Wednesday, May 23rd 2012 - 19:11 UTC

Gibraltar and Spanish town agree on cross-border group to help sort out fishing dispute

Gibraltar Chief Minister Fabian Picardo and Spanish town La Linea Mayor Gemma Araujo agreed the creation of a cross-border joint working group that will be examining all aspects of the fishing dispute with Spain.

La Linea mayor Gemma Araujo arrives at Convent House in Gibraltar (Photo Gibraltar Chronicle)

The meeting in Gibraltar was attended by the La Linea fishermen representatives who also subscribed the terms of the agreement.

At a packed press conference in Convent Place (Gib Government House) Tuesday night, it also emerged that a commission of independent experts will be set up to advice and report to the Gibraltar Government within a period of 60 days with its findings.

The commission is expected to initiate its work immediately as soon as the experts are appointed. There will be an equal number of representatives from both sides of the frontier although their names are not yet in the public domain.

The La Linea fishermen have in the meantime agreed not to carry out any defiance or breach of the laws of Gibraltar “currently in force.”

Both sides have also vowed to achieve greater understanding of each other’s positions and “to seek to identify situations that might enable all parties’ objectives to be met.”

The Algeciras Union of Fishermen did not attend the meeting, although an open invitation has been made to them.

Speaking to the Gibraltar Chronicle, Mr Picardo expressed confidence that they had “let down those who would like to see us once again, fail in our attempts to reach understanding with the Spanish fishermen, in a way that is designed to deliver dialogue, cooperation and friendship.”

He said that they had managed to bridge “that hair’s breadth” that there was between agreement and disagreement to go forward to structure a future in relations between Gibraltar and La Linea and hopefully also Algeciras, “which will be positive and not negative as there has been serious attempts to ensure was the case negatively in the past week.”

Asked whether this agreement would secure peace in the bay, Mr Picardo said that this agreement was not designed to keep the peace, but to create “an opportunity for understanding and for the relationship to be positive.”

“Keeping the peace is a consequence of that, it is not an aim,” he declared.

He reiterated the position of the Gibraltar Government that the law of Gibraltar “must be upheld” and that breaches of the law “cannot be condoned or tolerated at any distance from the shore.”

Mr Picardo noted that there is not a complete ban on fishing in Gibraltar waters and that the Spanish vessels could continue to do so as long as they used lawful fishing methods which exclude all forms of nets.

As regards the work of the commission of experts, Mr Picardo stated that they will be reporting their conclusions to the Gibraltar Government “which will then have to determine what it does with those conclusions.”

He said that the Government has already started a process of consultation to update the 1991 Nature Protection Act, with local fishermen and submariners, and that now he would seek the views of the La Linea and Algeciras fishermen “in respect of some of the points of the Act.”

Mr Picardo said the Act is a 20 year law which has to be kept under constant revision.

The Chief Minister also highlighted the mediation carried out by the Mayor of La Linea Gemma Araujo and the “positive atmosphere” that had underlined their meeting.

Mrs. Araujo stressed the importance of “dialogue and consensus” and the efforts to identify common ground to ensure “coexistence between Gibraltar and La Linea.”

She praised the good disposition of all sides to “re-channel the situation away from the media ‘storm’” for a constructive purpose.
 

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1 Max (#) May 23rd, 2012 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
What are the English doing there(Gibraltar) ?....

counting the passing ships ?

taxing the passing ships ?

some eccentric/politic/wanted refugees hiding ?
2 stick up your junta (#) May 23rd, 2012 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
@1 Maybe doing the same as the Spanish in Africa

Melilla (Spanish pronunciation: [meˈliʎa]) is a 12.3 square kilometres (4.7 sq mi) autonomous city of Spain and an exclave on the north coast of Morocco. Melilla, along with the Spanish exclave Ceuta, is one of the two Spanish territories located in mainland Africa
3 Stendec (#) May 23rd, 2012 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
@1 - Max

I've read quite a few of your posts and I fail to comprehend what points you are trying to make. You seem to just string random words together which seem to be vaguely anti-British.

I'm Gibraltarian. Do you know anything about Gibraltar or our history? Do you know what the Treaty of Utrecht is?

Thought not - so shut up.
4 Max (#) May 23rd, 2012 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
& 2

I don^t defend Spaniards !



