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Argentina refuses to receive invitation to dialogue from the Falklands’ government
A letter from the Falkland Islands government inviting the Argentine government to enter into a dialogue and which was to be delivered directly to President Cristina Fernandez’ delegation during the Decolonization Committee debate was frustrated by the passivity of the C24 chair and by Foreign Minister Hector Timerman. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesNo surprises here then. The Argies are 'all mouth and no trousers' and that is why nobody takes them seriously,least of all the British.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands appear like a wise old country run by world class statesmen when compared to the volatile bunch of nutters who are running Argentina.
So argentina is now actively handing Britain and the islanders weapons with which to humiliate them in front of the committee?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ingenious!
Arg: We want to talk about the islands.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0FIG: Sure, here's an invite, drop 'round anytime.
Arg: erm, I have, erm, a thing, I have to.. oh, is that the time?
United Nations: that's another 30 minutes we'll never get back X(
What embassy. Oh he means the home for retired air hostesses with dementia.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Time to post this again for the amusement of those that haven't yet seen it:
Jun 15th, 2012 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vys78sGB7Y
@3 Boovis.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0I dunno, it's entertaining watching CFK and the bunch of crooks that call themselves a government, repeatedly humiliate themselves and their country on the international stage.
Of course the Argies wouldn't accept the letter, but it was a brilliant move by the FIG. The Argies are constantly saying that they want to talk, and now they have just shown the world that this is a lie too, they don't want to talk they just want to steal what isn't theirs.
@6: ... and overwhelm the local population of the islands with good hard working Aryan, erm, I mean Argentinian stock.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is amazing, that in one statement she goes on about Humanitarian, implies open arms etc etc, and yet refuses th accept a letter delivered in good faith!!
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did you try by using your local post office?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Danny - in Argentine Spanish, post office is translated as toilet.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0ARG.gov: “Churchill says we should all sit down and listen to everyone”
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0FIG: “Do you want to listen to us?”
ARG.gov: “No”
FIG: “LOL”
#7 if they had good hard working Aryan stock.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina wouldnt be in such a mess .
The islanders would probably be part of argentina and drivimg around in mercs :)
Unfortunatly its full of italian and spanish stock so unlikely to get better any time soon:(
@12 I've said it before and I've said it again. There is something about the 'latin' cultural values or language that just ruins these people.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0They seem incapable of telling any kind of truth.
What this continues to show is that the, present, Argentine government is incapable of that fundamental requisite for good and creative governance: Diplomacy. Sadly for Argentina- which has had numerous offers of improved economic and social relations from the UK and the Falklands- Argentina' s leaders must now scapegoat the latter to maintain weak perspective on its internal troubles.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0A move to democratic processes, however, would be suicidal for this (present...) Argentine government; such processes, if introduced through enforceable laws, would mean a free press and homeland investigative reporting; and that would mean exposure, internationally, of corruption, and the raking up of past misdeeds of some governing personalities. Better to divert attention by misrepresenting the people on the world stage. But that old saying from the US still pertains: 'You can fool all the people some of the time, and some the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.” Abraham Lincoln.
@14 it continues to show that not only are the Argentine government willing to say things in public that are in complete contradiction to their actual beliefs, there are people in this world who are willing to support this sort of behaviour.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0If they're so willing to listen, why do they completely ignore the major stakeholder in this? Bolivia is following the same path with their access to the sea, where they believe that demanding things, and threats actually gets them delivered.
That's not the way we want the world to work.
Stop British taxpayers’ money supporting World Bank loans to Argentina:
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/34551
@16 the petition is nearly at 7'000! good work.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0This was a political master stroke. KFC wants talks, MLA Summers offers an invitation for those talk and the Argentines refuse to accept the letter. Honestly do they think that marginalising and refusing to acknowledge the existence of a people to their face and in the very home of the UN, was a wise move.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0She wanted talks, was offered them and spurned the invite, clever, very clever. 0 out of 10 for diplomatci skills. “Must try harder.”
@18 You would have thought the unbiased chair of the committee from Ecuador would have pointed out that the Falklanders were happy to talk and listen to what the Argentinians had to say. Apparently though, he didn't give a f*ck about the opinions of the Islanders and just wanted to dry hump neo-hitler's leg.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought that the way things went at the 'Itchy & Scatchy Show' (C24) debate was about as expected, what utter fools they are. It made me feel sick looking at CFK as she lapped up the applause of her 90 strong entourage of party faithful. She could not see or be able to comprehend the millions of people about the world watching her make a complete arse of herself, her people and Nation. The FIG and UKG have made their position crystal clear, they have chose to ignore that and furthermore, ignored the islanders wishes that underline that they could not care less about them, so how do you expect the islanders to want anything to do with them at all on any joint interests? Time to withdraw any and all support, be that via the banks, loans, imports & exports etc and see if it hurts them more than it hurts us. THE GLOVES ARE OFF!
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0This letter strikes fear into the hearts of the Argentine ruling elite.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even KFC's drug-fuelled rent-a-crowd were silenced by it's power.
Sadly no matter how logical, historically accurate or morally right the position of either the Falklands or Britain their position will not be supported by members of the committee.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain is viewed negatively by the C24 which due to its membership lacks the capacity to be impartial in its deliberations.
The British and Falklands Islanders should accept the Argentine call for negotiations - but only if the negotiating team is led by the FIG. It will wrong foot Argentina entirely when they suddenly get what they want, but themselves are forced to turn down their own demands.
At worst they will attend and end up storming out of negotiations in a huff when they don't get their own way.
Meanwhile on the international stage, they will re-affirm their inflexibility, unreasonableness and general childishness.
Gee whiz- I read the letter and, although the content conveyed a message, it is truly disappointing to note the number of errors in both style and punctuation.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Someone in FIG needs to learn some English grammar!
Verdane
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought that is what this letter was, an invitation. An opening in to possible further discussion, however, it was just treated with disdain, utterly ignored and treated with contempt, as was the delegation in my opinion. I think they showed fantastic moral courage. There is no way now that Argentina could possibly continue to say that talks are being refused, the offer was there, right in front of them, in the middle of the UN. Than can and will of course state that they do not recognise, in clear breach of the UN charter, the islanders right to self determination and therefor the islanders right to hold talks. A big, very big mistake in my opinion. They attend the UN to put their case whilst at the same time nit picking which rules of that body they recognise.
Hats off to the Falklands delegates and their master class shown at the circus that is the biased Decolonization commitee even if their facts had fallen on mainly deaf ears. The commitees effectiveness has run its course when it no longer recognizes human rights and decolonizes and instead mainly supports colonization regardless of peoples right. what i find so mystifying is the fact that the whole commitee is mainly run by countries with little or no human rights putting their own interests first, i guess this is what happens when the lunatics run the asylum.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well done Falklands, you done yourselves proud.
After some level of growth, it's about time that the Falklands disengaged from this committee.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@edBaron
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Gee whiz- I read the letter and, although the content conveyed a message, it is truly disappointing to note the number of errors in both style and punctuation.
Someone in FIG needs to learn some English grammar!”
Ha ha ha
@24 I suppose to an extent it was. However, I'm suggesting a formal acceptance of negations into Falklands sovereignty by the British government, publicly stated, circulated in the press etc... After all its one of the main issues that they continue to bleat on about.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0As part of our acceptance of course we also stipulating that the British party will be led by the FIG. The ball is in their court to say no (again). Which they will almost certainly have to. The more they do that the more their position is undermined.
It was fascinating seeing the event unfold at the UN. Except for a few supportive countries like Papua New Guinea & Sierra Leone very few clapped the very elegant rep. from the Falkands. Not a single Ist world country was there other than Russia and China. That committee should be disbanded as unrepresentative and was clearly racist. Any belief I had in the UN took knock that day.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@29 I think the Committee knows it exists without remit. That's why the Ecuadorian guy was willing to rearrange all the agenda to ensure that KFC could come on the Liberation Day of the Falklands.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's just poor corrupt latin american countries patting poor corrupt latin american countries on the back for being poor and corrupt.
Interesting to see what Al Jazeera chooses to include and omit in it's report about the debacle:
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/06/2012614222916811148.html
Not what KFC would have hoped for (at a guess)
@31 In response to the questions by Mike Summers.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Q: “Are we in any way less human?”
A: C24, KFC & Argentina say “Yes”
Q: “are we second class people with unequal rights, just because we are not Hispanic?”
A: C24, KFC & Argentina say “Yes”
Q: “are we insignificant because we are too few, free to be abused by a bigger bullying neighbour?”
A: C24, KFC & Argentina say “Yes”
It's quite obvious that Ban Ki Moon hasn't got his house in order and needs to start cracking the whip and slashing some budgets.
Malvinistas are absolutists. There is no such thing as compromise. They want everything and if they cannot have everything then nobody else can either.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0They believe that their view is THE view. The truth. There is no other story, no other opinion no room for compromise.
They want to speak to the British government but will not compromise and 'make a start' at the very least and speak directly to the islanders. No room for compromise.
They 'want every body to sit down and listen', which, translated into MalvInistese reads 'you will sit, we will talk, you will listen, you will give us what we want and we will take it from you'. No room for compromise.
'No room for compromise' is effectively written into their constitution with regard to the islands. Their idea of diplomacy and 'giving peace a chance' is to cajole, threaten, blockade, but then I translated the words into MalvInistese and reads just that. We want we take, give me give me give me, I want I want I want. No room for compromise. Liars, pirates, squatters (but we respect you and your way of life) DIE BRITISH COLONIAL PIGS!!!!!!!!
No room for compromise.
Opinion is polarised between the C24 who has no remit in this dispute and everybody else who is sane and doesn't have an axe to grind. I don't care what the Malvinistas want or say or demand. I care about the Falkland Islanders right to self determination and the UKs ongoing commitment to upholding and defending it.
Yes, South America is up and coming, developing but so too are the Falklands especially as they become more self sufficient and adept at circumventing Argentinian vindictiveness. Only Argentina will be left behind until they start to select sane, responsible administrations and the world and the Falkland Islanders can begin to learn to trust them again.
In the meantime. F*ck em.
Where's all the argie slaggers? Only DB? Have their scripts run out? Is today the day they collect their benefits? Has the electricity been cut off? Are the lights (and the heating) going off all over argieland?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@23 I have also read the letter. You'll have to explain the “number of errors in both style and punctuation”. Do help us “ordinary” people, please.
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DB
Jun 15th, 2012 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This letter could have been written on the back of a beer mat, in wax crayon and signed with a smiley face. It does not detract from the fact that it was an invitation to talks. It was a big mistake to just brush it off. The offer was there and it was treated with contempt. You seem to forget that the UK governement' stance has consistently been that there will be no consultation without the express wishes of the Islanders. Here you have them making a direct approach and you and you ignore , clever, very ferkin clever. '
Hey, I think there was yesterday a flag missing at Cameron`s residence, the pirate flag!!!
Jun 15th, 2012 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bye kelpers! See you soon in Puerto Argentino!!
Good to hear the delegates from Sierra Leone and Papua New Guinea support the Falkland Islanders right to self determination.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not to worry, this is just a way of letting the Islanders know more about life in Argentina - mail very often doesn't get delivered here either.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pirates are cool.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whinging wannabe nazis arnt.
Captain Mike summers not exactly johnny dep :)
Pirates of the South atlantic
Trolling argentina since 1833
Come listen to the rage:)
@29 ...and only 4 RGs at the back of the room stood to applaud KFC......
Jun 15th, 2012 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 037
Jun 15th, 2012 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cool flag, the jolly roger!
There is no Puerto Argentino.
Argentina now want to be on the security council by the sounds of it. God help us. They voted against and stopped Brazil being on it, out of pure jealousy presumably. Britain supported Brazil, and yet Brazil supports Argentine claims to the Falklands. Why ?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK is a permanent member of the security council for the very reason that we can distinguish right from wrong and are not afraid to stand up for what is right. We have to do this on our own in the past and will do it again.
