Falklands’ government accepts content to discuss air links and fisheries with Argentina
The Falkland Islands government announced on Thursday it is content to hold preliminary talks with Argentina on air links and fisheries cooperation as was proposed by Argentine ambassador Alicia Castro to the Foreign Office last April 23, given certain clarifications.
In effect, in the reply letter addressed in early June to Ambassador Castro the FCO Overseas Territories Directorate states that Falklands’ flights issues should be subject to a commitment from the Argentine government that it will not seek to block the current Lan Chile air link and that there is a review of the policy of banning charter planes from over-flying Argentine space.
Likewise the Falklands and the UK are willing to resume discussions on the South Atlantic Fisheries Commission, SAFC, and resumption of scientific research cooperation for the broader objective of conservation in the South Atlantic.
Nevertheless the Falklands’ government insist that talks on fisheries cooperation should not be used as a forum for a discussion of sovereignty, “which the Falkland Islands people do not want”.
The letter from the Foreign Office points out to Ambassador Castro that the Argentine initiative was re-addressed to Falklands Legislative Assembly since these issues (air links and fisheries) are the responsibility of the Falkland Islands Government.
The Legislative Assembly replied to the FCO on June 6 and the following day, Colin Roberts head of the Overseas Territories directorate wrote to Ambassador Castro.
The Argentine government has acknowledged receipt of the letters but has not yet responded.
Follow the full text of the letters: June 6, addressed by the Falklands Legislative Assembly to the FCO setting out its willingness to hold preliminary talks with the Argentine government, and the June 7 written by Colin Roberts to Ambassador Castro saying the Falklands welcome any genuine initiative that helps to restore a spirit of cooperation with Argentina, given certain clarifications.
- Letter from Falkland Islands Government to Foreign and Commonwealth Office .
- Foreign Office letter to Argentine Ambassador Alicia Castro.
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But from their prospective, if they claim another victory or that their harassment and threats has born fruit.
Then you will be back to square one.
For if the fox thinks he has won, then you will never get him out of the hen house, until he gets all the chickens.
Buy hey, its just my opinion,
and your choice .
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After snubbing the FI representatives at the C24 “We love CFK” Committee, the Argentine government have been offered a second olive branch.
I'm not really sure with CFK's attitude of late that they deserve a second bite of the cherry but you can't say the FI government is being un-reasonable.
Let's see how this goes.
You are probably correct,
We both know what she is like , and how she claims everything is a victory,
You are right, they need to stop all the harassment first .
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Oh, by the way, Islas Malvinas, is not a recognised Royal Mail address.
The UN resolutions are a result of innacurate comments the Aergentines sent to the UN in the 1960s that can be shown by researching the history in depth, not the shallow surface skim employed by Argentina.
Therefore the resolutions are invalid.
As Argentina does not follow UN resolutions, it cannot criticise the UK.
Not a squeak from the RGs... and the letter was sent 3 weeks ago........they just don't know what to say.....
How about. “Shit what do we do now, I know lets ask Christine.”
If the Argentine government refuse to talk, it shows itself to be hipocritical liars, if they do talk they then have to acknowledge that the Falkland Islands Government and therefore the people of the Falklands exist, and therefore have the right to self-determination.
So it's a win-win situation for the Falklands and a lose-lose situation for CFK and her cronies.
What's the odds that they were just going to ignore this reply to their letter in the hope that everyone would forget about it, but now it has been made public, and they've acknowledged receipt they have been neatly backed into a corner.
Well done FIG with help from the FCO.
You would think that they might just possibly get the message by now. That the FOG are much better at the political game than them, all three members of thr FOG! but I doub't it. Embarressed by an Island of 3000 people. Sad!
Or something like that at any rate.
Under the following conditions: a) UK recognizes that there is a sovereignty dispute. b) UK accepts that Argentina will never recognize the existence of an island government. c) The islanders never undertake not to initiate any steps to seek independence.
If you accept these conditions, talk.
I guess KFC told them to print that....
However by that time both the Russians and Chinese will be so fed up or Argentine corruption and unreliability that they're more likely to nuke Argentina, and save the world from their constant whinging and crying.
That is assuming CFK doesn't get lynched by her own people first.
“The Malvinas government has formally rejected the Argentine proposal”
They are now accepting that the Falkland Islands are self governing - CFK won't like that!
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/increasing-hostility-from-argentina/
www.penguin-news.com/index.php?option=com_flexicontent&view=items&id=365:falklands-responds-to-argentine-approaches-on-fishing
References:
Reino Unido rechazó la propuesta de vuelos con Argentina:
www.lanacion.com.ar/1486039-reino-unido-rechazo-la-propuesta-de-vuelos-con-argentina
El Reino Unido rechazó la propuesta de más vuelos a Malvinas que hizo Cristina:
www.clarin.com/politica/malvinas/Reino-Unido-propuesta-Malvinas-Cristina_0_727127532.html
Clarín article shows awareness of the intent by Falkland Islanders not to jeopardize their LAN Chile connexion in favour of an Argentine link, but the article only seems to mention that in passing (its not bolded for one thing), while going on about the Argentine proposal being for 3 flights a week linking Buenos Aires to the Falklands.
Interesting to read Clarín reader comments, where there is some surprise that there would enough traffic to warrant three flights per week. Others point out that the flights would be heavily used by cargo, not passengers.
Query.... does anyone know why it has taken 3 weeks for this news to surface?
Nothing more cheese that Pirates calling themselves Lords
Are you sure do not want to include your specialization in the Olympics? I see, you are afraid you end in second place after Somalia...
El Reino Unido pone condiciones para aceptar los vuelos con la Argentina que ofrece el Gobierno:
www.lanacion.com.ar/1486039-reino-unido-rechazo-la-propuesta-de-vuelos-con-argentina
backpedaling has begun....
additionally,harvesting of fruits from CKF foreign policy re. Malvinas has also begun
Amusing though the spin Arg is already putting out- “the UK rejects” etc - nobody has rejected anything - and all decisions and suggestions are those from FIG and not UK!
@40 - Helber - LOL how did you get to that? 2+2=47.5?
The UK as ever is just playing with the Cretina and her ridiculous government. By sending the requests onto the Falkland's government she has a choice to either acknowledge their existence or not have any discussions.
Checkmate!
I have a feeling that this was a publicity stunt by Castro and will fizzle out.
Argentina could certainly benefit from fish stock management.
Good response by FIG. Well thought out and well executed. Let's hope the FCO did their part and didn't debadge the letter. Sometimes their levels of diplomacy are lost on, shall we say, certains regions of the world.
Argentina can lie (how unusual) to its people all it wants, but the rest of the international community will be looking at how a small group of people in the Falklands have out politicked the whole Argentine government, and are now having a good laugh at them.
@38 Did you not read the requirement that all comments have to be in English? This means more than stringing a lot of English words together and hoping they make sense. As it happens, yours don't.
@40 Where's the back-pedalling, half-breed?
@43 Never mind. Although it is sad that you've started suffering from dementia at your age.
Conqueror beat me to it, but l will say it anyway to make sure that your pea-sized brain gets it.
a) NO
b) NO
c) NO
d)NO. don't want to talk to idiots.
Simple, really.
Why are Arg press printing bullshit?
Because ARG media conglomerates like Clarin, La nacion, etc. always do that especially on economy facts, etc.
Why?
