Wednesday, June 20th 2012 - 10:54 UTC

Falkland Islanders fight for their sovereignty

(By COHA*) - Taking advantage of the 30th anniversary of the Falkland Islands War (April 2/June 14), Argentine President Cristina Fernández and her administration have become increasingly confrontational toward the United Kingdom regarding the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands.

Young Falkland Islanders with a banner displayed before the UN building in New York (Photo: BBC)

In recent attempts to express the seriousness of the Argentinean demands, the Cristina Fernández administration has instituted a number of punitive measures against the United Kingdom and the Stanley government. Cristina Fernández formally filed a lawsuit on June 4 against British petroleum companies pursuing “illegal” offshore oil exploration in the South Atlantic, as well as closing Argentine ports to British ships and denouncing the United Kingdom’s deployment of its military personnel, including Prince William, to the Islands last February.

By boldly asserting a territorial claim to the Islands, Cristina Fernández has succeeded in unifying an otherwise divided Argentine citizenry and ignited another fierce debate between the Argentine and British governments. Each government has been attempting to gather tactical support from receptive regional and international actors. For both, the dispute remains a passionate and contentious issue characterized by malicious motivations and defensive actions. If neither side is willing to collaborate, the potential of this dispute quickly escalating to reciprocal militant destruction, such as the Falklands War, is foreseeable.

This year at their annual meeting in Cochabamba, Bolivia, Latin American members of the Organization of American States (OAS) expressed strong unified support for Argentina’s sovereign claim over the Falkland Islands. In recent reports, Canada has supported the United Kingdom, while the United States remains officially neutral. Members of the international community continually have implored the sparring governments to establish a multilateral committee, involving Argentine, British, and Falkland governmental representatives, to achieve a more peaceful, diplomatic solution through ongoing constructive dialogue.

The Falkland Islands, a small archipelago 500 miles east of Argentina’s southern tip and home to about 3,000 inhabitants, has been the subject of an episodic dispute for 200 years. The dispute over rightful sovereignty quickly escalated to war in 1982 when the then-ruling Argentine military junta attempted to seize control of the islands. The conflict ended quickly following the arrival of the British military two months later, resulting in the collapse of the military junta as Argentine forces were ordered to completely withdraw from the islands.

To complicate the matter of sovereignty further, in 1994, in order to assert that the “Islas Malvinas solely and rightfully belong to Argentina” the government passed a constitutional amendment establishing its sovereign rights, in spite of the 1982 military defeat and the wishes expressed by the islands’ inhabitants. Tensions between these nations have quickly intensified following the discovery of offshore hydrocarbons in 1998.

In 2009, 27 years after a failed takeover by the Argentine military junta, the islands’ inhabitants established their first constitution, declaring themselves a “non-self-governing Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom.” However, due to the Islands’ small population, the country must seek assistance on foreign policy decisions and military protection from the United Kingdom. Furthermore, in accordance with the British Nationality Acts of 1983, the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands also possess full British citizenship, including health and pension benefits.

Cristina Fernández recently attended a UN decolonization meeting to urge the United Kingdom to enter into constructive negotiations over the Falkland Islands. She insists that the Argentines wish only to collaborate on this matter and are “not asking anyone to say, ‘Yes, the Malvinas [belong to] Argentina”. British Prime Minister David Cameron responded to Fernández, “When it comes to the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands, there will be absolutely no negotiations.”

International media coverage has vaguely depicted Argentina’s efforts as well as the Falkland people’s perspective regarding their sovereignty. Instead, the majority of news coverage lamentably focuses primarily on Argentina’s persistent opposition and Britain’s continual hostilities.

As many Islanders point out, the Argentine government has routinely denied their right to self-determination and persistently obstructs their right to be a sovereign, decolonized nation. Moreover, the recent economic and maritime blockades, lawsuits, and protests emanating from Buenos Aires have only reinforced the feelings of distrust and animosity eliciting deep-rooted contention between the Falkland Islanders and the Argentine government.

In this spirit, the Falkland Islands’ government has announced its plans to hold a referendum next year to determine its political future. Specifically, they are seeking to determine whether or not they wish to remain British citizens and maintain their status as a “non-self-governing territory of the United Kingdom.” The people of the Falklands believe this referendum will dispel any and all doubts concerning their determination, as a people, in regard to the pivotal issue of sovereignty, aimed at negating any claims on the contrary by the Argentine government.

In a recent interview at the Council on Hemispheric Affairs, Roger Edwards, an elected Legislative Assembly member, made an emotional appeal to the universal sentiment of self-determination, emphasizing that “by disregarding our right to self-determination and entrusting our sovereignty to Argentina over the United Kingdom would be a deliberate act against the wishes of the Falkland people and, therefore, sentencing them to subjugation, domination and exploitation by the Argentine government.”

  *- This analysis was prepared by Taylor Stout, with contributions from Aisha Espey and Sarah Slater,Research Associates at the Council on Hemispheric Affairs

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1 PirateLove (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:12 am Report abuse
“Each government has been attempting to gather tactical support from receptive regional and international actors. For both, the dispute remains a passionate and contentious issue characterized by malicious motivations and defensive actions.”
and you say “EACH” government, I can think of actors and musicians employed by The argentine government along with malicious motivations and constant Rhetoric and unless im missing something you will have to enlighten me on how the British government has been likened to these tactics??
2 Room101 (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:19 am Report abuse
True. Good question.
3 DanyBerger (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:19 am Report abuse
Easy to resolve I guess CaMoron just has to sit and talk.
Or is too much for him?