Whilst all these C24 latin Argentine puppet countries fawn over this mad woman and show any appeasement she wishes; and the US as in the past, sits on the sidelines to see how it goes. It is Britain and our closest family (Canada, Australia, and NZ) that will stand up to world bullies and corupt regimes.
Eventually the US will join in (and claim the glory) , and all these toady little timorous latin countries will no doubt one day distance themselves from this and claim to have supported us all along.
It is evil regimes that have no place in our modern world; they must not be appeased. They will not be appeased by Britain ever, despite the opinion of third world countries that only pay lip service to the values of the UN.
It would be good to see more countries openly support UN values, but we can and will champion them alone if we have to.
This C24 debacle shows shame on every country involved in it; on the world community; and on the credibility of the UN itself.
37 - where is Puerto Argentino is it a RG port on the east coast of argentina?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If so you will probably be able to spie our submarines periscope keeping an eye on you all. Any move out of place a torpedo or tomahawk will pay you a visit.
Pirate flag was flown after sinking of belgrano, its a submarine tradition, the also flew itafter sinking your grandfathers U-boats in WW2
This letter seems to have been a stunt in bad faith, the FIG should stop acting as human shields for Britain's refusal to negotiate
Jun 15th, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did anyone bother to wait and see the other 'petitioner' Alejandro Betts?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This turn-coat was born on the Falklands and lived on the family sheep farm but it clearly did not suit him. He then read 'the truth' about the 'Malvinas' and 1833. He felt 'animosity' from the other islanders and when the Junta were kicked out in 1982 he left with them. Left all his family (he now has grandchildren there) and ran for mayor of a small town, Aguas de Oro, in Cordoba in 2007 (iI have no idea if he got in).
All the way through his presentation to the C24 idiots, for that is clearly what they are, he played to their sense of latino solidarity with lies and haf-truths. Aparently he goes every year. This proves he is a stupid as the rest of the Argies if he thinks the C24 is going to get anywhere with the 'give peace a chance' crap spouted by The Mad Bitch of Argentina herself.
I thought I detested the Malvanistas, I was wrong: I hate the bastards with a vengeance now.
23 RedBaron
The letter does not have any errors that I can detect: style is subjective and who cares what you (obviously an Argie sympathiser) think?
With regard to punctuation; it suited the style. The Falklanders are much better at setting out their position than any of the so called Argentine 'ministers', for example Arturo Putridjelli your wop Defence Minister whose statements are invariably childlike and nothing but lies. Nuclear submarine: ha ha ha. Check his nonsensical claim for yourself.
@45 Really? Really? Is that what you think? [I didn't read your comment]
Jun 15th, 2012 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46 I listened to the bitter old man telling everyone about how he abandoned his family and wife and kids in order to be the fingerman of the invading forces/military junta. Clearly in Argentina this kind of person is the backbone of their society. Whereas in the UK, we typically frown upon people with no moral structure and cast them asunder.
He goes every year because he's old and bitter and towards the end of his life his demons have come to find him out. He's lost the opportunity to be a father and a husband to someone he turned on in 1982 as he colaborated and turned traitor. Now his only recompense is his annual attempt to justify his decision making and try to align reality with his belief that Argentina should sh!t all over the Falklander's freedoms.
It was more than a bit pathetic to watch. Sad old man.
CFK's statement yesterday to the c24 “We just want to sit down and talk”
Jun 15th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I find this hard to believe when you wouldnt even accept an invitation to do just that. Once again the Argentine governemnt says one thing to the UN and then shows their true colours throught their actions.
We w
The thing about Alejandro Betts
Jun 15th, 2012 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(http://en.mercopress.com/2007/01/29/former-islander-running-for-mayor-in-cordoba-village) is that he has the right to do what he wants and say what he wants.
In a democratic society there are always people that hold polar views to one another.
All the Argentines need to do is find about 1,500 other islanders with similar views and the Falklands will be theirs.
How about some flat screen TVs and a plane load of bananas to start with? Anyone else want to add anything to the gift list to Santa?
Sadly despite the bollix the c24, gives, the facts are,
Jun 15th, 2012 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They don’t recognise you, they won’t listen to you,
And as far as they are concerned, you don’t exist,
And as far as [we] are concerned, that goes for most of this out dated corrupt dictatorship,
The Falklands do not exist,
Will not exist, as long as you remain British, but the moment you become argentine, you will be accepted in south America, and by the C24 , and by brazil Chile Syria Iran , north Korea ,
Cuba, mr Hugo the bear ., Bolivia and Peru , hell , prisons ,
And the shifty list goes on,
We say, would you guys really miss them, by not being argentine fodder,
Being British is best ,
So just ignore the rest .
.
@49 What about a solid gold chair made out of swastikaed SS gold like Maximo sits on when he goes everywhere.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0... oh, and some of his cream buns.
These islands settlers ( mostly soldiers) first should internalize that these islands only the part of UK neither autonomous nor free...so it can't be interlocutor to Argentina.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0? ek erk ??
Jun 15th, 2012 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53 Did you understand @52?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 052 MurkyThink
Jun 15th, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You might want to have another go at that comment as it makes no sense whatsoever - assuming it is in English?
Alexander BETTS changed his first name to the Spanish version Alejandro, all he needs to do now is change his surname to the Norwegian version QUISLING.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shame really, because both of his brothers fought bravely with the Task Force.
@52 translation
Jun 15th, 2012 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The islands settlers ( mostly soldiers) in 1833 should have realize that these islands are the part of UK neither autonomous nor free...so it can't be part of Argentina.
45
Jun 15th, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gosh you do talk a load of silliness, even for an old, blind, love sick Spic.
Don't you “think”?
like i said before, i have always thought that our government should dialogue with the government from the islands, the islanders can't be our of the negotiations. Anyway, the l. a. from the islands didn't show either any change respecting it's posture, due to it continues saying that they are dispossed to discuss with argentina about different issues of mutual interest but not the sovereignty, which is the main problem, so, it's doing exactly the same than what they criticise from the argentine posture. My question is, did the decolonization committee invoke yesterday the right to self determination for this cause, like it did for oters colonial situations?, i think not, so, they have no excuses either to continue rejecting to dialague about the sovereignty, in fact yesterday cristina was very clear when she said that we are not asking the u. k to recognize that the malvinas are argentine, we are just asking it to dialogue with us about this problem. What she expressed yesterday destroys planty of the hipocrite and stupid conclussions that the lawmakers form the islands, and people in this forum reach when they argue about the posture of argentina.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45 BK
Jun 15th, 2012 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What bad faith? it was a masterpiece of political diplomacy. One of which your Queen failed to match spectacularly. A member of a small Island Legislature, outwitting the president of a major South Amercican Country, priceless! She needs to send back her certificates, because she clearly failed the diplomacy part of how to be a president, course.
I do think that the islanders should continue this approach to the Argentine demands.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can only make itself look silly by continuing to ignore them and will completely change the realpolitik of the situation if and when they begin to acknowledge them.
They don't want to change the ”big bad Britain bullying poor Argentina” script that they have propagated for years. If Falklanders can learn to mirror towards Argentina all the behaviour that Argentina exhibits towards Britain then CFK will find herself in many an awkward situation.
Learn from Castro – can’t be that hard to become an “irritating Falklander”
CFK knows she will not be getting the Falklands – if you deprive her of the political benefits she reaps from pretending she will gain sovereignty then she will lose interest in banging the drum.
#10 Brilliant comment that went obver the heads of many.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speaking of cowards: Where is dear THINK?
Your “Perra” theiving president is a laughingstock of the world. Argentina is on the edge of an economic collapse and she with her mad cow ambassadris are trying to focus the populace into nationalistic frenzy over a fantasy.
THINK: this is better than any soap opera, all I need is some popcorn and a cold beer.
59 axel arg (#)
Jun 15th, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 15th, 2012 - 02:31 pm
Axel, don't you think it would be an idea, a really GOOD idea, if Kretina first agreed to have a dialogue with the Argentine people about their problems, sucha as: 30% inflation, lack of security, a failing education system, idem medical system, lack of personal freedom (what to do with one's own money), destruction of public services (train crash at Once, metro, colectivos, etc.), and the list goes on for ever.
It would be a great thing if she would do this before talking to UK or FIG about something that will not improve our quality of life one iota.
What Argentina needs desperately is an efficient government that solves the DOMESTIC problems of the electorate, not the external smoke screens that this infernal woman and her despicable troupe of sycophants keep screaming about.
59
Jun 15th, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your chewing gum doesnt represent Argentine posture / viewpoints.
.....lawmakers from islands....BUT ..there are only soldiers and families at these islands...not else.
64 MurkyThink
Jun 15th, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's just daft trolling.
65
Jun 15th, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are very right that there are many and many kinds of trolls everywhere in the world.
I know axel didn't watch the speech by KFC, because if he did he would know that she rambled on about one of many proposals that the UK put forward in 1970s, claiming that this proposal (there were many) should be somehow brought back into negotiations 40 years later, just because it suited her. Well, if you go to the end of that rambling about shared flags, and flip-flopping of national ownership [it was truly a terrible proposal], KFC ended with '..so that the Malvinas can be effectively assimilated back into the nation of Argentina'.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even there she let it slip that she wwasn't interested in sharing anything, and even a proposal about across the board sharing of power, was only a cover for her to bring these 'Malvinas' back under the umbrella of Argentina.
So, you're wrong. Her hypocrisy, her conflicting remarks and her rambling were telling the UK and the Falkland islanders to recognise they were Argentine. Being a terrible orator, she was unable to stop herself from doing this.
[source: watch the video]
@59AA
Jun 15th, 2012 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel. The Right to Self Determination is not something that any UN committee invokes. It is Article 1(2) of the United Nations Charter. The document that every member agrees to abide by when joining the UN, the rule book. Argentinas position is that the Falkland Islanders do not posses that right. That some people do not have the same rights as the rest, because you know and I know and everyone else with the least little bit of intelligence knows, the Islanders would excercise the right to remain just exactly has they are.
Dear Simon, “What Argentina needs desperately is an efficient government that solves the DOMESTIC problems of the electorate, not the external smoke screens that this infernal woman and her despicable troupe of sycophants keep screaming about.” With all due respect, “What Argentina needs desperately is an efficient ruthless military government that rounds up all the Peron zombies and drops them by the thousands into the South Atlantic. Timmerman sould be on the first plane along with Maximo and his mother. This would solve 90% of your DOMESTIC problems and get you back on economic recovery.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ”infernal woman and her despicable troupe of sycophants” would be only screaming about the cold temperatures of the water for about 12 minutes before drowning. Very humane and no nasty bullets to be wasted...
@64 - Murky
Jun 15th, 2012 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're proof that only soldiers and their families live on the Falklands?
Oh you have none, just like your government has no proof that the Falklands belong to them, hence why they won't take the case to the ICJ.
You really are scrapping the bottom of the barrel now, aren't you?
Poor Malvinistas, soon to be out of a job when you're beloved President is lynched by a mob of angry argentine citizens in the Playa De Mayo.
”This behaviour will only make it harder to have neighbourly discussions on matters of mutual interest and harden our resolve against any change in the status of the Islands”
Jun 15th, 2012 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing to discuss.
Argentina has no right whatsoever to determine your nationality, I agree with you islanders.
Conversely, there is abolutely of mutual interest to discuss. Nothing that you may possibly be interested in discussing is of Argentina's concern.
And that is it really.
@37 Why? Are you building another mud hut somewhere?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45 FIG = shield. Britain = sword. Go figure.
@52 Yep. Mostly soldiers. All with guns. You know, those things that go bang and make argies dive into ditches or run for the hills. I remember the video of the argies at the time of their surrender. Were those supposed to be “soldiers”? Scruffy load of yobs. Most British tramps dress better and have more self-respect!
