Argentina says UK/Latam relations could falter if Falklands issue remains unsolved
British relations in South America could falter if the UK Government refuses to hold talks on the Falkland Islands sovereignty with Argentina, the country’s ambassador to London said this week.
Alicia Castro tried to pull Argentina’s immediate neighbours into the dispute, claiming UK diplomatic and business relations could be damaged since the Malvinas has become a regional cause. She added the Malvinas would be better off if they cut their ties with the UK.
Describing the Falklands as a “colonial enclave”, Ms Castro said her government would send teachers to the Islands to teach Spanish, while it also wanted to re-establish direct flights between the Falklands and the mainland.
She told Dermot Murnaghan on Sky News that Argentina “did not want to change the way of life” on the Falklands, insisting the Islands had to be “given back to Latin America as a whole”.
And she claimed an advert depicting an Argentina athlete using a war memorial on the Islands to do step-ups was not designed to upset relations between the UK and Argentina.
Ms Castro said: “Is it rational that a small community, in the name of very particular wishes and interests, are against any dialogue?
“Does it make sense, since they are not regarding the interests of the 60 million British people, they are not regarding the interests of the 40 million people in Argentina and they are not regarding their best interests, which would no doubt be better preserved if they were linked to the continent?”
“It’s not an Argentine cause, it’s a regional cause. The UK not wanting to have a proper dialogue with Argentina, it’s (turning) its back on Latin America as a whole. If it’s true that Britain wants to improve its relations with Latin America, they (the British Government) have to settle this dispute.”
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If there were only one Falkland Islander and that one wanted to be free then so be it.
They're utterly stuck in the past and utterly brain-furked. They should seriously just invent a time machine and take all of argentina back to 1600's where they all apparently exist.
Troll Fail is sad Troll.
The rest of Latin America may pay lip service to Agentina but none of them would wish to stop access to the London financial markets and they will be more pragmatic.
They cannot even have a single interview without contradicting themselves.
- Falklands are not an enclave - the several hundred islands are surrounded only by the Falklands maritime territory (call it the Falklands Sea, or South Atlantic Ocean, but not a “Mar Argentino”).
- If Latin American countries wish to discriminate against the UK, they will have to deal with the EU, as again, Falklands are an EU-list OCT of UK. Currently, Argentina is negotiating with the EU for a free trade deal, and top of the points to be made by the EU is that no EU member countries are to be target of discriminatory practices. Ditto WTO, OECD, etc.
- Only reason to send Spanish teachers to Falkland is if the Islanders actually say they want them. In fact, there is a community of about 200 Chileans who are a part of the Falklands Islands community and some of them might do much better at teaching their own Falkland Islander compatriots Spanish than any imported Buenos Aires types.
- Whether or not Falkland Islanders would be better off with Argentina than UK is up to the Islanders' own self-determination, but on virtually every index of human and community well-being, UK rates better than Argentina.
Then class them as hostages, and demand either the UN or other South American countries send troops ships and planes, to free them.
Well that’s what the lunatic paper said ??
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If she doesn't know these things she should be sacked straight away.
If she does, then I can only assume that the Argentine government doesn't actually want a solution and that this kind of sick trolling is government policy.
Either way, our relations with the rest of South America are not in her gift.
Her and Timmerwoman are like some bizarre comedy double act.
Any relation to TinPotMan, by any chance.
They're just the FAIL version of good trolls, nothing more than that.
perhaps they practice sadistic games together .
cchuckle
Propaganda, history rewriting, rhetoric and abuse might impress brainwashed Argentines and possibly a few others in the south American continent, it matters not.
The islanders own their land, and they own the 200 miles of sea around their land...just like Argentina owns her land. However, whereas Argentina committed genocide to gain her land, there has never been a civilian population removed from the islands.
Keep making lots of noise...so far it has had zero impact.
Any ideas? I think Timernoise is fun for just having random photos of random things in his slide deck to the UN, but that basically made him just look a t!t. Orange-head is quite good at heckling from the back of audiences like a student protester.
May 09th, 2012 - 06:28 pm
Oh yes that is the way to do it. Argentina doesn't intend to fight a war against the British at all. They reckon somebody else will do their dirty work for them. Just precious.
I think that deadbeat in Washington- what's his name? Aguello or something?- trumps the tin man and the mingin' trolley dolly put together. You know, that dickhead who says we're all hostages in the islands. LMFAO!
We're all still here, we're getting richer every day and there's not a thing you Malvinista la Campora deadbeats can do about it.
Chuckle chuckle.
1. Chile - Reasonable well governed. Somewhat nice people, but boring...Horrible national dance, but the wine is excellent. Sorry, but nope.
