MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Port of Ushuaia refuses entry of cruise vessels that visited the Falkland Islands
Argentina has banned two cruise ships from calling at Ushuaia in Tierra del Fuego after they visited the Falkland Islands, apparently based on recent provincial legislation, according to reports in the Ushuaia media. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesALMOST unbelievable - until you factor in the Argentine factor, and then it is perfectly believable.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can assure anybody considering taking a cruise to the Antarctic that in future they will not be denied visits to all of the beautiful places in Argentina provided of course they are happy to sacrifice a visit to the Falklands - but as these visits are only of a few hours duration it will hardly detract from their enjoyment of what will still be a lifetime opportunity.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oooopsss, No British ships allowed in TDF.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ushuaianoticias.com/
Where's my gun? Where's my foot? Ahh - there it is. Bang.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So some arsehole in the Port Authority went off half-cocked and banned cruise ships from docking in Argentina.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0““If the measure was intended to harm the English and the Falklands, the damage has been inflicted on all the people that were scheduled to work with the two cruises in Ushuaia”, said Lieti.” TOO TRUE!
GREAT, CARRY ON YOU MORONS.
I wonder which they would rather see, the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) or some diego country who cannot operate a whelk stall between them?
@3 Marcos Alejandro (#) You obviously havent read this properly. Harming the local economy ? classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.....
Feb 27th, 2012 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is a typical Argentine solution. It is staggering how backward and destructive Argentina is, not only to the Falklands or the continent of South America, but to itself. Rational thought has completely subdued by national rhetoric. It is not surprising how much Argentina struggles economically when they are run by the corrupt and incompetent. Cruise Ship companies were having a tough time in Ushuaia anyway, this could be the final straw. Good bye Ushuaia economy.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos…P&O is British but Princess Cruises is based in America.
7 M_of_FI Ahh ok, then ask “that powerful” Jim Sensenbrenner for help :-)
Feb 27th, 2012 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AND, if you had any doubts they couldn't run a piss-up in a brewery, we present:
Feb 27th, 2012 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Don’t have a crap in Argentina': (to the tune of ‘Don’t cry for me Argentina)
“SEWER SYSTEM IN USHUAIA
Pumping station still not functioning
Almost a year since the technical report on the status of the sewer system of Ushuaia was presented by the Advisory Commission on Coastal Management Plan, the Government and Municipality has still not defined who will be responsible for the repair and maintenance.” Source Ushuaia Noticias.
What a bunch of tossers!
very childish, very childish indeed...
Feb 27th, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also... It seems to be a theme of Cristina to praise murderous and wife beaters such as Gaucho Rivero and Sean Penn and yet when innocent people die she seems to keep quiet on the matter.
Well…......well…........ well….........
Feb 27th, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I remember discussing last year on this same pages precisely this scenario with Kelper Islander1…......
He didn’t ”Think” we would dare to jeopardize our own Cruise Industry.
He was obviously wrong…………
The ”Gaucho Rivero” law is, from today, enforced in Tierra del Fuego, Santa Cruz and Chubut provinces….
It will soon be enforced in Buenos Aires province too.
To make a long story short…….. :
The Cruise companies will very soon have to choose between:
1) Calling 2/3 days in Buenos Aires
+Calling 1 day in Puerto Madryn
+Calling 1 day in Ushuahia
Or
2) Calling ½ day in Puerto Stanley (Where 30 to 40% of the calls have to be cancelled anyway because of adverse weather conditions)
I know precisely which business option I would choose if I was Marketing Director of any of those Cruise Companies…………..
11 Think
Feb 27th, 2012 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With your demonstrable thinking ability, Think, I think you would be lucky to be one of the dockers who couldn't think what was best for Ushaia.
What do you think, Think. :o)
“He didn’t ”Think” we would dare to jeopardize our own Cruise Industry.”
Feb 27th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well only a complete muppet would cut off their nose to spite their face. Notice the desperate back peddling from the president of the Ushuaia Tourism Chamber.
And only a complete muppet would be unaware that any US company or any of its foreign subsidiaries cannot participate in a foreign boycott, since it contravenes US anti-boycott legislation. Noncompliance can include large fines or exclusion from trading.
So whatever the wishes of Argentina, those Marketing Directors won't be taking action that could get them time in a federal facility.
Don't take my word for it, DYOR.
Cue some lying git making personal attacks and using smear and innuendo to cover up gross muppetry.
Think - Apart from the fact that these cruises are a demand led business and there is more interest in visiting the Falkland Islands. The last time your officials did this then the cruise companies simply cut the FI - Argentina leg off their offer resulting in a U -turn by your side. FI continue to make money and your officals make your own people lose business.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you need to revisit your lessons in marketing?
Following on from their successful policy to irritate and antagonise the Falklanders, Argentina believes that irritating and atagonising the entire world will be even more successful in attaining their Malvina fantasy.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How to win friends and influence people......
Feb 27th, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two ship loads of people who have just seen the truth of the peaceful, economically prosperous, beautiful Falkland Islands and their British heritage, now have their holiday disrupted by belligerent, bullying Argentina. Will they go away saying “well our holiday was spoilt but we understand the Argentinians reasons”? Or “what a bunch of idiots those Argies are with their untrue stories about the islands and their history and inhabitants”.
For many of the tourists the Falklands is a key point of their holiday - if I was the Marketing Director of the Cruise Companies I would be saying “Hello Punta Arenas, here are our dollars”.
By the way, the (murderer) Gaucho Rivero law seems to apply only to military and oil related vessels, so definitely a shot in the foot for Argentina.
This is awesome. I mean, you actually couldn't make this up.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 'Gaucho Rivero Bill'? Are you all insane?
So what are the payoffs here?
It might hurt us (a bit).
It won't get you any closer to sovereignty over the islands.
You end up looking even more like crazed bullies, and powerless bullies when it becomes clear that this is another strategy that makes you feel great for a short while and doesn't get you anywhere. It smacks of desperation to me.
That's assuming that you aren't a tourism operator in Ushuaia, or an Argentine who was planning to get off the boat.
How does this bill work anyway? Do you ban ships because they might be going to call somewhere at some point in the future? Do you get them to sign something to promise not to come here after BA?
Nothing compares to the wrath of a disaffected woman…………..
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(14) Beef
The “last time”, as you call it, was loooong time ago and just a rehearsal.
This one seems to be the real thing......
Fasten your seatbelts....
Fasten seat belts for what Think? Sounds like your own regional tourism official has got the hump at the fact that this is a strategy aimed at making local Argentinians poorer.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only think i am strapped in for is news of the farm-in with RKH :-)
Anyone else think this is highly amusing?
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is effectively now doing an economic blockade on its own economy, genius! Your economy is in the sewer and you are blocking one of the main sources of business in the local area!
At least there is one person in the local area with a brain (Chamber of Tourism) but alas Argentina commits another ridiculous and hostile act that has another damaging effect on its economy.
And when it couldn't get any dafter the Gaucho Bill doesn't even support what they are doing.......
I commented on a different news story asking what Malvinas Madness we could enjoy reading about this week. I never believed it would be this good.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Round of applause for Cristina.
Time for a gamble:
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I say it is more likley that cruise companies will drop Argentina rather than the FI from their schedules (if they have to make this choice).
I give odds of 10/1
Problem is that it is unlikley that any Argie even has a deposit to stump up.
This whole situation is hilarious, with it's economic blockades that don't exist, and trying to negotiate the unegotiable.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, does this mean we can finally repatriate the Argentinian war dead? Like come-on it's about time we sent them back... maybe on one final cruise.
Oh I don't know Beef, I'm sure at the current inflation levels in Argentina they could stump up 15 million pesos or £1.29 to you.....
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think- recall the topic well! But I also recall as Beef does that Nestor muttered about “problemos” - the big companies suggested that Stanley was a very popular destination and they could rerout Monte-Stanley-Cape Horn- Punta Arenas and Chilean Fiords,Puerto Montt etc to Valparaiso.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Result - the threat of “problemos” died quickly.
After all nothing much in BA-Madryn-Ushuaia that cannot be covered by the alternative route is there?
This way the US lines also then comply with US Law, and somehow I dont see a British Cruise Company dropping FI for Arg.
We will see as you say. More like a pair of shot feet to me though!
As for the smaller Expedition Ships - dont forget they too are hacked off with being ripped off in increasing annual amounts by corrupt officials in Ushuaia - and are waiting for the upcoming port improvements etc in Puerto Williams,Punta Arenas and new north-south airlinks to Stanley - then Ush. will no longer have a virtual monopoly.
Still with all the negative press in Arg and rest of S America after the Timmerman fantasy fiasco in N York and her own failed big speech - someone needs a headline I guess - even if the cost is a brace of shot feet!
It seems to me that if the Star Princess is flagged in Bermuda it's stuffed by the Gaucho Rivero Bill whether it calls at the Falklands or not.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No BA.
No Puerto Madryn.
No Ushuaia.
Never mind.
Surely your average tourist in that region is going to want to visit the Falklands ahead of anywhere else. That is the part of the region that all the fuss is over.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Far more interested in Falkland Islands than that toxic sewer Ushuaia.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite liked to have visited BA though as have never been to a third world capital city.
(19) Beef
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhhh yeahhhh……………..
RKH …………............................ I had almost forgotten them!
Not long for RKH´s long overdue, disappointing report.
Not long for BOR´s first “Duster” announcement .
Exciting times ahead…........... Indeed.
(25) Islander1
We will see.....................
If you want to visit the capital of a developing country then there are much better places to visit. I would advise on Kampala, great bunch of people and very positive on their future.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mmm clever move. This is insane another own goal for the argies
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think - RKH report and farm-in news! Disapointing for who Think? Me or you?
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Feel free to clear that up for me Think ;-):
I guess Chile can prepare for a large upswing in tourism from the tour operators.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile must be excited by these developments.
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Feb 27th, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for that Beef.
By coincidence I read an article in the Sunday Times about parts of Africa that are developing almost as fast as China. I seem to remember that Ghana and Ethiopia were featured and understand that Uganda has also made great advances in recent years.
Well, I'm sure the Punta Arenas tourist board are duly appreciative for the unexpected extra business...
Feb 27th, 2012 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A relief I don't work with this kind of tourism. Brazilian one is the safe bet.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyways it's a shame on the government. We on the MPF argued against it at the beginning as too extreme for the city. We proposed incentives for ships not going to the Islands, but well, it was a situation not even opposition could refuse.
Tierra del Fuego has an extremely big public sector. Which can not be fired because of Constitution. Thanks mainly to Colazo's Megapase. So now we are in a situation were we desperately need Nation's money to pay for salaries. It's a situation we dislike here but law is law and it has to be respected. And to get that money, we need to be even more nationalist than CFK herself. And any candidate, of any party, even raised in another country would do the same, it's harsh realpolitik. Nation gives us more than a cruise, or two, or ten or 30.
@33
Puerto Williams is the same size Stanley but most of the people are from the military. They lack any infraestructure for taking our place. And the will to move many people to the south. Fact is today's tourism to Williams is like a bonus track for visiting Ushuaia. You visit Ushuaia for a week and expend one day in Williams.
