UK blasts Argentina’s “domineering position” and attempt to impose a blockade on the Falklands
Argentina is trying to impose an “economic blockade” on the Falkland Islands, said Foreign Office Minister Jeremy Browne who made plain clear that the people of the Falklands are free to determine their own political arrangements and were not to be part of ”some sort of trade-off” over their heads.
Browne is leaving on Sunday for the Islands to attend the 30th anniversary of Liberation Day, marking the end of the South Atlantic conflict when Argentine forces occupied the Falklands during 74 days before they were expelled by a British Task Force, precisely on 14 June 1982.
However Argentina in recent years, particularly with President Cristina Fernandez has escalated diplomatic and international pressure plus implementing measures to curtail the Falklands economy by threatening fishing and oil companies, and impeding the development of tourism and communications in the Islands.
“It is pretty clear that Argentina is behaving in a domineering way by seeking to put an economic blockade in place... to impoverish an isolated community with about 3.000 people“, said Browne.
Argentina has been turning away cruise ships carrying the British flag and has also said oil exploration by five London listed companies off the Falklands was ”illegal“ and ”clandestine“. This was a classification that, according to the Argentine government, paves the way for immediate criminal proceedings.
Browne said he was disappointed at the Argentine government's recent actions over cruise ships and British oil companies.
Argentina ”with a population of about 40 million people, seeking to put an economic blockade in place which will... impoverish an isolated community with about 3,000 people“, said the Foreign Office representative.
Likewise Browne asked ”Which party in this arrangement are behaving in a domineering way and who are the vulnerable population who are having to make their way in the world, despite a much more powerful country going out of their way to make that harder for them?”. He underlined, “I think that it's pretty clear cut.”
“We believe that the people of the Falkland Islands should be free to determine their own political arrangements, their own destiny” pointed out Browne saying they were not to be part of “some sort of trade-off” over their heads.
Last year, President Cristina Kirchner accused Prime Minister David Cameron of “mediocrity bordering on stupidity” when the UK prime minister said the Islands should remain a British territory if that was what its inhabitants wanted.
Looking ahead to his four days in the Falklands, Browne said that the Liberation Day service would be a mixture of “celebration and commemoration”.
“It's a balance about people being pleased on the Falkland Islands about the outcome of the war but also a more sombre reflection on the sacrifice on both sides,” Browne told reporters. On April 2, 1982, the then-ruling junta in Argentina invaded the Falklands, with a final cost of 649 Argentine and British troops’ lives plus three Islanders.
“It will be in part a celebration because people are proud of the achievements of the British armed forces,” Browne said.
“The Falkland Islanders themselves were obviously coerced into a political arrangement they did not wish to have 30 years ago and are enthusiastic about celebrating their liberation.
”But it's also a commemorative event and an opportunity for sombre reflection” on the sacrifice on both sides concluded Browne.
Besides Foreign Officer Browne and over twenty journalists and several television crews, the list of dignitaries includes Gibraltar Minister for Enterprise, Training and Employment Jose Bossano; Minister Keith Brown MSP, Minister for Housing & Transport, Scottish Parliament; Richard Collas, the Bailiff of Guernsey; Lt Gen Sir James Dutton KCB CBE and Lady Dutton; President South Atlantic Medal Association; Murdo Fraser MSP and Mrs Emma Fraser, Member of the Scottish Parliament; Kerry McCarthy MP Shadow Foreign Office Minister; David Melding AM Deputy Presiding Officer, Welsh Assembly; Senator Paul Routier MBE Assistant Chief Minister Jersey; Neil Hopkins and Mrs Judy Hopkins Principal Peter Symonds College and Sarah Stannard Vice Principal Chichester College
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Did they elect their English governor?
The Governor
”The role of the Governor in the Overseas Territories is multi-faceted; he is the representative of HM the Queen in the Islands, and represents the UK Government to the people and the Government of the Falklands. He also represents the interests of the Falkland Islands Government (FIG) to the UK Government. He has specific responsibility for foreign affairs and defence and the integrity and independence of functions such as justice and audit. The Governor has overall responsibility to the UK Government for good governance of the Islands”
www.falklands.gov.fk/Government.html
I think as ever you are confused and making bizarre posts with no meaning, he's a representative on defense and foreign affairs that the Falkland's people welcome. It's really not that hard to understand is it?
How many dollars can you get today Marcos?
Jun 07th, 2012 - 09:36 pm
You are a clueless tit. The governor is a representative of the head of state who also isn't elected either because the head of state is a figurehead and has no political power or duties to perform.
Furthermore. It is none of your business so go and bother some poor fecker on your own territory. Pick on somebody your own size.
Why? Are you a little monkey?
“Penguin News asked if the Image of the Falkland Islands would be clearer if we didnt have a Governor but just a diplomat?”
“ Well, he is a diplomat, was the reply. I hope he would be judged outside the Falklands not on his title but on what he does”
www.falklandnews.com/public/story.cfm?get=6185&source=3
A pretty poor defence of your government's stance to raise a point on nothing.
MP Browne is telling it exactly as it is. A small community minding its own business, threatening no one but seeing an unneighbourly backward populist government range blow after blow at them. A disgraceful bunch of truth dodging ministers headed by the gruesome two-some, Kircher and Tamborineman. History will not be kind to them.
And somehow in your warped little brain that makes Mr Browne a hypocrite, some great logic you have there pea brain.
www.periodicotribuna.com.ar/11518-cacerolazo-segui-en-vivo-todo-lo-que-se-dice-en-las-redes-sociales.html
All the press will be there, and it will get all around the world,
Show them how proud you are, and tell the way, argentine treats you,
embarrass them to hell
Short Video, “Falklands Economic Blockade”: vimeo.com/40022322
Jun 07th, 2012 - 11:44 pm
The Falkland Islands are NOT Argentine territory. There is a very simple test to prove it:
January 4th. 1833 Argentina says: Britain expelled civillian population of the Islands.
January 9th. 1834 reality says: Britain captures Antonio Rivero and 8 of his accomplices IN THE ISLANDS.
If Argentina is right, El Asesino Rivero, his mates and his victims all returned clandestinely to the Islands to murder (on one side) to be murdered (on the other side). Is this the correct interpretation?
Your argument, as always, is invalid.
”The Governor-General of the Commonwealth of Australia is the representative in Australia at federal/national level of the Australian monarch (currently Queen Elizabeth II).[1] He or she also exercises the supreme executive power of the Commonwealth. The functions and roles of the Governor-General include appointing ambassadors, ministers and judges, giving Royal Assent to legislation, issuing writs for elections and bestowing honours.[2] The Governor-General is President of the Federal Executive Council and Commander-in-Chief of the Australian Defence Force. All these things are done and all these posts are held under the authority of the Australian Constitution. Further, the Governor-General acts as vice-regal representative to the Australian Capital Territory.”. Courtesy of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor-General_of_Australia
Quick, someone call the C24 committee, the world's largest island nation needs to be added according to Argentine logic.
