Cameron will personally present Falklands message to Kirchner
By Graham Bound, London - Argentina's President Cristina Fernandez will get her wish on Monday or Tuesday, when she meets Prime Minister David Cameron in the fringes of the G20 meeting in Mexico to talk about the Falkland Islands.
But Cristina Fernandez might have been well advised to be careful what she wished for. Far from giving in to her demands for talks about the future status of the Falklands, the British leader is going to present a blunt message. In effect, he will say enough is enough - we will not give in to your demands over the Falklands and the aggressive diplomacy and economic action needs to be replaced by something more constructive.
The British Prime Minister has told Falklands legislators about the planned meeting, at which he will warn Buenos Aires that they should not underestimate Britain's commitment, both politically and militarily, to defend the 3.000 Islanders' and their wish to remain British.
The British leadership appears to have decided that this message needs to pass personally from one leader to the other, following on from Cristina Fernandez show-stealing appearance at the United Nations Committee on Decolonisation last week, which was part of an unprecedented international campaign for international support over the “Malvinas”.
It is possible that the mercurial President will anticipate the Prime Minister's message, and refuse to meet him, thus presenting her own uncompromising message. But if they do meet, the language exchanged is likely to be adequately diplomatic but to-the-point and uncompromising. A slim olive branch may, however, be extended: the PM will probably tell the Argentines that it would be possible to talk about practical issues over the Falklands that have the potential to benefit both nations as well as the Islands; for example conservation of fish stocks and oil exploration. But the outlook for this initiative is not good; Islanders attempted to present such a message when they were in the same room as the Argentine leadership last week, but the Argentine Foreign Minister rebuffed their approach.
Official British support for Falkland Islanders is at its strongest since the war of 1982. London fears that unless the Argentines are made to understand that their efforts are futile, the aggressive diplomacy and attempts to isolate the Falklands will increase, possibly to a point at which the Islands shipping and air links with the continent are broken, and diplomatic relations dissolve completely.
Downing Street's message for the G20 was trailed last week in London. In a powerful symbolic statement on 14 June, the 30th anniversary of the Argentine surrender, the Falkland Islands flag was flown over Number 10. At the same time, a Foreign Office minister was in Port Stanley. And that evening, the Prime Minister attended a reception hosted by the Falkland Islands Government, where he made an uncompromising speech.
Mr Cameron spoke of “aggression from over the water”, and said: “My message to the government of Argentina is this. The UK has no aggressive intentions towards you. But do not under-estimate our resolve. Threats will not work; attempts to intimidate the Islanders will not succeed, because Britain stands ready and willing to stand up for the Falkland Islanders at any time. As long as they wish to remain a British territory, that is the way it will stay.”
Elected member of the Islands' Legislative Assembly, Gavin Short, who recently announced plans to conduct a formal referendum about Islanders' wishes, said that he welcomed the Prime Minister's words, but he did not expect Argentine activity over the Falklands to end any time soon. “The unequivocal statement by the PM was extremely well received here in the Falklands,” he said.
”I suspect now that the 14th June (the 30th anniversary of the war) is over, low level skirmishing will resume, although we may have to be wary because as the Argentine economy slides ever deeper into crisis it may well cause the government in Argentina to become even more desperate to divert attention away from what looks like being a looming disaster” concluded MLA Short.
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Long Live the Falklands.
Desire the Right.
I cannot imagine what those kelpers were thinking of when they tried to pass that letter to CFK.
In international politics, States deal with States NOT with oversees territories.
I am sure CFK will gladly receive the letter from another Head of State such as Cameron
Of course - so many of Argentina's claims are merely a distortion of the truth ;-)
from the BA times....'Kirchnerites may swear they won’t change the electoral system, but they are liars,' UCR’s head says...
The head of the Radical Party (UCR), Mario Barletta, said his party will not support a government’s constitutional reform plan “not even if they [Kirchnerites] swear by all religions and saints of the world that they won’t modify the presidential electoral system to validate a second re-election.”
In that sense, Barletta said he has “no doubt that this government will try to attack the Republic, the institutions and the Constitution itself before 2013, after 2013, and always”, and concluded, “Not if they bring it written in stone, we do not believe them because they are all liars.”
@11 'Port Stanley' ...go fuck your hat....
“If Cameron does that, will be its worst diplomatic blunder.”
Au contraire - it will be la Argentina implicitly accepting that she has unfinished business with the Falkland Islands' government.
That is why you keep 3000 sodiers down there.
that is the way you want to handle things ..., Argentina wants to talk, you just want to use a nuclear submarine...
pirates ....
Argentina just need to get back the islands, if they want to stay there, no problem also, stay... but you put down your ilegal flag send back the british army to the other hemisphere where it belongs ( I bet all the soldiers are born in England, no one in the Malvinas )
Kelpers are there only because of the warpower, nothing else than that.
Get used to it.
PM Cameron welcome to present - or extend - a Falkland Islands message to CFK, and whether she sees it as threatening to her tactics of obfuscation and subterfuge is up to her.
A. You lie about everything.
B. You're too poor and weak to do anything other than lie about everything.
:)
I really dont know why you bother!
There are a number of glaring errors in your post.