Ethiopia has some fantastic sights including a sprawling Christian complx and as some would believe the actual Ark of the Covenant. Only been to Kenya and Uganda and then only on work.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Planning on entering the Stanley marathon for my next non-ordinary holiday but need to do some training :-o
truly outstanding, an action which demonstrates exactly how much of a delusional, self pitying, idiotic joke argentina truly is
Feb 27th, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) they are attempting to destroy their own tourist industry in the vain attempt to somehow “hurt” the islanders.
2) they officially name the action after “Gaucho Rivero”, a man whose very existence torpedoes their delusional mythology surrounding the “expulsion” in 1833
3) they make this guy a frikkin national hero for killing five other argentine settlers (again, still mysteriously there 8 months after being “expelled”) before selling out his gang to get a reduced sentence.
still i guess after argentina's hilariously failed attempt to scream for pity at the UN, get neighbors to actually blockade the islanders, and get help from dictators, such delusional and idiotic actions are to be expected from such a worthless, brainwashed and crumbling third world nation
uk is more colonialist country of the world, everybody knows that. It is only necessary to read a little of history with an impartial view. In addition some british show themselves very racist because they always repeat the invented name “argies” to only to attack the argentine people. Obviously they only repeat this stupid name because they don´t find any valid argument to defend the stealing of different territories performed by their country.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please support and encourage argie action! This is fantastic news for the argie campaign to gain control of the Falkland Islands by “peaceful and diplomatic” means.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile, the Adonia is on its way to Puntas Arenas. Not limited by fuel considerations, Adonia and Star Princess continue their cruises. But argie “authorities” have made themselves liable to massive compensation claims. Cruises are nearly always taken by people with loads of money. And loads of money to sue the cruise lines and argie “authorities”. Has Ushuaia got loads of money?
As others have suggested, argieland should now look to see NO cruise ships. ANYWHERE! Good job, girls!
(36) Mr Stanic
Feb 27th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Always nice with a local correspondent giving the right perspective...
One question.....
In another thread an anglo poster called Frank (the yank) said that the bust of Vito Dumas that used to be at the Club de Yates has been stolen.
Is this true?
Ushuaia has nothing. They are there to serve the cruise ships, given higher wages and less tax to entice people to live there because it has nothing.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands will get enough oil revenue.. don't worry guys.. there is a great chance there will be an international airporthub soon...and you have a great base for Antartica tourism and further fly along routs to Latam, except Argentina.. All these obstacles are but growing pains for the benefit of the falklands.. you will see.. will take some time but its going to become a serious business as soon as oil is coming in and the airport and cruise port is established. Argenita is just bullshit... they will soon have a serious crisis and then.. who cares about those guys? no army, no brains.. just forget them
Feb 27th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thicko ... it wasn't at the Club de Yates..nor Club Nautico or AFASyN..... it was on public land next to the Falklands monument... when they did the road works next to that big sewage settling pond it vanished.... hasn't been seen since.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 040% of cruise liners cancel their Stanley call on account of weather? I know inflation is extreme in RG land but I doubt if even 4% miss Stanley and only do the outer islands which is what the punters really want to see.......
A very desperate move that will hurt a lot of RGs and have no immediate effect on the cruise lines. I seem to remember when I cruised around SA that they loaded up on supplies in TDF. If they are still doing that it is going to hurt a lot of small businesses and lower their external trade volume and the amount of U$ coming into the country. As usual it is shortsighted and they will back-peddle on it next year when the cruising starts again.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 037 Beef “Planning on entering the Stanley marathon for my next non-ordinary holiday but need to do some training ”
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes you do “BigFatDaddy” :-)
“British diplomats in Argentina are urgently seeking to clarify the circumstances surrounding this incident, and we are in contact with the company concerned.”
A national holiday in Argentina has delayed any further information, sorry.
national holiday !!! 46 that will help pay back your defaulted IMF loan, and your 40 billion to the USA. Some holiday with 25 percent inflation and a junk credit rating, georbellian dictator as a leader enjoy your days holiday dont spend to much cash. When you come back to work on wednesday less work for your port authorities when cruise ships cancel Argentina from itinary.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 047 The Argentines are a lot like the people of the Caribbean when it all boils down.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DON'T STOP THE CARNIVAL!
@38 Yep, I agree with all of the above. But they don't actually seem to know that they're doing this. It's like calling their football tournament after a ship that was sunk hanging around waiting to take part in some terribly obvious pincer strategy.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Forgive them father, for they know not what they do.
I think the Stanley folk were saying the local tourism got about £1mil off a cruise, maybe it's too high but the more cruises they turn away, and it's sure going to bite. I'm personally in favour of this Gaucho-grill Law, it's so hilarious and I want to see where this rabbit hole goes.
Which ticket would you buy? Monte / FI /Punta Arenas via Cape Horn or the BA ( dogshit capitol of the world) / Ushuaia ticket?
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I realise there are countless things that are utterly ridiculous about this situation, but isn't it a fact that no Argentinian as much as stepped foot in Ushuaia until many years after the British settlers arrived in the Falklands? How then can anyone in Ushuaia keep a straight face when they call the Falkland islanders pirates, etc?
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No doubt a completely moronic action, by a government being run by 70s crackpots who never actually became adults and thus fail to grok the concept that a “teenage” testosterone spike without experience and wisdom generally can get you killed. I don't give these measures long shelf-life.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THAT SAID, this has really vented the spleen out of even the “level-headed posters” here. “diego country”, “Ushuaia has nothing”, “sewer systems” “gun and foot”, “worthless/brainwashed”, its trully brought everyone's colors out . I fail to grasp why this news elicits such acrid sentiments, when all leavel headed people can analyze it and conclude it is puerile populist drivel that only may end up hurting Argentina's relations with the rest of the world.
Eventually, this will end, rationality will have to prevail and the last six months will be undone for both the benefits of Argentina and the islanders. HOWEVER, I still want no relationships with the islanders, EVER. They should be banned from any access to Argentina (except life or death emergency of some sort). And therwise, leave them alone.
@52 No relationships with the islanders? I take it that means you don't want to welcome them as fellow citizens into the Greater Argentinian Co-Prosperity Sphere. Good-oh.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont think you folk get it. The ban is on cruise ships that visit the Falklands - and as the cruise industry makes its money from cruising to the Antarctic - yes its the Antarctic people want to see not Port Stanley - those cruises will continue with the only alteration to their itinerary being to sail past the Falklands and straight to Ushuiaia and then Perhaps Punta Arenas. The cruise industry will simply adapt themselves to their new schedule.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@52 If you want no relationship with them. Does this mean you can have your war dead back?
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ No, they are British.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Yes, they should be repatriated at our expense. And that's it.
No more Falklands and no more islanders after that. I'll celebrate that day!
@54 Er... these two ships weren't going anywhere near Antarctica.... The Falklands and the Chilean channels/Chilean TdF are the high point of their time in the south.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have been there. Ushuaia has nothing. No heart as 98% of the population was not born there but goes there for the higher wages before returning to anywhere else. The place feels dead. I asked a local chap what people did for fun and he replied that there was a dance on Saturdays, a cinema too but mostly people had affairs to pass the long nights. I suggested he start a philately club.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is highly amusing just proves againe what ( twats ) they r .
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@50 Monte-FI-Punta Arenas of course. No one wants to be shouted at by some tiresomely brainwashed argentinian irk. I'd rather spend my money on Chilean stuff.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@56 Hooray, when are you coming to get them?
Elaine, sounds like Ushuaia is a lot like the larger cities in many english-speaking countries!
Feb 27th, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look at Frank and Elaine comments... they are acting a bit like CFK's cronies now. I guess testosterone is infectious. Sad.
No, Ushuaia is nothing like a city anywhere. I suspect you have never been there whereas I speak from first hand experience.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Elaine, sounds like Ushuaia is a lot like the larger cities in many english-speaking countries!” Hmm.. prosaic humour unleashed.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is, you're upset because this is an example of how petty your country is. But I personally find you and your country hilarious. hahahHAhahaha *prod prod*
@56 'Yes, they ( the war dead) should be repatriated'
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To repatriate... 'to return or send back to their native country'
So at last Tobias agrees that the Falklands aren't argentine.
Bonzer...
@41
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As far as I remember it's still there. Truth is that as I live there I don't go all the time seeing the small monuments. Anyway, I will check as soon as I go near there.
@42
What envy does, doesn't it? You are right, we lack that bothering 24/7 wind, we lack that boring repeated landscape. We have to avoid competition with you. We only have our exhuberant forests. Our prominent mountains. Our ski centers. Our famous lighthouse. Our glaciar. Our campings. Our lakes. Our landscape. Our rivers. Our hotels. Our trekking tours. Our train. Our National Park. Our Playa Larga. Our Isla de los Lobos. Our Catamaranes. Our Harberton. Our helicopter rides. And many more. Way more.
You only beat us in penguins, small islands and wind. Maybe sunlight too depending the day of the year. When all what I mentioned dissapears, then we have nothing.
Elaine,la portorriquena please!!, read this
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.diarioregistrado.com/sociedad/58105-independencia-kelper-no-existe.html
Elaine, you are speaking out of an open wound for some reason. As is Frank, both your comments are too obvious but again, whatever is eating at both of you has blinded you to that fact.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“People go to see the Falklands and Chile”... That's what you have just said, I have a friend who works directly in the cruise industry (travel agent). People want to see the NATURE. That includes the nature in the Falklands, in Estados Island, along the coast of Tierra del Fuego, and on the Chilean side.
And Ushuaia is KEY not for the city so much, but because people want to take pictures in the 'southernmost' city in the world. Stop looking like idiots making comments are clearly wafting out of raw skin.
@58
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love when people get their facts wrong. Ushuaia as all of TDF has an extremely young population. Families tend to have 3 or 4 children. I won't put my money at half but at least 40% of us here are Fueguians. Even if most are first generation. At my class, of 30, 24 were born here. That should give you a hint. And that was 20 years ago.
No wound here. I was just stating a fact but you seem very bruised by it.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you just admitted Ushuaia has nothing. The people there rely on the income and trade from cruise ships. What happens when the cruise companies decide not to go there?
No the argentine war dead should remain in the cemetery near Darwin and the commonwealth war grave people should look after it properly.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The turks do it for our war dead. unless the Argetine government and more importantly the families of the fallen want it.
been there it's a lovely spot poor bastards didn't have a choice let them rest in peace.
@65 The train is good. Harberton ditto. For the rest Punta Arenas/Natales/Torres del Paine trumps you.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The bust went when they did up the road down there in about 2009... maybe it has since been found.. it would be good if it has.
@67 The southernmost city is either Puerto Williams or Punta Arenas. Why would they go to an argentinian hovel to have a photo and get shouted at by irksome propagandaised argentinian gimps?
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That would ruin the cruise.
@ Frank
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No bonzer. I can't agree to what I have never believed. However, your mindless prejudice proves that like GreekYoghurt, you are a racist towards Argentines. Good to know.
Elaine, Ushuaia has “somethings”. People need to stretch their legs, be with other people, drink a cup of coffee or some other food besides cruise fair, get off the ship. Take pictures at the end of RN3. Get over yourself your comments were reactionary, I called you and others on it, admit it. I still don't know what so many people are so visceral at this news that they are laxing their standards of conduct. And do you think there is no nature outside “Ushuaia” to trek to?
Your comments alongside others were silly, that's all.