Well after all he forgot his daughter in a pub and just discovered the missing of the child when he got home.

Anyone with full mental capability in UK to talk with?
4 Islander1 (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:37 am Report abuse
Mercopress- we do not have Health and Pension benefits from the British Govt! I go there on holday I take out medical travel insurance same as anywhere else, and the only pension I will get is the Falklands State one I pay into and a top-up private one if I pay into it.
DanyB - message is - Arg wants to talk - then talk to the people that matter - the Islanders.
Or shut up.
5 LEPRecon (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:40 am Report abuse
@3 - Dany

As usual you miss the point. The UK is, with the Falkland Islanders consent, willing to talk about fishing rights, oil exploration etc...

However, this is no dispute over sovereignty. The Falkland Islands belong to the people of the Falklands. End of story.

Perhaps if CFK actually did what she was elected to do, that is run Argentina, you wouldn't be in the dire financial straits that you are now.

The state of Argentina's economy is critical, any talks about the Falkland Islands could've been put on the back burner labelled “can be dealt with later”.

Why is CFK making such a fuss, Dany? Well it's obvious, and becoming more obvious to the Argentine people, that she is using the Falklands as a smoke screen, hoping people won't realise just how badly she has fecked up your economy.

No matter how you try to deny it, Dany, time will prove me right.
6 THOR94 (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:44 am Report abuse
@3 DanyBerger (#) The Islanders are the only ones who can discuss it. , or give permission to the UK to do so. But then CFK denied their offer. Argentina loses out i guess.....
7 brit abroad (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:52 am Report abuse
Why Are you guys posting? This is just a summary of whats being going on, and what you have already commented on in various other forums. There is no news here! It is a rehash of events and not a very good one as it has no depth!
8 Boovis (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:53 am Report abuse
CFK: I demand we talk about the islands.
FIG: ok, let's talk.
CFK: no.
UK: the FIG says talk.
CFK: has aneurysm.

Be careful what you wish for. Now we're ready to talk and she says no, so now what?
9 War Monkey (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
@3 DanyBerger (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:19 am

Okay Danny. Let's pretend. Let us say that the FIG have given the UKG leave to negotiate.

We are now in the conference room.

You are the Argentine negotiator and I am the UK negotiator.

You go first. What shall we talk about?
10 briton (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:13 pm Report abuse
Argentine President Cristina Fernández and her administration have become increasingly confrontational toward the United Kingdom

Enough said,

The time will come
And no crying from the CFK bloggers please
[ mugs ]

.
11 mollymauk (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
@9 Nice one WM :) Can't wait for Dany's answer !!!!
12 Britninja (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
@9 Might as well, its the closest they'll ever get to the real thing :)
13 War Monkey (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
@11 mollymauk (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:21 pm

Thanks but I doubt it will make any difference. I agree with Brit Abroad in post 7, all it is is a 'story so far' but hey. I was about so I though why not?
14 Idlehands (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:55 pm Report abuse
A couple of points to make about this article

1) The Falklands are a “Self Governing British Overseas Territory” not a “Non-Self Governing Overseas Territory”

2) “focuses primarily on Argentina’s persistent opposition and Britain’s continual hostilities” - is the wrong way round. The hostilities come from Argentina and the opposition comes from Britain.
15 War Monkey (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
@14 Idlehands (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:55 pm

Good points, well made.
16 Conor (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:04 pm Report abuse
@15
Agreed but to the Malvinas funny people whatever this article says the content will be agreed with, as long as it matches there indoctrinated rubbish.
17 Idlehands (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
Apparently it is labelled a “non-self governing British territory” because that is what the list is called at the UN that the C24 refuses to change.
18 War Monkey (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
@16 Conor (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:04 pm

In Malvinese the words 'give peace a chance' translate as 'give us what we want or we will use violence against you. Again'.
19 Joe Bloggs (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
18 War Monkey

You left out the last sentence which reads:
And we'll make sure that it looks like the UK is the aggressor even though it will be us stirring up all of the shit.
20 Conor (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:43 pm Report abuse
Very true Mr War Monkey! Im still waiting for Mr Malvinero1 to show up with his usual comments.....tell you what I'll do it for him, UK style.
Ahhhhhhhhhhh Argentine is finished!!!!!
Broke, deluded colonially implanted population!!!!!!
Hyper inflation kicking in!!!!!!
Get out of Argentine while you still can!!!!! ja ja ja ja
21 Joe Bloggs (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
20 Conor

I think maybe you ARE Malvinero1. That was word perfect.
22 aussie sunshine (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:45 pm Report abuse
The Islanders are loosing the diplomatic battle against a much stronger and aggressive Argentina. No wonder these lot are making so much noise outside the UN headquarters.
23 Conor (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
@21
Thanks Mr Bloggs! But I can ensure you that Im not the infamous Mr Malvinero1!
24 WestisBest (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:51 pm Report abuse
@22

Losing the diplomatic battle Aussie?
Is that interpretation based on anything other than wishful thinking?
25 War Monkey (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
@24 WestisBest (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:51 pm

No. He is thinking in Malvinese. Remember in his world black is white, right is wrong, left is right and the Falkland Islands belong to Argentina.
26 Conor (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:58 pm Report abuse
@24/25
I wonder when its going to hit these Malvinas people that they're never going to get the Islands? There's nothing they can do Politically, Socially, Economically or Militarily that will change the Status Quo. All these attempts have tried in the past and they have failed and only fuelled the arguments against them.
27 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
“Young Falkland Islanders with a banner” says the picture above.
Woww..what a large group! Not to mention that at least one of them is an Englishman politician in Malvinas...and not that young.

