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Chile sets out its defence strategy targets emphasizing global cooperation
The Chilean government released its new 2012-2024 National Defence and Security Strategy (ENSYD) this week which promises to address “new threats” to Chilean security in an international context. Read full article
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Jul 07th, 2012 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who is Chile 'afraid of' ?............... I can understand world UN peace-keeping contribution, trafficking and organised crime,
but is there a REAL defence need ... a real threat?
Nations/people from overseas?
Adjacent nations?
Its own people?
Each of these three needs a different strategy, with different procurements.
Is there evidence from the procurements in place and planned, as to which is/are the REAL defence threat(s)?
This is just one of the ways that we can look behind the words of politicians and their media mouthpieces, to see where the fears for their nation REALLY lay.
@1 i wonder if it has anything to do with Argentinas defence agreement with china that was recently announced. coincidental??
Jul 07th, 2012 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0could this be a new cold front where east meets west?
@1 A number of “options” are possible:
Jul 07th, 2012 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. argieland. Almost certainly has its (greedy) eyes still fixed on the remainder of Patagonia. Another step toward another invasion of the Falklands. And once Patagonia is completely argieland's, why not slurp up the rest of Chile?
2. Bolivia. Morales would love to see the argie forces moving up from the south. Ready for the “fraternal” assistance toward Bolivia's access to the Pacific.
3. Shortly before Bolivia's “annexation” by argieland. Given the argie forces moving up through “ex-Chile”, argie forces on the border and Brazilian forces approaching through “ex Paraguay”.
Will it be “peaceful”? Or can we watch them all killing each other? Even if it is “peaceful”, we can look forward to the rebellion of the “ordinary” people once they realise what Chavez, CFK and Rousseff intend. Serfdom!
That last episode of star wars really go to you, didn't it Conq? :)
Jul 07th, 2012 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 Conqueror (#) you really need to stop watching movies....
Jul 07th, 2012 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope chile use it to protect their own country and not to help NATO...because Southamerica is the only pace place in the world, and we dont want terrorist on here
”3 Conqueror (#) you really need to stop watching movies....”
Jul 07th, 2012 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And stop playing video games.
Geoff,
Jul 07th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile isn’t particularly afraid of any conventional external threats, but still we can’t let our guard down so it is important to maintain our military superiority over our neighbours. What is more of a threat, is the risk that imported corruption from narco trafficking takes hold in Chile.
Conqueror,
I am sure that invasion of Chile is not in any RG plans and even if it were it would result in total failure.
In order to maintain stability in our neck of the woods the Chilean military has followed a doctrine of total military superiority over our three unreliable, untrustworthy neighbors. The armed forces, logistics and the supply train have been designed and trained to fight on all three fronts at the same time and to devastate the opposition.
Jul 08th, 2012 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0To achieve this the military have invested huge resources, outspending Argentina, Peru and Bolivia combined. The spending continues and the focus now is offensive as with the latest helicopter carrier and amphibious assault ship http://youtu.be/wpgB6a51ktA
Sadly this level of taxpayer money has to be spent as our neighbors CANNOT be trusted.
8 You sound like a very insecure person.
Jul 08th, 2012 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 09 Marcos Alejandro
Jul 08th, 2012 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Past experience has taught us this. We have lost millions of klm2 because we put our trust on our neighbors and the treaties we had signed (Patagonia) with them. Everyone in Chile now wants a strong modern defence force, only a very few in the extreme left oppose it.
8- you have good reasons do do just what you are doing.
Jul 08th, 2012 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0@10
Jul 08th, 2012 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hold on, you signed a TREATY, how is “losing” anyhing? When did Bolivia and Peru take any land from you. They never could.
Argentina is not interested in Chile anymore. If anything we are looking north to southern Bolivia.
Broken treaties have caused much hardship and pain for us. Bolivia unilaterally revoked a treaty which not only sent us to war but they had another SECRET treaty with Peru which brought them in on their side. With Argentina we lost over 1 million Klm2 of Patagonia because we had NO means to defend it, as our forces were maxed out in Peru. Not to mention the numerous other issues with Argentinians.
Jul 08th, 2012 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0The simplest way to avoid any future problems is to have a force that can clearly and quickly destroy the threat. Even if it costs a fortune it's worth it.
@13
Jul 08th, 2012 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps. But I'm not sure what other “numerous” issues you have in mind, they have all been resolved. Argentina did not break any treaties in the Patagonian matter, however, it just did what was par for the course back in the 19th century.
The USA used a weak period in Mexico's internal government to invent a non-existent military incursion by that country into the USA, in order to go to war with them. That's just how it was back then militarily, the strong prayed on the weak.
And still the case today though not as “in your face”. It is mainly economic.
We want Tarija in Bolivian now anyways. That's our next expansionist target.
When two countries claim the same land this can lead to conflict.
Jul 08th, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile and Argentina both claim the same land. In this case, the Antarctic sector. The Antarctic Treaty may be just a 'Piece of Paper'.
Just one reason for Chile to have a realistic defence policy.
Big new Chilean Andean gold deposits might be another.
Or Argentinian access to a year-round Pacific port ... Puerto Montt would be so much more convenient than Ushuaia for access to the east Pacific economies.
The Argentinian military is (currently) not a problem, but surrogate forces of Cuba (like in Angola), China (like in Vietnam), Russia (like in Korea), USA (like in Colombia), Italy (like in Ethiopia), etc, etc.
Reasons and justifications can be created for third-party powerful countries to give strength to a weaker bordering state.
Always wise to 'keep your guard up', but the trick is to avoid initiating a serious arms-race.