The Falkland Islands have never been stolen by the British. Three times in history someone has tried to steal them from Britain.
In 1771 Spain and Britain nearly went to war over them but agreed diplomatically to share them. Two “adult” countries behaving like adults.
In 1832 Argentine sent a penal colony under Esteban Mestevier to try and steal sovereignty. The poor chap was murdered by his own crew and his wife raped in front of her children. This penal colony was removed 3 months later and British sovereignty re-established. One adult country (UK), one bunch of murdering rapists (Argentina).
In 1833 when Britain re-established sovereignty, there was a small independent business present on then Islands, set up by Luis Vernet. This community was there with the permission of London and was encouraged to stay (and did). Subsequent Argentine claims that it was an “indigenous Argentine community, removed by the British” are lies.
The third time the islands were “stolen” was in 1982. This was another embarrassing defeat for Argentina, militarily in 1982 when a heavily outnumbered British force regained the islands, but especially today. To see Kirchner blame a “military junta” and take no responsibility for her countries history is gob-smacking.
So there you have it, three sovereignty disputes. The UK and Spain are able to solve theirs like adults. Argentine behave like murders, rapists, pirates and liars.
The Falkland Islanders are defended by the British because of Argentinas history of murder, rape and theft. And they will be for as long as they want to be.
DESIRE THE RIGHT.
Marcos seriously, do you think that this is pressure, I think you need to place more emphasis on the author if this article, 'be careful what you wish for'. Do you seriously think in diplomacy terms at the UN your country has any clout? Standby for a permanent member to cause you grief . The problem you have is that even if you were to succeed in your bogus claim, that would cause chaos around the world with all sorts of people claiming everything that's on their doorstep. It ain't gonna happen!
If the UN had not had not recieved misleading information from Argentina in the 1960s, 2065 would not have happened, but uinfortunately Britain was not aware of its own supporting history. Our bad at the time.
Argentina ratcheting up the situation has had a very welcome benefit.
Whereas before, HMG, the British Press and the UK in general, even I suspect some of the Falklanders did not have a clue about the history of the Falklands and chose to ignore it, what has been revealed through examining carefully (not just cherry picking bits off them) past treaties, ship manifests, Darwins accounts, diaries etc has actually shown that the Argentines case has more holes in it than in its seabed museum of aircraft splashed by the task force in 1982.
I was actually told by an MLA, we prefer not to discuss 1833 as it looks dodgy, but if the said MLA had actually extracted a digit from his backside, done his job which the posters on this forum have done better than him (and not been paid for it), and examined it thoroughly it is quite clear to any idiot that the events in 1833 and prior to are not detrimental to the Falkland Islanders case at all, in fact they are a gift and key factor in exposing the Argentines innacurate portrayal of history.
Sod the Brazillians with their 'they're militarising 'OUR' latin america' ... Falklanders are not latin, and have no intention of being, so keep your untrustworthy corrupt little mittens of 'OUR' anglo-french america.
'You as a nation are pathologically incapable of building trust'. Easy message to give to the Argies there.
I give for example the way the government tries to control the press here placing huge pressure on them to conform to the line of the current government (this has been reported on extensivily by the BsAs hearld, clarin and the rest of the free press in Argentina), the block on the purchase of dollers there by denying Argentines and residents the right to choose how and where they hold their savings, (we are made to support a faulty econonic model we do not belive in), growing crime and corruption (we have even seen the vice president being investigated for taking backhanders for awarding government contracts).
CFK has no intrest in solving this issue and is intrested in only using it as a distraction to the country and in paticuler the poorer classes (and therefore Argentine masses) from the fact that she is going to have to cut social spending very soon or risk depening the recesion Argentine is in. Yes Argentine is is recesion (2 consecutive periods of negative growth) as we have been hearing from independent econimists within the country. The problem is the high inflation that will lead to either hyperinflation (if she chooses to carry out quantative easing) or more likely stagflation for an economy unable to move. The houseing market is already gone.
I implore Argentines to see her tricks and take back your country. Neogociation on the islands will have to wait untill the 1982 war is out of living memory and the bullying from Argentina stops.
The problem is this is not how diplomacy works. Any discussions on the handover or sharing of soverinity (as she stated in her speach to the C24, i.e. secret paper from Perons time) must come from a position of trust between the population, the British government and the Argentine government and this does NOT exist at the current time.
The only way we can advance in the issue is to discuss and agree on other mutual issues (i.e. oil exploration, fisheries etc) as Cameron is suggesting in order to lay a foundation of trust that can then be advanced in the future. Their was real progress made with Menem and Blair in the 1990s and had it not been for Nestor Kirchiner unilaterlay discrading the agreements when he came to power, that foundation of trust would possibly of existed.
I could see one day a shared soveringity in the islands and closer ties between the two nations however it will need to be outside of living memory of the war (so that patriotic fervour on both sides has subsided) and following years and years on argeements which lay a foundation of trust. I am however, sceptical that the Peronists want this and are intrested in a quick populrist policies which increases the voter base.
