Defence of Argentine sovereignty over Malvinas has become “a regional issue”
The Argentine ambassador in London Alicia Castro said that South America has reached such a degree of unity that it is possible to think “on the defence of Argentine sovereignty over the Malvinas in regional terms”.
Ms Castro said that “Jose de San Martin and Simon Bolivar conceived the well being of our peoples based on two correlated achievements: independence and unity. Once achieved the first from the Spanish empire, the concept of unity vanished”.
The ambassador’s speech was in commemoration of Argentina’s Independence Day, Monday July 9 during the annual reception at the embassy with over 600 guests including Argentines living in the UK, diplomats and members of the Foreign Office.
“Currently in South America things have changed: we celebrate together, and as our President Cristina Fernandez likes to say “we are celebrating a second independence”.
And more specifically issues such as “our defence of Argentine sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands is done in regional terms”. She added South America is increasingly aware of “the significance of territorial integrity, control over natural resources and sovereignty”
Ambassador Castro added that “the region is capable of recovering economic protagonism in a world in crisis, capable of sharing cultural values and above all capable of generating a constructive dialogue among all nations to promote a multi-polar world order”
In another passage of her speech the ambassador expressed “consternation at the rupture of democratic order” in Paraguay with the removal from office of former president Fernando Lugo and replacement by his former Vice president Federico Lugo.
The ambassador also celebrated the incorporation of Venezuela to Mercosur and recalled that in 2006 the Argentine congress approved the project promoting the admission of Venezuela. Ms Castro before London was ambassador in Venezuela and a close friend of President Hugo Chavez.
The ceremony in the embassy started with the national hymn and was followed by a display of tango by some of the Argentine residents in London.
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Oh OK ... what did I miss????
Anyone would think that her antics whenever she got invited anywhere else have left her with little choice but to (metaphorically only, I hope) piss in her own swimming pool.
I'm sure that eventually the UK will declare her Persona Non Grata as an act of mercy, just so she can have someone to talk to. Eventually...
It would help though if Argentina amended its constitution to read something like it would be an aspiration to have the Falklands instead of complete ownership, if such a thing happened the UK/FIs and Argentina may have a better and positive relationship, however if that was to happen then Cristina would look weak and no doubt be out of office, she will not do it.
Cristina's only answer to getting the Falklands is military action, as pointed out in earlier comments she will try something before the end of her Presidency in 2015.
So that is the scenario at the present moment.
As regards the Falklands the political status will always be decided by the FIs themselves.
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/flying-pigs/
Yes no British Government is ever going to negotiate, once the FIs vote, and it does not need any genius to work out what the result be, it can be said for certainty that Argentina has lost the Falklands forever. After the vote if Argentina still wants to press its “claim” diplomatically or militarily for the FI, it really will be going up against the world i.e the EU, NA, Brit Commonweath, UN etc. It only supporters will be Mr Chevez & Morales and maybe one other, that would be about it.
If Argentina had been nice to the FIs instead of some vindictive and nasty Bully, which may well work with Chile or Uruquay, the whole situation may have been different, you may have had FIs wanting to be Argentinian, that is not the case. Argentina has completely messed up in its attempt to get the FI, it has lost them forever.
Dear Alexei
It would be better if Uruquay and Argentina became West Falkland, ruled from Stanley by Her Brittanic Majesties Governor, I am not joking, both countries would be far more wealthier and better run, no joke at all.
BIG MACS TASTE GREAT, BIG MACS TASTE GREAT........
Right, we see that...
She, also, is a few kangaroos short in the top paddock!
images.wikia.com/tmnt/images/8/8a/Krang.jpg
If i lived there might start a campiagn to unify with chile simply for troll points :)
When are we going to call in a day diplomatically with these Argentine clowns?
Time for direct flights from Mount Pleasant to London Heathrow and the incorporation of The Falklands (self governing/devolved) into the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland.
It doesn't ever get any easier dealing with these irrational, over the top, hypersensitive types. But things will only get easier for the Islanders and the UK as improvements in transport technology make distance a lesser obstacle than ever before.
Do we really want to keep listening to this lot moaning and mouthing such dribble to whomever will listen? Lets cut Argentina off from us and leave them to their friends in Venezuala, China and Angola!
We didn't work to be one of the most successful countries in history to listen to this dribble from a backwater, backward, intellectually barren and economically uninteresting underachiever such as Argentina.
Its time Argentina was simply left to play with those on its own level: Venezuala, Cuba, Angola et al. Lets leave them to it while we get on with our own interests.
I have to tell you that Ambassador Castro had to come around to my home last week just as myself and Samantha were getting ready to go to bed. we let her in of course as she was in some distress, her face was awash with tears. Samantha was so concerned for her that she sat down with her and asked whatever was the matter, after giving her a couple of Scotch we at last got it out of what was wrong. Apparently the Argentine Embassy was putting on some kind of dinner celebration and Christina had told her that as Argentina had run out of money that she would have to pay for it herself. Well the poor woman was distraught to say the least!! can you believe it she had not been paid for over a year!!! and here was her President asking her to pay for this dinner out of her own pocket.
Well Samantha just had to say what I was thinking, David she said for goodness sake tell her that we British will pay for it and that she need not pay it back. So we did. Poor woman who would be an Argentine Ambassador.
Yes
Cut all ties off with Argentina, repatriate all their Killed in Action in the Falklands back to Argentina, there would be no need for Argentines to be on Falklands soil and break off diplomatic contacts. Also cut off all trade with Argentina. These measures would have no effect on the UK as I see it, to the point the UK does not have to have anything to do with Argentina.
”and the incorporation of The Falklands (self governing/devolved) into the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland.”
That would really put the Argies minds at rest...
;-)
Also a direct warning that the use of military action by Argentina its allies against the FI/UK Forces will result in surgical strikes against the military and infrastructures of Argentina and other countries involved.
