moved on, including the UN, US and the South Americans. This is yesterdays issue, a bit of a sideshow as it usually is for the UK and the rest of the world.
Who is the new england manager anyways?
Because he knew full well that he was founding a settlement in British territory.Enough said.
@55 There isn't a new manager yet. Stuart Pearce is standing in for the game against the Netherlands later this month but after that hopefully they'll have found someone to take over on a more permanent basis.
Malvinas are a piece of Argentina's land. Geographically and territorially, Argentina has the right to claim the islands, but…
What do we do with the 3000 British people currently living in the islands? They are also lawfully the landlords of what they call The Falkland. Self-determination won’t do the trick. The islanders cannot dream to be the 14th South American independent country (and most likely member of the commonwealth!). Remain British is not an option either. So? Do we fight again? This time Argentina will prevail because England got weak and cannot afford a war of this nature without big brother assistance. Big brother (US) is in deep caca. Thanks…….
Territorially, the Argentinians claim a mystical territory called 'las malvinas' which through historical revisionism they found they owned, even though they were at best illegal squatters. In this universe, they have never owned the Falklands, this is just an objective fact fully recognised in history.
The Special Committee on Decolonisation cannot advise an exchange of sovereignty from UK to Argentina. The UK quite rightfully refuses to discuss sovereignty because of this. This contradicts the committees remit and the Charter of the UN. The only option left to the Falklands is for them to be 'decolonised' and become a self-governing nation under the protection of her majesty's British Government. They effectively became self governing in 2001 after the referendum, when they became a unicameral democracy. They should then be accepted to the UN as a new member.
If the Argentinians still claim in their constitution that a decolonised country is a part of their territory, then that's basically 'aggressive colonisation' and puts them up there with Nazi-germany and the Empire of Japan ... again.
“They are also lawfully the landlords of what they call The Falkland. ”
Correct. Debate over.
“The islanders cannot dream to be the 14th South American independent country”
Why not? If they claimed independence tomorrow, there isn't a serious country in the world that would oppose it.
“Remain British is not an option either.”
Yes, it is. It seems to be working fine at the moment.
“This time Argentina will prevail because England got weak and cannot afford a war of this nature without big brother assistance”
It's not a matter of how weak you are, but how much stronger you are than your oponent. Pitcairn Island could afford a war against against the likes of Argentina.
Simply not true - the garrison was expelled. The civilians were allowed to remain. Their decendents live in the Falklands today...
Malvinas are a piece of Argentina's land. Geographically and territorially, Argentina has the right to claim the islands,
That one is easy
Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The Argentine exclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
Why insult the United Nations and Decolonization Committee? Will these prestigious global agencies show that the arguments are totally true Argentine and England are false. The decolonization committee is one of the organs most heard around the world, the International Court of Justice in its opinions, is based on the resolutions committee of decolonization.
Ban Ki-moon, is doing a very good at his job in clarifying the Falklands conflict.
5 and 10 BenC30
These profoundly wrong. You keep insulting to all those who think differently from you. You try to trash others and never heard a criticism from you. It is not copy and paste. Annoyed by the legal arguments, historical and geographical. The truth is unique, unchanging over time and is not fashion and speak with no argument, without taking into account the historical and social processes. The truth does not go out of fashion. Best studied Resolutions of the Committee on Decolonization United Nations is the international institution most knowledgeable of colonialism and imperialism in the world. The islanders are not British in Argentine territory. Learn from 6 so_far which argues well the Falklands conflict.
11 HillGold
Raul, could get more of that 'us where the original population of garbage?
So that I will explain if I try to trash? I will not do your job. Seek thou the Argentine arguments on the Web.
13 zethe
You have eyes but see not, ears but do not want you to hear.
With respect, you are so full of hatred and resentment that this obsession with doctrines colonialists and imperialists who do not accept other ways of thinking, especially Latin Americans. Thinking differently is the most normal thing in democracy and freedom.
Ban Ki-moon apparently spends his days forgetting the brazenness of Yi Seungman's theft of Liancourt rocks off the Japanese in an opportunistic post WW2 land-grab. He forgets the effects of the intention of the Empire of Japan to subjugate his country to their occupation and he forgets the desire of the North Koreans to do the same. That's probably why he's called the slippery eel by his fellow countrymen.
The fact that Argentina is allowed to actually discuss the transfer of sovereignty of something that never belonged to them in order to create of a new colony of people subjugated to it's rule and in the UN is just incogitable. This is a poor reflection on Ban Ki-moons lack of leadership.
