Argentina formalizes proposal for air link with Falklands and resumption of fisheries’ cooperation
Argentina made a formal proposal to the UK for the establishment of direct flights from Argentina to the Falklands and to resume cooperation in the conservation of fishery resources in the South Atlantic, indicates a release posted on Tuesday in the Argentine Foreign Ministry site.
According to the release Ambassador in UK Alicia Castro met with Foreign Office minister Jeremy Browne at the Foreign Office where she made the formal proposals regarding flights and fisheries in letters addressed to Foreign Secretary William Hague.
At the meeting with Browne the two officials also addressed “a wide agenda of other issues, with the purpose of identifying areas of common interest”.
The proposal for direct flights to the Falklands from Argentina operated by Aerolineas Argentinas is “oriented to review the current situation”.
“This is an opportunity to improve communications and the quality of life to the Islanders”, adds the release.
Likewise taking into account the importance of conservation of fishery resources in the South Atlantic, the Argentine government proposes “the resumption negotiations with the purpose of reviewing the mandate from the South Atlantic Fisheries committee”.
Finally the Argentine government reiterates its determination to resolve the existing sovereignty dispute only by peaceful and diplomatic means and trusts the British government will agree to comply with the numerous UN resolutions on the issue.
The Argentine government reiterates its standing disposal to agree the date and place to resume negotiations, concludes the release.
Currently the only air commercial and scheduled link between the South American continent and the Falkland Islands is a weekly flight from Lan Chile, which leaves Punta Arenas, extreme south of Chile, on Saturdays and returns on the same day.
Once a month the scheduled flight calls at Rio Gallegos, Argentina.
The Lan link is part of the 1999 agreement reached by the UK, Argentina and the Falkland Islands government which also opened the Islands to Argentines wishing to travel with an Argentine passport.
Last March President Cristina Fernandez addressing the Congress when the opening of the ordinary legislature announced her government’s intention to agree with the UK three weekly flights, operated by Aerolineas Argentinas, leaving from Buenos Aires metropolitan air terminal of Aeroparque.
At the time, although it was only an announcement, several Falklands’ elected members of the Legislative Assembly speaking personally said that Islanders were most satisfied with Lan Chile’s service.
Foreign Office sources said it was an issue “to be decided by the Islanders”, if and when it is formally presented.
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Given Argentina's increasingly bizarre policies at all levels, I'd personally support a freeze on any of these ideas for 12 months and if Argentina behaves itself in that period we will consider returning to co-operative fishing etc.
If it is a stunt CFK and her fellow crazies will go bonkers and then we will know it is nothing more than another cheap, pathetic stunt.
My cynicism is warranted after the constant verbal and economic attacks on the Falkland's and the British.
Let actions speak louder than words.
Argentina will refuse to do this so back to square one.
So if Argentina wants to do it then the UK Government will support talks between Argentina and the Falkland's government.
I see what you're saying and I like your view but actually it is wrong. In the case of a foreign operator permit, which is what the Argentine airline will need, the negotiation is with the state. Of course the Department for Transport in the UK will check with the Falkland Islands Government- the protocol for that is in place between all BOTs and DfT- and accept whatever they say but negotiations will be directly between the UK Govt and the Argentine Gov't.
The end result will be no different however- because FIG will tell DfT to say NO- and any propaganda gains that Argentina thinks it will have made by circumventing FIG will be lost by the need to apply for a “FOREIGN OPERATOR PERMIT”
I doubt it. Russian heap of shit. 60s technology.
Anyway, it won't come to that. The UK Gov't will say no. Even if LAN subsequently gets stopped our alternative is ready to go and it involves no route or companies that Argentina can control.
@12. You hit the nail on the head, Argentinian control. Having now got used to no longer having the service, do you really want to leave your self open to blackmail again? Question has to be addressed.
No trouble and I hope my reply didn't sound rude. What you're saying is- in effect- what will happen but the direct negotiations will be between UK and Argentina. Of course, like all such high level negotiations, they don't always take place precisely how the formal protocols are laid down but I think in this case they will be handled that way; at least from the UK side. FOREIGN Operator permit required! What do you think the UK Gov't will do with a letter asking for permission to fly to the Malvinas? RE-SUBMIT!
People might, if not for the glaringly obvious fault in the plan; that the planes would be going to Argentina.
This is another gambit, and a not very subtle one at that. The Argentinians will have to co-operate with FIG over fisheries as the UK government has nothing to do with that. They haven't thought it through very well. FIG needs to find a way of very publicly agreeing to co-operate over fisheries, suggesting a way to do it, and I'm sure we will.
Are you saying that UKG has the final saying whether or not a permit is issued. Surely there would be consultation with FIG and their wishes taken into consideration. As a UK voter, this is what I would expect.
The UK government won't do anything without asking us first. Whether they technically could or not I don't actually know. They certainly have the power to apply some pressure in areas that relate to foreign affairs.
You are completely correct. Like I said in post 6, there will be full consultation between UK gov't and FIG but the negotiations will be directly between Argentina and the UK.
Well my take on this, is that this is your land, your people and therefor your decision alone. Fair enough the FO can have their say, the last word should be with you. I think a lot of people would agree with me on this.
Who cares about you???
