Wednesday, May 30th 2012 - 05:23 UTC

“Disturbing” Falklands-style tendencies with Gibraltar claim European MPs

Escalation in the long-running dispute between Britain and Spain over ownership of Gibraltar shows “disturbing” Falklands-style tendencies. The warning comes from one of the Rock's MEPs after a stand-off between Gibraltar and Spanish police patrol boats over fishing rights.

Conservative MEP Julie Girling: the Spanish are not being reasonable in their actions

Conservative MEP Julie Girling said: “What we don't want in Gibraltar is a situation like the Falklands: there seem to be disturbing parallels in attempts to damage the livelihoods of Gibraltar's fishermen” and added “the Spanish are not being reasonable in their actions.”

Gibraltar police vessels and supported by the Royal Navy intercepted a Spanish trawler fishing off the Rock on Monday. But the trawler was being shadowed by two Spanish police boats and finally left Gibraltar's fishing grounds without incident.

There were similar stand-offs last week and the issue was raised in London on Tuesday at talks between foreign secretary William Hague and his Spanish counterpart, Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo.

Mr Hague said later in a statement: “We reiterated our joint support for a local solution to the current fishing dispute in Gibraltar.

”Clearly our views on this differ, but we both recognize the importance of establishing a dialogue between all parties. I look forward to working closely with the minister in the future.“

The Foreign secretary said that London and Madrid maintained ”a strong bilateral relationship“, adding: ”We spoke about the challenges faced by the Euro zone and the critical need for the EU to agree measures to deal with the economic crisis and encourage growth.

“We also discussed wider foreign policy issues including co-operation on Syria, Iran and Latin America.”

But all high-level dealings between London and Madrid have been overshadowed by Gibraltar. Repeated challenges to British sovereignty have been rebuffed by Gibraltar's residents, who rejected the idea of Spanish rule in referendums in 1967 and 2002.

The current Spanish government under Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy stepped up pressure earlier this year in talks with David Cameron during which he demanded Gibraltar back, an invitation the British prime minister declined.

Queen Sofia of Spain then took Mr Rajoy's advice earlier this month and declined an invitation to Windsor Castle to attend a lunch to celebrate the Queen's Diamond Jubilee.

El Pais newspaper in Spain said the snub was in response to a forthcoming trip to Gibraltar by Prince Edward.

Giles Chichester, another Tory MEP whose South West euro-constituency includes Gibraltar, commented: “Gibraltar is under British rule and that is how it will stay for the foreseeable future. The Spanish are being irrational and need to get a grip. What happens in Gibraltar, frankly, is not the responsibility of the Spanish”.

Fellow Tory MEP for Gibraltar Ashley Fox said he had written to the European Commission to condemn “this latest act of provocation” by Spain.

”This is simply another case of the Spanish government trying to divert public attention away from the problems with their economy. The Spanish need to accept that Gibraltar is allowed to govern its own waters.
 

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1 shb (#) May 30th, 2012 - 06:00 am Report abuse
Spain has its' own colonial enclaves in North Africa. If they want to press us on this issue we should remind them very loudly of the hypocrisy of their position.

Then we should start to openly support the Morrocans in their claim for the return of Ceuta, Melila and the other ouposts of Spain in North Africa.

Follow that up with getting the british to boycott Spain as a holiday destination (I never go there myself-I won't support people who are not our friends) and then tell them to forget having any bailouts for their imploding economy.

Go away and be poor spain.
2 STRATEGICUS (#) May 30th, 2012 - 06:21 am Report abuse
I have been reading posts in El Pais and El Mundo and as well as 'English pirates' making an appearance there are also some readers pointing out the hypocrisy of Spain holding Ceuta and Melila while claiming Gibraltar. At the end of it 'self determination' should be the trump card in this day and age.
The Spanish fishermen seem split largely according to whichever political party runs Algeciras and La Linea. I think Senor Rajoy's
'get tough on Gibraltar' policy is backfiring.
Spain needs all the friends it can find at the moment.
3 cLOHO (#) May 30th, 2012 - 07:11 am Report abuse
2- Not a trump card but a right, if the peoples of Ceuta & Western Sahara wish to remain Spanish so be it. But the same right is accorded to the Gibraltarians and Falkland Islanders.
4 Idlehands (#) May 30th, 2012 - 08:22 am Report abuse
Let's face it - residents of Ceuta and Melila are not going to want to leave the EU and become Morrocans.
5 Ozgood (#) May 30th, 2012 - 08:39 am Report abuse
Very interesting, but was not Gibraltar given to Britain at the end of the War of the Spanish Succession (Treaty of Utrecht 1713)?

