Falkland Islanders views “do matter” PM Cameron warns Argentina
UK Prime Minister David Cameron praised the planned Falkland Islands referendum over its sovereignty as he warned their views “do matter” and told Argentina not to ignore them.
During Wednesday’s question time at the House of Commons PM Cameron was asked by Conservative MP Nigel Adams to remember “those who fell 30 years ago” to recapture the Falkland Islands, “and to oppose any further World Bank loans to Argentina.”
“Argentina continues to dispute for the sovereignty over the Islands and also continue to receive billions of pounds from the UK through the World Bank,” MP Woods said.
“Will the Prime Minister join President Obama in instructing his officials to vote against any more such loans to Argentina?”
Mr Cameron replied: “I think he makes an important point. No British taxpayers' money is spent on World Bank loans to Argentina; I think that is an important point”.
”But I think even more important is what happened yesterday (Tuesday) where the Falkland Islanders have decided that they are going to hold a referendum to demonstrate that they believe in self-determination and I think it's so important, because Argentina is continually trying to hide this argument and pretend the views of the Falkland Islanders don't matter, and they do matter”, emphasized PM Cameron.
“I hope the Falkland Islanders will speak loudly and clearly and Argentina will listen”.
The Falkland Islands Government announced on Tuesday it would be holding a referendum next year on the political status of the Falklands to clearly express Islanders views and counter Argentina’s misleading rhetoric including that “we are held hostage by the UK military”.
“We are holding this referendum not because we have any doubts about who we are and what future we want, but to show the world just how very certain we are about that” underlined Gavin Short spokesperson for the Falklands’ Legislative Assembly.
The referendum will be organised in the first half of 2013 by the Falklands Government that will invite independent, international observers to follow the process and verify its outcome.
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If the British media had any viscera, that would be the first question posed.
But their press is the joke of the world, so I guess some argie news organization will have to ask him.
Keep going Gus - a busy day :-)
Still if Chagos is what you want then that means moving the Falklanders / taking away their right to self determination is not what you want
I'm sure the Falklanders thank you for their support :)
UK Prime Minister David Cameron praised the planned Falkland Islands referendum over its sovereignty as he warned their views “do matter” and told Argentina not to ignore them.
AHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAH
cameron: YOU are a crook!
Just how much money you have made with MAlvinas oil scam???
david: You are VOMITIVE prick!
Of course. Unlike you British, I'm consistent and an honorable man. I support the Falklanders self-determination.
Something you can never be, since you are British.
Anyway enjoy your merry-go-round of drivel, Divots!
You Argies haven't got a clue . You are only good at telling lies ,lies and even more lies .You dont even bother to half get your facts right whether it is the Falklands or the Chagos.All you need to do is look at Wikipedia for a reasonably accurate history of these places.
As for Alicia spouting her stuff I thought the British attacks on the Spanish forces in 1806 and 1807 in Buenos Aires were part of a wordwide war against the French and their( coerced) allies which ultimately lead to the 'liberation' of Latin America from Spanish and Portuguese rule. Britain played the major external part in that Liberation in many ways but no thanks from Argentina.
The same is true about 1982; when Britain liberated the Falkland Islands it also liberated 28 million Argentinians from the junta but again no thanks for that.
These are the same ungrateful Argentinians who did not have anything to do with the junta even though a quarter of a million were cheering in front of the Casa Rosada when Galtieri was doing his walkabout.If Argentina can murder 30,000 of its own people without too much fuss the 1800 on the Falklands would have been no problem to dispose of if Mrs Thatcher had not sent the Task Force to protect 'our people'.
The biggest problem for Argentina is that it tells lies to itself and believes them and tells the same lies to other people and is surprised when they don't believe them.
I can't be bothered banging my head against the Argie brick wall any more. All I can do is have a good laugh at Argentina's childish antics.
You are the biggest liar here by a MILE. You have yankeeboy easily beat.
You are a pathetic piece of garbage. To claim Britain liberated Latin America.... absolutely no single solitary historical source has, does, or will ever write or claim that. You just invented that out of thin air, LOL. It was Argentina that liberated a large portion of Latin America, and the history easily corroborates this.