This is not an unusual situation and this type of process gets followed by the UK Gov't on behalf of BOT dozens of times each year. There would be no reason why the UK Gov't would do anything other than carry out the wishes of FIG.
23 Malvi
You are just a mental midget. GTF out of here.
Whats with your obsession with quoting posts. Just refer to them. All I have to do is raise my eyes to read it again.
Oh by the way, we care about them.
NO PROBLEM,Argentina has done exactly that against imperial uk in 1806/07 and 1848!!
It would be a wonderful plan if it hadn't been spawned from the depths of Kirchners crazy dark mind, she obviously has another agenda and is without doubt not to be trusted. Do you have shares in these dodgy russian planes you keep promoting?
So for any Arg airline to fly to the Islands it will have to negotiate with FIG Civil Aviation Dept on the usual matters of Insurances, Flight Safety, etc etc. - and landing permits. Exactly the same as Lan does and the Oil Air Charter line etc.- and any other aircraft that flies in here - as do ALL the Arge private planes that occasionally visit.
Not the Royal Air Force of course as British military flights are seperate. But the charter flight they run does talk to FIG Civil Aviation.
This is not the first time this has been tried by Arg - a few years ago they applied to London repeatedly - and were repeatedly told to apply to the relevant authority here - they never did as that would mean admitting we exist!
Exactly th same for any freight imports from Arg if there was an airlink - Arg Customs would have to prepare the relevant EXPORT paperwork their side- any Fresh Produce would need Arg Agric Dept International Phytosanitary certification - all addressed to the Govt of the Islas Falklands - not malvinas!
All standard International Procedures!
Now, Fisheries - yes - they walked out so good idea if they asked if they can come back - that organisation was carefully set up A-Political totally to one side of the dispute - for the sake of marine Conservation.
Until they do that basic thing, i'd treat anything from Buenos Aires with deep suspicion.
Not that this whole farce about flights will get anywhere, as someone already said, Argentina will talk to the UK, the UK will say talk to the FIG and they will refuse to discuss it with them (not that the FIG would discuss anyway mind)
pardon !.. by some tools in /out of Argentina !..i can prove it.
I “Think” your fine Aeronautical irony is not being fully understood......
I thought you were a Navy man?
Anyhow the TU's were excellent planes.
You are surely too young to remember this beauty....:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Aeroflot_Tupolev_Tu-104B_at_Arlanda%2C_July_1968.jpg
The Tupolev 104 was the world's first successful jet airliner.
Although it was the fourth jet airliner to fly (following, in order, the British de Havilland Comet, Canadian Avro Canada C102 Jetliner, and French Sud Caravelle), the Tu-104 was the second to enter regular service and the first to provide a sustained and successful service (the Comet had been withdrawn following a series of crashes due to structural failure).
The Tu-104 was the sole jetliner operating in the world between 1956 and 1958
The arrival of the Tu-104 in London during a 1956 state visit by Nikolai Bulganin and Nikita Khrushchev totally surprised Western observers who, at the time, thought the Soviets lacked the advanced technology required to build a commercial airliner with such performance.
You are completely correct! How amiss of me to overlook the local CAA. So yes, FIG will directly negotiate. DfT in the UK would only act on behalf of the BOTs that don't have their own local CAAs.
Thanks for putting me straight.
My sincere aplogogies to those I said were wrong.
Chicureo @25. The two most important words in you post to my mind are, “remains serious” wish I could hold your opinion, but coming so close after the OAS summit, something tells me this is just another cynical ploy.
Personally, I think the FI would make a big mistake by reestablishing the flights but it's there decision.
The UN says the Falklands should govern themselves, so it's only right that the Argtards talk to the FIG about flights, as per the UN. The UN says the Falklanders should govern themselves so it's only right that the Argtards talk to the FIG about fishes and oil.
End of Story.
There is no way the Falkland Islands would accept this proposal.
End of!
“The UN says the Falklanders should govern themselves”.
I beg your pardon?
Do you hear it? It´s the winds of change... Flights from Buenos Aires to Puerto Argentino comming soon. Get ready! :)
I really don't care if he is Chilean or not, they have shown themselves to be extremely two-faced at best over the past few months
Got the right answer in the end. Some one did raise a valid point on here though. Argentine still banning Falkland Flag vessels whilst proposing re establishment of air link and Fisheries Conservation talks. Surely the lifting of the ban would be a prerequisit before even giving this consideration.
I wouldn't even go there with them. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to re-allow FI flagged vessels in if it meant stopping LAN in place of this offer.
Are you familiar with the story of Little Red Riding Hood?
That's protection against abuses by Argtardia.
@42 Sure, they're completely mercurial and they still haven't said what they're bringing to these negotiations rather then just demands, demands and demands.
Best to ignore the argtards.
@43JB I agree with youu on that one. I also know the story of the Three Little Pigs.
You got a link to that UN quote? It'd be a handy link to have in the never-ending duel with Malvinistas
The answer is no and there is nothing Argentina will be able to do about it.
I flew in Tupolevs in Russia and the window was held in by Aradite glue, badly applied. Probably the strongest thing on the aircraft.
When the engines were put to 100%, you could not even hear yourself think. They were deafening. Even the stewardess had ear-plugs!
Never again.
1. No one trusts Argentina to up hold any end of any bargain or agreement.
2. The national airlines is run by La Campora - bad news.
3. This is bizarre turn of events by Argentina - say one thing, change their minds, say another thing, change their minds and so on.