& 3

I am an actual man not history curious
I do want to learn that why is Gibraltar so important for English !
5 briton (#) May 23rd, 2012 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
its the gateway to the med,
that might help.
and spain is just trying to do another CFK ,
they all persieve the brits as weak,

but suprise suprise,
whos going to find out first,
6 Conqueror (#) May 23rd, 2012 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
@4 See whether you can understand this. YOU ARE A PRICK! NOW SOD OFF!
@1 If you REALLY want to know, Gibraltar was ceded, by Spain, to Britain, IN PERPETUITY. If you have trouble with that word, it means FOREVER. Spanish cocksuckers, similar to argie cocksuckers, like to say that the treaty that agreed this, the Treaty of Utrecht, doesn't mention Gibraltar territorial waters, so they don't exist. However, the same treaty doesn't mention Spanish territorial waters either, so they don't exist. Thereby proving that the Spanish, Latins, argies are complete brainless. Let's do the world a favour. Destruction.
7 Max (#) May 23rd, 2012 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
& 5

your opinion is not convincing for me ............

more strategic please !

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& 6

the unruly conquerror

Gibraltar was ceded,by Spain to Britain in perpetuity.........

don^t laugh me .........

can you bring any documents proves your opinion.?
8 LEPRecon (#) May 23rd, 2012 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
@7 - Max you really are thick aren't you? Conquerer already gave you the proof. The Treaty of Utrecht.

“The Catholic King does hereby, for himself, his heirs and successors, yield to the Crown of Great Britain the full and entire propriety of the town and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications, and forts thereunto belonging; and he gives up the said propriety to be held and enjoyed absolutely with all manner of right for ever, without any exception or impediment whatsoever.”

This treaty was signed on 13 July 1713. So the Spanish signed away Gibraltar to the British Crown FOR EVER. Trying to take it back would be illegal. But these days the people of Gibraltar have the right to self determination. And they want to remain British, not become part of Spain.

Just like the Falklands really. In 1850, Argentina recognised Britains Soveignty over the Falklands. So legally they are British. And these days the people of the Falklands have the right to self determination, and choose to be British.

Any way you look at it Spain and Argentina have no legal, historic or moral rights to dictate how the people of these BOTs live or who they decide to pledge their allegiance to.
9 Stendec (#) May 23rd, 2012 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
Ive got family who live in the Campo and to be fair we get along with La Linea - plenty of Lineses work in Gib. It's good to see some co-operation between their council and our Gov on the fishing issue, especially since the national gov walked away from the tripartite agreement. Hopefully we can work together on other issues too.
10 Max (#) May 23rd, 2012 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
& 8

Treaty of Utrecht was signed basically between France / Britain in 1713

As you know France saw a Revolution and Napoleon Bonaparte period
so the treaty could not be valid for France Republics ..then this treaty is invalid .
11 Stendec (#) May 23rd, 2012 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
@10. The treaty was signed on behalf of the Spanish by Philip V of Spain you utter tool.

Keep up the good work!
12 soberanista (#) May 24th, 2012 - 12:45 am Report abuse
If Utretch is invalid, give back Gibraltar. If Utretch is valid, give back the isthmus and stop messing in the waters. Much like Guantanamo. Utrecht ceded a fortress and port without any territorial jurisdiction (literally), be it land or sea. Face it.
13 KFC de Pollo (#) May 24th, 2012 - 01:50 am Report abuse
The only complaint Spain has is over a small strip of land.
14 Stendec (#) May 24th, 2012 - 04:52 am Report abuse
@12 - I disagree - the Treaty states “ ...and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications, and forts thereunto belonging”. Along the line of the current frontier there were two forts called El Molino & Torre del Diablo. These fall into the terms of the treaty, therefore the isthmus is Gibraltarian.
15 Boovis (#) May 24th, 2012 - 06:29 am Report abuse
Spain gave up the rights to this piece of land by signing a treaty which has never been invalidated and now they're complaining they want the land for themselves.. hmm.. sounding so familiar...
16 cLOHO (#) May 24th, 2012 - 06:45 am Report abuse
Not more evidence needed than a signed treaty really.

Is spain going to give its african enclaves back??? and France the colony in south America????
17 Stendec (#) May 24th, 2012 - 07:06 am Report abuse
@16 - what soberanista is talking about is the land between the old town and the frontier - the Spanish (wrongly) interprete the treaty as only ceding the city. They just want our Morrissons supermarket!
18 cLOHO (#) May 24th, 2012 - 07:18 am Report abuse
haha I love Morrisons they will never take our Meat Counter!!!

Just noticed that Spain have a colony in western sahara, its pretty big. Funny how its only spain or former spanish colonies that seem to whine and grasp at land when infact they still hold territory in Africa!!
As bad as the RG's wanting to colonise Falklands and South Georgia + antarctic.
19 Idlehands (#) May 24th, 2012 - 11:57 am Report abuse
Anyone remember the Spanish reaction when a couple of cadets camped out on Parsley Island a few years back?
20 briton (#) May 24th, 2012 - 01:15 pm Report abuse
its seems to the educated,
that these things were signed , to be obeyed,

in the 21st cetury,
the un,educated, it seems wants to destroy and tear up all agreements that it dislikes,
just to get what it wants .

and the clock turns backwards .
21 Stendec (#) May 24th, 2012 - 02:38 pm Report abuse
The point to the treaty was to prevent further wars and bloodshed between the three main parties in the Wars of the Spanish Succession. If the Spanish want to tear up the treaty then they would no doubt claim Holland and Belgium back and King Juan Carlos would be claiming the throne of France!

