Monday, June 11th 2012 - 04:52 UTC

Spain separates fishing dispute with Gibraltar from any sovereignty discussions

Spanish Foreign Minister José Manuel García-Margallo said over the weekend that the solution to the fishing dispute was separate to any discussion on the sovereignty of Gibraltar or its waters.

Garcia-Margallo: “it is evident that vessels from both flags must use” the disputed waters

In a statement that echoed the position expressed last week following his meeting with his British counterpart, William Hague, García-Margallo said the dispute was a problem of cooperation “at an inferior level to sovereignty”.

Garcia-Margallo was speaking while Gibraltar officials and Spanish fishermen were holding technical talks working toward a solution to the row.

“The British maintain that the waters are theirs, we maintain that they are our waters, and this discussion is going nowhere,” he said.

“Whoever waters they are and I say they are Spanish, it is evident that vessels from both flags must use them”.

Representatives from Gibraltar Government’s Fishing Commission met last Saturday with La Linea-Algeciras cofradias (fishermen associations), the first of the joint technical working group set up by Chief Minister Fabian Picardo to find a solution to the current fishing conflict.

Ahead of the meeting the Spanish fishermen spokesman Pedro Maza stated that the dispute with the Gibraltar Government is not about fishing but a political one and complained that the majority of members in the Rock’s commission are non-governmental organisations and environmentalists “who defend interests that are very different to those of the fishermen”.

He said his position will be one that advocates a sustainable approach to fishing and not detrimental to the environment.

“I am all in favour of dialogue and finding a solution but when the other side defends the rights of the ‘jurel’ and we defend the persons who want to fish that ‘jurel’, reaching an agreement is not easy,” he said.

He said that the fishing methods used by the Campo fishermen are “regulated by the European Union” while declaring that this is the main argument used by the Gibraltar Government to restrict their activities.

The ongoing dispute was sparked off when the new GSLP/Liberal Government abolished the Fishing Agreement of 1999 negotiated by the previous GSD administration, which had granted the RG Police flexibility and discretion in the application and policing of the Gibraltar Nature Protection Act of 1991.
 

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1 STRATEGICUS (#) Jun 11th, 2012 - 09:47 am Report abuse
Spain is not in a very strong bargaining position at the moment .They are a class act compared to Argentina but for Rajoy to say that the bailout is a triumph for the Euro makes you blink with disbelief.
2 GeoffWard2 (#) Jun 11th, 2012 - 11:15 am Report abuse
No, we should remember that it is not Spain - or its fishermen - that are going bust, it is just a few Spanish banks needing a spare $100 billion to see them over a little hiatus. Hmm.

Once this allows business as usual, the minor problems of
(i) ownership of territory (“ceded to Britain ”in perpetuity” under the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713),
(ii) and the associated marine provinces
can be passed to the ICJ (i) and marine rights restated via the L.o.t.S. Conventions and the EEC/CFP (ii).
I'll bet Spain never though it would be so easy!
3 Conqueror (#) Jun 11th, 2012 - 01:03 pm Report abuse
Let's look at this matter in all its simplicity. Gibraltar was ceded to Britain in perpetuity in 1713. Despite Spain's “argument” that Gibraltar has no territorial waters because they are not mentioned in the Treaty of Utrecht, what they “conveniently” forget to mention is that nowhere had territorial waters in the sense the term is understood today. Spain is, of course, teetering along the brink. And losing credibility all the time. Gibraltar “got” territorial waters when Spain did. And yet Spain sends its “fishermen” (yeah, right) and its armed paramilitary terrorists (Guardia Civil) into sovereign British Gibraltar Territorial Waters, onto the shores of Gibraltar and even through the streets of a British Overseas Territory!

So, no, Spain, and Garcia-Margallo, cannot separate the fishing “dispute” from sovereignty. Spaniards are intruding into British territory. They want to have the “right” to fish in British Gibraltar waters using methods that are illegal in Gibraltar and have destroyed fish stocks in their own waters.

No doubt the Government of Gibraltar has been told that now is not a good time for a war with Spain. Perhaps if we just sank a few “fishing” and Guardia Civil intruding vessels just inside BGTW?
4 Tammbeck (#) Jun 11th, 2012 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
It's good to see some moderation from Margallo for a change - he deserves some restrained praise for that. I'm sure Gibraltar hasn't got a problem with Spanish boats using Gibraltar's coastal waters, as long as they respect Gibraltar laws.
But the Margallo/Hague position can only be a temporary truce. Spain and Britain should jointly take the waters issue to the European Court, and build a permanent settlement on the outcome.
5 briton (#) Jun 11th, 2012 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
Now he shoots us, with his silly pruned , finger guns,
Silly twit .
6 UKOwnsArgentina (#) Jun 11th, 2012 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
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7 Betelgeuse (#) Jun 12th, 2012 - 12:05 am Report abuse
It is beside the point to refer to the treaty of Utrecht as this treaty created the British colonial enclave in the first place. Moreover, British occupation of the isthmus and its failure to implement a number of its provisions means that the UK is in breach of the treaty.

It's a bit rich for you to claim that the UK can ignore international law by relying on a treaty which it has itself invalidated by its own actions.

The Convention on the Law of the Sea is not applicable to Gibraltar precisely because it is currently subject to a process of decolonization in which only relevant resolutions adopted by the United Nations General Assembly are applicable.
8 GeoffWard2 (#) Jun 12th, 2012 - 09:51 am Report abuse
Betel,
you introduce new information.
I should like to see it and test it.

(i) Would you give source, and
(ii) outline which failures to implement the provisions of Utrecht are being invoked and by whom, and
(iii) indicate why this invalidates - overrides - the 'in perpetuity' Treaty.

(iv) Indicate why you think that the Convention on the Laws of the Seas does not apply to Gibraltar with its Treaty, de facto occupation by historically long-standing resident communities, and its rights under the provisions of Protectorate.

For your information:

Decolonisation is NOT 'in process' - whatever the C24 might think.

The UNGA is NOT the sole voice of authority in this matter;

the UN, itself, uses the ICJ as its legal arbiter.

There are also other considerations on governing and non-governing protectorates and disputed ownerships that are way beyond the scope of the UN to manage and control. For instance, the Great Powers and real politik; and not least, in this case, the European Community.

No, Betel, the UNGA is not the only applicable agency.

And I look forward to your replies on my (i) - (iv) questions.
9 Conqueror (#) Jun 12th, 2012 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
@8 I'm leaving this to you for the time being. But it's worth noting that Gibraltar is part of a sovereign State. The Convention on the Territorial Sea and Contiguous Zone applies to sovereign States. The median line between the Spanish territorial sea and the BGTW has been drawn in accordance with Article 12 of the Convention.
10 GeoffWard2 (#) Jun 13th, 2012 - 09:03 am Report abuse
C #9

I think it is important to get these points from Betel him/herself, hence the questions.

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