However it has been said over and over again that Argentina need to put the stick down, stop demanding and recognise the rights of the islanders.
First there is the matter of the aircraft. As Joe Bloggs indicates it is essentially 60s Soviet technology. Although there was an upgrade called the Tu-154M-100 that got delivered as late as 1998. The Tu-154 is stated not to meet the current Stage III noise regulations and cannot therefore be operated anywhere civilised, e.g. Europe. Note the effective insult. Take note of reality check's comments. There are a known 39 fatal incidents involving the Tu-154. The Tu-154 is stated to be less fuel-efficient than the comparable Boeing 727. A couple of thoughts that might make it less than happy choice for flying over an ocean. Of more interest to Falklanders should be that the aircraft can, supposedly, carry anywhere between 128 and 180 passengers. Perhaps an Islander can comment on the likelihood of between 384 and 540 people wanting to fly between the Islands and Buenos Aires every week. To echo fears expressed on another article some days ago, what argies will be on that flight? Civilian tourists or argie special forces? By comparison, a LAN Airlines Airbus 320 is at least 20 years newer and is STILL being ordered. If LAN uses an Airbus 320, how often is it full? One cannot rule out the possibility that argieland is seeking to force LAN off the route before applying blackmail. Or, banking on an unwillingness to shoot down a civilian airliner, that British forces will be unable to act.
Personally, if I were an Islander, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with this. Watch what is stacking up. Has argieland backed off the response to Falklands-flagged vessels? Has argieland done anything about its attacks on businesses operating in argieland and the Falklands? Very suspicious.
Too many questions. No answers. This is wrong in so many ways. Remember that argies are stupid and think everyone else is as well.
I like your post. You didn't even threaten to kill anyone.
Article 73 clearly say “to develop self-government, to take due account of the political aspirations of the peoples, and to assist them in the progressive development of their free political institutions, according to the particular circumstances of each territory and its peoples and their varying stages of advancement; ”
It never ever says that non-self governing territories should be annexed to undemocratic autocracies where their land will be sold from under them to a one of the president's cabal of shysters. In fact it clearly says the exact opposite.
Argtards clearly don't understand the UN charter, or they signed up to something they don't care for.
You're a dear, and you seem quite sincere. You are however labouring under a delusion.
The Argentine people and government do not want to be our friends. They want to undermine our economy, make us dependent on them, pull the plug and steal our country.
They want to play us like fools, which we are not. I'm not suggesting you are a fool, but you are a bit naive. You can give them the benefit of the doubt if you wish. We cannot afford that luxury.
The fact that she came up with such a ludicrous notion is actually evidence that CFK knows that she is never going to make any progress on the personal and never to be born out dream of her dead husband.
Much better to have the LAN flight, the air bridge and the oil charter. Oh and that cargo flight from Uruguay to look forward to.
#41 I'm a little bit hurt being called “tow-faced”
#37 RC Thanks for defending me. But as #41 say, my countrymen should not be taken for face value. We remain your allies however.
#35 Think: Beautiful aircraft! The Soviets really did have great style. You really should google the TU 404 as it truly is visionary.)
#50 Nigel: Typical capitalist propaganda reaction against the peaceful Soviet superior technology. (Aeroflot I believe has a tube of sealant for each passenger conveniently placed in the back seat pouch for solving this problem.)
I'm detecting from some of the closed minded individuals on this page a complete disrespect for CFK's sincerity. Shame on all of you, as I think she really means well. Why would you question any of her serious proposals?
What is truly remarkable with the bold plan announced today by the Argentine government is the radical modern visionary reorganization of Aerolineas Argentinas, the national flag carrier, envisions the new proposed fleet with Tupovev 404 wide body airliners for long distance international service, to symbolize a new order in what air carriers are all about.
As normal credit channels for such a costly acquisition seemed impossible to facilitate, the government directly negotiated with the Russian Federation with an offset trade swap for commodities. Part of the trade agreement calls for a complete modernization of the Aerolineas Argentinas fleet using exclusively Tupolev modern state of the art equipment. As stated earlier: “The TU154 connecting with the forth coming TU404 service will prove that Argentina is committed to its Malvinas territorial inhabitants best needs and remains serious about its promises for a peaceful solution with an opportunity to improve communications and the quality of life to the Islanders.”
When you all apologize, I'll consider forgiving you. (Kindly please note your foot-size when doing so.)
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Spot on.
Chicureo, Monty is right. I guess we have to work hard with people such as yourself to make sure we get the message across. On the surface the Argentine Gov't's offer may seem sincere but, of course, it is not. Look at the facts and the recent history. No, not the Junta; just look at the last 6 months. They have done various things to us to affect our way of life. And now they offer an olive branch?
I don't think so.
If you truly can't see us please let me know and I will take more time and effort to explain our view on this. I appreciate your input and I do think you seem sincere. So if you truly believe what you've said, we have more work to do to convince you otherwise.
This is the answer to most things on those folks, and don't try to look any deeper... they don't do deep.
I think you're trolling us now, and that's not very nice.
Argentina is not committed to our 'best needs'.
Are you seriously saying that Argentina has a better idea of our 'needs' than we do?