Ambassador Alicia Castro abandoned all dignity for her position and her country´s standing when she ambushed Foreign Secretary Hague at a ceremony in Lancaster House, like some cheap paparazzi hunting for Tom Cruise.
This is precisely the sort of theatrical diplomacy one would expect from Venezuela or Iran, but not from Argentina.
I would like me pre departure drink of champagne please.
l have been saying the exact same thing for quite some time.
lf the Argentines want to act like spoilt children, let them get on with it, but not to us.
No contact with Argentina at all.
Let them stew in their own juices.
has mercopress run out of stories .
You have nothing against Argentina imposing a blockade on the Falklands?
With your morals, such actions are plausable...
Your in a dream world , you have no navy!!! which i am sure you do need to inforce a blockade. But bring it on ramp up the rhetoric and we will see some nice new naval assets ordered by Dave. Cant wait for our two new super carriers to pay a visit.
No navy needed for a trade embargo, nor for refusing ships docking in SA...
Before you continue down this path, I must say I do disagree with such measures. I'm merely enlightening you folks crying “blockade, embargo!!” at Argentina while you tell eachother not to buy Argentinian goods...
Do as you please, but stop crying about it.
You folks are protectionists and have no scruples whatsoever when it comes to impose your wills on other nations. Fair enough, but STOP CRYING! :)
The Falklands is small and isolated, which requires a large amount of imports to sustain a good standard of living on the islands. Argentina, in response that the Islanders wish to govern themselves democratically, want to cease and actively encourage other countries to cease and prevent all maritime and air traffic to the Falklands that provides a crucial lifeline to the islanders. Argentina hopes to push the islanders to brink of economic collapse to force the islanders into agreeing Argentine sovereignty.
Britain, in this hypothetical scenario would cease all trade with Argentina (which accounts to a small percentage of Argentina's total trade) in response to Argentina's belligerent claims and actions against the Islanders.
Can you now see the difference?
Of course I can see the difference, I wish no harm to the islanders.
But who draws the lines as to how far one may go? You guys?
You can't call for a boycot, and then cry when affected nation imposes a trade embargo on you.
The only thing we achieve is to reassure eachother what bunch of morons we all are.
Dont remember the task force requiring a trip ashore in SA back in 82.
only crying going on is laughter from the rest of the world at Argentinas bannana repuplic styleeee government. ;)
You cant call for a boycott and then cry (you new fav word) when affected nation imposes trade embargo
Who is calling for a Boycott ???? the UK government , the islanders??? no someone posted it on this forum you dope. But back in the real world Argentina is actively encouraging trade sanctions and restrictions on shipping.
Leave your shanty town and go and get some fresh air, and dont cry for meeeeeeeeee guuuuuz (meant to sound like elaine paige)
Only reason no effective trade embargo hasn't happened yet, if because the surrounding nations, Uruguay amongst them, will not have that to the islanders.
If you people should rally an effective boycott (cheers for spelling, yanqui), I can assure you you would loose some friends indeed...
hahaha
Do you read what you post? I seriously think your meds are not working well today or maybe too well not really sure.
Thus the current desperate Argentine campaign to enlist support of its neighbours by calling Argentina's colonialist and expansionist ambition to obtain lands hundreds of miles across the Atlantic (thousands of miles in the case of South Georgia) and even its ambition to possess regions of another continent (Antarctica) as an act of 'self defence' and a 'regional issue', pathetically insisting that the Falkland Islands belong, not to the people who live there, but to all the (Hispanic) people of the South American continent, thousands of miles away.
Much as I believe certain South American 'leaders' of Spanish descent share Malvinistas hatred for all things Gringo, I don't think (with the possible exception of the fat clown from Venezuela) they are likely to risk their relatively successful economies and shiny expensive military hardware and soldiers lives just to soothe wounded Malvinista pride. I suspect, therefor, that KFC & Co. will be trying to offer any incentives they can think of to get anybody who might be persuaded, to offer tangible support. Unfortunately though for Malvinistas, the cost of aggressive military action in support of Argentina is likely to cost any country stupid enough to offer it, much more than KFC can offer in compensation. The consequences of escalating this non-issue to involve other nations would also bring in Britain’s friends in NATO etc.
Of course you would loose friends amongst the people as well, but it is not them who takes the decisions...
hahaha
@18 Doesn't tango make you fart?
@24 Just as a matter of interest, Jose, starting from, let's say 1940, when has argieland had “gravitas and dignity”? Or honesty and intelligence? Its “maturity level” is that of the kindergarten. Anyone with an IQ greater than 30 and an ability to read KNOWS that argieland has no valid or legal claim to the Falkland Islands. Is the argie continuance of this matter still a case of “face”? Could they understand “We've been wrong. Sorry.” would get them a lot further?
@31 Actually, “Guzz” is from “pratland”.
@32 Poor “Guzzle”. Would you like to trade something that meets EU and/or US standards? You can keep the rest of your crap. What you don't seem to understand is a few salient matters;
1. Neither argieland nor uruguay has anything that can't be obtained elsewhere. Therefore you have NO clout.
2. The Falkland Islands are important to the Falkland Islanders and Britain. WE (Britain) will go a lot farther than you (LatAm) are capable of going.
3. If nothing else, you need to accept that Britain has been dealing with this sort of situation for somewhat longer than you lot have. You will NOT win! You can continue your untenable position for the next thousand years, and you still won't win. If nothing else, try reality!
easy do it
federal gestapo FBI listen to you --- not me.
49 The US will not join anyone pal. The US I neutral on this circus.
I am puzzled as to where the Ambassador,s Regional Solidarity is? After all even the last Royal Naval Vessel that came down this way on the Western side of the South Atlantic, in December stopped in both Brazil and Uruguay en route - and I think went to Chile as well later.
Special relationship pal, if Britian cannot be neutral when the USA gets pissy then neither should the USA be over Britians conflicts.
