Argentina blasts PM Cameron ‘profound error’ of glorifying colonialism
The Argentine Foreign Ministry strongly rebuked comments made by UK Prime Minister David Cameron on Monday, the thirtieth anniversary of the start of the Malvinas War and blasted the UK’s “persistent glorification of colonialism”.
PM Cameron yesterday labelled Argentina’s invasion of the Falkland Islands, “a profound wrong.”
A Tuesday communiqué from the Argentine Foreign Ministry used those very words to affirm that “the profound error” was precisely “persisting with colonialism” which “constructs the wellbeing of its people on foundations of military and cultural subjugation, and the plundering of the natural resources belonging to other peoples.”
“That is the story of the United Kingdom, and millions of human beings can give testimony to the fact, still today,” went on the Foreign Ministry’s statement.
On Monday during the South Atlantic conflict commemorations in the UK, Cameron stated that Britons were “rightly proud of the role Britain played in righting a profound wrong,” referring to the Argentine invasion of the Islands.
In the same statements, the UK PM further stated that, “thirty years ago today the people of the Falkland Islands suffered an act of aggression that sought to rob them of their freedom and their way of life.”
The Argentine Foreign Ministry’s communiqué continued to turn Cameron’s words against him, and stated that, “A profound error was expelling the Argentine population from the Malvinas Islands in 1833, violating rights that the Prime Minister says he defends, and implanting, under a forced colonialist plan a British population”.
Another “profound error” is to continue ignoring the territorial integrity of a sovereign country.
What must be done is to correct that “profound error” and put an end to colonial enclaves. The peoples of the world clamour to leave behind the curse of colonialism is countered by military force and the display of nuclear arms from the UK, continues the aggressive communiqué.
It is a “profound error” the persistent conduct of the UK to ignore the multiple UN resolutions and at the same time dangerously debilitating that organization and its mandates to resolve peacefully the conflicts among nations.
“It is also surprising the praise that David Cameron makes of a war adventure that started in 1833 with the invasion of a part of Argentina”. The release adds that “this can only be expected from dictatorships and empires. Democracies such as Argentina’s enshrine peace, negotiations, International law and diplomacy”.
Last but not least “we invite the Primer Minister to reflect on these principles and to abandon any temptation to use this just Argentine cause for an ephemeral political benefit”.
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I think we all know that it's Argentina who ignored UNSCR 502 & 505 and Nestor Kirchener who unilaterally walked out of the negotiations that their claimed GA resolutions refer to. The UK is looking rosy when it comes to the UN, whereas Argentina is a delinquent.
”The release adds that “this can only be expected from dictatorships and empires. Democracies such as Argentina’s enshrine peace, negotiations, International law and diplomacy”
It's not a democracy if you rule by decree and you get your son's hitler youth to pay people out of the country's exchequer to vote for your mum.
a) enshrine peace - invades the falklands in 1982, celebrates the war every year.
b) negotiations - Nestor Kirchener walked out of negotiations.
c) International law and diplomacy - Argentina claims UN ICJ and ICA have no jurisdiction over them, international law includes uti posseditis.
Anyway, this UK clown is trying to divert attention from domestic problemas in UK that are too much worse than those in Argentina.
JORGE1833 or
JORGE14thJune1982
:-)
“In his opening address to the Argentine seminar at the London School of Economics on 3 December 2007, Ambassador Mirré repeated what is probably the most serious distortion in Argentine accounts – the idea that Britain expelled an Argentine population from the Falklands in 1833. Argentina has claimed this repeatedly at the United Nations. 5 But it is not true.”
- www.falklandshistory.org/?q=node/1
hell broke loose when warmonger thatcher dispatched the navy and assassinated 300 souls (half of argentinas total casualties) in one go outside the exclusion zone.
had it not been for those actions, the islanders lives would have gone back to normal within days and today they wouldn't be complaining about it.
blog.levante-emv.com/grandtour/files/2007/02/mussolin.jpg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xqwNsmzCbM&feature=player_embedded
If they are so upset about it, why aren't the 'Argentine population expelled from the Malvinas Islands in 1833 complaining here?
Hopefully the KFC era is nearly coming to an end and the peronist nightmare monster can be finally killed off. Interesting editorials in El Pais (Spain) and the Telegraph which imply that.
Why is Argentina the only macho crybaby society on the planet?
All the other bad guys ( Iran, Venezuela,North Korea) at least have the decency not to go blubbing to anybody stupid enough to listen or too polite to say FO.
After Argentina's independence from Spain, the Argentine government had signed several peace agreements and engaged in military campaigns with the natives to contain their aggression of Buenos Aires.
The natives took advantage of Argentinas internal war first (between the Argentine Confederacy and Buenos Aires) later against Paraguay to launch vicious attacks towards Buenos Aires, terrorizing farmers and blackmailing them for cattle, horses and food. The Argentine government plan (under Avellaneda) was to settle the desert and not to exterminate the indians.
Yet the continuous attacks prompted by the natives to farms and towns prompted the Conquest of the Desert campaign when Julio A Roca substituted Alsina as war minister.
By that time, Argentina considered the indians as a threat, not as expendable beings that were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
It was a bloody war, not some butchery and its quite naive of you to compare this to “concentration camps”.
It is not a matter of ideas already, it is a matter of moral. He even lies to its own citizens about threatens that the UK is supposed to fight against... More money spent on weapons of war in stead of investing in the public british education or health care systems... what a pity.
But portraying all the natives as peaceful loving and ultimately victims of the Argentine army is just naive and stupid.
The Desert campaign had more to do with stopping the constant attacks than to expand the boarders - which initially they were intended to be expanded by settling population further away from Buenos Aires and cooperating with the natives.
The mentality of the Argentineans then - likewise most of the american nations - was very different from the Spanish mentality. They had escaped despotism and came with the ideas of liberty, democracy, many of them were masons (particularly early argentine politicians and military commanders).
Trying to compare what the Spanish army did to what was done in the aftermath by the independent nations is pure ignorance.
All hell broke lose in the early hours of 2nd April 1982 when Argentine Marines opened fire on Moody Brooke Barracks. Face the truth for god sake. You invaded with force of arms, you chose to to use force. You fired the first shot and the British simply fired the last. You no doubt will twist the facts, a particular Argentinian trait, along with distorting the truth and creating alternate versions of history.
I'd say the profound error is in perpetuating the fantasy that (a) there was a country called Argentina in 1833 and (b) there was a civilian population present on the islands.
'the argentine never wanted a war. not even in 1982. the islands were recovered because the UK had refused to negotiate.
hell broke loose when warmonger thatcher dispatched the navy and assassinated 300 souls (half of argentinas total casualties) in one go outside the exclusion zone. '
So Argentina never wanted a war when it invaded a foreign island and engaged its defense force with every weapon at its disposal?
You tried to take a island by force on the hope there would be no retaliation and when the UK dispatched a task force which it was morally obligated to do to protect its citizens you cowards faces a real fight and surrendered.
You are completely ridiculous.
The prison population was removed, and the military garrison forced to leave, however the normal civilians were allowed to stay, some left, some stayed, names are recorded and it's well documented. If you have first-hand evidence of ALL settlers being removed then please provide it, otherwise just shut the heck up.
The islanders would not have been complaining by now because according to Admiral Anayas plan they would have been 'ethnically cleansed' to Montivideo or according to Major Patricio Dowling's plan they would have been 'exterminated like the dissidents'.A good job some of the islanders could speak and understand Spanish.
You Argies need to get a sorted out.
Argentina - Defaulting IMF loans - IMF office has been closed in BA
RG's defaulted on US loan, Rampant inflation in RG land , plus Kircher youth buying votes (see the vids posted on this forum)vs AAA Credit rating a GDP that you could only dream of and guess what I think recent news seems to state that things are looking up for our stable economy. Should be more cash around to finish our two new strike carriers. PS a freind is coming to see you , leaving today from Portsmouth :)
oh dear, oh dear....... more “Projection” I see. We are just marking the ending of a war. A time in the past when we saved a population from the grip of a manic dictator ( again!! ).
I could understand why you say the things you do, having the whole Country Militarily and diplomatically humiliated on the world stage must have been very, very embarassing........