We have said what we need; a second LAN flight per week and the resumption of charter flights.
If Argentina was committed to our 'best needs', it would proceed with those things right away.
It seems more committed to running an unwanted service at a massive loss and proving itself to be utterly irresponsible.
You are right! My country cannot make any deal with the islanders making approximately U$S 28,000 p/y.
Argentina is finished to deal with the islanders not having sufficient earnings to pay the air fare.
The islanders have the option to make a deal with the Chile or Uruguay if they can afford the air travel expenses $$$$$$?
But, for sure Argentina is finished to deal with the old bloody rubbish english islanders.
The season of goodwill in RG Land didnt last long. Doesnt take long for your true colours to show.
#63 Monty you really should believe Reality Check.
“I think if we just give peace a chance.” Yea, right!
We did it in Chile and it only cost us spending 5% of our GDP over the past 30 years to now have the potential to overwhelming destroy a sneak attack from ...Easter Island or some other suspicious lair of our unknown enemies...
(I'm a non-active reserve Chilean naval officer that served after the Falklands War.) All those F-16s, German Leopard tanks, missile frigates and Scorpène submarines seem to scare away the penguins really well. (Only Brazil has a more powerful military, and they seem to leave us alone.) As they ALWAYS honor their treaties, we trust our Argentine brothers completely... just as far as we can throw them. I'm a loyal flyer on LAN and would never fly Aerolineas Argentinas, and certainly not a troll, I'm just in a mirthful mood this evening. Why on earth would you even consider anything CFK proposes as being sincere? I certainly would not and many here took me seriously. “Think” of course saw right through it.
If you read carefully you will find that I have a straightforward approach. I am quite prepared to tell argies what the UK CAN do and, when appropriate, what I think it SHOULD do. In addition, I am quite prepared to tell belligerent argies what I am willing to do. I don't believe that I have ever suggested a wish to run riot in Buenos Aires or elsewhere in argieland killing everyone in sight. On the other hand, I am quite willing, despite my age, to travel to the Falkland Islands, pick up a gun and defend fellow citizens. And I really don't care how many enemy invaders die in the process. Or even if I die myself! The benefits of age.
@58 Quite properly tongue-in-cheek given that you have no option but to share a content with the animals....sorry, argies.
@59 No negotiations. Who would trust an argimal? They need to be cut off from contact with all civilised nations by any means. No cross-border travel. No international communications. No imports. No exports. Destruction of all armaments and related equipment. They should stay inside their borders and learn to be human, civilised and rational.
Never trust an ambitious person with your future in their mind, as you will almost certainly be the next victim.
Not applicable to MAlvinas, rotten yogurt!
of self-determination which applies to the peoples of non-self-governing
territories.180 The Falkland Islands, being such a territory,
appear to fall within the ambit of the right.' 8' Argentina argues
that the right is not applicable where the territory is subject to a
prior historical claim placing it within the sovereign territory of the
claimant country. 182
The General Assembly and the International Court of Justice,
recognize limitations to the right.
ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1073&context=ilj
We have studied the face in the picture; it looks like an air of deceit,
Never trust an ambitious person with your future in their mind, as you will almost certainly be the next victim
Better do not show us your face britton...It is not Halloween yet!
vamos por todo!
Exactly.
Argentina has lost all crediblity. You can not agree a treaty, totally destroy a treaty and then engage in aggressive economic terrorism and highly inflamtory retoric and then come back and say “Accept our flights and accept out fishing limits or else”.
FUCK OFF YOU FASCIST CUNTS.
We're not having that!
Who would trust an Argentine jet landing at MPA???? Be serious!
it was only the 2nd of April that 1 cargo flight was deemed “uneconomical”.
en.mercopress.com/2012/04/02/green-light-for-uruguayan-flight-to-falklands-argentine-ambassador-says-it-s-not-commercially-viable
Very nice comment, man!!!
The fine arts of British humor and irony, that you, so evidently have inherited from your Chinglish forefathers, perfected at that fine English private school in Santiago de Chile (The Grange) and exude on many of your comments............, is wasted here.
Nowadays, only us, Superior Southeners, understand true, classical British wittiness, jest and repartee……….
Pearld to the pigs dear chap…………................… Pearls to the pigs.
You must keep it simple for the turnips in here as in:
Argentina= Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad Dog!
Britain = Goooooooooooooooooooooooood Dog!
Boring............
Did you served in the Almirante Latorre? Did the Brits plug that big hole before selling it to Pinocho?
@77 Any aircraft flying from BA to the Malvinas had better have a lot of fuel onboard, because they are going to need it, they are going to be up there for a long time looking for a non existant Island. The Malvinas does not exist except in your deluded head.
You have used and abused the Falkland Islanders long enough, I can not see them falling for this obvious political ploy.
@Chicureo: I have gone over this with other Argentines before. You say that we should trust you. BASED ON WHAT EVIDENCE OF GOOD FAITH?
Argentina has consistently torn up agreements about the falklands. Try to look at it from the isalnders point of view.
You have a hostile country on your doorstep, a country that has already used military force to invade the islands in living memory, subjecting you to a horrific facsist occupation. An occupation that had Argentinians in the streets screaming and shouting in joy for weeks.
This same country calls you “squatters and usurpers”and teaches a distroted version of history to its citizens in order to justify to them the need to occupy your land again.