I ask CFK to take this oppurtuntity to enter into non soveringity negociations so that we can build the foundation for the future of possible soveringity talks. Like she says give peace a chance. Just be aware that after the Argentines actions in 1982 and the bullying since this will take a long time and a change in policy to convince the islanders that you have their intrests at heart so that they can see they have nothing to fear from you and that you will preserve their current rights and freedoms. This could even be similar to Hong Kong where there is the one country different system policy in place.
@11 There will be NO negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. Britain may “offer” the possibility of co-operation with argieland. If argieland negotiates the details with the FIG and if Britain agrees.
@14 Bear it in mind. Talk, on our terms, or else.
@16 Argieland will not be getting the Islands. Nor will it be raising its flag. EVER. Get used to it.
@17 Nope, no pressure. Just timing. After all, this is likely to be the last G20 meeting CFK will attend. The Americans are already pointing out that argieland needs to exit as soon as it no longer meets the criteria.
@20 Did argieland say anything? No-one was listening!
The fact is that Cameron is on quite safe ground. Let's assume she does dare to talk to him. The first words might be:
Cameron: The FIG are prepared to hold discussions in respect of fishing co-operation and oil exploration.
CFK: We want to talk about sovereignty. And we will only talk to Britain.
Cameron: No. Was there anything else?
CFK: Alright, we will talk to FIG about fishing and oil. And sovereignty.
Cameron: Watch my lips. You get to talk to FIG about what FIG is prepared to talk to you about. Sovereignty isn't one of those things. And you will have to go to the Falklands.
CFK: I will send a team. Headed by my foreign minister.
Cameron: Watch my lips again. YOU will go to the Falklands. You may nominate the members of your team. FIG will determine who is and who isn't acceptable.
CFK: I will NOT go to the Falklands!
Cameron: Who are you going to talk to then? By the way, this conversation is being video-recorded. Now, can we get on to talking about the number of times your country has deliberately LIED to the United Nations on this issue?
DC had better watch his presentation as I can imagine Christina-Latina will perform worst than at the C24 and DC will have confort her with neck massage.
Each and every time Britain and the islanders hold out an olive branch it is snubbed. Why do we bother? Perhaps it is because we see them as misguided and brainwashed and so they can't help it.
Argentina get on with prospering and doing well in the world and leave your misguided dreams behind.
Argentine government, forget the falklands, you are using it as a whipping boy... when it all goes wrong (as it is now) we'll blame the falklands.
I just wonder from where he is going to borrow a Carrier, planes and TM.
Any Idea?
Why is there going to be a war?
Yeah! sure mate.
I hope CaMoron will not lose something in the precess he is very distracted on these days tension perhaps? Another war? Who knows?
PM left daughter aged 8 down pub
www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4365514/David-Cameron-left-his-daughter-aged-8-down-pub-after-lunch.html
@Leiard
“Why is there going to be a war?”
Because Camoron is and idiot and in despair.
Who is going to start this war?
She will be well advised then by Dany boy with his great military training and knowledge of modern warfare !
A carrier isn't needed today for the same reasons that Spitfires weren't needed in 1982.
I'm guessing he wants the UK to start it.
CFK will not attend, as she has no wish to be embarrassed, and proved a liar,
She has thus instructed her loyal bloggers to defend her honour, on her behalf,
To confuse and tell any excuse for her absents .
,,,,,,,,,,,
Just a rumour
[But we see her bloggers have already started to defend her]
So there must be a grain of truth in her forthcoming absents .
.
And then lets see if the grass is sweeter on the other side .
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www.prensa.argentina.ar/2012/06/18/31617-la-presidenta-participa-en-la-cumbre-del-g-20-en-mexico.php
“That is why you keep 3000 sodiers down there.”
I thought we kept soldiers down there to prevent another invasion by another crackpot argentine government?
You do seem to grow one of those every few years, although i also note how easily you change your constitution to suit the incumbent, re-election after re-election - oh? the constitution says I cant? Never mind, i'll just change it.
crazy, crazy people
3000 in total (1200 troops and 1800 civilians)
3000 troops
3000 civilians and 1200 troops... but the troops are forcing the civilians to stay British.
aaaand so on.
“Because Camoron is and idiot and in despair” LOL. You know what mate? You are half right.
Came-moron is an idiot, a kn*bend of the highest order, a loony conservative who is doing his level best to finish the job that Gordon “I haven't got a funny nickname” Brown started, and that is to run this country into the ground.
But get this ( and this is the weird part ) on the Falklands Issue, he's dead right. So my question to you would be, given that Came-moron is such a kn*bhead and even, being a kn*bhead, he can see that he's right, what is KFC's excuse?
I know, I know!! she must be a bigger waste of oxygen than Came-moron.
You see, he isn't in dispair, all this noise and the threat's coming from Argentina isn't making him desparate or forcing him into a downwards spiral of depression, it's just like someone trying to beat you death with a feather pillow, you know? it doesn't actually hurt and there is no danger whatsoever, but it does get annoying after a while..... He just wants KFC to shove it up her a*se and f**k off while she's doing it.
How many British military personnel and hardware were there in the Islands in 1982 April 2?
What happened on April 2 1982?
In the entire South Atlantic how many British military personnel and how much hardware is there? What is the ratio of military personnel and hardware per km2?
What proportion does this represent of the total British forces and the spending on forces?
Which country is almost 15 times larger than the UK and with a smaller population?
