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Confirmed: Cristina Fernandez will attend C24 meeting on Falklands next June 14

Thursday, May 31st 2012 - 06:01 UTC
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President Cristina Fernandez will be attending next June 14 the UN Decolonization meeting in New York where she is expected to make a strong case for Argentina’s claim over the disputed Falklands/Malvinas Islands. Read full article

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  • tobias

    I think this thread needs some humiliating derogation of argentine dead soldiers, as spineless, cowards, and as people who talked too much and did too little, that ran and hid (and somehow got killed). Since this is more “talk” by Argentina... I think it makes sense to restate what all the non-argies here endorsed in the Bolivian thread, that the argentine servicemen that died were spineless, simply because they were argie.

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    Tobias

    I didn't see any such insults being levelled at Argentine war dead. You're losing it. First you go on and on pointlessly about pedophilia. I ask Mercopress to remove a post of yours- and they did- in which you intimate that Falkland Islanders have sex with sheep, and then you go crazy and start imagining that we've all been disrespecting Argentine war dead. Stop acting like a spoilt school boy who isn't getting his way.

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    “President Cristina Fernandez demands that the UK comply with UN Resolution 2065”

    Eeerrrmmm, back in 1982, wasn't UN Resolution 501 passed calling for the uncondisional withdraw of Argentine forces from the Falkland Islands???

    Did the Argentines comply with that?

    You've got a snowballs chance in hell of the UK complying with 2065 love..........

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @2

    You know I had forgotten about the sheep comment, OK my apologies about that if that was the reason my post was removed.

    But my statement stand. The comments clearly and univocally state “hispanics” (though I don't recognize such a group exists), are spineless cowards. It is a completely logical syllogism to conclude that extends to any war dead of that so-called ethnicity.

    I never thought you people would level such humiliating abuse. That crossed a line of no return in my book. No respect for any of you. Anyway...

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Boovis

    The General Assembly will call for a peaceful outcome, Argentina will say that means they support them, the UK and the islanders will both laugh at them and say get lost, this will drag on. Argentina has to admit they're getting nowhere with this.

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @5

    Well, we are gaining the lack of relations with the UK. Which is never a bad thing. hehe

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Boovis

    The UK has done basically nothing to cut relations with Argentina, Argentina however has been trying to stop business with the UK and block shipping and spread lies about them. So, any cut in ties is down to Argentina, not the UK.

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    Tobias

    I don't agree that there is a general level of abuse of Argentine war dead. I'm not denying the odd idiot like Conquerer does it but in any statistical trend analysis he would be discounted as an anomaly, the same as the likes of Aussie Sunshine would be on the Argentine side of the debate.

    The comment that seemed to get you most upset was the one I posted when I said that Beef best summed up the story of Bolivia giving its support to Argentina. Go back and look at Beef's comment and explain to me how it was insulting to Argentine war dead. Beef has already challenged you on this but you didn't respond.

    By the way. I am in London on business; hence my early morning posting. Where are you? You're either up very late or very early or you're not in Argentina. I fly back south on Wednesday.

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    All good ideas indeed. I used to be more pragmatic about things but I have discovered how arrogant, supercilious, and patronizing Europeans can be, of all countries, so at this point I say I don't want anything to do with any of you.

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    I'm guessing it is mainly Mercopress posts that has done this to you. You have to realise that a lot of the posters on here on both sides are extremists and you shouldn't start believing that they are representative of the peoples in general from both sides of the debate.

    Nobody with an ounce of decency would disrespect the war dead from any nation and the people from Europe are no different.

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Why do people focus so much on time of posting? Who cares? Do I really have any obligation to explain why I am up so late at night? None of anyone's business. I'm young, young people sometimes do all-nighters. We survive well.

    I never posted at this time before... And my posting at this time is no indication of anything, except that perhaps I could be doing something else to be up so late.

    Europeans are cocky, and I think this economic crisis has a numinous patina, as if sent to make them reflect. But most seem unreconstructed.

    May 31st, 2012 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    Tobias

    Stop being so defensive; I was only curious. Also, stop being so racist (“Europeans are so cocky”).

    May 31st, 2012 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Oh please, how many times a day do I hear us argies are spineless, recreants, venal, uneducated, dunce, dumb, genocidal, deracinators, nazis, fascists, communists, women beaters, child beaters, incestuous (just was told that 5 minutes ago)?

    This is why I have no respect for anyone anymore. You all evince quite selective outrage, yet display a classic case of Tu Quoque.

    May 31st, 2012 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stop It

    Friends islanders and british ,the music have not borders ,enjoy it friends!
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGatAOnIi5w
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=utQyob-cxpU

    May 31st, 2012 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    Tobias

    I have no idea what some of those words even mean. You seem to think you have some sort of edge over those of us with only average vocabulary through your love of words. How unimpressive! I'm just an engineer and a simple businessman; go try to impress some of your college buddies. We always keep a couple of good translators (they're a dime a dozen compared to our company's cores disciplines) on our staff though so if times ever get tough for you let me know.

    Well my car is about to arrive. Time to go and deliver for my boss. She rewards me well but understandably has high expectations. Show time!

    May 31st, 2012 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • expbrit

    Does this mean that all Spanish, Italian, French and German colonists will be leaving the South American continent?

    May 31st, 2012 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Boovis

    16: I hope so, that'd leave just the Welsh who can claim Patagonia for Cymru!!

    May 31st, 2012 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    I thought the Argentine Invasion of the Falkland Islands in 1982 was contrary to 2065? Therefore 2065 is irrelevent. Finished. Dead. By unwarranted Argentine aggression.
    However any talks would be short:
    KFC: We are here to discuss our sovereignity of the Malvinas. According to our constitution, it's ours.
    HMG: They are not the Malvinas, they are called the Falkland Islands, on the Falkland Islands. According to the UN principles of self-determination applying to Dependent Overseas Territories, encouraging the handing over of more self-governing powers, and the inconvinience of recorded history, it's not yours, it belongs to the inhabitants.
    KFC: We will go to the UN to get you to negotiate (again).
    HMG: Whatever.

    May 31st, 2012 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Room101

    Self-determination- or none of us are free. Americans remember the fight for your Constitution...None of the South American States have that.

    May 31st, 2012 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    I'm starting to wonder if “Tobias” is a username used by a group of posters rather than one individual.

    Sometimes he has been rational and other times seems to be having a breakdown live on the internet.