“Andrew Pollard‏@FalklandsAndyP
”Tea and cake with Prince William earlier, explained to him that i am on crutches because i fell in a penguin burrow. local knowledge aye!“
28 aussie sunshine (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
@24 read my man!! read!! and learn something of the real world and not only from the British government.
www phoenixthinktank.org/2012/04/the-thirty-years-on-threat-to-the-falkland-islands.
29 Islas Malvinas (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:27 pm Report abuse
This article is full of lies! OMG!

“If neither side is willing to collaborate”: Who`s not willing to talk and nogotiate? The UK!

“Militant destruction, such as the Falklands War, is foreseeable”: What?!?

“Members of the international community continually have implored the sparring governments to establish a multilateral committee, involving Argentine, British, and Falkland governmental representatives”: Ha ha ha.... what!? The UN is asking for BILATERAL negotiations betwen the TWO PARTIES.

“The islands’ inhabitants established their first constitution, declaring themselves a “non-self-governing Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom”: Guess what? As per the UN you are a NON SELF GOVERNING TERRITORY. And a COLONY.

”Due to the Islands’ small population, the country must seek assistance on foreign policy decisions and military protection from the United Kingdom“: Ha ha ha ha! OMG! The UK doesn`t give a dime for the islanders... it`s the strategic value of the islands what its all about.

”As many Islanders point out, the Argentine government has routinely denied their right to self-determination”: Argentina is respecting the UN resolution. Not a single one of them grants such a right to the islanders.

The UK only keeps ignoring the resolutions from a democratic body like the UN General Assembly, and it does ignore it taking advantage of the non democratic Security Council, in which its a permanent memeber.
30 yankeeboy (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:28 pm Report abuse
28. You are assuming the CFK administration will last another 12 months. I think you it is a very bad assumption.

Her gov't will collapse along with the economy.
31 Britninja (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:29 pm Report abuse
“The UK only keeps ignoring the resolutions from a democratic body like the UN General Assembly, and it does ignore it taking advantage of the non democratic Security Council, in which its a permanent memeber.”

And there's nothing you can do about it. Boo-hoo :*(
32 Islas Malvinas (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:36 pm Report abuse
@31 Certainly not much.

Cameron told CFK to respect the referendum to be held in a few years, basing his demands on the respect of democracy... the UK not behaving that decratically in the international arena makes his pretention and the referendum meaningless.

Cameron is only an idiot ridiculizing himself and the UK in the international community.
33 Idlehands (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
“Argentina is respecting the UN resolution. Not a single one of them grants such a right to the islanders”

They don't need to - the founding CHARTER of the United Nations grants them that right.
34 Conor (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
@32 It actually being held next year not in a few. You insult us for not behaving in the international community Mr Malvinas, and yet your leaders have been very hypocritical in the way they speak about the UK especially regarding colonialism.
35 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
34 Conor The British people can only have a referendum when the government are guaranteed the result they want.
36 Islas Malvinas (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:53 pm Report abuse
@34 I beg you pardon? I don`t remember having insulted anyone. (Well I called Cameron idiot, but that`s it).

How can anyone talk about the UK without mentioning colonialism?
The UK´s denial of its colonialis behaviour accusing other countries of such a out of date behaviour... that is hypocritical!
37 Conor (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:55 pm Report abuse
@36
So what if it is?!! Your country was created my it!!!!!! Mr Malvinas you are in no position to complain when you are living, breathing, working etc. on lands that were taken by your Spanish forefathers.
38 Britninja (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:55 pm Report abuse
Argentina's denial of its colonialis behaviour accusing other countries of such a out of date behaviour... that is hypocritical!
39 Islas Malvinas (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:59 pm Report abuse
@37 Argentina certainly is in a position to complain, as you´ve heard its been doing since 1833... And that is because Argentina is a modern nation state recognized by the UK as such. Behaviour of states is ruled by the internationl law.

The difference with the unfortunate first nations is that they were considered non civilized barbarians who had no rights granted.

@38 Reflecting won`t help you much.
40 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:03 pm Report abuse
Is Argentina invading or attacking another country every few months like Britain?
Pleeeease read not just your own history books but your daily newspapers, historians can't keep up with your governments invasions and killings.
41 Conor (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
@35
Well obviously everyone does that! Its called politics! If argentine was in our position as regards the Islands, they to would bring forward a referendum to support their case, i’ll say it again its called politics.

@36 That doesn't make any sense! The simple fact of the mater is when the UK took the islands they were uninhabited, whilst mainland Latam was!!! If we stick to your principles then all property in Argentine must be relinquished to the Native South Americans, who have mostly been wiped out or subsumed into you and your fellow countrymen who are mostly European in origin!!!! You cant claim the islands while your in this rather hypocritical situation Mr Malvinas.
42 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:06 pm Report abuse
41 Conor Can we vote?
43 Conor (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
@40
Every few months?
Afghanistan 2001
Iraq 2003
Libya 2011
I fail to see your point Mr Marcos after all you argentines are still occupying lands every day that you ‘invaded’ around 300 years ago. Thats if we go by your twisted logic.