@73 Argentines aren't a race. You ethnically cleansed/killed all the native americans in your country, because of your belief in a master race, and you continue to treat them badly to this date. Your genetic castes are spanish undermenschen, italian postwar-escapees from the allies and your political class are mainly germans from the ODESSA ratlines.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Claiming I'm a racist when not only did you folks genocide your natives but your political class tried to genocide the european jews too, turns your argument into a bit of a farce.
@70 I agree, leave them where they are and at least they rest in freedom. Just wanted to see what the Argies thought.
@68 'Families tend to have 3 or 4 children. '
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That would suggest there isn't much to do around town... :)
GreekYoghurt
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Puerto Williams could be on true geographical terms, but its nowhere close in being a city yet, much less a major port of call. As a good “anglosaxon” you would know that good slogans are better than the real thing “World series” for national sporting finals, “we invented football” for a sport that has existed in some shape or form for millenia ;)
Punta Arenas is a couple degrees latitude further north. So you should put your maps of South America with the “N” arrow going up the page.
Unless your next argument will be “Punta Arenas has humans”, Ushuaia “Argfags”, which of course is still a lie and does nothing to better your racist reputation. Though your last post even did a better job.
You are a racist my friend.
@75 maybe sex tourism is a part of their industry around there.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(65) Juan Stanic
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks pibe……
Just another lie from Frank the Yank……. As usual…..
“undermenschen”, I think you meant “Untermensch”.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bitte schreiben Sie ja die Sprache der Bevölkerung, die du bewunderst gut!
@76 I know Argentinians are human. There just isn't an 'Argentinian race' per se. There was, but you killed them all or pushed them over the border into Chile or pretended they were Paraguayan and slaughtered them. Either way, if someone fears or dislikes a country or culture it's xenophobe.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, I don't fear Argies and the curious self-deprecating things they do, I find them dreadfully funny.
We invented the rules for football and created the first club league. I don't think we claimed to have invented kicking a spherical object around. Besides, football is a terrible game for ladies and poor people, rugger is much better.
... and yes, we invented rugby (and baseball)
@69
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some gas revenues. Some fishing. And lastly some factories. People who work there earns insanely compared to others, almost twice. And that money is spent and so business is doing great right now.
What will happen? Maybe 1.000 people. 2.000 at most will loose their jobs. I would worry if Brazilians stopped coming in winter. That would be a crappy situation.
@71
The Ski resorts Frank. And the mountains right in front of you. And the landscape. Punta Arenas looses there. They are an important port in the South. And they get people who want to go to Paine Towers. But there, in Punta Arenas it self, they don't go after tourism as much as they do with commerce, and they don't have that much to see that can't be seen in any Patagonian city from Bariloche or Puerto Montt to the South.
@72
Ask that to the 150.000(aprox) people who come for that every year. And that's not counting people who come in winter for skiing and that.
baseball? And the Canadians invented baskeball so what's left for the yanks/septics?
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I call you racist based on a whole month of observing your comments. I don't take that lightly. Why would you have said “spanish unDermenschen, italian outkasts, and german ODESSA” otherwise (when you know no one will believe that, Argentina's immigration being far older than either the world wars or the mass Spanish migration).
In fact, it was the WEALTHIER peoples that tended to migrate to Argentina, wealthier Irish, Brits, Italians (which is why unlike in the USA Argentina has not just southern italians but central and northern ones who werent as eager to migrate), French, Russians, etc... because the boat tickets were far more expensive than a clipper to the US east coast.
And as for the Jews, Buenos Aires has Kosher McDonalds, tolerant London, nope.
Why bring up history again? Then you get mad when we bring up British history of killing and persecution (mainly to your own people).
This measure should be extended to all Argentine ports and Mercosur Members.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(82) Tobias
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do we really have a Kosher Mc Donalds in BUE?
Didn´t know!
Where?
Geeeee.. You learn something everyday.
@82 I'll let you research the first recorded entry of the rules of baseball, and it's not in Canada.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look, you probably have your own view of Argentina being full of all these happy people living under Peronism, and that's fine. I don't intend on breaking the spell on your subjective experience. But denying the ODESSA ratlines is something else.
I didn't bring up history.. you called mistakenly called me a racist without actually knowing what the term means. I simply defended myself using subcultural cues that you understand.
If all the wealthier people emigrated to Argentina, then why are you all so darned poor, and the FIslanders so very very rich?
Marcos - FYI I have ran four marathons in the past three years, including Abingdon, Stratford and Berlin.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BFD is my alter ego. Come on Private Pile what's yours?
Can we all get back to laughing at the Argentinian port-based pettiness? I think we got distracted.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(86) Beef
Feb 27th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Finishing time at Berlin?
This makes Argentina look pathetic to the outside world. If they actually want to talk sensibly and properly, why do something like this??
Feb 27th, 2012 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brits in Malvinas are very sensitive when they are told the truth, even with one of their own. Not wonder tourist prefer Ushuaia.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Eight years ago I made a joke about the islands in an article for this paper. I soon wished I hadn't
As Guardian science correspondent, I was invited by the British Antarctic Survey to visit one of its research bases, a gruelling journey that involves transit through Port Stanley. In a preview piece I joked that ”by the time you read this, home will be a shack in a desolate, godforsaken land. Then I will leave the Falkland Islands for Antarctica.“
Public opinion eventually dictated that, while the rest of the party enjoyed dinner at the governor's house, I was dragged on to the radio to apologise.
Officially, the reason for the outrage was that my criticism could damage tourism”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/shortcuts/2012/feb/12/offended-falkland-islands
@90 urm, I think we just need to wait and see which one they go visit. But we're not using INDEC tourism figures because they're clearly going to be made up. Let's wait for the data.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(83) DanyBerger
Feb 27th, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“This measure should be extended to all Argentine ports and Mercosur members”
I say:
That has been our objective all along............
Hope Brazil wants to play ball....
@92 I like this game.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
That has been our objective all along............
Hope Brazil wants to play ball....
Brazil says:
Okay
Now what? No cruise ships?
(86) Beef
Feb 27th, 2012 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes you need to do some training BFD, you run like an old lady :-)
Berlin update:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1UvxxYIv3U
56 tobias
Feb 27th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''I'll celebrate that day!''
Not as much as we will pal. Did any of us ever say we wanted access to Argentina?
84 Think “Do we really have a Kosher Mc Donalds in BUE?”
Feb 27th, 2012 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, at the Abasto and not at Once like I thought.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vMNUvoaXBU
ARGENTINA SCORES AN OWN GOAL.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its quite ironic really given that the British named ushuaia and were there 40 years before the Argentines!
Feb 27th, 2012 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ironic as well that it was originally a penal colony.
Looks like you little child like fascists are jumping up and down at what can only result in Argentina looking like some kind of tin pot Nazi state set on regional expansion. While the cruise ship industry will likely just avoid Argentine ports from now on.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We've seen it all before.
Franco cut Spain off from Gibraltar for 42 years. The Gibraltarians were pissed off when the border reopened. Nothing changed. Apart from the Gibraltarians becoming even more British.
Argentina is like the medieval knight in Monty Pythons Search for the Holly Grail, who fights an enormous rabbit, only to be defeated by it. When you compare the Falklands population of 3,500 with Argentina's 40 million, all you can do is laugh. 40 MILLION v 3,500 and the 3,500 win every time.
Nazi's never learn. The only good Nazi is a dead one. And soon you guys are going to fall into that trap.
All this whole saga does is make people look more closely at what is really going on in Argentina and how their society operates. They are like spoilt children who if they dont get what they want by fair means they merely steal it or try to.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont think anyone realised that they are the bully boys of South America with child like politics. How can anyone treat this country seriously?
98 The Cestrian
Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's ironic that the British built Argentina, helped free Argentina, helped settle Argentina and after 1982 helped free Argentina.
I am an academic and my research has discovered that the British claimed the United Provinces in 1806, this claim (unlike the United Provinces claim on the Falklands - dropped in 1850), has NEVER been dropped.
I can provide the full text of the claim and the supporting documentation that proves beyond ANY reasonable doubt, that the UK OWNS Argentina.
I suppose the only people running to Argentina from Berlin where Fascists hey Marcos ;-)
Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your insults are meaningless considering I will be running to the bank with that lovely FI oil that your gvt decided they didn't want a piece off. More for me and it looks like history is repeating itself with the potential for less cruise ships to call by Argentina from now on, more income for FKL £££££££££££££££££
Just like Titerman in the UN Argentina continues to embarrass itself and wallow in self-pity.
I feel for those poor Argentines who have had good money taken away from them by some lazy official. They could have earned some US dollars and stored it away or got it out of Argentina to saver for their children or retirement.
I guess Argentines officials don't really care about Argentine people.
So I think what we are seeing 'give peace a chance' being back tracked on.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think maybe the UK should seek sanctions against Argentina via the UN/EU if it continues to economically bully the islanders.
Not to mention this is simply yet another diplomatic mistake for Argentina, you can't seek the high ground whilst living in the gutter.
83 DanyBerger
Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Berger, how's it cooking? It's a shame that dispite being anglo- Argentine all you do on here is post insults and hate monger against your mother country. I hope you realise that most of the Argentine fanatics posting here also hate Anglo-Argentines.
It is a shame because the British helped built Argentina, the British helped settle Argentina and the British helped free Argentina. But a country, that should be one of your closest partner has now been turned into your constant enemy. It's sad. Very sad.
That Argentines are taught to hate the British, hate the Falklands, call the people who live there pirates and spend half of their lives in a constant state of angst and semi depression contemplating taking the Falkland Islands over by threats, insults, economic terrorism and military posturing.
This is not the actions of a free trade loving, G20 nation. It's the attitude of a dysfunctional rouge state. The West does not want nations like Argentina destroying trade links.
The free world does not look on the nationalist, socialist, corporatist (the THREE pillars of Fascism and Nazism) of Argentine Peronism as being productive to the health of the region, trade links or peace.
Argentina is looked on the same way many Western nations see Syria.
I feel sorry for the ordinary Argentines, the ones who have figured all the Malvinas bullshit out for what it is, a distraction from the failing policies of the CFK government. While the Argentine government spends more and more time badgering the region into supporting its groundless claims on a neighboring territory, the Argentine government is looking increasingly incompetent and out of its depth in international politics. Argentine government looks like a 2 year old playing in a sandpit unsupervised. With one of the highest inflation rates in the world and the highest unemployment in the G20, all the Argentine government can say is “forget the economy, it's the Malvinas stupido”.
Adios Argentina.
Lets dig up their Nazi storm troopers and ship em back.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0102 Beef, “more income for FKL £££££££££££££££££”
Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Beef, money doesn't buy everything as you know very well.
“Two eggs, sir?” the lady said. “I'm afraid that won't be possible. We are down to one egg apiece now.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16980747
Ah more extraordinarily minor issues posted by Marcos my favourite news reader!
Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you have a complaint, what do you do,
Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 01, take it to the ICJ
or
2, act like children,
Number [2] seems to be the state of play,
But interestingly the argie bloggers sing at this event, shame then the people that will lose wages and business, may not think the same,
but alas the ICJ sits awaiting for your call, so when you children get fed up with shooting yourselves in the foot, and cutting of your nose to spite your face, [please] give them a call,
[You know it makes sense]
After all, who suffers the most,
Marcos - really, i am sure i bought a pack of 15 eggs from Tesco the other day. I know Argie pesos don't go far these days and your gvt are stopping you exchange it for something more real, but outside of your basketcase it is accountancy that makes the world go round.
Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Loving the wait for farm-in and cpr. Like Christmas :-)
@78..el thicko running true to form .. I picked up on his bullshit '40% ' statement and he reverts to petty name calling....
Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The bust vanished when they were doing the roadworks.. no one knew where it had gone... maybe it has reappeared... maybe some one found it wasn't really bronze after all... that would be good.
dickhead.....
106 Marcos Alejandro
Feb 27th, 2012 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We eat Penguin eggs here, not second rate infected food from Latin America.
Keep your eggs, the way your economy is going, your going to need every one of them.
Lets hope you don't die after eating them.
105 anti-fascist2
Yes it's about time all their dead Nazi scum were dug up and shipped back!
Marcos- plenty of fresh eggs fruit and veg now the container vessel has returned from the direct 2 day voyage to Chile and back- Chileans very happy to be doing business with the Islands again-front pages in their papers - Oh wasn,t there an Arg decree about shipping in and out of the Straits of Magellan somewhere?
Feb 28th, 2012 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0112 Islander1
Feb 28th, 2012 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fascists don't comprehend free trade. Or free anything for that matter. All they can understand is saluting flags and crying over the lost wars of aggression!
@98
Feb 28th, 2012 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0No. You failed. Ushuaia cames from the Yaghan name for the place. Ush (to the west) and waia (bay). In Yaghan you spell it Ushwaia, but becouse of Spanish pronunciation it's spelled Ushuaia.
The British were at first for Missionary and Scientific duty. No formal town was founded and the Anglican mission near Ushuaia existed in what's now called Mision Alta and Mision Baja. The city itself, founded by Argentines, is on the other side of Encerrada Bay, the foundation point being almost 2km from there.
Kirchner is very clever in her tactics. She turns the screw without damaging her own economy or openly confronting Britain and she keeps on the right side of the propaganda war.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0She knows that the cruise companies wont be particularly bothered at cutting out the Falklands from their itineraries and of course by doing so they will have access to Argentine ports so she won't be antagonising the business communites in places like Ushuaia.
She is playing a cunning hand and she waits. She waits for that oil to come out of the ground because she knows that popular nationalist sentiment thru the whole of south america might suddenly dictate events.
I like this lady.
'114 - wrong I'm afraid.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0the British named it - i never said what language it was in.
the Brits were there in 1833 (year ring a bell - think this was when you first invaded the Falklands) - Argentina turned up in 1873 - 40 years later. This time however we let you have it (we didnt want tears from you) 1873 was sometime after you booted the indigenous people out of their homeland to found your dictatorship.
BTW there is a case growing to say that the UK still owns Argentina. I think we need to take that one to the UN. you can leave tomorrow if you like and go back to spain. We'll ask the Falkland Islanders to form a new government in BA to look after British interests.
@115
Feb 28th, 2012 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0But anyway doing this is not the way. I would put an special tax on cruise companies stopping at the Islands without an official Argentine permission. And that's it. Or they ask for permission or they pay. It's easier and less dramatic.
115 dreyfoss
Feb 28th, 2012 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I bet you have here pictures all over your bedroom wall Kichener draped in the Argentina flag. Too stupid to realise that nationalism is used to sucker people, rather than serve them.
If every nation on earth suffered from the nationalism, we could all kill each other tomorrow.
You can judge a person intelligence by their ability to stand back and see the other side. Sadly Argentina is full of fools. As was German in 1939. As was Italy under Peron's hero Mussolini. Spain under Franco. Portugal under Salazar.
@117 - hopefully the cruise companies will simply bypass Argentina and go to Chile.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Although I can understand why your country needs the money as it once more has crumbled economically.
@119
Feb 28th, 2012 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not necesarely. No one said the permission would be either expensive or difficult to get. I would make it free and easy to get.
And regarding Ushuaia, we will have to disagree. The Yaghan knew this area as Ushwaia at least since the British explorers. The fact that it was those exploreres who made the name know to the world doesn't get the to claim they named it. It was already named.
115 dreyfoss
Feb 28th, 2012 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dreyfuss, It's a shame that all you people can do on here is post insults and hate monger.
It is a shame because the British helped built Argentina, the British helped settle Argentina and the British helped free Argentina. But a country, that should be one of your closest partner has now been turned into your constant enemy. It's sad. Very sad.
That Argentines are taught to hate the British, hate the Falklands, call the people who live there pirates and spend half of their lives in a constant state of angst and semi depression contemplating taking the Falkland Islands over by threats, insults, economic terrorism and military posturing.
This is not the actions of a free trade loving, G20 nation. It's the attitude of a dysfunctional rouge state. The West does not want nations like Argentina destroying trade links.The free world does not look on the nationalist, socialist, corporatist (the THREE pillars of Fascism and Nazism) of Argentine Peronism as being productive to the health of the region, trade links or peace.Argentina is looked on the same way many Western nations see Syria.
I feel sorry for the ordinary Argentines, the ones who have figured all the Malvinas bullshit out for what it is, a distraction from the failing policies of the CFK government. While the Argentine government spends more and more time badgering the region into supporting its groundless claims on a neighboring territory, the Argentine government is looking increasingly incompetent and out of its depth in international politics. Argentine government looks like a 2 year old playing in a sandpit unsupervised.
With one of the highest inflation rates in the world and the highest unemployment in the G20, all the Argentine government can say is “forget the economy, it's the Malvinas stupido”
@120 I'd prefer it if you kept on harassing the islanders and cruise ships. It merely demonstrates to the world what most people already think about your government and people.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its a shame that the antics of your fascist government reflects badly on your entire population but you've sat back and voted this cretin into power so I guess you get tarred with the same brush.
You do realise that to come back to basics you will never get the islands by force or bullying don't you? Your governments antics over the last 35 years put paid to any chance you ever had of owning this piece of land that was never yours.
The more you bleat on about it and take your claims all around the world the more discredited you become.
Eventually you'll have to invade again and we all know the outcome of that.
Here in the UK this issue is now a non story. It never features on our TV, fills about one square inch of our newspapers and no one over here gives too hoots about the issue. We all know that you will never own the Falklands.
Ah, good news for Punta Arenas!
Feb 28th, 2012 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
Keep it up please, this just gets better by the week. Business will find a way and you can bank on one straight fact...the demand for tourists to visit the unspoilt, beautiful, friendly and safe Falkland Islands will continue and flourish while the tourists and cruise industry will stay away from filthy dirty sewer washed, corrupt and dodgy Argentinean ports. The Falkland Islands and their business partners will have already activated their plans cut away the deadwood...the Kelpers are already rubbing their hands with glee!
Feb 28th, 2012 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, and the rawed comments continue. This is exactly why the loutish CFK buddies in TdF did this, because they want to rub it to the likes of people on this board.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0The policy is an utter failure for the real world, but it has really pissed off the people here. The level of insulting of Argentina has reached unprecedented levels here.
@ 115 “She waits for that oil to come out of the ground because she knows that popular nationalist sentiment thru the whole of south america might suddenly dictate events”.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0No it wont. The rest of South America cant stand Argentina. You're a naive nation to think that Brazil, Chile or Uruguay do anything but utter words to placate you to stop your bullying.
also can you not fight your own battles? why do you need Brazil and Uruguay to fight for you? It just makes you look weak and unable to stand on your own two corrupt feet.
Other than a minority in BA no one gives a toss about the FI issue. I would imagine that the majority of your countrymen aren't all that bothered about the issue either.
@ 3 why are you laughing? Many people in Ushuaia were expecting to make some money working with these tourists. Is that so funny?
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@85, you silly demographics dilettante... The Falkland Islanders are not “so rich”, since they have steep prices for most of life's necessities. And Argentines are not so poor being 85% of the planet has a lower GDP per capita.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0But back to my point, it is obvious to anyone with a brain that a clipper to Buenos Aires would be far more expensive than one to New York. Therefore (specially in the 1850-1890s period), it was not the “yearning masses” that left to Argentina, it was Irish, Germans, Spanish, French, and Italians which had money to buy land... only after 1890 did more of the “working” migrants begin to arrive, and that didn't begin in earnest until about 1915 and lasted to about 1940.
What does that have to do with current economics? I was just refuting your racist “refuse” of Europe comment. Of course, all people are equal, unlike the prevailining wisdom here to label argentines as sub-human... :)
You all can be racist, I'll just point it out.
Dreyfoss- please tell me why cruise ships will willingly drop the Falklands off in favour of Argentina,s threats etc? All the evidence to date is in the opposite direction - it will also put any US company (like Princess Cruises) in serious violation of US laws.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Christina clever? -
So Clever she threatend Lan - and they told her No - they will not stop flights to the Islands themselves.
So clever She has got her Mercosur partners to ban FI flagged ships- her partners promptly reminded FI ships that as they are on the UK registry as well they can fly the Brit red ensign and come in as normal.
So clever she imposed decree 261 to try and close the Straits of Magellan to vessels operating with the Islands - at least 6 have passed through with no problems - the latest just this weekend!
So clever she sent Timerman to the UN - with a lot of fantasy pictures - look what happened!
Are you still sure she is clever?
112 Islander1 : “the container vessel has returned from the direct 2 day voyage to Chile and back”, is that true?
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Heroes or Villains ??
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/argentinas-heroes/
Islander, I'm glad the Chileans and Uruguayans and Brazilians can make business with you. I hope that continues and my government stops any possible interference because that is not right.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope eventually all this will pass, and people can freely associate. I personally don't want any business between Argentina and the islands, but totaly oppose preventing others from doing so.
Another train (The F.ck one) has just hit the buffers........now will the cruise ships company directors show thier metal and knock Argentina off the ports of call list ?
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@122
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Business is the answer. Will the companies risk loosing profit from Argentina because of their moral and ethics? Some will, but it's certain some more will not. After all, it's just business.
Well, I will 100 times and more live under this particular feature of democracy than under our previous dictatorships. It's a occupational hazard from it. If other people vote something you dislike you have to live with it. Try to convince others of your view. It's certain people vote for a reason. Everybody has a motivation.
Some believe you are right, some believe that the passive stance didn't achieve nothing. You could call that the government is trying new strategies, and honestly, most of the people lost faith in the passive and cooperative approach.
And don't dare to call it our government. We didn't elect it. And most importantly we didn't decide to invade.
We won't invade again. As long as we are a democracy nobody will risk. It's almost political suicide even proposing of increase of the size of the armed forces.
Good for you. Here it appears on the news, we comment on what happened. And back to life. Some days it happen stuff like a discourse. And back to normal life.
It's good knowledge is not uniform and the same in every person. Until one of the countries drops the towel the issue won't be settled. It's a matter of who does first. History will eventually tell who will be the owner in a future. Much can happen in 100 years or more.
The ships will not drop the Falklands, but if that is the case then you people are delusional if you think they will drop Argentina.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sorry but some of you have a very inflated view of yourselves. Just as I admit the UK is a bigger power than Argentina and my country should behave accordingly, the islanders need to accept Argentina needs them for nothing, not because they are not worthy people, but simple demographics: 3000 vs 40 million. It's common sense, and those business (including cruises) who make money in Argentina have that in consideration as well.
come on! this is not the way!! there are better ways to talk about the sovereignty of our Islands...