2. Uruguay - Kind of like the FI. Nice people, peaceful, never causing a problems, and an outstanding BBQ. A big plus is the close proximity and the Punta del Este resort, where each islander would be given a complementary beach home for joining.
3. Brazil - OMG the tanga, the samba and the beaches and the BBQ on skewers... friendly people, but no.
4. Bolivia...... They always wanted a coastline, but no!
5. Peru - Outstanding cuisine!..., but no!
...
13. Argentina.................................................... NO FKNG WAY!!!!!!!!!
I am holding out for this 'Argentine Declaration of Falkland Islands Independence'.
I know it has to be a wah but imagine if they did it. They did it and continued to harass the FI demanding sovereignty.
Whats that? Argentina want sovereignty over a territory that they themselves recognise as independent?
Oh I do hope that they do. Please Argentina. Please do. I might even forgive you for defiling a war memorial, the entertainment value would be priceless.
But no, Uruguay has no interest in “owning” any foreign land. We've had friendly and productive relations with the Falklands for many generations, perhaps from the times of Sam Lafone, who was a Montevideo resident. Many Uruguayans remember the RMS “Darwin”, which plied regularly between Montevideo and Stanley. I myself was a passenger on this ship as a child. Unfortunately our relations with Argentina have not been as friendly, and they have been getting steadily worse since WW2.
I saw somewhere that you attended The Grange School. I went to the British Schoools in Montevideo. Perhaps we played rugger against each other.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SAYlRf_6bQ
Only in Argenweener, for the UK its business as usual.
Oh, by the way, if you've been commenting on Mercopress for a while you may remember a nutter called John Farrell who used to post on here but stopped. I think I've found him again. There is a man on the Press tv website (I would seriously recommend - the articles themselves have less fact than Gordon Brown's 2010 manifesto but they are just so FUNNY) who calls himself 'Irish Man' and he comments in exactly the same style as 'John Farrell'. Anyway, whether he's John Farrell or not, his comments are really something special. If you want a good laugh, read his two comments on this page (I'm the guy who left the long responses to both his comments). However, it's the one further up the comments section that you'll want to read. My favourite line is “There's nothing wrong with the IRA...”. Seriously, read it, and you'll be laughing yourself to sleep.
Here's the link to save time: www.presstv.ir/detail/238035.html
(In case any of you got the wrong idea, I don't actually agree with any of the rubbish that Press tv comes out with - I simply find their sheer level of brainwashing to be highly entertaining)
Yeah! I never realised that having teachers sent over to convert us all to Spanish speakers and cutting off our ties with the UK would be what is best for us until Alicia Castro explained it. Now it makes sense.
en.mercopress.com/2012/05/09/mercosur-going-through-its-worst-moment-in-history-claims-uruguay
wonder why
I don't know about you but I can speak a tiny bit of Spanish ... enough to order a taxi and go shopping in Santiago. I don't think we need much more than that do we?
A nut-job like the good doctor would have had a field day in Argentina under Peron. The historian Jorge Camarasa suggested in his biography of Mengele that he “ ...continued his human experimentation while in South America...” so you have to wonder if megalomania and epic insanity are now an intrinsic part of the genetics in that part of the world.
Seems to me Argentina's relations have been faltering a bit lately and not just in Latin America.
They've lived with this shit since WW2. It's about time Argentina grew up and left national socialism where it belongs.... 1930's Germany!
The global wish machine is currently on a go-slow so we are only able to grant the first wish.
Consider yourself isolated - CONGRATULATIONS !!!
Have a nice day :)
I want that the islanders know that I have good feelings towards them
(sorry for my bad english languaje)
10 UNGA,res,30 c24,15 OAS, 7 Mercosur
The pro brits here sucks! Pathetic animals!
Funny thing is you say that with an implicit negative meaning. Isolation is actually good, we can't afford friends such as you. You understand.
You can't afford a pot to piss in let alone afford to buy any friends so get over yourself.
Agree,Is called ex empire syndrome.......
It's called having a chuckle at the Numpties :-)
Q. What do Argentina and Millwall FC have in common?
A. They share the same anthem - “No one likes us and we don't care”.
May 10th, 2012 - 03:15 am
This is the way of a Malvinista. Never let truth get in the way of a colonialist land grab.
It doesn't matter whether it was “designed” to upset or not. the fact is it did. The upsetting thing about it is that now they know they have upset people they either refuse to see that or they can't see that. either way it's just shows the whole world what a pathetic bunch of f*ckwits they are.
and oh yeah, Alicia Castro's dress sence is amazing!!! I wondered where that old table cloth went, damned RG pikeys!! They'll steal anything!!!
Who is advising her or is she just making it up as she goes along?
What would happen when the teachers got heckled out of town? Armed bodyguards and a new diktat that all Falklanders must learn Spanish?