Macros, did Australia elect our Governor General? No.
Does that mean Australia is run by Britain, with no say in the governance of our nation? No.
Which, all together boys and girls, means...
...The Falkland Islands govern themselves, with the exception of defence and foreign policy due to their size, are self sufficient from Britain and are NOT a colonial enclave like Argentina, and the various supporting LTPSACs (To paraphrase 'Yes Minister') keep incorrectly claiming.
Jun 07th, 2012 - 10:26 pm
You see MA answers his own question in this post but is far too numb nutted to notice. The governor is a diplomat. Not a politician.
Malvinistas are too coked up to know the difference but I'll give the beetroots a clue. In a democracy politicians are elected. Diplomats are appointed.
I'm sure this won't help but we can always hope.
Argentina... what a pathetic nation. Pick on someone your own size.
:-)
Marcos, we like our Governor. We like the way things are run here. None of it is any of your business.
Good for you.
I like him too...in Britain.
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Australia has a Governor - economy is doing well
Canada has a Governor - economy is doing well
New Zealand has a Governor - economy is doing well
Falklands has a Governor - economy is doing well
versus
Argentina has a poisonous harridan - economy is categorically furked
So, I don't really see Marcos' point, maybe he doesn't know much about how political systems work. I guess he just wants to distract everyone from the bullying antics of Argentina as it falls into ruination.
What you say or think will have zero effect on the islands because you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to not be worth listening too.
Speak all you like or demand, nobody is listening. We have to respect you to care about what you think and quite frankly we have no respect for you.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 04:11 am
Well he is on British territory so that's okay then.
Therein lies the problem.
To CFK, enjoy the shopping trip in New York, while your country goes down the toilet.
To the Falklanders, happy Liberation Day and I have no doubt you will celebrate many more to come.
Cheers from Australia
Would recommend everyone to sign it.
Reason why so many Argies size on the Gov is probbaly because they are ruled so auticratically by their president who seems to never have cabinet meetings nor debates in her parliament - let alone press conferences! You call that democracy!!
Argentines cannot grasp the reality at all that the falklands Gov is merely the Queen,s representative and holds no voting power or control of any effect within the islands internal affairs - other than of course ultimate responsibility to the Un to ensure that ouir Govt works failry,openly and without corruption - that is all.- and marcos knows it - but will not admit it because he is Argentine.
You are on lndian land, when are you going back to Spain or ltaly?
Marcos,
Take note.
As honoria says, we like our Govenor & l'll add, that its none of your business.
You stay on your side of the fence & we'll stay on ours.
You see and read English side comments which can not defend UK realitic positions related vassal places let alone your interests.
Sir ! You have no chance against us with these benighted -- meager personals.
The latest news from BA shows that last night several thousands of demonstrators protested outside the presidential palace banging pots and pans complaining about the corruption, double-digit inflation and bans on purchasing foreign currency. Happy days...
Don't you think your president and government should devote their whole attention to sorting out Argentinas economy. Surely this is their 1st and most important responsibility. All other matters should be put on the back burner to when the economy is stable.
Oh wait, I forgot, your government is using the Falklands issue to distract easily led people, such as yourselves,mfrom the fact that they've stolen all your money, and their populist policies have bankrupted the economy.
When CFK doesn't get her way at the C24, just like she didn't at the OAS, what do you think she'll steal next? My bet is Telefonica.
“President Cristina Fernandez has yet to fulfil her wish to have the whole Argentine opposition represented next to her when she addresses the UN Decolonization Committee claiming sovereignty over the disputed Falklands/Malvinas Islands next week.”
en.mercopress.com/2012/06/07/cfk-malvinas-presentation-before-c24-divides-argentine-opposition
Interesting amount of ducking and diving going on there. They all seem to want to stay at home; as far away from her as possible.
Or could it be that “while the cat's away the mice will play?” :-)
Love it!
@8 How long did it take you to find two lines that could be taken out of context from an article 4 months old? Why did you “forget” to mention that this was an article written about the fact-finding mission of a US Congressman?
@13 What would you know?
@18 argieland is about to get its comeuppance. When the UN gets to find out just how many lies your gangster “governments” have been telling it over the years, you are likely to get expelled. See how you get on then! Will argieland be the first “member” to ever be expelled from the UN for lying on the “world stage”?
@28 MA is clearly an obsessive compulsive. Yet another well-known argie psychosis. They have all those psychiatrists for a reason!
@29 Where YOU like him is irrelevant. As are YOU. In fact, as is argieland. You have nothing and you are nothing.
@38 You have to remember that the script provided by the argie foreign ministry is quite limited. It cannot, for example, deal with “new information” that Peron & co forgot to hide. Such as the argie vice-president's speech to his congress in 1866. That was careless.
@40 Don't you worry about it, luvvy. The “mist” is in your brain. Sorry, the space where a brain ought to be. If you were human.
He just talk utter rubbish, he is a total liar and his website total rubbish. If you do have to respond to him please call him by his proper name which is Mike Bingham
In your wonderful definition Marcos, does it say anything about the Governor’s role in Falkland’s policy decision making? Setting taxes? Setting budgets? Spending FIG money? Issuing fishing or hydrocarbon licences? Etc. etc. Well no it doesn’t. Because you are a bit of an idiot you have provided the very answer that proves what you believe the Falklands Governor does is completely wrong. Well done Marcos!
Comes across as cold and disrespectful to human life if this is the case.
@49 can't answer that.
The Governor has consistently lost powers to the FIG in line with the UN's stance on de-colonisation which is for territories such as the Falkland Islands to gain independence not become a colony of a wannabe colonial state like Argentina. The UK has continually ceded more powers to the FIG in line with what the UN asks.
Argentina however, wants to colonise the Falkland Islands which is against the UN stance and impose their governor (ie the Argentine president), to take away the rights and government of the Falkland Islands from the people that live there.
It would be really nice one day if Argentina was to join the 21st century, and leave its 19th century colonialism behind where it belongs.
In the past.
@18 Falkland Islanders do not live on Argentine soil. And you need to get off Indian land and return to Spain. You can always get a job with Repsol.
@8 You call the UK hypocritical? Try listening to Argentinian politicians. Question. In which position is Argentina is placed in the world order of corrupt nations???
Bet you can't answer that, as a Diddle Dee berry has more intelligence than you.
Thus the Goiv retains veto powers which he can exercise -in extremis - and on consultation with London - he would only ever use them if for instance ouir elected assembly scrappped elections,started lining their pockets,interferred in the courts etc etc. The only place this has ever happened in a br overseas territory has been in turks&Caicos - and for sound reasons at the time.