Because publishing what is true goes against their interest. Which is to erode the govt. in any possible way.
Nothing new.
The withdrawal from the South Atlantic Fisheries Commission was monumentally irresponsible to future generations. Its time to get it back on track - scientifically.
Clearly coercion doesn't work, time to join the real world again.
British pirate are they there,
The Argies love to bullshit,
The world is full of prates,
We say unto they these uneducated Argies, who love and admired the British pirates,
[NAME ONE]
Name just one British pirate,
.
As far as I have been able to test, both Clarín and La Nación, as well as Río Negro have been pretty factual in their reporting of recent events, both in Argentina and on the international stage. This has at the same time been untrue with respect to Página12, Crónica, and the TV show 678.
This business of “Clarín miente” is absolute rubbish, typical dictatorship move to repress the oposition media.
All it shows is that this KK government is sliding towards authoritarianism faster and faster. We should follow Paraguay's example and get rid of both Kretina and Boudou and all other KK that are despoiling our poor country!!!!
Sir Francis Drake
I believe there's a little stretch of water down that way that's named after his passageway.
Drake's Colon was it?
Sir Henry Morgan, a good Welshman.
Please not that the FIG has asked Argentina to re-authorize the CHARTER flights over her airspace, it has in no way agreed to the Aerolineas Argentinas flights from BA.
FIG has also stipulated that Argentina should in no way do anything to cut the LAN flights.
The main thing that FIG is wanting is for Argentina to come back to the SAFC talks, as the present situation is damaging fish stocks both in Falkland Island watwers as well as Uruguayan waters.
Jun 29th, 2012 - 01:20 pm
Inspector Morse has cracked it again.
Sorry.
Yes. I believe that is the plan. What makes me snigger though is that KFC and her munchkin men think they are being subtle and clever about it.
I honestly don't think that FIG will agree to the AA flights, whatever other agreements they manage to come to with our government.
I believe that FIG really only wants the charter flights and the return of Argentina to the SAFC talks.
Sometimes it's better to state the obvious, another analogy would be a drug dealer trying to get their potential addict hooked. I would be a hopeless diplomat, I would push launch buttons and tell people to F-off far too regularly :-)
AA is a state airline- thus the Arg State would have to talk with and deal with FIG Dept of Civil Aviation etc- that means recognizing that we exist as the Govt with responsibility for Civil Aviation in and out of the Island- ie we exist as a people and a Govt! - I see a problem there for Argentina!- once you defacto accept there is a Govt and people there - then in time all the rest including UN rights etc follows!
Also any Arg goods to come top the Falklands will first of all have to have the appropriate EXPORT forms completed by the relevant Arg Govt Department. A bit difficult for them to do this without actually thus recognizing that we are a different Country!
There is no doubt that FIG has outmanouvered Kretina and the trolley dolly over this, even better than the presentation of the letter at C24.
To me, as a viewer from the Argentine side, as it were, the only really important points here ar:
1) The charter flights.
2) The South Atlantic Fisheries Commission.
If FIG can get our people to authorize #1 and start talking within #2 then that really will be progress, but my suggestion is... Don't hold your breath!!!
Jun 29th, 2012 - 02:14 pm
Yes. Sorry. You are quite right.
Found this little gem for themselves as are interested:
www.thefifthcolumn.co.uk/the-agitator/michael-buerk-on-argentina’s-‘breathtaking-hypocrisy’/
www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/falkland-islands/47714/trouble-argentina-remind-them-their-nazi-backing-past
The facts are,
There were English pirates
There were Irish pirates
There were Scottish pirates
There were welsh pirates.
But there were NO British pirates,
After 1707 we are British,
76, listen
, the Malvinas government showed its willingness to discuss ways of communication but remarked that the proposal “was not made within a context of amity and friendship,” but “against a backdrop of increasing hostility.”
CFK
Likewise, the letter remarked that the proposal made by President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner during a special session in Congress “was made not within a context of amity and friendship towards the (Malvinas) Islands people but against a backdrop of increasing hostility
one of them is wrong.
from the same page top and bottom
@61 I would be more concerned about something more obvious. Who set up the first air links? Who built the first airstrip? That's right. The argie air force. Was there ever a plan to land an invasion force by air? Is the current proposal not for 3 return flights a week? The smallest AA aircraft seems to be the Boeing 737-700 that can carry 128 passengers. So is there demand for 384 return flights per week? Or suppose AA sends an Airbus A340-300 that can carry 290 “passengers”. And probably their kit as well.
@74 No, it isn't! I knew you couldn't read proper English. The FIG has said nothing of the sort.
@76 What “ilegal British club in Argentina”? Surely argieland wouldn't countenance anything illegal inside its country? Except theft from an overseas company. Blocking an international bridge. Police corruption. Government corruption. Presidential theft. Fortunately, the Falkland Islands aren't argie territory. And every argie will be dead before it happens!
and see what kind of reply you get.
it shows how very friendly we are .
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...... etc.
Brilliant! So funny :))
You do stand-up? Where are you next appearing?
We might have a FIG, Marcos but you have a government of Turnips.
All International Air Links to and from the Islands come 100% fully under the authority of the department of Civil Aviation, Falkland Islands Govt - the competent recognised authority. As used by Lan or any other airline that flies here, the same authority that every Argentine private aircraft contacts with to seek landing permission here.
All affairs of Fisheries nature in our Fisheries Zone(as accepted by the many nations who have taken licences over the years- eg Chile-China-USSR-South Korea-Japan-Taiwan etc) are fully under the operational and licensing control,revenue etc, of the Department of Natural Resources-Fisheries- of the Falkland Islands Govt.
There- does that explain that if the talks go ahead in time it will be the Arg Govt - talking directly across the table with- the Falkland Islands Govt, No doubt the meeting “chaired” by someone from the UK Govt - perhaps similar in a way to the early Northern Ireland talks where you had the British on one side- the IRA on the other and an American senator as chairperson.
None of the issues of Air links nor Fisheries are operated by the British Govt - do you follow?
Very funny.
Chey, do those “fig” lover people still boil penguins for oil or they just starve them to death?
Ask Islander1 he might know.
wouldnt class myself as a “fig lover” either - dont mind the one but the other type takes taxes from me!
Unlike the uncivilised chav Argentines who currently club fur seals to death in the Antarctic, something no Malvanista has yet denied.
When it comes to bullying the British Armed forces (which CFK will eventually try through sheer desperation after all her stunts are neutralised by FIG), the RG's will get their ass well and truly kicked.
Once a peronist, aways a peronist-political sons and daughters of Adolf Hitler.
Are you sure?
Do you remember the ratio?
8 boiled penguins=1 gallon of oil
“This business of “Clarín lies” is absolute rubbish, typical dictatorship move to repress the oposition media.”
Here an irrefutable proof!
Clarin:
Headline: “El Reino Unido rechazó la propuesta de vuelos a Malvinas que hizo Cristina”
Translation: “United Kingdom rejected the proposal of air link flights to Malvinas made by Cristina”
Body: “Los kelpers no quieren nuevos vuelos desde Buenos Aires tal como propuso la Presidenta el 1 de marzo pasado”
Translation: “The Kelpers don’t want new flights from Buenos Aires like the president (Cristina) proposed on March, 1st “
www.clarin.com/politica/malvinas/Reino-Unido-propuesta-Malvinas-Cristina_0_727127532.html
If anyone read the 2 letters issued by the UK Foreign Office and the FI govt. clear can realise that what Clarin is publish is a lie.