    May 31st, 2012 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Looking forward to it =) Go go Cristina =)

    May 31st, 2012 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    17 Boovis
    Ahh, the land of my fathers...

    May 31st, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    Joe
    Tobias has a point, the vast majority of those here defending your arguments are abusive, rude and tends to have discussions at primary school level.
    If you are to have a go at Tobias for doing the same, maybe you (posters) should have a go at eachother first.
    Can't shout loud when someone abuses your flag and country and at the same time keep quiet when other people abuses hers/his, defending your views. That's hypocrasy and double morals.

    May 31st, 2012 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • War Monkey

    @2 Joe Bloggs (#)
    May 31st, 2012 - 06:26 am

    Joe you know Malvinista logic as well as anybody here. They do not see what is there, they see only what they want. Their arguments are based on their fevered imagination and arrogant bluster. This is why you read their posts and find them utterly irrelevant to the actual discussion.

    May 31st, 2012 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    Pity she's going to the wrong Committee. The C24 is merely a sub-sub-Committee. It'sthe Fourth Committee that she should be talking to, but then, they haven't been listening since 1988.

    May 31st, 2012 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brit abroad

    Tobias u stay on these posts late because u have very few friends, and probably planning to whack one off over KFC, the thought of which has just made me gag!

    May 31st, 2012 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steve-32-uk

    Resolution 2065 (XX)
    Question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
    16 December 1965

    The General Assembly,

    Having examined the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas),

    Taking into account the chapters of the reports of the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples relating to the Falkland Islands (Malvinas), and in particular the conclusions and recommendations adopted by the Committee with reference to that Territory,

    Considering that its resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 was prompted by the cherished aim of bringing to an end everywhere colonialism in all its forms, one of which covers the case of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas),

    Noting the existence of a dispute between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over the said Islands,

    1. Invites the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem, bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas);

    2. Requests the two Governments to report to the Special Committee and to the General Assembly at its twenty-first session on the results of the negotiations.

    May 31st, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    brit abroad
    Don't project your insecurities and compulsive behaviour on others, nobody cares how many friends you have, nor whom you “whack off” over...

    May 31st, 2012 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steve-32-uk

    @27

    What does CFK think is going to happen? why is she going?

    Keep in mind UN resolution 2065 wants an independent FI, and the C24's job is to recommend on this, they are not an ICJ and have no powers.
    Also if Argentina annexed the FI against the peoples wishes, the FI would then be a colony, which is the against the very purpose of the C24 and decolonization!

    Am I missing something, I'm confused?

    May 31st, 2012 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jedi389

    CFK will rant on for two or three hours about Las Islas Malvinas - how we are robbing them of their natural resources... militarising the South Atlantic... all that Argentina want is peace.. probably roll out Mr Penn, Morrisey and her ace in the hole James Peck ... Also refer to the removal of the Argentine/ Spanish inhabitants (or should I say military force) in 1833... blah, blah, blah... weep, weep, weep...

    The C24 will say that we need to sit down and talk - well the UK & Argentina do.. as we have no rights.. especially as the head of the C24 or at least a delegation refuse to visit the Falklands, and we are not recognised by Argentina (why should the usurper pirates be before anyone add that).

    About time we went to the ICJ, however Argentina of course would not do this as they would be required to acknowledge our existence/rights.. or of my 09th generation Falkland Islands born children..

    May 31st, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Boovis

    I wrote an email to the Argentine embassy in london asking why they kept claiming the people were thrown out he islands when there's well documented evidence to show it didn't happen. They are yet to respond...

    May 31st, 2012 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RedBaron

    If Tobias has so little regard for the comments of the Pro Falkland posters and if he disagrees so violently with the expressed views, why does he continue to read them and participate in a forum for which he clearly has such low regard?
    The debate will continue on a much higher level without his comments and insults.

    In answer to the article and KFC's posturing, the simple answer is that, if resolution 2065 were to be acted upon, the Argies would have to drop the Mavinas nonsense from their constitution first and an acceptance that self-determination is a right of residents according to UN principles.
    There can be no dialogue and no negotiation when one party can only accept a pre-set outcome.

    May 31st, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    Resolution 2065 is DEAD. Murdered. Stabbed in the back in 1982. A DEAD Resolution - 6 feet under, pushing up the daisy's

    May 31st, 2012 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @8 You're going to need to do better than that. I can't actually recall any comment I've ever made denigrating war dead. Wishing there could have been more of them on the argie side is not the same thing. Simply a recognition that 649 was not enough to persuade the argies to go away and stay away. Nor is wishing the argie remains off the Islands denigratory. CFK is on record as saying that, with the argie war dead there, part of the Falklands is argentine and supports the argie claim. Do we (Britain) go around the world pointing at all the British war cemetaries and insisting they give us a right to the countries in which they exist? Nor do I trust argies at all. In 1982 they went for a sneak, underhand invasion. They've lied continuously ever since. They lied about where the Belgrano was and what it was doing. They've lied about British forces both during and after the war. They lie about their “claim”. Despite their signature to, and ratification of, the UN Charter, they don't abide by it except when it suits them. They are known to have landed, covertly, on the Islands since the war. Just as they had a covert naval base on the British territory of Thule Island before the war. I don't even believe all these constant argie visitors to the Islands are “families”. I think a lot of them are “agents” up to no good.
    @9 That is good to hear. Just remember that if “you” go anywhere near the Falkland Islands, “you” will have to have something to do with “Europeans”. And by “European” I mean their ancestry as much as argies see “European” Spanish, German and Italian ancestry.
    @18 Look it up. All UNGA resolutions are NON-BINDING. Argies seem to think they have the force of law. They don't!
    @23 It would be nice if anything you ever said regarding the Falklands included any truth. It doesn't. You merely put forward your bigoted, blinkered, isolationist, mendacious views.
    @27 & 29 Stop quoting irrelevancies.

    May 31st, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Musky

    KFC attending the meeting! Best have her plane ready so she can leave the party early!

    May 31st, 2012 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    I have just been reading this pathetic exchange about name calling. Who cares if someone called Argentines spineless - who honestly cares. A country of 40,000,000, 500 miles away from my home wants to actively remove me from where I was born by trying to destroy my country's economy, by spreading lies around the world and by trying to eliminate my human rights.