@59 No. C24 didn't invoke self-determination. But then, it can't invoke anything. All it can do is make recommendations. Which are normally offered as a draft resolution for the General Assembly. Which Britain ignores because GA resolutions are NON-BINDING and self-determination is an integral part of the UN Charter. In order to get rid of self-determination, you would have to re-write the UN Charter. Now, which part of the last sentence and the words “NON-BINDING” did you not understand?
@64 Really? Have you been? Still loads of guns. And missiles. And big nasty aeroplanes. And big nasty ships painted grey.
Just having watched the session with Gibraltar. It's clear that this committee does absolutely nothing. Spain is just trying to do some land-grabbing because it's economically destitute and is basically parroting whatever Argentina says. Gibraltar guy came out with both guns blazing and just basically told them how it was.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shame to see spain has just become a weak version of Argentina, but hey.
Mike Nobody
Jun 15th, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We talk with the owner of the circus, currently located in London England, not “monkeys', clowns or puppets.
”However when the Thursday session ended and President Cristina Fernandez received a standing ovation and was being congratulated for her speech and surrounded by her ninety delegates, MLA Summers did try to approach and hand the letter but could not get close enough”
@74 Yes, he tried to give her an invitation to 'sit down and listen', but sadly he was unable to get through her rent-a-crowd. I would have struggled to get through her rent-a-crowd of 90 people she took on a dollar-based shopping trip.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems the shameless hypocrite isn't interested in dialogue. Not surprising for an Argentine.
Listen to what? They already have what they want, British jurisdiction.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's been a great week folks. The Madness of Queen Christina has been highly entertaining. Can she keep it up?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tune in next week when CFK will be complaining about colonisation as a special guest on Sesame Street. After the interview she and BigBird will be singing a duet of laments until the oven is hot and she shoves him in.
@71TTT
Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Conversely, there is abolutely of mutual interest to discuss. Nothing that you may possibly be interested in discussing is of Argentina's concern.”
Sorry, I have read this over and over. It seems to be a contradiction. You say that there is mutual interest in discussions. Then you seem to be saying that, Argentina has no interest in having those discussions. Well that is how it reads to me.
@78
Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina (the government), want sovereignty. It ain't getting it. Reality 1.
So that's it.
I never indited there is mutual interest in colloquy, never have! I have written that there is nothing the Falklanders could possibly hold as reason to sit down and discuss that Argentina would share any desire to reciprocate.
@79 So TTT what's your view about diplomacy consisting of: a) a quisling; b) a mills-and-boon author; c) a rent-a-crowd and d) a lady who just speaks incoherently about migrating birds?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I must say I agree totally with tobias, there is absolutely nothing for the FIG to discuss with Argentina. Argentina has nothing that the Falklands need.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only thing Argentina wants from the Falklands is sovereignty which the Islanders don't wish to put on the table.
So what's left?
Just the sensible things like environmental issues (management of overlapping fish stocks and hidrocarbon prospecting). But I suppose those things don't matter to TTT.
@80
Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's right up your alley. Or dou you think anyone here takes you seriously, with comments like the above?
An interesting bit of 'scuttlebutt'. Scholars trawling through long lost Nazi archives have come across a secret treaty between Nazi Germany and Argentina in 1941 by which ,with the anticipated imminent collapse of the British Empire ,Argentina would enter the war on Germany's side and Germany would give the Falklands to Argentina.The two countries would form a secret alliance.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could there be any truth in it?
@82 I was being deadly serious, because let's face it... that collective is what your group at the C24 looked like.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was hilarious.
#69 So what your really saying is, in your opinion what Argentina needs is fascism. Evil bastard
Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@81
Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You just said it, The Falklands don't need anything from us. Conversely (if the sovereingty dispute was dropped by Argentina), there is nothing they have we need.
Management of fisheries and the enviroment? I'm in Western Argentina, what do I care about the Falkland's fishes or enviroment. Let them deal with it. If the Falklands becomes a toxic wasteland, it affects me in the slightest or 99% of argies. Nothing there that interests us.
# 23 Red Baron
Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have just read the letter and I cannot find anything wrong in style or grammar.
Please give us the benefit of your command of the English language to point out these errors. As a matter of interest, who uses the expression“Gee Whizz” .
It sounds like something out of a 1940's American comic book and has not been used in English colloquial speech for decades.
Matbe you should take a refresher course in English - or American?
@74MA
Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That would be the same London, England where you have resided for over 30 years then? Yet another Hypocritical ex pat! these pages seem to bring you out in droves. At least some of the Argentine bloggers on here have my respect for trying to gain sovereignty for a country they still live in!
@79TTT
Ah, so in fact you do not want to open dialogue then. Refusing to even accept this letter, was a major diplomatic blunder. Your governments has demonstrated on the world stage that it is not even willing to listen. Holding a discussion is a two way concept, listen then talk or visa versa. Just talking to some one is called dictation, a one way concept. It follows therefor, that infact, all your government wants to do is dictate demands. A concept not known for it's sucess amongst democracies.
Marcos and TTT - are your Fisheries doing better than ours? - answer is No they are not!
Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is affecting yours - and ours?
Answer - Overfishing out of season in the International waters outside the 200mile limits.
Who has a zone acknowledged internationally as one of the best policed, and who is acknowledged as a world leader in Albatross death mitigation measures on licensed vessels?
Answer to both the above is the Falklands and South Georgia fishery zones.
Seems a bit bloody stupid of CFK not to agree to talk about what we can both do- sovereignty put aside- to improve the fisheries for all benefits and sustainability?
Marco - NOT a question for the UK Govt as they do NOT control nor licence the zone - the Islands do - get it?
Uhmm... What do they want? For us to accept their nationality? I do, I wish my government would also. Assuming some halcyon day that occurs, what then?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing. There is nothing to discuss either way? If Argentina does not grow up and accept it cannot get the Falklands, there is nothing to discuss. If it does, there is nothing to discuss. End of it.
@85 It's already got fascism. I don't think it needs any more.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@89
Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't care about your fisheries. Neither does Argentina, it doesn't affect it at all. Just throwing a number out of a hat, but if Fishing is at best 0.5% of GDP (which I think is grossly generous), the specific region near the Falklands may acount of 1/10 of that, and the specific fisheries that could be problematic, may account for 1/10 of that itself... so 0.005% of GDP would be influenced by us discussing or not the issue.
In other words, meaningless. And Argentina should never give the Falklanders a say in what happens in our waters. If we want to kill all the fishies in our waters, tough luck.
TTT
Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is currently about 6TCF of gas discovered in the Falklands they could discuss. The oil discoveries are irrelevant as there is no benefit involving Argentina at all as they will be developed by offshore FPSO, but gas development would be cheaper (potentially) by involving Argentina, as it is possible that a 300km pipeline would be a cheaper development method than LNG.
It would solve (in part) Argentinas energy crisis, and give the FIs a cost effective outlet for THEIR gas reserves.
They don't need Argentina for this, but their seems to be a mutually beneficial solution.
92 Truth_Telling_Troll (#)
Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:33 pm
Interestingly enough, Argentina is the #23 in the world for export of fishery products. About 22600 Argentines are employed directly in fishing.
I would say that TTT is being a little too “Mendocino” about fishing. It is obviously important to at least 22600 Argentine famillies.
Argentina wants dialogue. FIG offers them dialogue. Argentina refuses it.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Therefore =Argentina does not want dialogue.
Argentina wants to cause friction by slagging the UK and the UN to a point where they will claim they are justified in a desperate attack by Super Etendard's against targets in the Falklands probably oil rigs.
Think I'm wrong? Just wait and see.
This is just awesome :) kfc goes the UN and we all laugh at her. Sooo... much for Argentina! lol haha
Jun 15th, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Imagine, the man in the house next door also wants your house, so he claims you stole it, but you are innocent. On your way to court you listen to the radio, you hear some of the man’s friends publicly stating you're guilt and demanding you give your house back to him. When you get to court to your dismay you realise the same people who publicly stated that you are guilty make up the Jury!!!
Jun 15th, 2012 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sound ridiculous? Well, not to the UN, the C24 make FIFA look trustworthy.
@93
Jun 15th, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Being dependent on foreign sources of energy is our problem. The oil and gas within the Falklands commercial zone is theirs. May they benefit from it.
We have more than enough natural gas in our territory, if the correct policies are undertaken. We don't need nor should cooperate in any way with FI, and it would be suicidal to give them any leverage over us. Of course, this is speculation anyway as there is nothing coming out of the ground there.
@94
22 thousand people? That's nothing. And of those, how many would be affected by Argentina refusing to talk to the Falklands about fishing?
0.
In fact more would be unemployed if what the British and FI wants, which is to cripple them by imposing quotas within our waters, in other words, gaining sovereignty over Argentine fishing waters. Get out of here Simon.
@95PB
Jun 15th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nah! they would do it because they would bring down a world of strife on themselfs. It would not be like last time, fly a sortie and home for bacon, eggs and medals. Last time they were safe in their bases, this time they are well within range of sea launched tomahawks and they know it. They would not be that stupid!
TTT and BK talking crap and lies again, you two must be really brainwashed by now. Any tissues left BK?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmm... Saying the Falklands are British, they have the right to remain so, and that their oil and gas is theirs to profit from is crap and lies?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK. Like I said, the British here are mentally ill.
You tring to say I suffer from schizophrenia? Who typed that? It was him. No, it wasn't it him. Don't know what those other fella's are talking about, I know I typed it.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, they can shove Fishing cooperation (code for a landgrab of Argentine territory), up their dark, caliginous winter shaft.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To sign any treaty with British or British backed entities is mad nonsense. They immediately interpret it as a license to claim territory or control over that territory. Argentina will never again discuss its waters with them.
TTT your ranting pure pish again take a break your starting to believe your own hype
Jun 15th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is nonsense to sign any treaty with the British. They hold the other side to it for eternity, while they claim to have the right to change it at a whim.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No sane nation would even discuss territorial issues with the British, somehow they have a knack for then claiming it.
TTT, your name is partly correct, the troll part only.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing to have dialogue about. End of discussion.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@79 I think you're getting your time frames out of sequence. Let's try to help. Argieland invades Falklands and precipitates war. Sometime later, with intervention from British government, agreements are set up between argieland and Falklands. Later, argieland storms out of discussions in a huff because Falklands won't discuss sovereignty. Argieland then tears up agreements. Then, yesterday, president of argieland says she just wants discussions. She's not asking for sovereignty, just discussions. Falklands offers discussions. Argieland turns them down. That seems quite clear. Argieland might want discussions with Britain, but Britain won't hold any discussions without Falklands agreement. Three corners of a triangle. Falklands has offered to cut out one of the corners. The “movers” in this are the Falklands, not Britain. It's called realpolitik.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@85 I think what's being said is that someone wants to see all peronists drowning. Can't say I disagree.
@86 Thank you for confirming that your president was lying through her teeth.
@98 Good. You don't want the oil and gas. As to the fisheries, didn't your president complain that the Falklands wasn't complying with a fishing agreement that argieland is no longer party to?
@101 So argieland doesn't want the Falklands, right?
@103 You can't have a “landgrab” of waters. Ain't logical!
The British will somehow invent a way to make a landgrab of water work. You are admittedly ingenious there.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't want the Falklands, because it is not right to do it this way. Simple.
When,if you go to Port Stanley ,You cant find a shop ,you should shopping from a military depot near of some military dig houses.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 088 reality check
Jun 15th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 030 years you said? :-))) The only time that I spent in London in the past was 3 days and I couldn't wait to leave, you are a genius.
Bravo Cristina! Not only you have the regular Brits in here fuming but also a dying pinochetista in CA(chicurro) and a Brit (wannabe Argentinean) in Patagonia(Simon), spewing venom like a snake.