No more to talk about is I guess.
Clarin Group always lies, because is their business.
We did look at boiling penguins to get oil for our tractors but we figured that we'd get more oil if we boiled malvinistas.
Perhaps you could organise a tour or something, Marcos.
A busload of deluded malvinistas would see us right for a few weeks tractor fuel.
Thanking you in advance.
Now if you can catch a Maximo... then you will have enough oil to see the Falklands through this winter and much of the next...
Guess what Dunce Burger, the news published by ALL the Argentine press was released by...
THE CASA ROSADA!!!!!
KRETINA MIENTE!!!!
Lets wait the answer.
It is important to support the Falkland Islands people for how they chose to structure their transportation access, and doesn't appear Falklands want to jeopardize LAN Chile flight for an Argentina alternative.
Seems reasonable not to dependent on the very country that is trying to destroy your community, don't you think?
Just as important in the Falklands letter (besides comments about Argentine harassment of vessels and denial of port access), Falklands wants fish conservation research agreements with Argentina to be re-instated - something that so far doesn't seem to have been prominent in Argentine news about the letters.
Lets wait the answer.
They don’t talk to human rights abusers.
And that is what CFK is.
Don't waste your time with DanyBerger he's just doing it for the attention. His perants had to tie a bone around his neck when he was a child just so that the family dog would play with him.............
“the [de] facto government” - colonies do not have governments of their own.
There will be NO TALKS about Sovereignty.
You may as well get used to that fact.
“If the Argentine government refuse to talk, it shows itself to be hipocritical liars, if they do talk they then have to acknowledge that the Falkland Islands Government ...”
Not quite.
The Argentine government can choose the middle road and accept the FIG as an interested party same as e.g. the oil industry or a trade union.
If they do, this may lead to improved relations, which is in the best interest of all parties - unfortunately I am not over optimistic.
BTW: The Buenos Aires Herald article has been changed.
The headline is now
“Malvinas gov't open to CFK's air link proposal but sets conditions” - the conditions being “not interferring [sic] with the weekly LAN airline flight” - it would be a dire mistake of the FIG to give up on the LAN flight.
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/104795/malvinas-govt-formally-rejects-cfks-air-link-proposal
What you are saying is not true no official Govt. release about what you said.
Clarin in his article makes clear that they had access to the letter from the Foreign Office.
With another self-proclaiming exclusive Clarin titled.
“Tal como anticipó Clarín.com hace poco más de 15 días, el Reino Unido le respondió a Cristina Kirchner y dijo que por ahora no”
As Clarin had anticipated 15 days ago, the United Kingdom responded to Cristina saying no.
El Gobierno kelper respondió formalmente a la carta enviada por Castro al Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores del Reino Unido. Mike Summers, miembro de la Asamblea Legislativa en Malvinas dijo: “Dado que estas cuestiones son responsabilidad del Gobierno de las Islas Falkland, el Foreign Office solicitó el asesoramiento de la Asamblea. Hemos respondido en una carta que ha sido remitida al Gobierno de Argentina”.
The Kelper government responded formally to the letter sent by Castro to the UK foreing Office.
Mike Summers, member of the MLA in Malvinas said: Given that some of these issues are responsibility of the Falkland Islands, the Foreign Office asked advise to the Assembly.
We have responded in a letter that had been sent to the Argentine Government.
Not even Clarin citing “Casa Rosada” as the source of the information else Foreign Office and FI Govt.
So everyone with 2 drops of encephalic mass knows that Clarin and many other media groups distort the real information.
Mr Berger, after viewing some of you previous comments regarding the Falklands I just wanted to say/ask, as I said to Mr Think; I hope you realise that there is nothing your country and its people can do, you have tried every social, political and military option to “recover” the islands and all have failed and all the measures/ attempts by you your country and its leaders will only be added to that long list of failures. I mean don't you see? There is nothing you can do to get the islands. Give up.
As UK has made clear to your Ambassador- flights are controlled and decided by the Islands Govt NOT UK Govt - so you need to talk to the Islands Govt.
Understand it now?
Exactly the same for Fisheries - the 2 people at the talks would be Argentina and the Islands - talking and negotiating with each other- full stop - end of.
Understand?
What do you mean “go home”.
Where do you think all the islanders are? Down the pub?.........................
I believe that 98.4% of the Argentine population are non indigenous people, so why don't you go home and give the land back to it true owners, the native South Americans?
The Falkland Islanders are home, and they didn't have to massacre any native people's to do it.
You must be very proud of you colonial history. First the Spanish steal the land and murder the natives, then the colonists declare Indpendence from Spain, and then they murder the natives and steal even more land in the name of freedom. And instead of freeing all those pesky African slaves, you slaughtered them along side the natives. Bad show.
And in 1832 you tried to steal some British land and failed. Not because of the British, but because your military penal colony mutinied, murdered their own commander in front of his family. The big joke is that this is what you base your sovereignty claim on: a FAILED penal colony that was in situ less than 3 months! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Then in 1982 you tried to steal British land again, and this time we showed up and gave you all a good bitch slap.
Face it, unless you're killing poorly armed natives and slaves or throwing civilians from planes, your military is useless. Lost in 1833 (own goal), lost in 1982 (pathetic defence against a smaller force that had to travel 8,000 miles), and in 2012 (pathetic and embarrassing, and humiliating yourselves on the world stage by BEGGING someone stronger than Argentina to fight on your behalf). Argentina is showing itself to be a loser on the world stage - not because you lost a war, but because you refuse to accept that you lost this war, and because you refuse to accept that the people on the Falkland Islands have rights and are doing fine all by themselves.
Argentine governemnt = embarrassment, humiliation, liars, thieves, and thick.
I mean, fancy a national government being out politicked by a small Overseas Territory's government. No wonder the world is laughing at you.
Stop it already. You're making me laugh!
My sides are aching!
So very true though.
God, how it must grate on their nerves everytime we tell them how useless they are.
What a shower of incompetent imbeciles.
I'm here all week...try the veal! ;0)
Your geography is pretty bad. The 'Islas Malvinas' might be in Argentina, but the Falkland Islands are 300 miles from the coast of Argentina in the South Atlantic, and actually 4 miles closer to Chile than to Argentina.
Since there is no such thing as the 'Islas Mavinas' except in your imagination, you can go swivel.
By the way, PH, aren't you embarrassed that your government is so monumentally weak that they have resorted to begging other countries. How humiliating.
Although I understand that you Argentines are getting used to being humiliated.
By the way your last statement smells of desperation. The smell if desperation must be thick abd cloying in Argentina these days. Is it cold, PH, are there blackouts? Maybe La Campora are no longer bringing you food parcels, as they have run out of people to steal money from.
Are the people rising up against your government, which continues to lie, cheat and steal? When the revolution comes, PH, will you be defending Cristina or lynching her? Enquiring minds want to know.
For more than 180 years the Falkland Islanders have lived on the Falkland Islands and have remained British. In 180 years time the Falkland Islanders will still be living on the Falkland Islands and British and Argentina will still be crying. :0)
we wisah, thank you,
but i dont think the American owners would like you giving their company away .
I like coca cola, especially Diet Coke.
Poor Pirat-hunter, no job, no money, no pride, no future - no wonder you're angry, but your problems are all the fault of your inept and corrupt government not the 3,000 people whose families have lived on the Falklands longer than Argentina has existed as a country.