Many of the citizens of this country hold the view that if you don't want to be Argentine then you should leave your home, or be deported. They tell you this every opportunity they get.
This country denies your right to self-determination, and your desire to remain British.
It lies about you and the UK govt outrageously on the world stage.
It has instituted numerous measures to try and isolate you from South American trade and uses it's navy and coastguard to harrass your shipping.
This same country has tried to get Chile to stop air links in order to put pressure on you and isolate you further.
Would you turn over air links to this country?
If I lived in the falklands I would not want this hostile country to be able to shut down links at will, or use the aircraft as trojan horses or intelligence gathering assets.
I would'nt want to get too close to a country that constantly demonstrates it contempt towards me either.
Falklands Mount Pleasant: “No”
Aerolingus Maximo Argtadia Flight: “Oh, where are you then?”
Falklands Mount Pleasant: “Falklands”
*ARGTARD RAGE*
Argtard: “This is an internal Argtartian flight, so I don't need my passport”
Border Control: “We need to stamp your passport for immigration, Sir”
*ARGTARD RAGE*
@76 Self determination is applicable to ALL territories, regardless of what Argtardians would like. Argtardia signed the UN Charter, so Chapter XI Articles 73 & 74 are applicable to the Falklands. This is another example of you Argtardians signing something that you disagree with, namely the UN Charter. Your link has no bearing on this issue because in 2008 the UN ruled not to make self-determination secondary to boundary disputes, it has been decided. Besides the international law of uti possidetis made the Falklands British Territory, without question.
You Argtards sure do love tarding.
It's not going to happen. Falkland Islanders will never agree to it. That's it, really.
Amen.
Of course, as soon as the islanders say 'No, not until we see clear commitment', Argentina will say 'we wanted to talk but it was shoved back in our face'... Argentina must realise the folly and stupidity of their behaviour and policies. I guess it's too much to hope.
Lets face it , she was probably a better air hostess than she is a
diplomat.
Allegedly , she charged into the meeting with Browne and spent the next 40 minutes haranguing him about sovereignty before even discussing the “ air bridge ”.
Picture Browne looking at his watch and yawning.....before replying
“ Its a matter for the Falkland Islanders , take it up with them ”
The Russians make good military aircraft, but civil ? How many of the world's leading airlines fly Russian made equipment ? The Tu 154 is hardly state -of-the-art. Having seen this aircraft operated by Bulgarian and Romanian airlines at my local airport, and hearing the comments of passengers, I would decline an offer to fly in one.
The Tu104 was based on a bomber design and not as a commercial aircraft.
The USA and Britain could have based an airliner on their bomber designs and they had preliminary designs so to do. However, the performance parameters are different. Military aircraft are designed for ultimate performance regardless of operating costs. Civil aircraft need to be run at a profit.
Aeroflot was an adjunct to the Soviet airforce and commercial flights were heavily subsidised by the military.
The Tu 104 used to fly the Cuba run from Prestwick airport. It landed here to refuel and use its 10,000 foot runway to take off. As one of a group of aircraft enthusiasts, we would “will” it into the air before it took out the perimeter fence.
The standing joke was that it got airborne by retracting its undercarriage !
I have seen the proposals for the Tu 404 described, in the aeronautical press, as
“a mass grave with wings”
@80 your thoughts echoed my own about that cargo flight being told it wasn't worth doing...
1 cargo flight from montevideo = uneconomical
3 flights a week from Capital of Argtardia = economical
I'd like to see their calculations.
“Argentina formalizes proposal for air link with Falklands ”
And Falkland islanders reply :
“Shove your crappy old Russian 'planes where the sun don't shine.
We don't want you here ”.
1/ Nobody has asked her to do this
2/ It would give RG's main control of airlink
3/ She will then cry crocodile tears when its refused, and then whine onto the UN. Its so transparent and you can see her next move miles away.
4/ Rest of the world isnt stupid and can recognise Georbelesque tactics.
5/ You can never trust an RG as spain, US, and IMF, EU etec etc
6/ Doubt they have the fuel for the planes - infact i read that they were struggling for credit to refuel in foreign airports.
What about with Capetown?
l know it would be expnsive, but what about over the pole to Australia & New Zealand?
#86 I’m not saying you should ever trust me. (I was earlier referred to as a dodgy two-faced unreliable Chilean.) However, I think we should all let past disagreements be forgotten and focus on the greater good for everyone. To quote an English writer: “All South Americans are equal, but some are more equal than others…”
#88 As there are only two paved airfields in the FI, the Argentine aviation ministry felt acquiring the TU 154 to best service the route as they are capable of operating from unpaved and gravel airfields.
#93 Clyde #35 Today’s new technology that is based on proven aviation experience, has placed the latest offerings from the Russian Federation as serious rivals to Airbus and Boeing. Granted the TU154 has a long history, but please remember that the Boeing 737 was first designed in the 1960’s and remains an important part of their offering to the market.
For years, due to negative propaganda, the Russian safety record has been distorted, yet when you look at statistics, the greatest loss of casualties has been from Boeing and Airbus! As stated earlier, as normal credit channels for such a costly acquisition seemed impossible to facilitate, the government directly negotiated with the Russian Federation with an offset trade swap for commodities.