@95 You may be right, Argentina has nothing to lose, CFK at the C24 was their big hope and it wasn't a success.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conspiracy war theory 1
They only have the OAS left, remember the FI issue will now be discussed every year and will be escalated, they may in a few years, attempt to make a judgement on the sovereignty of the FI, with their decision being final, favour Argentina and order the British authorities to leave the islands or they will make them by force?
If you want to go shopping Port Stanley military store ,you cant find varied edible oils brands but can find many varied biscuits...cosmetics....
Jun 15th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My goodness but the lighting at the UN venue made CFKC look 70; how old is she? Then she opened her mouth and rambled like a dementia sufferer.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The C24 committee is toothless and pointless with no power to do anything. However the contrast between the factual and well presented statements by reperesentatives of FIG and CFKC's rambling nonsense will have an impact on world opinion. That stupid over-medicated woman should have cancelled the shopping trip and stayed at home because she just made herself look utterly bonkers.
Can't find oil? Are you joking or is this serious?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe they should resume whale hunting? How many species did the British exterminate anyway?
@111MA
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yesterday I read a post on another site from a Marcus Alejanro. Who stated he moved here 32 years ago. The usual Pirate crap, give back the malvinas etc. Now, you dsiplay to many Brit characteristics not to be that same guy, like your live time access to live time British News Media, your use of the written English language, the context in which you use it, some aspects can be taught, that is not one of them. I do not believe in coincidences, I think your the same guy. So you do not live in London, but you do live in the UK and you have lived here for some time. In my book, that most definately makes you a Hypocrit.
116 reality check
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, I read it too. Was you or one of your Brit friends that posted under my ”name'?
Ijn which case, I am man enough to apologise here and now. You are not the same guy and no, it was not me. Like your correct spelling of too, see what I mean?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0118 Inglishh please.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos. Why is the Argentine government afraid to sit down and talk with the people of the Falklands?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sticky fiingers.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0120 Afraid? Mr Cameron is the one hiding in London, CFK was at the UN.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The reality is that the British in Malvinas are ruled from London, why should we talk to them? We want to talk to their master in England, the same nation that invaded my land four times.
@120
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing to talk about. What on Earth do they have to offer?
Exactly.
Gooooool....Sweden
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where you watchin this?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0England National Team !
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where is UK National Team ... OR ...Great Britain National Team ..?
125 Buckingham Palace, London SW1A 1AA United Kingdom
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0020
127
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MOTD more like.
1:1
Goooool Sweden
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL... the world's best striker Mellberg, 2-1!!
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2:2
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh TTT has moved across to this subject well my YOUNG FRIEND I am following you actually believe Marcos and the rest, the Falklands have plenty of oil, beer ,food and anything else you want to mention, Sky sports, internet and all that, sorry if that dissapoints you, further to my last apparently, loads of OIL, Marcus the c24 is for at best second rate diplomats, no one else, thats why no one of any importance was there and hence it was chaired by a SYRIAN, Cofy was there as always as a figurehead, oh wait a minute CFK was there.......and 92 other rg hangers on, .............yep proves my point
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@132
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oil? Got that, plenty in Mendoza.
beer? British beer? yuck.
food? Scones? maybe... can get them by british-argies anyway.
As stated, Falklanders have nothing to that could bring Argentina to talk with them. Since they don't want to discuss sovereingty understandably, then yes, no talks.
2:3 :-(((( :-))))
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@122 - no Marcos.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is CFK afraid to talk to the Falkland Islanders not the UK government.
Answer that question, don't prevaricate.
English Team is full of primal players..no zone press..no individual technic....no midfield...added some black slaves.....no chance more on..
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0like commentators here ..
@130 & @134 what did yo think of that then seen as you went off topic, didnt quite work did it TTT . :)))))
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0136
Jun 15th, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. England win 3:2 and you were saying!!!!
135 LEPRecon
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What do you mean“no”?
Didn't England invade our land four times? Certainly we didn't sail 14000 km to invade yours.
Why my government should talk with a small group of British living in Argentina, we have people here from all over the world.
We can talk to them about rugby, football or sheeps if they wish, but Malvinas is a serious matter that we need to talk and solve with the government that created this problem, they live in London.
138
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just by chance.....i said has no chance any more ....
kiss black slave players ..Indians next....white ones are all inept...
The England Football raped by foreign players and investors...
MA
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again with us invading you four times.
1806@1807 Napoleonic war, we attacked the Spanish, not you, you did not exist, E X I S T, look it up.
1833 Crap, your alternate version of historical fact.
1845 Anglo/French blockade, there is a difference between Invasion and blockade.
How many more time do you have to be given the true historical facts!
There is no problem to solve, the islands are occupied by their rightful inhabitants
@140 i think this could be the wrong place to view your racist fantasies.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@139 - Marcos
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands have NEVER been Argentine territory. So why is your government AFRAID to talk to the Falkland Islands Government?
They are very afraid, aren't they Marcos? A government ruling 40 million people afraid of a government representing 3 thousand people.
It's quite pathetic when you think about it. Poor Argentina, you've played the victim card once too often and now the world sees you for what you are, a frightened bully.
Well CFK has a lot to be frightened of, doesn't she? It's only a matter of time before the people of Atgentina will be baying for her blood. Her magic 'Malivinas' trick is no longer working, and the people see through her.
Tell me Marcos, when the end comes for your president will you be fighting to protect her, or will you be trying to string her up?
141 RC
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, four times.
BBC “Britain's 'forgotten' invasion of Argentina”
“War often defines nationhood: just as America was said to have come of age in 1776, when British colonists declared their independence from the Crown, so Argentina felt it had come of age as a separate state, having fought for themselves against the British”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4779479.stm
@143LEPRecon
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it is because no matter how much they try to convince themselfs, deep down in their national subconcious, they know there claim is bogus. They are afraid that if they are forced to confront the Islanders they will be forced to confront the truth.
Is BBC Argentinean?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All the Argentinia wants is it's own way and sod everyone else They don't want dialogue they want dictatorship and thats it! Guess they need another lesson like they had 30 years ago!
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos - please state the 4 dates you claim Britain invaded Argentina?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 01806-7 Britain invaded a Spanish Colony as part of the worldwide Napoleonic Wars.
1833 - Britain re occupied the Islands it had first claimed in 1690 and first settled in 1765/76 and removed the milkitary force that was in charge of that occupation.
1982 - Britain - with approval of the UN Security Council following Argentina,s refusal to comply with Security Council Rsolutions - reoccupied the Islands and evisted the country that had invaded earlier.
Am I missing some - cannot see the nation Argentina there at all as allegedly being invaded/
145MA
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just because the BBC produces an historical documentary, it does not make their facts right.
The facts are the British were at war with the Empire of Napoleon, Spain was allied with Napolean. If your ancestors fought for Spain against the British all well and good. If some historian choses to call you Argentinian, years before you gained independence, that is his or her interpretation of historical sources.
The facts are that in 1806 and 1807 you were still not an independent nation called Argentina. If anything the eventual defeat of Napolean by the then allies, which came to include Spain, contributed to your victory in your war of independence.
England did not attack Argentina, they attacked a Spanish colony.
England attacked, assailed the denizens of Buenos Aires. Defenseless as they were, a people that had done absolutely NOTHING to the English in 300 years. There was no Spanish military present and Buenos Aires was fervently anti-Napoleonic (the Napoleonic situation is cited in every solitary history book as a main cause in bestirring the inhabitants towards independence). The main Spanish forces were all located in the Pacific, it would have made moral sense to attack there.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was clearly a landgrab attempt gone utterly askew for the Brits.
so your professors tell you TTT, wrong again, wakey wakey your talking shite again, back to school
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Was it or was it not still a Spanish colony in 1807, simple question, yes or no?
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@150
Jun 15th, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So fucking what. We were once a colonial power. the Sun never set on the Brtiish Empire and you came within a whisker of being part of it.
Maybe you regret that you didnt become part of our empire and are struggling to come to terms with the fucking mess youre inept politicians and youre brain washed electorate has made of your country.
It must irritate the RG's that a little island barely 1500 miles from your capital wanst absolutely fuckall to do with you and prefers to be associated with a nation 8000 miles away.
what a kick in the teeth for Argentina.
shows what a shit tip your country is.
@152
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nope, Spain barely had a titular claim, but it is like asking if the UK is a monarchy. Is it? No.
It is a constitutional monarchy.
Argentina after 1806 when the Spanish almost vacated defense of Buenos Aires, was self-governing. Why do you think you Brits tried to attack? Ironically, just like we thought in the Falklands, you must have thought that with the Spanish busy trying to protect their more important pacific colonies (with the mineral wealth), that the citizens left behind (all criollos, almost none peninsular), would just bow to British aggression.
Mighty surprise awaited them, didn't it? (twice in fact, now that is obstination)
@153
Why would it be a kick? the inhabitants of those islands are British. It's not like Gibraltar, where the ethnicity is Spanish yet they remain British. Now that would be exasperating admittedly.
There are argies living in Shanghai but remain argie. No argentine would ever give up their nationality without an extremely good reason. We have the lowest rates of naturalization in foreign countries.
@122 Not your land. You are just an “implanted genocidal population”.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@127 A prat by any other name.
@134 Prick!
@139 No, it didn't. You're a LIAR!!!!!
@144 Stinking argie lying PRICK!!!!!!
@150 Prick!
@154
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why would it be exasperating? they can choose which country they want to be part of as they are not affiliated to spain in any way. just like you gave up your claim to the Falklands in 1850 so the spanish signed away their rights to Gib in 1713 (IIRC).
shame that you hispanics cant keep to your end of the bargain.
Argentina should leave the Falklands alone similar to the spanish who should go fuck themselves rather than bother Gibraltarians who want nothing to do with them.
Remember that a colony is a land mass that is subjegated against its will. Neither Gib or the FI are colonies. they could both ditch the Uk tomorrow but choose not too.
that seems to particularly irritate people. Its a bit of a humiliation. Rejection is sometimes hard to take.
@154TT
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say after 1806 and the Spanish “almost” vacated the defences of BA. So does that mean they were infact still there? Bear in mind we are talking the early 1800's, to all intents and purposes, to the British, you were Spaniards, allies of Napoleon. No fine political distinctions then.
When did you actually declare independence?
You can't read right. I said it would be exasperating for the Spanish that the Gibraltarians (?) choose to remain British. And you need to make up your ambivalent mind. You began your commentary by asking why would the scenario you posed be exasperating. You then ended your indited reply by suggesting it is a humiliation. Yip yap.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Faklanders have not a shred of Argentine ancestry, or culture. So what's so big about them wanting to remain British? It would be like asking Liverpool if they want to stay British.
I agree with the rest of your post.
Good for CFK, accept this letter meant to give an entity established in the island population that seeks to be recognized as a people with its own identity when even reach the status of a mere “neighborhood” in London. Are just monkey on a rock 3000 posts by a pirate nation pretending thereby justifying the exploitation of natural resources in an American country.
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Mr Summer said he had a letter from the Government of the Falkland Islands, which invites the Government of the Republic of Argentina “to sit down and listen to the views of the people of the Falkland Islands
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Summer don't you know anything about international law and, more broadly, international relations? If you did, you'd understand that Argentina's shrug had nothing to do with you personally or, more broadly, the kelpers and everything to do with the UK.
States negotiate and sign treaties with other States. YOU, Mr Summer DO NOT represent a State and this is clearly and unmistakeably made evident by the fact that the Malvinas do not have a seat at the UN General Assembly and cannot sign international treaties.
Therefore, Mr Summer if you wanted to pass on an invitation to Argentina to sit down an negotiate, I'll tell you what: pass it on to the UK!!!
Argentina has been trying for the better part of the past two years to get the UK to sit down and negotiate but they have always shrugged it off. Thus, if you, Mr Summer, wish to negotiate (as you claim you do) let the UK know.