His powers in that respect are similar to those of the Gov general in say Australia or canada - and I guess you are going to tell me they are not Independent? The Queen herself can block the British Govt if needed.
I suggest you study and learn a bit about how the British Constitution and how the Monarchy work before you prattle again.
Falklands ceased to be a Colony about 30yrs ago. Argentina wants to FORCE us to become a old fashioned style Imperial Colony! - This is the reality.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 04:25 pm
Response to what?
You seem very upset about something. Try calming down.
The facts are the facts. Argentinas position towards the people of the Falklands is that of a bully. Your country has tried to blockade the Falklands and starve them into submission. Tried and FAILED miserably.
Argentina constantly lies on the world stage, and the world knows it. Your president constantly embarrasses your country on the world stage, and the majority of countries in the world think they are a joke. Not only that but Argentina is constantly reneging on treaties and debts that you owe.
On top of this your government is robbing you all blind, and ruining your economy, and the crash of your economy is getting ever closer.
No wonder you are angry, but you are directing your anger at the wrong people. Even if Argentina gained sovereignty over the islands tomorrow, your country would still be fecked. Not that is probable, because the British will defend the rights of the islanders to determine their own future and allegiance against any aggressor.
Any responsible government would put all their efforts into trying to revive the economy, by taking sensible (but unpopula4) policies, instead of flogging this dead horse.
You should change your keyboard - the Caps Lock seems to be jammed in the “on” position (or is that how you talk in real life).
Yes, we're all crying...but not in the same way or for the same reason as you think
THEY ARE CRYING RETARDS.... THE HAVE THE ISLANDS FOR 189 YEARS.....AND STILL WANTS THE ARGENTINA BREASTFEEDING...
VIEJO KRETINO ....
What utter crap, if you are firing for effect, all that you have done is show your ignorance and stupidity. The Falkland Islands people are amoung the most resilient and independent folk on the planet, much like their mainly British ancestors who also lived on islands and had to fight off many bullies from off-shore continents over the centuries. In the end, the British became so good at fighting and defending its own that it owned most of the world. I would not count on any crying or tit sucking for any early caving in to a bunch of mixed race South American disfunctional retards with no idea of what they talk about.
I AM WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSE...
SUSANA BROWN
LAS VEGAS NEVADA US (702)375-5305
Jun 08th, 2012 - 05:07 pm
I repeat, response to what?
THE UK AND ISLANDERS WON THE INVASION AND IS TIME TO CELEBRATE....YOU HAVE JOINED THE PARTY...BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU KEEP CRYING.....LIKE THE UK AND THE ISLANDERS BLAMING ARGENTINA TRYING TO......“TO IMPOVERISH AN ISOLATED COMMUNITY”.......
WHERE THE ISLANDERS HAVE THEIR BRAINS IS THEY COUNTINUE SAYING IS ARGENTINA FAULT FOR THE ISLANDERS CONTINUED SUFFERING POVERTY........
You're an american living in Las Vegas. Argentina isn't 'your' country, you're just culturally isolated and desperate to have some kind of heritage to cling to. It's common amongst communities in the USA for this to occur, typically causing anxiety and regret about abandoning a country that you now feel some remorseful-pride in and show support for, even though you abandoned it for a life in another country.
Your use of 'my country' is just a fallacy. Your country is USA, and the fact you don't recognise that is sympomatic of some kind of manipulation of your reality that you're doing in order to deal with the cognitive dissonance going on in your head at this time.
The sooner you wake up to the fact you're not Argentinian, the sooner you can get on with life.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 05:33 pm
Ms. Brown, I think you have made a slight mistake, I have never mentioned the “impoverishment” of the an isolated community. The original post that seemed to draw your ire was about the murderer Antonio Rivero and his presumed return to islands after being expelled by the British pirates. I had absolutely nothing to do with impoverishment of anybody.
Just out of respect for the truth, you should know that the Falkland Islanders have at the moment one of the highest GDP per capita of any population in the world, so I don't think we are at fault over pushing them into poverty, if that is what we're trying to do I would say that it is another “fracaso argentino.”
Why do type in capitals? Does it mean you're angry?
Poor SussieUS, what invasion did we win? Do you mean the defeat of the Argentine invasion in 1982?
Well, it's not the UK or the Falkland Islanders who keep bringing the subject of sovereignty up, it's your pathetic government, using it as a distraction to prevent the ordinary Argentine citizen from realising that they fecked up the economy.
If you want to type in capitals to show your anger, try directing it at the people whose fault it all is, namely the Argentinian President and her government.
As for your comment on the Argentina trying to impoverish the Falkland Islanders through a blockade, what's not true about that? Both your President and Timerman have both been recorded as doing these things.
Try opening your eyes and ears and learning from more than one news source. Then you may get to the actual truth, not the constant lies that are spouted out of Buenos Aires.
And finally, try relaxing and let go of your anger. You'll live longer that way, and your soul will feel lighter.
Stop British taxpayers’ money supporting World Bank loans to Argentina (outstanding 16.2 BILLION)
A goverment e-petion has been setup at www.StopFundingArgentina.org
Would recommend everyone to sign it.
You see I can remove your comments...If Mercosur was serious about this web page should not permit personal attacks and derogative words made to the argentine female leader...
But the Colony Governor always has the -- VETO-- power to use in need.
certainly even the ordinary Colony Governor can not be obligated by a small 2000/3000 community group in socially.
What are you talking about -- unbelievable !
Argentina is neither colonialist nor imperialist country....just middle class country..thats all.
.-.-.-.-.
When commenting at international serious stages,you must be careful
and keep away from automatic,thoughtless ,biased ,hidebound ,blindfold, parochial, purblind, straight laced, puritan, rabid, bigoted ....writings.
Help the Obama Administration to keep afloat....
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Jun 08th, 2012 - 07:07 pm
Don't worry your tiny little brain about it. It has got nothing to do with you.
Now here's a friendly tip for you: You don't have the brain or nous to compete. That's why I'm sitting in my expensive home, with my expensive car outside and you're desperately turning tricks on Vegas street corners. Please remember that I've been to Vegas more than once. I know the place. I know the people.
www.StopFundingArgentina.org
Anyone reading this outside of Argentina sign THE FORM NOW.
You have been nasty on other bloggs,
And been put in your place and told of, politely, like a child,
By
Briton and Lsolde
And you still do not learn,
You are your own worst enemy,
We just laugh at your childish dribble,
And you embarrass other decent argentines, and actual embarrass even the likes of malvino, and that’s saying something,
Please just grow up, and act like an adult, instead of a raging lunatic,
Sadly in your case, indoctrination was certainly defective.
Grow up .
.
I reside in CA, NV, AZ.
The Islanders are in need of progress 189 years for nothing...
War Monkey ?
Is Monkey used as - noun-- or -- verb in this comment name ?
please dont be -- untravelled !!!! ( what accent from British or American ? ) when you write comments here.