The British attacked the CIVILIANS of Buenos Aires, virtually all of whom had never set foot in Spain and whom already were quite removed from the Spanish and stirring self-government, and it was the civilians that completely and utterly humiliated you Strategicus. You know why? The Spanish had pretty much left the city undefended, since they were far more preoccupied with other more important areas of Empire (like the Pacific, for example).
The British has come from their glorious conquest of South African and thought they could repeat the feat in the Rio de la Plata. The world's greatest military at the time high-tailed it like cowards against a rag of civilians with boiling oil.
You Brits are desperate for grandiosity... you are so consummately comtemptible. :)
Cowards is a strong word coming from an RG. I Seem to remember a war in the 1980's when a country ran like little girls when a much smaller military squashed them.....blah blah
I believe you know the rest and the cowardly nation i am referring to!
The problem with you Argies is that you cannot focus your eyes away from your own navel. That is why despite being the 8th largest country in the world with large mineral and land resources you will never amount to anything on the world stage and are not even a patch on your 'Mother Country' of Spain.
At least when Britain had wars with Spain they were real wars and not the 'crybaby' war of 1982.
Big tough Argentina with 28 million people attacks 1800 people on the Falklands defended by 70 Royal Marines , gets its arse kicked and then has not stopped crying since to anybody who half pretends that they are listening.
As for reading Argentine versions of history they are works of fiction. You cannot believe a word; like the INDEC figures.
I don't think they get proper Wikipedia in Argentina. When they click on a Wiki link they are re-directed to Argepedia. They probably have a Googltina search engine too. I can't think of any other reason for their inability to face reality when presented with facts.
The British people can only have a referendum when the government are guaranteed the result they want.
Can we vote Mr Cameron?
Dont be stupid all your life.....take a day off!!
Let you have a vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you an Falklander?????????
Happy liberation day. www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6LVI1gDswg
Maximo must have woken from his hospital slumbers and ordered an offensive. Sadly for them the tide is not in their favour, their argument that the views of the Falklanders do not matter because they have only been there longer than most Argentines and they didn't exterminate the indigenous population, is seen to not hold water by anyone with half a brain.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
enjoy the read about the tens of thousands of dead Argentinians :(. that had there rights to self determination taken away because there disagreed with the administration. or because of no real reason at all
really pales in comparison really
god rest their souls
Conquest of the desert, Conquest of the desert, Conquest of the desert
jajajajaja RG ethnic clensing , George Galloway jajajajaja
Why are the Argentines obsessed with the principle that the Mauritians shouldn't have moved them to somewhere habitable? Is there nothing more to Argentines that watching Black Africans dehydrating on beaches until they are parched corpses? What would they have said about the British then?
The fact is, history shows the falklands peoples were never removed. This is a fact, and Diego Garcia issues have no bearing on the Falklands. I'm sure if the Falklands had no water, they would also be moved... like South Georgia.
Anyways, why are we letting La Campora distract us from their love of invading and their hatred of their own native populations?
“But the overwhelming and growing mood of resource nationalism in South America, and a genuine desire to right past colonial wrongs, should also figure in the balance.”
Whilst this is admirable and colonialism was wrong, if the past rights of colonialism are to be righted then it must be across the board in the whole of South America, not just the Falklands. Thus, negotiations can only be entered into simultaneously as negotiations regarding every disputed area in South America, including the disputed border between Argentina and Chile etc, etc, etc...
Also, all the best to your representatives in New York and do hope they receive a fair hearing from what is a third-world like committee. Will CFK have the decency to show the Falkland Islands representatives some respect during this meeting....or will it all prove too much for her to cope.
As to the Malvinistas and supporters of CFK.....anyone familiar with this webpage would know that you guys have no interest in a sensible discussion. It's a pity....Argentinians, despite having 40 million inhabitants, could learn a lot about good governance from the Falklanders.