Are you pathetic trolls/angry/indoctrinated people who don't have the courage to seek the truth and appreciate what you already have in your massive resource rich beautiful country?
@34 Pete Bog
I would say that 1833 is now irrelevant. I trust the english version of events more than the Argentine especially after what I've seen of recent Argentine political behaviour. But it was a long time ago and there is no way of verifying the facts of what happened in 1833 to the point where the immoral, inept politicians of the Argentine political system would accept them. We've seen how untrustworthy and pathetic they are.
I believe what should be focused on 100% is the fact that there is a very well established, resilient, well managed and prospering society small as it may be that have the right to choose their governance and live in peace. In a similar vein if Santa Cruz resoundingly wanted to be independent of BA or Cornwall of the UK then why not?
The right to self determination of a people cannot be trumped which ever way its looked at.
Dannyberger has delusions of victorous argentine soldiers goose stepping through BA after ethinically cleansing the islands with him at their head - while the crowds raise their right hands and shout “heil Danny”.
He does'nt seem to realise that the only way a war would start in the south atlantic is if argentina fires the first shots- which they are'nt likely to do. He also does'nt seem to realise war won't be as much fun as he thinks.
CK: Give me Las Malvinas
DC: They are not mine to give, the Islands belong to the Islanders
CK: Give me Las Malvinas
DC: Cristina, you need to talk to the FIG, they have the right to self-determination.
CK: They are pirates who stole our land in 1833. We planted a turnip and everything.
DC: it wasn't your land in 1833. We gave Vernet permission to be there, and his community stayed after the HMS Clio arrived.
CK: Give me Las Malvinas, the birds from Argentina migrate there.
DC: Twice you have tried to steal our islands, the first in 1832 where we had to evict Pinedo and his bunch of murderous rapists, and the second in 1833 where we evicted Galteiri's band...at the cost of 255 British lives.
CK: Give me Las Malvinas, it is connected to the mainland under the sea.
DC: Crisitina, you are arguments are a joke. You are embarrassing yourself with these pathetic rants. We are NEVER going to negotiate sovereignty with you. NEVER. No Mercorsur, No C24, No OAS...NEVER EVER. GET IT?
CK: Give me Las Malvinas.
DC: No.
I think we can all see for ourselves the result: a brooding. ineffective life, full of failure and blaming it on the Brits.
If ever an armed conflict arises I just hope this failure does the correct thing for once and join the armed forces and become a part of what he wants.
Not holding my breath on that one!
If a conflict ever does arrive, our hero Dany is willing to send wave after wave of cannon fodder at us, whilst he pushes some toy soldiers and boats around on a map, deep in his bunker under BA. He'll probably even add his own sound affects.
He has stated in the past that he's willing to sacrifice at least 10,000 Argentinians. The 'little' ordinary people of course, he's far too important to risk his own life. ;0)
these indocrinated bloggers, will quietly disapear into the woodwork,
But my question - which I have asked several times before with NO REPLY - is this - on what historical/legal basis is the belated Argentina claim to South Georgia based..? You cannot claim that it was Spanish territory since under the Treaty of Tordessilas it was alloted to Portugal. The truth of the matter is that it is purely based on proximity just like your childish claim to the Falklands and thus it has no legal bearing whatsoever.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 10:28 pm
It is actually based on the fact that South Georgias et al are all Dependencies of the British Falkland Islands, so when Perón and his mates claimed the Falklands they also threw in the Dependencies, quire simple really.
Isolation of the Falklands from the the main land is hurting bad and causing economic turmoil in the Falklands. Money talks. No need for war.
OK, so let's get this right....
Argentina decides that South Georgia should be added to their claim as it is administered that way by the British as part of the Falklands territories?
If so, that's de facto recognition of UK administration (equates to sovereignty) and IMO Argentina is a chancer of the first order
Your evidence for this comes from where?
Silly pr****
If so, that's de facto recognition of UK administration (equates to sovereignty) and IMO Argentina is a chancer of the first order”
Thanks Steveu (No 79) you nailed it..!
@Simon 68 - I believe Argentina's “claim” to S.Georgia, etc, only dates from circa 1940. Since SG has always been administered from the Falklands, why did it take them so long to put in their claim to the dependencies? A chancer indeed..!
Never mind carriers etc, the troops already based on the islands and those that the UK can quickly put on the islands are many times superior to the Argie soldiers and the current garrison with all its air defence capability plus the submarine and destroyer patrols with its missile and hunter killer capability can stave off anything thrown at it by Argentina, why do you think that CFK keeps moaning on about how militarised the islands are? Its because she knows that Argentina stands no chance with a 'military' option as things are now and she wants this reduced so that she can include this option. We all know that except you Danny Fanny.
Against this, the United Kingdom is a long-standing, never-conquered democracy, a powerful member of the United Nations, a permanent member of the security council, an EU member, a NATO member, a Commonwealth member and a respected member of the international community.
Despite many attacks on the UK by terrorists et al over the years, including the attempted assassination of the Prime Minister, the UK did not give in to terrorists and those using force to achieve their aims. We never give in and we never give up.