All Argentina's problems are self-inflicted, and even if you gained sovereignty of the Falklands tomorrow, those problems will still remain and get worse. Why? Because you keep electing corrupt governments who spend most of their time lining their pockets instead of looking after Argentina. Corrupt governments who use the Falklands to distract ignorant people (such as yourself) from the real truth.
What's that smell in the air around Buenos Aires? Bullsh!t and Desperation! LOL
next to each other .
enjoy .
www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-2152676/HMS-Queen-Elizabeth-Its-taller-Nelsons-Column-generates-energy-power-5-500-homes--does-Britain-really-need-super-sized-3-5bn-aircraft-carrier.html
On the other hand, unfortunatelly, the politic miopy of the lawmakers from the islands, and the british government won't let them recognize that as long as they insist on rejecting the discusions about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, we will continue having problems in the future. However, they will continue blaming argentina only, and distorting the resolutions from the u. n.
There is something, you all will have to understand, or you'll keep on making the stupid and ignorant comments that some of you do everyday. Allthough both countries decide to resume the negotiations, in order to find a peaceful solution for this conflict, if the islanders want to remain under british sovereignty, argentina won't be able to force them to be only under argentine sovereignty, because that's not what the u. n ask, beyond what our constitution says about the pretentions of our country regarding our claim. Beside, unfortunatelly, you dont realise about the doble standart that you use when you criticise our constitution, at the same that you say that for arg. there is just one outcome, you have always manifested that you are disposed to dicuss about different issues with arg., but not about the sovereignty, and claim for the application of the right to self determination, which has never been applied for this cause, like it was for others colonial situations, so, for you, there is just one outcome too.
It's not imposible to find a fair solution for both, let me tell you that if you dont have enough intellectual honesty, you can't discuss about politic, both countries aren't acting correctly, not only arg.
The FIG has no real reason to talk to our Gevernment, except on the subject of the South Atlantic Fisheries Commission.
The reason is that WE are the ones who have a problem, not the FIG, WE believe that the Islands belong to us, the FIG know that the Islands belong to them, so what is there to talk to us about?
It would be beneficial to both countries if we BOTH managed our fish stocks in a reasonable way, but at the moment the FIG is doing a good job of managing their's so I don't suppose its very important for them to talk to us.
The solution to the soveriegnty thing is for us to admit that we have no claim and let the Falkland Islanders get on with their lives and we do the same.
BTW Axel, did you know that our GDP per capita is US$17.413 and the Falklands is US$55.400. Our inflation is now between 25 and 35% and their's is about 2%. If I had the choice I know where I would prefer to live, what about you?
A PIME in Argentina produce more GDP than the FI and if you make GDP per capita on one of these companies will give 150K or may be more.
What is your point by making these statements?
“If I had the choice I know where I would prefer to live”
You have the choice is called “LAN Chile” who is stopping you?
Someone against Simon to move to FI?
BTW have you planned what to do there for living?
Or do you think to get a “Plan descansar” from FI govt.?
How many times do you have to be told, Axel?
There will be NO TALKS ON SOVEREIGNTY.
It just isn't ever going to happen.
Just build a bridge & get over it.
Some people.............
Please provide a link where it states beyond all doubt, that the UN do not recognise self-determination for the Falkland Islands according to the UN charter which is the basis of all UN principles.
That's the point.
By offering talks the Falkland Islands Government have neatly backed the Argentine Government into a corner. If the Argentine government refuse to talk they show themselves to be liars and hipocrites, if they do talk to the FIG then they acknowlege them as the legitimate authority over the Falklands and all their sovereignty claims will be for nothing.
Once again, well done Falkland Islands Government for out politicking the Argentine Government so easily.
Exercising the right to self determination gives the Falkland Islanders the right to choose their political affiliation. Because of the agressive stupidity of Argentina for the last 3 decades there is only likely to be one outcome to any exercise of that right - a wish to retain our British sovereignty.
However future generations may take a different view, but that would rely on Argentina becoming a decent neighbour and a first world country with first world attitudes. There is a long way to go, so the sooner the public at large get rid of the Loony CFK the sooner your country will progress, and ours will begin to take you more seriously.
Until then, sit back and relax, and watch us continue to grow our economy and look after our people in the way it should be done.
Why don’t you stop all the bullying, threats , blockading , abuse , intimidation , abhorrent lies, FIRST ,
Then come back and talk abt a compromise.
I respect if some of you loves being the lawyers of the islanders, but there is something which is much more important than our opinions, i mean the legal aspects of this conflict. Like us or not, the u. n has never applied the right to self determination for this cause, like it did for others colonial situations, if you dont believe me, search on line, the website of the united nations, and you'll read all the resolutions where self determination is applied to others colonial situations, but there is not not even one reference respecting the application of that right to this cause. On the other hand, this dispute has always been considered like a special colonial situation by the decolonization committee, where the case is presented every year, and calls both nations to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution. I wont express again what would happen in case that the u. k decides to resume the negotiations with arg., and if the islanders manifest their wish of remaining under british government. The biggest problem that some of you have in order to understand this complicated situation, is your total lack of intellectual honesty. I dont deny that our government commited serious mistakes before and after 1982, in fact, allthough i support many of the decisions that c. f. k took regarding this dispute, i have always criticised also the fact that our government doesn't accept to include the government from the islands to discuss about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, there is a contradiction in c. f. k's actions, if she says that the islands are argentine, it means that the islanders are our compatriots, so, they must be included in the negotiations for the sovereignty.
However none of you has never accepted that your side is not acting correctly either, you just blame argentina, and buy so easily the too partial information which is given by your cameron and the lawmakers from the islands.
We invaded the Islands illegally in April 1982, after that little mistake on our part all bets were off.
The UN resolutions are non-binding, niether UK nor Argentina have to take the blindest notice of them, the only binding resolutions in this matter were 501 and 502 which demanded our troops to leave the Islands, and we didn't comply so we lost even the slightest right we may have had over the Islands. We now have absolutely no rights to them. Live with it.
Clinging on to some desparate hope that the UN and the international community at large will deny such a basic human right is to ignore the obligation on all signatories to the UN Charter to respect and adhere to its principles.
Self determination applies and will ultimately be the determining factor in how the Islands develop. The sooner the Argentine Government and people wake up from their decades of imperialist expansionist thinking and join the modern world the sooner we can all live in peace - who knows, one day we might even get on with each other.
Once again, Argentina is right and the brits are wrong, no matter how you wrap this up,
You are ones that need to listen,
Listen , listen ,
The Falkland islanders freely choose to remain British at this moment in time, and if in the future they wish independence, this is there choice,
Not yours
Not argentines
Not CFKS
Not the C24
Not the UN.
Do you understand this?
It is there choice,
Except this, then , tell us how democratic you are, just take ,all the paper out .
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Falkland Islands Govt is saying - yes - we could sit and talk - but naturally your side has to take some of the agression out first which you put in- for example , by the flags ban, overflights ban and blackmail pressure on shipping lines etc.
What is the problem?
So it sinks deeper and deeper and deeper, while under the delusion that it is racing across hard camp at 50 mph.
Self-determination is for all.
We do not want to be part of Argentina & we are not going to be.
You have no rights here & there will be no “negotiations”.
Can't make it any clearer than that.