Only Brazil could possibly threaten Chile if joining in a fight against Chile. I suppose CFK could recruit forces from Venezula and Angola, but it would be a slaughter. Our air force is superior, our navy is perfectly balanced for defense and our army is considered the best in Latin America. Saying that, all we want is peace. Don't take that however as being passive...
Jul 08th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 016 Another insecure person, please go enjoy your “Ensure” drink in S.B. and stop writing non sense.
Jul 08th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Southern Bolivia doesn't pose a threat. We can move in any time even without a military.
Jul 08th, 2012 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 02 PirateLove et al:
Jul 08th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good question about recent Argentine defence minister visit to China. Chile might have noticed.
Chile's navy participated in the recent RIMPAC 2012 games (ships and dive team unlike Perú, Colombia and Britain contributing a single commander. Ecuador absent of course.
Like the Argentine-Brazil quest to project power through the South Atlantic (and confronting Britain), Chile's Pacific projection would triangulate with its Easter Island territory 3500kms from Chile and well-embedded in the Southern Pacific Ocean region. Chilean Navy seems to be clear that Easter Island and Juan Fernandez Islands are important, but in addition to peacekeeping - and to projecting Chilean foreign policy abroad.
Reference RIMPAC 2012 Participating Forced:
http://www.cpf.navy.mil/rimpac/2012/forces/
Nuestras Fuerzas, Escuadra Nacional:
http://www.cpf.navy.mil/rimpac/2012/forces/
The best defence is the attack, so if you want to be well defended you must have the powerful to do so.....specially if you have the kind of neighbors we have...and the experience have taught us that they aren´t reliables at all.....when they have evicted treaties and pacts from long ago and we have been robbed our Patagonia which was a Chilean territory at the moment of our independency (under the same consideration used by Argentina to claim over the Falklands Is.).....
Jul 09th, 2012 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0In 1978 we were storng theatened by Argentina when they evicted the HR Majetic Queen Elizabeth II announcie with her desition about the three Beagle Channel´Is. calling as “insanely nule” and because our Gvt. decided for the first time to oppose them firmly up to a mediator have to intervine we saved without a territory loss again...In that opportunity was just with courage more than weapons due our material inferiority but human preparation superiority of our armed forces.....Reconignized that, our country decided to become a powerful military force to never be threatened again by any country, neighbor or not....to give us the peaceful enviroment we deserve to became a developed country soon next years.....(and the first in LA).
Differently remaining LA country we have made public our defence policy so no one can adduce that they were´t warned of our intentions on defence matters....so be prevented from now on....
20 Sergito “The best defence is the attack, so if you want to be well defended you must have the powerful to do so.....specially if you have the kind of neighbors we have”
Jul 09th, 2012 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0One of your beloved neighbors gained independence for you, remember?
Pinocho is burning in hell, Videla and friends are rotting in jail, so nothing to worry about Sergio. I don't think the Kirchner's are planning to invade their cousins in Punta Arena.
As I wrote some time ago: The essence of Chilean military strategy is to maintain a defensive and offensive force sufficient to defeat the simultaneous attack from Peru, Bolivia and Argentina.
Jul 09th, 2012 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look at the Falklands: The well trained (less than a thousand total) British defense force, backed by 4 typhoon fighters and 1 destroyer can easily defeat Argentina in a defensive war.
Chile’s well-equipped forces using Leopard tanks, heavily armed frigates with our Scorpène and Thomson submarines as well as our F-16s insure that no one wants to mess with us.
Chile also has no desire to attack anyone either and only participates in UN peace keeping operations.
I guess, Sergio,
Jul 09th, 2012 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0that - rather than the Golan Heights - the Indian army model is appropriate - with the high-altitude defense lines in Kashmir.
Trouble is, the high border between AR & CH is thousands of Km long, only levelling-out in southern Patagonia. Perhaps it would be better to let AR do their Hannibal act, then destroy once the supply-lines become over-extended.
You guys need to seriously stop playing console games...
Jul 09th, 2012 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 I think you can see it too, can't you? No-one is likely to forget that the argie plans for the 80s included not only the Falklands, but Chile as well. We can discount the comments at 4, 5, 6 and 9. It is in their interest to play down any “interest” in Chile. @7 Really? The military don't throw plans away. They store them ready for the next time. You can bet that argieland has constantly updated plans for “recovering” the territory currently called Chile. The last one was called Operation Soberania, wasn't it? And ready to be used again after Operation Rosario.
Jul 09th, 2012 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 War of the Pacific 1879 to 1883. Chile was fighting Bolivia and Peru. Although Chile was winning, it needed to ensure that argieland didn't join with Bolivia and Peru. Thus the Boundary Treaty 1881.
@21 Would that be Jose de San Martin? Who assisted Bernardo O'Higgins. A fine Irish name. Might also mention the Scotsman, Lord Thomas Cochrane.
@23 Check out Operation Soberania. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Soberan%C3%ADa) Nowadays, expect the main forces to be the 2nd and 3rd Army Divisions together with the Rapid Deployment Force.
Again, we are going after Bolivia.
Jul 09th, 2012 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 024 Guzz,
Jul 09th, 2012 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problema is that every so often, guys who play console games get in to power. It is therefore sensible, productive and good for peace to be prepared for the worst.
TTT
What is Argentina’s interest in Bolivia?
Does Evo know about this?
Conqueror,
It is a moot point. Even if they wanted to invade Punta Arenas, they couldn’t. Their armed forces are dilapidated and antiquated.
He probably does, Tarija. Possibly the newest argentine province in the future.
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