However, I honestly doubt, Mr Summer, that you really wish to negotiate. This is just a ploy so that you can later claim that by accepting your invitation to negotiated Argentina recognizes you as an independent State which it doesn't.
As a result, faaaaaaaaark off
Ah .. One more thing, if you are at your “government” would provide me 5000 Visa is just the number of students attending a school of any university in Argentina in order to enable them to vote in the referendum .. we shall see what the result we get .. Laughter!
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@160
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many times do you have to be fucking told that the Uk is not able to negotiate away the rights of the Islanders. You need to speak to the islanders about what you want and they will then tell the UK to bring a pen to the document signing.
@162
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So why do the Falklanders want to force Argentina (via the UK scurrying behind the scenes), to re-engage in Fishing “cooperation”, and are making a scene that Argentina rejected the calls to sit down an talk? We don't want to talk about anything with them. And since they don't want to talk to us about sovereignty understandably so, then there is nothing to discuss.
They need to speak to the Argentine fishermen, who won't give away their fishing quotas in our own waters. But if they do, then they will tell Argentina that they want to waive their catch to the Falklanders, and then Argentina will comply with alacrity with their wishes of surrendering our waters to the Uk and the Falklanders.
Never .. Happen to be recognized as a people, are just a small group of squatters who do not deserve the slightest recognition as a state, Argentina should only talk to the owner of the circus, not the clowns ..
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@162
Jun 15th, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0fine then.....
Just tell the UK that when they sit down and negotiate with Argentina not to “negotiate away the rights of the kelpers”
States negotiate with States. The FI ARE NOT A STATE
They are an oversees territory.
make no mistake
Well that's discussion done then give me a shake in ten years and we'll resume but nothing will have changed. Young TTT time for bed my little German pal
Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mike Summers and the other one..., read this , is very clear for your eyes
Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina, will talk about the islands with the owner of the circus, not with the monkey...., is that clear for you now ??
Argentina do not need to talk to people who lives in argentina, just with the owners of the warplanes and warships on the islands.
@62 Chicureo
Jun 15th, 2012 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some of the viewers don't have time to respond quickly to today's events. As an Argentine citizen I have said past, present and future argentine presidents will dispute the same islands.
What it takes my attention is UK PM David Cameron DECISION TO KEEP
DIPLOMATIC RELATION WITH MY ARGENTINA.
The Argentine government is acting like a spoiled brat. The current administration in Argentina is running Argentina as poorly as obama is running my country. As a third world country Argentina is areal looser. - Millet USA
Jun 16th, 2012 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0The funny thing is that Europeans, Americans, and many Latin Americans think that if by any chance Argentina has a change in government *before* the elections, it must be because we love them and want to be friends with them...
Jun 16th, 2012 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0They honestly believe that a post-K government will be “friendlier” to them.
One can't be friendly with enemies. We hate you know, we will hate you after CFK, that won't change. So none of you get your hopes up :)
'One can't be friendly with enemies. We hate you know, we will hate you after CFK, that won't change.'
Jun 16th, 2012 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0...which raises interesting questions about Argentine culture and psychology.
It isn't the actual practical interests of Argentina and Argentines that matter there but fantasies . Rather than national interests, there are national obsessions. Rather than seeing what worked or failed and why, it is peychologically much easier to invent enemies to blame and hate them and much less work.. The only problem is thst it guarantees that they'll make the same mistakes again and again- except that they aren't mistakes on the part of the politicians, who have their brief term of power and grab the loot to see them through retirement, but mistakes by the dupes who repeatedly vote them into office.
You said somewhere that young nations should take risks, TTT, but Peronists don't take risks- they disrupt the economy of Argentina and take their cut of the loot and vanish in the smoke and dust and blame their invented enemies for the mess they made themselves. This wouldn't be so harmful to Argentina if it didn't affect the whole of Argentine politics and Argentine society.
ah racism,TTT be careful what you wish for it may come true.sussieUS are you fridgid as your so uptight,chill try and get laid,but put a cork in it, you lot are pure gobshytes. up a working democracy,down with dicktators,yep i know couldnt help myself
Jun 16th, 2012 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your pithy foray into the possibility of sciamachy in the Argentine psyche are midly fascinating, Faulconbridge. There is only one minor inconvenience: no one here has ever systematically confuted my arguments.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Example: I frequently read here that the Argentine people are to accinge against CFK. The most often cited reason is “such a change will prove us (”us” being Europe/USA/UK/Japan, etc), correct in our observations“. They also claim that a new government will be far more cordial towards the misnamed 1st world.
All I will say is do not expect friendlier relations under any ”post CFK” administration.
'What it takes my attention is UK PM David Cameron DECISION TO KEEP
Jun 16th, 2012 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0DIPLOMATIC RELATION WITH MY ARGENTINA.'
...but not Argentina's decision to keep diplomatic relations with the U.K., Suss? It's for the same reason: it's a ritual by CFK intended to serve entirely domestic interests. In CFK's case, her pals would be very hurt if they couldn't go shoppping at Harrods and send their purchases back in diplomatic bags so Argentine customs can't get their cut.
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This is fun:
Jun 16th, 2012 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm fighting Falkand islanders in the “Falklanders dissapointed” thread.
I'm fighting Americans in the INDEC inflation thread.
I'm fighting Brits in this thread.
I'm fighting Europeans in the “Summers invites Argentina” thread.
That's almost all of Argentina's enemies, the ones who want us destroyed and exterminated as a nation. Fun times, fun times putting them all in their high-chairs.
'There is only one minor inconvenience: no one here has ever systematically confuted my arguments. '
Jun 16th, 2012 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is only one minor inconvenience: you have never put forward any arguments.my arguments.
'Example: I frequently read here that the Argentine people are to accinge against CFK.'
Really? Who but here you would (mis)use such a fustian term but 'accinge'?
'The most often cited reason is “such a change will prove us (”us” being Europe/USA/UK/Japan, etc), correct in our observations“. They also claim that a new government will be far more cordial towards the misnamed 1st world.'
It will probably take longer than most people here hope, but Argentina will probably get good government- as in a government that is fairly honest, has practicable aims and orders them according to their practicak importance and achievability. Argentinians probably won't like it, though.
If Argentina doesn't get such a government kleptocrats and demagogues will probably reduce it to a state if such disorder and unimportance that not even Argentinians will pay attention to their politicians.
Accinge = literary for “to prepare for action” or “to ready measures, brace against”.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0To accinge against CFK clearly means “to prepare to act against CFK”, or “to brace against CFK”, which is exactly what I meant, since we are talking about a hypothetical change in government.
If we are further reduced as a country in economic stability we may even become Europe today.
'To accinge against CFK clearly means “to prepare to act against CFK”, or “to brace against CFK”, which is exactly what I meant, since we are talking about a hypothetical change in government.'...so not 'preparing to act' but acrually acting.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0'
If we are further reduced as a country in economic stability we may even become Europe today.'
Parts of Europe. An example of what happens when politicians assume wishes and aspirations can override reality.
Parts of Europe? I must have missedthe part where people are not striking, suffering austerity, had banks go belly up, doctors not on strike, debt not downgraded, and economies back in recession.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me, what part is that which is enjoying the magic “5-5”: 5% growth, 5% unemplyoment? Which is the area expanding services, not cutting workers?
'Magic'- as in a fairy tale, perhaps?
Jun 16th, 2012 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Remember what happens when politicians assume wishes and aspirations can override reality. Argentines should have learned from experience.
Argentina, go back to what you do best: starving to death as Kirchner rapes your country and counts her Swiss millions. When the lights go out in Argentina, she will be thousands of miles away sipping champagne.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos, et al.,
Jun 16th, 2012 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t have a bone in this dog fight, but I’m curious to understand Argentina’s psychology. In the ‘60s and ‘70s, you make quiet, slow but steady diplomatic progress to the point where Britain has conceded the principle of joint sovereignty. Then you suddenly invade the islands and subject the islanders to an occupation that was both brutal and farcical in equal measure. Thus you guarantee that they with loathe and fear you for generations to come, and you make it politically impossible for Britain to make any concessions. You spend the next thirty years subjecting the islanders to dumb and petty mind-game tricks aimed at intimidating them. The small baby-steps you make towards reconciliation (joint agreements on fishing and oil exploration), you tear up on a whim. Next, you swan into the UN and with great theatre you announce to the world that you really, really, really want to talk. Britain says “only if the Falkland Islanders agree”. At the very same UN meeting, members of the Falkland’s Islands government say “OK, let’s talk”. But not only do you dismiss this offer out of hand, you do so with the haughty distain typical of a nineteenth century colonialist dealing with some troublesome natives.
To borrow a famous phrase from another intractable conflict, it seems to me that Argentina never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
(182) Darwin
Jun 16th, 2012 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say....:
“ Marcos, et al.,
I don’t have a bone in this dog fight, but.....................................”
I say...:
Reading the rest of your comment; you pretty much sound like a dog that indeed has a bone in this fight.............................................
@ 59 axel arg
Jun 16th, 2012 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“did the decolonization committee invoke yesterday the right to self determination for this cause”
No, and they don't have to, as self determination is part of the UN Charter - no need to mention it every time.
Article 1
The Purposes of the United Nations are:
1. To maintain international peace and security,..... and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law,
adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self determination
of peoples, ...
@Darwin
Jun 16th, 2012 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0The failing logic is the Islander one only themselves made the situation worse and to be stuck to this point.
And any step they made is worsening they position even more.
Summers for example and the Brit ambassador both lack of skills and world affairs experience to archive anything in current changing world.
Here an example about how Summers buried himself in the C24.
In one part of his argument to support the Islanders position he made theatrical comparisons about why he thinks islanders are not treated fairly and he says “why because we are not Hispanics?” Sure the Argies laugh till the stomach was in pain.
Saying “Hispanic” to an Argentinean means nothing because Arg. is the only country I know that speaks Spanish but really by accident. But for the rest of the attendants in the C24 that means a clear racist statement made in Hollywood.
Here an example I go to Brixton in London as ambassador of Argentina for an antiracist organisation and I demand something and in my argument I say:
Why I’m discriminated because I’m not a Nigger?
Another example imagine that a minor Arg. Chief of Government from a little city of 3000 goes to a international committee where the head of the state of UK (Queen Elizabeth II) is there representing UK and the guy goes running back her trying to catch her arm to deliver a letter.
Pretty scary isn’t it?
Now extending the example to Cameron, he behaves like Rajoy telling Germany that if he sunk the rest will sunk we him. Ha ha
Who cares?
All move like elephants in a bazaar and they look like the rich guy from the countryside going to New York.
They need serious advice from professionals in world affairs on how to move in the new changing world especially when your country is in process of sinking.
Any Argie from the street would successful to delivery a letter to Cristina but UK diplomacy fails.
Ha ha it is not funny?
#182 The war was made by a dictatorship and did indeed set matters back, however in more recent times the milking of this for all its worth by the british as they proceed to siphon oil out of a territory they themselves had previously accepted wasn't entirely theirs, should be stood up to, and Cristina's demand for talks WITH BRITAIN is entirely correct.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0#183 Indeed, its like the old “I'm not racist, but...”
@186
Jun 16th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0the Falklands isnt ours. You are entirely correct. This is what people are trying to tell the RG government but unfortunately it wont listen. the islands belong to the people of the falklands and they alone determine their future.
As for the oil' frankly it has fuckall to do with Rg Land what the Falklanders want to do with their oil or who they enlist the help of to extract it. RG Land could have had a share of it, indeed you did have a share of it, but then decided to throw your toys out of the pram and renage on yet another agreement.
@185
what a load of utter shit.
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Jun 16th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Any Argie from the street would successful to delivery a letter to Cristina.'
With the Argentine postal service?