Unfortunatelly, this is evident that you have the same intellectual miopy than your cameron and your lawmakers from the islands, that's why you support their mediocre analysis, and blame only argentina. I wont express again what i think about c. f. k's actions, but there is something that you will have to understand once and for all some day, or you'll continue making the ignorant comments that you often do.
Firstly, for all those who love signalizing the invasion of 1982, and the militar defeat, like the end of the dispute, they should know that after those terrible and criminal events, the u. n has always continued calling both nations to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution, beside, those ignorants should know also that resolution 502 wasn't respected by none of the two countries, not only by argentina.
After having investigated for more than two years about the historic and legal aspects of this conflict, i think that the resolutions from committe should be more specific, they should affirm if self determination is applicable or not for this cause, otherwise, they will continue being open to different interpertations, which is not good. All the resolutions that were expressed for this dispute, neather invoked the right to self determination for this cause, nor said that it's not applicable, all the resolution have called only the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution, no more. For all these reasons i think that the resolutions should be more specific.
On the other hand, the resolutions were made to be respected, not to be distorted, i won't say again what would happen in case that the u. k decided to resume the negotiations with arg., and if the islanders manifest that they want to remain under british government. We all know that the sovereignty is the main propblem, if you continue blaming only arg., that shows how miopic you are.
I don't “blame” Argentina, it is not a case of blame, it is a case of Argentina making a claim that has no foundation, and consequently applying tactics that are basically illegitemate and hostile to the people living on the islands.
If we had some sort of legitemate claim pre-1982 we have now lost it by the simple expedient of causing deaths by way of an illegal invasion.
We lost our chance. We must accept that and live with it.
You spent 2 years investigating did you? Well you didn't learn very much.
By invading the Falklands in 1982 Argentina invalidated ALL UN General Assembly resolutions. This means that Britain is under no obligation to talk to Argentina about the Falklands.
UN Security Council resolution 502:
Deeply disturbed at the reports of an invasion on 2 April 1982 by armed forces of Argentina. Determining that there exists a breach of the peace in the region of the Falkland Islands:-
1. Demands an IIMEDIATE cessation of hostilities.
2. Demands and IMMEDIATE withdrawal of all Argentine forces from the Falkland Islands.
3. Calls on the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to seek a diplomatic solution to their differences and to respect fully the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
Now before the invasion the UK was is negotiation with Argentina, when your governemnt decided to invade. The UK Government tried to stop the Invasion through diplomatic means.
The UK Government stated it would comply with resolution 502, but Argentina refused to remove their troops, thus breaking the resolution (see part 2). So the UK couldn't follow it until Argentina had met all the parts if the resolution.
Axel. Argentina was the aggressor, Argentina refused to settle the dispute through negotiation and diplomacy. It was Argentina that terrorised, harassed, imprisoned and threatened the people of the Falklands, so why do you find it do hard to understand that they want nothing to do with you?
I also direct you to the last paragraph:
“seek a diplomatic solution to their differences and to respect fully the purposes and PRINCIPLES of the Charter of the United Nations.”
In other words Article 1: the right to all people's to self-determination.
That took me 5 mins to research and write. So that's 2 years of your life wasted isn't it?
you have been found out, havent you,
so now you will go, and appear on another blogg,
taking with you the
[book, articles of a liar] how to lie,
next time perhaps .
Can you link me a case where self-determination is applicable when there is a sovereignty dispute and the place in question is on the decolonization list?
@130 The right to self-determination is in the United Nations Charter. Why don't you read it? WE're all happy with the way things are. So why don't you take all your NON-BINDING UN resolutions and cut them into suitable sized sheets of paper?
@138 It's you that's myopic. A peaceful solution is easy to find. SHUT UP AND GO AWAY!! Two years of your miserable existence WASTED!!!
Axel, the other day, one of your myopic compatriots started waffling on about argieland's title to the Islands. I'll make you the same offer I made to it. Produce the title deeds. Not copies from the archives that peron created in the 50s and 60s. Not whinging letters. Not pathetic diaries. Actual title deeds that can be subjected to proper forensic examination to determine when the paper was made and when the ink was produced. The truth is that you have NOTHING!! During your “research”, you should have pondered the fact that, when making its initial illegitimate “claim”, the UP “government” sent a pirate!! Your “research” paper may impress all the kiddies in your kindergarten, it doesn't impress US. Put it with the UN resolutions you love to quote and cut it into similar sized pieces!!!
Your country can't come up with an indisputable sole claim to the islands. Hermes 1967 withdrew from the last debat we had on this stating that we were biased and hypocritical. He was defeated by his own arguments - that if the sole claim we had was to the location of Port Egmont, then yours is confined to the location of Port Soledad.
In addition you can't prove a soveriegnty transfer from Spain to the UP and then Argentina that we can't dispute.
You can't refute the fact we had a claim in 1833 and that Vernet ought permission from HMG to establish a colony and it's protection if we re-established a prescence, or that he was initially an independent operator.
The best you can do is show a diputed claim in 1833. I would argue, and so would my country, that yours is now dead - killed by 180 years of peaceful settlement by the Falklanders.
In addition, any wish we had to negotiate with you was destroyed by the 1982 war. Being as we were on the verge of selling the islanders out at the time, the invasion must rate as the stupidest and most counter-productive piece of land grabbing in recent history. The ongoing campaign by Argentina against the Falklands merely reinforce the view I have (and many other Brits) that your country is an untrustworthy and unreliable partner, incapable of sticking to any agreements made.
I think HMG does'nt believe it would get any kind of agreement out of your govt ( short of total and unconditional capitulation, followed by the subsequent Argentine occuptaion) that your lot would'nt tear up a few months or years later, putting us all back at square one.
Why should we bother in that case?
No negotiation on sovereignty.
I understand that the war has always been the best excuse for you, in order to reject the negotiations, but your hipocresy and intellectual miopy won't let you see that you are not acting correctly either.
Firstly, resolution 502 wasn't complied by none of the two nations, argentina didn't retire it's troops, and the u. k started a warrior strategy in order to remove argentina from the islands. If your so loved thatcher wanted to recover the islands for the u. k., and protect the islanders from a criminal regimen, she should have sent a garrison to the islands, in order to protect the population, and keep it with the passage of time, in order to avoid any violation to the human rights of the islanders, but that didn't implicate a war, when she ordered to sink the belgrano, which was out of the exclution zone, she showed a total rejection to a peaceful solution, beside, she could have accepted the peruvian proposals of peace, but she didn't. Thatcher knew that only a militar victory would give her the chance to boost her miserable government. The criminal regimen that roled argentina in that time used this cause too, but it lost. Anyway i know that your hipocresy won't let you recognize these facts.
Regarding the resolutions, i know that you love saying that they are not-binding, but there is something that you will have to understand some day, i mean the fact that the solution to this conflict, can't depend only on the wishes of just one part, specially if the case has always been considered like a special colonial situation, and if the right to self determination was never invoked for this cause, like it was for others colonial situations, anyway you already know what i think about how the resolutions should be. Respecting the history, in my investigation, which is based on the academic knowledge of argentine and british professors of int. right, i have the fundaments of the rights of both parts before 1833.
“If your so loved thatcher wanted to recover the islands for the u. k., and protect the islanders from a criminal regimen, she should have sent a garrison to the islands, in order to protect the population, and keep it with the passage of time, in order to avoid any violation to the human rights of the islanders,”
---There were no British forces on the islands other then a 30 man+ of Royal Marine/Navy personnel as Argentina was not considered a threat and it was way to expensive to commit a large force to islands that weren't under threat until the war started!