Utterly mad - I'm rather glad they appointed her.
She did perk up when on safe ground by trying to sell Buenos Aires as a toruist destination. She failed to mention UK visitors could watch their country flag being burned outside their embassy, or witness British companies being attacked and damaged, or watch the endless protest marches that mean they may or may not be able to move around the city, or that they may get stabbed whilst taking photographs, or that the anti-British sentiment has been stoked by Her Madness CFKC and that the police will not assist you in any way without a bribe. It must have slipped her mind.
#40 Greek are you a girl then? Or a cross dresser, like J Edgar?
I intended to post on this site comments expressing my support for the people of the Falkland Islands.However having read these vitriolic, bigoted, racist, sexist and homophobic comments regarding Argentinians posted by “Conqueror” I find myself instead, expressing my apologies to the people of Argentina for the ugly thoughts of this person who is not typical of the British race..I am sure that Argentina has it's share of them as well and so I hope that any reading this, will understand and make allowances for this person.
However Up The Falklands and it's fair people! I wish you well.
That post is below.
16 Conqueror... ”Anybody fancy an age-related slag? If you're short on experience, this female (?) is for you. You can wave it from side to side and still not be able to touch the sides. Because she's a slag. You could shove in an oil barrel sideways and it still wouldn't touch the sides. The bottom line is that all argies are either queers or slags. Whatever you do, don't pay more than 5 pesos. Take appropriate antibiotics before and after. Slaughter your recipient and drop the dregs in the nearest sewer.”
Absolutely pathetic mate! You are a disgrace to the people of Britain! I must tell you that any replies will be ignored as you are not only depleted but deleted.
Ms Castro will also be aware that despite actually forming part of Argentina, unlike the Falkland Islands, in the Chubut Province, it is estimated that some 5000 people choose to speak Welsh!
I mean no disrespect to the Spanish speaking peoples of the world, not least the 71,000 Spanish residents of the UK but the fact remains, we Brits are bad enough at learning languages in general, content that speaking English, albeit more slowly, or slightly louder will get us by in most corners of the world, it's just our nature and imposing another language on us won't work. In fact imposing anything on Brits tends to go down badly, especially sovereignty!! You're wasting your breath in any language Ms Castro!
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/100128/diplomacy-under-fire-from-loose-cannon-foreign-minister
It is solved!!!
The F.I.G wants nothing to do with Argentina or it's government!!!!
Simple, job's a good'un. Right.................... Next.
The only thing that isn't “solved” is the Argentines obession with the Islands and their inability to get it into their thick skulls that there is nothing to talk about.
My opinion is that Argentina should defer the claim of sovereignty over Malvinas for 80 years.
For 80 years, Argentina (Mainland) should solve their internal problems of education and unemployment.
For 80 years, Argentina has to solve its crime problems.
For 80 years, Argentina has to solve its problems of poverty, hunger and drugs.
For 80 years, Argentina has to solve serious problems of environmental pollution and serious health problems.
For 80 years, Argentina has to treat the islanders with dignity and great respect.
For 80 years Argentina must allow free circulation of the islanders by the mainland without requiring Argentine national identity.
For 80 years,Argentina must allow the number of flights of aircraft needed by islanders who prefer to go to Chile
For 80 years Argentina must provide agricultural products to the islanders so wish
After 80 years there will be no oil in the world.
After 80 years no longer exist the current generation (poisoned with hate)
After 80 years Argentina should talk to the islanders (not UK) about the islands.
Maybe by then the islanders decide to belong to Argentina but proud of their British origin and the British culture. (Will not be required to learn Spanish)
this is my utopia
There is no problem.
Well said, Peace to the World.
So, for her to say that it's a regional problem is a very lame attempt to make it seem of greater importance than it really is.
Whats 80 years got that forever has noy? Argentina needs to change its ways forever or what happens in 80 years time, we will all be long dead and our grandchildren will still be on this forum going on and on about the same things like a stuck record.
May 10th, 2012 - 12:37 pm
Argentina needs more clear thinking, an open minded approach and respectful representation such as you show. It would yield far more than the aggressive, confrontational and downright disrespectful approach your government is currently following.
Do you fancy running for office?
I would add though that the FI might still not wish to become Argentinian or even remain British. In 80 years they may be able to sustain independence. Would you respect that decision if it were taken?
Final point. We will always have the islands and if the whole of SA did by any chance, try to invade the FALKLANDS, we would win the battle because we are BRITAIN and they are SA. All I need to say about that.
The isolationism of that area (minus the expansionist wars), is what I advocate. Go back to the period from 1870 to 1945, when Argentina traded with others but had no friendly relations with anyone, ignored aloof the rest of Latin America, ignored the USA (to their eternal hatred of us as their ego was booboo), and certainly ignored Asia, and Africa. Stayed out of all wars including the two world wars.