Now you can get back to polishing the SS symbol on your hat.
It is there choice and there’s alone, and if they freely voted to remain British, there is no one or any committee or organisation on the planet that can alter that argument unless you are a dictatorship,
They have the right and freedom to choose,
And Argentina has no rights to them no matter what a piece a paper says,
This is going well beyond Britain and Argentina and the Falklands,
It is really the difference between democracy and dictatorship, [please prove me wrong]
They have the right and not Argentina,
So go and find another land to steal.
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I see your point and I should say it is a valid one; nevertheless, the sovereignty issue remains unresolved.
The islands are seating over Argentine’s ocean platform. In another words, the island could be consider as part of the continent mass. Without the continent the islands could not survive. Britain has no much to do in lands that are so far away from home. UK is UK and the fact that UK is a bunch of islands in the North sea, it doesn’t really means than anyone can claim the British islands as their property or land to be annexed otherwise the French or the Spaniards could have well claimed them.(?).
The time for overseas colonies is over. It was over for India and Pakistan (self-determination), New Zealand, and Australia and now is the time for the Falklands.
Problems:
This is not longer a matter of the British quitting the islands and the Argentines takes over, nor for the Falkland to be a new borne independent country. The islanders want to be British and they are the lawful landlords of Argentine soil.
The Argies should come forward with a serious compensation (money) package to each and every islander family, a business class ticket and off they go back to the UK, otherwise, fight/war again would be the next step.
UK got weak over the years. Argies are not stronger than they were in 1982 (in fact they are weaker as well) but the UK implemented deep cuts in defense. The Brits don’t have money for maintaining the Trident system. The Americans are in deep waters. They only want to get out of Afghanistan. The external debt is so huge that none dare to mention. For the UK, the next nightmare is the Scottish independence and the Spaniards that sooner or later will piggy back on the Falkland issue over their Gibraltar. Emerging economies (Brazil-India and China) are on Argentine side. The entire south America is on Argentine side (not because we like argies) but because this is the right thing to do.
Back to the UK? why cant the argies go back to Spain,Italyetc
You are again claiming 'Geographic Proximity' as your reason for claiming sovereignty over the Falklands, this is the same fallacious logic used by Nazi Germany over its territorial claim and annexation of Austria, and the Empire of Japan over Korea.
The UN wouldn't go near the 'Geographic Proximity' argument with a sh!tty stick because France has geographic proximity to Spain, it is part of the same continental shelf.
The UN is very clear about this. The UK should be moving the territory towards the status of a self-governing territory and therefore decolonised, as per the Charter of the UN.
What you are espousing with 'compensation and a ticket idea' is called 'ethnic cleansing' and is heavily frowned upon by the international community because it's illegal and immoral.
Which communities are or aren't on Argentina's side is irrelevant. It is a British territory, we have the moral high-ground and we are completely in line with the UN Charter.
You can now get back to polishing your jack boots.
Your argument is very elevated and ethical but it is not good enough.
Try to be realistic.
Things have changed since WWII. You are no longer “the empire”. You are just another country among the 198 members of the UN. Your seat at the SC is not really relevant because your former allies (Russia) are no longer kneeling and your big brother is sinking in its own obesity and external debt.
As the Roman Empire in its own time, your empire is counting the days, but this is another topic.
The Falkland is a serious mess but it’s not the only one. The French has Reunion Island (middle of the Indic ocean) where the islanders consider themselves French. The nearest country is Mauritius ex French colony and then stolen by the British in 1810. While Mauritius has been independent (?) since 1968, Reunion is still French.
Non of the mentioned islands are seating on any continental platform.
Interesting.
The Falkland habitants want to be British but the islands are seating on Argentine continental platform. The islands belong to the Argeis, the landlords are Britons. May be it is about time to annex the islands to Argentina as another autonomous province; recognize English as the official language in Falkland (keep the name), expand jurisdiction and Argentinean law over the island (let them drive on the wrong side of the route), issue Argies’ passports for all but taxes and goodies remain in Argentina, and then, yes……..I’ll go back and polish my boots.
Cheers
You continuously resort to 'geographic proximity', which shows your support of adventurist expansionism used by Nazi-Germany.I ask you to refrain from using that argument because it is offensive to families of the people who were subjugated to Nazi and Empirical Japanese rule.
Mauritius is an example of an island that was decolonised to a state of self-government, and then it became a republic in 1992. Sovereignty was not transfeered to the nearest third world country on it's continental shelf that greedily wanted to annex it. That whole policy is called 'expansionism'.