Like it would be hard to find Argentinians with Italian ancestry :) :) :)
Thats said, i am of the opinion that the FI/IM issue is a Peronist trick to divert the people of Argentina (mostly the Personists supporters who come from a low income, low education background) from internal issues which this government should be focossing on. i.e. high inflation, a slowing economy, devaluation of the Peso.
If CFK really does want to gain pocessions of the FI/IM then she is going about it in the wrong way. The correct way is to discuss issues of mutualy intrest (fishing, hydrocarbon exploration, trade etc etc) to establish a base of friendship and trust between herself and the Islanders. In this way (and it will take many years) their may be a avenue in which a deal on joint sovergnity could be done. However, the correct procedure is diplomacy and trust but threats and denying the rights of the Islanders to self dtermination. In addition, this base of trust and friendship would negate the islanders need to a milatry prescense and this could be withdrawn. If my country did not do this then it would harm its case.
Unfortuantly a war was fought in 1982 and this has elevated national fevour on both sides therefore there needs to be an acceptance of this event so that we can move forward in fostering good relations. I believe this makes it hard for there to be any sovernigity deal to be done until the war is outside of living memory.
Maybe joint sovernity is a possibility in the future with the future generations, the only way it can occur as quickly as CFK wants is with a war and I do not believe either nation or its people wishes the loss of life over this issue again., except for a limited number of trolls.
The first step is for both sides to agree to disagree on hisotry and place this in the past and move on to a positive future to the benifit of all
and you suffer from the oppressed fart syndrome, it travels backwards through your system to your head, and finally comes out as bullshit through your mouth. Some waste product has been shown to be expressed as typed mumbo-jumbo...
I still have a week or so left before I leave you for some time. Until then, I guess you'll have to put up with me replying your nonsense...
You never reply or debate with any posters that quote historical facts regarding the Falklands history and the rock solid british claim, as no doubt you know it to be true. Your job is to distract , divert, and disrupt the discussions, and you do a cracking job.
So I look forward to you changing your login name and appearing as another equally entertains troll
Superior intelligence? From a numpty?
You are full of shit and don't think you will be missed. Even greater nonsense in response to nonsense? Is that what you saying?
If I don't reply to some issues regarding the Falklands, it is because some of them are between Argentina and the islanders, not Uruguayans or Britons...
I agree with you on all subjects, the latter mainly because SA nations don't really need the aid nowadays, and Europe does...
How does British_ Kirchner manage to type Chavez in correct Spanish with proper punctuation marks over the letter 'a', not used in English?
How many Brits would know this?
He would also would have to have gone to a lot of trouble.
How many Brits would go to this trouble?
Nice logic F aren't B :)
Every person that is aware of the fact that Chávez spells his name with a tilde, must be a... what, F aren't B? Please educate me :)
Such punctuation marks are not used in English. I cannot believe any Brit would know that Chavez spells his name in this way or go to the trouble if they did in their postings. These marks are really only used in Spanish. Even Mercopress spelt his name in the English way.
Does he not claim to be a Brit as you claim to be from Uruguay?
So you mean no Brits whatsoever knows the purpose of the tilde and when to use it?
Aren't you projecting you ignorance on other people now?
So every Brit that knows more than you in a subject, is per definition not British, for the very same reasons?
You are talking shite again. For the reasons posted he would not use such a punctuation mark as Mercopress didn't. No Brit would, including me, who has known Spanish all my life.
He is a Cowardly Argentinian Troll and you are defending him.
what is [tilde]
thanks
Do you recognize the posting (BECAUSE IT IS YOURS)?
Where is the tilde?
In the time Chavez has left he will accomplish more than you lot together for the rest of your lives...
Briton you have to go onto the Chavez article. It is a punctuation mark over the letter 'a' only used really (there are so exceptions) in written Spanish.
@59 Poor “Guzzle”, very poor. How long. did it take you with the translator. What you don't understand is that Italians, Spaniards and argies ARE farts. Indubitably nothing more than slightly warm air.
@62 Permanently please. We can help.
@65 And let's not forget that you're a fart.
@67 Too right. You're beyond help.
@74 A British keyboard is not configured for gibberish.
“ express the hope that Chávez's life be ,
this from BK ,
i agree with you
The posting of British_Kirchnerist
#14 “Why then did you openly express the hope that Chávez's life be 'immediately' terminated in the post above?”
Exactly. Answer that question, unless there isn't a good reason and you'd like to retract your “hope”?
I think that some writers have concluded that he is not a Brit. I personally think it is pretty certain. If you look at some of his postings he has not used this mark when typing Chavez, so it seems he has slipped up. Using an English keyboard could you recreate this 'tilde' as Conqueror points out?
Guzz is Argentinian (claims Uruguay) and even he didn't use this punctuation mark. BK, for certain, is a 'piss taking troll' as Guzz.
Yesterday we had had Car on. For certain another one.
one things for sure,
trying to goad the brits, just aint working .lol
Would you advice some paid jobs to this abject people.!
in SA ?..why not.
When you see purportedly Brits being so hostile to a British position and repeatedly posting with the same arguments as the Argys, you have to suspicious, don't you think?
A Brit just wouldn't be so disloyal, the might have sympathy, but they would stay out of it.
Car was cute, His approach was to look to play on our natural born sympathies for the underdog. You know the 'poor' Argy.
Though it funny when he said something like 'you are a bad man'.
There are very few instances when a Brit would make such a statement. An Aussie would say something like 'you pommi cunt'.
I have also read the same phrase said by a number of Argentinian posters.
See Guzz has now fcuked off.
McClick
has appeared.
coincidentle perhaps .
I don't think I have read McClick before. Possible because he seems weird or maybe that he just writes shite and I have ignored it.
McClicks been arround a little bit, turns up, throws mud, and sits back .
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89 Pugol-H
you may be right, one or two have mentioned BK is a woman .
Whatever happened to Hermes1967, he was the only RG that you could actually reason with on these forums?