2) You illegally invaded and seized the islands by force of arms - i.e. WAR
Thatcher dispatched the navy because British territory had been illegally invaded by an aggressive foreign power with an over-inflated view of its importance and power on the world stage. The islands had to be recovered and Argentina had to be made to back down. The ARA Belgrano was sailing towards the Royal Navy. It was well armed and a threat to our task force. The ship sailed into the total exclusion zone, a region which they had been warned that they could not go into and that they would be sunk if they did. They were aware of the risk but they did it anyway and paid the price. IT WAS WAR. In war people die. If you didn't want to lose any troops then you shouldn't have started a war. You really are deluded. The people's lives would not have gone back to normal - they hate the Argentines, and everything about their colonialist attempts to annex what doesn't belong to them. When British troops marched into Stanley, the people cheered because their freedom had returned and the fascist occupation was over. Today, the islanders want nothing to do with you Argentines. The rest of South America sure, but not you - they distrust you with very good reason. When British aircraft, which are stationed on the islands to protect them from Argentine aggression perform exercises, the people on the islands often complain that they don't fly low enough. They want them to fly lower so they can hear the sound of their jet engines - they call it the sound of freedom.
You forgot to mention that other fine representative of the Argentine Astiz.
Why are they celebrating the start of the war then, if it was so distant from the people of argentina's wishes?
The facts are that the British had twice provided formal diplomatic protest against the Province of Buenos Aires Revolutionary Authorities plan to install a Military & Civil command on the Falkland Islands
The facts are that the prior commercial settlements by Vernet were permitted under British consent, which Vernet explicitly sought & obtained
The facts are that within two months of their arrival the Argentine garrison had rebelled against their commander, murdered him & abandoned their posts. The deserters were captured by the British a& subsequently executed by the Buenos Aires authorities for their crimes.
The facts are that British and American sealers & whalers had continuously used the Falkland Islands since the first British settlement
The facts are the British asked all civilians to stay not go.The civilian population in 1833 was a mixture of nationalities, it was not expelled & it remained except for four civilians who chose to return to Buenos Aires.
The facts are that Spain accepted the British colony in the Falkland Islands in 1771.
The facts are that Spain retained its claim of the Falkland Islands after its evacuation of Buenos Aires
The facts are that Britain had bilaterally agreed with Spain that if any third party took Spanish territory in South America, then British could resume their prior outposts in South America
The facts are that in 1833 the Argentine frontier was more than 1500km distance from the Falkland Islands
The facts are that Argentina expanded its territory by force after 1833 to its current borders
The fact is that in 1850 all existing differences between Argentina and Great Britain were settled by treaty, ratified by the Argentine Congress and the British Parliament
Indeed. Some of the current islanders who want to remain British are actually direct descendants of those settlers who chose to stay after the UK reasserted its sovereignty.
Most of the settlers that Argentina claims as their own in fact came directly from Europe, rather than via South America.
Vernet himself was a German and his second in command was a British officer.
Argentine revisionism never stands up to scrutiny .. nor is it ever likely to as long as the batty fascist hag is in charge and stuffing her Swiss bank accounts whilst her people starve.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malón
And as i said, Buenos Aires had bigger problems to deal with than to “kill off indians”. After its independence in 1816 Argentina was very much divided between the Confederacy and Buenos Aires - the Unionists and the Federalists. Endless battles took place between both sides during the 19th century. Add to that the war with Paraguay.
Come back when you've read some Argentinean history instead of boring everyone here to death with your suppositions.
Maybe Argentinian media is different, but here in the UK, newspapers and the like are always dying to tell us how messed up the country is.
A bit like the Falkland Islanders then. Unfortunately for you colonialist murdering bastards, unlike the defenceless indigenous peoples, the Falkland Islanders had back up :)
It is also a fact that the vast majority of what is now Argentina was subjugated and stolen in the late 1870s and 1880s, which is more than 60 years AFTER independence from Spain. You were still killing inconvenient natives in the 1920s (Napalpi), so really your history is no better than that of the British.
It looks like you are the one who needs to bone up a bit on Argentine history.
What you have just said about the civil wars between the unitarios and the federales just proves that there was no such thing as “Argentina” in 1833. Just a bunch of fighting provinces and caudillos. Buenos Aires was not even part of the UP at that point. So how Argentina can claim the Falklands because Buenos Aires sent a garrison there in late 1832 is, frankly, a mystery.
And the joke is, shes pulling the same 'its all a political distraction', as one of her predecessors used, and she is using now. A small percentage in the UK even realises that there is an issue in the Falklands. I think it was a profound wrong for Argentina to settle on an island that wasnt heirs in the first place, and MURDER the British Flag bearer there......And then send their own countrymen to death in a useless war. ARGENTINA MURDERED THOSE CONSCRIPTS NOT THE BRITISH.......
WTF are you on about old fart??? I haven't even posted in this thread until now and you refer to me in your comment no. 35!!!!
Mate, seriously, head off to the GP and get them meds straight.
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I have it on high authority that various latin American countries are starting to tire of Argentinas mindless ramblings at the UK and the Falklands and brown nosing simpering everytime they say or do something vaguely anglophobic.
On top of that Argentina's economic situation is a cause of concern for all her neighbors, having seen the way a relatively minor economy like Greece nearly took down Europe, they are caking themselves at the prospect of Argentina doing the same, but on a far larger scale.......oh the Joy!
I am a Falkland Islander, not an 'artificial implant', Not a squid millionaire, live in the Islands full time and no second home overseas.
The Argentine fake 1833 is doing you no favours. Research the documented history then start living in the present not the past.
Argentina systematically slaughtered the native population well into the 1920s. The going rate was $1 per head. Am surprised it never occurred to you that they were hostile because they didn't want to be subjugated by a colonialist oppressor.
Don't kid yourselfthat the Argentine people didn't want war in 1982. We've all seen the tv footage in the Plaza de Mayor. Speaking to two Argentine tourists a few days ago, they told me that in B.A. in early March 82 they were issued with air raid instructions because it was anticipated that UK would attack mainland Argentina after the invasion of the Falklands.
You fool yourself if you believe Falkland Islanders lives would have gone back to normal within a few days. Argentina wanted war and Argentine forces treated the Islanders despicably eg serious human rights violations, mock firing squads, looting, I could write avery long list for you.
The Falklands and UK economy are just fine thank you. The British press carries very little coverage of Argentina's frenzied outpouring because its not very interesting to them or the rest of the world. Argentina is just painting a picture of itself as a crazed third world dictatorship. Burni g flags and effigies puts you right up there with the worst of them. Have some dignity, we are embarrassed to have you as a neighbour.
Well said. The islands are the Falklands. The destiny of the Falkalnds is up to the Falkland Islanders themselfs and only them. Any British politician who forgets that, better start looking for another career.
Thank you.
And thank you also to BritishguyfromLondon and Domingo for your excellent posts.
The specificity of the Malvinas question is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. Therefore, the possibility is to apply the principle of self-determination, as its exercise by the inhabitants of the islands would cause the “disruption of national unity and territorial integrity” of Argentina. In this regard it should be noted that resolution 1514 (XV) “Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” in the sixth paragraph states that “Any attempt aimed at partial or total disruption of national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter. ”In the Malvinas Question General Assembly of the United Nations included this doctrine - the principle of territorial integrity taking into account the interests and NOT the wishes of the people of the islands - in its resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12) , 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute and reaffirm the invitation made in resolution 2065 (XX) Parties (Argentina and the United Kingdom).
Your welcome. I would also like to say that you Falklanders should be very proud of what you have achieved since liberation. If you wanted a fitting memorial to those who gave everything for it, look no further, you and your people are a living, breathing memorial. Wish you similiar good fortune for future. Try not to worry about them, we were with you then and we are with you know.
Your country has fed you lies and you search desperately for some rightfulness in your countries actions over its short history. It is a sad fact that there are none that match the UKs, Christ we even averted a war between Argentina and Chile over the Beagle Channel Islands and our success in 1982 rid you of a wretched Junta. Your history is lies (some maybe unintentional) and your misplaced passion for the Falklands. So now you two juveniles, when you've grown up, perhaps you might study the mindset of a Briton, we do the right thing, help where we can, win (with our allies) the odd world war. Whereas Argentina builds homes for holidaying Nazi war criminals, breaks conventions, embargoes tiny islands, breaks trade treaties, bans books.. oh and cheats at football.
I do not forget. Petenecen Islands to Argentina.
Unfortunately, their arguments are false, as the committee of the UN decolonization ruling in favor of Argentina and against England.