@41
No its not your land or your right.
44 Islas Malvinas (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
@41 Wrong.

And remember... We`ll be back.
45 Conor (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
@44
I think you will find that Im right you are an implanted european colonial, and you wont be back because there is nothing you can do to change the status quo regarding the Islands.
46 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:16 pm Report abuse
43 Conor
Occupying my own land?
Many of our ancestors were here way before any European knew about the existence of the Americas.

About that special election, the main participant of the scheme is the British government in London.
47 Conor (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:22 pm Report abuse
@43
Yet again another commentator fails to read my comment and realise that I wasn't being serious, as I said in another thread I hold no regrets for what the empires did as the modern world wouldn't exist. Colonialism created modern day Argentine its language, culture, its people and its claim to islands it has never owned. It doesn't matter wether you have ancestors who go back way before the first europeans arrived because if you take the europeans out of the equation Argentine and you yourself Mr Marcos would not be here today please try to understand that.
48 THOR94 (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
@46 Marcos Alejandro Well, then the rest of the 40 million, who are not descendants should leave. And you should do more for the starving and dying indigenous populance, that truly own the land, instead of worrying about islands that were unpopulated when fist colonised....
49 Conor (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:26 pm Report abuse
@ Mr Marcos
You see Mr Thor understands my point why can't you?
50 Islas Malvinas (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:37 pm Report abuse
@49 Because your point is inconsistent.
51 War Monkey (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
@44 Islas Malvinas (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:07 pm

I expect we'll be waiting for you when you come.
52 Conor (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:40 pm Report abuse
@50
Mr Malvinas I think you will find it isn't as you have yet to challenge me on my accurate assessment of Argentine's situation as a country created entirely by Colonialism.
53 THOR94 (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
@50 Islas Malvinas (#) If we're talking of inconsistencies, then we should really talk about Argentina's claim to the Falklands.....
54 Conor (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:46 pm Report abuse
@51
We will be waiting a while I assure you sir.
@53
You totally right!
55 Beef (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 04:38 pm Report abuse
Islas “we'll be back”. Unfortunately i doubt it as you surrender monkeys are all talk and no trousers. If you are so certain then get on with it. We British are a martial race and like a good scrap.

Don't envy your chances though as you havr been in terminal decline since. 1982. Would love to see you try though.
56 Conor (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 04:56 pm Report abuse
@55
As I said to them earlier they won't be, they cant even come back when they lose an argument.
57 Britninja (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 05:23 pm Report abuse
They're like mental patients, stuck in their own little fantasy world and burbling rubbish. Poor, corrupt, dishonest, incompetent Argentina can't afford the boardgame, Battleship, let alone an actual battleship. All they can do is yap. :)
58 KretinaK (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 05:33 pm Report abuse
This is how Cristina Kirchner got in power, and how she stays in power. In Argentina it is OBLIGATORY for all citizens to vote, she speaks of democracy and the only thing she knows about it total corruption!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
59 PirateLove (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
@44 how fascinating, please carry on and explain
“And remember... We`ll be back.” , im intrigued why you are under the illusion that your country has an army of schwarzeneggers ready for invasion.
60 Conqueror (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
@3 Too many for you to cope with!
@22 Even a (real) aussie would know how to spell “losing”, wouldn't it?
@27 Just shows how illegal argie actions are limiting Falklanders legitimate rights to travel.
@28 Did you know that your ability to paste links is at the usual argie level? I.e. crap.
@29 Congratulations!!! You got SIX lies in there all by yourself!
@32 “to be held in a few years”. No, next year. “decratically” Not an English word. “ridiculizing” Not an English word. Now who looks ridiculous?
@35 How do you feel about the Falkland Islands Government? Since they are going to be holding the referendum.
@36 Poor comprehension. Poor education.
@39 Conor was wrong. He should have said that you are in no position to legitimately complain. And you aren't. And I wouldn't call argieland “modern”. You seem to be stuck in the 19th century.
@40 Don't remember invading anyone. As for attacking... You are attacking the Falklands. What's your point?
@42 NO!!! You're not a Falkland Islander. You're a HOSTILE ENEMY ALIEN!!!
@44 Really? How many years is it going to take to get your courage up? Do you remember that, the last time, you had to send 66,000 troops to overcome less than 80 Royal Marines. Do you realise that, now there are 1500 British troops, you are going to need 1,237,500 of yours just to lose?
@46 “Many”? You mean 20% of those that were there before your European ancestors arrived and slaughtered the other 80%. Not British Europeans, you remember. Spanish and Italian Europeans.
@50 But then YOU'RE inconsistent. And bigoted. And racist. And medieval. And belligerent. And hostile. And genocidal. And psychotic. And juvenile. What's your point?
61 WestisBest (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 06:52 pm Report abuse
@28

....and when we decide to exercise our right to self determination and are recognised as a state by the UN? (which if that's what's neccessary to help the rest of the world understand our rights we will do)

what price your sabre rattling and phoenix shit tank's conclusions then?
62 ChrisR (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 06:53 pm Report abuse
9 War Monkey

I hope you are not expecting a real anser to your question from Dunni-Burger.

He has not worked out yet that Cameron and his wife were in seperate cars, going back to the residence: each one thinking the other had the child.

In the meantime the 8 yo child was being kept an eye on bt the publican (they know the child quite well).