The islands do not and never did belong to the Argentinians, this is provable by objective historical fact. Your goebellian attempts to reiterate it until it becomes fact don't work outside of Argentina. The presentation of your subjective belief as fact doesn't work either. Those methods typically only work on the weak minded, which is why they are extensively used in your country.
The creation of an autonomous province through transfer of sovereignty, to be subjugated under Argentinian rule is against the Charter of the UN and also the remit of the Special Committee on Decolonisation. Even entering into discussions on this would be counter to those aforementioned agreements.
In summary, nothing that you mentioned is real to this universe other than your need to polish your jackboots, Otto.
Sadly this one is to far gone,
Theirs nothing left upstairs,
Try another one, less indoctrinated .
Kind of makes you switch off and stop listening to them. However, I do find their inconsistency to be of great interest. They seem to be able to hide logical truths from themselves, in quite complex ways. Their use of denial is also quite advanced, which is quite surprising considering how weak minded they are.
we supose that somewhere deepdown, the truth is buried,
and it just take a little ??
to bring it to the top,
interesting.
I mean, not the real why, I would like to read the excuse...
Why should an Empire that dislikes diplomacy have that special seat at the UN?¿
Why do the ones that love blood and justify wars all the time should have that privilege?
They are not powerful anymore as to go on ruling in these Multilateral Organisms... And this situation creates more insecurity and wars on the world than peace and progress.
With Argentinians you only need to go one or two generations back before you find Grandpa was a decorate SS officer.
but as obe one kenobe said
their is another ?
It's like this. You move somewhere, you live there for a few years, you apply for citizenship, you fulfil the criteria, and voila, you are a Falkland Islander, or an American, or an Australian etc.
What is it with you Argentines and your icky obsession with where people came from?
but if you go back less than 3 generations [i belive]
is it not so that the family of cfk was not in argentina, but still in europe .
With all due respect, I believe that the Falkland Island should cease participating in the UN Subcommittee on Decolonisation. Why?
1) Because there is simply nothing to decolonise in the Falklands
2) Because that Subcommittee's recommendations are not mandatory like those of the Security Council
3) Because a majority of that Subcommittee's members come from totalitarian states like Cuba, Congo, Bolivia, Ethiopia, Tunisia, Tanzania, Venezuela, Iran, Irak, Mali, Ecuador, Papua-New Guinea, Syria, etc.
Good luck.
Philippe
UK doesn't have to give back land that you never owned. Just read the treaty signed in 1850, that you fraudulently ignored.
Don't talk about terrorists. 'the Condors' are a state sponsored terrorist group pensioned by the Argentinian government, and argentina should be on the list of terror sponsoring nations. As a Kerchnerist, you likely support this, hence your support state sponsored terror.
Don’t you ever get tired by posting all that rubbish and lies all the time? Do you work as the minister of propaganda of the falling a decadent British empire?
If you love so much your decadent Britain why don you live there? None want you down here have you noted that?
What you have posted perfectly suits you Argentines.
Only make it the Argentine Empire.
And certainly none of us want you here.
You must have noticed that!
The fact that Argentina sponsors international terrorism, is not my opinion. It's not propaganda, it's just simple basic fact.
Why don't you just invade South Georgia again, and can you explain your reasoning for why you own those islands too?
@70, @75 GreekYoghurt
You British won the war in 1982; this is the only reason why you are still occupying Argentine territory. Congratulations, but let face it, you only confronted a bunch of frozen boy scouts (with all due respect to those who fought and fall in the islands). The Argie army in the Falkland was expendables for the Junta. There was no plan to sustain the islands. The delusional Junta thought that their war adventure would be the beginnings for a negotiated resolution. The Junta was desperate to divert the internal tension/attention. The freaking hysteric Argies were protesting in May Square against the Junta on 01 April 1982 and on the 02 April they were celebrating and cheering the Junta as they regularly do “football style”. None cares about the Argentines and their ridiculous governments (Peron, his wife, juntas, Alfonsin, Menem, Dualde, De la Rua, and the Kitchners – oh my god! - I don’t know who is worse in this bunch). But…you Britons are no better. Do not hide behind the horse of WWII. The only good that came after WWII was the EU. The Germans are good people (and you know this very well) with the exception of the Nazi. During the WWII your ancestors survived because we were supplying the basics when you guys decided to destroy Europe (do not blame on Germany only. You and the French have good shares in the destruction of Europe).