I agree, they could learn a lot from the Falkland Islanders as regards good government. But, on the other hand, are they capable of putting that into practice? The fact that they have repeatedly voted for the corrupt nationalist populism that is peronism suggestd otherwise.
epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/34551
Some talk of Alexander,
And some of Hercules
Of HECTOR and Lysander,
And such great names as these.
|: But of all the world's great heroes,
There's none that can compare
With a tow, row, row, row, row, row,
TO THE BRITISH GRENADIER :|
Those heroes of antiquity
Ne'er saw a cannon ball
Or knew the force of powder
To slay their foes withall.
|: But our brave boys do know it,
And banish all their fears,
Sing tow, row, row, row, row, row,
For the British Grenadier. :|
Whene'er we are commanded
To storm the palisades
Our leaders march with fusees,
And we with hand grenades.
|: We throw them from the glacis,
About the enemies' ears.
Sing tow, row, row, row, row, row,
The British Grenadiers. :|
Something for you to sit back and enjoy, in La Nacion
www.lanacion.com.ar/1481969-amplia-cobertura-de-diarios-britanicos-al-30-aniversario-del-fin-de-la-guerra
Great photo of our lads on the front page.
It is worth recalling again the Resolution 1514. Article 6 b) “Any attempt aimed at partial or total disruption of national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the Unit”
And in this case refers to what country? In Great Britain or the Republic of Argentina? The Falkland Islands are NOT a country ...
And when the siege is over,
We to the town repair
The townsmen cry, “Hurra, boys,
Here comes a Grenadier!”
|: Here come the Grenadiers, my boys,
Who know no doubts or fears!
Then sing tow, row, row, row, row, row,
The British Grenadiers. :|
@1 Argentine press you mean the 80% of it which is funded and controlled by the government and a country in which journalist in Argentina have stated there is constant government intervention to prevent the publsihing of antio government stories. Your argument is that because the country made a mistake with Chagos we should make the same mistake with the Falklands.
Let me make it plain to state that the islanders (the islanders not the UK government) have no right to calling a refurendum and that there views are not importent is statement which is counter to the ideas of democracy, freedom, self determination and is therefore is compeltly against the charter and spirt of the UN and the views of the vast majority of the world. If a population which has lived in the Falklands since 1833 (and British history in the Islands pre dates this by a conserible margin) has no right to self determination, then the european imigrants to Patagonia (conqured in 1870s) also have no right to self detremination as they are an implanted population (by the defifntion of the Argebtine argument). Given that the 1994 constituion placed the Falklands as a terrotory of Tierra De Fuego (not an argentine province until approxiamtly half a century after 1883) thuis would mean that as the people of Tierra de Fuego (as an implanted population) have no right to excerise self determination over the Falklands and therefore their views do not matter. Taking that in 1833 Argentina consisted of Bs As and other smaller cities around the Rio Plate, the Falklands were approxiamtly 1,100 miles away and therefore well outside the juristition of the fledging country.
This is the logical extension of the Argentine argument.
What a load of rubbish: the Falklands were NEVER part of Argentina (other than for a brief period in 1982 when they were illegally occupied by Argentina, which does NOT count, so the concept of territorial integrity is completely irrelevant.
And dont quote 1833 because we all know the truth, the Argentine settlement asked British permission to stay on the islands, British permission for a business venture. The permission was asked because it was already UK claimed territory.
How far did the borders of Argentina extend towards the falklands in 1833?? dont think you had cleared the pesky indians out of the rest of the country. So you colonised the rest of the southern section of RG land killing the native population, then set your eyes on the falklands. RG colonists!!!
Lets see if you can learn the words, we are going to test you later!
Then let us fill a bumper,
And drink a health to those
Who carry caps and pouches,
And wear the louped clothes.
|: May they and their commanders
Live happy all their years
With a tow, row, row, row, row, row,
For the British Grenadiers. :|
@6 The money from Falkland Islands oil will go to the Falkland Islanders-not Cameron or the UK. Britain will get benefits like business and jobs but if Argentina had not left UN negotiations they would have had a share in it too, rather than nothing. Argentine decision = Argentine loss.