    These 40,000,000 people call me and my fellow islanders, “pirates”, “colonialists”, “turnips” etc. etc., all because I was born in the Falklands and because I refuse to give my home away. Individuals of this country of 40,000,000 regularly call me at home to give me verbal abuse and they message me on the internet calling me a pirate, telling me to get out of “their” islands (Islands that they have never visited or intend to make their home).

    Grow up and get some perspective. The Islanders are fighting for their home and livelihoods, while we are abused and blockaded, and we are expected to be respectful to the very people who are disrespecting us? RUBBISH.

    If you can't handle the insults or our dislike of you, then give us a reason to be respectful to you.

    May 31st, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    M of FI
    I'm not going to enter an argument on your rights to the islands, take that with the Argentines.
    Feel free to dislike anyone of your choosing though, and also to insult. But if that's your choice, you better stop crying when you get insulted at. Because posters here are good at that, they insult and cry, insult and cry.
    I respect your opinion, but many people have one, and who says yours is the one that is right?

    May 31st, 2012 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    “I have just been reading this pathetic exchange about name calling. Who cares if someone called Argentines spineless - who honestly cares.”

    And you want me to care about calling you or Brits, or Spaniards, or the EU or Americans names?

    You guys are the gift that keep on giving... Poor Joe trying to convince me Europeans are not arrogant, aloof twats and we get quote gems like the above.

    High indignation when I call other nationalities names, but when the argies are... who cares?

    This is why I have changed my mind about most of you, from giving you the benefit of the doubt when I started posting here to loathsome antiphaty now.

    I'm supposed to be impressed by people here being engineers, travelling to Europe on the weekends, financial analyists, and travelling to Argentina as “part of their job” every 2 weeks (or so they claim?)... Why should I? lol

    May 31st, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “Tobias: I think this thread needs some humiliating derogation of argentine dead soldiers”

    Get over it. I've seen much more abuse coming from Argentinians on this issue. At least the majority of British posters are respectful towards the issue, Something you can not say about the majority of Argentinian posters here.

    ”Oh please, how many times a day do I hear us argies are spineless, recreants, venal, uneducated, dunce, dumb, genocidal, deracinators, nazis, fascists, communists, women beaters, child beaters, incestuous (just was told that 5 minutes ago)?“

    Oh please, How often do you heard British pirates, scum, warmongering, turnips. You hear the same stuff from both sides don't act like it's a one sided thing.

    Your GOVERNMENT even resorts to name calling, it's frankly embarrassing.

    ” arrogant, supercilious, and patronizing Europeans can be, of all countries, so at this point I say I don't want anything to do with any of you”

    Do you not even realize how supercilious this statement in it self is? Then although you want nothing to do with any of us, continue to post here and on this website.

    You're a constant contradiction. And then to mention Tu quoque, after all of that.

    I'd say troll, to be honest.

    May 31st, 2012 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Yes, yes, yes... I have not seen one argie make the comments you are ascribing. None, for example in this thread or the one where the argentine dead in the war were called spineless.

    May 31st, 2012 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “Yes, yes, yes... I have not seen one argie make the comments you are ascribing. None, for example in this thread or the one where the argentine dead in the war were called spineless.”

    You have not been here long enough.

    I've personally had certain Argentinians tell me how our troops are pathetic baby killing murders, Had others tell me that Argentina should build a nuclear weapon and use it on London. Had one tell me how he was personally going to gas millions of people in London.

    Did i take this as an accurate representation of the Argentinian people as a whole? No, because i'm not an idiot and i realize this is just probably a troubled eight year old little boy sitting on his pc after school.

    You aren't an idiot either, stop acting like one.

    May 31st, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    If you say so...

    I think I will just revert back to my verbiage. It really seems to get people piqued.

    May 31st, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    Guzz and Tobias. My post is not to seek validation for people insulting each other and I dont wish to seek permission or validation for myself to insult others. I dont play this insulting game. I am just trying create some sense of perceptive to this arguement about name calling.

    I find it far more insulting that a country of 40,000,000 is trying to destroy my home against my wishes and my fellow islanders wishes than being called a pirate, colonialist, or whatever Argentines want to call me.

    And in conclusion, my post was meant to basically say to Argentines, that if you want our respect you better give us (as in the islanders) respect.

    May 31st, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Amusing how foreigners from a selection of nations collectively belittle and derogate the denizens in Argentina, traducing and bemiring them with all forms of epithets and cognomens, such as benighted, uneducated, blighted, churlish, and recreant. Then they proceed to felicitate each other or reinforce any prior comment by a fellow cohort, comments usually laden with confabulations, fibs, and outright lies and calumnies, in order to enhance its purported factuality (proving how cognizant they are of the inaccuracies and opprobrium within many of their replies), thus acting like a veritable claque.

    They must also by such actions indirectly adduce that the use of such manifestly crass language furthers their implied or insinuated argument of how their nationality's citizenry are so much more literate, diplomatic, than the ignorant, troglodyte Argies.

    The quizzical aspect of this is, I would tend to concur with them on some topics of debate (the CFK government is haplessly brainless), but their slash-and-burn animadversions on all of us solely based on origin underwhelm individuals like me with the capacity to read with penetration and acumen between the lines.

    May 31st, 2012 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

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    May 31st, 2012 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    44 tobias (#)
    May 31st, 2012 - 02:36 pm

    Por fin a good post, I thought you'd gone round the bend with your rants about our war dead. Thank goodness you've recovered your sanity.

    May 31st, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Since people seem to conviniently ignore things, I will place them in there face:

    This is what yankeeboy just said“

    ”Lots of SAs think they are smart or rich or privileged in their own country but here they're just maids or gardeners.“

    ”I stick by that statement (all argentines are dumb and uneducated) but I said dumber not dimmer didn't I?“

    Fellow cohort in the claque Conqueror said:

    ”Argies are genocides. There can be no doubt about this. Argies have exterminated approximately 60 million Amerindians. Argies are complicit in exterminations in other “countries”. Argies even kill their own. Not that this should be held against them. It's natural for them.”

    Applauding yankeefool's comments: (RIGHT ON CUE AS I WROTE IN MY POST 44 HOW THE ANTI-ARGIES sycophanth fellow anti-argies comments to make them seem more factual)

    “They get as high as maids or gardeners?”

    You were saying, Zethee?

    You people are so predictable, within minutes of my post 44 they come and do the exact thing I accuse them of. LOL

    It's like being a scientist on litttle rodent animals knowing exactly their reactions to different stimuli.