I would imagine the security deatail would have a hell of a bollocking over this as they insisted on the two cars.

Had been Argentina, no doubt the child would have been sold by now.
63 Conqueror (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
@61 Recognition by the UN is not necessary for independence.
64 Pete Bog (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
Well done young Islanders. This is only the start of the bullied Falkland Islanders long awaited political fightback agianst the wannabe Argentine colonialists. As they keep challenging the distorted history and fiction about them spewed out by Argentina, the tide will turn. FREEDOM FOR THE FALKLANDS!
65 David Cameron (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
3 DanyBerger.

Mr Burger I would like to point out to you that my daughter was perfectly safe at all times. I would not know how Argentina deals with President Cristina Fernandez days out when she has time with her family but as I am the Prime Minister of the UK, we use a variety of vehicles to transport myself and my family to any family event. As Prime Minister, I have to use our protection service at all times and it’s the same for my wife and any of my family.

As Prime Minister, my work is actually 24/24 and as such, I had a variety people that work with me that went with my family to lunch. When we came out from lunch, I thought wrongly that Samantha had our little Nancy with her an Samantha thought I had her in my car.

We found our daughter when we went back to the pub helping the staff and we all had a jolly good laugh about it all.

I thank you for your concern but I can assure you that little Nancy was safe at all times. It’s so jolly well nice to know that the people of Argentina have my best interests at heart and I have to thank each and every one of you for your support.

Now if you will excuse me I have to get ready for another round of meetings at the G20 summit. I have to say though that as I am in Mexico I thought I would be out of the rain, its seems that the Mexico is making me very welcome its rather like being back at home what with all the rain.

By for now and if any of you have any questions that you would like me to answer appertaining to the Falkland's please let me know.

David Cameron.
66 Max (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
Sovereignity against UK ...very normal action !
67 Falkland Islands (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
35 Marcos Alejandro
The British people can only have a referendum when the government are guaranteed the result they want.

You always get it wrong don't you, like you always have! That is the way it happens in Argentina, but here this corruption does not happen like it does over there. (On another note: I also never trust a traitor, you know what I mean Marcos)
68 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
@66 Max (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:18 pm

An action that the UKG would welcome and support and that Argentina would ignore and try to undermine.
69 Steve-32-uk (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 08:47 pm Report abuse
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/20/independence-for-falklands-could-end-standoff?newsfeed=true
70 Conor (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
@65 Mr Cameron
If you really are Mr David Cameron maybe you could explain as to why you are denying me and the rest of the country the right to decide our future on the EU? Something we never voted for and don't particularly want.
71 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
@69 Steve-32-uk (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 08:47 pm

I think independence is inevitable eventually but what if the Falkland Islanders don't want independence just yet?
72 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
67 “but here this corruption does not happen”

Of course not...

“It is ironic that 22 years after British troops died for democracy in the Falklands, that a British citizen would be forced to flee the Falklands to escape political corruption and death threats, to seek democracy and freedom of speech in Argentina”

www.falklands.net/FalklandsCorruption.shtml

Not to mention the disappearance of “only”23 kilo bags of cocaine from the police station a few years ago.
73 yankeeboy (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
Oh I love to be right! Way back I asked Axel what will happen when there isn't enough money to pay salaries ABOVE the inflation rate. Of course he said that would never happen. In fact if was impossible because the economy would grew at least the inflation figure so they could always increase salaries more than that.

And like gravity the laws of economics have finally put Argentina flat on their as*!!!

Truck drivers( esp fuel) started a nationwide strike yesterday demanding a 305 raise, gov't said no, so they have refused to deliver fuel. Gas stations in some parts of BA province are already dry and most will be out of gas by tomorrow.
hahahaha
Maybe Toby's bus can't get gas and that is why he isn't posting today.
Also a lot of poor RGs heat their food and homes with “garrafas” portable propane tanks...
Also has there every been a Peronista Prez that didn't have control of the Unions...I think not...showing weakness will bring out the thugs watch out Krissy.
brr
74 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
69 Steve-32-uk Interesting comment on the article you posted.

• “David Cameron says of the Falklands dispute that ”we believe in self-determination and act as democrats here in the G20” (Pushing the envelope: PM in row with Kirchner at G20, 20 June). Fine words, but they weren't exactly followed over the return of Hong Kong to China or the evacuation of the Chagos Islands: nobody asked them to exert their right to self-determination. It couldn't, surely, be because the Falkland islanders are white and the others are not, could it?
Richard Carter
London
75 briton (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
Just my opinion,
But I think independence from the UK at this point in time, is very dangerous,
It would suit Argentina, and perhaps some British politicians, [why one wonders]
But call me a sceptic if you like, but I remember Cyprus,
And remember, that while under British rule, it was safe, within a very short time after independence, it was invaded, despite the fact that several countries guaranteed them,

Again, I say, how many newly independent countries can anyone name, who last more that a couple of years without trouble, taking into account, those that were vulnerable in the first place,
Briton thinks, the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar, should be ruled directly from Westminster,
And they can enjoy whatever we have,
As part of the UK you will be safe, just like the Spanish and French enclaves, no one will try it,

Am I wrong or am I just talking rubbish,
Time will tell [your time]
We don’t trust politicians
We don’t trust the OAS
We don’t trust the UN
And we don’t trust Argentina,
A people that gives as must interest to your rights as they do the cleaners in the toilet,
Once you go, it’s harder to get there, harder to justify in the future,
Bad British future government]
And once they get in, you will not get them out, do you really think the mighty UN will get them out,
Your choice, your decision,
My opinion,
Stay with us, and don’t go independent,
Join us for at least 50 years, till all this dies down.
Just me.