The Islands have probably progressed more in the last 30 years than in anytime in their previous history. That is a direct result of the war of 1982. A fact, the war brought the Islands into our national Phsyche. We would no more abandon them than you would your fellow Americans.
www.StopFundingArgentina.org
Anyone reading this outside of Argentina sign THE FORM NOW.
with a Prime Minister in Australia is more than enough!!
The Governor General looking over our necks on each movement the
Prime Minister does....
You've finally found out that Australia has a Governor-General & not a Governor at last!
Bravo RG☼shine.
The GG has more to do than look at your unwashed neck, amigo.
Why don't you stop the Charade?
You are fooling no-one...............matey!
The quicker we dispose of this pain the better...
As a Constitutional Monarchy government, we need the Governor General as technically the Queen is the ultimate head of the Australian Government. That said, in this day and age, those positions are more of a figurehead than of any actual power. I think the last time the Governor General invoked any form of substantial power was in the 70's with the Whitlam escapade.
And there's no point in going republic mate. There would be no change to the everyday life in Australia, except removing some minor technicalities that really hold no relevance to you or I, and costing a fortune to do so. Besides, as part of the Commonwealth, Britain is bound to be a more reliable partner/ally than some of our other 'fair weather' international friends.
Go ahead and do it then! Take a vote, end of. for the next 10 years or so, anyway. You so furkin stupid not to know, if the aussies want rid of her, she will not go and go with grace. You will be the lesser for it, because wether you like it or not, you were!!!!! founded from this country.
We won't be 'lesser' for it if Australia does decide to become a republic. Nothing significant will change except spending huge sums of money to remove technicalities like the Queen and reworking the Australian government and constitution.
www.StopFundingArgentina.org
Anyone reading this outside of Argentina sign THE FORM NOW.
I've seen Argentines say that the British are pirates and British posters say that today's Argentina isn't a democratcy. Both these claims seem preposterous to me.
On a less serious level I've seen posts by British that Argentina has no good athletes. I know this is wrong. I don't consider myself a sports expert but definitely know that Messi and Genobili are elite athletes. I'm sure Argentines could come up with a longer list.
I also have seen Argentine claims that the British helicopter rescue pilot who just happens to be the Queen's grandson was a conquistedor. Someone has to be a rescue pilot why not a prince?
About the actual subject of the islands I would like to ask both Argentines and British posters about what I view as the weakest part of their claim.
To Argentines:
1 Why shouldn't the Argentine claim be time barred?
2 Aren't the islands involved too far from the mainland to be considered a natural part of Argentina?
To British:
1 If Self determination is the basis for your claim why should the Falklands be the unit that makes the determination rather than the Islands plus the Argentine mainland?
2 Isn't the population too small to have a right to self determination?
In both cases I think that point 1 is a much more significant weakens to the relative claims than point 2.
My own view is that the Islands should be British because I think that the international interest in stable and certain borders outweight righting a wrong committed in 1833.
I also think that a small population island which isn't independent should have small territorial waters (no more than 12 miles).
The term self determination surely means that it is the Islanders that should determine their own future and not the Argentinians - the Argentinians only wish for the Islands to become Argentinian.
Unfortunately all online comment sections include posters that should be certified.
You do know the difference between a Governor & a Governor-General, don't you? Do you?
Why is the Governor-General a pain to you, personally?
What has SHE done that annoys you so? Do tell?
Why do you want a republic for Australia when you aren't even Australian?
ONE of the republican models being considered had a President elected ONLY by members of Parliment.
Just like lreland.
What would be the difference to the ordinary people between an UNELECTED President & an UNELECTED Governor-General?
Lastly, why are you still pretending to be Australian, when l am certain that you are not?
Fake.
but
flag,right drive traffic,mile/yard/inch/gallon...should be changed too.
Your belief in a wrong committed in 1833 isn't based upon true history. Vernet was independent and not working for anyone in particular, even seeking agreement from the UK for his escapades. The illegal argentine prison colony that mutinied was repeatedly protested by the UK government. Even the USA helped to clean up the mess after the tried to take US whaling vessels captive. Spain never relinquished it's claims to the Falklands until a considerable time after, and the UK never relinqueshed it's claims. They were effectively squatters on other people's land. The claims over South Georgia and other islands have no underlying reasoning.
Other than the Argentines reneging on the 1850 Convention of Settlement, if you can find a wrong in any of that history then I'd be surprised.
You post has some interesting points, but some of them are based on Argentine lies. We know they are lies because the British, unlike Argentina, has this little thing called evidence.
1stly, no wrong was committed in 1833 - that is an Argentinian lie. The United Provinces of the River Plate put an illegal penal colony on British territory in 1832. The UP, Argentina didn't exist at that point.
There were already other colonists on the islands who'd been given permission from the British to be there.
The British objected to the penal colony, and under 19 century international law, sent to the UP government a demand that they dismantle this illegal penal colony and remove it from British territory. The UP ignored this just demand, so the British sent a Royal Naval vessel to remove them. All perfectly within the laws of that time.
When the British arrived they found out that the UP Military commander had been murdered by his own men in a mutiny. So not only was it an illegal penal colony, it was a failed illegal penal colony.
The British rounded up the mutineers, and escorted the rest of the penal colony off the islands. The legal colony was invited, and even encouraged to stay, and all but 4 families did, none of them Argentinian (Brazilian and Iruguayan).
Several years later Charles Darwin visited the Falklands and described in his diary the population of the Islands. This disproves Argentinas claims that the British expelled all the colonists, as they were still there.
In 1850, Argentina signed a Treaty with Britain, where they do not mention the Falklands, but state that they agree to the current British territory boundaries. They recognised British sovereignty over the islands.
So you see Argentina has no historic, legal or moral rights. And just how many do you have to be to have the right to self-determination? The Falklands are self governing, except for defence and foreign policy. They already have self-determination.
Yes, they are very much so by international law. If Argentina “had” the islands they would, under international definitions be an overseas territory.
“ If Self determination is the basis for your claim why should the Falklands be the unit that makes the determination rather than the Islands plus the Argentine mainland?”
Self determination is in effect the right to vote for which government your country has. Argentina already has this, The islanders have chosen the UK over Argentina, They may one day choose to go independent. It is there choice. That's what self determination is.
“Isn't the population too small to have a right to self determination?”
It's a human right, something everyone in the world is entitled to, so not really.
The “Wrong” in 1833 simply didn't happen. Argentina constantly claims we expelled the population yet there is simply no evidence to prove this from Argentina or the UK. The only people sent home were the military and family who Argentina then promptly executed on there safe trip home.
It's not even logical. If we expelled the population there would be no population, we sent a warship there, not a transport full of settlers. Some islanders can still trace there heritage back to those original settlers.