He might be in between. Seems there are a lot of these in Argentina. Just changed the law to accommodate them.
he has proberbly gone for re-charging .lol.
TTT is around,
Axel, the man who spends years, investigating thins, and of course, Think,,
and foggetty.
all on the losing side lol.
Took your time to come up with this one Solomon or should it be Pharaoh's daughter?
Your game is up.
Did you write about an hour ago?
71
Nice logic F aren't B :)
Every person that is aware of the fact that Chávez spells his name with a tilde, must be a... what, F aren't B? Please educate me :)
YOU ARE CLUTCHING AT STRAW TROLL
Falklands are NOT Argentinian
HAHA
CFK is probably trading it off, to a great Mercosur r Empire .
lol
sparrows in the falklands,
ravens in the UK ,
and chickens in argentina,
and the point was what .
Are they not looking to undermine true Brits?
Isn't purportedly Aussie or Uruguayan independent (better still with a bit of British blood)?
Mylady Elaine, at times, these threads makes me wish I was Argentine, if only to shut some peoples mouths (fingertips?) in here. But I'm not, and I'm not saying sorry for it...
Sad thing that your major arguments for your sake is “You are not who you say you are, you are Argentinian.” I say sad because some of you actually have the wits to uphold a normal conversation...
Ambassadorass Trolly Dolly Quote: “...the region is capable of recovering economic protagonism in a world in crisis, capable of sharing cultural values and above all capable of generating a constructive dialogue among all nations to promote a multi-polar world order...” Orwell after drinking a cheap case of Malbec, could not have wrote anything better...
Lets bring a little bit of twisted logic into it (forget the facts). Better still if we can engage someone else. TROLL
My question has been answered to an extent at 107 but I would still respect more the opinion of a true Kirchnerite living in Argentina, working for the cause and putting their case forward. I doubt I would agree with their politics but I would certainly be interested to hear them.
Seems you have worked out 'GUZZ' of C.A.T
I have to agree that they all seem to wish to be poets with rambling disassociated lines. As with some of the posters here there is no plain English and you often wonder on their meanings.
They are called accents in English, punctuation marks are quite different………
FAB is quite correct, they do not exist in English and if you could set it on the keyboard no Anglo would bother.
Similarly with the way the English is constructed and the expressions are used (especialy when wound up), are consistent with someone trying (badly) to fit a profile and definitely not consistent with who they purport to be.
BTW does this mean El Carro is not an Abo Killer decendant, but in fact Indian slaughterer decended.
I can not give you the opinion of a Kirchnerite, I can merely give you the opinion of a single Tupamaro, Olimareño and Latin American.
Quite strange you have a name for something that doesn't exist. Talking about bothering :)
Although you are splitting hairs, they are punctuation marks known as grave accent.
You have shown yourself for what you are in the past. Instead of ignoring my posting as you were doing and rather than jump to the defense of yourself, with my earlier postings, which were ignored it took you less than 4 mins. to jump to the defense of BK (read and write). Look at what you wrote and earlier postings. ARGENTINIAN TROLL.
Are you talking to me??? I'm Uruguayan...
I might have said you can call me what you want, never said I would respond to it...
But you did TROLL in the defense of another Argentinian Troll.
Does that unity extend to Paraguay?
South American Unity=Bolivia wanting land from Chile backed by Argentina.
South American unity=Argentinaadding more trade tarriffs.
OK, its unity, but not as we know it Jim.
The UK could single handedly take on the entire SA continents military not that it would need to since it could invoke a over whelming response against any aggression by a SA country from its allies.
Really no SA country or countries are going to be silly enough to engage in warfare with the British so its all rather academic.
This is only really something that could happen in the wet dreams of Argentinian fantasists but it doesn't have any place in reality.
What would be more a realistic scenario is that Argentina does something silly and gets its unit(s) obliterated by UK forces and then it cries to other SA countries who make strong statements backed up with zero action when the British ignore them.
if it suceeded, jump in and claim a victory,
if it failed, stand up and say, it had nothing to do with us, we are a peacefull nation .
And if we choose to expel this pest, they will only send another simpleton who couldn't tell the truth if their life depended on it.
Entertain this woman.
.
Yes, but with good reason, their purpose is to denote pronunciation not punctuation.
You notice these things when wishing a happy new year in Spanish from an English keyboard.
Respect the sovereignty of the Falkand Islands people and everything falls into place for obvious benefits to Argentina:
1. Link to FI and Britain really brings EU benefits 14K kms CLOSER to Argentina.
2. Work with Britain on anti-corruption efforts and Britain's more-clean Corruption Perception Index standing could help improve Argentina's not-clean CPI status.
3. Regional cruise ship tourism that links Falklands-South Georgia-Antarctica, to Buenos Aires.
And so on! Argentina - get with the program, eh! Argentina can benefit much more by respecting sovereignty and entrepreneurship of Falkland Islands people than trying to downgrade the Islands to your current standards and structures.
If Argentina can't understand that, maybe Chile or Paraguay might help you to see the benefits.
Reference:
Corruption Perception Index 2011:cpi.transparency.org/cpi2011/results/
1. What? EU comes with benefits? They must be sending them all to the Falklands, because Europe is getting none of it :)
2. CPI is just that, a Perception Index. Meaning while the Argentines are aware of their corruption, your bankers can fill the pockets while you read about it on Mercopress :)
3. With all due respect to the islanders, their humble population is not near enough to make any form for impact on any SA economy.
I have a better solution for you. Give the islanders independancy.
1. EU benefits Falkland Islanders directly with educational and business benefits, as well as access to market networks.
2. No doubt Argentines well-aware of their low CPI (but so far better than Venezuela, Paraguay, Ecuador). Would Argentines feel better looking to Chile as a as CPI mentor (highest South American at 7/10 standing) or with Britain?
3. Not that the Falkland Islands have a significant economic impact directly on Argentina, but that their evolution to independence and sovereignty shows what can be done and could allow Falkland Islands' influence on South America to “punch above its weight”.