The Committee on Decolonization United Nations, which is the most appropriate body for interpreting and understanding the concepts of colonialism and imperialism, such as Gibraltar, Falklands, Belize and other similar cases, their historical contexts and social processes, and already has extensively studied and reviewed and compared the arguments of both Argentine and the United Kingdom and finally failed for Argentina because his arguments are true because it is a sovereignty dispute. NO self-determination. Just note that in the Malvinas Question General Assembly of the United Nations included this doctrine - the principle of territorial integrity taking into account the interests and NOT the wishes of the population of the islands - in its resolution 2065 (XX ) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21) , 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute as resolution 2065 (XX) Parties (Argentina and the United Kingdom).
In addition, every year, the Committee finds UN decolonization resolution using the criteria of Resolution 2065 of 1965, clearly states that the sovereignty dispute. NO self-determination
The International Court of Justice is based on their judgments of the committee of the UN decolonization. Remember that the international court of justice and decolonization committee of United Nations is supranational. Both have a lot of international prestige and complement each other.
“This can only be expected from dictatorships and empires. Democracies such as Argentina’s enshrine peace, negotiations, International law and diplomacy”.
This is beyond lunacy. If ever you needed proof that the Argentine government is out of touch with the reality of events......... here you are!
How can anyone negotiate with an admistration that thinks like this?
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad......
“Charles Darwin's Diary, 1st March, 1833: The present inhabitants consist of one Englishman, who has resided here for some years, & has now the charge of the British flag, 20 Spaniards & three women, two of whom are negresses. ”
20 Spaniards, Raul, 20! Do you understand now, TIMMERMAN IS LYING!!
It is indeed sad. We have the worlds longest running democracy and we abide by International Law and diplomacy. I think the translator must have been drunk.
@7 Poor thing. The year your cuntry got taught a lesson. Brainwashed ever since. Or lobotomised!
@9 You might find that YOU despatched YOUR navy and 66,000 troops FIRST. Not possible to “assassinate” war criminals. Pity we didn't get them all!
@15 As you've been told many times, YOU can REcover something you've never owned. Anyway, YOU didn't, did YOU?
@17 “Our self-respect as a virile people obliges us to put down as soon as possible, by reason or by force, this handful of savages who destroy our wealth and prevent us from definitely occupying, in the name of law, progress and our own security, the richest and most fertile lands of the Republic.
—Julio Argentino Roca”
@18 Sorry, your piddling comment won't get us to divert funds. We are still ready to destroy you.
@20 Are you saying that Julio Argentino Roca wasn't an argie?
@36 Just like killing people then? Spanish, other colonists, other argies, native Americans. Haven't changed much, have you?
@49 Hello dingbat. Could you explain some points? If the UK occupied the Islands by force in 1833, could you explain the British arrival on the Islands in 1690? How about the British assertion of sovereignty in 1765? Could you explain how the British occupied by force when not a single shot was fired and only the United Provinces garrison was required to leave? As for all your references to UN GA resolutions, you can shove them up your arse. Hopefully, with paper cuts. GA resolutions are NON-BINDING. Here's a mnemonic for the future, for you and all other argie tossers. SUNGARUY. It stands for “Stuff UN GA Resolutions Up Yours”. There's also FSA. That stands for “F--K South America”. Getting the picture? Nothing you can say, nothing you can do. For the time being, the Falkland Islands belong to Britain. In time, when the Islanders wish it, they will belong to the Falkland Islanders. No-one else is going to get a say!
During the month we remained in Berkeley Sound, I had much trouble with the crews of whaling or small sealing vessels, as well as with the settlers, who all seemed to fancy that because the British flag was re-hoisted on the Falklands, they were at liberty to do what they pleased with Mr. Vernet's private property, as well as with the wild cattle and horses. The gauchos wished to leave the place, and return to the Plata, but as they were the only useful labourers on the islands, in fact, the only people on whom any dependence could be placed for a regular supply of fresh beef, I interested myself as much as possible to induce them to remain, and with partial success, for seven stayed out of twelve.”
You write an excellent summary and your English is very good but unfortunately the content is all cr*p because you persist with the fake 1833. This undermines your whole argument. Read the documented facts then try living in the real world. You don't have a case that stands up in law. Put your efforts into showing that we can trust Argentina and respect you as a neighbour.
Timmerman is not, he does a great job which is to defend the views of Argentina.
The committee of the UN decolonization does not lie.
I reiterate this concept. The Committee on Decolonization United Nations, which is the most appropriate body for interpreting and understanding the concepts of colonialism and imperialism, such as Gibraltar, Falklands, Belize and other similar cases, their historical contexts and social processes, and already has extensively studied and reviewed and compared the arguments of both Argentine and the United Kingdom and finally failed for Argentina because his arguments are true because it is a sovereignty dispute. NO self-determination.
Remember that the 16 cases of colonialism and imperialism which is the committee of the UN decolonization, 10 cases relate to the UK ... . The evidence and facts are very clear.
And also you've failed to address my point, by simply repeating yours and saying that the argument' is false' . Why is it false ?
Its recorded historically my many different people and countries. Argentina settled AFTER the British and MURDERED the British flag bearer. They were trying to satisfy their own colonial ideas. the people on the islands are the only people now in the world that can be considered the natives of the island. The UN does not back Argentina BUT backs the need for negotiations. As the Argentines have written it into their constitution that there can be no negotiations on the sovereignty of the islands and that the islands indisputably belong to them, they are stupidly contradicting themselves when calling for negotiations. May i add, aswell, that the islands would most likely have been yours by now, if you hadn't gone to war, and had tried to 'woo' the islanders. Before the war Britain actually considered the islands as a political landmine, and would have seen them pass over to you if they could. But true to their word, they didn't hand them over because the islanders didn't wish to become Argentine. the invasion only strengthened the islanders resolve to remain British and the British governments will to protect that desire, and human born right. I think it is safe to say that after the invasion, any diplomatic means of getting the islands have well and truly sunk along with the like of the Belgrano, HMS Coventry and HMS Sheffield ...
Quite apart from all the other points that have been made, you make the mistake of assuming that in 1833 international law was as it is now. It most definitely was not: the right of conquest was part of international law at that time, and events must be assessed against the state of te law at that time. So, even if you were correct as regards the events in 1833 (which you are not), the UK could have gained good title by right of conquest under international law at that time. There are many other examples of this: just look at the number of wars in the nineteenth century which resulted in boundary changes. In fact, Argentina benefitted from quite a few. Are you saying that all these territories should be handed back to their previous owners? And if your answer is to say that subsequent treaties ratified these boundary changes, how do you account for the 1850 Convention for the Settlement of Differences?
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are full of piss and wind. The UN C24 has never found in favour of Argentina or Argentine sovereignty. If they had, you would be able to show us a link to the documentation where they have, but the simple fact remains that no such documentation exists.
The most the UN C24 has ever done is call for negotiations .. but they haven't even called for those negotiations to deal with sovereignty (the pre-condition that Argentina itself sets for negotiating like the adults that they aren't).
The UN hasn't supported Argentina. The UN C24 hasn't supported Argentina. The Organization of American States hasn't supported Argentina and even the Ibero-American Summit hasn't supported Argentina.
The evidence is very clear that no credible international body has supported Argentina and far more countries (over half the countries in the world in fact) officially support continued British sovereignty and the islands right to self-determination ... because that right to self-determination is fundamental to the UN charter.
So, dream on, buster .. because your bluster is so busted.
I suppose the one case your interested in, is the Falkland Islands. As anyone spoken to the other nine and asked the for their views. I suppose the right to self determination does not apply to them either. Quite rightly too, after all they are only the people who have lived there for generations, not that I suppose for one minute you would consider that as a factor.
As for the UN ask the people of Bosnia and Ruwanda what they think of the UN. (I've deleeted the rest of my blog, this is not the forum to air my opinions on that toothless body.)
Dear Honoria.
Thank you for your reply. We also live in the real world like you. With all due respect, you should consider the arguments not only English but also of Argentine or Latin American historians as Fermin Chavez, Manuel Galves, Arturo Jaureche and others more, all documented.
Will take a surprise and understood that it is not fake, 1833, is totally true and understand the position Argentina.
We have trouble trusting the UK for its history of colonialism. Remember that Argentina suffered 4 invasions English. (1806-1807-1833-1847).
The decolonization committee of United Nations is very clear about this in the General Assembly resolutions 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9 ), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute.
Remember that the 16 cases of colonialism and dealing imperialsmo decolonization committee of United Nations, 10 cases relate to the UK ...
Thank you very much for your attention.