I think it’s important to reflect upon the sincere goals stated by the Argentinean foreign ministry yesterday: “The Mount Pleasant service connecting with the forth coming wide body service to London will prove that Argentina is committed to its Malvinas territorial inhabitants best needs and remains serious about its promises for a peaceful solution with an opportunity to improve communications and the quality of life to the Islanders.”
That is what I was wondering, Surely you could get a good deal on an air link to South Africa. Or Miami. There are much, much better destination around and, I would think, in easy reach as well.
What about with Capetown?
l know it would be expnsive, but what about over the pole to Australia & New Zealand?
AHAHAHAHAHAH
Who cares about you isolde!
GO to bankrupt uk,for a change....
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, PEOPLE. SAVE PRECIOUS LIFE-FORCE AND GO TO ANOTHER THREAD AND DISCUSS ARGENTINA STEALING THINGS LIKE PHONE COMPANIES.
Stealing ,yogui? uk ARE MASTER in PIRACY,Look who is talking...
/ Nobody has asked her to do this
2/ It would give RG's main control of airlink
NOO BOODY as usked uk TO DISPLACE the Argentine population from MAlvinas...
1) The TU-154 is being removed from service and scrapped as fast as can be arranged. The aircraft is uneconomic and is using the oldest 1950's technology imaginable.
To compare the TU-154 with a Boeing 737 is totally spurious and displays your ignorance of aviation. No new 154's have been built or designed in the last decade (why do you think they are now building and selling Sukhoi 100 Superjets, which are truly modern and capable aircraft, along with TU-204 model). On the other hand, the Boeing 737 built today (series 700, 800, NG) bears almost no resemblance to the original 737s operated in the early 1970's. Engines changed, fuselages lengthened, avionics and glass cockpits changed- almost unrecognisable apart from the same name and model number.
2) TU-404 is only a design study from 1991 (along with TU-304) and only exists in drawings and models. If the Russians started design and testing work today, the first one would not fly for another 20 years. (Actually, I doubt if they would call this model 404 in case of confusion with a certain computer error message!).
3) Neither MPN nor Stanley airfields would require a rough-field performance aircraft (they both have perfectly adequate tarmac runways) and no other field on the Falklands would be able to handle a major jet airliner of the size of a TU-154.
Face facts- there is no “forthcoming wide body service to London” with Russian aircraft.
The chances of Aerolinas Argentinas operating any of these aircraft are so remote, it is not worth wasting printer ink on them. Besides the technicalities, no Falkland Islander would trust an Argie flight in a million years (Have heard the horror stories of delays and bureaucracy from the old days, no-one in their right mind would take this chance).
Says it all really.
I wonder where the Malvinas are, as they are not the Falklands. :o)
Apr 25th, 2012 - 12:57 pm
I think you'll find that Chicureo is pulling our legs.
Maximo Kirchner and Axel Kicillof are trying to cover the $2.1m missing money of Aerolineas Argentinas.
Viva Chile.
My best regards,
The document you have produced is not based on historical fact. If you present a screwed up version of history you just get a worthless legal piece of trash.
Try:
rationalwiki.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands
1-Inept, unaware government?
2-Deviousness?
Either way its wrong.
Its like the bully pushing the victim around, tripping them up, taking their lunch money and telling the victim that they think the are worthless. And then saying to them -Ah go on. Have a Worthers Original (Butter Toffee)-
No Argentina. It doesnt work that way. You have to apologise sincerely, straighten their jacket lapels, offer them a cup of tea, and then try to show them that you see the error of your ways and that it will never happen again. Maybe sob with guilt too and beg for their forgiveness... tho this would be undignified admittedly.
Then you give them the Worthers Original
Falkland Islands should have its own Airline by then - Kelper Airways has a certain ring to it don't you think. Reciprocal landing rights will be necessary so make sure, that in 2042, you have 2 pesos to rub together.
Until then Argentina - GSY.
I do think the FI should have their own TV and Radio stations to broadcast the truth to Argtadia .
Maybe Macri will pay for it ?
They're just stupid kids who want to get involved somehow. its the Campora Leaders who are the real f*ckers.
But first they will have to acknowledge that the Falkland Islanders have their own government, so are therefore an independent BOT, who have the right to determine their own future and how their resources are managed. They also have to relinquish all claims to sovereignty, and admit that there is no such place as the malvinas, only the Falkland Islands.
Once they have grown up and accepted these FACTS, then I'm sure the Falkland Islanders would be willing to discuss these matters.
But we all know that pigs will fly before Argentina agrees to these things. So it's business as usual.
#110. ANother wiki,brit bob??
The document I have presented is very accurate,historical and legally.10 UNGA resolutions,and 30 C24 resolutions,plus Mercosur,OAS, supporting Argentina rigth on Mlavinas, San Pedro and SS,are a lot stronger than that law breaking country of uk....THe SCUM of the world
Also try and find some more interesting insults - you are becoming rather boring !
The head of the delegation offered warm congratulations to President Cristina Fernandez on her successful repatriation of YPF holdings back under rightful control of the Argentine people.
Noting that the Chinese people recollect with deep emotion the efforts made by leader Cristina Fernandez for the strengthening and development of Sino-Argentine friendship, he added that the bilateral friendship is developing as the days go by under the deep care of the supreme leaders of the two parties and the two countries.