“ut that didn't implicate a war, when she ordered to sink the belgrano, which was out of the exclution zone, she showed a total rejection to a peaceful solution, beside, she could have accepted the peruvian proposals of peace, but she didn't. Thatcher knew that only a militar victory would give her the chance to boost her miserable government.” The Belgrano was heading back into the zone and was moving into a pincer position on our forces, The Ships captain admits to that and said that the sinking was totally legal. The plan was that the two accompanying Destroyers would pick up the crew without incident, but they fled running for their lives. Oh and the Peruvian peace process was ignored by Argentina first, and as a result the war continued-you ignored all the different peace plans not us. Oh and no British government no matter how unpopular would abandon 2000 of its own citizens to a murdering dictatorship that killed 30,000 of its own people.
As for the rest of what you say were is your evidence that you yourself have been asked to provide but never do? Oh thats right you cant because you lie.
As opposed to Argentina's 'peaceful' ways and history.
1. There was a token military force - 1 Ship (HMS Endurance) and 40 RMs (on 2 April 82 there were 70 plus RM as it was their handover period).
2. A murderous regime had invaded the Falkland Islands and had put the lives of the Islanders at risk. Remember Axel, this was the same military that murdered 30,000 Argentine citizens.
3. The British Government tried every diplomatic approach to solve the dispute, but Argentina's government REFUSED to listen. They even had the RN Task Force sail in circles for days while they tried diplomacy.
4. You truly believe that Margaret Thatcher staked her political career on a war (that if she lost would have seen her out of power) which every military textbook and EXPERT in the WORLD said was unwinable by the British because of:
a. the distance involved
b. horrendously long supply lines
c. no land base from which to work
d. Argentina had a larger military force that was dug in
e. Argentina had more modern planes and missiles than Britain
5. She rejected the Peruvian proposal as it was ridiculous and still left the Islanders at the mercy of the military and Argentina still REFUSED to remove their troops and talk.
6. The Belgrano was involved in a pincer movement that would have trapped the RN carrier group so had to be removed. It was a legitimate target; and Argentina had by invading the Falklands, declared war on Britain.
7. The 1833 explusion if the colonists and the Spanish inheritance myths have been fairly well debunked by everyone Axel, you really are getting desperate now, aren't you?
8. The UN has never said ANYWHERE that the Falklanders don't have the right to self-determination, and if they ever did it would spell the end of the UN, as it would have invalidated itself.
So, Axel, pathetic attempt, filled as usual with lies, distortions and your opinions, but with no shred of evidence. Stop embarrassing yourself like this.
It's not Google translate, just that his brain can't cope with actual facts. :0)
Of the argie failed bloggers to convince anyone anymore?
Less and less, fewer and fewer, come up with anything worth arguing about,
That have totally and utterly failed against the British bloggers on here,
Brits, give your selves a Great British, pat on the back.
You deserve it.
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And you argie bloggers,
Bye bye .
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In announcing the establishment of a Maritime Exclusion Zone around the Falkland Islands, Her Majesty's Government made it clear that this measure was without prejudice to the right of the United Kingdom to take whatever additional measures may be needed in the exercise of its right of self-defence under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. In this connection Her Majesty's Government now wishes to make clear that any approach on the part of Argentine warships, including submarines, naval auxiliaries or military aircraft, which could amount to a threat to interfere with the mission of British Forces in the South Atlantic will encounter the appropriate response. All Argentine aircraft, including civil aircraft engaged in surveillance of these British forces, will be regarded as hostile and are liable to be dealt with accordingly.
You argies had a month to back off. YOU chose not to. The war was YOUR responsibility. Everything Britain did was 100% legal.
Dont worry guys, i already knew that you were not going to recognize that your side didn't act correctly either.
If you think that only our side omits information before the press and before the decolonization committe, regarding the historic and the legal aspects of this cause, that shows the mediocre thought that you have, you think you are always right, and dont want to recognize that your side committed mistakes too, and continues acting uncorrectly.
I know that the conflict of 1982 started because of the desperation of a criminal regimen which thought that the occupation of the malvinas wasn't going to have serious consecuences, the junta wasn't only genocide, it was ignorant too. The junta thought the the u. k would never do a war for the islands, beside, it didn't want a war with the u. k either, what it wanted to achieve with the occupation of 1982, was to force the u. k to negotiate a solution with it respecting the sovereignty of the islands. One the conditions of resolution 502, was that both nations had to solve their problems peacefully, lets' sopose that the sinking of the belgrano was legal, dont you think it was unnecesary?, if thatcher wanted to protect the islanders, and recover the islands for the u. k, she could have achieved without any war, i won't repeat again what i said in my last comment. Only miopyc people like you wound't recognize that when thatcher ordered to sink the belgrano, what she wanted to show is the rejection to any peaceful solution.
Regarding the resolutions from the decolonization committe, this question will finish the day that the resolutions start to be more speciffc, they should affirm if self determination is applicable or not for this case, otherwise, they will continue being open to different interpretations, which is not good. Respecting my investigation, i can send it to you whenever by i mail, i can give you my i mail adress and after you send me an i mail too.
Lets' suppose that the sinking of the began was legal
, don’t you think it was unnecessary
Briton .
[lets presume the sinking of all the royal navy ships, and those poor troops caught out in the open was legal,
DON’T YOU THINK, [THAT] WAS UNNECESSARY?
.
Stop stating “you are myopic and hypocritical and you are wrong”. You have used NO arguments to back up Argentinas claim to the Falklands and have not addressed any of the issues I stated above.
I would suggest that this is the case because you know that Argentina's cause in the Falklands is based omn shakey and easy to dispute assumptions.
If you think otherwise -use some logical arguments to state your case.
I can tell you are clutching at straws when you started on aboiut the Belgrano. You keep on stating that you were against the occupation then write that we should'nt have resisted your aggression in 1982!
Rriiigghhtt..... So you were just going to walk away then...............
The Belgrano was an enemy warship and a valid target, your govt new it, so dif her captain. Thats why we sent her to the bottom. It was totally necessary to protect the lives of our servicemen.
Your lot were'nt going to move out peacefully and if we had waited for a few weeks or months - you would have implemented your plan to ethnically cleanse the islands - the Junta was going to deport the Falklanders en masse. Go look that up. War was our only option and I am glad we won......
How are we acting incorrectly? Tell us. All we are doing is looking after our own people. A people your country treats with utter comtempt.
In 1982 the military junta invaded the Falklands because they knew it would be supported by the Argentine people, otherwise they wouldn't have done it, would they? I remember all those thousands upon thousands of people celebrating in the Plaza de Mayo and elsewhere, praising the Junta calling them hero's. So the Junta thought the British wouldn't fight back, I accept that as a true statement.
But by invading the Falklands, Argentina DECLARED war on Britain, and under Article 51 of the UN charter had the RIGHT to defend our territory and people against an aggressive armed invasion force.
The sinking of the Belgrano was a legal act, within the Laws of Armed Conflict, and it's no use crying about it now. Don't forget that your brave navy ran back to port and stayed there for the duration of the war, so not only was it a legal act, but a very smart tactical one by the British. In comparison, the British lost 5 (possibly more) ships, but stayed and fought through.