Europe would look a different place had the Treaty of Utrecht not been signed, and honoured, over the centuries, which just makes Spain's position on Gibraltar look absurd.
22 Conqueror (#) May 24th, 2012 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
@10 The “Treaty of Utrecht” comprises a SERIES of individual peace treaties, rather than a single document, signed by the belligerents in the War of the Spanish Succession. The War of the Spanish Succession was fought on one side by an alliance of the Spanish loyal to Archduke Charles, the Holy Roman Empire, Great Britain (England until 1707), the Dutch Republic, Portugal and the Duchy of Savoy. On the “other” side was the Spanish loyal to Philip V, France and the Electorate of Bavaria. The treaties were concluded between the representatives of Louis XIV of France and Philip V of Spain on the one hand, and representatives of Anne, Queen of Great Britain, the Duke of Savoy, the King of Portugal and the United Provinces (Dutch Republic) on the other. That's your history lesson. Now keep up.
@12 Who rattled your cage? Do I understand your point about “the waters”? Of course I do. Typical Latin obfuscation. The Treaty doesn't mention “territorial waters” says Spain. “So Gibraltar doesn't have any territorial waters”. The Treaty doesn't mention “territorial waters” says I. So Spain doesn't have any territorial waters. But then the concept of “territorial waters” wasn't internationally accepted until the late 18th century. So Gibraltar got territorial waters when Spain did. A fact recently tacitly accepted by the Spanish. In a recent “incident” a Royal Navy vessel ordered a Spanish Guardia Civil vessel to leave British Gibraltar Territorial Waters for being in breach of Article 19 of UNCLOS. The Spanish vessel left.
@21 Spain's position on Gibraltar IS absurd. And then we have the argies position on the Falklands. At least the Spanish haven't descended to the asinine level of calling the peninsula by another name (yet)!
23 Brit Bob (#) May 24th, 2012 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
10

If you are saying that the treaty of Utrecht cannot be valid because of a regime change i.e. France becoming a Republic, this would mean that a lot of treaties in the World would be invalid. This is obviously not the case and a poor argument.
24 skåre (#) May 25th, 2012 - 11:46 am Report abuse
Talking like adults. Unfortunately not something that forms a part of the cowardly warmongering Argentinian national psyche
25 aussie sunshine (#) May 25th, 2012 - 12:09 pm Report abuse
Rip up the treaty of Ultrecht now!! and tell the Gibraltans that the game is over...No English colonies wanted in Modern Europe!! It is pathetic and embarrassing for The Brits and Europeans. GIVE GIBRALTAR BACK TO SPAIN NOW!!
26 briton (#) May 25th, 2012 - 12:29 pm Report abuse
25
go back to sleep
27 aussie sunshine (#) May 25th, 2012 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
N0 26

maybe you should wake up!! cause the only one asleep IS YOU::
28 briton (#) May 25th, 2012 - 01:07 pm Report abuse
a troll
thats all you are,
no loyalty just a troll.
29 skåre (#) May 25th, 2012 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
aussie sunshine

1) it isn't a colony
2) it isn't English
3) the vast majority of the population of Gibraltar are of Spanish descent, so even the desperately hackneyed arguments employed by the Argentinians to argue that self-determination does not apply in the Falklands don't fly with Gibraltar
4) ripping up the Treaty of Utrecht doesn't change international law .. which says that Gibraltar is British
5) whatever else you say will probably be wrong too
6) yes you are a troll
30 aussie sunshine (#) May 25th, 2012 - 10:43 pm Report abuse
No English Colony in a European Member State!!
Give Gibraltar back to Spain!!
Shame on Britain!! Bloody disgrace.....
31 skåre (#) May 26th, 2012 - 07:31 am Report abuse
Tell you what - give Australia to the Spanish. It is all the hole is good for and the two dumps will make a perfect couple.
32 lsolde (#) May 26th, 2012 - 10:46 am Report abuse
@30 argentine sunshine,
You again! Thought we'd so embarrassed you with your lack of Australian knowledge, that you'd picked another nom-de-plume.
You are a bloody disgrace mate.
Do you still come from Melbourne or have you changed cities now?
You couldn't answer anything correctly about Melbourne, so maybe you've emigrated.
Waiting to hear from you, cobber.
33 briton (#) May 26th, 2012 - 05:58 pm Report abuse
32 lsolde
he is a kangerooo in sheeps clothing .

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