The Falkland Islands is an overseas territory of the UK, and this will remain so. Perhaps it is time to incorporate the Falklands into the United Kingdom itself (as an autonomous entity), and remove any doubt that Argentina may have as to our position, or that of our British Citizens in residence there.
One begins to experience serious fatigue listening to the 'macho-moaning' emanating from Queen Christina and Lapdog Timerman. It is only a matter of time before they fade into irrelevance with this broken record.
The wise thing to do (explains why they haven't done it!), would have been to woo the islanders ... but that would have required patience, something Argentina is short of, along with food, jobs, diplomacy, as well as foresight and hindsight.
Argentina is an aggressor. It knows no other way, and cannot demonstrate otherwise.
Isolation of the Falklands from the the main land is hurting bad and causing economic turmoil in the Falklands. Money talks. No need for war.”
Are you serious, the Falkland Islands has one of the best GDP's in the world (7th I think). Not being able to get produce over from South America is annoying but we can do without. I'm sure it won't be long before we set up a shipping link with South Africa if Argentina keeps up it's temper tantrum blockades.
I don't know about Argentina not “needing” a war but even if they did they don't have the means to start one. The Typhoons, SAM sites and the type 45 could probably hold off an Argentine invasion without needing a taskforce sent down this time, not to mention the hunter killer sub that that the Argentines claim is in the area.
Hello DannyBurger this is the free Falkland islands radio station calling, yes its safe now to come out, its all over once again 2-0 to the Falkland islanders and their friends from the UK.
Its now once more safe to come out and to continue with the drivel that you usually post. Hows Christina doing with her new job as chief toilet cleaner at the municipal bogs by the way, I hear its right up her street what with all the Shite she has been coming out with recently. It must have been such a nice feeling for her when big David pushed her botoxed face down the toilet at that meeting before it all kicked off that she thought to herself what the fuck am I doing trying to run a country I am much more at home cleaning shit from around the rim of toilets. Anyway got to go now we are having one hell of a knees up down the Globe Tavern.
BK, I'm going to suggest a scenario for you to think about:
David Cameron is elected PM ad eternum in the UK. Just cogitate on that situation for a while.
Well BK, that is exactly the feeling we in Argentina have about Kretina, do you get it?
Wrong way round, it was the hapless bint from Argentina trying to give PM Cameron a letter.
Which, diplomatically speaking of course, he told her where to put it.
Perhaps she could have an exchange of letters with the FIG, at least it in Argentina it would look like she was getting somewhere.
Let’s face it the likes of Malv would believe anything is a great leap forward.
So I guess thats it then... status quo rules...OK
Just like your imaginary leader, you to live in cuckoo land,
She was in fact, humiliated,
But of course you wont see it they way,
To you, she used the mop and that’s it, [isn’t it] lol.
.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9342973/Respect-the-Falklanders-David-Cameron-tells-Cristina-Kirchner-in-row.html
That bit of paper she is showing him is a list of migratory bird species.....
@90 wipe the floor with him she couldn't wipe her own arse..............oh that's right she's got you for that!!!!
Standby theasaurus people BK tissue man will respond
One great difference, cameron earned his position by being elected, next election he can be voted out. CFK like her fellow Peronist c@#t Evita earned her position on her back. The whore should have learned her place when Nestor died.
“I love listening to all the brave Argentine warriors on this site, I'm sure the soldiers at Mount Pleasant are shaking in their boots”
Nope I guess they are thinking about what the hell are they doing there risking their life to defend some ship over a rock and how bad they are paid for the risky job.
@BritishLion & Britishbulldog
What you gonna do “Bro” ?
You want to get down “Bro”?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm1TdXpDGbE
@Frank
Ha ha you forgot to mention that the Postman CaMoron went with one letter he couldn’t deliver but got 40 from UN.
Why he ran away angry? Like impotent and Powerless?
I told you guys that CaMoron is a stupid guy and he is going to have his war and lose.
Oh and insult the brist,
Why
Because they cant have what they have never owned
Envy and jealousy,
Time and time again.
Losers first
Losers last
If Argentina has all the support of the world why don't you just walk in and take the Islands back again? If you succeed and you hold them, then they are yours. But if you are once again evicted by an inferior military force, show some dignity and some balls and accept it. Oh, and this time make sure you issue your warriors dog tags.
Poor choice of words “once again evicted by an inferior military force” is clearly wrong because we kicked the bastards off the islands.
I think the phrase you may have been looking for was 'evicted by an out-numbered, superior, military force'. :o)
???very odd people ??
Yes, bad choice, I used inferior to denote numbers only, now that I read it back I can see my mistake,
sorry!!!
does part of it look like a hound / dog,
or am i dreaming
Because Machiavello I says that you have to build concensus and become the victim before strike.
For example saying that UK is deploying Nuclear weapons is a good one, saying that UK is militarising the SA is another good one.
After you have built the consensus that you have not other option that defend your self from such evil power.
You have the opportunity to strike the evil power and if you won who is going to blame you?
Come on Dr. Zhivago I thought you were mot astute than that.
What you gonna do “Bro” ?
You want to get down “Bro”?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm1TdXpDGbE
Danny Fanny you do make me laugh, fair play, you have a sense of humour even if you are a complete idiot.