    May 31st, 2012 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    ”Lots of SAs think they are smart or rich or privileged in their own country but here they're just maids or gardeners.“

    Again I stick by my statement.

    I have never met an RG rocket (actually any type of them) scientists here in the USA bartenders, strippers, waiters but not one rocket scientist yet. hahahaha

    May 31st, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    Jeez Tobi, are you a drama student by any chance? You've got histrionics down to a fine art. Go and listen to some whale music or snort some aromatherapy candles and chillax maaaan.

    May 31st, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @48

    So your casuistry of the day is this, using another example but based on your archetype intellection, and resplendent “deductive reasoning” which stems from it:

    I have never met an American who was a surgeon. Therefore, there are no Americans capable to be surgeons.

    That's the coruscate analysis and conclusion which has you feeling so intellectually achieving this morning.

    L
    O
    L
    .

    Boy, this is just way too easy.

    May 31st, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Furry-Fat-Feck

    @27 Steve-32-uk (#) May 31st, 2012 - 09:49 am

    ”Resolution 2065 (XX)
    Question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
    16 December 1965”

    If you translate all of this into Malvinistian it says

    'Malvinas son Argentinas!'

    Short and to the point but still invented nonsense.

    The General Assembly,

    Having examined the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas),

    Taking into account the chapters of the reports of the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples relating to the Falkland Islands (Malvinas), and in particular the conclusions and recommendations adopted by the Committee with reference to that Territory,

    Considering that its resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 was prompted by the cherished aim of bringing to an end everywhere colonialism in all its forms, one of which covers the case of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas),

    Noting the existence of a dispute between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over the said Islands,

    1. Invites the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem, bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas);

    2. Requests the two Governments to report to the Special Committee and to the General Assembly at its twenty-first session on the results of the negotiations.

    May 31st, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “I have discovered how arrogant, supercilious, and patronizing Europeans can be”

    Then:

    “You people are so predictable.”

    “It's like being a scientist on litttle rodent animals knowing exactly their reactions to different stimuli.”

    “That's the coruscate analysis and conclusion which has you feeling so intellectually achieving this morning.”

    “Boy, this is just way too easy.”

    You are quite the walking contradiction, aren't you.

    May 31st, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • scarfo

    tobias

    so at this point I say I don't want anything to do with any of you

    yet you still post here!

    You people are so predictable

    pot, kettle :)

    May 31st, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    I'm not the contradiction, I'm pointing out a contradiction. The contradiction is you.

    Europeans (and Americans) are arrogant, cocky, aloof, supercilious. Which makes them predictable (read my post 44, go to the story about argie-US trade and read Conqueror's and yankeeboy's comments, right on cue making my point), as soon as you toss legitimate criticism and them (at you), they find slight. But they sure like to dish it out at us... Can't take the heat but like to bake cakes.

    You invariably fall into behavior patterns that I can use to twist you all into gnarls. I always win because I can predict your responses and behavior, but you cannot predict mine.

    In that sense, it is indeed a laboratory.

    May 31st, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    48 yankeeboy

    And you will never meet a successful Argentine Rocket Scientist in Argentina either.

    Timmidman ballyhooed a new rocket! 25% payload no less!

    The most successful mass produced true rocket ever - the V2 had a payload of 8%. Without knowing the propellant or forcing cone design I could not calculate the likely range. But given the 25%, I would imagine it would have difficulty even getting off the floor.

    Never heard any more about it: what a surprise.

    May 31st, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • scarfo

    54

    Europeans (and Americans) are arrogant, cocky, aloof, supercilious

    I always win because I can predict your responses and behavior, but you cannot predict mine.

    hmmm

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  • tobias

    @55

    Well, when countries are not allowed to technologically advance because they are banned from testing technology, what do you expect?

    How can you improve if you can't test?

    More walking contradictions, you people are the gift that never finishes the gifting.

    I guess we will have to see however, how the Tronador III rocket goes. They claim is 2-3 years away, after the succesful test of the much smaller II version.

    May 31st, 2012 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “I'm not the contradiction, I'm pointing out a contradiction.”

    While contradicting yourself. It is very amusing.

    ”Europeans (and Americans) are arrogant, cocky, aloof, supercilious“

    Please explain to me how these statements:

    “It's like being a scientist on litttle rodent animals knowing exactly their reactions to different stimuli.”

    “That's the coruscate analysis and conclusion which has you feeling so intellectually achieving this morning.”

    “Boy, this is just way too easy.”

    ”I always win because I can predict your responses and behavior, but you cannot predict mine. “

    Are not the words of a person whom is not arrogant, cocky, aloof, supercilious and patronizing.

    ”Well, when countries are not allowed to technologically advance because they are banned from testing technology, what do you expect?“

    Also, would you like to provide some hard evidence to back up this claim that your country has been banned from testing rocket technology, Because i seem to recall someone stating something along the lines of:

    ”comments usually laden with confabulations, fibs, and outright lies and calumnies”

    May 31st, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • scarfo

    57

    nowhere did i mention technology, or banned from testing technology, or anything to do with rockets

    so at this point I say I don't want anything to do with any of you

    yet you still post here!

    You people are so predictable

    pot, kettle :)

    my second post was in responce where you said europeans and americans thought they were superior and you followed that with,

    I always win because I can predict your responses and behavior, but you cannot predict mine.

    like i said pot, kettle

    May 31st, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Ad hominems.

    So if I'm an ugly bastard, and you are an ugly bastard, I can't call you an ugly bastard.

    Fine, but you are still ugly bastards.

    @58

    Oh please, it is well known the USA and Europe want to keep the rest of the world technologically retarded, by any means. They can't do it with China or India because they are to chicken to go to war with them, so they force smaller countries to sign treaties forbidding them from any technological research, not just rockets. These are well known facts.

    scarfo,

    I stay here because it is amusing to me. In real life, yes, I don't want to see the face of a European ever again. Americans thanks to yankeeboy are quickly approaching that request too.

    May 31st, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    This is fun.

    “I'm not the contradiction, I'm pointing out a contradiction.”

    “Fine, but you are still ugly bastards.”

    So is that you conceding that fact that you are contradicting yourself? Or is it still not okay to contradict yourself? Because when a British poster does it you give him a slap on the wrist, but it's ok for you to do it? Is that a contradiction? I'm confused, too many contradictions.

    “Oh please, it is well known the USA and Europe want to keep the rest of the world technologically retarded.”