BK
Jun 16th, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t live in Argentina or the Falklands/Malvinas. I have never visited either and I have no particular desire to do so. As far as the fundamental disagreement is concerned, I’m disinterested. If you lot can cut some deal then that’s fine of course. My comments were directed at the way Argentina has gone about advancing its case. And here I have to say that I find its behaviour so bone-headedly stupid and vainglorious that the only rational explanation is that the ruling political elite in your country don’t actually want the islands.
@159 Oh dear. What strange “Latin American” ideas you have. Let me give you an analogy. If I want to make a point to “my” government, I write to my Member of Parliament. That doesn't make him/her the government. If you have a problem and want to make your position clear, give the originator of the communication a receipt marked “Without prejudice”. You should at least try to get into the 20th century, even if you can't manage the 21st.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@160 You don't know anything about international law either. Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties Article 3.
@164 BRAINLESS!
@165 How does argieland get to “negotiate” with the IMF?
@167 Argieland: We will talk with Britain. Britain: You need to talk to the Falklands. Arg: We won't talk to Falklands. Britain: We have nothing to say. Send us a letter.
@170 That's OK. Keep it up. Oderint Dum Metuant
@185 “Hispanic” is also used to denote the culture and people of Spanish colonization of the Americas countries formerly ruled by the Crown of Castile. Bit ethnocentric, are you? But I have to admit that I would have replaced “Hispanics” with “genocidal thieving scum”.
@186 You need to be very clear on what grounds you seek “talks”. For example, anything that happened between 1820 and 1983 would not be acceptable grounds. YOU can't “choose” to delete or disassociate yourselves from parts of your history because they don't suit your current objective. So what have you got between 1984 and 2012? By the way, it's not a good idea to DEMAND anything to which you have no right! Why don't you get your Queer to request, or plead or beg for talks?
get used to speak spanish !!
Jun 16th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0191
Jun 16th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They will be speaking Klingon on the Island, long before they will ever be speaking Spanish.
189 Darwin (#)
Jun 16th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 16th, 2012 - 12:15 pm
This is the truth. The Argentine government(s), certainly all of them that profess to be peronist have absolutely no intention of winning the Falklands/Malvinas claim, they, just like the various military governments since the 1940's, have used this as the major smoke screen behind which they can shaft the Argentine electorate and rob them blind.
This will go on as long as peronism and nationalism hold sway in Argentine politics.
@ 192 Qap-la!
Jun 16th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The argentines have no honour.
194
Jun 16th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shabby
Youre right “ The Argentines have no honoria ”
Does USA or UK ever talk to illegal aliens or do they just deport them? I say we treat this illegal aliens the same way the English treats illegal aliens, dictate the laws and deport them back to their nation, we will not accept the bias attitudes the English speaking people shows the world.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@196 Yes, deport all the illegal aliens in Argentina back to Nazi-germany, italy and spain and then let the natives have their land back.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A great idea there from you.
Summers, Sawle, etc., etc. members of the “honorable” Legislative Assembly of the islands, in my opinion are very clear British government agents. These “lawmakers” ARE NOT BORN IN THE MALVINAS, and speak as if they were living in London and aim to “be heard”????
Jun 16th, 2012 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“which have been our home for almost 180 years”, The problem is that it has been our ex-house for 180 years ...
@198 It doesn't matter where these representatives came from, and the two you mention are Falklanders. Besides, the whole point of a referendum is to get a study of what everyone else thinks, i.e. not the opinion of the representatives.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was never your ex-house, it was British since 1700's. So you were basically squatting. I know you don't understand this because you're incapable of understanding objectively verified history.
Have fun in your head.
@198 The British claimed the Falkland islands from 1765 when they first settled there, not from 1833. In 1833 as you well know, the settlers from what is now (it was not Argentina in 1833) Argentina and Uraguay, germans and 2, yes, 2 British settlers were allowed to stay on the Falkland Islands, as Vernet's settlement was permitted. Vernet you may remember was given permission to settle on the Falkland Islands by the British. The illegal United Provinces of the River Plate military garrison that landed in November 1832 (less than three months before their expulsion-they did not have Briitsh permission to be there), were 80% British mercenaries.
Jun 16th, 2012 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands have never been Argentine. The British did not give up their claim from 1765.
Even if any of the Falkland Islander lawmakers were not born in the Falkland Islands, this is irrelevent if they have lived in the Islands for a number of years and are given Falkland Islands citizenship they are entitled to vote, and stand for election.
Are you saying then that any person emigrating to Argentina from another country is not allowed Argentine citizenship if they follow the Argentine rules to become Argentine citizens?
200. But at us yes do we care where they come from the “legislators” and where it came from 8 or 9 generations. In no time I talked about the referendum to give a shit. But speaking of history, here is a list of governors of the archipelago Spanish and Argentinean complete and not only of Trinidad (or Saunders)
Jun 16th, 2012 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SPANISH
1767-1773 F. Ruiz Puente
1773-1774 D. Chauri
1774-1777 F. Gil y Lemos y Taboada
1777-1779 R. Carassa y Souza
1779-1781 S. de Medina y Juan
1781-1783 J. M. del Carmen Altolaguirre
1783-1784 F. D. Montemayor
1784-1785 A. de Figueroa
1785-1786 R. de Clairac y Villalonga
1786-1787 P. de Mesa y Castro
1787-1788 R. de Clairac y Villalonga
1788-1789 P. de Mesa y Castro
1789-1790 R. de Clairac y Villalonga
1790-1791 J. J. de Elizalde y Ustariz
1791-1792 P. P. Sanguineto
1792-1793 J. J. de Elizalde y Ustariz
1793-1794 P. P. Sanguineto
1794-1795 J. de Aldana y Ortega
1795-1796 P. P. Sanguineto
1796-1797 J. de Aldana y Ortega
1797-1798 L. de Medina y Torres
1798-1799 F. X. de Viana y Alzaibar
1799-1800 L. de Medina y Torres
1800-1801 F. X. de Viana y Alzaibar
1801-1802 R. Fernández de Villegas
1802-1803 B. de Bonavía
1803-1804 A. L. de Ibarra y Oxinando
1804-1805 B. de Bonavía
1805-1806 A. L. de Ibarra y Oxinando
1806-1808 B. de Bonavía
1809-1810 G. Bondas
1810-1811 P. G. Martínez
ARGENTINE
1820-1821 D. Jewett
1821-1821 W. Mason
1824-1824 P. Areguatí
1829-1832 L. Vernet
1832-1832 J. F. Mestivier
1832-1833 J. M. Pinedo
@Conqueror
Jun 17th, 2012 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Hispanic” is also used to denote the culture and people of Spanish colonization of the Americas countries formerly ruled by the Crown of Castile”
Uff! You don’t get it.
Saying Negro= Black/Nigger in Argentina or Uruguay has not racial connotation you can scream in the most populous street of Buenos Aires in front of 10k police and the anti discrimination body statements like
“Hey Negro como andas hijo de puta”
Translation in English “Hey nigger son of bitch how are you doing!” and none will bother in fact is a affective way to call close friends and family members.
Is the way it is in fact many people from black background like Ruben Rada from Uruguay calls himself “Negro”. El Negro Rada is his artist name in Argentina.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rub%C3%A9n_Rada
But in US and UK has another connotation.
Do you understand my Negro Mohamed?
The same applies for the term Hispanic in NY and other Latin countries.
Explain this to Summers next time he need a lot of travelling and professional advice I guess.
Because his statement in the C24 was like and direct insult to many on the C24 board.
Negro Rada El Totem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rub%C3%A9n_Rada enjoy it.
Ha ha
So, Dany, Mr Summeers, speaking in English, must defer to the foolish sensitivities of a bunch of Hispanics who imagine the word Hispanic is offensive in English because they imagine it is offensive in Spanish.
Jun 17th, 2012 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Faulconbridge
Jun 17th, 2012 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t know, I’m just telling you his mistakes when addressing the C24.
If I go to UK to argue against the English and the board is full of Welch and Scottish who will desire over my arguments against the English me saying “you don’t treat me fair because I’m not a sheep poor countryside farmer” will not help at all.
Who do you think will be offended? The English?
English still laughing for my ignorance and out of touch show.
This is what exactly Summers have done.
He only forgot to use “bloody f@king niggers” to back his arguments to get full support from Caribbean countries. ha ha
Its is not funny?
Ah! He also cans use “Dirty Ignorant Gallego” when negotiating things with Spain and “Ciao stronzo Terrone” with the Italians.
Ha ha Learning Brutish diplomacy at best.
Diplomats- even panicky Hispanics- are supposed to know how different languages work. Summers was speaking English remember. There is nothing offensive in using 'hispanic' as a term for Spanish-speaking in English. There might be a basis to your argument if. he had been speakung Spanish
Jun 17th, 2012 - 05:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Faulconbridge
Jun 17th, 2012 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mate, I don’t know where are you from but in the real world things works different.
Diplomats and politicians of course know how different languages work.
But Summers doesn’t I gave you some examples and I will give you some more:
In Argentina or Uruguay calling someone Negro (black) has not racist connotation and is using all the time even though among politicians, TV shows, etc. (domestically). But no Uruguayan or Argentinian diplomat or politician will address someone in an international public affairs that way even though they know each other and are close friends.
If you use to kiss or give a hug to everyone like is quite normal in Argentina even though you meet that person for you first time, you would not do that in Japan because is offensive. Especially coming from someone representing govt. affairs.
In Argentina you can touch kiss, hug and may be touch president’s bottom if you have the opportunity.
So according with your logic any diplomats, policians and businessmen can do the some with Queen Elizabeth II because she has to be aware of the different cultures?
I guess that any professional diplomat in UK will tell you the same except Willy Hague who can have the ability to offend even own British. Ha ha
“William Hague’s comments are an insult to British business”
http://www.economicvoice.com/william-hague-comments-are-an-insult-to-british-business/50029660#axzz1y26glu00
Time to vote for someone competent in UK to save the little island from chaos.
All of your references might be relevant if Summers had been speaking Spnish in a Hispanic country. He was speaking English at the U.N. Even Hispanics are suppsed to be able to forget their prejudices there.
Jun 17th, 2012 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ José Malvinero
Jun 17th, 2012 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a plonker - still using the same list that I rebutted weeks ago.
1767-1773 F. Ruiz Puente - this man took over the Fench colony (purchased) a year after we had set up our own colony.
He is one of those responsible for usurping the British colony at gunpoint-forcing it to leave!
1829-1832 L. Vernet - this guy asked for permission to build a settlement (meaning he MUST HAVE REALISED THAT WE HAD A CLAIM- OR HE WOULD'NT HAVE BOTHERED, WOULD HE).
When your lot then installed an armed garrison, claimed the place, set up a penal colony and entered into dispute with the USA, we warned you diplomatically, then took steps to evict the illegaly placed garrison.
@204DB
Jun 17th, 2012 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0You really do not have a clue about the UK do you, “poor countyrside farmer.” There is no such thing in the UK.
Never read so much rubbish in my life, I thought I gave up comic reading as a child. Wish some of the Malvanist bloggers would grow up and say nothing if they are unable to disagree with valid sensible reasons instead of thrashing out the old arguments that have been beat to ribbons already.
Jun 17th, 2012 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0206
Jun 17th, 2012 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0amigo,you talk to the walls...
be more sensitive for all comments writing in similar grammer sentences technics/logic show us written by only one or two persons.what i mean that all these comment can not be written seperately by multi writers..not possible.
@Faulconbridge
Jun 17th, 2012 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you the son of Summers or you wrote his speech?
“'hispanic' as a term for Spanish-speaking in English”
Yeah sure and according with your concept Jamaicans and Nigerians are Britons.
Where do you get your education in Oxford (street I mean)?
The term Hispanic in “English” is racist, derogative, etc. in US and for some countries like Mexico, Ecuador, Dominican Rep., Cuba, Colombia, central American, and even for Spaniard, etc.
Also “Spic”, Chicano, Cholo, Mexican, etc.