If Argentina didn't want to lose the lives of their soldiers, sailors and airmen, it shouldn't have invaded, and your government had WEEKS to abide by the UNSC resolution but refused.
The British couldn't negotiate with Argentina whilst they had troops on the Islands, because it would be similar to trying to negotiate with someone who is holding a gun to your head.
All the lives lost can be firmly laid at the feet of the Argentine government, who gambled on a illegal invasion to boost popularity, gambled that the British wouldn't react, gambled that the Task Force would turn back and gambled that the retaking the Falklands was impossible.
They gambled and they LOST. Get over it, Axel. You LOST any rights to the Islands when you invaded, you LOST any chance if the Islanders willingly joining Argentina, and you LOST any respect Argentina had in South America by your military's poor showing in the war. All Argentina can do these days is cry othe international stage. Pathetic.
Probably couldn't catch the blighters.
l belive they shot through in a great hurry!
Do you think you are free to just ignore this because it is inconvenient ?
Lets' suppose that the sinking of the began was legal
,[ sorry] of course i meant BELGRANO ]
but you know that, did you not,
please axel, support the british, back us up,
change the subject,
indipendence for patagonia, perhaps .
A couple of little “extracts”:
”The Belgrano was sunk outside the 200-nautical-mile (370 km) total exclusion zone around the Falklands. Exclusion zones are historically declared for the benefit of neutral vessels; during war, under international law, the heading and location of a belligerent naval vessel has no bearing on its status. In addition, the captain of the Belgrano, Héctor Bonzo, has testified that the attack was legitimate (as did the Argentine government in 1994).“
”The sinking occurred 14 hours after President of Peru Fernando Belaúnde proposed a comprehensive peace plan and called for regional unity, although Thatcher and diplomats in London did not see this document until after the sinking of the Belgrano. Diplomatic efforts to that point had failed completely. After the sinking, Argentina rejected the plan but the UK indicated its acceptance on 5 May.“
”Argentine Rear Admiral Allara, who was in charge of the task force that the Belgrano was part of, said “After that message of 23 April, the entire South Atlantic was an operational theatre for both sides. We, as professionals, said it was just too bad that we lost the Belgrano”.
The modified rules of engagement permitted the engagement of Belgrano outside the exclusion zone before the sinking.“
See? You're just talking desperate BS.
READ the UN Charter. It ”mentions“ self-determination”. No “committee” can override it. Regarding your “investigation”, try this: falklandshistory.org/sites/default/files/false-falklands-history.pdf
Axel, in your months of research did you find Costa Menedez's letter to Alexander Haig where he told Haig that one of the conditions for stopping the fighting was: “the total expulsion of the population of the islands...”?
Did it also find the quote from Captain Héctor Bonzo in which he said that ARA Belgrano was taking part in a pincer attack on the British Task Force?
Did you also find the statement by Admiral Enrique Molina Pico, head of the Argentine Navy in the 1990s, in a letter to La Nación, published in the 2 May 2005 edition, that the Belgrano was part of an operation that posed a real threat to the British task force, that it was holding off for tactical reasons, and that being outside of the exclusion zone was unimportant as it was a warship on tactical mission. This was the Argentine Navy's official position?
We say unto they these uneducated Argies, who love and admired the British pirates,
[NAME ONE]
Name just one British pirate,
this late comer will pick the glove...
Those who engage in acts of piracy,
are called pirates, I'm afraid.
You tried and fired a roach approach
projecting your views
of what you want or would like to see
to understand
a question of differing keys
alternate meanings
some pickled, some newly half-baked.
You can as well call pirates, explorers,
such as John Hawkins was,
or Francis Drake
(two 'Sirs' by the way)
brilliant mariners, the best in the world
when piracy was on its Golden Age
and Elizabeth reigned.
And we musn't forget the others
that made the seas a hell, no less,
humbling both Spaniards and French, say,
Morgan, Calico Jack, Blackbeard,
Grace O'Malley, Anne Bonny and Black Bart.
So Briton, here's your list
Now tell me, if you can find your guts
why you resent the 'pirate' name
given by us to your whole race?
With due respect
Argie-Salvador
a poetry mate.
Close but no cigar,
all those that you have so brilliantly names,
1, Francis Drake born 1540/3 devon England
2, john Hawkins, 1532 plymouth England
3, henry Morgan was born in Wales in 1635
4, Edward Teach (c. 1680 –), better known as Blackbeard bristol, England
5, black Bart, welsh
6, ann. bonny, [ Irish ]
7, calico jack [English]
, 8, Grace O'Malley, [ Irish ]
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So Briton, here's your list
Now tell me, if you can find your guts
why you resent the 'pirate' name
given by us to your whole race?
With due respect
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[tell me]
Why do people misunderstand some things
1, we love pirates,
2, it is you Argies, that continually call us pirates, today, your fellow bloggers keep calling us British pirates,, all I did was to state that there were no British pirates,
Simple is this not, just very simple .and this can be considered offensive
To some.
But we don’t dislike them , just Argies calling us pirates [ today]
Does this help.
I respect your opinions regarding the causes and the consecuences of the invasion of 1982, but i just agree with a few of your conclutions.
I won't explain again the reasons why i think that both nations didn't respect resolution 502. On the other hand, i know that you love telling often about the support of our people to the invasion of 1982, because there was a lot of people celebrating in plaza de mayo, but, what you omit, as usuall, is that during the dictatorship, there was not any freedom of press, the few chanels that we had were under the control of the junta, all the time it was said that we were wining, beside, the 2nd of april, dictator galtieri had said that we had recovered the sovereignty of the islands without any rancour, which was absolutly false. Beside, when you argue about the protection that your so loved thatcher wanted to give to the islanders, when she ordered to send troops to the islands, you omit that in 1980 nicholas readley had been sent to the islands, who tried to convince the islanders, in order to acchieve that they accept to find a negotiated solution with arg. for this conflict, you omit too the fact that in 1980 thatcher had decided to cut the defence to the south atlantic, beside she had been warned one year before the invasion, about the danger that her decision implicated. However, as usuall, you just tell what is convenient for you.
Respecting the convention of 1849, i tell about it, in my survey, and i tell also about the two oportunities, when the u. k wanted to start negotiations with arg., in order to find a solution for this conflict (1968 and 1980). There was another proposal too by both governments in 1973, but i could know about it a few weeks ago.
I won't explain again what i think about how the resolutions should be, in the same way that know that you won't never accept that your country is not acting correctly either
Bolloxs, Axel.
No negotiations with you,
No “rights” here for you,
No oil for you,
No hope for you.
You go your way & we'll go ours.
Ta ta, bye bye.
1. Sir John Hawkins - never a pirate.
2. Sir Francis Drake - never a pirate.
3. Sir Henry Morgan - questionable.
4. Jack Rackham - a pirate. Hanged by the British (1720).
5. Edward Teach (aka Blackbeard) - a pirate. Killed by the Royal Navy (1718).
6. Grace O'Malley - Irish. Not British (Died 1603).
7. Anne Bonny - pirate. Irish. Apparently died an American citizen in 1782.
8. Bartholomew Roberts - pirate. Killed by the Royal Navy (1722).
So. Not all pirates. And not all British. Historical accuracy not your strong point, is it?