Go back to that with the added bonus we ignore Europe too (since we don't have the immigration or investment flows of the time), and of course the Falklands.
Just trade, and trust no one. And keep to ourselves.
Argentinian goverment + international politics + Retarded statements
67 Ted. I completely agree with you about Conqueror, hes a sick sick man & i dislike the fact he's British (if he is).
79 I did not say: After 80 years Argentina claim to the islands.Isaid:After 80 years Argentina should TALK to the islanders (not UK) about the islands.
MAYBE by then the ISLANDERS DECIDE to belong to Argentina...
80 let me dream that our grandchildren will have better relationship between them than us.
Why can't the Falkland islands just belong to The Falkland Islanders and then let them choose who their friends are !
Let me continue with my utopian thought, Independence from Falklands? Why not? maybe after 80 years the relations between Argentina and the Islanders are excellent and perhaps forming some mixed families (or not). Maybe by then many Argentines live there (not allowed politicians or lazy). 3000 Islands (British descendants) new islanders +3000 (descendants of Argentines) + some islanders (descendants of other peoples) Decide to be independent without forgetting its origin Argentine or British. Argentina and UK stop claim to islands and all happy for ever
@36 You have to consider how they obtained their education/brainwashing. The re-writing of history to benefit argieland began with Peron.
@42 If you're right the only answer is massive culling.
@45 As expbrit says “Consider yourself isolated”. That means you can't talk to us. Goodbye.
@49 “10 UNGA,res,30 c24,15 OAS, 7 Mercosur” All irrelevant to proper people. By which I mean human beings. Note that argies aren't human beings.
@52 Thought you wanted to be “isolated”. That would be another argie lie then!
@53 Chat away, kiddie. Sometime, probably in the near future, your cesspit is going to take one step too far. Shortly after, you'll be dead. Have a nice day!
@63 I thought it was Munchy Moron Maximo!
@65 “Snazzy”? She looks like what she is. An old argie slag. But now we know what you like. What is it that attracts you the most? Old, argie or slag? My money's on “argie”, since you think CFK's a Queer......sorry, Queen. But then we know what a “queen” really is, don't we?
@67 Dear Teddy Bare. I'm sure that you subscribe to the mantra “Love thine enemy”. I don't. My mantra is “Kill thine enemy”. “And mine enemy's parents, grandparents, children, brothers, sisters, cousins....” You get the idea? The Falklands War represented an error of British judgement. We were humane, gentlemanly, considerate. What we should have done was to eliminate so many that argieland would never dare upset us again. 66,000 would have been a good figure. The entire invasion force. And a promise that any future attempt would result in argie losses of ten times that number. I judge you to be too namby-pamby. A milksop. Have you ever considered becoming a man? Pity becoming a British man is out of reach!
Can we not just have a discussion about what both sides think !.
There are many, many Argentines that dislike CFK et al and their dealings with the LAs Malvinas issue but still feel that -Las Malvinas son Argentina-
This is the problem. Nationalism is responsible for the dire -governments- and the embedded corruption etc in Argentina and yet most Argentines, it seems, can-t see the connection.
Argentina needs to forget Las Malvinas, be grateful for having so much land and resources in the first place and sort its own shit out.
That was the reason i joined this site, to debate this whole mess. Sadly their are a couple extremists on hear who need to grow up (alot).
I don't know why but everytime i try to picture Conqueror, i see a angery teenage boy who hates everything because his parents wouldn't buy him COD4, future BNP member, closet homosexual (because lets face it he's always talking about it), or maybe a religious nut. etc etc......
I agree there are extremists but you are falling into the trap
until tomorrow dear friends
(I hate the way mercopress prevents you from editing your own posts and you have to wait for a reply before you can add an additional comment - the number of times you post a comment and then read what you have written and then wish that you could clarify your post but cannot)
Join who? I have no idea what you mean by what you wrote. Sounds a bit odd.
I get what you say about mercopress the number of times i've wanted to change what i have written.
sorry the homosexual was not singled out from your post (I also have good gay friends) but it is so easy to to let ourselves drop to the level of innuendos and name calling.
If we just use our interception of facts and ignore their non facts - they might go away - or we can ignore them
it does not matter if you wait 79 years or 81 years,
as long as argentina has these offending articles in her constitution, it will be pointless,
may we suggest, she takes the offending articles out of the constitution, then you may or may not talk.
I was answering to 77 and 93 about this
tobias sorry ,english is not my languaje
I am biting my tongue and not being John Lennon - it is hard - but I will still try
Ok, you mean that what you wrote is a song by Lennon. Allright.