.
76 honoria (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
Marcos Alejandro
It seems it may be true that you are the dishonourable Mr B, posing as an Argentine and biting the hand that fed you.
77 Xect (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
Ah as ever Marcos turns up knowing zero about what he is talking about and posting random comments from people on the article as if they are truth.

As far as I'm concerned anyone who talks about Hong Kong knows zero about the subject in hand given the land Hong Kong is on was leased from China and the lease expired. It's all rather simply to someone with an IQ of oh over say 50.... (that obviously excludes Marcos the moron who can only post links to spurious articles and random comments).

And as ever confusing history with the present.
78 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
@75 briton (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:29 pm

Except that even if the FI do decide to declare independence, the UK will stay to defend them if they ask us to. Independence probably won't change anything. The British military won't be leaving until the FIG tells them it is time to go and Argentina will not recognise FI independence anyway.
79 Conor (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
@76 Mr Honoria
You think Mr Marcos to be honourable? I've been on this site for barely a day and I know that he is pretty deranged, he grabs random arguments from the web, makes an unfunny joke, and then abruptly buggers off, without backing his points. And when he does debate he doesn't make sense, falls back to his original hyperlink and struggles to put up a defence when countered. Early signs of either acute paranoia or he simply is a fool.
80 briton (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 10:09 pm Report abuse
78 Furry-Fat-Feck
You may well be right,
But we will be 8,000 miles away,
I try to make comparisons, but it does not work out,
I see Gibraltar, and British politicians,
In the past we everything there,
But over the last 20 odd years, the British government, has effectively closed the royal navy yard,
[And now use by consent] we still go there, but by consent
The RAF has been reduced, the runway and tower put over to civilian use and control, and the army has been removed, we still go there, but by consent, [and that is what worries me]
The government has I believe sold over 85% of all British military to civilian use and buyers,
Even the rock, has been stripped of sensitive equipment, [I don’t know if all has been removed]
The British politicians seem to be slowly but surely withdrawing from Gibraltar,
They say blab la bla , and to save money,
I just don’t trust them.

.
81 Falkland Islands (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
72 Marcos Alejandro,

that a British citizen would be forced to flee the Falklands to escape political corruption and death threats, to seek democracy and freedom of speech in Argentina”

What a load of crap, He tried to be elected and sulked when not many voted for him, so therefore he went and found a country just as sulky as he is, you deserve him and all the other traitors. I really hope he is home sick, because he won't be coming back! Shame on him.
82 slattzzz (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:06 pm Report abuse
@ 27 local knowledge does that mean you have set foot on the FALKLAND ISLANDS, no I don't think so unless you were one of the surrender monkeys!!!!
83 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:15 pm Report abuse
76 honoria, Mr who?
Did you read this part?

“Bingham wins in Supreme Court”

“That such a corrupt regime operates under the protection of the British government is a disgrace to every hard working Britain”
84 M_of_FI (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:27 pm Report abuse
Ah typical of the Argentines on here... they claim the Falklands are a colony of Britain, but Britain refuse to negotiate with Argentina without the permission of the Falkland Islanders. How can you keep a colony but listen to the people? Another one of those hypocritical statements from our beloved Argentina keyboard warriors. You have to love Argentine hypocrisy!

You can't condemn Britain for being colonisers and also when they listen to the people or a territory (therefore not acting like colonisers)! Brilliant. Only Argentines can be this short-sighted. Argentina love to damn people for what they do and what they don't do.

Why do Argentina and it's people hold Britain to high standards but don;t apply the same high standards to themselves...?
85 Falkland Islands (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:35 pm Report abuse
Totally agree, well said m of fi. As for Marcos you never answer a question or be logical, typical of your people, just keep listening to the crap that Argentina blows out of it's ar*e. As for Bingham, he was another who never got his own way, so heads off to Argie land for political sympathy!
86 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jun 21st, 2012 - 12:52 am Report abuse
85 Mike proved that major corruption exists in Malvinas and that you were wrong.
87 Falkland Islands (#) Jun 21st, 2012 - 01:28 am Report abuse
Maybe in your Malvinas wherever that is but not theFalklands. Go and mind your own business fanatic.
88 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jun 21st, 2012 - 03:26 am Report abuse
87 Malvinas Islands
Of course there is no corruption in such a small British community, just ask your “Chair of the Falkland Islands 2012 Committee; Lewis Clifton......”

en.mercopress.com/2009/02/06/falkland-islands-weekly-penguin-news-update
89 DanyBerger (#) Jun 21st, 2012 - 06:14 am Report abuse
@Islander1, LEPRecon, THOR94

Boys Islanders cannot discuss because nations have to talk wit other nation. I checked twice and there is not any nation with people called F Islanders ate the moments.

The relation with UK concerning your permission is irrelevant to foreigner nations this at the moment is a domestic issue for UK.

@War Monkey

“You go first. What shall we talk about?”
Sovereignty

@David CaMoron
That is not a good excuse at all, if you forgot your daughter who knows what you can forget in the future.

By the way how are you going to fix UK dying economy while servicing interests of UK’s huge debt?