As for Argentina's claims on the other south Atlantic islands, they are just rather hilarious.
lts not up to you & its none of your business whether Australia becomes a republic or not, unless you are an Australian.
The same goes for the flag. lt is none of your business.
FYI, Australia converted to the metric system in about 1975.
Thats nearly 40 years ago. l doubt if any young people there know what an inch, mile or gallon is by now.
Why should they drive on the rhs.?
Australia has no land borders with any country & most of the imported cars come from Japan.
Japan also drives on the left.
So sr Max, what do you say to that? What is your now argument?
The Argentines have basically zero claim to the islands.
The Spainish acquired the French colony on the islands in 1767, a year after we had set up our own colony. They then invaded the British colony in 1770 and evicted it(almost starting a full scale war between Britain and Spain). The Spanish forces came from what is now Argentina.
We re-established a settlement , but withdrew it just prior to the War of American Independence, due to its isolation and the worsening diplomatic situation we found ourselves in. We retained our claim, however.
In the 1820s-1833 the nation that later became Argentina sent across settlers to the islands, most notably groups led by Louis Vernet. The declaration that he was 'civil and military commandant' of the isalnds was protested by the British consulate, as was the establishment of a garrison.
These developments spurred Britain to reinforce its' claim - and led to the despatch of a force to remove the garrison, which duly happened in 1833. Most of the Argentine settlers elected to stay on the islands.
The invasion of 1982 means that we will not negotiate with them, at least for a loooonnngggg time.
So there you have it - they never really had a claim that was not forced either at gun point or by squatting and ignoring the protests of HMG.
If you want a moral argument - when does the number of people become significant - 10, 20, 400, 3000, 100,000, 10,000,000?
Forgive me my ignorance.
I love English,Aussies,Kiwis...
I have a relative and friends who are Aussie citizens.
I believe Aussie deserves to have Republic ,own flag,own courts,own army, own people elected head of state,.......
I believe the English will have more prestige by own new full free countries in the world..instead of uptight and unprogressive London elites and their propaganda machine....
Time to be modern country not colony......
Stop showing how ignorant you are. The Australians already have their own flag, courts, Armed Forces etc...
They have been independent since 1926. They choose to keep the Monarch as Head of State. They are completely independent in everything, and the Monarch is only their to give advice, or to step in should the government reach an impasse, as it did in the 1970's. In that case the Head of State instructed that since the Whitman government was paralysed a new general election should be held. A common sense approach to that situation. Democracy working at its best.
If Australia wants to become a republic at some point in the future, so what, it's their choice and no one else's. That is because they are independent, and they don't require advice from someone such as yourself, who doesn't even know that they are an independent nation, on how to manage their own affairs.
Don't humiliate the Aussies..for who doesn't want to elect own head of state?
Neither is really ideal.
I don't humiliate the Australians. You have humiliated yourself with your complete ignorance about Australia and no doubt about all other former British colonies.
The truth is Max, that the Australians have self-determination. This means that they can hold referendums to decide if they want to become a Republic or whether to keep the Queen as Head of State.
It's their choice. You are the one disrespecting Australians by assuming that they are still a colony of the UK and not the fully in dependant country that they are.
As for the rest of the former British Empire, all the countries are either fully independent, regardless of whether they are a republic or constitutional monarchy, or a British Overseas Territory, by choice.
Also 54 nations make up the Commonwealth of Nations, and countries like Mozambique were never a part of the British Empire but choose to join the commonwealth.
Strange that isn't it? All those countries that were part of the British Empire choose to join the commonwealth, and some countries that weren't a part of the commonwealth choose to join as well.
If the British were really as evil and oppressive as you believe, why would they choose to be a part of the commonwealth?
It is because that we are a family of nations, that while we have had our differences, we act together to support each other politically, financially and militarily if necessary.
What other former empire in the world had good relations with the countries that made up that empire? The answer: none.
Tell me, Max. Just what does Argentina hope to gain by it's constant lies regarding the Falklands?
Just who would come to Argentina's assistance? Chile? Brazil? Venezula?
The truth is none of them. You have a fecked economy and no real friends, just a group of countries that throw you a bone every now and then, and laugh at how pathetic your government is behind your backs.
1 Why shouldn't the Argentine claim be time barred?
No law as far as I know on this. But, its comical after 180 years of people living happily in the FI for Argentina to demand them. Think of the implications.
2 Aren't the islands involved too far from the mainland to be considered a natural part of Argentina?
Yes, by international law to have a claim the islands must be less than 200 miles away from your coast, which the FI are not. But even so, the US - Bahamas, India - Sri Lanka, Italy - Malta, some of the many examples where this doesn't apply.
'1 If Self determination is the basis for your claim why should the Falklands be the unit that makes the determination rather than the Islands plus the Argentine mainland?'
Not sure what you mean. But have a look at the following...
UN Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960. Section 2 of Resolution 1514 is clear: “all peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development”.
'2 Isn't the population too small to have a right to self determination?'
The FI population is arguably too small for the size of the islands. This is why Argentina still keep bringing the sovereignty matter up. It is possible to ignore 3000 but not 30,000, which would be impossible. Even so, their right to self-determination is unquestionable.
In my opinion no reasonable person would ever take the Argentine side, having read the true facts. This is why Argentina twist history. Read the following.
falklandshistory.org/sites/default/files/false-falklands-history.pdf
The Armed Forces over here are all professional and independent.
but the FLAG should be changed. We have nothing against the union jack
but this is not Gibraltar or the Falklands.We need OUR own flag that represents Australia not Britain......and let´s get rid off this General Governor who does nothing and sits in the middle of one of our most beautiful parks in Melbourne. Don´t get me wrong I love everything English from her HM the Queen to Fish and Chips...but the GG must go!!
sorry old chap!!
The Governor-General is an Australian citizen.
The (elected)Prime Minister recommends to the Queen, who to appoint as GG.
The Queen never questions the PM's choice.
l fail to see how you think that the Aussie's system is not democratic.
@108 argentine sunshine,
Australia has its own flag, mate.
As an Aussie, you should know this.
Why must the GG go? To satisfy Argentina? lol
Who are you going to replace the GG with?
And what will you do with all the State Governors?
You've got more hide than a Rhino, mate.
( the only good thing about it is the southern cross). There have been numerous competitions to design our own flag but nothing has materialised yet. In sporting events the current flag is hardly shown we prefer the boxing kanga ( but you couldn´t have that as a flag..could you?
and our sports colours are green and gold (nothing in common with the flag)
We can replace the GG with a President and disconnect this clownishness
figure.
You're too right about the metric system mate. One of my gripes about my parents is their continual use of the imperial system, whereas I was only ever taught the metric.