He wished the Argentine people greater successes in the building of a thriving nation, united close behind the spirit of Justicialismo headed by President Fernandez.
He expressed the will to join the Argentine and Chinese comrades together in making positive efforts to boost the friendly ties between two countries.
Better do not show us your face Argies ..It is not Halloween yet
81 puerto argentino
Very nice comment , man,
…………………
And what’s wrong with Halloween
Is this not the time CFK changes one plastic mask for another, chuckled chuckle,
You guys will never make turnips,
That’s, British turnips to you daffodil’s lol.
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You really touched a nerve with your justified prize of the Tupolevs….
Magnificent planes, most of them….
But the Comrades didn’t just make outstanding aircraft; they had other tremendous products too…:
They shocked the Germans with this one:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVg6gFmuRlE
And the Americans with this ones:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbAXkWPasYw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuxeRNtN160
And certainly the world with this one:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PbZnZy1qr8&feature=related
Even my humble Sturmanskie from 1956 keeps still perfect time without having ever been serviced!
More than I can say about my Swiss Portuguese, of roughly same age :-(
Seriously furktard, the UNGA Resolutions are summed up by the last resolution. Otherwise you're simply forgetting that in 1982 Argtardia invaded the Falklands. Then in 2005 Argtardia (Nestor) walked out of negotiations on resources.
So really there is approximately 1 UNGA resolution remaining which cannot be resolved because the Argtardians unilaterally decided to change their constitution to agressively target the colonisation of the Falklands.
You're basically a deceptive little turd peddling half-truths.
I did have an East German camera and binoculars once. Excellent quality...
Pearls before chanchos... you are so right.
Anyone in the airlines business needs to be very well capitalized to face the difficult business. AA will struggle and never reach its potential. In all fairness, as a private company it would go bankrupt. LAN has survived only because of excellent management and aggressive regional expansion... and not using Tupolev aircraft...
What about the Fisheries talks, surely some mutual benefits there.
It would mean “face to face” meetings between the Argy gov and the Islanders.
Assuming the Argentinian delegates can sit down without demanding sovereignty is discussed.
Flights from chile have proved vital and adequate, why complicate matters by including an unstable country like Argentina that has negative motives?
1) Frozen fish in the seventies was inedible. Soviet frozen fish specially so.
2) You should have bought a Lada Niva, best car i ever had in Patagonia.
(and I mean it!)
Negotiations? Really? What happens in 1884, and 5 more times.Argentina invited to settle the MAlvinas issue in a court of law.uk REFUSED.COMPRESNDE,little brit IDIOT!
Legally there was no CESSION from Argentina to uk.Any terrotoey taken by force,has to be followed by a treaty.NO TREATY NO CESSION! Legaaly not uk or the AMlvinenses are the owners.Your tittles are NOT GOOD! PERIOD,THAT IS THE LAW!
DO not like it,Just take Argentina to court,What happens? You walked away TOO BAD,IDIOTS brits.We can bug you for EVER!
Call me old fashioned but…………
A reliable car for me, down here, is one that can (when needed) be repaired with a piece of fencing wire, a stone for a hammer and a Swiss army knife.
Not many of them left………...............… The Niva is one of them…..
I know about the servicing at Schaffhausen……. But I live down here, remember!
The little Russian still beating happily, without any servicing.
Never thought about its tracking possibilities though….. Makes perfect sense…..........Yet another thing the comrades excelled at.
Do you have any info or link about the subject?
Would like to see if Mr. Think is on the list…..
Speaking about the Comrades…
Came to “Think” about your “Soviet Frozen Fish Trauma”.
Did you have -18 celsius household freezers in Chile in 1970 at all?
Maybe it wasn’t Allende´s fault after all, but your -5 celsius refrigerator?
“who cares about you, lsolde?”
Lots of people care about me, Malvin, lots.
And you? Who cares about you?
More importantly, who cares FOR you?
You do need some help.
There is no need for you to get so angry over something that you can't have.
You cannot & willnot take over our land, Malvin.
And it IS ours,
lt's not yours & it's not Argentina's. Despite all the lies you were taught at school.
l don't want your house,
You shouldn't want mine.
Please try to calm down, there's a good chap.
I heard this story, which for me realy sums up the Russians technological way of doing things.
NASA spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in R&D developing a pen that would write in the zero gravity of space.
The cosmonauts used a pencil.
Now thats what I call technology in use. Pricelss.
Think: Sturmanskie was never sold during Soviet era, but issued. Owners then would unofficially sell or trade them with secondary buyers.
Cars: We are fanatics about Subarus in our family, but there was a time when American cars were fantastic, but expensive.
I remember the early 70, when the Datsun Cherry appeared on the streets of the UK in numbers for the first time. Mates would go on about the quality and how they would never buy one, a decade later, where was the UK car industry? in decline. Same thing happened when Suzuki and Honda motor bikes along. They still build Triumphs here, but they are classics!
Juppp the Ruskis were no turnips.
Nor were the Americans.
Anybody who believes that the Yanks used fortunes to develop space ball pens, space toilet seats, whatever..................................... is a turnip.
It was (and still is) just “Creative Book-keeping”.
I didn't ask you how the watches were distributed...., I knew that.
My question was if you could link to the KGB's list that matches the production numbers with the original owners.........