Feb 28th, 2012 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0We should insist on talking, talking and talking and demonstrate we wish to have a good relationship with the islands...I think this does not help..
There is no sovereignty. The islanders don't want to be part of Argentina, and they are the current population there so that is what matters. Whatever happened in the past doesn't matter now. They are not going to talk about sovereignty and they shouldn't.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its better to focus on other things: I keep hearing that there are several Chilean towns who are asking for self-determination, and the city of Tarija in Bolivia (oil rich), has for a long time wished for self-determination too. There is an area in southern Paraguay populated by ranchers that wishes to perhaps change sovereignty too in order to benefit from AFTOSA protection ranching.
We should be tying to get those areas under our sovereignty by fighting for their self-determination, not forcing those who do not show the wish to do so.
@137
Feb 28th, 2012 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0When Chagosian people is allowed to go back to their home I will drop the claim.And will go promoting other people to do so. Rules are that way. Or we all go for self-determination or we don't care. They can't say “SELF DETERMINATION” and not allow Chagossians back in Diego Garcia. They have as much history as Islanders.
No, Ushuaia is nothing like a city anywhere. I suspect you have never been there whereas I speak from first hand experience.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let see,elaine have this concept.
Let see some other people impressions..
Our trip to Antarctica ended in Ushuaia - and this place was much better than the TV show and the shower gel (although I really still enjoy that!), but being off the ship after so many days aboard is something special.
So I do hope, you will enjoy my little virtual tour through a city at the end of the world!!!!!!!!!
Read more: http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/309de/176aa6/#ixzz1ndp4mABy
lakes,lakes,lakes!
While in Tierra del Fuego, make sure to visit the National Park and some of the beautiful lakes in the surrounding of Ushuaia. Here are two examples of where to go:
To the lake Roca: located to 20 kilometers to the west of Ushuaia by the national route #3 in the National Park Tierra del Fuego. The lake drains through the river Lapataia and both offer very good possibilities for the fishing. If you cross the bridge on the river and you continue the road, you arrive to the lagoon Negra, a mirror of very dark waters on a peat place of mosses.
To the lake Fagnano: toward the northeast by the national route #3. When arriving to the pass Garibaldi, it is obtained one of the best panoramic views on this lake and its neighbor, the lake Escondido, where the petrel inhabits
Read more: http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/309de/176aa6/#ixzz1ndp4mABy
Too bad you do not like anything Argentinian,elaine!
Because I just LOVE IT!!
I don't believe I've ever read that the Chagos people ever claimed self-determination.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0They were never on the C24's list as they were a part of Mauritius in 1946. Mauritius sold the islands to Britain in 1966. Britain paid compensation to the Islanders via Mauritius, but that Government kept it. Something like that.
The Chagos Islanders, all 1,700 of them have so far received extra compensation of 5 million dollars, in cash or land. Some of them want more. Some of them want to right to settle in the UK. Only some of them want to go back to the coconut plantations, where they'd last about a week.
Haven't heard them say anything about self-determination though !
@Juan Satanic
Feb 28th, 2012 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know nothing of the Chagosians. If they were a tribe subjugated to British rule, woop dee doo for the news. The British oprossed many people in history, as did the Spanish, the French, the Dutch, the Germans, the Italians. Europeans for 90% of their history were dictatorial opressors.
That does not me we should be. Look, as much as I dislike saying this, the other side (which to me is not the pro-Falklands side, it's the racist anti-Argentina crowd), has a point. Most people in the Americas arefrom somewhere else. If what counts is who was where first, then we should be leaving Argentina.
It just doesn't work that way, what counts is who is there now... and honestly, who has the bigger guns. If Argentina ultimately wants to take the islands back, it should take a FAR longer strategy: get the economy to grow for 30 years, have a solid currency, drop poverty in half. Then we will have the budget to drive the British away. But then we would be no better than the British or the other Europeans were were 100 years ago.
@140
Feb 28th, 2012 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0For Self-Determination I mean that they were asked in the 70's if they wanted to leave so USA could have a base. By all records it was forced.
Now in the 2000s, the Chagossian went to British High court to get the right of returning to the Islands. They won, but the government appealed. In 2008 the House of Lords voted in favor of the British government, denying them the right of return.
Furthermore, a cable leak claims that the government wanted to create a Maritime reserve to prevent them for ever returning.
And that 5 million were given to Mauritius to resettle them. Most people didn't see more than 3000 pounds per capita. Not much for loosing your home.
@141
The Chagossian are descendants of XVIII century slaves brought by the French to the Islands. They remained there and became the main population. They were deported in the 70s from Diego Garcia so they could have their base.
No it's not. The European people who came to America(XIX Century) were invited by the Mestizos already here. To have heritage from somewhere else why you also have local heritage and be called you are not from here is your roots being denied. Most of Americans have some Native blood.
I'm totally agree with you, except from guns. I believe we will get them in the future. It took more than 2000 years for Europe to be where they are. Given time we will develop. And when UK is weak, and it will because no country is strong forever, then we will peacefully take them back. And that would be it.
A right to return as granted by the High court is not the right to self-determination.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 03000 GBP in Mauritius back then was good money. It was negotiated. They accepted. Only later did they decide it was not enough. Not good at sticking to a deal apparently. Now tell me, the case has been at the Hague for 7 years - how's it going ??
I'll leave the rest of your idiocy to others :-)
@Anti-Fascist
Feb 28th, 2012 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 01- And how did you come to the conclusion that I’m Anglo-Argentinian?
2- Being Anglo-Saxon (as you like to claim) didn’t stop you to fight against Germany in WWII. Did you liar?
3- “It is a shame because the British helped built Argentina, the British helped settle Argentina and the British helped free Argentina”
Ha ha this is good especially in 1806 and 1807 perhaps? Come I’m sure that all here will love to hear yours fantastic tales. But please don’t start with that one about the railways its too shitty.
Sure you have similar stories about how you have helped to build the whole world. Don’t you?
Brazil by stealing their rubber seeds to bring down Brazilian more exported commodity, China and your 2 opium wars, India... The list of your contributions to build nations is very long ha ha.
Well may be Argentinians would love to return you the favour if you give them a good excuse.
And Do you like to hear about how Pakistan has helped to build Britain?
May be them will invade your little island in the north in the near future a replace your kebab shops for choripan and barbecue stuff. Who knows? Spanish is not so bad after you have a sound knowledge of this language.
May be you need to see the film “This Is England” to have a picture of your dysfunctional society and have a clue about how its in the verge of disintegration.
Keep going with your lies they are an inspiration to remember why Britons have never to be trusted.
@Islander1
Money mate, don’t you get it?
The profitable rout of South America will become not economic viable so doesn’t care who owns the lines money talks and will drop the Islands faster than you can think.
Pathetic.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0#144 - You talk of Britain's issue with Pakistanis in their country, but if you're being honest, wouldn't you rather Pakistanis than Nazi war criminals? And I dread to think how horrifying a film entitled “This Is Argentina” would be.
Also, I'd guess it was the Falklands War being referred to in point 3 when it says “freed Argentina”. Remember, if your moron leader hadn't been destroyed by the British, you'd still be licking his boots and sending your children to be disappeared.
Blocking access to a Bermuda ship is desperate(not to mention retarded). Perhaps Argentina would like to ban any ship flying the Hawaii state flag too, since they still have the Union Jack on theirs and that must mean they are evil colonialist pirates!
Pedro! Get those Hawaiians! They're trying to steal our most valuable resource... hot air.
140 Lord Ton
Feb 28th, 2012 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I don't believe I've ever read that the Chagos people ever claimed self-determination”
Lorton Lorton your never stop amazing me, what self determination? that's their homeland! British government's steadfastness is preventing the return of the Chagossians to their islands.
Brits hide behind “the self determination” like little girls behind their mothers skirts.
“Like the Falklanders, the Chagossians were approximately two thousand in number. Unlike the Falklanders, they were dark skinned and not of British ancestry- they were the descendants of the African slaves and Indian workers who had been brought to the islands in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries to labour on the coconut and copra plantations; and unlike the Falklanders, the perceived strategic interest of the British state lay not in keeping them in their homes but in expelling them from their homes. In the early 1970s, having accomplished the programme of cleansing the land from its population, Britain made good on a deal which it had negotiated with the United States of America, and the USA began constructing its naval and air force base on the largest of the Chagos islands, Diegio Garcia; by which the United States has since maintained its strategic command of the Indian Ocean”
Hypocrisy anyone?
Regardless of all the above comments and the rather silly way all of these forums go (most topics end in the same arguement), the turning away of cruise ships is not good practise, full stop. Everyone should see this!
Feb 28th, 2012 - 05:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Plenty of people on those vessels would have no idea of the complexity of the issues between Britain and Argentina, so why should they be implimented in it! No one on those vessels will be blaming britain for being turned away or suddenly supporting the agentinian cause, so i can only assume that the port authorities made a balls-up.
When two countries start to clash swords, it is fairly usual to start flexing muscles through business related channels, however, i really dont think the argeninian gov. is doing themselves any favours by complicating the tourism industry!
147 brit abroad “the turning away of cruise ships is not good practise, full stop. Everyone should see this!”
Feb 28th, 2012 - 05:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0What about Britain sending to South America their most powerful destroyer, the HMS Dauntless, Prince William, second-in-line to the British throne and a nuclear submarine?
Is that a good practise?
@148 YES
Feb 28th, 2012 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0We can do whatever we like in international waters and our own territory.
148 both actually... good practice and good practise
Feb 28th, 2012 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos, have we not gone over this time and time again. You keep whistling the same tune and it is boring!
Feb 28th, 2012 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0yes it is good practise to send a HMS Dauntless in exchange for the other frigate....standard naval procedure! So another FULL STOP!
Are you scared of Prince William (i am not a hard line royalist so i dont give a damn and cant believe anyone else should)? I dont know why all RG's have such an issue with it! it really isnt such a big deal! Come on man (actually are you a man or a kid just about to go to bed and whack one out in your sock?)!!
Submarine?! Cant comment as i dont know where it is and i am guessing you dont either! Thats the point! but yes i would say its good practise to have a sub and have it roaming the waters! Again, it is the point of having one! FULL STOP!
Anyway, can you in a simple paragraph explain what is to be gained by turning away cruise ships? What message does it signal? to whom is it a benefit?
115 - i think you will find that it is more probable that the companies will drop Argentina from their schedules like they did last time. However i predict that we will see another u-turn on your part when reality sets in. After all you lot don't really have the stamina for any type of confrontation.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would like to alter my previous post :
Feb 28th, 2012 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0yes it is good practise to send a HMS Dauntless in exchange for the other frigate....standard naval procedure! So another FULL STOP!
Submarine?! Cant comment as i dont know where it is and i am guessing you dont either! Thats the point! but yes i would say its good practise to have a sub and have it roaming the waters! Again, it is the point of having one! FULL STOP!
Are you scared of Prince William (i am not a hard line royalist so i dont give a damn and cant believe anyone else should)? I dont know why all RG's have such an issue with it! it really isnt such a big deal! Come on man (actually are you a man or a kid just about to go to bed and whack one out in your sock?)!! FULL SOCK!!