The trouble here is that all the 'cyber warriors' know nothing about real combat and real pain and real death and real grieving, they play on their computers fireing words and playing COD. Do not 'wish' too much, as you just might get what you wish for, a bayonet in your throat tends to bring reality crashing down with a massive thump. The boys and girls from the British contingent protecting the Falkland Islands are there as volunteers, they are also expierienced combatants and know how to deal with a bunch of fanatical flag wavers who are brainwashed with lies.
Ah that explains it, senility has snuck in.
Moribund the Burgermeister! A precedent has been set, if you believe there are weapons of mass-destruction there then by all means, go in and get them!
Takes time Dr.Z think about Iraq.
You have to build the coalition “liberty & Freedom” to liberate oppressed Islanders from UK and that takes time.
But sure will be before 2020 so still no carrier.
By the way Dr. Z are you going to be in the front line in FI repealing Arg. forces with the same impetus you have here on this forum or am I assuming wrong?
I assume you meant “repelling”. Surely you realize the blitzkrieg option is no longer available, your forces will barely make it out of port. I hope you realize this time that exclusion zones are merely a suggestion, poke your nose out and it will be dealt with!
You are going to build a coalition are you? Of whom, exactly? Lets see, your friends currently stand at:
1. Angola - pathetic
2. Syria - middle of a civil war
3. Iran - any move towards the America's and the USA when whack them.
4. Ecaduor - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
5. Venezula - I repeat HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
6. China - won't get involved (too many trade deals with the UK)
7. Russia - won't get involved (wouldn't want to make a fool of itself)
8. Chile - won't get involved (why should the die for Argentina?)
9. Brazil - won't get involved (as above)
so that leaves Argentina with who precisely?
Besides, the UK can always invoke article 5 of the NATO charter, and then you'd be facing the whole of NATO, wouldn't you? Not that we need it as your military is so underfunded that it couldn't invade a girl guide camp, let alone take on the British.
Dany, feel free to invade, I guarantee that you'll be all alone, and I don't mean Argentina, I mean you personally.
DanyBerger = pathetic wanna be, who thinks war is just like his video games.
Anyway back to businesses, I don't know how many times I have to say it but we British will not be the ones starting any little war down in the South Atlantic, we did not start one in 1982 when my predecessor Mrs Thatcher had to send down quite a number of military personal to fight and get the Falklands back from what we saw and still see as a bunch of thieves and Del boys.
Now I have to give fair warning while we will not be the ones who will start any trouble down there I have to say that we have a contingency plan that will come into force if Argentina chances its arm at invading once again.
We will invoke article 5 of the NATO charter and we will once more send down military personal to once more try and teach Argentina basic manners. However I also know that this will not happen as Argentina for all its faults just does not have the capability to even launch a fishing boat as most likely they will be out on strike when Argentina asks them to put to sea.
Now back the the first paragraph at the top of the comment that I have made. Mr Burger I do wish you would change your name to a more sensible name, the name DanyBurger seems to me something like a burger chain name such a silly name so do take this opportunity to change it to a far more sensible name.
Dave.
Profile: Full of contradiction mate
Overview
“He describes himself as a “modern compassionate conservative” ???
Cuack! How is that?
Conservatives are the more bunch of all fashion and retrograded people in the world after necons of course.
Economy
““KaMoron says is essential to reduce taxes on employment and wealth creation in order to enhance our economy's competitiveness”??? Do you see any enhancement in UKStunt?
Environment
”passionate about our environment.“ Destroying everything in Libya contributes to the environment?
Crime
“He has also proposed a big prison-building program and introducing mandatory custodial sentences for all convicted of carrying a knife. His proposal to abolish the 1998 Human Rights Act would enable some of his measures.” Very modern passionate conservative ha! Repeating the same thing since the stone age.
Gay Rights & Immigration
“During the Labour government's repeal of the Section 28 legislation in 2000, ”
Also homophobic eh!
May be a little bit “racist too” ?
Alcohol and other Drugs
“Cameron has been accused of drug-taking as a youth”
A ha eh! also hypocrite you like to get high but send other to prision.
Iraq other wars on terror: This is really nice
“he voted in favour of the Iraq War, confirming this stance during an interview on the British TV show Friday Night with Jonathan Ross. In defence of the Iraq situation, he stated, ”You've got to do what you think is right even if it's unpopular”
So mister DopeKaMoron you are a joke, did I tell you that before?
You are free to invoke any NATO article, anyway who is going to get his @ss burned to partner with you?
Don’t worry about my name I’m ready to change it to Mr. MohammedBurgerKing® to set-up a take away in Britain to enjoy your successful wealthy creation campaign.
Any advise on it?
“You are free to invoke any NATO article, anyway who is going to get his @ss burned to partner with you?”
NATO is not Mercosur, it is an actual organization that does stand by its' members. An attack on one is an attack on all of them. It is something you wouldn't understand.
Don't underestimate the Old Boys. In 82 the British were always winning, except according to Argentine news reports, North America will come to the aid of its' former master and South America will desert you just as before. It wouldn't be like Afghanistan where it would take more like a decade of commitment, more like a couple of days.
I thought it may take 6 or 7 days myself, but you could be right! :o)
Kinda hard ans you can't even win on some Afghan cavemen.