@167 Never thought you'd listen/consider anyone's views except your own. Perhaps you could explain how your “dictatorship” rushed round everyone's homes and forced them all out onto the streets at gunpoint. Didn't, did they? YOUR ILLEGAL invasion and occupation of the Falkland Islands was supported by YOU, THE POPULATION, wasn't it? No question of right or wrong. Just “we were winning.” You are such a HYPOCRITE.
Are you capable of acting or thinking like an adult? Is it possible that you have an IQ higher than 5? Have you figured yet where to shove your “survey”? Have you even figured out what a moron you appear? Sorry. What a moron you ARE! Why don't you trot off and tell mummy that the nasty people on the internet have been nasty to you AGAIN?
thank you for your support.
Blaming us for not defending the Falklands with a much bigger garrison in 1982 - so the war is our fault...............
It's a bit like those rapists who use the “but she dressed provocatively” argument. It does'nt wash.
We all know that Notts ill conceived moronic cuts encouraged you to invade - thats why the Falklands looms large every time there is a govt review, and why we have a proper deterrent force in place now.
We also know that negotiating with you encouraged you to view us as weak, and easy to fool.
We are not going to make that mistake with you again.
That is why we will not negotiate with you.
Why talk to someone who is prepared to tear up all agreements in short order and who would view any engagement with you on soverignty as a display of weakness, to be exploited to the detrement of the islanders.
Where are your arguments to show that Argentina has a sound claim?
Where are the 2 years worth of research materials?
Put up some links so that we can all see the evidence and judge it on it's merits.
Argentinians call you pirates, perhaps because
i) Are you?;
ii) some of you were (check above list);
iii) England thrice invaded Buenos Ayres with no luck (I wouldn't mention here whose luck was the bad one) 1587 Tom Candish, 1806 Beresford, 1807 Whitelocke (Auchmuty in Montevideo). However, Buenos Ayres First Mayor (for 1 day) was Whitelocke who, back home had to suffer and pay for his errors. I happen to have the 1st edition of his trials;
iiii) you ransacked and captured 'in the name of the Crown' all islands in all oceans, including rocks big enough as to give a petrel where to rest;
v) you built a worldwide empire by simple use of both or either cannofire and gunboat diplomacy;
vi) Argentines do not know you enough and, may I add
vi) it is 'very British' to be a pirate...
Am I a mad Argie?
if I love pirates,
if I love England,
if I love Shakespeare and,
by the way, never forget,
there's method in madness...
the question however lies
on who says the truth
and who lies,
who rules the waves
and who waives the rules
While fairplay is respected
holding no aces in the sleeve
ready to be unfold
history can be dissected
and no grudges hold
from a to zee.
Cheers!
Okay call the British pirates.
I'll call the Argentinians genocidal murdering thieves.
There you go, happy now?
However, just what does any of this have to do with this news item?
The Falklands Government have offered to talk to Argentina, after all that's what your government wanted, isn't it?
And now your government is lying, saying that talks have been refused by the British.
How does it feel, Argie, to have a government that is do monumentally stupid, that it tells bare faced lies, when all the world can see that they are lying?
How does it feel to have a government that BEGS other countries for help?
Has Argentina no dignity?
Leprecons don't exist
and there's no fleeting gold
at the ends of a rainbow.
My wife is Irish
that's what she told...
The Argentina you know
or pretend to know
is not the Argentine that was.
Argentina's old
know this by heart.
Most are dying
for a comeback
but I don't
believe we'll see it again.
I'm sorry for the bennies
and what happened in that war
but it's Argentina's fate
to jump from the pan
to embers or lit coal.
'Nothing comes from nothing, nothing ever do...”
Have a good weekend!
169 Conqueror
I see what you mean
and you are right,
but it is mean,
'cause on 1,6,5
one never said English
Welsh, Irish, or what.
Just picked briton's glove
who for Brit pirates asked.
To set the record straight
there was nothing British
in those Tudor days
so what briton put forward
was viced from the start.
If he did it on purpose,
why are you called pirates
you may now understand...
Pirates of the past
were extremely brave men
sometimes society's scum
sometimes good others bad
always great mariners
from crib to grave
(perhaps in Neptune's arms)
lovers of their land
loyal to their crown
I respect old British heroes
no matter wherefrom they come
just as I respect England
and, of course, my own land.
Cheers!
9th July, 1813, was the day we declared independence from Spain.
Then we had to put order in our new country.
Unfortunately, we had Peron whose disciples rule our country every once and then, each time corrupting everyting around them and depleting the economy from its hard won treasures. We're in the middle of one now. This I say in order that you people change your minds into believing that what you is NOT what it is but a mock democracy ruled by mock red riding hoods. We have a long weekend now and I'll not be visiting these blogs until tuesday. Bless you!
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I dont deny the support that some people gave to the invasion of 1982, thats' why plaza de mayo was full, but let me ask you a question, the fact that plaza de mayo was full, does it represent the thought of most argentine people?, beside, when i see documentals about the war, i see planty of people celebrating in the english port also, when the ships parted from the u. k to the malvinas, however you never criticise that, you only argue about the support of our people who was celebrating in plaza de mayo, that shows how miopyc and hipocrite you are.
It's very easy to criticise the behaviour of our people in 1982, without making a deep analysis of that context. In 1982, arg. was a nation that was used to the coup d'etats, in fact between 1930 and 1983 just one democratic government could finish it's administration, the rest of the few democratic governments that we could have, were fallen by different coup d'etats. In 1982, people was very manipulated by the lies of the adict press that was functional to the regimen, and by the lies of the own dictatorship, in fact, i told you that galtieri had said the 2nd of april that we had recovered the sovereignty of the islands, without any rancour, which was absolutly false.
Beside, when some of you say that i wouldn't listen/consider anybody's views except mine, this is evident that you are describing your self, because you have never criticised absolutly anything from your side, you only criticise argentina and never recognized that the u. k is not acting correctly either. Allthough i support many of the decisions that c. f. k took regarding this dispute, i have always criticised also the fact that her government doesn't include the government from the islands to talk about sovereignty.
Regarding my investigation, i have always offered to send it to you by i mail, what just a few of you accepted it, i can send it to anyone.
this is evident that you are describing your self, because you have never criticised absolutly anything from your side,,,,,,,,,,,
one would suggest you put your glasses on and read .
l do not mind being called a pirate. lt has a certain raffish, independent air about it.
l guess from other Argentine's postings that its an insult in Spanish.
lts not an insult in English.
Your wife believes that the little people do not exist?
l couldn't say. l've never seen any, of course, but l lived in the Philippines for a few years & they have exactly the same folk tales as lreland.
l find that thought provoking as l don't think that there was ever any contact between the Philippines & lreland before at the earliest, the 16th century.
The beliefs in the Philippines go back, thousands of years.
l have met educated people, eg doctors etc, who claim to have seen the little people.
l havenot, but l keep an open mind on this.
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Some say that they have seen giants, l find this unbelievable though.
How could they hide?
It’s hard to call them a liar, and it’s even harder to prove it,
They do say, that yetis or the other names for it, have been seen in the North American wilderness and the andies, and the Himalayas,
Just what does one believe, until the day they either find one, or we all go to the giant in the sky .lol.
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Question
Does aliens really exist,
Answer,
If you was an alien looking down at earth right now, and looking at the slaughter , wars , bloodshed , devastation , the poor ,
Would you pop in to say hello.
That’s like the Falklands saying yes to CFK ,
It will never happen .?
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