Anyway, can you in a simple paragraph explain what is to be gained by turning away cruise ships? What message does it signal? to whom is it a benefit?
MoreCrap - I see you haven't grown any wiser. The exercise of deciding your own future IS the exercise of self-determination.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Chagos Islanders negotiated a deal about their future. That IS self-determination.
Now why don't you try offering the Falkland Islanders something that'll tempt them to join you ? It'll require imagination :-)
Don’t worry “Argentinischen” we have the most deadly silence submarines in the world the 209 and 212 type powered by hydrogen cells. And able to take over any nuclear powered sub.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0With a couple of these you can have the “kebab eater subs” pretty scary to enter in your maritime zone. Just in case they go mad and try something really stupid.
If you don’t want to spend $$$ you can turn your diesel sub into silence subs using hydrogen cells. They will shit they underwear if they cannot detect your subs. That’s it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rTpwPTHenA
About banning cruise vessels to enter Agentinian ports if they visit “kebab islands” it is a wonderful idea as soon companies realized how much $$$ they are going to lose, they immediately will drop “kebab islands”.
Even the British will refuse to go there. Trust me money is a powerful weapon in the right hands.
155 DanyBerger
Feb 28th, 2012 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have read your rubbish regarding armaments before. Where do you dream up this crap?
Your TR1700s are 30 years old! They have STEEL hulls! How can they evade one of our stealth subs - answer - they cannot!
You really need to understand how hydrogen cells work and the dangers of having super high pressure hydrogen on a submarine before you believe this rubbish. Whilst this MIGHT be possible with an advanced country that is used to technical discipline to minimise the latent disasters of hydrogen there is NO WAY Argentina could operate one. You can't even run the trains safely .
The only D/E sub worth having was the German one and that has only 45 days endurance and NO stealth.
Stop playing with yourself and look at the facts in the real world.
What a twat.
Last time I checked the Chagos Folks never owned any private land, the Mauritians sold the land to the UK government and they were all properly rehoused in a separate part of Mauritius and given a sizeable amount of money. It wasn't like rehousing an indigenous population, as they still could perform the same fishing to attain the same livelihood. The issue is between them and the Mauritian government.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Should the Chagos Folk right to abode in the UK? no. Should the Ghurkas? yes.
Money is a powerful weapon?
Feb 28th, 2012 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0DYOR, most of your cruise business stems from the US, or you will find most firms have a US subsidiary. US Anti-Boycott laws make it illegal to comply with a foreign boycott.
All you've done is shoot your own businesses in the foot.
This sounds like how backward middle east countries operate. If that is how Argentina want to portray themselves to the world, then carry on. Haha!
Feb 28th, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like ..come on chaps... do these Argies really take themselves seriously? I cannot see how they can. This kind of faggotry is just hilarious, but how can they take themselves seriously when they're up to this?
Feb 28th, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's just hilariously petty. I find it very very interesting to watch because I never knew that pettiness of this scale was even possible.
Greekyoghurt
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm wondering what nationality you are as your last post makes me realise you aren't actually British.
144 DanyBerger
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0You've obviously never been to Britain.
The British are a global people we can be found all over the world, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, America, South Africa, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Botswana, the Caribbean, Spain, Portugal, Europe.
For a race of people who you claim (after watching the film This is England) to be degenerate and disintegrating we seem to be doing a lot better than most.
As for all the bad things we've done. What about all the good. Again, you can only see the bad, you would probably have a brain hemorrhage if you tried to see anything else.
India wouldn't even exist today had it not been for the British Empire. It was a collection of hundreds of feuding and waring Principalities and fiefdoms, with no common language and no common culture. So the idea that we destroyed India - well it didn't even exist before we built it. Remember Gandhi? Don't believe the propaganda, Gandhi served in the British Army during the Boer War, he was a Sargent Major, he didn't like blacks, he documented his feelings in black and white he called them “subhuman”. Mr Jinnah, the leader of the Muslim League and one of the founding fathers of Pakistan, called Gandhi a “British agent”. Either way Lord Mountbatten was so impressed by Gandhi that he got his friend Richard Attenborough to make a film about him.
Yes, there is “his-story” and there is “history” and one mans “his-story” is never going to be the same as another mans “his-story”.
Back to some of the good Britain done in the world, we built most of Africa, we gave birth to the free world, we gave the world most of the popular sports in play today - Golf, Cricket, Rugby, Soccer, Tennis, Polo, Hockey, etc. We gave birth to the United States, both in government, law and people.
We defeated fascism in WW2. We defended the right of small nations to exist in WW1 - part of British grand strategic strategy, as laid down by the “father of geography” Halford Mackinder.
TBC
If this is how the Government of Argentina treats the economies of cities in Tierra Del Fuego, then it really isnt in the interests of the Falkland Islanders to become part of the region as many Argentines seem to claim.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0And Marcos (8) it isnt the Falklands that needs some help it is Ushuaia that will need all the help it can get now.
During the 50 year long Cold War, Britain was the rock upon which Western Europe stood. Britain and America together helped defeat Communism, without Britain Western Europe would have fell to Soviet domination.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for all the good Britain did for Argentina the list is endless. Settlers, Patagonia, sports, we didn't just build the railways, we helped built your cities, we were Argentina largest trading partner for over 100 years, we help build your ports, airports, we trained your Navy, Anglo-Argentines still make up a significant percentage of senior officers in your military. The list goes on and on.
But I understand Mr Burger, that to the average propagandised Argentina one film stands as a reinforcement to preconceived bigotry based on nationalist feelings towards the “external enemy” as laid down to them by their government!
British films and actors dominate hollywood, there are hundreds to watch. “”This is England” isn't one of them. It political film aimed at anti-Thatcherism. It bears no relation to reality. It exaggerates, the extreme, which may work as a means to get a message across in the same way Argentine propaganda works to proclaim the Falklands Islands to be occupied by pirates, squatting on Argentine land.
@161 Not sure why a post outlining how hilarious I find the Argentinians would make me suddenly not British? You can either take them seriously, which is a stupid idea because that's what they want. Or you can do what I do, which is to laugh at them dismissively, and find the hilariousness of their spinelessness fun, and then pat them on the head and tell them to run along.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Looking down my nose at them would be another option, I guess.
It wasn't your laughing at them - we all do that. I just can't think of any educated Brits that would use the term “faggotry”
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds more like something an antipodean would say.
144 DanyBerger continued -
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good films to watch to understand Argentina are -
La historia oficial [1985]
Iluminados Por El Fuego (2005)
Missing (1982) -
The later film is about Pinochet's Chile but as Argentina was 50 x worse is a good illustration of how a fascist Argentine government served American corporate interests in a CIA opreration to remove the political left.
La historia oficial is another good example of CIA Latin AMerican Operation - Operation Condor - an operation to liquidate (or in the Argentine version torture, rape (including the rape and murder of children and their parents and the adoption of those under two years old by loyal Argentine families).
Bodies dumped into the Atlantic Ocean, families never to know if their son or daughter died or is still alive in some secret camp somewhere.
Evil beyond imagination, orchestrated on the orders of a fascism military junta, trained by former Nazi's and operating on the orders of an Imperialist American Secret Police.
In Argentina they are still murdering people.
As your Mariano Moreno once said “if publishing the truth is forbidden then lies, ignorance and poverty will triumph.”
Such is modern day Argentina. No longer in the hands of a fascist military junta but a neo-fascist (Peronist), Nationalist, Socialist, Corporatist dynastic re-enactment of the Peron government. Where publishing the truth, holding the government to account and exposing the lies are either crimes or regarded as crimes, by the government and their growing band of mesmerised, incited nationalistic population.
That is what I call a dysfunctional and degenerate country - the most extreme kind.
@166 Antipodeans would say Faggotr-y (with a rising inflection in their intonation at the end) and then end the sentence with either the term Cobba or Charlene.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well.. cruises should choose,,, between visit the desolate, invaded Malvinas (with resentful people) or to visit the beauty, prosperous, democratic USHUAIA, Southermost City in the world, Gate to Antarctica, capital of Tierra del Fuego, Antarctica and South Atlantic Islands (included invaded Malvinas).. good decision of our governor of TDF!!!!!!!!!!
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@169 Let's just watch them choose, and follow the data. I'm guessing they all avoid your place because they're mainly english or european tourists, but you're guessing they want to go see some poor argies.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TDF has laid it out, now let's all play it out.
@ Anti-Fascist
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you a medium o or something like that you know if I was or not in GB?
errrm... But you still are failing to explain how your “kebab’s culture” helped to build up Argentina I’m just curious about the stupidity you are going to write mate that’s all.
“India wouldn't even exist today had it not been for the British Empire” ehem...
India existed before you exploited her mate.
Any Indu out there to ratify your grateful owe to Sir kebab Anti-Fascist?
Free world? When you still have a queen as a head of state? Its not that so stupid to claim?
So according with you when the Argentinians Architect built your tallest building in UK they can say that you wouldn’t exist without them? I don’t get your logic.
So when someone build something in Britain is because you are so rich to pay for it and you feel glamorous but when you build something in another place you are building a nation.
Only a stupid can have that way of thinking, especially because in Britain there is nothing built by brits on these days. Even your boats for the army are made in Korea. Well to be honest may be kebabs shops but nothing else.
Come on tell me more because I never laugh so much.
@ ChrisR
Even though they are techniques to reduce magnetism on carbon steel when you get into the limit range to detect the magnetic field you will be a dead duck.
By the way are you safe from laser beam detection? Just wonder mate?
Inox steel or stainless steel helps but will not make you safer. And 45 days its a quite good time to see your ass come back then to go to Rio de Janeiro to drink a beer and going back again to see you ass. No so bad isn’t mate?
@ GreekYoghurt
Don’t you worry none on this forum is educated come on and don’t repress your anger and frustration spit it out. Freedom of speech mate. BTW have you got your ration of kebab today? Ha ha
162 Anti-Fascist
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I supose you would have to add by installments the list of 'good things' Britain has done for the world on this forum. Its interesting how the anti-British here scrabble about trying to discredit Britain by pulling out skeletons from the dusty cuboards of the past.
As an island race we have been subjected to numerous invasions and as such have a very war-like and warrior nature about us. I love the Monty Python sketch 'and what have the Romans ever done for us?', this should be changed with Argies sitting about a BA cafe and saying, 'and what has the British ever done for us?'...comedy could be the way forward the more I think about it as the blogs here get funnier by the hour.
Why oh why do they name a bill after this murderer Rivero? No logic there. But then, this is a country that names their football team after a sunken cruiser, and honour the men that invaded us under a dicatorship. And they place their famous conquistador of the desert on a banknote, celebrating the murdering of tens of thousands of natives. Way to go AR! You're the laughing stock of the free western world.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@155 Danny Berger
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is interesting to hear the opinions of naval strategists as to the relative merits of submarines. I live near the RN bases on the Clyde, in Scotland and have seen the Astute class of submarine and all the Daring class Destroyers on exercise.
The Argentine navy would be better staying in port !
Both vessels are in a different class to anything you could aspire to and their crews are regularly trained up to war time standards. The American author, Tom Clancy researched submarine warfare for his book-“the hunt for Red October”. He asked USN SUBMARINE captains what would they be most frightened of in a war scenario. The reply was ”a Royal Navy hunter/killer submarine! What chance would your lot have ?