Can you blame the Spaniards for wanting back a small piece of the Iberian Peninsula? On the other hand you can think what might have been had the Fascist Franco government had control of Gibraltar during World War 2?

History is full of ifs and buts.

I await your comments, if any!
6 Idlehands (#) May 30th, 2012 - 09:27 am Report abuse
All these land claims in the era of self determination are daft. Both Argentina and Spain need to learn the lesson that if you piss people off they are unlikely to want to accede to your demands. It seems a simple lesson to me but they just don't seem to want to learn it.

The other problem with territotial claims is that claimants tend to only want to go back in history far enough to the point where the territory belongs to them. It could be argued that half of Spain belongs to Morrocco.

Nations need to get over it. France doesn't fret about the Channel Islands and the UK doesn't fret about the Isle of Man. It is what it is.
7 Martin Woodhead (#) May 30th, 2012 - 09:49 am Report abuse
Actually the faroes or ireland would be a better idea
8 Malvinero1 (#) May 30th, 2012 - 11:18 am Report abuse
Treaty of Utrecht 1713)?
Also uk renounce to MAlvinas at Utrech....
9 ptolemy (#) May 30th, 2012 - 11:26 am Report abuse
@5
Seems to be the fad these days. Governments want to turn back the clock to better times. Look at a map of the world in 1713 (or 1833.) It becomes ridiculous at some point. How far should we go back to address political (or vindictive,) grievances?
10 Conqueror (#) May 30th, 2012 - 11:49 am Report abuse
@4 Then the Spanish in Moroccan territory should do what their argie cousins always advise. And go home.
@5 The “answer” is quite simple. What do the people of Gibraltar want? On more than one occasion, they have indicated their wish to remain British. And, noting Spain's crashing “economy” that is clearly in their interest. Bit of a no-brainer really. And I wonder how many areas of Spain also wish they were British?
@8 Another dozy Melvin comment. Come on, child. Show us the clause where the UK said it renounced its claim to the Falkland Islands. I expect we'll hear from you when you've faked one up!
@9 It's only a fad for some “people”. But, if you check it out, you'll find that when the Spanish ceded Gibraltar, they also ceded Minorca. So how about Spain gives us that back?
11 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) May 30th, 2012 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
@8 Malvinero1 (#) May 30th, 2012 - 11:18 am

You were there taking the minutes of the meeting were you? I reckon it is far more likely that you just made it up.
12 Alexei (#) May 30th, 2012 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
Sadly I wouldn't be surprised if some nationalist Spaniards might be communicating with their Argentine 'hermanos' who must possess equally brittle egos and tiny appendages, sharing tips on how to best annoy 'gringo'. You fought for it, you lost it, get over it.
13 Ann Other (#) May 30th, 2012 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
It raises an interesting paradox - Spain says that Gibraltar does not have any territorial waters. How strange that the ONLY place to fish around the Iberian peninsular is adjacent to Gibraltar. The Spanish fishermen want to fish in Gibraltar waters because they can't fish in the waters off Algeciras because the nets they use are illegal under Spanish law. So the GC are protecting them in one place and at the same time arresting other fishermen near Marbella for doing the same thing as they are encouraging off Gibraltar. Surely this has nothing to do with the economy and the need for a distracting issue ...
14 briton (#) May 30th, 2012 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
perhaps 60 years of peace, has been to long,
it seems everybody is trying to take the piss out of the brits, because we are seen as weak, and the british goverment does very little to diswade from this, mostly being quiet,