    ”comments usually laden with confabulations, fibs, and outright lies and calumnies”

    May 31st, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • scarfo

    posted by tobias in another thread

    Dude, my left eyebrow is smarter than you. In every conceivable parameter, I am smarter than about 305 million Americans too. They cower in a discussion with me, usually by falling back to the safe haven of “USA, USA, USA”.

    now what was it you were saying again

    Europeans (and Americans) are arrogant, cocky, aloof, supercilious

    i shall post this for the last time

    pot, kettle!

    May 31st, 2012 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    48 yankeeboy (#)
    May 31st, 2012 - 03:17 pm

    I haven't read the posts after your's yet, but I thought you ought to know about Mario Acuña, plasma researcher at NASA, Argentine, died 2009.
    Brilliant fellow!

    May 31st, 2012 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    I can say I'm smarter because I am smarter. So now the truth is being arrogant?

    Don't I hear all the time how Britain defeated argie in the Falklands? That's a fact, I never have said that is arrogant.

    What I find arrogant is you people like to attack my country in terms of its culture, or language, or economy or whatever, and then don't like it when we strike back and point your economy, culture is not exactly ambrosial and pink fields of lavender.

    You will never understand this point because you Europeans don't understand what it is to be humble, and not talk about other countries when you have so many problems at present.

    @61

    No, I was just suggesting that if YOU think I'm ugly and bastard, that doesn't mean you are no longer one too. Get it?

    And yes I stand by the USA and Europe forcing smaller coutries to give up R&D so that Ratheon, Lockeed, Rafal, Siemmens, Finmecanica, etc...

    That fact is irrefragable. You want the rest of the world dumb and ignorant otherwise you get China and India on a global scale, and you have enough problems already competing with them. Brazil is starting to wise up and ignore the treaties and going ahead with nuke subs, rockets, and other development.

    May 31st, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    64 tobias (#)
    May 31st, 2012 - 05:23 pm

    Remember the SAC series of sattelites built for NASA by INVAP. Technologically we are in the front rank of countries, and that no one can deny!!!

    May 31st, 2012 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @66

    I have stated that before, in a thread about “succesful argie companies that were partly run by the government”... yankeeboy dismissed it as “being too insignificant of a company”. That dude is an insecure bantam, you will never give credit about anything because he is just an insecure american troll who sees his country in steep decline on all fronts (and the decline began before Obama), and comes here to compensate. I just have fun with him.

    May 31st, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    The SAC series, A, B, C, and D are excepcionally leading edge technology for all EROS functions, and especiallt for MODIS, heatseeking, which is used for pinpointing forest fires world-wide. Theses are the good things Argentina is providing for the world.

    May 31st, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    Someone with a firm grip of the English language can easily make themselves look more intelligent than they actually are. I've said nothing much, just pointed out his own faults in his statements. If anything, for someone so “highly” intelligent, he's doing a grand job of making himself look silly.

    Constantly berates people for contradicting themselves or being a contradiction while at the same time contradicting himself nearly every paragraph.

    Dislikes us because of the fact we are arrogant and patronising, While being both arrogant and patronising at the same time(Along with the other traits he mentioned).

    Accuses us of making ill informed statement's that we can't prove. Then makes a glaring one himself.

    Tobias' is an Oxymoron.

    May 31st, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    Who would have thought Cristina going to the C24 would generate so much heat.
    Simon, good to hear from you, you have been quiet lately.

    May 31st, 2012 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @68

    You are merely confusing me coming down to the prevalent level of intelligence here, and assuming thus I am not intelligent.

    I tried the “act your intellect level” track, I even laid out my real opinions about the Falklands and how they should be left to self-determine, it got me nowhere but insulted and verbally abused by the other side in spite of the fact I agreed with them.

    My only sin was to be Argentine.

    So I said off with that, I'll deign myself to descend to a level that gets makes the point across.

    Far less subtle, cogent, and scholarly, but that's what works here.

    May 31st, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    69 Condorito (#)
    May 31st, 2012 - 05:47 pm

    Suffering from 'flu. So just browsing through the postings, and putting in the odd comment. Must away to luncheon, rather late, but hunger strikes (pun meant).

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  • ElaineB

    Tobias, why do you make every thread on here ALL ABOUT YOU? Do you not get any attention in real life? You would be really interesting to debate with if you could just drop the 'ME, ME, ME. Please everybody look at ME' desperate attitude.

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    I'm not the one talking about my trips on every solitary opportunity.

    In fact, none of you know anything about my personal life, yet I know snippets of many of yours, because it seems important to many of you to state that you travel, that you spend weekends in Europe, that you engineer, do financial analysis, have loads of money, shall I go on.

    What do any of you know about me? Except what can't really be avoided, that I possess a formidable vocabulary.

    Nothing. I haven't disclosed what my job is, if I go to school, where I go to school, my age, how much money I have, or don't, what educational background, my race, my religion or lack of, my sexual orientation, heck... for all you know I could be a she. Or a she that was a he. Or a she who became a he, but then crossdressed and decided she was lesbian afterall.

    Just sayin.

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    63Simon68
    Mario Acuña, plasma researcher at NASA. Yes, magnetic anomolies and plasma research is high science but it is not rocket science and external ballistics, which is what I was on about.

    57 tobias

    I no longer respond to you. DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME RESPONDING TO MY POSTS.

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    yankeeboy
    I share a most of your views on CFK, but regarding this statement...

    ”Lots of SAs think they are smart or rich or privileged in their own country but here they're just maids or gardeners.“

    ...I was wondering if your “Argentinean friends” who you dined out with in Uruguay (a previous thread) fell in to the category of thinking they were rich, or if they were maids and gardeners.

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @75

    He asseverates he was in Uruguay in order to remain obfuscate, and not be forced to admit his dinner was on the Buquebus stevedore dock waiting for the late ferry at discount fare.

    He would have us conceive that his dinners were beachfront at some seaside estancia 20 minutes removed from Jose Ignacio at tantivy speed.

    LOL

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @73 Bless you, you have revealed a great deal about yourself in your posts.

    My work takes me to many countries including Argentina and I relate personal experiences to illustrate points raised in the topic of discussion. Feel free to ignore my posts if my lifestyle offends you.

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    48 yankeeboy Fred, not wonder you area poor salesman.