However, it will never come to this when everyone comes to their senses
@173 You forgot the Argentine Falklands War heroes who had to be retconned to all have been children with weapons because they were so cr@p. They're were even so heroic as to shoot at British troops after they had surrendered.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm... nice.
@173. Quite so. But, you know, if you spend time with Argentines you do not feel one ounce of bitterness towards the British/English. Quite the reverse. The fanaticism on here does not reflect the general population at all.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@BritishLion
Feb 28th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argies sitting about a BA cafe and saying, 'and what has the British ever done for us?’”
I can tell you what Britons have done for Argentina.
1- Invasion of Buenos Aires (1806) and a humiliating failure for pommies.
2- Invasion of Buenos Aires (1807) and a humiliating failure again.
3- 1833 Malvinas invasion.
4- Not enough for you to learn a blockade of Parana river (1845) was your best choice but this time with the help of french. And another failure.
5- As all above failed you try by economic means and draconian agreements kill arg little industries and to keep money flow to the crown.
6- In 1930 Kebabs Islands block Argentinian exports and as result kebabs got more contracts and privileges like that 80% of arg exports have to be made by Brit business and tax exception to Moham products.
7- 1939 Englanners went belly up (default) and Arg. condoned by preasure 1 billion pound to her majesty
8- As you were unable to pay back the huge debt to Argentina, Peron had take the railways, bombers, arms and I don’t know how many shitty things to get something in return from your debt.
Well the list can be very long of good things you have done for Argentina.
Would you like the list of Germany?
@ Clyde15
Yeah mate this is in fantasyland but realty can be very different.
Royal Navy chiefs left red-faced after brand new £1.2bn nuclear submarine is left high and dry off the coast of Scotland
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1322817/Royal-Navy-shame-nuclear-submarine-HMS-Astute-left-high-dry-Scottish-coast.html
Now imagine how long you sub will survive from and Arg. attack from air.
@ElaineB
You need to get out from Palarmo Hollywood more often mate.
@177 You forgot to mention the Treaty of Friendship in 1850 where you signed that all existing differences including your claims to the Falklands were ended.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0... funny why you'd miss that one.
177 DanyBerger
Feb 28th, 2012 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm glad I mentioned the skeletons in the cuboard, so scary arn't they? Boo!
Wise up old chap, throwing stones in glass houses is a very bad idea, the bloggers here will soon refresh your poor memory. The bad things that your lot have done and are still doing have hardly been a generation in the past...be careful what you wish for mate!
What exactly are you going to attack the sub with?
Feb 28th, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Couldn't manage it in 82 when they were doing picket duty?
@177
Feb 28th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What wonder weapon do you have that can find and sink a nuclear sub. from the air. You could not find HMS Conqueror when she was sitting under the Belgrano!!!!
Also, sinking an atomic powered sub. in your “own”waters could leave a nasty mess of radioactivity blowing in towards the mainland - not a pleasant thought.
This discussion is getting silly. I doubt if anyone in the UK bears any real ill-will against the Argentinian people. Apart from football, the tango, Evita and gauchos, nobody knows or thinks much about your country
@181 agreed. They wouldn't know if a sub had parked up by the beach, everyone got off and had a barbeque with booze and loud music. The only way they can apparently track shipping is through shipfinder.com and through photos in the British press. However, they do know what a cruise liner full of big spending tourists is, and they turn those away.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HHahaHHAhahHAah Argie-fun.
171 DanyBerger
Feb 28th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At the time India came under the British Empire it did not exist as an homogeneous whole, indeed it had never existed as an homogeneous whole or a nation state. There was various forms of an Indian Empire, ruled over with an iron rod by higher castes (the blue eyed, Caucasian Indians who originated in the Caucus). The British unified India, gave India a common language and identity and gave birth to the largest democracy on the planet. Most Indian's today will readily acknowledge what Britain done in creating modern India. India is a member of the British Commonwealth, not because they loath the British but because they respect us.
The British Empire did good and bad. Unless you're capable of looking at history in a detached way, you shouldn't bother looking at history at all. Unfortunately too many people, think they know his-story when all they are doing is reinforcing their own prejudices.
Second point - you say that Britain having a Queen means we're no a democracy. Tell that to the Commonwealth nations who share our Queen. When was the last time the Queen walked into parliament, here or anywhere else and introduced a bill or decreed something? Never! You will find Oliver Cromwell dealt with the power of the monarchy in 1649.
You're just being stupid Danny.
The Parliamentary system in England evolved from the legislature introduced after the Norman Conquest in 1066 (unlike you guys we acknowledge the people who conquered us and thus contributed to modern Britain), as such it is the oldest parliamentary system in the world.
What has Britain done for Argentina? I've answered this question before in depth and it was a waist of time. If you're really interested do your own research, it isn't difficult.
Argentina is as a country is a lot like Britain culturally but is governed more like a Central African Republic, than a G20 nation and the nationalism is something totally alien to British culture.
TBC
To understand modern Argentina you have to understand where Argentina and the Argentines come from.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina was founded by Europeans, settled by Europeans and today is governed by Europeans. The largest sources of Argentine immigrants were Italy, Spain, Germany and the British Isles. Of course there were others like Nester's parents who came from Austria, or Cristina Fernández who parents came from Spain and Germany.
Argentina came out of the Spanish Empire but for almost a century afterwards was dominated in trade and economics by the British Empire, when that changed the American's took over.
Argentina isn't just a product of European immigrants, who murdered more of the Amerindians but they also wiped out all the Negros. And thus unique to the hole of Latin America, Argentina stands as a European enclave on a continent where the Amerindians and those of mixed heritage predominate.
Many Argentines are not just nationalistic but racist. What is my proof for this? Personal experience. You yourself refer to Britain as being over run by Pakistani (actually they make up about 1% of our population) and our Kebab culture (personally I can't stand kebabs, the food that is, not using it as an adjective for people!). I'm constantly reminded of how racist Argentines are on here by their constant reference to race and nationalities and their belief that they are in some way “exceptional” - a common nationalist ideal.
This racism probably comes from Argentine's history of being a refuge for so many people fleeing Europe but longing to keep their heritage. It may also be due to the large number of escaping Nazi and former fascists fleeing all parts of Europe to make a home in Argentina. Also, Argentina hasn't been faced with large numbers of non white immigrants until fairly recently.
In Britain we accept that if it wasn't for the Roman's we would have been running around like savages well into the middle ages. If it hadn't been for the Norman's Britain wouldn
In Britain we accept that if it wasn't for the Roman's we would have been running around like savages well into the middle ages. If it hadn't been for the Norman's Britain wouldn't even exist.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We accept that we're a nation of different cultures and heritage, as well as shared culture and heritage. We don't claim to be “the master race”. We are descended from the Celts, the Angles, the Saxons, the Norse, the Danes, Normans, Jutes, etc. We're been a refuge for Jews, Gypsies, Hugonaughtes, Dutch, French, Germans, Poles, Ukrainians, Czechs, etc. Even our Royal family can trace its heritage to almost every part of the British Isles and most European countries (not just Germany). Princess Dianna, was even descended from Afghan Royalty. We are English, Scots, Irish, Welsh, Cornish, Manx, Channel islanders, etc. It's not unique to Europe or the world but we don't claim to be some homogeneous nationality.
Mass immigration has gone too far in Britain but its even worse in Europe, France now looks more like Algeria than France. Argentina is also suffering from mass immigration. In the not too distant future, the Amerindians will one day become the dominate population of Argentina.
When Britain left the Empire, the Empire came to Britain. Asians forced out of Uganda and Kenya, whites fleeing Rhodesia, blacks fleeing West African genocides. There was no Algerian War, Mozambique, or Angolan War, or Indochina or Vietnam War as we withdrew from Empire just minor conflicts, that pale into insignificance in comparison.
In 50 years, Islam is the official religion in England, so you too will end!
Feb 28th, 2012 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2107507/Primary-school-just-26-700-pupils-speak-English-language.html
186 XAVIERV In 50 years? Not wonder that is so difficult to find a decent fish and chip shop lately.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0186 XAVIERV
Feb 28th, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More racism from the Argies.
Guys you need to grow up.
The Daily Mail specialises in worrying conservatives. While the Guardian specialises in attacking everything that isn't Marxist. While the Sun, the Mirror and the Daily Star specialises in salacious scandal, gossip. All press - everywhere - lie and exaggerate.
Muslims make up about 2.5% of the British population! They have become 2.5% thanks to the open door immigration policies of the last two decades, thus fairly recently.
That's a quick rise in the Islamic population but I can assure you 2.5% of the population are not going to take over the country any time soon no matter what - yawn - the Daily Mail (of all papers) claim.
But it does make me laugh to see the two most popular papers with Argentines are the Maxist anti British Guardian and the once pro Hitler Daily Mail :)
Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham becoming 'no-go areas' because of drugs gangs... just like Mexico and Brazil says the UNITED NATIONS
Feb 28th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2107552/Manchester-Liverpool-Birmingham-areas-drugs-gangs--just-like-Mexico-Brazil.html
Spectacular new discovery proves that America was discovered by Europeans NOT Indians !
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2107552/Manchester-Liverpool-Birmingham-areas-drugs-gangs--just-like-Mexico-Brazil.html
I love the Daily Mail. It's the most addictive newspaper in the world.
@189 I prefer mail online. I can just sit staring at it for hours wondering who reads that sh!t....Apparently it's you.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is Argentina lacking intelligence or good judgment? Blocking a tour ship from port. If I was't so stunned by Argentina's apparent stupidity, I would feel sorry for how low the country has become. People of Argentina wake up. Your “president” has to be the dumbest leader on the continent. It is unbelievable. Don't even bother to answer my post, if this is the type of decisions the people of Argentina have fallen to...dumb, dumb, dumb.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0189 dreyfoss Just in case they don't like the Daily Mail...
Feb 28th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“UN: drug gangs controlling parts of British cities
Parts of British cities are becoming no-go areas where drugs gangs are effectively in control, a United Nations drugs chief said today”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9110374/UN-drug-gangs-controlling-parts-of-British-cities.html
The Gaucho Rivero Hill, ¿no debería decir Gil? hahaha, son tan pedorros ustedes malvinistas, es de no creer como les gusta autoboicotearse.The funniest story ever told. I thought my grandfather was funny but this is just great ;)
Feb 28th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 192 If you lived in Argentina, you would know that there are thousands of no-go areas in Argentina. You're brilliant, eh
@192 ...and what pray tell does that have to do with Cruises Liners? Some kind of amateurish redirection?
Feb 28th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People on cruises enjoy going to shore, looking around and spending money, sometimes on local food/drink and sometimes on souvenirs. No wonder Argentina's economy is buggered. Ha. If they can't support even the most basic forms of tourism then it's silly.
Feb 28th, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The sign banning 'English pirate ships' from the port of Ushuaia” >> Can they be a little bit more detailed in their legislation? Does the ship have to actively be engaged in piracy? How do they prove this? Does it have to be openly displaying the Jolly Roger? Does the captain have to have a parrot? What about Somali Pirates, are they allowed?