But what did he mean by “join us”? Join who or what if he is against nationalism?
because your country has proved a rotten friend and business partner.
I am sure you are right ynsere. I am grateful I have the capacity to see this, because we have done wrongs.
What is sad is that the rest of you believe we have no reason to distrust you, because it proves how ill-informed you all are about what was done or attempted to be done throughout history by most other countries.
but you can change the future,
by altering today,
so taking out the offensive item in the the constitution, may well change the future [may it not]
read : Life in a Peaceful New World
Argentina want the Falkland Islands to be part of Argentina - 2009 December - Argentine parliament passes law claiming Falkland Islands and several other British overseas territories in the area.
Also lets not forget Alicia Castro's recent comment “we will send them teachers so that they can speak Spanish”
Thanks for your support. As a Falkland Islander I am grateful to the UK for what they do to facilitate our identity.
”(I hate the way mercopress prevents you from editing your own posts and you have to wait for a reply before you can add an additional comment - the number of times you post a comment and then read what you have written and then wish that you could clarify your post but cannot)“
You could try doing what I do? Write your comment and then blue it...copy and paste into your ”compose email” and then save it as a draft..You can then do your editing and when you are satisfied with it...reverse the procedure and then submit..good luck, Ted.
We can and always check but sods law is that when it is actually published is when you notice the mistake!!
To me, Independence - when the Islands are at the right stage for it , which is not quite yet -is the only logical solution.
All sides can then be seen to get something and nobody looses face.
Arg would recognise us - UK as such would no longer be here(my understanding is that it is the “British/European” prescence that most of you object to) - the Islands would be an Independent State and member of the Commonwealth just like a mini New Zealand. Probably also a member of the OAS.
Today sadly just a pipe dream - but who knows, in 50-100 years maybe!
maybe they can join a trade org with chile, uruguay and brazil
Ok, I just had never heard of those lyrics of Lennon, so I was just wondering what he meant by “I hope you join us”... Since you know the song, I was hoping you knew what he meant.
1) By changing the name of the Malvinas to The Falkland Islands
&
2) By the Argentinians having no legal claim to the Islands whatsoever.
If they want them, come and take them. Next time though, due to limitations in the UK's abuility to defend the Islands, it will be militarily necessary to attack Argentina directly with whatever weapons will have the greatest effect.
Perhaps, begining with the truth.
A world without war and without borders, where we're all equal.. sounds like the communist's dream, does it not? And we all know how well communism works, when you include humanity *cue North Korean video*
that will not end,
we have no borders in eurogravyland, and look at the bloody mess,
and while the democracies of the world play lilly whites, the rest of the world, is either killing each other, or stealing what is not theirs,
peace,
a word the dead understand very well,
and make no mistake, we will be joining them.
Waits at the window, wearing the face that she keeps in a jar by the door,
who is it for?
Cristina De Kirchner died in the church and was buried along with her name, nobody came.
Father McKenzie wiping the dirt from his hands as he walks from the grave, no one was saved.............
I love The Beatles, I think were the best musicians of the century 20.The Beatles are idols in Argentina even after a long time.
John Lennon certainly made many mistakes because he was human. All humans make mistakes.
I'm not defending John Lennon in his errors,(for example drugs) I just like very much the IDEA of “imagine” a better world.
I am not sure if John was thinking of a communist dream but I'm sure I'm not thinking about communism as a solution.
you're right ,communism has caused much harm to humanity and closed borders instead of opening borders.
May 11th, 2012 - 02:05 pm
I am also a great fan of the Beatles. I think what John Lennon was talking about in “Imagine” was being against nationalism which he felt was the basis of all our woes. I still feel he was right about this, I consider myself a patriot because I love my country but I'm not a nationalist because I know that my country sometimes makes mistakes.
One of the worst has been putting the Kirchners into power.
Clad in black don't look back and I love you
You're dirty and sweet, oh yeah
Well you're slim and you're weak
You've got the teeth of the hydra upon you
You're dirty sweet and you're my girl
Get it on, bang a gong, get it on
Get it on, bang a gong, get it on
Well you're built like a car
You've got a hub cap diamond star halo
You're built like a car, oh yeah
Well you're an untamed youth
That's the truth with your cloak full of eagles
You're dirty sweet and you're my girl
Get it on, bang a gong, get it on
Get it on, bang a gong, get it on - oh
Well you're windy and wild
You've got the blues in your shoes and your stockings
You're windy and wild, oh yeah
Well you're built like a car
You've got a hub cap diamond star halo
You're dirty sweet and you're my girl
Get it on, bang a gong, get it on
Get it on, bang a gong, get it on - ooh
Well you're dirty and sweet
Clad in black, don't look back and I love you
You're dirty and sweet, oh yeah
Well you dance when you walk
So let's dance, take a chance, understand me
You're dirty sweet and you're my girl
Get it on, bang a gong, get it on
Get it on, bang a gong, get it on - ow
Get it on, bang a gong, get it on - ow - get it on - mh
Get it on, bang a gong, get it on - a-a-a-a
Get it on, bang a gong, get it on - a-a-a-a ....