If someone was little dubious about the decision to support your cause you have lost him after he heard “Hispanic”.
So just in case because I see that you live in a tube if you go to US don’t call them “Seppos” or address Obama with a “Hi Coon”.
And for Argies. “Hispanic” means N. Americans calling someone from Mexico on a Hollywood class B movie.
@ reality check
There is not countryside or poor for you?
UK is pretty countryside mate you should travel more often specially for N. England, Wales, Scotland and so on. In fact in Wales the more often living ting you can see are sheep like in Scotland.
“We're seeing school closures in some rural areas at the moment, and petrol prices and diesel prices can have a really serious impact on people living in marginal rural areas where they have to travel long distances just to get basic services”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7273516.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7273516.stm
National statistics
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7273516.stm
So mate where a you from? NY perhaps?
@MistyThink
May be he is a bot?
201 José Malvinero
Jun 17th, 2012 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is your list of Spanish Governors of the Falkland Islands supposed to be a joke? Where did they govern from and what were they governing? They certainly weren't living here.
I can't see many Argentines on your list of Argentine governors either. I can see a few adventurers who had permission to be here from the British.
Anyway, I could appoint the next president of Argentina. Actually, I could even do the job myself from here in my living room, but it wouldn't mean anything, would it.
Oh, and Mike Summers was born in the Falklands. 'English agents'????
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Jun 17th, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rosario 214 says: “OK, go to UN, declare independence, and IF UN says is OK, is OK”.
Jun 17th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Rosario, if at some point in the future the islands did vote to become independent, are you saying that you would accept this? Would Argentina then drop its territorial claim? If not, why not?
This is a straight question by the way.
@191 Why would anyone, unless they were poor or ignorant, want to speak gibberish?
Jun 17th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@196 What illegal aliens?
@198 You're RIGHT!! They weren't born in the Malvinas. Because the Malvinas don't exist. Just figments of S. Am. imaginations fuelled by argie brainwashing. Do you understand that your ancestors were squatters?
@201 Where did you get your list? The telephone directory? Please show places of residence. By the way, as a member of the governing power of Britain, i.e. the people, I am nominating Herman Von Rompuy as the next Governor of the Falkland Islands. What do you have to say to that?
@202 My points have already been made for me by Faulconbridge. But here is a message for you and, if you care to pass it on via Maximo, to your “diplomats”. “Grow up!”
@214 Sorry. You've insulted me. In two ways. First by referring to me as “English”. I am British. Although I do live in England. If you don't understand this, try to follow Dany's argument about the use of the term “Hispanic”. Before saying or writing anything that references ethnicity, you must ask every person who might hear or read your words whether they find any of your words to be an insult. Secondly, you have written lots of gibberish. I find this insulting because, not being ignorant or poor, I don't speak or read gibberish. If you read the words in the Note at the top of this Comments section, you'll find that you have to write in a proper language. So, if your words “disappear”, it's because of me. I will not be insulted by having you yammer gibberish. Learn to speak, write or translate into a proper language.
I have been reading the comments that some of published for my comment 59, and i could see one more time that the proof yblem for some you is missioformation and hipocresy. On the other hand, the argument of some of you iskretina, whenngu reffer c. f. k, hat shows the low level of debate of some you, and for being honest, i'm not interesting in debting with such medioo ofcre people, c. f. i discuss about politic riedecicions, not about the hate that some o you feel for c. f. k., use somebody else for that. Respecting the rights of my country on the islands in 1833, i have always said that it's rights wer territoe besed on the succession of states. which is applied to all the emncipated colonial the territorie, that are succesors of the rights of the metropoli. Anyway, the u. k had rights too, i have a lot of information in my survey, i have proposed to send it to anyone
Jun 17th, 2012 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0| 216 |
Jun 17th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which National Football Team are you for ?
England ?...Wales ? ...N.Ireland ?...Scotland ?
I never heard UK/great Britain National Football Team names. !
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But there is a problem ...
This Mercopress Blog is in Argentina' s internet black list(forbidden) and not accessible and read from Argentina.
Dany 212 says: “The term Hispanic in “English” is racist, derogative, etc. in US and for some countries like Mexico, Ecuador, Dominican Rep., Cuba, Colombia, central American, and even for Spaniard, etc.
Jun 17th, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also “Spic”, Chicano, Cholo, Mexican, etc.”
Maybe you should tell ABC news: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/obama-romney-battle-hispanic-vote-intensifies-swing-states/story?id=16542875.
Maybe you should tell the Washington Post: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/obama-romney-battle-hispanic-vote-intensifies-swing-states/story?id=16542875.
Indeed, maybe you should tell President Obama himself:
“At more than 52 million strong, including 4 million in Puerto Rico, Hispanics constitute the country’s largest and fastest growing minority group. They have had a profound and positive impact on our country through, among other things, their community’s strong commitment to family, faith, hard work, and service…Our country was built on and continues to thrive on its diversity, and there is no doubt that the future of the United States is inextricably linked to the future of the Hispanic community.”
President Barack Obama, October 19, 2010
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/obama-romney-battle-hispanic-vote-intensifies-swing-states/story?id=16542875.
@219
Jun 17th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A lot of people here get offended when they find out that to us argies an Anglo is an American, Canadian, English, Scottish, Irish, South African, Australian, Jamaican, Kenyan... as long as they speak English and quack anglo mannerism.
Tons of people here told me “Obama is not anglo”... lol, what?
218 McClick
Jun 17th, 2012 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Which National Football Team are you for ?”
If you are going to try and be human, at least learn how to use the language properly first, dipsh*t. That isn't a proper question.
It should be “Which football team do you support?”
Very few people in the UK would us the expression“Hispanics”
Jun 17th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The more commonly used term is“Dagos”
'hispanic' as a term for Spanish-speaking in English'
Jun 17th, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Certainly, DB@212,especially for Latin America. For example, there are Schools of Hispanic Studies at several British universities. You''dbetter complain if you're that worked up about it.
'Yeah sure and according with your concept Jamaicans and Nigerians are Britons. '
No, but if they write in English, like Claude McKay or Wole Soyinka, say, they are part of English literature. If they settle in Britain, they become Britons.
'Where do you get your education in Oxford (street I mean)?;
No, but there are some excellent colleges teaching English in Oxford Street. You might like to attend one, if you can get a visa.
'The term Hispanic in “English” is racist, derogative, etc. in US and for some countries like Mexico, Ecuador, Dominican Rep., Cuba, Colombia, central American, and even for Spaniard, etc.
Also “Spic”, Chicano, Cholo, Mexican, etc.'
Mexicans regard being called Mexicans as racist? really? The term Hispanic is not racist in English, but, then, who cares what a bunch of dagos think?
What are you trying to say in the rest of your post?
220: LOL indeed.
Jun 17th, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say tomato, I say......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2oEmPP5dTM
Anglo is just based on language and cultural tendencies. So anyone who speaks English as their primary language, and lives in a former British colony who evinces the appropriate acculturation, is “anglo”.
Jun 17th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anglo-saxon (“anglosajon”), is much more narrow and is used more to describe what are considered peculiar traits, such as punctuality, cold-bloodedness, industriousness, duplicity/hipocrisy, and their characteristic anhedonia.
225 Truth_Telling_Troll
Jun 17th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No it isn't,
Have you been reading wrongapedia again? ( You have, haven't you!! Oh yes you have!! )
When someone is shows their duplicity/hipocrisy we don't say “How anglo-saxon of you” we call them a lying argie bast*rd.
@226
Jun 17th, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Emotional outbursts blocking logic a reccuring trait by anglos here, rather unusual since you take pride in your supposed sangfroid imperturbability.
You may not say that, but we do.
If someone shows lack of compassion for an injured human being, we say “que sangre fria, pareces anglosajon”.
Conversely, if someone arrives on time we say “puntualidad anglosajona”.
@208,213
Jun 17th, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As always, all the arguments Britain over the Malvinas, are SHIT by their total ignorance of history.
The list of governors IS NO joke, it is absolutely real.
The Spanish governors were appointed by the government of Buenos Aires and residing in the colony founded by Bougainville in Puerto Soledad (now Port San Luis) and of course living there, whose mandate was indicated in the list. The British had occupied only Port Egmont in 1765 (Saunders Island) after the founding of SOLEDAD, by Bougainville (1764) who recognized Spanish sovereignty and gave the colony to the Spanish Crown (1767). Spain DID NOT buy the colony, but paid Bougainville (not France) a sum for his expenses in Soledad. From 1767 until 1811, without interruption was governor of the Malvinas.
The first Spanish governor, Ruiz Puente, upon learning of the presence of English in Egmont sent to Madariaga, who in 1770 SURRENDERED to the English. To avoid a war with England, Spain allowed the British to return to Egmont (Masserano Declaration), pledging they leave, which they did in 1774. This ends the British presence (8 years) on an island in the archipelago, the island Saunders (Trinidad for us).
In total, spent 44 years of uninterrupted presence of 20 governors until 1811 that due to the emancipatory revolution in Buenos Aires, Soledad was evacuated. Produced Independence Argentina (Prov. Unit River Plate) in 1816, the new state inherited the islands as part of its territory, and soon sent to David Jewett in 1820 to take possession of the islands which makes his government name (Buenos Aires).
In 1829 the central government created the Political and Military Command of the Malvinas Islands by the appointment of Luis Vernet commander and to Pinedo. After 59 years (1774 to 1833) Clio in 1833 appears to make a real usurpation and lower the flag of Argentina ... until April 2, 1982.
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Jun 17th, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0228 José Malvinero
Jun 17th, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“As always, all the arguments Britain over the Malvinas, are SHIT by their total ignorance of history.”
History: The dispute was settled in the 1850 peace treaty (“Convention between Great Britain and the Argentine Confederation, …”)
Vice-president Marcos Paz's opening speach to the Argentine Congress on 1 May 1866:
“Este mismo gobierno [= el gobierno británico] aceptó por árbitro al Presidente de la República de Chile, sobre perjuicios sufridos por súbditos ingleses en 1845. Aun no se ha resuelto esta cuestión que es la única que con aquella nación subsiste.” (Heraclio Mabragaña, Los Mensajes 1810-1910, Buenos Aires 1910, vol. III, p. 238)
“The British Government has accepted the President of the Republic of Chile as arbitrator in the reclamation pending with the Argentine Republic, for damages suffered by English subjects in 1845. This question, which is the only one between us and the British nation, has not yet been settled.”
(British and Foreign State Papers 1866-1867, printed London 1871, p. 1009). President Domingo Faustino Sarmiento in his Message to the Argentine Congress on 1 May 1869:
“El estado de nuestras relaciones exteriores responde á las aspiraciones del país. Nada nos reclaman las otras Naciónes: nada tenemos que pedir de ellas, sino es la continuación de las manifestaciones de simpatía con que de parte de pueblos y gobiernos ha sido favorecida la República por sus progresos y espíritu de justicia.” (Heraclio Mabragaña 1910, vol. III, p. 286)
“The state of our foreign relations fulfils the aspirations of the country. Nothing is claimed from us by other nations; we have nothing to ask of them except that they will persevere in manifesting their sympathies, with which both Governments and peoples have honoured the Republic, both for its progress and its spirit of fairness.” (Source: British and Foreign State Papers 1870-1871 (printed London 1877), pp. 1227-1228).
@228 Did all these governors actually live on the Falkland Islands?
Jun 17th, 2012 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And if as the Argentines claim that they inherited The Falkland Islands from Spain, where is the documentation to prove this handover from Spain?
If there was a treaty between the United Provinces of the River Plate and Spain on independence then it will be documented.
218
Jun 18th, 2012 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0true,but not forbidden by any court decision,just erasing from web search engines....not only Argentina all other countries have their own
censorships.