If its so easy then do it, but for God's sake, stop whining about it!
I meant for you to invade the Falklands again if it was so easy, don't play innocent and stupid. Your laments are falling on deaf ears.
“It is something you wouldn't understand.”
The only one that seems to don’t understand is you mate.
NATO only applies in the NA since FI are in SA I guess you will not be lucky.
And if just for change you will find any legal hole to exploit in NATO who you do think will support you in the campaign against Argentina?
Errr NONE like in 1982. Even Uncle Sam says “just a bilateral issue Arg-UK” do you get the message?
But UNASUR applies in SA.
You're only fooling yourself.
We can handle you all by our little selves.
Why do you think Nato only applies in North America? Do you know what an atlas is? I suggest you have a look at one. UNASUR?? Don't make me laugh!!
Now back to business in hand, you seem to be a little bit deluded with the assumption that no one will help my country if I invoke article 5 of the NATO charter I think you will find that they will have very little option but to come and help us if we need them. Whereas what country is going to come to your country's aid when push comes to shove perhaps the same ones who came rushing to help you back in 1982 maybe they will be lining up to help you, maybe Brazil? No I don't think so, I have seen to it that Brazil will be losing quite a bit of trade if it comes out on your country's side, maybe Chile then? No I don't think so they actually hate your country, maybe Uruguay? No yet again why should Uruguay one of the most economically developed countries in South America come to the aid of a country that has shown that it could not run a party up in a brewery?
No you do not have many friends in the World that would come to your aid, what about the Chinese they would come to your aid wouldn't they? Well no actually they wouldn't, why spoil a good thing they are making pots of money out of the rest of the worlds so why should they suddenly go and spoil a good thing?
Ah well Mr Berger it seems your on your own does it not???? It must be so terrible for you when you do not have many friends that you can call up on to help you. We Brits on the other hand even though everyone says they don't like us can just pick up a phone dial a few numbers and people just drop what they are doing and come to our aid. My God we must have done something good all those years ago.
Why don’t you stop to post about things that you have no idea about?
NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organisation)
NA (North Atlantic)
SA (south Atlantic)
Only time called for article V 2001 by USA.
In 2003 a fragmentation in the alliance front cause a crisis when France and Belgium and Germany vetoed procedures in Turkey case.
FI bilateral issue ARG/UK does not involves NATO members and as is not part or NATO.
But UNASUR as I said before applies.
@Dove KaMoron
They only one a little bit deluded will be you with your assumption, Can you tell me what country is going to support you in a war against Argentina?
Come on name them so we can have a big laugh.
Argies don’t need any help to burn to @ss just UNASUR’s countries by don’t allowing your RN to call on their ports will be just enough.
Oh! KaMoron that is already happening, have you noted that?
By the way have you have anyone willing to lend a carrier to you yet?
“We Brits on the other hand even though everyone says they don't like us can just pick up a phone dial a few numbers and people just drop what they are doing and come to our aid”
This is really good mate, start to make your call right now before BT cuts your lines for unpaid due bills.
Ha ha still waiting for you advise for my TA in UKStunt to get rich.
Carefully read Article 4 of the Washington Treaty or better yet, have someone read it to you. Nato was set up to protect us against the Russians and I assume that we would have had to fight them in the Pacific also. Afghanistan, as far as I know does not have an Atlantic port. In other words if you attack UK, ie The Falklands, Nato, if asked will come to the rescue. I live in a NATO country and I saw the coffins coming back from Afghanistan. We stand by our members. UNASUR is a sewing club.
p.s. Aircraft carriers are not needed to defeat your navy or air force. We shoot geese here in the fall with shotguns from a canoe. A goose knows more about flying than your air force does!
HMS Alacrity - slightly damaged by bomb near misses
HMS Arrow - slightly damaged by cannon fire
HMS Glamorgan - slightly damaged by bomb near misses, all off Stanley by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6.
HMS SHEFFIELD - mortally damaged south east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and sank in tow on Monday 10th May.
HMS Glasgow - moderately damaged off Stanley by unexploded bomb (1) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Bomb passed through hull but damage took some days to repair and she shortly returned to UK.
HMS Antrim - seriously damaged in Falkland Sound outside San Carlos Water by unexploded bomb (2) dropped by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6. UXB removed but damage took some days to repair.
HMS Broadsword - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6.
HMS Argonaut - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by rockets and cannon fire from Aermacchi MB.339A of CANA 1 Esc, and then seriously damaged by two unexploded bombs (3/4) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Removing the UXB's and carrying out repairs took a number of days and although declared operational, she soon sailed for the UK.
HMS Brilliant - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6. (Different attack from “Broadsword”)
HMS ARDENT - badly damaged in Grantham Sound by bombs - hits, UXB's (5+) and near misses - dropped by Daggers of Grupo 6, then mortally damaged by bombs from A-4Q Skyhawks of CANA 3 Esc off North West Island. Sank the following evening.
HMS ANTELOPE - damaged in San Carlos Water by two unexploded bombs (6/7) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of Grupo 5. One of the bombs exploded that evening while being defused and she caught fire and sank next day.