Take me, for a meanwhile I'm still thinking ....
Cat...Get it on! Get it on Girl! Boogie and leave the Falkland Islanders alone! Boogie C.F.K
www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4HQbRuWJUU
A Boogie for the Falkland Islanders to sing to C.F.K
What is the meaning of “ Beatles ” word ?
beetles with rate=beat=rhythm or something similar
Try this page. No definitive answers there but it's a great read for Beatles fans - of all ages :-)
www.recmusicbeatles.com/public/files/bbs/name.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead -
Paul vs Faul
” … in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. – Adolf Hitler
And no..I am not making a comparison between ordinary Argentinian folk and that scum Hitler! but find the big lie theory interesting!
Here in old blighty half of us can barely speak the queen's english let alone anything else!
However, by rankings of UN Human Development Index, Press Freedom, Human Rights Watch, if you do want to learn a second language, might be better to choose something like Norwegian, but since most Scandinavians speak English, learn something else to make yourself welcome in Oslo/Stockholm/Copenhagen - like learning a few tunes of Carlos Gardel and playing bandoneón?
No, mate :-) It's a big old barrel of bullshite.
This is the only bit I remember from the time;
“Abbey Road album: The cover shows the Beatles walking across Abbey Road. John is dressed in white, as the preacher. Ringo is dressed as pallbearer, Paul, who is out of step, barefoot, and holding a cigarette in his right hand when he is a left hander, is the corpse. And George is dressed like the grave digger.”
I was only 15 at the time but - as a left handed person myself - I found nothing unusual about being “out of step”, or “holding a cigarette in the right hand when he is a left hander”. I am nearly alway out of step when walking with others because right handed people tend to strike off with their right foot first and I don't. I also often use my right hand for holding a cigarette so nothing strange there either. Us lefties have to adapt to living in a righties world so a lot of us - like Paul - are ambidextrous by necessity.
When the Beatles broke up the band, this fact caused much sadness in Argentina.
The following video is a tribute to the beatles played by the musical group Argentino “The Barbarians”
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqs3SBgHU6o
Thank you, that was pretty good! :-) I sent the link to my son in Madrid - he wasn't born until 7 years after they split but he's a fan and should enjoy that.
btw: My lefty - righty story is true :)
Does she not note the irony of her comment?
Colonial Enclave: Teach Spanish?
She really needs a “check-up from the neck-up”, She's nuts.
International Law and Geography are not always in unison MrKane. Do not treat the British like idiots. Insults are where you end up when you have ran out of decent argument and scratch the bottom of the barrel. The Falkland Islands are 300 miles away from Argentina. Three hundred miles away...many many times outside of RG Land waters even if the islands are sitting the 'South American' continental shelf that has nothing at all to do with it. The Falkland Islands existed BEFORE Argentina were a Nation itself and was a Spanish colony bent on killing off as many of the indiginous indians that are the rightful people of your Nation and Continent so do not start your mud slinging as you are throwing stones in a glass house! History is a very grey and murky place to be and our ancestors have a lot to answer for, I would bet that you are from the Irish by the way you bitterly point your finger at the British. Be careful what you say as you need to know what you are talking about, tales from the past and propaganda are not fact or historically correct. English soldiers will eat your children...nearly believed me didn't you?
If (Place(Falklands) = On (Argentina's ContinentalShelf)) then Falklands.isColonialConclave = TRUE
Well this works for Chile and Brazil too.
If (Place(Brazil) = On (Argentina's Continental Shelf)) then Brazil.isColonialConclave = TRUE
If (Place(Chile) = On (Argentina's Continental Shelf)) then Chile.isColonialConclave = TRUE
Using your logic, think of all the places on Argentina's continental shelf that are clearly a colonial enclave.
OMG.. that means France owns Germany!! no wait, GERMANY OWNS FRANCE!! Because Germany is on France's continental Shelf!!!
“above all, the islands are Argentines, for right, for history, and because they are in our offshore platform.” WTF!!! The UK must be France's offshore platform!!! OMG !!!
MrKane you are officially an uneducated moron.
Isla Apipé - part of Argentina within Paraguayan inland waters of the Rio Paraná.
Formosa etc should be in Paraguay.
In first place the island was discovered by Spaniards when Argentine declared independece they inherited the islands, the Island belonged to spain officially from 1767 this was supported by the french at that time and for more than 50 years the british didnt gave a rat's ass about it.