Any though?
90 War Monkey (#) Jun 21st, 2012 - 07:18 am Report abuse
@89 DanyBerger (#)
Jun 21st, 2012 - 06:14 am

1) Sovereignty? Fair enough. What do you want to know about it?
91 Englander (#) Jun 21st, 2012 - 08:02 am Report abuse
89
Your English is shit.
92 DanyBerger (#) Jun 21st, 2012 - 09:07 am Report abuse
@ Englander

“English is shit”
I know
93 Usurping Pirate (#) Jun 21st, 2012 - 11:07 am Report abuse
DB : Is that the best you can up with ? You live in a failed state riven with violence , poverty and corruption and you hero worship a government that is literally robbing you blind .
If Argentina had a referendum today on whether to be carry on being ruled by a thieving psychotic tart or becoming part of the United Kingdom or the United States , I think you would be very surprised by the result .
94 M_of_FI (#) Jun 21st, 2012 - 11:27 am Report abuse
@88, notice Marcos that is corruption that is punished. How much corruption is there in Argentina and how are they punished for their crimes? I notice the wealth of yoiur President has increased significantly since she has been in office....
95 cLOHO (#) Jun 21st, 2012 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
RG's corrupt and humiliated country of surrender monkeys
96 Conqueror (#) Jun 21st, 2012 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
@72 Don't bring your personal problems and faults on here.

@74 OH, Hong Kong and the Chagos Islands AGAIN. Got anything new have you? Both situations have been explained many times before so I'm not going to repeat. Clearly, you have the attention span and memory of a crushed peanut.

@83 Being away from proper people has obviously affected you. Or did you ever know how to spell “Briton”?

@86 As I recall, Bingham was found to have falsified ALL his academic “credentials”. I wonder if there is a single word that Bingham has ever said or written that is even “possible”, never mind “true”.

@89 I can understand your first point. The IMF is not a “nation” and neither is argieland. How do they get to “talk”?

Regarding the UK debt: Our inflation is hovering around 5%. Yours is over 30%. We consider our fuel and energy supplies a little expensive. You are looking at “interruptions” to fuel and energy supplies. But your concern for our welfare is appreciated. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
97 Clyde15 (#) Jun 21st, 2012 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
#89
We will fix our economy by sprinkling pixie dust over our green and pleasant land.
If you ask us nicely, we may have some to spare.
98 Ant (#) Jun 22nd, 2012 - 03:05 am Report abuse
Always the same for Mecopress, all commentators paid by British intelligence service, a false illusion of self-determination to kelpers.
I just wanted to show this site: www.malvinense.com.ar/smalvi/2012/2189.htm
99 DanyBerger (#) Jun 22nd, 2012 - 04:59 am Report abuse
@Usurping Pirate

“You live in a failed state riven with violence , poverty and corruption and you hero worship a government that is literally robbing you blind”

So seriously Mr. Travel Adviser what country do you recommend me to go?
100 Clyde15 (#) Jun 22nd, 2012 - 11:50 am Report abuse
#98
Thank you for the reference but no speako dago.
101 Simon68 (#) Jun 22nd, 2012 - 12:30 pm Report abuse
99 DanyBerger (#)

Falkland Islands!!!
102 Benson (#) Jun 22nd, 2012 - 12:52 pm Report abuse
“Young Falkland Islanders with a banner” says the picture above.
Woww..what a large group! Not to mention that at least one of them is an Englishman politician in Malvinas...and not that young.
I don't know what picture you are looking at but neither of them are politicians. The one on the right is an agronomist and the other is an accountant. The accountant was born in the Falklands and the agronomist moved to the Falklands as a toddler.
103 Conqueror (#) Jun 22nd, 2012 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
@98 Really?? Can you tell me where my monthly salary has got to? Tell you what, how much are you offering for me to “tell the truth”. Perhaps you can suggest a suitable way to get the money to me. How about a “handover” in Grosvenor Square Garden, London. It's not far from your embassy.

@99 Atlantis.
104 puerto argentino (#) Jun 22nd, 2012 - 10:55 pm Report abuse
Full speech of Alexander Betts (a Bennie or Kelper) in the Decolonization Committee www.malvinense.com.ar/smalvi/2012/2189.htm
The Bennies or kelpers not entitled to anything, Terrible!!!
105 Ant (#) Jun 23rd, 2012 - 03:42 am Report abuse
@ 103 Conqueror would not you pay for MercoPress comment? then it is the only one who does not get paid. meeting with Cameron, you must have the same right as other commentators. and maintain the illusion of self-determination to the Kelpers.
106 Conor (#) Jun 23rd, 2012 - 04:32 am Report abuse
@105
Mr Ant, what about self-determination for the native South Americans? Oh thats different.
107 British_Kirchnerist (#) Jun 23rd, 2012 - 08:17 am Report abuse
This is as others have said a not very good article. For example “they are seeking to determine whether or not they wish to remain British citizens”. I thought they were not British citizens; in fact didn't Thatcher take their British nationality away? The status quo, where they are non-citizens, shouldn't even be on the table in the 21st century; leaving aside the specifics of each countries case, surely they should either be British or Argentine, citizens of real independent countries. Or dual citizens, if both sides negotiate well surely that could work??
108 Ant (#) Jun 23rd, 2012 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
Conor @ 106 do not confuse my point of view, which is the exponential multiplication of commentators, very suspicious, is practiced on the web used to deceive a subject. Poor Kelpers with their shields, mercenaries paid by the English -
Referred to his alleged distraction, Argentina is a democratic nation-state with all peoples integrated and adhere to ILO 169 Resolution
109 Conor (#) Jun 23rd, 2012 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
@108
What???? “Argentina is a democratic nation-state with all peoples integrated and adhere to ILO 169 Resolution” er...sorry that does not exempt you from colonialism, especially as the Falkland originally had no inhabitants, while LatAm did.
“Poor Kelpers with their shields, mercenaries paid by the English -” That argument has no basis and you know it. Grow up you are never going to take the island and you know it.
110 shb (#) Jun 23rd, 2012 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
@108 - perhaps you would like it if we claimed your house and wanted to to make you a British subject whether you liked it or not.
111 Ant (#) Jun 23rd, 2012 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
@ 109 Dear Connors, not ridiculous, you speak of colonialism?. There is a carpet with blood of millions of dead built by British colonialism in history and the world. Offend. It is much cynicism.
I argue that most commentators are paid for self-determination. Do you with many names used in Mercopress?
112 Conor (#) Jun 23rd, 2012 - 11:27 pm Report abuse
@111
Well Mr Ant, if your English was perhaps a little clearer I might be able to understand your argument. “Millions of dead” common misconception of History thousands died yes but nowhere near the millions that you suggest.