    “An Argentine Partnership with NASA”

    “When the Aquarius mission launched from Vandenberg Air Force Base in June 2011, few Americans outside the Earth-science and space communities probably knew that the satellite itself came from Argentina”

    http://www.nasa.gov/offices/oce/appel/ask/issues/46/46s_argentine_partnership.html

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @77

    Perhaps, Perhaps. (Passim), perhaps.

    I merely find it uncanny, borderline preternatural, that your experiences have such a felicitious and germane applicability in very solitary topic of debate, infallibly so I would proffer.

    There seems to be no theme or circumstance in which you are incapable or unable to draw some apropos commentary sourced from such an argosy of anecdotes.

    Just saying.

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AmericanLight

    My fellow American Yankeeboy.... My mother was born in Argentina I guess that makes me an half an RG as well as an American ... Guess what? I have a BS in physics from
    Northwestern Class of 2005...(Astro physics and Nuclear as well) ...
    And the victim thinking that this post is all about bashing people from Argentina all I can tell you is take the chip of your shoulder. Same for the islander regarding 40 million vs 3000.
    Take the chip of your shoulder

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Ouch, yankeeboy is being pelted by brickbats and genteel fulminations.

    See, it doesn't make me smart to state yankeeboy was an arrogant twat/troll. There is nothing smart about stating the obvious, it requires no penetrating or discriminating 6th sense.

    So perhaps people should trust my judgments of people a little more. Yankeeboy is an insecure young male, who sees the USA declining (this is a fact, it is not me engaging in Schadenfreude), so he needs to conpensate by stretching his conceit and ego here.

    I see it in yahoo! all the time. Americans used to be secure people thus didn't need to put down other countries (at least at the person to person level of interaction). Now 90% of american posters in all forums I participate are incredibly tetchy, irascible, and exceedingly facile to rile.

    Typical signs of an insecure nationality at the moment.

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    After #73 I'm still traumatised at the image of you with a stache, high-heels and a dress flicking through a copy of Busty Baps stealthily secreted away inside your thesaurus. O.o

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Yes, britninja, I have a thesaurus with me at all times. It's cache memory is instantaneous and runs on grilled meat.

    Now I'll let you on with your whims and vagaries.

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    These days KFC need only to open a kindergarden in downtown BA to use it as an excuse to bring up “a strong case for Argentina’s claim over the disputed Falklands/Malvinas Islands”.

    We all know how “stong” that case will be don't we? Look, if Argentina's claim over the Falklands is so strong, why haven't they taken it to an international tribunal or some international court to get it settled once and for all?

    Even I can answer that one... They would loose.

    I suspect though, that even if they did loose, we STILL wouldn't hear the last of it though, do you?

    And so the merry-go-round turns yet again oh well, ho hum..... At least there will be cringe worthy moments of the Argentine President embarassing herself on the world stage ( again ) to entertain us all.

    May 31st, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    @83 It was just banter Tobi, dial down the snooty-o-meter to a 4 or 5 before you overload your cache ;)

    @84 Yup the drip, drip, drip of water torture-esque tedium will go on and on until the mad bat is replaced by someone there who's sensible and rational and favours co-operation over nationalistic ranting... Won't hold my breath.

    May 31st, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    85 Britninja

    I love the :- “replaced by someone there who's sensible and rational and favours co-operation over nationalistic ranting” Bit!!! I LOL so hard, a little bit of wee came out.

    Is there anyone like this IN Argentina? Nope......oh wait...hang on a minute!!! Yes there is!!

    HEY!!! Simon68!!! Got a job for you mate!! Fancy being president?

    May 31st, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    72 Elaine B

    I like your post. LOL! Shall we discuss travel now and the good and bad attributes of the various airlines' first and business class cabins? Oh, and what about VIP lounges at airports around the world? That way Tobias can have another tantrum about how predictable we are.

    I have it! The perfect pre-fight. It's a combination of several. Virgin Upper Class limo pick-up/enroute baggage drop, then into the Concorde Room in T5 (BA) but with Virgin's Upper Class Lounge breakfast menu (I usually always leave the UK on mid-morning flights, otherwise I'd say with Antigua's Outbound Lounge's afternoon menu) and finally taken straight on board just minutes before the door closes and pre-ordered G&T on my seat tray (new to Gold).

    Next, my favourite hotel. Might even be an Argentine one. I don't know exactly what it is about the place but I just love the Marriott Plaza Hotel. I'll give it some more thought before I answer that one though. It might also have to be a hybrid.

    May 31st, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    This is all merely a ploy by CFK and Co to show their gullible public that they are players on the World's stage (when they're not) and to keep the Argentine population away from a few home truths namely:

    (i) Inflation is running away at 30%; wage rises are running at 5%
    (ii) the country is at 100th place in the World's index of corrupt nations
    (iii) because of the 'appropriation' of YPF no one investors are being driven away
    (iv) Argentina is at odds with the US, EU and a host of other countries over trade

    So why not use the old chestnut, 'the Malvinas are Argentina's', wouldn't you use it if your backs to the wall?

    May 31st, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    1 tobias (
    I think this thread needs some humiliating derogation of argentine dead soldiers, as spineless, cowards

    [You brought it up [again]

    The blogg in question,
    Why is CFK going to this meeting,
    And if she is allowed,
    Then a representative from great Britain and the Falklands,
    Should also be there,
    [Not to observe]
    But also to refute any and all CFK lies,

    Is this not fair.

    .

    May 31st, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Google Translate from lanacion...The Argentine peso was devalued 30% in May in neighboring countries, since their contribution draws on the tip of the dollar selling casual. For U $ S 1 on the other side of the border Argentines pay between $ 6.3 and $ 6.98, according to a survey conducted by the NATION in the financial centers of these squares.
    It's 8/1 in the futures market...
    Toby is all of your savings in Pesos?

    May 31st, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    “...since their contribution draws on the tip of the dollar selling casual. For U $ S 1 on the other side of the border...”

    Ouch, this sounds like a test run real-life application of the Kamasutra gone really wrong.

    May 31st, 2012 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    That actually made me laugh. I feel dirty now :P

    May 31st, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steveu

    Oh this will be fun!

    We look forward to some ridiculous statements on “colonisation” and “militarisation”

    C24 is a “talking shop” but may give CFK a photo-opp when “addressing” a “large” UN committee.

    Bring your case to the ICJ and the fourth UN committee and we might (just- yawn!) take interest - if not please don't embarrass yourself (unless you wish to keep us amused) - actually, please make an a**e of yourself - it will be more fun that way. How are your dollar bank accounts doing, BTW?