If Argentina could look to the Islands as geographically proximate, but appreciate its different legal, economic, and social systems, it might provide a useful beacon for those Argentines seeking to build progressive governance in Argentina.
Obviously Falkland Islands ARE a small community, but their natural resources of fish and oil would be of more benefit to Argentina if ownership and control remain vested in Falkland Islanders hands - but freely traded with Argentina. If Argentina were to renew fish conservation research cooperation with Falkland Islands, it would fit in well with emerging fish conservation agreements with Uruguay, etc.
Indeed, the Falkland Islands community is building its own independence and sovereignty, both autonomously and within the British and EU spheres. Now the real “icing on the cake” is to understand Falkland Islands sovereignty and independence as a linking between Europe and South America.
Its really all about mutual cooperation for mutual benefit. Win-win!
Mr Guzz take note of the following -
A thought on this Argentinian President and no doubt some of those who will succeed her.
It will not happen, but should this President or any other future President of Argentina get the Falklands for Argentina he/she will go down in history as the greatest Argentinian that ever lived. One they got the Falklands and two humiliated the United Kingdom (a major power) into the bargain. They will also have regained Argentina’s honour after being utterly humiliated in the 1982 war.
I am of the opinion that most of the contents of the above paragraph are what is in Cristina’s mind, she has delusions of grandeur, and again the only people who are going to suffer out of this will be the Argentinian.
Those threats seem to be working well :-)
Yes they're all* running scared*
Argentine bloggers, where are all these Argentine Lawsuits against these oil companies supporting the Falkland islands oil industry?
Everybody investing in the industry were suppossed to be in TERRIBLE trouble.
I'm waiting patiently to hear about these, in your own time.....
Yup, the Argentines have realised that they have no jurisdiction over anybody in international waters, and of course, in the waters belonging to someone else.
Maybe CFK will cheer herself up by stealing another foreign owned company, but the fallout from the last one she stole is now being felt as they are unable to get foreign investors to invest in YPF. So all that gas and oil reminds in the ground. Even the Chinese wouldn't touch YPF with a barge pole.
And no matter how they cry and whine, the Falklands remain a British Overseas Territory, and the other countries in the region don't actually give a flying feck about Argentina's colonial ambitions.
And when the oil and gas start flowing from the Falklands, I suspect a lot of these South American countries will be happy to buy it. But even if they don't the USA, the EU, India, China and probably a dozen more countries will be more than happy to pay for Falklands gas and oil.
Yes the future for the Falkland Islanders looks to be very prosperous indeed.
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/105945/argentina-venezuela-to-sign-military-agreement
Did you hear about the new “militant” movement that Kirchners are starting that will make “La Cámpora” look like a group of kids in nursery school? It's called “Vatayon”, it's a Kirchner backed group that goes into the prisons of Argentina to recruit supporters for their political movement. This is frightening!
www.facebook.com/#!/vatayonmilitante
We all believe you. The whole paragraph or just the name?
The other times you cut and pasted his name (many times) were English. Did you change your source?
Chavez is a difficult name to remember (6 letters) and I can understand why you had to copy. Was it a Spanish website?
Well said
I think they are cowardly scumbags. Guzz & Car fits the bill also.
1/6 of the residents of Buernos Aires live in slums, further proof that the falklands is a whipping boy and a distraction for poor government. Castro and cohorts are seeking to make the falklands a whipping boy for the whole of latin america.
The Islanders will have independence. When we can believe that you and the Hag will leave them alone.
I would never deny the islanders oranges or any fruit wes grow in SA. If you ask me, fruit and vegetables that are not sold, should be given away, and I don't care how this would affect the market...
Keep using the Falkkanders and the Argentinians as an excuse to militarize my back yard, I don't buy your crap...
i doubt very much, if you could fit one tank in your back yard.
unless you have a very big back yard.
Thought you might have re-register as an Angolan, or similar, by now.
You've got a lot of bottle.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moore-Brabazon,_1st_Baron_Brabazon_of_Tara
;)
Oh I forgot Mr amenable, reasonable, logical troll. 'My dear', 'Sir'' 'Madam', 'Mr'
Err could you move your weapons of mass destruction away from my, no no I mean my neighbours backyard, Please.
(Please, please just leave them defenseless).
Where is your boyfriend Troll?
A couple of postings this afternoon, some BA slum dwelling bullshit and then away?
If you live in Uraguay and the Falkland Islands must be about 1000 miles away from you, how can UK defences be in your back yard?
Perhaps I have my geography wrong. You see I thought the Falklands were 300-400 miles away from Patagonia. That's a long way from Patagonia, never mind Uraguay.
Do the UK have a secret base in Uraguay?
Thought you would respond to the call AND YOU DID.
Need a more convincing argument than this TROLL.
So think again Argentina and wake up from your dream. The Malvinas do not exist, they were never taken from you. However, Argentina, the land you sit on was taken, it was taken from the natives, much of it was also was annexed from your neighbours Paraguay, Uruguay, Bolivia, Chile.
Continue to make an ass of yourself Argies. You are good at it. Wrap yourselves up in the flag God knows the economy and goo governance never made a nation! It's the Malvinas stupidos!
I am a Uruguayan, in Uruguay, in contact with my fellow-Uruguayans. I assure you that we are very worried about (and angry with) the Argentines, for a number of very valid reasons. We are not the slightest bit worried about the UK or the FI: they've never caused us trouble. Quite to the contrary, the UK helped Uruguay become an independent country and we look on the British as friends.
More military cut backs coming to Britain, your time is over UK let go or die trying to keep what's NOT yours!
end of WW2 (yes, that major battle in history that you cowardly fcuks shy'ed away from) we cut back our forces by well over a million, and we are still a major player, unlike your pitiful country.
Speaking of the underground, how is your rail system these days? i'm expecting another major crash in the not too distant future.
Well its CERTAINLY NOT YOURS.