Britain is already a nation with cameras watching its people every move out on the streets.
Here you go - here is your precious UN GA2065 and not even a single mention about negotiating sovereignty of the islands .. only negotiating to find a peaceful solution (and it would behove you to note that it is Argentina which repeatedly refuses the UK's repeated offers to restart those negotiations):
”Noting the existence of a dispute between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over the said Islands,
1. Invites the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem, bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas);
2. Requests the two Governments to report to the Special Committee and to the General Assembly at its twenty-first session on the results of the negotiations.“
Hell, the UN even refers to the Islands as the ”Falkland Islands”, so that shows just how little sympathy they really have for Argentina's half-baked grandstanding.
His reply....
Darwin planted that in his diary to discredit Argentina's claim....and he was serious.
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Yeah, it is called an 'Argentine promise' :)
Do not take this wrong, but unfortunately from our point of view is wrong or at least incomplete.
Committee recalls that the UN decolonization does not lie, has extensively studied the origins of the conflict, in its resolutions speaks of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination
Thus speaks the prevailing principle of territorial integrity, not self-determination. This gives as true that the expulsion of Argentine in 1833 is true, therefore the Argentine claim is legitimate.
Anyway I appreciate your attempt to clarify your point of view.
70 THOR94
Leave the hatred and resentment towards all Latin America. Back to remind you of the 16 cases of colonialism and imperialism, 10 are from the United Kingdom. Study the resolutions of the UN decolonization is a neutral and you will notice.
In its resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII), 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6) , 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination.
None of those resolutions state that self-determination does not apply.
The phrase you're looking for Viveza Criolla. It's a way of life in Argentina.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viveza_criolla
That's just a polite term for 'duplicitous b@st@rds'
Keep the Falklands British -
www.facebook.com/pages/Keep-the-Falklands-British/123151384435619?sk=wall&filter=1
“The argentine never wanted a war. not even in 1982. the islands were recovered because the UK had refused to negotiate.” Bullshit. Millions of Argentinian civilians cheered the invasion with songs like “El que no salta es in inglés”. This is a stain you cannot clean. You are a terrible liar.
”Hell broke loose when warmonger thatcher dispatched the navy and assassinated 300 souls (half of argentinas total casualties) in one go outside the exclusion zone. ” Galtieri was the only warmonger. If he did not want his battleship to kiss the bottom of the ocean, he should not have invaded the islands. It is that simple. He started a WAR. Are you familiar with this concept? Sinking that piece of junk would have been right even if the British submarine had found it in the Pacific. Get over it.
Your whole argument is so amusing because it's built on your own refusal to acknowledge the facts in front of your face.
2065 (XX) Clearly references 1514 and the interests of the islanders.
1514 clearly states “All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.”
You can ignore this all you like, but it will never make you correct.
None of the resolutions of the state that self-determination does not apply.
There are none so blind who will not hear, there are none so deaf that will not listen.
Please not read properly or blatantly lying.
The committee of the UN decolonization does not lie. They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination.
In addition, every year, the Committee finds UN decolonization resolution using the criteria of Resolution 2065 of 1965, clearly states that the sovereignty dispute. NO self-determination
84 THOR94
Argentina suffered 4 invasions English (1806-1807-1833-1847)
Remember this always: Of the 16 cases of colonialism in the world addressed by the committee of the UN decolonization, 10 correspond to the UK. Is this conclusion does not tell you anything?
UK currently continuing its humanitarian bombing civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Iran threatens.
¿Attacked or bombed to Argentina peacefully and legitimately claim what belongs to him?
Sorry, but you are totally deluded and full of crap. I have posted the test of 2065 above and self-determination isn't even mentioned. In typical Argentine fashion you just make your own perverted rules up as you go along .. a perverted rule that you need to invent in order to make your even more perverted claim of 'territorial integrity' look even minutely plausible.
The simple fact remains that Argentina's ignorance of the Islander's wishes is nothing more than pig-ignorant 21st century colonialism at its offensive worst.
www.businessweek.com/news/2012-04-04/argentina-targets-petrobras-after-revoking-ypf-licenses
Who has the best weapons will impose the conditions and period. In this case the UK, the rest is nothing...
Why would I consider the arguments of Argentine historians? I am happy with my British sovereignty and want t keep it that way. The sovereignty dispute exists only in the minds of Argentines.
Your fake version of 1833 is exacty that - fake. Please read the posts by Skare and Thor94 who explain the position verywell and hopefully will relieve you of your misconceptions.
And if Argentina is so keen to settle the matter lawfully, why are you inflicting collective punishments such as the blockade on Falkland Islanders? Is the action of a civilised country that wishes a normal relatinship with us?
Resolution 2065 (XX): General.Habiendo Assembly considered the question of the Malvinas (Falkland Islands), Taking into account the chapters of the reports of the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples relating to the Islas Malvinas (Falkland Islands) and in particular the conclusions and recommendations adopted by it relating to that territory, whereas its resolution 1514 (XV) of December 14, 1960, was inspired by the desired purpose of putting an end to colonialism everywhere and in all its forms, one of which fits the case of the Malvinas (Falkland Islands).
(THE FOLLOWING IS CRITICAL)
Noting the existence of a dispute between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over these islands. (IS RECOGNIZED THE PRINCIPLE OF TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF THE EXISTENCE OF A CONFLICT OF SOVEREIGNTY, NOT SELF-DETERMINATION)
1. Invites the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to pursue without delay the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee to examine the situa ¬ tion with respect to the implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples to find a peaceful solution to the problem, with due regard to the provisions and objectives of the United Nations Charter and resolution 1514 (XV) of the General Assembly, and the interests of the population of the Malvinas (Falkland Islands);
2. Calls on both Governments to inform the Special Committee and the General Assembly at the twenty-first session on the outcome of the negotia ¬ tions.
1398th. plenary meeting, 16 December 1965.
Do not be afraid to debate and negotiation to resolve conflicts.
Thank you very much.
www.dailysquib.co.uk/world/3265-spain-to-give-back-colonial-enclave-argentina-back-to-indians.html
LOL.
Colony - A region politically controlled by a distant country; a dependency.
The Falklands are fully independent. Would you like to know the only dependency they require on another county, Britain ? Defence. Defence from you. If Argentina was not such an aggressive neighbour there would be no dependency on this. Therefore you are wrong in your argument. The Falklands are not a colony, but a British over-seas Self-Governing Territory. Im sorry that its not an Argentinian dominated and controlled colony like you wish it to be.........
As for the Libya ? We helped liberate the people, look it up, read a newspaper, you might learn something. Afghanistan ? they were controlled by terrorists that killed many innocents all over the world. Most of the populace there are grateful for our aid, they are starting to get their country back. And we're not in IRAN, i think you may be a bit confused. I suggest you revise most of your points and your facts, as they appear to be lacking truth........
Its just more fucking bollocks from the brainwashed RG fools of La Campora. Their posts on here recently have been utterly ludicrous.
Read them over. they are about as adult as The Beano. Totally cringeworthy posts that you ride a horse and cart through. Almost everything in all of their posts are made up fantasy shite.
Oh for God's sake, you really are flogging a dead horse with your vacuous drivel .. and all you have done is post the same 2065 that I have already posted.
The territorial integrity argument relies on an interpretation (advanced ONLY by Argentina and Spain) of Paragraph 6 of UN Resolution 1514(XV) which the General Assembly of the United Nations has very specifically dismissed.
Contrary to the interpretation that Argentina puts on Paragraph 6 of UN1514, the UN has stated that the very clear original purpose of Paragraph 6 was “to ensure that acts of self-determination occur within the established boundaries of colonies, rather than within sub-regions” .. in other words, self-determination has to be applied to the whole of the Falkland Islands.
Not only that, but the word 'attempt' in “Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations” denotes future action … not past actions and can't therefore be used as the illiterate Argentinians are trying to use it: namely to seek redress for past action.
I know it is tragically inconvenient to Argentina's case, but in 2008 the United Nations General Assembly flatly rejected Argentina's claim that disputed sovereignty trumps the right to self-determination .. and by a majority vote (61 in favour, 40 against and 47 abstentions) it even went so far as to specifically reaffirm that the right to self-determination was one of the Organization’s fundamental precepts and overrode ALL other considerations and changed the operative Paragraph 2 of the report of the Special Committee on Decolonization (document A/63/23) on Remaining Non-Self-Governing Territories.