@ Max
*Facepalm*, bloody hell mate, try researching a subject before you prattle on. As an Australian, I can assure you that we have our own legal system, flag and defence force. The fact that the Queen is technically our head of state has ZERO impact on Australia's government and policies. Her position is mostly as a figurehead. As for becoming a republic, we've held referendums and decided to remain as part of the Commonwealth. Whether this changes after the current Queen passes, who knows? Personally I can think of arguments for both sides.
Maybe to defend or attack president Cristina from Argentina..ummm
Maybe we shouldn't be too hard on Max. I hear that the Argentinian educational system is a pile of crap where they only 'learn' what the government thinks they should know.
According to the Argentinians, the British Empire is still around, and we - the evil British - are constantly swanning around the world oppressing people such as yourselves.
Now I'm ex-British Army, and I've worked along side some Australian Army soldiers. I thought that we were tough, but your guys are completely nails and I wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of them in a bar fight never mind on the battlefield.
Good guys all of them. Hey if the Argentinians try invading the Falklands again would your guys like to come and play?
Stupid RG child..... the GG doesn't live in Melbourne....... nong.
Maybe we shouldn't be too hard on Max. I hear that the Argentinian educational system is a pile of crap where they only 'learn' what the government thinks they should know.
Speks for yourself,leper....uk is a Brainwashed nation....
uk is FINISHED!
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!1
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
poor deluded ex empire.....
Why all the hysteriaonics? Touched a nerve did I? Poor Malvi, soon to be out of a job, out of money and out of luck, just like the rest of your countrymen.
Never mind, maybe all your allies in South America will do a whip round to raise some money for you...then again, they won't bother as they can see that you have ruined your own country without help from anyone. I'm impressed by that by the way.
Maybe once Argentina is bankrupt, China might start sniffing around again. They are always on the look out for a new province of the People's Republic of China, and let's face it, the Chinese government couldn't do worse than the peronists you and your countrymen keep voting in.
Although under Chinese rule you would all have to work for a living, and not rely on government handouts.
Have a nice day, hope it's not too cold for you, what with the fuel shortage you have, and the strikes and demonstrations taking place.
Jun 09th, 2012 - 01:07 pm
And even if/when Australia becomes a republic they will more than likely still be part of the Commonwealth.
But not ok, for us to have a monarchy.
Why should Australia renew its flag, because one man says it’s to old,
On this very basis, should not Argentina change its flag, as it is older that the Australian one.
And more than one person objects,
Why is democracy so hard for you Argies to grasp?
What is so difficult [freedom of speech votes and rights] do you not understand .
Still, you could be North Koreans we suppose lol
.
'189 years for nothing'
&
'Islanders continued suffering poverty'
FALKLAND ISLANDERS GDP PER CAPITA PER YEAR $35,400
ARGENTINIANS GDP PER CAPITA PER YEAR $16,000
Considering that inflation in Argentina is running at 30% and average wages increasing 5%, Argentinians are starting to feel the pinch...Ouch!
I know where I'd rather be...
Just a soldier viewpoint ....
The all soldiers are the accessories of the system in the world.
www.generaccion.com/noticia/156283/alberto-asseff-no-puede-haber-integracion-politica-sin-integracion-social
This guy is the deputy of BA?? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA seriously.
“Escasea comida en 1 de cada 10 hogares”
(Food scarce in 1 in 10 homes)
Shouldn't CFK have different priorities to her present ones?
Of course, her first and foremost priority is increasing her own treasure.
Just for clarity, can someone in the know explain how the FI immigration policy works?
Also is there a ban on Argentines moving to the FI?
Just another full of shite, deluded Malvinista.
@120 Max (#) Jun 09th, 2012 - 06:04 pm
Of course Argentina is a peace haven and has no soldiers and they wouldn't dream of invading other peoples territory, disputed or otherwise. They would never threaten children at gunpoint only to have those same children call their cowardly bluff. Booby trap schools, raise the flag of surrender and then open fire when the British soldiers come to accept it.
ARA General Belgrano was a Red Cross hospital ship full of school children on a peace cruise when despicable British pirates attacked and sank it. All those children! Who will avenge them? The whole of the South Atlantic and Antarctica belongs to Argentina and the whole of South America AND EVENTUALLY THE WORLD!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! BRITISH PIRATES YOU ARE IS FINISHED WE ARES OWN YOU BASE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ahem.
F*ck off and keep your noses out of our business you spotty little oiks.
There is no starvation in Argentina. If you want to help starving people go to Bangladesh, Vietnam, North and South Korea...you imbecial sueca......remember all argentinians past generations have survived without having supermarkets, hospitals and electrical services.
Have a read of the links below then let know what you think...
falklandshistory.org/sites/default/files/false-falklands-history.pdf
www.nationalreview.com/articles/299154/what-s-wrong-argentina-matthew-shaffer?pg=5
check the comments too.
It means that Argentina' wants to be 'a colonialist country.
When a country like The UK in the past, or Spain for example wanted to take over a country as a colony despite the people in those countries there not agreeing, they were a colonialist countries.
Argentina wants to make the Falkland Islands a colony (it is further than 200 miles away from Argentina), because the indigenous inhabitants wish to rule themselves, not to be ruled by anyone else. Of course, with a small population the Falkland Islanders cannot repel an Argentine invasion, so they choose to be under British protection to prevent colonisation by Argentina. If the Falkland Islanders wished to be Argentinian and the British did not allow them to be so, the British would be colonialist.
I repeat my question. When has the present governor vetoed any decision by the Falkland Islands democratically elected Government?
As well as redescribing the Argentines as would-be colonialists it is accurate to describe them also as former colonialists as they took away land belonging to native indians in the past, against the indigenous people's will to have that land takenaway from them. The Argentines therefore are hypocrits in labelling anyone else as colonialist.
I've often wondered if you actually engage your brain before posting. However given the unremitting nonsense that you keep posting, I would guess that's a no.
Starving people in Vietnam and South Korea? Both extremely successful nations. Bangladesh isn't that badly off either. I'll give you North Korea, but that's their governments doing.
Also everyone in the world survived without supermarkets and electricity for thousands of years, SussieUS, these are recent discoveries/inventions. Hospitals have been around for thousands of years in one form or another, but only in the last century did we make huge advances in medicine.
The problem is, SussieUS, that people get used to having these things, such as electricity, to power their televisions, telephones, heating, cookers and microwaves and their computers.
I'm sure that while you're sitting in the good old US of A, surrounded by luxury, and the people of Argentina suffer, they'll be bolstered by your comments. No not bolstered, I meant annoyed. Annoyed at your hypocritical comments on a situation that YOU are not facing, but you expect them all to suffer for your 'greater, cause.
Your comments are just silly and ill-conceived, aren't they? A case of not engaging your brain before you post.
state governor lives in Melbourne with other trolls living in the other
states.....shit!!
SussieUS is a whackjob,
Even arch-turnip Think got angry with her/him/who knows what it is.
l won't reply to anymore of its posts.