Argentine idiot.
Don't speak for Uruguay, clearly a majority of our fellow countrymen, voted for a whole different set of views than those you are presenting...
Argentina is our sister nation, a fact you appreciate when you have a look at Uruguays position on the matters for the past decade.
Britain is our friend, yes, but not unconditionally. Sister nations are higher in rank than friendly nations.
You shouldn't speak for Uruguay either.
Argentina has constantly tried to bully and intimidate (your?) country, and you blindly support them in everything they say or do.
I think I'll call you 'twinkle toes' from now on, because you are so far up Cristina's backside, all we can see are your toenails.
Argentina has NEVER been a 'sister' nation to Uruguay. All Agentina has done, and continues to do is marginalise you, cheat you and when you stand up for yourselves they pull out the we're brother/sister nations. It's all bollocks and they laugh at people like you, twinkle toes, for being gullible enough to buy it.
Argentina wants a United States of South America ruled fom Benos Aires, because they truly believe that they are BETTER than any other nation in South America. And because they're better than you, you should all bow down and worship them.
This military pact between Argentina and Venezula must be worrying your government, twinkle toes. After all you have a dictator and a de facto dictator joining forces. Both need a 'win' to establish popular control. They can't take the Falklands as they are too well defended, but Paraguay and Uruguay could be on their radar to be 'liberated' from the forces of democracy.
Tell me, twinkle toes, if Argentina and Venezula invade your country will you fight against them or be cheering for them?
l'd like to know too.
Chile supports Argentinas sovereignty claim on the Falklands and Argentina supports Bolivia's wish to land grab off Chile.
Argentina couldn't give a monkeys about Uraguay.
Argentina may be your sister, but she's never going to get plates of meat like that in the glass slipper.
Sorry Guzz, ynsere is correct. I have quite a few Uruguayo friends now and NONE of them are happy with Argentina and some of them are quite frightened at the agressive rantings coming from the so called government across the Plate.
Also, they are very unhappy with the stance taken by Pepe and the Uruguayo Ambassador to Argentina in sucking up to The Mad Bitch Of Argentina.
The only people benefitting from this present stance are the Argies, certainly NOT Uruguay.
Yes Sukhoi does beat Harrier - but that's because Harrier is in pieces and being used as spares for the USMC, having been retired from service.............muppet.
You don't have of the various Sukhoi types anyway..........................
At the moment Typhoon can easily kill any of the inventory in the FAA or AA.
I hope that wiped the silly smirk of your face. Do your homework before you post nonsense.
or are you another boxer,
answer the question.
“they invented the Tango” Wrong!
Uruguay 'invented' the Tango and the guy who did then moved to Argentina.
And, like everything else the Argies envy, they 'stole' it.
Wait for the cries and shouts of 'liar', et al.
Tangoed lol.
.
Have they ever done ANYTHING constructive by theirselves?
Nobody can deny the influence, especially Buenos Aires, has had on the Tango we know today.
As Uruguayan, Tango is just as mine as its mother, la Milonga :)
www.lanacion.com.ar/1489623-malvinas-un-relato-inconcluso
Does this mean because the Falkland Islanders have lots of vegetable patches that the case for sovereignty is settled in their favour?
And is the fact they can grow bigger swedes than in the UK a decisive factor?
Also according to CFK, migrating birds are a major legal factor in deciding sovereignty so are the flights of Cattle Egrets, from SA to the Falklands and back, proof of Argentine sovereignty over the Falklands or do the Falkland Islands have a claim on Argentina from where the cattle Egrets originate from?
Wonder what the next CFK theory of Sovereignty will be at C24 next year?
The theory of driftwood on Falklands beaches?
Does the migration of LAN Chile flights prove Chilean sovereignty or is the migration of RAF flights in favour of UK sovereignty?
Or as the fish in Falkland rivers have mouths that are alarmingly similar to CFKs, does this prove Argentine sovereignty?
Anybody else got other really stupid theories that CFK will invent for next year because these are stupid, but as such amazingly likely that Argentina will progress them as serious reasons for claiming the Falklands.
www.economist.com/node/21558609
Canada Geese fly as far south as Argentina, hmmm, I wonder if that is enough to petition the U.N. for annexation?
“Have they ever done ANYTHING constructive by theirselves?”
Sorry for the delay but I have been seriously contemplating this very deep question that you pose.
After a nanoseconds thought I have the answer: NO!
LOL, :o)
I'm NOT from Argentina, I'm an Aussie who knows write from wrong. And Argentina is right to claim the Falklands. It is not only as basic as geography, but also its history.
@175 As to Argentina not haveing Sukhois. I know that, I was using my “crystal ball” to warn you that Argentina was going to involve Venezuela and low and behold the agreement is now signed.....Venezuela has many Sukhois.
Anything else you ladies want to know, just ask.
Looking foreward to you “dialectical” response...LMAO.
You know “write from wrong”!!!???
Why do you people insist on embarrassing yourselves?
Reference:
CARLOS MARX CONTRA EL LIBERTADOR SIMÓN BOLIVAR:
perso.wanadoo.es/prensanacional/marx_contra_bolivar.htm
As I have stated in other threads, Simón Bolivar was a thorough going conservative whose pattern for South American unity was the USA.
It amazes me that Chávez, CFK, Evito, Correa, etc. have this great liberator as their patron saint!!!!
Having an agreement between Venezuala (chubby chavez land) and Argentina is one thing. Actual military cooperation and support in a conflict is another.
If you want to look ahead the meteor missile due to be fitted on the Typhoon outranges anything on the Su27.
At the end of the day the Su27 is flown by Venezualan airforce pilots and the RAF by British piliots. I can guess who is the better trained and capable of getting the best out of their machines, and it's not the Venezualans - nowhere near the same flying hours as their RAF countrparts..............
Not another fake Aussie.
Haven't your Argentines got any imagination?
OK, Aussie(!), why do you think that the Falklands belong to Argentina?