And there is also the matter of proximity this lands are off shore of Argentina.
Again the principle of self-determination does not apply to the falklanders
For this there must be a legitimate relationship between that population and the concerned territory and lets be honest there is no such relationship since the British occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the people that had settled there and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina.
There are two fundamental thruths and everyone knows them, this land belong to the Argentine, and the british are the bigest pirates and bullies the world has ever known, there are 17 colonial enclaves left on this earth 11 belong to the british, what does that tell you?
I am not going to labour the ownership argument from whenever the Spaniards were there, the French and whoever...you are wrong because you believe your own bullshit taught to you in school by corrupt Goverments. Don't talk to me about bullies, Argentina are the biggest bullies in the South Americas and that is now and not hundreds of years ago. You should read up on independant versions of the islands history and see that you have been taught bullshit all along, there are plenty of examples. Please, shut up about your version of 'self determination' and the relationship between the concerned people and territory. The generations of people who populate the islands have that right and not the UK, not Argentina and certainly not you, but, the population that live there now and have done for many generations. What are you going to do with those people against their will? Invade again? Exterminate them? Come on Kane, get a grip, you and your brainwashed mates will never 'own' those islands so go away in short jerky movements. Remember, you lost any rights you 'think' you have to those islands when you invaded the place in 82 and were expelled as rotten bullies of the 20th and 21st centuries. Pirates my arse, the Empire strikes back, pot and kettle me thinks, good God, the Spanish were barking mad campared to the British, at least the Brits made an effort to include the locals they invaded in their futures and not try to exterminate them all by ethinc cleansing. Sod off you hypocrite!
Didn't mean to push your buttons. Do not talk about what I learned or did not learn in school because you dont have a clue about it, so keep quiet about the things you don't know. What don't you indulge me and tell me how are my brainwashed mates. Since I dont know what the heck are you talking about. Don't get all paranoid on me pup.
I know this goes against the uk way of doing things, but there would be no violence involved on reclaiming the islands. We hope they will all leave peacefully to live under their beloved flag, I'm sure England will have room for a few thousand more people.
But ...you know what, I'll cut you some slack and use your logic for once.
According to you, if I go to your house per say and just kick you and your family out and let's say I bring my cousin, after this you will probably comeback and try to get it back, then I can come and tell you, hey! my cousin is the rightful owner, you have to respect his determination. Hey i'ts not me, It's my cousin and his family, he just wouldn't leave and we ought to respect that, don't we?
On the other hand I know you don't care about this but the 1982 incident was done under a military dictatorship, an illegitimate government not chosen under democracy by argentinians. In fact 30000 argentinians were murdered between 1976 and 1983, and those who ruled back then are actually still under trial as we speak.
I'm leaving a little song for you all www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcnDiLHGUL8
You talk crap.
The Falklands were discovered by the British, It is believed what the Spanish thought were the Falklands was the Jason Islands.
1690: The British Officially claimed to Falklands. That's 125 years BEFORE you nation even existed.
1764: French Arcadians (from Canada, not France) found a settlement
1765: The British found a settlement (that's 50 years BEFORE your nation existed)
1833: The British Army arrives to expell an illiegal Garrison you lot sent. No Argie settlers are sent home, but are encouraged to stay in fact.
Vernet: A Governor who worked for the British, NOT for the Argies is removed at the same same as he had gone renegade (a bit like your nationial government).
Can you explain how an Argentinian claim fits into this?
There are historical documents online for you to read- open your eyes and get an Education!
As to Colonialism: It's OVER, FINISHED. You stand on ground that once belonged to the native South Americans, that you have stolen. As British Lion said, be careful before you talk of colonialism- Your entire nation consists of stolen land- FACT.
Kane you must think I know nothing of what I speak in as much I should not judge you without any personal knowledge of you, I am simply reacting to the rubbish you have written on this forum that is utter nonsense. You should take some advice from Moriety @155 and learn the truth.
I have earned my right to a strong opinion about this very subject as I am veteran soldier of the war. I might be bias, however, I lost good friends who sacrificed their lives for the FALKLAND Islands and I was badly wounded leaving me a cripple. If you have invested anything for the islands then let me know, but, please, don't assume I am an idiot.
Top marks to you mate, you had my full respect for fighting in that conflict- a conflict in which the officers demonstrated what a pile of crap they had become, and which was only saved by the skills of the ordinary Servicemen. You have my utmost respect.
However I have been insulted several times, but you know what, I don't take it personally, not online, so I really don't care.
We can argue all day who got here first and who got second, we won't come to an agreement, so let's agree to disagree on that matter.