Sorry, dude, but Argentina's argument is in tatters and has been flatly rejected by the Sixty-third General Assembly of the United Nations; but perhaps Argentina is just too illiterate to comprehend that fact.
Why consider the arguments of the Argentine historians? I'm happy with my British sovereignty and wants to keep it that way t
Not only Argentine historians, but also expressing that British sovereignty is Argentina. Just read Web pages specializing in the area and you will find.
The sovereignty dispute exists only in the minds of Argentines.
Completely wrong. Just observe the resolutions of international bodies such as the Decolonization Committee of the UN. Read the resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6) 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination.
His fake version of 1833 is that the phone exactly - false.
What, 1833 is completely true. See other historical sources and understand the sovereignty dispute.
There are misconceptions. Ask yourself yourself because there is a committee of UN decolonization? Of the 16 cases of colonialism and imperialism, 10 are in the UK. Is this conclusion does not tell anything about it?
And if Argentina is so determined to solve the legal matter, why inflict collective punishment such as blocking of the Falkland Islands? It is the action of a civilized country, you want a standard relate to us?
British Islanders are not a country. Not a lock. Latin American solidarity that is understood to be a colony usurped territory Argentinos Argentinos justified claims. The British islanders have to bet on dialogue and not violence historic UK.
Quite a few surprises there if we are to believe Argentina's claims about how the UK is viewed by its former colonies. In fact, only one former colony actually voted against the UK.
Either way, under the principle of Uti Posseditis the islands belonged to the UK, and the UK decided to give the islands self-governance in line with UN demands.
The UK was quite nice and discussed fish and oil resources with Argentina, but their utterly sh!t president (yes, more sh!t than the current one) decided to have a tantrum and unilaterally ended negotiations, against the wishes of the UN. The UK and FIG then decided to use the resources with Argentina in absentia. That is also legal under international law.
Anyone who discusses Resolution 2065 as if it's still valid is just a furking moron and a barefaced liar. Clearly Raul is guilty of all this.
“Do not be afraid to debate and negotiation to resolve conflicts.”
Nice concept but we don't have a conflict with Argentina. You are the only ones shouting. And how do you expect us to negotiate with you when:
a) you won't speak to us because we are pirates/squatters/non-people who aren't entitled to an opinion;
b) you will only accept one outcome;
c) none of your Government officials will come here in case we put our stamp in their passports;
d) you want to ethnically cleanse the Islands and I've put too much effort into getting my lawn flat to let you do that.
Just ask the International Courts of Justice when Argentina claimed they didn't accept judgements from them.
Or how about the IMF, ICISD, UN etc etc.
Argentine logic works about as effective as their economy i.e. not at all.
@103 GreekYoghurt Argentina have been at all instances the Aggressor, and that is Historically indisputable . Every time the islanders or the UK throw them a 'rope' so to speak, they soon throw it back in our face.....
Mea culpa. I keep deluding myself that these cretins can be reasoned with .. when of course I know that they can't and that the actually know jack shit and just regurgitate the all the tedious drivel their government tells them to repeat. Do forgive me :)
Territorial integrity wasn't a concept until the founding of the UN, over a hundred years later.
Laws aren't retroactive.
Seriously ladies... the last UN GA Resolution that over-ruled all the others was 1988 (43/25). It gives absolutely no mention of transfer of sovereignty in any way and simply talks about resolving differences in a manner that is compatible with the UN Charter, i.e. self-determination.
”Reiterates its request to the Governments of Argentina and the
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to initiate negotiations
with a view to finding the means to resolve peacefully and definitively the
problems pending between both countries, including all aspects on the future
of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas), in accordance with the Charter of the
United Nations;”
So considering all the other resolutions are over-ruled by this last resolution, it's nullified anyways because Nestor Kirchener decided to unilaterally end UN-promoted negotiations, and walked out.
It's perfectly acceptable that the UK&FIG in Argentina's absence choose their own path for the future of the Islands and their resources, provided that it is in line with the charter of the UN.
Indeed, which is exactly what the UN was saying when they clarified the UN Charter by stating that “Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations” denotes future action … not past actions.
1. “Not only Argentine historians, but also expressing that British sovereignty is Argentina. Just read Web pages specializing in the area and you will find.”
I don’t care what Argentine historians say. I live in the Falkland Islands and I want the Falkland Islands to remain British.
2. “Just observe the resolutions of international bodies such as the Decolonization Committee of the UN. Read the resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, etc etc. They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination.”
Did you read this part of Skare’s post? Read it again.
“I know it is tragically inconvenient to Argentina's case, but in 2008 the United Nations General Assembly flatly rejected Argentina's claim that disputed sovereignty trumps the right to self-determination.”
3. “1833 is completely true. See other historical sources and understand the sovereignty dispute”
The true version of 1833 is completely true. Not the Argentine fake version. And please give me some credit for understanding the sovereignty dispute, I do live in the Falkland Islands you know.
4. I asked why, if Argentina is so keen to settle the matter lawfully, you are inflicting collective punishments such as the blockade on Falkland Islanders?
Are you seriously suggesting that we deserve it because you don’t recognise us as a country?
5. You say “The British islanders have to bet on dialogue and not violence historic UK.”
Have we offered to invade you? No. Have we waged economic warfare against you for 30 years? No. Do we send large groups of thugs with camera crews to Argentina to harrass you? No. But you have done all these things to us. Please put your own house in order before you come to us seeking dialogue.
These Islands is independent ?
Why don't you convert its flag might carry penguin figure instead of sheep../..wiping of British symbol.....
Even British government is ashamed of to say on as you wrote ..
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Your list has action worthless unless Russia/China/USA say nothing.
Are you one of UN Internet spokesman ?
Where are your own arguments ?
In fact, Argentina's supporters reads a little like comedy central and includes all of one single western country: Argentina, Belarus, Bolivia, Brazil, Central African Republic, Chile, China, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Guatemala, Honduras, India, Indonesia, Mali, Mauritius, Mexico, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nicaragua, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Russian Federation, Senegal, Spain, Suriname, Syria, Tunisia, Uruguay, Venezuela, Viet Nam.
You are totally confused or lying. I read the document of the General Assembly (document A/63/23), said:
Regretting that, despite the time elapsed since the adoption of the
resolution 2065 (XX) of the General Assembly, this prolonged dispute has not yet
has been resolved,
Aware of the interest of the international community that the governments of the
Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to resume
their negotiations in order to find as soon as possible a
peaceful, just and lasting settlement of the SOVEREIGNTY dispute relating to the
question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas),
Expressing concern that the good relations between the
Argentina and the United Kingdom has not yet led to negotiations on the issue
Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
Considering that this situation should facilitate the resumption of
negotiations to find a peaceful solution to the dispute over sovereignty. Reaffirming the principles of the Charter of the United Nations not to use the
threat or use of force in international relations and means of achieving
peaceful settlement of international disputes,
Stressing the importance of the Secretary-General continues his efforts to
to comply fully with the mission entrusted to the Assembly
In its resolutions on the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas),
Reaffirming the need for the parties to take due account
interests of the population of the islands in accordance with the provisions of the
General Assembly resolutions on the question of the Falkland Islands
(Falkland)
1. Reiterates that the way to end the special and particular situation
colonial on the issue of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) peaceful and
negotiated settlement of the dispute over SOVEREIGNTY between the Governments of the
Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Talk of SOVEREIGNTY, I mean, territorial integrity, not self-determination.
Please .... No more lies.
I'm enjoying your posts today; very well written and accurate. Don't expect anyone from the Argentine side to take any notice of your facts though. When a friend told me about this site a couple of weeks ago I thought it would be a worthwhile place to have some decent debate / discussion but I quickly realised it is nothing of the sort. Come on here to vent your spleen if you like but don't come on to achieve anything else.
I'm confident the UK has a handle on it all and whatever gets said on here is neither here nor there.
I shall endeavour to try to find out who you are so that we can discuss it face to face. Are you on the East or West? Don't worry, I would never blow your cover. I'll whisper “are you Honoria?” to everyone I pass in Neville's supermarket until I find you. LOL!
Honoria !...are you Lisa Watson ?
I am with you if you want to change your British nationality !!
I think it will be very convenient to settle in USA or Eastern Europe
for you....