“most commentators are paid for self-determination.” As a result of your use of language I can't understand what you are saying, are you implying that I am paid to do this? I can assure you I'am not.

“Do you with many names used in Mercopress?” Im afraid I cant make out what you are saying old boy, please be clearer next time.

Oh and by the way My name is 'Conor' not “Connors.”
113 Ant (#) Jun 24th, 2012 - 01:13 am Report abuse
@112
I use the google translator, but if you understand 'Conor' or “Connors”. But very good excuse when no arguments (bad is payable to comment). The British colonialist and instransiguente. Is sooner or later will return the islands to their rightful owners LosArgentinos.
I understand good English with google taductor.
114 Clyde15 (#) Jun 24th, 2012 - 07:51 am Report abuse
#113
Sorry to disalusion you, but the Google translator does not work very well.
For example in your posting ”( bad is payable to comment)”.
This does not mean anything sensible in English. English can be a very precise language and if the word order is changed then the meaning is totally lost.
I tried the google translator on some Spanish text and found I was better translating it myself with the aid of a Spanish dictionary
115 Ant (#) Jun 24th, 2012 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
@ 114
thanks for the information. to consider in the future.
116 Dave204 (#) Jun 24th, 2012 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
Marcos Alejandro (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:03 pm Report abuse
Is Argentina invading or attacking another country every few months like Britain?
@40
of course not, but only because you don't have the military or financial rescources to do so. The whole wold knows this, but do carry on:)
117 British_Kirchnerist (#) Jun 25th, 2012 - 09:26 am Report abuse
#116 Or because its beautiful President is genuinely committed to peace, unlike the warmongering West
118 LEPRecon (#) Jun 25th, 2012 - 02:06 pm Report abuse
@117 - BK

Your Plastic President is genuinely committed to lining her own pockets, while the peasants starve around her.

The Falkland Islanders will get their say in this referendum, and then the UK government, on behalf of the Falkland Islands Government, should petition the UNGA to get the Falklands off the decolonisation list, and tell Argentina to STFU.
119 Benson (#) Jun 25th, 2012 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
@107 B_K. No, we are British citizens. We were given full British citizenship after the war.
120 Rosarino (#) Jun 25th, 2012 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
so, if you are british, why you want to make a vote to keep british”...are you or not?
Every one HERE knows you are british...all latinamerican´s countryes knows that-

Other very different history is if you are looking for Independence!
Of course we have arguments to oposse....but in that case, if you resign your links whit UK and want to become INDEPENDENTS, well, maybe you have a case to show to UN.

You have a monument and it say COLONY OF UK.... in your own land..
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/defence-and-security-blog/2012/jun/22/falklands-gibraltar-sovereignty

I can see there are other british citizens thinking different of you-or similar of me!!

Regards
121 ChrisR (#) Jun 25th, 2012 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
120 Rosarino

The ONLY British Citizen (at the moment 'till we get rid of the hangers on) who thinks the same way as you is Blind_Scottie_Kirchner.

And he is in real need of psychiatric help.
122 Rosarino (#) Jun 25th, 2012 - 11:42 pm Report abuse
and you say this guy, who writes and have a column in The Guardian is a fake?

How many columns did you write (no here of course)?

Regards-
123 Dave204 (#) Jun 26th, 2012 - 03:42 am Report abuse
@BK
No, I think I'm closer to the mark. I do admire your perseverance though, you are an excellent troll, hat off to you sir!:)
124 Bob Loblaw (#) Jun 26th, 2012 - 11:31 am Report abuse
KFC wants talks, what would be the point Argies want one thing, Falklanders and UK dont want to let them have it. Here is how it would go;

kfc 'high Dave can we have the Falklands?'

Dave ' Nope'

kfc 'oh'
(kfc attempts sad face and fails due to botox and botched face lifts).

Fin
125 row82 (#) Jun 27th, 2012 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
Please join this new fb page - Falkland Islands Desire The Right - dedicated to Falkland Islands current affairs, keeping the islands free and poking fun at the loonacy of the Argentine government and their various claims and their internet trolls - www.facebook.com/Britain1592

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