You suggested at (132) it could be done.....
Can it....?
Or is it just another “Chinese Story” of yours?
Camporistas and aeroplanes.... Not a good mix
I bet you have an Italian surname....
Only in a country like Agtardina could the grandchildren of sicilian immigrants who only pitched up in BA in around 1920 accuse the great great grandchildren of the original 1834 Falklands settlers of being usurpers and implants...
These sicilians only went to Agtardina because the US would'nt take them.
They were either too poor , illiterate , criminals or a combination of all three , and that my little friend is your DNA .
Any argument about who did what / who said what in 1833/1850/1944/1968 are all cancelled out by what happened in April 1982 .
Guess what ? The UN don't recognise invasions.....
I know , you will say “ It was militars, not democrat gobernmets... ”
Well , shucks. If Your Montonero parents , now sadly dead probably , had not gone around planting bombs , robbing banks and kidnapping people , there would not have been a military government . But then , they were only following the orders of Peron , in the same way you follow the orders of Cristina , and following demagogues is never a good idea , the Italian cousins followed Mussolini too , see ?
Anyway let's just hope that your first flight in an aeroplane isn't your last , like your mum and dads .
Good night my little camporas.....
Your excellent synopsis of the wops applies to so many Malvanistas on here as well as the so called 'Defence Minister'.
You know him, the one with the 'nuclear TR1700' 30 year old submarine that is going to take another 10-15 years to complete AND the little rocket that carries a 25% payload: magic - even the mighty V2 could only manage 8%.
Mmmm I think I see a problem here: ah yes, it won't leave the floor. Ha, ha, ha.
Very nice comment, man!!!
Thanks Puerto Argentino! Likewise
Any argument about who did what / who said what in 1833/1850/1944/1968 are all cancelled out by what happened in April 1982 .
Sure brits pirates,still we are bugging uk and we will be for ever,until the pirates imperialist are OUT for GOOD!1
AMlvinas Argentinas !!!!
AHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHHAHHAHlosers!
Do you know what bugs me?
My piles, everytime I take a crap.
You do realise, that now, when I take a crap I will subconciously associate it with the Malvinistas.
Oh well, we all have to suffer for are beliefs. I'll finish and flush your beliefs where they belong, down the toilet pan.
Right....
Argentina can keep on bugging us about the Falklands forever.
We will just get on with our lives.
You are totally impotent to actually force through any kind of change in the status quo.
Suck it up Argentines............
is Cristina your surrogate mother ?
Yet he has the gall to tell 8th generation Falklanders that they are pirates & have no rights to their homes!
Such breathtaking hypocrisy.
Very similar mindset to a certain squatter up in the Andes, another 1 st generation Argentine whose parents are Swedish.
(or Danish or your guess is as good as mine because it keeps changing!).
What is it with these people? Do they have to go the extra mile to prove their loyalty to the failed rogue state of Argentina?
It probably stems from a severe “rejection complex” an unhealthy fixation with the need to prove, “I'm one of you, honest, honest I am.”
Think!!! Me ol' China!!! Nice to see you are back talking about your turnips again. Oh and being the first with the wrong information again....... you are nothing if not predictable, but there is something reassuring about it.
You have a nice day now........
I think that because you have a 56 year old Russian Navigators watch from the Number 1 Watch Works of Moscow that 'keeps perfect time without servicing' you think they can trace you by the watch number.
Why would anybody think that an old French watch (L26 type) with a hacking modification is worth bothering with, especially as it has run more than 20,000 days without the original bearing oil being washed out and renewed. How many of the 15 jewels are ruined?
I think 'I don't Think' doesn't think somebody knows watches well enough to prove him wrong, what do think? There are plenty of old watches in the world like yours that keep perfect time: TWICE A DAY.
I should think about that 'I don't think' and if you can't think of the answer ask your super turnip 'Dunni-Burger': he thinks he knows about blob technology, but, alas, he is wrong, just like you.
I wish I could help you more.
So; no real evidence, no links to Putin’s private archives, no nothing….
Just your deductive hypothesis, assumptions and conjectures…
As they say in Buenos Aires….......:“Puros Cuentos Chinos”
You are consistent with your chosen “Style” though :-)
PS:
You dislike corruption…..
So do I…
1) Any news about the opening of General Augusto’s first will?
How many million U$S was it they “think” they will find?
Was it not 25,000,000 U$S?
2) Do you have a trustworthy link about how much money the Piñera entourage made just the day of the approval of HidroAysén?
You want some? ;-)
One of your emails but NOT using in Mercopress Login accounts is ;
purplemotion78@aol.com
No, I have no links to Putin’s KGB archives, and frankly for my health, I have no desire…
My career was in private industry, not naval intelligence. For a brief few years I was active, before becoming a reserve officer. My deductive hypothesis comes from surviving in the business world.
It’s nice to see you agree with me about corruption. It has been the millstone around South America’s neck. That’s why I detest your government. I actually did like Menem. (He was a very likable crook.)
Tata’s hidden wealth certainly will upset a few, and others will declare it is falsified to cover much more than being reported. I find it all very sad because I believed in the man at one time. He severely disappointed me, and many-many more.
Piñera, the whole political spectrum. The PPD, DC, PS, RN and the UDI have been taking their share. Only the Communists seem to have their hands clean on this one.
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