Regards/McClick
You guys are surely the worlds most disgraceful immortals, [you are not stupid or thick], and you are all aware that you have no claim whatsoever, but you just want to jump on the band wagon, to utter your anti British hatred,
Some decent Argies on here well deserve their names, but others are a disgrace, you know full bloody well, that if this turned violent, or other south American countries were conned and bribed into taking action, you bad Argies bloggers on here, would almost certainly [if you aint already] be among the first to leg it to another country,
You do nothing for peace or help the situation, but harbour vile disgusting anti British hated, so you can illegal steal and rob, something you never owned, and never administered, you are just encouraging thieving by the back door,
And you wonder why the world laughs in your face, CFK is turning a once great and respected country,, into a 3rd world banana republic, and I pity the decent ones,
[when Argentina finally gets a decent government] these nasty bloggers should be hunted down and put in prison, with there leaders, to wipe there backsides .
.112 Honoria,
we know you hate these fools that are insulting and destroying your country, they are indocrinated to hell,
hope one day, you decent guys get a decent democratic goverment,
and live in peace with us, and the islanders,
In your repetitive rants of writer’s diarrhoea, you recite the same old rhetoric of misinterpreted/false history with such conviction, it only proves just how completely indoctrinated you are.
Britain is not frightened to go to the UN, but why should they; Argentina has no plausible sovereignty claim, so why pander to their constitution, you keep on about colonialism, to suit your argument, but how many times do you have to be told, all that matters is the Falklands are self-governing and have self-determination, which they use to remain British and only have a British base there because they live 300 miles from some of the most devious scum on earth.
I am sure it would suit you to think that it is worthless, but the UN General Assembly operates on a simple majority basis (and I assume you are blind because the USA clearly did support the UK)
These are my own arguments thanks. Unlike you, I am able to formulate an opinion that doesn't automatically fall into line with that of Nestor's bitter old bag.
@115 Rau
Still making the same old illiterate drivel up as you go along I see.
I am neither confused nor lying .. and nothing you posted there (apart from your wholly unsubstantiated claims) even contradicts a single word I said. In fact, you are the shameless lair because document A/63/23 doesn't include any of the wording you just posted there.
The notes from the General Assembly committee are online for all to see and it is quite clear from them that it is you who is the liar: www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2008/gaspd406.doc.htm
It is also quite comical that you accuse me of being confused or a liar, yet it is you who miraculously changes 'Special Committee on Decolonization (document A/63/23)' into 'General Assembly (document A/63/23)' which doesn't actually include a single sentence that you have posted .. in fact, it is about promoting development through the reduction and prevention of armed violence and doesn't even touch on the issues at hand.
Anyway, no-one is going to be stupid enough to believe a word of your shit .. especially as the UN General Assembly's own press release confirms exactly what I am saying, whereas all you have is .. well, nothing at all other than the fact that you keep repeating the same shit over and over again.
www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2008/gaspd405.doc.htm
Sorry abt the confusion at the end it was..
we know you hate these fools that are insulting and destroying your country, they are indoctrinated to hell,
hope one day, they understand that you have the same rights, and to live in peace,
Without threats from the argentine government.
thanks..
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Do you have any documents which are about on US supporting UK at this point ?
So we can assume the remit of the document is to grant independence to so called 'colonial countries and peoples'.
The title doesn't mention the transfer of sovereignty over the heads of the administered territories or annexation of administered territories by an aggressive and malign despotic wannabe-empire.
I'm guessing that's all that matters.
It is right there in the document I just posted a link to - 4th paragraph from the bottom, under the heading “In favour”. Sorry to have to disappoint you.
@123 Ricardito
That has actually been offered in the past, but after the 1982 invasion there is zero possibility of it ever being offered again.
The Falkland Islands were listed as a non-self-governing territory for the purposes of resolution 1514(XV).
Argentina voted for resolution 1514(XV).
Resolution 1514(XV) applies to non-self-governing territories.
Resolution 1514(XV) guarantees the territorial integrity of non-self-governing territories.
Argentina is not listed as a non-self-governing territory for the purposes of resolution 1514(XV).
Ergo, the territorial integrity of the Falkland Islands is guaranteed by resolution 1514(XV) because the Falkland Islands are listed as a non-self-governing territory for the purposes of resolution 1514(XV).
Ergo, resolution 1514(XV) does not apply the principle of territorial integrity to Argentina because Argentina is not listed as a non-self-governing territory for the purposes of resolution 1514(XV).
For these reasons, the Argentine argument that resolution 1514(XV) addresses Argentine territorial integrity is a logical non-sequitur.
just asking
Raul 94
“Do not be afraid to debate and negotiation to resolve conflicts.”
Nice concept, but we have a conflict with Argentina.
Please strange the war in 1982, the expulsion of Argentine in 1833. There is a real conflict of sovereignty. Remember that 6 Nobel Peace prize claim to the UK to comply with UN resolutions.
You are the only screams.
Latin America and the world demands the solution of the conflict. UN CELAC, OAS, MERCOSUR, UNASUR, etc.. All international organizations calling for a peaceful solution.
And how do you expect to negotiate with when:
a) not to talk to us because we are the pirates or squatters or people who are not entitled to an opinion;
They are not a nation, are a colony. They have a governor appointed by the United Kingdom. They are entitled to your opinion and authority located somewhere in London. Remember you are not English Argentina. As an example, you may be UK Prime Minister, I mean you are English.
b) it will only accept an outcome.
It remains to be negotiated. You can look for alternative solutions that meet Argentina and United Kingdom.
c) none of the officials of his government to come here if we put our stamp on their passports.
It's a trap. You are English, and authority located somewhere in London. Remember that there are one nation. They are part of the United Kingdom. The conflict is between two nations. Remind decolonization committee of the UN. It is a conflict of sovereignty. No self-determination.
d) you want to ethnically cleanse the Islands and I have put much effort into getting my flat lawn allows you to do that.
Never would we do that. We suffer state terrorism with the military, with concentration camps and 30,000 missing.
Our constitution states .... “respecting the lifestyle of its inhabitants, according to the principles of international law and constitute a permanent and unwavering goal of the Argentine people.”
CONSTITUTION ARGENTINA, First Transitional Provision
Thanks for that post - it proves categorically that you are just trolling and have jack shit understanding of what you are talking about.
this is not up for discussion,
where do you think you are, in a democracy.lol.
that is to say no written proof about US support for UK...!
just politicans' promises...promises...promises...endless promises....
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Max ==================== McClick
Keep the Falklands British - F*&^ off Argies
www.facebook.com/pages/Keep-the-Falklands-British/123151384435619?sk=wall&filter=1
If Argentina's claims are false, then Argentina shall lose and be internationally castigated and rightly so.
that's a pitty! It demonstrate the war is always useless.
Do you really think it will never happen again? I think, not sure, that Islanders wanted to be closer to Argentina before the war.
Are you a Kelper? Was that true? What was that situation like before the war?
Nothing has changed and nothing will change.
It says exactly that. It isn't my fault that you are thicker than frozen pig-shit on a stick and can't see that the USA voted with the UK and the winning majority at the General Assembly to defeat Argentina's banal assertion that sovereignty disputes trump self-determination.
I found this though: untreaty.un.org/cod/avl/ha/dicc/dicc.html
”In its substantive law stipulations, the Declaration [resolution 1514 (XV)] postulates what may be described as ordering principles, intended to guide the progressive development of international law in accordance with the General Assembly’s own explicit mandate under Article 13, paragraph 1 (a), of the Charter of the United Nations:
- that the subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights (art. 1);
- that all peoples have the right to self-determination, but that this necessarily includes the right freely to determine their political status and freely to pursue their economic, social and cultural development (art. 2);
- that all armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease (art. 4);
- that immediate steps shall be taken, in United Nations Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories (art. 5).”
He even mentions the Latin American uti possidetis doctrine later in the discussion. Which basically says the UK owns the Falklands.
Thanks and let's hope you're right. I always appreciate your comments on here.
to support autocratic institutions. But such predispositions were
found elsewhere in Argentine society, a fact that helps to account for
the multiple types of support available to autocratic leaders”.
No, I am not a Kelper (and nor am I British) but it is obvious how close links to Argentina were prior to 1982 .. and how strained they have remained ever since, even during the relative thaw during the Menem years.
You can't seriously expect the Islanders to ever trust Argentina again .. not after Argentina's deplorable behaviour and most certainly not after the total disregard for them shown by someone like Christina Kirchner, whose family have been in South America for less generations than most Islander families have been in the Falklands.
Good will has to start form, the Argentine side, yet they seem totally focussed on undermining any possibility of any good will.