[you can insult all you want]
just make sure you dont play the victim, when the time comes,
15 Condorito (#) May 30th, 2012 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
Why has the US never had an issue with Bermuda?
Do they not feel threatened by a tiny island off their cost?
16 briton (#) May 30th, 2012 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
perhaps their secret weapon
the burmuda triangle, scares them of lolol
17 aussie sunshine (#) May 30th, 2012 - 11:04 pm Report abuse
It took Spain 800 years to kick out the Moors from Spain. The Brits have been 300 in Gibraltar..there time will come, too.
Spain has patience......
18 briton (#) May 30th, 2012 - 11:15 pm Report abuse
17 aussie sunshine (
It took Argentina less that 50 years to kick out aussie sunshine from Argentina The other argie immigrants have been less that 50 in Australia ...there time will come, too.
Australia has patience
.
19 aussie sunshine (#) May 30th, 2012 - 11:19 pm Report abuse
18 man!! you come right out of a comic book!! LOL
20 briton (#) May 30th, 2012 - 11:22 pm Report abuse
Beano springs to mind,

Dennis the menace .lol.
21 Ozgood (#) May 31st, 2012 - 04:18 am Report abuse
Can you blame King Juan Carlos for wanting back a bit of his territory?
22 KFC de Pollo (#) May 31st, 2012 - 05:05 am Report abuse
@21 yes as its not his territory...
23 Ann Other (#) May 31st, 2012 - 09:19 am Report abuse
@aussie sunshine : I wonder how long it will take the Catalans, Galicians, and the Euskarans to kick the Spanish out. Judging from their booing at the Spanish National Anthem at football matches, not long. Gibraltar will be British in perpetuity, and thats a long long time.
24 aussie sunshine (#) May 31st, 2012 - 11:23 am Report abuse
23 The Catalans have always been like that...now they want the Spanish government to pay their deficit. The Galicians have always been very nationalists ( Franco was a Galician and so is the current Prime Minister Rajoy) This separatists are a minority. Scotland and Northern Ireland is the same in the UK only, a minority. Independence is fairly hard to achieve at least in Spain.
25 Ozgood (#) May 31st, 2012 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
Neither Scotland, The Basque Region, Catalonia etc will be able to survive independently unless they get Goldman Sachs to cook their books as well.

Franco was pro-nazi and Hitler said that a visit to him was like going to the dentist. King Juan Carlos is a democrat and stopped Spain reverting to a fascist type monarchy in 1981 - remember when the police colonel burst into the Cortes and fired into the ceiling!
26 Condorito (#) May 31st, 2012 - 01:31 pm Report abuse
Did you know the romans call the Scots and the Basques, “Picts”. Just a point of interest.
27 Ozgood (#) May 31st, 2012 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
Thanks Condorito - I knew about the Picts and Hadrian's wall.

What I did not know was that the Basques were also called Picts

Incidentally I am great fan of yours and read all about your adventures in the Chilean Comic strip - gradually I am becoming familiar with Chileanismos. I have close family across the border in Argentina.
28 Condorito (#) May 31st, 2012 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
They are good aren't they. I have a cousin who has every single one, right from the first issue.
29 lsolde (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 11:35 am Report abuse
@24 argentine sunshine,
You seem to know a lot about Spanish & Argentine affairs but very little about Australia.
Of course, silly me. You're not from Australia, are you?
Have you “remembered” the name of that hot Melbourne wind yet? lol.
Go on! Have a go. You might just guess it.
30 aussie sunshine (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:36 pm Report abuse
I am an EDUCATED man and educated man knows the affairs of many countries except the name of the hot winds in my home town Melbourne.LOL LOL
31 lsolde (#) Jun 02nd, 2012 - 10:00 am Report abuse
@30 argentine sunshine,
Where did you go to highschool in Melbourne?
l finished 6 years at Corryong High School in Victoria's north-east.
Can you make just a little guess as to the name of the wind?
Just for me, then l would know that you're genuine. ha!
What footy team did you barrick for?
Mine was Collingwood. the Magpies.

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