The article in the Nación entitled “Escasea comida en 1 de cada 10 hogares” is probably erring on the conservative side.
An ONG which my wife and I support on a weekly basis provides cooked food daily to over 270 children in a barrio of 150 houses. That is about 270:750.
Argentina meat consumption ( Beef/Pig/Poultry/Mutton/Fish) is = 92 kg/per person yearly..........
UK meat comsumption (Beef/Pig/Mutton/Fish) is = 78 kg/per person yearly.
Obviously that The British admin should foster its youth by more protein foods ,perhaps to made them more intelligence comments here
Maybe you are unaware of the corelation of eating “red meat” and the incidence of bowel cancer. The medical profession are campaigning to get people to eat less meat.
If you use your statistics on the consumption of meat then the populations of India, China and Japan must be less intelligent than that of Argentina !
I don't think that this would stand up to scrutiny.
They are all Asian societies...having spesific social perception reflexes.
60 kg/per person yearly meat consumption is enough.
I thought you were making progress, but you seem to have relapsed.
Thought of trepanning yet - it may let the bad spirits out....(ha ha ha).
chubut.lanoticia1.com/noticia/200-colegios-provinciales-denominaran-a-una-de-sus-aulas-las-malvinas-son-argentinas%E2%80%9D-17800.html
I think you are due for an upgrade from nong to drongo.
Darn it Frank, you beat me to it. l was going to call him a drongo.
Nong & drongo are my cousin's favourite adjectives, along with others that l'd better not repeat here!
l guess l'll have to settle for calling the idiot fake :-
“a moth eaten, flyblown, grub-ridden, bloody galah, that doesn't know if his arsehole has been kicked out, punched out or eaten out by bloody whiteants!”
He is persistant, l'll say that for him.
Come on out son, tell us your true nationality and come on side to speak the truth and hit CFK and co for six.
I don't know what the governments official policy is. I'm not sure if we'd volunteer forces unless specifically asked. On a related note, I read an article in the 'Navy League of Australia' magazine suggesting that as Australia and Britain develop closer defence ties, the Falkland islands are the closest, and thus ideal location for joint exercises between the RAN and the RN. It also suggested taking a more active involvement with the islands over the prospect of oil, given that our primary sources are in the 'less than stable' Middle East.
@Aussiesunshine #all of your posts
Pipe down mate, you're giving the rest of us a bad name on here.
Maybe the drongos on this site should pipe down but don´t
tell me to pipe down!! It is not in my nature.
They think just because we are aussie we have to dance to their tune!!
well!! keep on dreaming. no f***** aussie is going to pipe down........
We agree,
Don’t reply to Suzy anymore,
We won’t either.
Others should no either,
Then perhaps he or she will go away .
.
As you know Britain always has pale,foggy weather
probably they are not accustomed to sunshine...
Not always old chap.
l got sunburnt once in England.
Admittedly l am very pale, but it hurt nevertheless.
@147 argentine sunshine,
Yes, pipe down, mr wouldbe Aussie.
You're a raving ratbag, mate.
Thanks for the thoughtful response. Space limits prevented me from explaining as much as desirable about my views on self determination. They are strongly influenced by events of Civil War and Reconstruction in my country (USA).
1. For purposes of the time bar issue I assume that Argentina's claims about what occured in 1833 are true and correct. International law is fairly new and not as developed as Common Law or Civl Law codes of individual nations. The time bar is similiar to a statute of limitations or laches in equity (laches is closer). I certainly agree that 180 years is definitely enough (I think 50 years is on the long side of reasonable).
2 A reasonably strong counter argument exists based on being on the continental shelf.
With regards to self determination:
I live in Washington state USA. My self determination unit is the USA as a whole not my state. Self determination can be used either to claim independence or to hold a nation togeather against forces of disunion.
Europeans tend to concentrate on the independence side. Americans tend to concentrate on holding the nation togeather (understandable given the events of 1861-1877 in our country).
I don't think that low population is an absolute bar to self-determination but it is certainly a weakening factor. If a distinct population of 3,000 somewhere in the world was being subjected to crimes against humanity I would support their right to self determination, I don't think this standard would be met here.
In short:
1 UK was probably wrong in 1833 (remendy is time barred) 2. Argentina was wrong in 1982. 3. Today both are part right.
UK should get the land areas of the FI. The claimed FI economic zone is wrong for the same basic reason that Argentina's claim is time bared, it isn't reasonable.
Given the population of FI a 12 mile limit seems generous. Most of the extra claim would be international waters, if within 200 miles of mainland would be Argentina zone.
Regardless of your continuous attempts to paint history to align with what you learned in an Argentine school, History shows the UK wasn't wrong in 1833. We had been there for a long time, and the sovereignty discussions at the time were with Spain and not any of it's colonies, not Uruguay, not Chile, not Paraguay and certainly not Argentina. Argentina just decided it wanted the islands in 1833, and that's not an indication of ownership.
Again your statement about invading someone's land by force in 1982 is aligned with what you learned at an Argentine school, and yes, their/your invasion was morally wrong, which is why you still celebrate it..
A 12 mile limit around the Falklands is just ridiculous. I don't know where you Argentines get off telling lies about where you come from, but it's not for you to go against international law and dictate who owns what. That is determined the UN and the current EEZ agreement is 200 miles, not 12.
Get back to your bed of lies, Argentine.
These people have been tossed out of the Islands at least three times in their history and yet they still don't get it, the Falkland Islands do not belong to them and that reasonable people and nations regard their pathetic antics and posturing with a mixture of pity and concern for the damage that they are inflicting upon the Falkland Islanders.
I can never understand the Argentine's assertion that because the UK left the Falkland Islands (due to needing forces in USA) in 1774 (please correct me if that is wrong), that the UK's continued claim was defunct, but that the Spanish claim was valid when they too left the Islands in 1816 (correct me if I am wrong). The Argentines maintain that the UK can have no claim after leaving in 1774. However, the Argentines were only really on the Islands during April -June 1982, (as opposed to an equally short stay by UP of the RP), and it is doubtful that a political presence (as opposed to commercial activity sanctioned by the UK government), was ever there except for the UPotRP military fron November 1832-January 1833 (the presence of which was protested by the UK). Now, if no presence on the islands after 1774 made a UK claim defunct ( according to Argentina), by their same logic how can an Argentine NON presence, until April-June 1982 generate a territorial claim?
Another case of Argentinian duplicity .
If anyone still doubts I'm from USA I have the following question. Why do you British and Argentines call soccer football? (I realize I'm being a little silly here as the ball gets kicked a lot more often in your type of football than in American Football).
Why would an Argentine bring up laches? The idea behind this equity doctrine is why the Argentine claim to the land area of the Islands is invalid today (my own opinion is that the Argentine claim lapsed about 1883).
Maybe because I'm from the USA, I'm inclined to side with the revolutionary new world republic against the evil old world empire in 1833.