I agree that all of us here (including the Falkland habitants) are occupying land that we took from the natives. My European ancestors made themselves sure to kill them all and create “space” for themselves. So far, no genocide investigation has been launched. Only some Mayas and Aztecas dared to pass a bill to the Spanish crown requesting all the stolen gold and silver be returned. No answers of course. Who cares? Do you? You have your share when it comes to piracy. …….In my next letter, I’ll make the point…..2000 characters is too little for explaining what I need to explain.
Argies are people who have been indoctrinated from birth into believing the merits of an extremist expansionist ideology built upon mussolini fascism and 1930s nazism. The pretense these mind-slaves give of peacefulness is just nauseating.
www.bfbs.com/news/falkland-islands/defending-falklands-mps-agenda-55022.html
i would stongly suggest our argie friends read it,
democracy or dictatorship,
your choice .
Argfags, y u no tired of faggotry?
They much further up the evolutionary scale than stupid malvinistas!
All this talk of faggots is making me hungry because in the uk and the Falklands), a faggot is a kind of meatball in gravy. Very British indeed. Yummy.
Listen,
Let bring the topic back to what it is.
Falkland/Malvinas – sovereignty/territoriality – self-determination.
I will only touch self-determination because it is something that English and Scottish are discussing nowadays. Would you like to see Scotland walking away? I’m sure you do as soon it is the fruit of self-determination, but……Would you like to see Sharia law in Manchester (aka Manchesterkistan). I’m sure you won’t not even if it is the self-determination of your Muslim population. I won’t like it at least. I think that you are over grading the issue of self-determination. 3000 islanders (even though they are landlords) have no right to determine sovereignty over territories that clearly are part of another country.
Pick up your islanders and the sheep and get the held out of the south Atlantic. By the way, I learned your language in the school, just across the Uruguayan river (east side). Cheers
but in reality you give up rather easily. I climbed tumbledown in 91 you'd have to be some sort of imbecile not to be able to hold that.
So until the islanders change their minds they are remaining British. You can't fight and wisely the Argentine government won't let the military have any cash it would only spend it on killing argentine students who are prefably tied up and or drugged can't be too careful can you?
Nobody else thinks you should get islands that are 400km away and have a tiny population that speak a different language.
“Nobody else thinks you should get islands that are 400km away and have a tiny population that speak a different language.”
What language are talking about? Pakistani?
I don't get it. Do you also have kebabs?
submarinersworld.blogspot.com/
FYI - this was happening all over the world - Americans would start a settlement, the French would kick them out, then the English would kick out the French, then the Russians, or the Mexicans, etc. But it has no bearing on present day borders in the rest of the New World. So why is Argentina able to rely on a 100 year claim, when no one else does?
Also, if the Argentines consider the islanders to be Argentine citizens, then they need to stop calling them “pirates”, “kelpers” and “planters”. What if the Argentine government / friends started calling their own citizens derogatory words? They need to stop speaking out of both sides of their mouths, and make friends of the islanders. The UK government just digs in its heels (along with the citizens) when the negative terminology is used.
If the islanders are planters for arriving in 1833, what does that make all the Europeans who settled in Patagonia after 1833? Are they also pirates for the past 180 years who need to be uprooted, so the land can be returned to the tribes? What about other “lost” territories from 1833 that now make up parts of Paraguay, Bolivia, Brazil and all of Paraguay? Will those lands be claimed next?
There are consequences for losing a war, just ask the Germans about the territory they lost after WWII. They won't get it back despite 65 years of democracy.
With your poor argument cut and past from the UK foreign office.
Argentina only option is to retake the Island by force.
Then remove the population (Diego Garcia British style) make a permanent base well armed with lets says 10.000 soldiers and another 5000 low class civilians with “planes descansar” doing nothing and wait 180 years.
Then they will say “This was happening all over the world - Americans would start a settlement, the French would kick them out, then the English would kick out the French, then the Russians, or the Mexicans, etc. But it has no bearing on present day borders in the rest of the New World. So why is UK (if still exist) able to rely on a 100 year claim, when no one else does?”
So it's been 180 years possibly time to give up on it?
You have NO class, Dany boy.
After all Australia did very well. Didn’t she?
With a bad attitude like that you Argies will not be invited to a great show,
Nope, you can all watch on TV, as most of Argentina will be watching it, crying from the beaches, lol.
they will still be british 50years from now,
and she will be long gone .
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