    May 31st, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    If you read the whole article it sounds like Rgs are flooding into Bolivia to try to change every peso they can into U$. I guess they don't have the $ sniffing dogs up there yet....

    May 31st, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    The fact is gentlemen
    The UN has lost its way, it is totally out of place in the 21st century, and it is irrelevant and useless,

    It is overrun by tin pot dictators, backed up by fools
    That puts democracy way down the list of importance,

    The UN has no power
    And NATO has no political clout

    Both need to be disbanded, and a new, better, organised and enforceable organisation should, and one day , will replace it,
    But that tomorrow,
    Today it sits on its bum trying to enforce de colonisation where none exists, and yet sits back and lets thousands of innocent die in Syria, be cause it has no power, and Russia and china are as guilty as the Syrians .
    Just a opinion.
    .

    May 31st, 2012 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steveu

    @95 Briton

    You've hit the nail on the head - the UN has become totally ineffectual- always looking at the small stuff rathe than concentrating on the big issues.

    Syria is a train crash in progress and the UN's efforts should be aimed in that direction rather than petulant and childish protests from certain “Third World ”countries

    May 31st, 2012 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JohnN

    CFK attending meet on 14 June, but according to UN Special Committee work timetable (page 5), while there are meetings 11-15 June, it appears that it is at the meeting on 21 June where the topic will be ”The Question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)”.

    I guess if she shows up on 14 June, they'll probably let speak, but will be interesting to see what she says in her presentation about 14 June, 1982.

    UN meet timetable: http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/AC.109/2012/L.2

    May 31st, 2012 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @87 Thanks. I was a little harsh on Tobias. If he could channel that angry and frustration into something positive he has the makings of a very useful member of society. Instead of begrudging everyone their experiences he should get out there amongst real people and travel; it would broaden his mind. Nothing, but nothing beats first-hand, real-life experience.

    I am no so enamoured with the Concorde Lounge at T5. Call me lazy but as most of my flights depart from B gates I tend to settle in the Business Lounge there. It is quieter too.
    Of course, the G & T is a given.

    May 31st, 2012 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Don't worry about my “channels”; I have more than enough of them to sublimate (that is the apposite word you were looking for, look it up), my “frustration” (which is called drive and personal ambition of betterment), into MANY things positive.

    Many of you may not admit it, but you know that having my vocabulary and knowing several languages is something that requires much dedication, time, and pertinacity. That on top of my other fields of learning (specially science).

    My frustration sublimates quite well, thank you.

    May 31st, 2012 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I am not worried about you, Tobias. Life experience will teach you well enough if you dare to try it.

    Just a kindly word; sounding like a menu in a pompous restaurant impresses no one here. Stop trying to sell yourself because I am not buying and I doubt anyone else is. And remember, self- praise is no praise.

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    You don't have to buy. Hate my guts, but one day most of you will have to admit that you left your encounter of me with a bit more insight into your native language.

    Even if it is for a nanosecond, deep in the stygian depths of your scruples, you will thank me.

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    Lol well while we're trawling the Stygian depths, can you check down the back of the sofa and find some humility? Deal?

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @102 LOL!

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @102

    It is conforting to realize that at least I would know what it is I am looking for!

    Asking you Europeans to search for the same would be like asking a fish to search for a moist corner.

    :)

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mcarling

    @99 tobias (who is now hoisted on his own diffeomorphism-invariant petard) ”Many of you may not admit it, but you know that having my vocabulary and knowing several languages is something that requires much dedication, time, and pertinacity. That on top of my other fields of learning (specially science).“

    That would be ”especially science“ not ”specially science.” Compiling a dozen obscure words from a dictionary and then repeatedly using them in strained sentences is impressive, but the impression is not positive.

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    86 toooldtodieyoung (#)
    May 31st, 2012 - 07:23 pm

    Not on your nellie!!! There is no way I'd run for president of this poor benighted country. This is not from lack of patriotism, it's because I believe it is impossible after 70 years of corruption, misgovernment, military dictatorships, terrorism (both state and political), this country is only saveable by someone with youthfull vigor and unbreakable honesty. I may have the second but certainly lack the first.

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    I didn't say I was God. Next time I will ask permission to make a mistake. Special, I apologize... Next time don't make an “especial” post to tell me that. I'm not that special.

    Do you see me pointing out your mistakes or other mistakes? That is not what I have ever done to anyone, I just use more vocabulary and elocutions which is different entirely than being hypercritical or captious with nothing positive to offer.

    I find it amazing how so many people are offended at my vocabulary size. This one really did hit a nerve. You may all say it doesn't affect you, it does not impress you, but you all keep making it an issue so at some point one has to conclude otherwise.

    BTW, it's more than a “dozen” words and please give examples of “strained” sentences. All the sentences are dovetailed with the arcane vocabulary just as well as with the everyday vocabulary, there is no shoehorning.

    Just admit it, you are unconfortable with this.

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    107 tobias (#)
    Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:47 am

    Not in the slightest. I do think you're being a tiny bit pedantic, but that is only my opinion. I really do like some of your English Language usages, they are really quite quaint.
    Actually on several occasions you use your vocabulary absolutely correctly.

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Appreciated. I will now consider the matter hitherto discussed closed. I will continue to make usufruct of my vocabulary acquired through effort, lucubration, and privation of wordly pleasures. I will not back away from it as so many people with treasure-trove vocabularies are force to, by the 99% with mere average vocabulary size.

    This is the #1 complaint of people in the top 1-2% of this category, the fact that naturally so few people comprehend many of the terms, but mainly that they are made to feel bad for using it, so many shy away. I think that is a form of discrimination to be honest.

    Anyway, that was that.

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    Whew glad that's over. In case you get anymore urges though, just remember - *nobody* is allowed to say “hitherto” unless they're wearing a top hat and monocle. ಠ_ರ

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Good thing you don't know Spanish.

    I still use the preposition “cabe”. Ask any Spanish speaker, they don't even know such a preposition exists.

    El parque de diversiones se localiza cabe la autopista.

    I wonder if any of the Spanish speakers here would even know where the amusement park lies in relation to the expressway.

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    Taking the expressway to the amusement park...? Bloody hell are you STILL ogling that kama sutra? You'll go blind :P

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    I only ogle femmes. I prefer expressway to motorway for some reason.