@1 How many Chagos Islanders were killed by the UK?
How many Argentinians did the Argentinian government kill in the 1970s?
How many Amerindians did the Argentines kill in the 1880s?
I comment your support for self -determination of the Falkland Islanders as @7
@8 What Latin America think about the Falkland Islands is OK as long as it does not threaten their self-determination. It would be ideal for the Falkland Islanders to have a good relationship with Latin America but if they can't because of the Colonialist attitudes of Argentina, then the Falkland Islanders will prosper without latin America regardless.
@13 If it was wrong that the British attacked civilians in Buenos Aires do you believe it was right that apart from 80 Royal Marines,in 1982 the Argentines invaded the civilians in the Falkland Islands, who had NOT ATTACKED Argentina?
@32 According to the UN principles of self determination and de-colonisation a former colony is encouraged to become independent of the colonising country-NOT to be a colony of another country (ie Argentina).
The UK has not partially or totally disrupted Argentine national unity, as the Falkland Islands have been British since 1765, and currently the UK has given the Falkland Islanders increasing self-autonomy which I hope (according to UN rules on de-colonisation) will lead to Independence one day.
@6 Malevolent 01 What he talking about is that there is NO oil and if there was, the UK could not extract it without Argentina's help (logistics etc.). You are missing earlier ramblings. But why respond to this tosser?
Britain will get the cost of it's forces paid. British investors will receive dividends and capital gains which will be taxed in the UK, and so on. Argentina should not and will not get FXXK All.
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100165216/cristina-kirchner-is-being-either-wilfully-stupid-or-actually-stupid-about-the-falklands/
@6 Now, now, farter. Try to keep a lid on it. You might explode!
@7 Don't make me larf.
@8 No, they are ALL that needs to be taken into account. And ALL that WILL be taken into account.
@13 Aaaahhh. Spanish and argie version. Liberation = extermination.
@32 But argieland is just a territory inhabited by gangsters, prostitutes, murderers, homosexuals, rapists etc. You have something to be “proud” of?
Congratulations on achieving a first: the animosity of the Truth Telling Twat (aka Tobias) AND The Scottish Idiot (BK).
Your are obviously doing something right! :o)
It is not their fault and the failing is with us. Our replies are too complex for their simple brains. It would be really helpful to them if we could indicate a score, I like to call it a Dumb Fxxker Score (or DFS), on the value or rationale of the posting. Where (1) might indicate 'a little stupidity' and where (10) might indicate 'you are so thick that your only suitable purpose in life is to spend your time picking paper from the many tips and dumps around Buenos Aires'
As an example, record as '#6 Malevolent 01 - DFS9' before replying.
I assure you that with this feedback we will help these simple minded folk in taking these debates forward and help them to come forward with more meaningful argument rather than with their continued wasted repetition.
Can we give it a try?
This posting should not be scored for those who are thinking about it!
Haha...far superior
I hope this is correct. If it is the Argentines would be stupid enough to see it as a cause to celebrate.
Has MercoPress has reported this correctly?
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/103541/uk-flies-malvinas-flag-outside-number-10-fco-to-mark-liberation-day
Happy Liberation Day.
Apology to MercoPress.
www.taxpayersalliance.com/home/2012/06/stop-funding-argentina-backed-nigel-adams-mp-pmqs.html
The point is that the World Bank is funding Argentina and UK is an effective guarantor of the World Bank. Did DC avoid the question a little?
But none of the UK main stream TV channels seem to have noticed. Neither the BBC or Sky have bothered to schedule any program about the end of that long ago war.
www.worldirish.com/listening-post/view/argentine-president-seeks-irish-support-to-end-united-kingdoms-colonialism-1278
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BniyC33QdjM
Long ago war?