Do NOT mention,
1) Proximity(been answered).
2) So-called ”eviction of THRIVING Argentine population(ha ha)proved to be a lie.
3) ln the “Argentine Sea”. not true, its the South Atlantic Ocean & Argentina does NOT own said ocean.
4) On “Argentina's Continental Platform”, what a giggle. So is Chile.
5) Because Argentina is a poor country.(their own fault, in 1900 they had the highest standard of living in the world).
6) Because they want the Falklands, toughski mate, its not theirs.
Please enter acceptable facts, Thank you Boxer.
And these SU 30s, they're going to be able to reach the Falklands from Venuezuela?
If they are based on Argentine airfields, then there is nothing wrong in reciprocally basing NATO aircraft on the Falkland Islands is there?
Do you realise that SU30s are not V/STOL aircraft and as such, they are going to find it difficult to return to Argentina /Venuezua /(wherever) after a strike if there is no runway to land on when they return?
“I'm an Aussie who knows write from wrong”
If you actually check the history you will discover that the Argentine claim to the Falklands is void macho posturing to cover up their inability to run their own country.
The Argentines lied about history to the UN in the 1960s to get the resolutions that were passed.
The accompanying history to the Argentines claims has been disclosed on these posts many,many, many ,many times to counter all of the Argentine's hashed, poorly researched arguments.
But I'll churn them out again for your benefit, Mr I-know-right-from-wrong-without-having-researched-my -subject-at all.
“It is not only as basic as geography”
What basis of geography allows the Argentines to claim the Falklands?
And before you say proximity, stupid; a Gypsies Warning. You'll have to reply to the tirade of evidence I and other posters will display that will rip this basic 'assumption' to shreds, but you are welcome to reply and be taken apart like the other 'Malvanistas' that have tried and failed.
“but also its history”
OK, digger, state this history, but be prepared to evidence it and get ripped to theoretical shreds like many Malvinistas have before on these posts.
If you know right from wrong, then you will able to explain precisely why the UN Charter granting Self-determination to everyone does not apply to the Falkland Islanders. Because as far as my opinion is concerned, if you do not accept the UN Charter as a foundation of principle that underscores UN policy then you haven't a clue what right or wrong is.
I would like to take this opportunity to assure Her Excellency Alicia Castro that her perception of Argentine sovereignty of the FALKLANDS/MALVINAS “being a regional issue” is a “pipe dream”. Latin Americans here in the UK, including many Argentinians, do not appear to share her “utopian” view; indeed, it is very rare to hear opinions on the matter from Latin Americans resident in the UK. If Argentina is ever mentioned it is usually to express sympathy with the Argentine nation because of their errant leaders, especially CFK and Sr Timerman - the phrase one usually hears “¡pobrecitos los argentinos con semejantes líderes!” (Those unfortunate Argentines with leaders like they have!)
When will she ever learn?
”when Argentina finally works out that it will not get the Falklands it will turn on Chile (or Uruquay)”
I feel sure that the Argentine military intelligence knows more about Chilean military capacity than I do, and thus we will more likely see a military coup in Argentina before any attack on those tough little buggers. The military won't risk that the Mendoza province is returned to Chile (which it once belonged to).
- but Uruguay - not absolutely impossible.
A) You just did reply so nothing has been deleted.
B) was the lack of anything in your last post an admission that you have no real arguments of any substance to back your claims?
We await your historical arguments for justifying the hostile foreign occupation of a peaceful British community with baited breath.
“what is [tilde]”
This is a tilde '~' and I find it utterly strange that Guzz claims to be an Uruguayan and yet doesn't know that the thingummijig over the a in Chávez is 'un acento' (French: 'accent aigu') and NOT a tilde.
I suspected that if I tried a (much) shorter message it might get through. But it still required some lost soul to respond.
Now despite all my long lost messages! To anyone who is doubting my Aussieness check this out mate!
en.mercopress.com/2012/06/19/chavez-comfortably-ahead-of-opposition-candidate-capriles-show-opinion-polls
Now I hardly think some “Argie troll” would bother to enter that and lay
in wait for your current posts.
However to futher my argument @161 it was my 40th birthday on Friday and I went on a 3 day piss-up. Now responding to my backlog of e-mail 1st thing on Monday may not have been the RIGHT thing to do, but the fact that I was 1/2 pissed while giving my 1/2 arsed responses suerly is 100% Aussie. I challenge you to prove otherwise. In fact any of you come up with an “Aussieness test” and so long as it is Aussie I will pass...100%.
In fact we run one of the world's best economies 1/2 pissed (let me check my crystal ball), but trouble coming!
Proven my Aussiness, too pissed to chat, see you in the morning 196 and your UN...LMAO!! get ready lad
Puerto Argentino Islas Malvinas 2025... if the bastards got their way: www.distintaslatitudes.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/VillasBA2.jpg
In Spanish, tilde can mean both accent mark and the ~ of ñ
Well you're proving that you are a bogan, but have offered no explanation why you believe that the Falklands belong to Argentina.
We have had a few fake Australians on here just lately, thats why l questioned your nationality.
e.g.
1) aussie sunshine(l call him argentine sunshine)
2) car(then later said he was a Brit living in Australia)
3) john jones(it is possible that he was genuine)
& some others who have now slipped into history.
l will be interested to know what you base your assumtions on. Do tell.
I believe the big difference is that the Chileans would easily throw the Argentines back, where as the Uruguayans wouldn't be able to do so and would have to resort to guerilla warfare similar to that planned by Britain for the event of a German invasion during WW2. Since the 19th century Uruguay has maintained independence by playing off Brazil and Argentina against each other. However, it is to be feared that Uruguayan President Mujica's acquiescence regarding Argentine and Brazilian interference in Paraguayan matters will have 2 effects: 1) the end of Mercosur, and more importantly, 2) similar joint Argentine and Brazilian interference in Uruguayan matters. A worst case scenario might be similar to that of Poland carved up between Germany and the USSR in 1939. However, Uruguayan Vice-President Astori and even foreign minister Alamada seem to be showing more spine than Mujica.