Feb 28th, 2012 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What sort of Pirate's Cove is this if until recently they allowed Pirates of various types to birth there? Gosh.
192 Marcos Alejandro
Feb 29th, 2012 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is where I live... this is England...
http://tiny.cc/sqnln
When these “drug gangs” turn up I'll let you all know. If they hit my patch, the locals will be shipping them out in coffins.
Of course, the major cities in the UK - all ten of them, have some crime problems, mostly under 18 feral rug rats, but its nothing the Police can't handle. Inner City Birmingham is a bit of dive, recently it's looking more and more like parts of inner city Paris.
The Daily Mail love's to give Britain's OAP's strokes and heart problems.
'It is crucial that the needs of communities experiencing social disintegration are urgently tackled before the tipping point is reached, beyond which effective action becomes impossible.
Feb 29th, 2012 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0''The consequences of failure are too high for society and should be avoided at all cost.''
May be they have seen “This is England” movie?
“The majority of our children start school with levels of English language development that are below national averages.”
Dear Richard O'Sullivan with all due respect do you think that someone of them are posting on Mercopress?
@Anti-Fascist
“I can assure you 2.5% of the population are not going to take over the country any time soon no matter what - yawn - the Daily Mail (of all papers) claim”
So mate are you sure that Moreno from INDEC (ARG statistics institute) is not making your stats?
Because seems that the rest (97.75%) have moved abroad.
I am very proud with the TIerra del Fuego gov. decision, brit haven´t got shame , they are talking about liberty when they dont return back our invaded land... Ushuaia is the capital of TDF & South Atlantic Islands, Gate of Antarctica, a paradise in this world, the southermost city in world, you can find a prosperous, democratic, developed city there(universities, industries, big hotels) ,,,, In the invaded Malvinas you can find only soldiers playing at colonialism with 3000 resentful people (that are used by UK to demostrate their power in the South Atlantic & Antarctica), around rocks, desert & air of colonialism.
Feb 29th, 2012 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0TdF, should that not be handed back to Chile? It was taken by force by Argentina and because they are such a fun loving, Peace hunting, border changing nation then it should just be given back to the rightful owners. Oh thats right Argentina do not play by rules they make them up as they go along! No doubt some 3rd generation Argentine whose family moved from Italy or Spain will try and solve all our problems .....
Feb 29th, 2012 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't insult Rivero, JoJo (moderator of this propaganda site). You must be frustrated with all this.
Feb 29th, 2012 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good job TDF government!
........and then you read the article that followed this and you realise they made a balls up....hehehe
Feb 29th, 2012 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@202 those TDF folks are hilarious. They haven't got a clue what they're doing.
Feb 29th, 2012 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0So lost jobs and lost income! And this is only the stuff that gets into the news :-)
Feb 29th, 2012 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0All in a days work for Frau kristina and her reich
We need to update of figures on the number of muslims in Britain.
Feb 29th, 2012 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0As of 2010 (published in 2011) there are 2,869,000 of them which is 4.6% of the population. How many have arrived / been born since?
The biggest problem was of course Blair's idiotic 'multi-culturism'. How anyone in their right mind would ever think this would have worked is beyond belief.
We now have 5% of the population dictating that we cannot have 'Christmas' we now have 'winter holidays': and yes, I am still an atheist, but there are a hell of a lot more christians than rag-heads in the UK.
The schools are being forced to allow muslims to take over the direction of 'religious studies' and before long the number of mosques in some areas like Bradford will out number churches.
In itself this does not mater. What really matters is how these immigrants and their offspring are taking ove the local services and a significant number in enclaves like Stoke-on-Trent taking fraudulent advantage of the benefit services by running their own businesses and claiming unemployment benefit.
Then we come to the few? whose young men go 'home' meaning Pakistan, to learn how to kill and main white people (the infidel) using bombs.
What to do? I know what I would do, but the government would never get close to what really needs to be done to stop the problem, once and for all.
Little by little, steadily but surely, fascist Argentina, thanks to the foolishness, ignorance, and stupidity of its “leaders,” it is becoming a real threat to the peace and security of all of the South Atlantic area.
Feb 29th, 2012 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Civilised countries (especially airlines and ship lines) beware of fascist Argentina!
Philippe
@ChrisR
Feb 29th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah definitely your statistics are wrong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR3FwTtBVjk
You have a serious problem there mate. Argentina pyjamas free it’s no fantastic?
198 DanyBerger
Feb 29th, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The stats are not a secret, you can google them!
If you'd ever been to the UK you would know. Most inward migration to the UK is from Europe.
Travel to France, Germany, Holland, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Malta, even Sweden on the other hand and the experience is very different.
You think immigration is bad here? Visit Europe.
Clearly Argentine Peronism - nationalism, socialism, corporatism includes a strong racist agenda. I hope the rest of Latin America are taking note, especially the Amerindians.
I think this reflects the mood at the islands in this moment
Feb 29th, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2012/02/28/argentina-blockades-tanker-ship-full-of-branston-pickle/
In Punta Arenas we´ll be very happy to receive any banned cruiser.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0@danny berger
Mar 01st, 2012 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0HMS Astute:
YYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN..................
old old old news, try keeping up to date, your about 18 months behind the times.
Last time she is in the news she was practising launching tomahawk missiles, the sort we could post into your air bases and power stations.
Your diesel electric subs do pose a threat, but we have plenty of asw assets.
I suggest you look again at the sensor suites on the opposing vessels. Yours are outranged by ours. If we got serious and deployed a wolf pack of 3-4 nuclear subs there would be nothing you could do about it.
@shb
Mar 01st, 2012 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0And what are you waiting for?
The thing is that you don’t know the most secrete Argentinian Nuclear Brit sub detector called MKENSD an acronyms form “Mohammed Kebabs Eaters Nuclear Submarine Detector”.
The sophisticate device based on cutting edge smelling technology has a big nose able to detect Kebabs from Leicester Square. An advanced computer made of 25 multiplexed CPUs in parallel with a multi-touch screen based on blob technology running a 124 Bit OS and a sophisticate software is capable of classify what sauce and type of kebab is being eating in milliseconds.
After detection an electronic arm points to given co-ordinates where the Kebab Eater’s Nuclear Submarine is and a voice alarm tells the Missile launcher operator “Mohamed down There please shoot” the launch have to be made manually to avoid error as naturally the arm tents to point to London.
The cruiser missile with a warhead with 1t of wine, curry, vinegar, pieces of caw meat and soap is launched and Mohammeds die in a fraction of second.
Then I will tell you about the High Tech Argie “BSAD” or British Smelly Armpits Detector” what is driving crazy Your MoD because will imply to order your soldiers to take a shower every day. If the want to die of course.
Now can you tell me when are you going to launch your MT because I’m planning to make a big barbecue.
212.....Quite clearly comedy is not your fortei, have you tried suicide instead?
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0213 Rhaurie-Craughwell
Mar 01st, 2012 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, he is already a dead-head. :o)
@danny-berger.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Riiiiiiiggggghhhtttt..........
@ 212 :-))))))
Mar 01st, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0216....More crap likes his own comments and alter egos.....Guess he makes up internet friends to compensate for the lack of real ones :-))))))))
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0212 DanyBerger
Mar 01st, 2012 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Back on about the “Kebab Eaters” yet again!
You might want to get some help about this.
After seeing this. If I was planning on going on a cruise, I would write to the cruise lines asking them NOT to stop anywhere in Argentina because they obviously do not want the revenue from tourism! There are plenty of other countries in the world that welcome tourists and their money.
Mar 01st, 2012 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Pugol-H
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You might want to get some help about this.”
Why should I if the people who eat kebabs are you?
Now would you like to talk about British Shaira law or is a sensitive topic for you?
We are going to court over this.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe Britain shouldrefuse entry for thenext aerolina argentinas flight due in at heathrow
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0221 JuanStanic
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know when the judgement is expected?
Queen Botox' move now is trying to convince the British into allowing Aerolineas Argentinas a route to Falkland/Malvinas direct from Rio Gallegos or even Buenos Ayres. This was tried before and the islanders said 'no, thanks'. What do you think would their reaction be today? This makes me think that other power is holding rights which Argentina believes her own.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think if I lived there, worked in the tourist or other industries and had a family to support, I'd be pretty pissed off with my gorvernment turning away 100's of people wishing to spend money in my town.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@223
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are expecting polls results first.
Anyway, we might not go at all as CFK seems to want another approach(which Fabiana will follow) and also, Chubut interprets the law in the opposite way, so she might withdraw from her stance as she lacks support outside the province.
@225
Really pissed off are most. Luckily about 33% to 40% of tourism sector works with cruises, so it wasn't so hard economically. But still, touristic sector is really mad at the government.
Nice to know that one country at least is not suffering from the current world recessio. Fancy having enough many to allowyou to to turn it away, must be nice for them.
Mar 02nd, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@220 DanyBerger
Mar 03rd, 2012 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Why should I if the people who eat kebabs are you”
-So who am I then!
“Now would you like to talk about British Shaira law or is a sensitive topic for you?”
-It’s not a sensitive subject for me!
Not sure what you mean by “British Sharia law”, under English law you can practice what ever religious code you wish, Islamic, Jewish, Hindu, Catholic, or what ever takes your fancy, in so far as it does not conflict with English law.
Moderate Islam teaches that Muslims living in non Muslims countries, should abide by the laws of that country, so long as does not prevent them following their faith.
Most Muslims living in the UK seem to be OK with this, and are amongst the most law abiding citizens in the UK (Come out on the Piss with me and some of the Gringo boys down Camden Town, or similar, and you will see what I mean)
Of course there are different interpretations of these things, but this is how it has worked up to date, I do not see this changing.
BTW, does MKENSD work on both Halal and non Halal meat?
@Pugol-H
Mar 03rd, 2012 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0What about this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7232661.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7232661.stm
@DanyBerger
Mar 03rd, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not say things are perfect here, there are extremists and tensions within communities as well as between communities, in some respects we are seeing a struggle for the soul of the Muslim community.
As I said “in so far as it does not conflict with English law”, where it does it will be dealt with.
It is one thing to say something, it is quite another to make it happen. What Choudary is proposing will not even have much support amongst his own community.
Support ort not kelpers will paid the price to lose tourist, I don t think cruises companies are going to visit Malvinas, it is more atractive to visit Bs As and the Perito Moreno Glaciar than the Malvinas
Mar 04th, 2012 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Soon the Islanders will be making far more money from oil & gas, than Argentina does from cruise ships! They will easily be able to buy there own cruise company if they want.
Mar 04th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the up side, Argentina will be able to buy its oil & gas imports from the Falklands, and save on the cost of transporting it long distances, such as from the Gulf, or Russia.
Do to others as you will like them do on to you, the british illegal aliens in Islas Malvinas Argentina don't want Argentine ships, or well I guess it will be OK to act like the white man and refuse their ship sanctuary or help. Now the brits should not cry for Argentina.
Mar 04th, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't.
Mar 04th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@229. The article isn't about Sharia Law. What are you talking about? You have nothing to contribute to this article so you change the subject. Typical!
Mar 04th, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@231. I personally would rather prefer the chance of seeing a penguin in the Falklands than a plastic face in BA.
@233. You seriously have got a clue about the real world. The only thing you understand is the lies and bullshit you get fed by your backwards government.
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