In the history of British collective memory of aggression against it's people it is only moments ago. It will be a fxxking long, long time before we forget the memory of the 255 + 3 people that your country caused their deaths.
you queen and country need you rally to the flag
cant you hear the bugles cant you hear them call
cant you hear you comrades cant you hear them fall
Rally to the charge boys rally to the flag”
True, very true. Which is why the UK will never negotiate anything with Argentina concerning the Liberty of the Falkland Islands. A great many of he British veterans are still in there early fifties, too many of their mates never got to live those extra 30 years. This was yesterday to them and it will be yesterday for them, in another 30 years time. Which is yet another reason why there will never be any negotiations with the Argentines,
Would that be the same Ireland who received a substantial loan from the UK :)....I'm sure the British govt is pissing itself.
Being 1/2 Irish myself.....I can tell you in no uncertain terms.....“away and gin feck yer-self”
Or alternatively come back when you have an opinion you brain dead abortion of an oxygen thief.....
And when the siege is over,
We to the town repair
The townsmen cry, “Hurra, boys,
Here comes a Grenadier!”
|: Here come the Grenadiers, my boys,
Who know no doubts or fears!
Then sing tow, row, row, row, row, row,
The British Grenadiers. :|
I don't measure the importance of an event by its appearance, or not, on a television screen, but rather on its impact on people. The Liberation Day ceremonies and the use of the Falklands Flag over 10 Downing St. and over the Foreign Office impacts on 3140 Falklanders, 27000 veterans and their famillies, 255 famillies of those British servicemen who gave their lives, 66000 Argentine veterans and their famillies, and 649 famillies of those Argentine servicemen who gave their lives in that ridiculous war.
I would say that the news is quite important to a lot of people.
Hows things in London? See that some stories are starting to appear. Sky carried a piece on KFC in New York. Short but quite good I thought.
media Stakeout: H.E. Mrs. Cristina Fernández, President of the Republic of Argentina or Foreign Minister Héctor Marcos Timerman
just found this on the UN website. i wonder why its Cristina OR timerman? (someone going to storm out again)
If that is the parameter, I must be doing too much right.
When I respond, 20 people unite to fight my words. I have had impersonators (literal impersonators, using my name), I have had fawning puppies following me around this place (yankeeboy, greek yoghurt), I now have admiring epigones (Loghorrea Alert).
I am the cynosure of Mercopress.
Can I please move there?
“Brooks to Cameron: 'Speech of your life? Yes we Cam!'
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9331523/Rebekah-Brooks-sent-David-Cameron-text-message-promising-were-in-this-together.html
60 Rhaurie-Se Cagawell
Adam, did you read the first comment on that The Irish Times article?
”Of course the Falklands should be returned to Argentina - they should never have been claimed by Britain in the first place”
63 reality check
it seems like it's beginning to rain, as usual.
The UK governments should percept that Argentina is Mauritius !
Yes, UK PM David Cameron clearly says he has the choice to immediately break diplomatic relations with Argentina instead of celebrating 6/14....but he does not know what he is waiting for....
If you really cared, you would not have partly disarmed us,
You are more interested in saving the bloody stupid euro,
At our expense,
But if France, demanded action against CFK , you would beat him to the switch, would you not,
Just so they did not embarrass you .
Either put up, or keep stoom,
“With a population of around 3000, why does it take so long to organize a referendum in the FI.”
It is not a question of number of voters. The FIG is requesting expert help to make sure the questions asked are not biased and that takes some time.
Were the FIG Argentine it could be done in a day or so:
1. Do you want to belong to Argentina?
2. Do you want to belong to be thrown into the Atlantic from a Hercules plane?
www.facebook.com/Britain1592
@70 Yeah, so?
@72 Your best comment so far. Use this as a template.
@73 Oh look, susana's learned how to turn off the Caps Lock key.
THE ISLANDERS ARE MENTALLY RETARDED THAT IS WHY NO ONE WANTS TO INVEST MILLONS TO BUILD A 5 STAR HOTEL.NO MONIES.NO CLASS. GET THOSE ISLANDS IN YOUR ASS...
When we win your little war on us Argentina, You might change your mind about who is retarded! Our speeches sounded more intelligent than anything Plastic Face ever comes up with! but I guess it will only give you more to cry about!!
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