Office of Spokesperson
Washington DC
January 20,2012
QUESTION :
Does the US take a position on the recent posturing between the UK and Argentina over the Falklands ?
ANSWER :
This is a bilateral issue that needs to be worked out directly between the Governments of UK and Argentina.We encourage both parties to resolve their differences through dialogue in normal diplomatic channels.
We recognize the “” de facto “” UK administration of the islands but take no position regarding soverignity.
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The latest statement follows an Organization of American States Declaration in June last year where the US administration backed Argentina's calls over these islands as wel as press conference given by US Foreign Secretary and CFK in Buenos Aires in March 2010 sided with Argentina.
Little did we know that small event would have let to what we see today.
You are deliberately conflating two separate issues in your desperation to spew your propaganda. I was specifically talking about the self-determination issue trumping Argentina's territorial integrity argument .. which would have been obvious if you had bothered to read.
What you posted is about a whole different subject. And no, the US only backed calls for negotiations .. but not negotiations on Argentina's terms (so, no they didn't side with Argentina you cretin).
You have swallowed your country's erroneous history of this matter much of which is void of any claims to the Falklands and only in 1941 when Argentina (under yet another dictatorship) saw that Britain was a bit pre-occuppied with Germany (now our good neighbour) did your country seek to spark an interest in the Falklands.
The Islanders of the Falklands have existed since before Argentina existed, islanders even founded Ushuaia and Puerto de Santa Cruz and Britain helped prevent war between you and Chile over the Beagle Islands, so how could an early Argentina allow this to happen if it were in such angst over the Falklands? Well the answer was the whole matter was put to bed in 1850 by the Convention of Settlement. So, even if you ignore that, you quote 1833, well there is no evidence at all that supports your claim, whereas Britain has all the evidence. Even Charles Darwin who happened to call by in 1833 after the explusion of the army garrison did a head count and counted 20 spaniards, the majority, among the population.. will you dispute this? If you did it would be a joke with the laugh on you.
So you had a bad time with 30,000 missing, that is very sad but I would be worried that this number might increase to 33,000. Perhaps I am too pessimistic but right now Argentina is sulking adolescent, close to the edge.
And Honoria, if you are a Falklander, hope the egg situation has improved!
Ok ..!
Look at UN resolutions contain Malvinas/Sandwich/Georgias Islands
which are ;
2065(XX)
3160(XXVII)
31/49
37/9
38/12
39/6
40/21
41/40
42/19
43/25.....of the UN General Assembly..................
the decisions adopted by the same body on the problem in the
Special Committee of Decolonization and the reiterated resolutions and
declarations adopted at the General Assembly.
@113 You are irrelevant, illiterate and probably illegitimate. Not to mention a homosexual, thieving, genocidal warmonger. Go away!
@123 There already is one. Between Britain and the Falkland Islands. No-one else need apply.
It was only when the Argentine prisoners of war came back after 82 that they realised they'd been duped by the Junta. The current population are being led down the garden path and will have to wake up before its too late...
Yes, I have been through all this dross with your cretinous compatriot, Raul, and nothing in any of those resolutions says anything about territorial integrity trumping self-determination .. or even that negotiations have to be about sovereignty.
Fact: Argentina are repeatedly offered negotiations, but refuse to negotiate without preconditions (and the US Foreign Secretary has never expressed any support Argentina's preconditions).
The only country refusing to negotiate is Argentina.
End of story. If you are too stupid to comprehend that, then that is your problem.
/over and out
The only one that is still relevant is 43/25 ( www.falklands.info/history/resolution4325.html) and this was before Nestor Kirchner decided to unilaterally end negotiations over the resources of the islands, going against UN GA R 43/25. This allowed the UK & FIG to make decisions with Argentina in absentia. That's the law.
C24 doesn't count, because the UK doesn't engage with it (for it is a den of iniquity). The FIG does however, and this committee doesn't make resolutions.
The likelihood of the UN discussing annexation of the Falklands to Argentina is about as likely as them discussing the annexation of Guam to Iran. Get over it.
“The United Kingdom is clear about both the historical and legal position on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. No civilian population was expelled from the Falkland Islands on 3 January 1833. An Argentine military garrison had been sent to the Falkland Islands three months earlier in an attempt to impose Argentine sovereignty over British sovereign territory.
The United Kingdom immediately protested and later expelled the Argentine military garrison on 3 January 1833. The civilian population, who had previously sought and received British permission to reside on the Islands, were encouraged to remain. The majority voluntarily chose to do so.”
“British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands dates back to 1765, some years before the Republic of Argentina even existed.”
The rest of the world got the the letter and knows what really happened, but the Argy foreign ministry clearly think they can still make it up as they go along, and be believed.
Unreal.
Don't be lazy..
read these UN resolutions which i wrote in | 149 |...
come ..tell us.....
I have read them. My comments stand. Argentina is the only country refusing to negotiate and systematically dismantling bilateral agreements .. and I am not feeding your banal trolling and further.
be relax please....don't be biased....
I read the last one, and it gave no mention of Argentina annexing the Falklands. It did say that negotiations should occur, but Nestor walked out of those.
Do you not understand this, you imbecile?
Thank you for your kind words. I like to keep up with international news and find this a worthwhile site for informative and interesting (and often funny) postings. And every now and again I feel inspired to do my bit with the Argentine diehards that lurk here.
I will never again be able to step into Nev’s emporium without feeling paranoid. Every time someone gives me a sideways glance I will worry that my cover is blown!
118 Max
Am I Lisa Watson? Sadly you will never know ;-)
122 Briton
Thank you for your support, I appreciate knowing that you are thinking of us. I wouldn’t go so far as to say I hate the Argentine government but such is the frenzied ranting coming out of supposedly educated and erudite people that I am beginning to feel rather embarrassed for them.
123 Ricardito
“Is there any chance to create a co-goverment between the two countries?”
(Strangled croak) No.
131 Raul
Possibly the language barrier is inhibiting your understanding, but so far all I am getting is that you are ignoring the pertinent facts that others are putting before you, that you think Falkland Islanders have no right to an opinion and that you are not complying with your Constitution.
145 McClick
Where does it say the US administration backed Argentina's calls over the Falklands? It says “We are sitting firmly on the fence, please go away.”
148 Musky
The chooks are back in business thank goodness, also lots of imported eggs from kind neighbours are in the shops again.
I am not biased - that is the whole point. I am an outsider looking dispassionately at the hard cold facts. Argentina doesn't have a leg to stand on and relies on a mixture of lies and wilful misrepresentations.
It matters not what anyone thinks with the exception of the Falkland Islanders. They hold the power to decide their future and that will be supported by the international community.
The truth is the Argentines like to talk. If talking was an Olympic sport they would be the Gold Medal holders but they rarely actually achieve anything. All that effort by the Argentine government has resulted in absolutely nothing. (Save to act as a diversion while they pick the pockets of their nation).
www.perfil.com/contenidos/2012/04/04/noticia_0017.html
Like for instance claiming to post articles of UN documents which actually do not exist.
I don't think he really understands anything he posts anyway, I've corrected him previously on his obvious 'copy and pasting' of these resolutions, most of which are entirely defunct or simply do not exist.
Keep up the good work man, let the truth be known!
I mean, how you can continue to claim that nowhere in the c-24 do they mention Self Determination for the islanders, the indoctrination seems to be so strong in him that his eyes literally fail to see website in front of him.
The resolutions he mentions all refer back to Resolution 1514. All of them. 1514 clearly states that Self Determination is applicable to all.
The Resolutions themselves all mention the islanders interests are paramount(His response to this is HILARIOUS. Something about “the islanders intrests and not wishes” - He so far has refused to explain how this works.)
The C-24 has consistently throughout it's time as an entity stated that stated that in the process of decolonization there is no alternative to the principle of self-determination.
GarlicYoghurt...!
be relax please..
sit down and take a breath....
I asked Honoria that are you Lisa Watson ?
she said not sure.............
For anyone who doesn't know Max and McClick and other various alias's are the same loser.
You would hate a people who invaded you if every single member of your community personally knew someone who was killed by that invader .. especially if 30 years later those Argentinians are still claiming that the views of the Islanders are irrelevant (or as some here claim, that they should be ethnically cleansed from the islands).
Personally I see not a single shred of evidence to support your claim that the hate isn't equally there from the Argentinian side - especially as it is the Argentinians who are the constant aggressors.