    Anyway, since the subject came up, I invite all Spanish speakers to revive the use of “cabe” (as in “Ella yace cabe mio”), and the future subjunctive. It sounds terrible to use the imperfect or present subjunctive for a future event “Cuando me visites hablaremos” .... use the future:

    “Cuando me visitares, hablaremos.”

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #106 “this country is only saveable by someone with youthfull vigor and unbreakable honesty”

    So glad Cristina has both =)

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    More like rigor mortis and unbelievable nuttiness.

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    This country is only saveable by someone with youthful vigour and unbreakable honesty,,

    Come come old chap, she is but a primrose, in her prime, with the petals falling orff

    As for honesty, she utters more inaccuracies that an encyclopaedia.

    Honesty according to CATO is a man dedicated to the obedience of the ten commandments.

    Mind you, to be fair, as she is a woman, she probably exempts herself from this petty irrelevances .

    Is this not true .
    mmmm

    .

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • f0rgetit87

    I wish I was under that table....mmmmmm!

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    not with her on top of you chummy

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Furry-Fat-Feck

    So when the FI delegate gets up to speak what will KFC do? Will she get up and walk out in protest or will she stick her fingers in her ears and say 'LA LA LA LA. It's not happening. This person does not exist'?

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    I no longer respond to tobias as it just feeds his self-obsession and allows him a grandstand that he is most certainly not entitled to.

    If, as Elaine quite rightly says, he got out into the real world and stopped trying so hard with this 'I'm better than anyone' and 'you will learn something of your language from me' nonsense he may, in time, turn out to be a nice chap.

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “Nothing. I haven't disclosed what my job is, if I go to school, where I go to school, my age, how much money I have, or don't, what educational background”

    “vocabulary and knowing several languages is something that requires much dedication”

    ”That on top of my other fields of learning (specially science). ”

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • f0rgetit87

    @118 Your right there. I'm only interested in juan.

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @121

    Is that information telling you my occupation or métier? Does it reveal my school of matriculation? my age? my net worth?

    It just tells you my fields of interest as a person. I may be exceedingly leery about releasing information on the internet, but not outright paranoid.

    Jun 01st, 2012 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    All those who think this is going to achieve anything, put your hands up. More smoke and mirrors, more deception, more coniving, more twisting, more deception, more self dellusion. Not going to happen, talk to has many G's has you like. It is the other letters of the alphabet you should be talkiing to, try starting with the FI's.

    Jun 02nd, 2012 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    It isn't, except the playground bully creating a loud noise. The Argentines can spout as many distortions of history as they like, but the ultimate authority, the ICJ would need to see solid evidence, which the Argentine's fairy stories lack.

    Jun 02nd, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #116 “Honesty according to CATO is a man dedicated to the obedience of the ten commandments.

    Mind you, to be fair, as she is a woman, she probably exempts herself from this petty irrelevances”

    Worked for Maggie...

    Jun 02nd, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    126 British_Kirchnerist
    very good

    Jun 02nd, 2012 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    126 Blind_Scottie_Kirchner

    Yes, but Maggie had bigger balls than you AND she hammered your commie Jock Mates in the union, didn't she?

    TMBA couldn't hold a candle to Margaret in terms of intellect and strength of character.

    Pity Camoron has got about as much as your 'queen' and that's FA.

    Jun 02nd, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Why does Toby,
    Come up with these big amorous complicated extraordinary upper class, snobbish out blandish words,

    Is Toby trying to impress us by any chance,

    I spent 5 years back and forth to oxford,
    And I am not impressed.
    ………….
    Long live the diamond jubilee

    .

    Jun 02nd, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    So CFK is going to humilate Argentina once more on the world stage, by lying, crying and BEGGING for help over the Falklands 'non-issue'.

    However, I do believe that CFK might just use this 'trip' to scarper before the angry mob turn up baying for her blood once they realise she and her inept government has stolen all their money and ruined the country.

    It'll be interesting to see. :0)

    Jun 03rd, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandr0

    she is not humiliating Argentina. Your own government of colonialist are a joke. The American/African Government is the laughing stock of the world. All South America laughs at you.

    Jun 03rd, 2012 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @131 - Marcos. Did I touch a nerve? Poor boy.

    No self respecting leader of a government would directly address a small powerless committee, they would be sorting out problems at home, no avoiding them.

    Jun 03rd, 2012 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    agreed

    Jun 03rd, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JohnN

    New article just released by Pascoe and Pepper:
    “False Falklands History at the United Nations: how Argentina misled the UN in 1964 and still does”:
    falklandshistory.org/sites/default/files/false-falklands-history.pdf

    Jun 03rd, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    then perhaps the UN and the OAS and the rest of the free world. put this little puppy in her place .

    Jun 03rd, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BLACK CAT

    I take it by reading the posts by tobias, that he may have forgot to take his daily dose of retnol! not the best thing to do especially when he may be cramming for his school exams. Someone tell his Mum for goodness sake

    Jun 04th, 2012 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @134 The authors give Argentina too much credit by their title. There is no doubt in my mind that Argentina used a climate of post-war/cold war anti-British sentiment to advance its own objectives. No one was deceived by what was said by the representative; it was a useful fiction. Also, if one reads the declaration carefully, one can see that it endorses conclusions presented in a Chapter of the C24 original report. To understand what those really were one ought to read the Chapter. So far I have failed to track it down on the UN e-Library System or in any university database. Not even that acknowledged expert Think (he of the multiple identities many beginning with T) seems to have a copy. If anyone does have a copy I would be grateful to have sight of it or a pointer to where it can be seen.

    Jun 04th, 2012 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    unfortanatly
    tobias, has at least 3 other aliases,

    and uses them, against us,
    setting lies then leaving to laugh,
    not as clever as one thinks .
    mm

    Jun 04th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @138 Take care. You also are under suspicion due to your idiosyncratic style and just a bit too clever thinking.

    Jun 04th, 2012 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    me. what me , good old briton,
    never old chap never

    Jun 04th, 2012 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    Wouldn't it be rather fun if that too was a lie and we had both left to laugh last night. Sadly, I only left to sleep after posting 139 but it was eight solid hours, which was nice. Time to move on to another thread, I think.

    Or should that be you Think?

    Jun 05th, 2012 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    thinking abt it, it is a possability,

    mind you, working for the CIA throws up many challenges every day,

    still back to blooging. lol

    Jun 05th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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