RFA Sir Galahad - damaged by unexploded bomb (8) and out of action for some days,
RFA Sir Lancelot - damaged by unexploded bomb (9) and not fully operational for
However, the planes which flew in the war are still in service today. Time expired airframes that were never maintained in accordance to the manufactureres requirements have killed more Argentinian pilots than anything else - a national disgrace for Argentina.
The airforce today (mainly A4s) presents no serious threat to the likes of the Typhoons and most certainly not to a Type 45 which is more than capable of downing them the instant they cross the coast, having tracked them from takeoff.
The old Type 38 cruise missiles that are left have NEVER been test fired since 1982. Given the need to replace components because of age degradation it is highly likely that many of them could NOT operate now and anyway the Type 45 can easily down them well before any threat can be carried out.
It must be concluded that Argentina cannot muster any creditable air strike capability at present and requires a major upgrade and corresponding training of aircrews for it to do so. A huge cost for any country.
How is that possible with the country in such a chaotic state of affairs and effectively bankrupt?
Then what is the problem? Reclaim your islands!!
What would be the scrap value of their old Skyhawks etc?
l believe that there's titanium in the engines.
ha.
“I live in a NATO country and I saw the coffins coming back from Afghanistan”
Wow you live in a NATO country and?
NATO does not applies for the ARG/BRIT territory dispute but in case UK send a bullet toward ARG main land UNASUR yes come to action.
But I see you where asking the same question over every forum. Ha ha
forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=172471&start=500
You just have to think how will look the ceremony because the Hong Kong one was to boring.
BTW can you make sure your Scot Guards use underwear please?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWkE-8mK8g0
NATO is committed to the peaceful resolution to all disputes. If diplomatic efforts fail it has the military capability to undertake undertake crises management operations . These are undertaken by article 5 of the Washington treaty, or under a UN mandate, alone or in cooperation with other country's and international organizations.
So you see Mr Burger all I have to do is pick up the phone to my friends and ask for a tiny bit of help and they would come a running.
And do try to change that name its like writing to the chairperson of a burger chain, most of putting I must say.
There are two recognised routes to deal with planes that are no longer needed / obsolete / time expired airframes, etc.
One, used extensively by middle ranking airlines (and major ones at time of supply shortages) is to buy parts from major plane breakers WHERE THE PROVENENCE IS NOT DISPUTED.
Engines are regularly swapped just weeks before the decision to 'scrap' the plane is made. They still have all the relevant documentation to prove how many hours they have left and the amount of servicing they have had since new. Parts such as these are very valuable and would be safe to use in general aviation. Don't overlook that 99.9% of these planes have been flown in the the 'park' and are in very good working order when they arrive.
For instance, I would rather fly in a plane with these type of engines than in Areolinas Argentina aircraft where frankly, given the propensity for lying that the Argentinians have, I would not trust the service records OR the competency of servicing.
The second route is frankly the break, smash and scrap brigade. Yes, jet engines, especially fighter plane engines will have lots of exotic metals within the core. Generally, because of time expired records showing 'Nil time' they are of melt down value only. This is still a lot of money though. Current Europe sourced price for Titanium Grades 1 - 4 (scrap) is US$ 8,650 ex port facility per metric tonne.
If I were to be hard on them, and why not, the Argie airplane roster is probably worth more as scrap than if they managed to sell them. But who would be stupid enough to risk buying them?
Hope this helps.
Let me get this straight. Unasur would recognize an attack to wards the ARG mainland and come to your aid but obviously they don't share your view that the British on the Falklands are an occupation force or wouldn't they be doing everything in their power to help you recover them, just a thought.
By the way you are a twit, the link to that other forum was not a post by me, I'm sure there are many who are not as blind as you I pointed out that I come from a NATO country only to stress that I knew what it was about to belong to a legitimate pact that stood for something.
Feeling a bit stupid?, you sure are looking that way!!
Make your call and wait to see what happen, yeah!
Ring, ring...ring...
White house who’s speaking?
This is David
Who?
David Cameron
David Cameron from?
UK I’m the PM
Ah! is not Gordo anymore there?
No may I speak with Obama please.
He is not available at the moment can I take you message?
Yes, tell him that I would like to call Article V against Argentina.
Are you crazy or what?
You don’t read the news, just a bilateral matter Arg./UK you are alone.
Call Angela and see if you are lucky with her. Chank!
Ring, ring, ring...
Deutscher Bundestag.
This is David Cameron...
Ich kann Sie schlecht verstehen
Chanck!
Hello anybody there?????? Hello...
@Zhivago
“I pointed out that I come from a NATO country only to stress that I knew what it was about to belong to a legitimate pact that stood for something”
Ich bin Deutscher do you tell something to you?
NATO countryman?
No yet?
help here
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJOoTng0G_0
Does Germany even have a military? Last time I was there I only visited American and Canadian bases. You are still world pariahs and will do what you are told! Maybe you could launch some behind-the -lines attack from La Cumbrecita or set up a listening post on Garibaldi Street. Germany was an original “bitch” member of NATO, vanquished foe, keep you friends close and your enemies even closer.
Shalom....
In English and that makes sense would you try please?
“In English and that makes sense would you try please?”
Down's Syndrome? I'm sorry, I didn't know!
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