Why do you think Falkland Islanders hate Argentines? I hate what your government does to us - surely that can't surprise you. But I have met enough Argentine people to know that they don't all agree with their government and don't all support Argentina's claim over us. The pity is that they don't feel empowered to do anything about it.
170 Max
Still not sure? ;-)
If a country that did not exist at the time , can now claim the Falklands, and most indoctrinated Argies honestly believe this point.
Then is it not equally true that. the future nation of Patagonia
Can claim Argentina that.
Just a futuristic thought
And want to destroy Argentina before they die,
??????????????????
Their must be some logic somewhere ?/
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Ok !
I am very sure ...now..!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17609577
please wave in awe when it passed your eyesight wont you lol.
Is obvious 166 is unable to achieve and orgasm.
@169 Greek Yoghurt (#)
Cognitive retardation was G.Bush decision to invade Iraq for nothing. You probably supported his decision to kill inocent people for nothing!
posted by stick up your junta
a very interesting article .
is Argentina ever to be trusted.
According with Brit & argie history Mohammeds invaded Argie soil 4 times and failed.
So I guess Argies has 3 more tries to equal uncivilised Mohammeds on the invasion business.
All steps heading to a new war so keep walking.
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Don't worry though Dany, unlike you I give CFK a little more (but not much!) credit than to start a war against a country that could easily crush it.
Learn some history, Argtard.
I guess you watch a lot of American Rambo type movies.
Do you know where Rambo with one magazine shoot down 300 helicopters, 50 tanks, 10 Jet Fighters and 500 soldiers with no brain that get killed like idiots.
That is fine and really entertaining for movies, but in real life “Rambos” are killed and the enemy respond in accordance.
So get real UK is not in condition to threat anyone on these days, so I suggest you to think what you post before everyone start to laugh.
Its not enough to be the clown in Europe that you want to expand your laughing business to SA?
The UK is the 3rd largest military spender in the world retard.
So how about you learn some facts and stop spewing your ill informed, half witted crap out eh? Moron.
More than 20 independent territories and countries around the world have the British Union Flag as part of their national flag, including:
Australia
New Zealand
Fiji
Bermuda
Hawaii
and of course The Falkland Islands and The United Kingdom.
To answer your question, yes, “These Islands is independent”. The only support the Falkland Islanders need from Britain is military, to protect them from... guess who?
What a surprise you've got the likes of China, Russia and Iran sitting on the sidelines, sniggering and goading you on. Their traditional and entirely predictable posture, regardless of any facts, on all matters concerning Britain, Western Europe and the United States.
www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/docs/flagsoftheworld.html
So, you want to try getting your history right next time? thanks, furkface.
“The UK is the 3rd largest military spender in the world retard.”
And that means? Let me see... Ah! absolutely nothing.
Are you going to show your bills on the battlefield?
British military power at best
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xRXDz-C5KE
Ha ha You cannot even defend Scotland
@THOR94
Nope you are the clowns and everyone is tired of you so keep you FS and be happy. BTW when are you going to live from EUM?
Spending the 3rd highest amount on the armed forces of course means nothing, I mean obviously that doesn't mean a highly sophisticated fighting force or anything..... I guess the Type 45, Astute class, Typhoon etc are all just figments of my imagination......
There's nothing like denying reality eh dany....
And for those that missed it he's the same lunatic that wants Argentina to build a nuclear weapon (like it has the money or the ability lol) and deploy it on the Falkland's people.
I feel embarrassed for the Argentine people over your posts....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coat_of_arms_of_Argentina.svg
I thought that if I go to the islands I wouldn't be welcome. In fact, there are some places in which islanders recommend Argentines not to go such as pubs. Isn't that hate? Am I wrong?
Fiji and Hawai flags changed ,are not used now.
Obviously,Wikipedia..CIA sites should be updated...
Do you know ..I am very independent personal power
but.,the one of my needs defense from my country's army..!
Do you know..I am very independent personal power
but.,the other law need is from our country's legislative institutions..!
Do you know..I am very independent personal power
but.,the foreign ministry represents me at the external affairs..!
Do you know..I am very independent personal power
but., my taxes go to our country's treasury...!
Do you know..I am very independent personal power
but., my school teachers had been appointed by our state...!
You are an ignorant! They are not fighting and you don't know anything about the meaning of that...
You can take seriously a country with that coat. Despite the fact you doon't agree with the desicions made by our government there are many descent people as everywhere in the world.
to say “” ignorant “”... is compliment for them....
www.fiji.gov.fj
Also, I can't see any change to the Hawaiian flag adopted in 1959:
www.cvsflags.com/statedetail.cfm?NPart=Z02120102001&statecode=HI
The flags are just an acknowledgement of the history of these states. The Falkland Islands will very probably, like New Zealand and Australia, retain the Union flag, even the British Monarch as constitutional or ceremonial head of state if they choose to do so. There is no compulsion for any former British colony to do this, it's their right to decide. They can adopt whatever flag, and system of government they please. The Argentine government can shout as much as it likes, but it is not their business, they are irrelevant.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xRXDz-C5KE”;
I know you're just trolling but you do realize that video was made by our Marines as a joke?
Set your sites lower my friend, much lower.
A. 70 of them gave you a bloody nose on 2nd April 1982, before being ordered to surrender by Governor Rex.
B. 22 of them gave you a bloody nose, when yiu seized South Georgia, Marine C0mbes disabled your frigate with a Carl Gustav, forcing it to withdraw out of range.
C. When they returned with less than equal numbers, they comprehensively administered a defeat on your forces.
So laugh away, mate, their record speaks for itself.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBAjfgHLyk&feature=relmfu
www.youtube.com/watch?v=azwWSN2pukk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvQw00SV-c
www.ripoffreport.com/government-worker/argentina-tourists-m/argentina-tourists-murdered-l-33f51.htm
www.ripoffreport.com/federal-government/cristina-kirchner/cristina-kirchner-cristina-kir-dc9b0.htm
Gracias Cristina y Nestor!!
Germany the most advanced country in Europe, hard workers obsessed for perfection and very polite so we will not hesitate to tell you what do you want to hear, because after all we slowly archive what we have planed.
My Conclusions:-
Argentina-a wannerbe Empire.
Argentines---the biggest liars on the planet.
'hard workers obsessed for perfection and very polite', it works both ways in stereotyping, you can not say everyone is like that, or indeed most of you. And people often dont hesitate to tell people what they want to hear, its what they dont want to hear, that makes one hesitate, and that is what we told you : No transaction tax. You wanted it, to pay for your failed Europe, and to give the French the much desired fall of the British Financial Industry. Obviously, we were worth more with you, that against, as the utters and rumours of a referendum and possible exit from the EU, brought about a timely visit to London, followed by apologise and begging. You have almost acheived what you have planned, yet you are further away from it that you ever were, with the slow collapse of many countries in the Eurozone, with many more to come. Good luck.
1. Keep the Falklands British -
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2. Falklands Forever British
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3. We Will Never Surrender the Falklands
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Join the growing cause to protect the Falklands from Argentine aggression!
The talking was just a waste of time. All of you don't have any political power to defit the argentine leader or anyone else.
“Shooting”? You or Cameron cannot do any “shooting” now or later. US Pappa Obama holds Cameron's testicles like Bush did with Blair and Brown.
The UK only barks when the US tell them to bark. The war ship is just a show.
Ha Ha Ha....
The Argentine leader is claiming the islands like any other argentine president did in the past.
This is not reason for the brits to degrade her as a human being with insults.
The brits likes to insult her but they don't like to be insulted by argentinians.
Because of the brits insults I will continuing insulting the brits in Argentina or in the US until my last day!
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CFK does nothing but try and insult the British, and the rest of the worlds intelligence while she is at it.
I wish you luck with the Anglophobia, wouldn’t want it to be suggested that we had anything in common with someone like you.
I have good luck. Even my american born husband don't like the brits like many other people. Accept the fact and get lost!
ps. please dont get your big bad husband to beat me up.......
Dear Sussie don’t waste your time with THOR94 he is the classic hopeless peripheral “Brit Nintendo” from the countryside who thinks that UK superior to US or comparable to Germany and that he cans win a war against Argentina because he got a new brand type 45 D.
Really none can blame him for his ignorance after all Brits are brainwashed from the day they are born.
: )
Well that's nice for you.
We don't really care about you or your precious Argentina.
ln fact one could say that we don't like Argentines at all.
Mostly liars.
“Brits are brainwashed ” Listen we only read the Sun for the vouchers giving money off kebabs.
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