However there is a matter of proximity and that is a fact. I think it would be good if both countries will at least sit down and talk about this, find and alternative, a peaceful one. I find this option very unlikely at least with the current administration in the UK.
I'm sorry that you had to fight and lose friends, I think we all know that the only reason Thatcher got into that war it's because of her bad political and public image at the time, basically saving her career. Same reason why the military dictatorship went into that stupid war. So this really comes to the real victims, you, your fallen soldiers and the 600 hundred Argentinian soldiers, including the 300 that died at the sink of the ship “General Belgrano”.
So to you the fact that I didn't personally fight this war doesn't entitle me to an opinion, that just isn't very fair, don't you think?
One more thing, don't believe everything this website says about Argentina, most of time it sound very much a biased opinion.
We can argue all day “We can argue all day who got here first and who got second, we won't come to an agreement, so let's agree to disagree on that matter.”
The simple fact is the very first settlers were French Arcadians from CANADA in 1764.
The next lot a year later were BRITISH. NOT Argentinian.
The General Belgrano: So many men died without reason on that ship. The two destroyers escorting her ran away when she got torpedoed, yet their job was to protect her. I've read that the submarine; HMS Conqueror sent an “en clair” (look up the French, but international words to understand it) message to the destroyers to say they would not be attacked if they collected the sailors abandoning Belgrano. The Destroyer captains were a disgrace to all, not just the Argentinians: One of my uncles was in the Royal Navy at the time, and the crews would never had allowed that to happen- to either a British or Argentinian ship. The captain would of had a mutiny if a Royal Navy Warship sailed pass Argentineans sailors (humans) in the water without collecting them.
I hope one day we all can come to an agreement on this matter, without violence, I know that Argentinian government is attempting to get at least the UK to sit down and talk about it, Mr Cameron sees agression from Argentina, and he feel harrased, but I think our claim is legitimate.
I feel sorry for the falklanders since they are caught in the middle of this matter, like children are on a divorce.
Once again I'm sorry you had to fight such an unnecessary war.
We are in 100% agreement on the sinking of the General Belgrano, she was sailing away, and the entire world knows it. It was a political decision, not a military one. The Royal Navy would have gone after your Aircraft carrier instead. A lot of humans died as a result. I'm angry with the Captains of the destroyers: these were not gentleman or Captains, as well as Thatcher interferring: Many mothers lost their sons that day, in the conflict, so did many British mothers.
One day the politicians will understand that if THEY make a war, the SOLDIERS should be allowed to fight it- without interference.
Moving on: At the moment your government is trying to stir up hatred.
The Falklanders hate you for what you did, for us in the UK we are mellowing over time towards you, but are now getting annoyed with your president. She is trying to get the other Colonial South American nations to hate Britain.
She just does not understand that us British want the Falklanders to choose themselves what they want. At the moment they have independence as a “self-governing territory” within the UK. Our Government speaks to them to ask what they want regarding “Foreign Affairs” mainly, but in all other matters they are independent of the UK.
Have you actually spoken to a Falkland Islander on this board?
As to Argentinian “claims” on the Island, I've never yet seen any Argentinian tell me what these claims are, based an historical documents. Because none exist. You do have a bunch of Kelpers who have been living on the Islands for a couple of hundred years, and it is about time your president spoke to them, not us in the UK.
Thanks to you both for writing with dignity and without resorting to a slanging match and ultimatly, calming me down. I am sorry, on occasions I can get very passionate and as MrKane has admitted to doing, 'pressed my buttons' on this subject. In addition, I agree 100% that we can agree to disagree on certain topics such as the true 'ownership' of the islands and our political opinions. It seems we all agree that the 1982 war was a disaster for both the Falkland Islands and Argentina, however, since then the benefits to both territories are far reaching, such as Argentina got rid of their military Junta and the islands grew stronger and more self governing. Thatcher has a 'love hate' following in the UK and as a South Wales man, have never had much faith or love for the Conservatives. On the islands, they of course 'love' Thatcher. I think that it is far too soon for any mellowing of views from the Islanders perspective since they were invaded 30 years ago and from the British UK perspective, too many lives were lost and ruined by the war to establish any relationship with Argentina that involves 'soveriegnty', that has been left firmly and squarely with the islanders to determine, thus, it is fruitless to harp on with that as things are in the current climate.
I would like to point out that the Cruiser Belgrano was justly attacked as she was in open waters and a threat to our task force. Sad as it is, because many men died, it must be understood that the Belgrano was a war ship and was as much a target for the British as any of our ships were to the Argentines. The 'eclusion zone' was established by the British to keep civilian sea and air traffic and other nations military out of a very dangerous war zone. The direction that the Belgrano was steaming when she was sunk is not an issue as a legitimate target. Ships can turn about and attack as well as steam away. Best wishes all.
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