Who was right in 1833 isn't very important because as of today I think the Islands belong to the UK.
I also think that Islands with small populations should get territorial waters but not a EEZ.
What the UK is trying to do in the South Atlantic is about the same as what China is trying to do in the South China Sea (turn international waters into their EEZ). I don't wish sucess for either claim.
I hope my next comment gets some response from Argentines.
While I don't think your country's actions constitue a blockaid they are a type of trade embargo. The USA has had a trade embargo against Cuba for 50 years. In my opinion the USA has a legal right to do this but I think it is a very dumb policy. Why should you expect your trade embargo to be more sucessful than our's against Cuba?
www.StopFundingArgentina.org
Anyone reading this outside of Argentina sign THE FORM NOW.
To British:
Point 1
Because the Falklands never have been part of Argentina. Also, self determination isn't the basis on which UK sovereignty was established, but it is the only basis on which it should be relinquished.
Point 2
Independence isn't the only way a territory can exercise self determination.
There are 4 ways a territory can exercise self determination.
1 independence
2 integration with a state, be it the metropolitan state or another state
3 free association with a state, be it the metropolitan state or another state
4 any other arrangement freely entered into by the people of the territory
This 4th one is the arrangement the Falklands have with the UK
The following are territories with smaller populations than the Falklands that are or where on the UN's list of NSGTs
Pitcairn Islands 48
Tokelau 1433
Cocos (Keeling) Islands 596
Niue 1444
Cocos was removed after voting to integrate with Australia, and Niue after voting for free association with New Zealand, Tokelau has twice had a vote on free association, but in both cases did not reach the necessary 2/3 majority.
-In both cases I think that point 1 is a much more significant weakens to the relative claims than point 2.
See my answer to point 1
-I also think that Islands with small populations should get territorial waters but not a EEZ.
I doubt they' ll be willing to give them up.
-What the UK is trying to do in the South Atlantic is about the same as what China is trying to do in the South China Sea (turn international waters into their EEZ). I don't wish sucess for either claim.
Unless China is claiming the islands in the South China sea are OTs which, though under Chinese sovereignty, are not part of China and, therefore, have a status separate from China, and the resources in the OTs EEZ(s) belong to the OTs and not to China, it is not quite the same thing at all.
“I also think that Islands with small populations should get territorial waters but not a EEZ.”
You simply can't base territorial waters and EEZ's on population size.
For example the UK is a small island but has a larger population than Argentina, so with your system the UK would be entitled to a larger EEZ - and China would end up with most of the sea!
What would happen if the Falklands population grew ? - Would Argentina then have give the Falklands some of it's EEZ? (hahahahahhaha)
Don't forget the FI's immigration policy is effectively controlled by the UN to stop Argentina, UK or anyone else unduly influencing the people or outcome of Self-Determination.
I have mentioned many times the bloody rubbish english people are not worldwide. I ate them.
If Argentina is “bad” why the english people residing in my country don't pack their bags and leave...?
If Argentina is a “corrupt” country and invaded the islands...why the UK PM DAVID CAMERON demands a diplomatic relationship with Argentina?
The Islanders have a choice to seek cooperation from Chile ports, but to BLAME ARGENTINA FOR TRYING TO IMPOVERISH THE ISLAND ... CRYING LOUD...IS SIMPLE RETARDATION
You eat people!
Shame on you.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 04:45 pm
I thought the canibal in Miami was a man, it must have been SussieUS!!!
Maybe it's a disease that catching? ;0)
THE LATEST NEWS ABOUT UKPM CAMERON SAY IT ALL, I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR HIM TO STOP DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH ARGENTINA, BUT HE CANNOT...HE IS LOOSER DRUNK.. THE UK IS HORRIFIED ABOUT STONE FACE CAMERON MENTAL STATUS...NOT REMEMBER TO TAKE HIS DAUGHTER WITH HIM...I NOTICE HE IS SCARE, CONFUSSED AND CANNOT LONGER SPEAK IN HIS LANGUAGE WELL...FORTY SIX YEARS OLD AND ALREADY A LOOSER...CAN ANY OF YOU CAN SUGGEST A REMEDY FOR THIS WHIMP?
At least he doesn't admit to being a cannibal like you do.
Don't you think that the argentine government should focus its attention on pressing concerns, such as the economy instead of constantly talking about an issue that isn't pressing? I mean it's been 180 years, surely it could wait a little longer while CFK sorts out the economy.
Oh, that's right. CFK doesn't want to sort out the economy does she?
i wont,
Sussius....you are rigth;
If he can leave her daugther, well, he can leave 2000 people 13000km away-
Regards !
Until there is a definite holding by the International Court of Justice to the contrary or someone can convince me there is a good reason to allow a EEZ to small populations territories, I think the law should be that they don't get one. I don't believe the issue has been litigated so I would consider it unsettled.
I'm not saying this is a settled rule of law, it is just what I think the rule should be. My own opinion on what population should be required is as follows:
1. If all EEZ's have to be 200 miles I think that the qualifying populations size should be 100,000.
2. I'd prefer a sliding scale where the minimum population would be 25,000 at which point the EEZ would be 25 miles. At each 25,000 multiple the EEZ size would go up 25 miles till at 200,000 it would be 200 miles.
The Falklands wouldn't get one under either rule. If the frist rule was adopted it would take a population of 100,000 if the second rule the minimum would be 25,000 (islanders not military personell).
Then it's a good job that you don't make the rules, isn't it? The rules are being followed out in and around the Falklands, and remember that the people of the Falklands and Argentina had a treaty of cooperation regarding the fishing zones and oil exploration, until Argentina decided that they wanted it all, and walked out unilaterally abandoning the treaty.
It's no use them complaining now, several years later, is it?
Regarding the ICJ, the UK has invited Agentina to take this dispute to them on 3 seperate occasions. Each time Argentina has refused.
If their case really is that strong, why did they refuse? Is it because they know that the majority of the 'facts' they spout are nothing more than made up lies?
Not only that, but whenever they (Aregentina)have gone to the ICJ garding other issues (Beagle Channel dispute), they have said that rulings that go against their position are not legally binding on Argentina. So they are unwilling to follow international law unless it's in their own interests.
Besides, the Argentine illegal invasion in 1982, destroyed any hope they had of winning the Islanders over to their side. Imagine it Rollo, someone invades your home, tells you that you can no longer speak your native language, forces you to drive on the opposite side of the road, threatens you by holding a pistol to your head and pulling the trigger on an empty chamber, and tosses anti-personnel mines randomly out of helicoptors without marking their positions (which is against the laws of armed conflict), and finally when they realised they were losing booby-trapped the desks in the school!
If someone did that to you and your people, would you be willing to talk to them over sovereignty? Especially when they refuse to acknowledge that they did anything wrong?
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