Alright, lets say the pro-malvanists are correct (they are not), but, indulge them this senario for a moment and the Brit Government say, here have the islands, they are yours, they pull out of the islands and leave them to their fate, ( In reality this would never happen either) what will Argentina do? They have a population on the islands who hate them, want nothing to do with them and even with a small defence force, would all fight to the last to repel any invaders. They would never accept Argentina so Argentina would eventually prevail and remove all the population that are still alive, execute them or send them to the UK. They will then populate the islands with Argentinean people who could just about put up with living in this harsh environment. All that was good before after generations of hard work by the original Falkland Islanders would be destroyed. Stanley would be a stinking cesspit oil town full of drunks and whores, the wildlife would be killed and Argentina would be accused of genocide and be in turmoil as they entered their own civil war while they continued to inplode into chaos as they no longer have anyone else to blame for their stupidity or distract the masses. Could happen, is this worth it? Thankfully, the British would never forsake the wishes of the Falkland Islands people, so we are safe from this ever happening, we would blow Argentina to hell first!
Jun 18th, 2012 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0For a Country so desperate to negotiate you would have thought they would have been at least interested in what the Falkland Islanders had to say.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even if they only wanted to sit down and and talk, a vague knowledge of Islander current thinking, might have assisted the conversation.
Of course the overly emotional and rude way Kirchner handles herself rules out discussions of any kind unless it relates to the return of Patagonia to British rule.
What do you expect from Argentina's implanted population?
Jun 18th, 2012 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Darwin
Jun 18th, 2012 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 01- “Many who identify themselves as Latino (men) or Latina (women) object to being called or classified Hispanic because they consider themselves native to the hemisphere and want no association with Spanish conquistadors who destroyed pre-Colombian civilizations. It's considered especially offensive among Californians...” fsu.edu
2-“The US government, trying to find a correct term for this group of people immigrating to the US and speaking Spanish, came up with the term “Hispanic” for it is the language the most important fact that ties all people coming from Spain, Mexico, Central and South America.
In reality many Hispanics do not like being called this and they prefer the term “Latino” followed by naming the country of origin. ie: ”...yes I am Latino/a but Mexican, Colombian, and so on”
http://rbird.com/movabletype/askmarivi/archives/hispanic-or-latino.php
“Indeed, maybe you should tell President Obama himself”
Obama & wife touched your Queen and Bush was winking to her majesty ha ha what do you expect.
Calling someone from those countries “Hispanic” is offensive. Do you call a Canadian or Belgian Franco because he/she speaks French? Or an Irish, Scottish or Welch Englander because they speak English?
Do you get the idea?
@ Faulconbridge
Ha ha you don’t understand because your little head is overwhelmed.
For some countries and including US east coast, Texas, California, etc. where there are a lot of people from aborigine background like in Mexico, etc. they don’t like to be called “Hispanics”.
That is the point.
Do you understand now Mohammed or is toooo difficult for you?
Do you want a kebab now?
Oh! Sorry I don’t have any because my dog was too hungry.
236
Jun 18th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain was once part of the highly advanced Moor Empire and was ruled by “Mohammeds” for nearly 800 years.
Spics like you, try to air brush this out of their history but its the absolute truth.
As a result Spanish people are closely related to their African cousins. I wouldn't get too sniffy about “Mohammeds” if I was you.
Dany 236: “It's considered especially offensive among Californians...”
Jun 18th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No it’s not. I lived in California for five years and some of my family live there still.
http://www.calisphere.universityofcalifornia.edu/calcultures/ethnic_groups/ethnic3.html
“Obama & wife touched your Queen and Bush was winking to her majesty ha ha what do you expect.”
I expect Obama of all people to have a damn good idea of what is, and is not offensive when he makes a major fundraising speech to an important constituency.
'For some countries and including US east coast, Texas, California, etc. where there are a lot of people from aborigine background like in Mexico, etc. they don’t like to be called “Hispanics”. ;
Jun 18th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you say, DB@236. Unfortunately, you don't priduce any evidence for your claim. The fact remains, in the UK Hispanic refers to Spanish-speaking, especially in the Americas, and is common usage. If they object, then people from aborigine background like in Mexico, etc. had better find other languages to speak. Most of the Argentinians could revert to their ancestral Italian.
I like “Mohammeds” and “spics”, how about that! As much as any other “racial” groups that is and depending on if the individual is good (Cristina, Mohammed Ali etc) or bad (Miami gangsters, Saudi kings etc)...
Jun 18th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you editor for remove all my posts ;) i´m not insuting and write in language similar to english ;)
Jun 18th, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That´s i was saying, you ARE A POPULATION, not original from there, so you cannot to be a country...that´s why you cannot be independent-
If 250.000 british people who live in mainland DECLARE ”we are british, BUT SAN ISIDRO now is the place where we can live, please keep british San Isidro, was the same-
Reade this please: NOT KIRCHNERIST, from the opposition of the government-
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Bienvenido-plebiscito_0_720528018.html
Regards
241 Rosarino (#
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are a population, you killed the original indians, you should never have got independance from spain. We did not kill anyone, we have a right.
@Rosarino
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0And if they declare to be part of Pakistan what would happen?
Ha ha
Who gives advise to the islanders on foreign affairs? A butcher perhaps?
: )
Argentina's democracy is barely the timespan of a decent length mortgage in the Western world. It is not far enough away from the actions of the military junta and therefore still demonstrates what appears to be its innate resorting to aggression and force. Argentina's people did too little to oppose the military when they were in power and what was done by the military was done in their name whether or not they accept this. Argentina's behaviour is infantile in the World of democracy like a child throwing its toys out of the pram when it does not get what it wants. Mature democracies will not give in to this blackmail.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Against this, the United Kingdom is a long-standing, never-conquered democracy, a powerful member of the United Nations, a permanent member of the security council, an EU member, a NATO member, a Commonwealth member and a respected member of the international community.
Despite many attacks on the UK by terrorists et al over the years, including the attempted assassination of the Prime Minister, the UK did not give in to terrorists and those using force to achieve their aims. We never give in and we never give up.
The Falkland Islands is an overseas territory of the UK, and this will remain so. Perhaps it is time to incorporate the Falklands into the United Kingdom itself (as an autonomous entity), and remove any doubt that Argentina may have as to our position, or that of our British Citizens in residence there.
One begins to experience serious fatigue listening to the 'macho-moaning' emanating from Queen Christina and Lapdog Timerman. It is only a matter of time before they fade into irrelevance with this broken record.
The wise thing to do (explains why they haven't done it!), would have been to woo the islanders ... but that would have required patience, something Argentina is short of, along with food, jobs, diplomacy, as well as foresight and hindsight.
Argentina is an aggressor. It knows no other way, and cannot demonstrate otherwise.
@244 TreborDoyle
Jun 19th, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well written. The UK has earned its place on the security council, it can be trusted to work within international and UN law. Your suggestion is mighty fine, Hawaii being an example of just such a relationship, 1400 miles from its mothership the USA.
In my comment 217, i tried to answer some comments, but i had a problem with my computer and i coudn't correct the mistakes i made when i typed most words, and it was suddenly published, in a few days, my computer will be repaired and i'll give some answers.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@TreborDoyle
Jun 20th, 2012 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0“the United Kingdom is a long-standing, never-conquered democracy”
I guess you are not counting Jamaica, Pakistan and other Middle East countries that already have taken control over UK since long time ago.
@ 245 Musky
Jun 21st, 2012 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- thank you :) Like the Hawaii comparison.
@247 DanyBerger
- Don't understand what you mean, are you being racist towards Jamaicans, Pakistani's and those of Middle-Eastern origin ... if so, please do not address me with comments such as these ... they are unintellectual.
#247
Jun 21st, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where in the UK do you live to spout such nonsense ? Your premise and arithmetic is faulty. Also, please do not direct me to some BNP site on youtube
to illustrate your comment.
The latest population figures for the UK show that “whites” make up about 91% of the population. The rest are made up of various racial groups who, by and large, have contributed to the countries economy. In no way could you say that Jamaicans, Pakistanis or Middle Eastern citizens have taken over the country. The UK has very liberal attitudes to people speaking their minds hence the impression that other ethnic groups take all the headlines when they
espouse a cause.
I have noticed your tendency to be racist. Is it because of your own origins? Nazi Germany was not known for its tolerance of non-aryans .
I always thought that this was ironic as the aryans originally came from India !
#247 Danny you're not doing the anti-imperialist cause any favours with racist comments like that. Its actually one of the many things Britain and Argentina have in common that we're both countries of immigrants, and should both be proud of it
Jun 21st, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@TreborDoyle
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I’m not racist Bro. What’s wrong with the Jamaican, Pakistani & other cultures taking over UK and reshaping the face of UK?
I’m really glad with that in fact I used to have some Jamaican friends in UK and we love to kick white skinny Brits @rsses just for fun. Go to Brixton Road and Brigton Terrace (Red Record) and Ask for Dany the German/Argie bastard Alias Dark Viking and may be you will get some dope free.
Why are you so upset mate?
To be honest the only thing interesting from UK is the talented guys from African and Caribbean background that have shaped British boring music. Otherwise we would be still be listening to the boring Beatles or the fofy Elton John and his candle in the wind aggghh! Such horror!!!!!!!!!!!
Freddie Mercury South Africa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjwZ_9n4DVE
Leee John Santa Lucia background http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjwZ_9n4DVE
Seal Nigerian background http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjwZ_9n4DVE
Heather Small (M People) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjwZ_9n4DVE
PM Cameron (from Africa) best song “Cutting in the wind”
Just who do you thing you are... la la cutting you all misery you have... la la la la, la la la la
Come sing Bro.
@Clyde15
Barabap, brabap Illusion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjwZ_9n4DVE
@ British_Kirchnerist
You have a wrong impression about me, I’m not racist at all, in fact I am recognising the good influence in UK culture from different ethics.
Since when recognising a huge population of foreigners in UK from not European background turns a person racist?
I will tell you what is a hidden racist, someone that keeps telling that 91% of the population in UK is white. This is a big lie.
So are you a hidden racist Mr BK (may be George is your name?)
Saying that in Argentina are Bolivians or that in Germany are Turks turns you a racist?
Of course not the racist one is who denies their existence. I’m not denying Turks in Germany or Bolivians in Argentina.
Where is my Bro Brit
#251
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least I was right about one thing - German atecedents.
I took the figures from the UK census report.
I see you admit to taking dope - explains everything - addled brain.
As to music, a personal taste. I thought that people of German ancestry in Argentina liked the Horst Wessel song and wir fahren gegen England.
The latter would appear appropriate in view of the bile and threats being posted by some of your compatriots.
George is not my name, and I'm not a hidden racist, if you're celebrating immigration like in your last post thats all good, though I still don't like your incessant “Mohammed” jibes
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Clyde15
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 01- When did I admit to take any dope?
I said “you may be will get some free”. What is another thing.
2- Where did I say something that gives you the impression that is my personal taste?
And you say that mine is the “addled brain”?
Anyway don’t worry I’m not homophobic either so if you promise me that you will not kiss me I will dance with you.
Can I choose the music?
Do you like something very British like this perhaps?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS9OQbgmlIU
Or Just Bück Dich?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS9OQbgmlIU
Ha ha
@British_Kirchnerist
Again with Mohammed? I explained to you before that is a name like George.
Since when a popular name is an aggressive remark directed at a person?
1-Do you recognise the name Mohammed and spelling variants are the most popular names in Britain? Nope?
Here the proof of that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS9OQbgmlIU
2- If a say here come the Georges I’m being offending someone in Britain or somewhere else? Nope
So why using Mohammed yes?
The answer about this is quite simple “Mohammed” is stigmatised may be in some people minds (unconscious racists and religion fanatics) as a something bad.
Which is not may case.
So ask your local Dr. Psychologist and he will tell you that I’m absolutely right. If you don’t have one there are plenty of Dr. Psychologist websites free to address your answer.
So now you tell me what means to you the name Mohammed so we can understand why are you so upset.
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