I was 42 last week. There may have been beer involved as well.......
But I still don't get why you support Argentina on this issue - they have less right to the Falklands than the Chinese have a right to control all of the South China sea.................
“no problems coming” Ummm?
1) What about the massive property bubble?
2) Selling the family silver to the Chin is great when it's great but now the Chin's are down, it may not be any more; :o)
3) Undercapitalised banks. The financial rumour is it's just as bad as the Eurozone (for similar reasons) and don't forget the mortgage drag due to 1);
4) A LABOUR GOVERNMENT! What more problems are there?
I was going to take advantage of the Self-funded Retirees Scheme and live in Kadina, SA. You needed AUS$1 Million to start plus living and health indemnity. No problem until the cnut Brown managed to cut my lifelong savings by 50% in various attacks.
However, Montevideo is on the 39th parallel and apart from having to learn to speak Espanol I think we have a better future by far here in Uruguay.
There is of course the threat to us from your mates the bastard Argies (the Malvanistas that is) but I think that is overblown given their preponderance to shout, cry, threat and wail but do nothing. Just like the cowards thay they are.
I looked it up and you are right, but during my more than 20 years experience with Latin America I have only this once “heard” anyone call the accent a tilde.
BTW you probably know that the tilde over the ñ is a 'j' in nj - lazy scribes invented it in the middle ages :-D
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%91
I live in Peru, I have heard 'tilde' used more than once, though not as often as 'acento'. I have never heard 'tilde' used for the diacritic over the 'n' because 'ñ' is a letter in its own right, unlike vowels marked with the acute accent or the 'ü'.
So I will do this incrementally.
@212 You know me too well already. However I have done my time in “the system” and have an early “tree change” semi-retierment, and yes I am thinking of openeing a micro brewery!!
@ 209 I said “but problems coming”. What do you think I'm an idiot or something? Or that my crystal ball is broken? Mate, don't let your anger cause you to get it so wrong.
To everyone. I offer nothing new to support Argentina's claim to the Falklands, but I do not find a bunch of right wingers sitting around agreeing on the issue proof that the argument has been “torn to sherds”.
It's here 196 that I would love to have a go at you reliance on the UN/self-determination. Might I just mention, in passing., the Chagos Islands. Then turn to the meatier issue of Kuwait. Now “the mothership” (Britain) anexed “Kuwait” from Iraq in 1921, yet this was not acknowledged by Iraq when you invaded in 1991 and while it had been (forced on Sadam) by 2002, but this action was not sanctioned by the UN....Pig's arse you believe in the UN mate.
Oh and @208 thatnks for the b'day wishes...right back at ya mate.
Iraq invaded kuwait in 1990. Saddam started 2 major wars in the area and his regime was guilty of 2 different sets of genocide.
We should have finished him in 1991- 2003 was too late, people are fickle and have short memories, particularly those who called for “something must be done to save the Kurds and marsh arabs”.
The Chagos islands have been done to death here - I think that most of the Brits here agree that that it was'nt a brilliant part of our history. But the shabby treatment of the chagosians can't be used to justify Argentina's desire to put it's jackboot on the throats of the Falklanders. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
The other problems you are thinking about - doubtlessly Iraq and Afghanistan - also can't be used as justification for Argentine occupation of the Falklands. How do they relate to it? How do they advance Argentinas claim, other than allowing you to say that “because I don't like Britain I think you should give sell out the Falklanders and let them live under foreign occupation?”
The Argentine claim to the Falklands is'nt on particularly firm ground - have a look at the history of the islands before you go spouting off about the UKs foreign policy being a justification for letting a country with a penchant for land - grabbing and lying on the world stage gettings its hands on 3000 of our people. A people who have lived peacefully on the islands longer than most Argentines can claim in terms of generations.
Yes mate, why do you think Argentina has a valid “claim” to our homes?
1) Pommybashing is not a valid reason.
2) What the UK has or has not done in the world is not a valid reason.
3) What happened in the lndian Ocean is not a valid reason.
4) In fact there are NO valid reasonings in Argentina's ridiculous “claims”.
And if you STILL believe Argentina's lies & STILL think that we should just roll over & have our bellies tickled, then please tell me why Argentina really owns South Georgia & British Antarctica(like they say they do!).
No one else seems to know, least of all the deluded Argentines.
Waiting for your prompt, unfuddled reply.
I do however believe empire should defend itself on every front and while doing so will go down like a “bag of shit!”
I'm sooooooooo Impressed that Argie Land and Chavez have already agreed on “everything” ...this happened well before my “crystal ball” saw it,,,,have you seen what's coming next????
This is what causes me to unfuddledly have a great retierment....can you not see it yet????
Hint #1 do you think every item listed on what Venezuela has recieved from Russia is “what has been delivered”...I mean really.
Only problem is “my crystal ball simply increased the fuddling”...that's how they work....there is a dark “crack” though, but it doesn't favour you!
I think I have you now 'mate'.
You are either a retired box maker or you have a boxer dog. Oh, hang on! Could it be with all the pent up agression you USED to box?
Yes, that will be it. Pommie basher as well eh? Only met two of your sort when I was in South Australia, but enough to being going on with.
We certainly don't want another so far from home. So piss off, 'mate'.
I'm not gonna hit anyone...boxer is lifted from george orwel's book Animal Farm. The one where the (obedient) Leninist horse “ boxer” gets worked to death by the f'n Stalinist pigs.
I'm a socialist who wants socialism, but fears it's history.......however you've just deminished capitailsim's prospects!!!
Thank you for the compliment in the final sentence, I only wish I had power like that.
Now I KNOW you are not an Aussie. Deep thinking eh! Just so happens I have given a very nice leather bound copy of Animal Farm, one of my favourite books to our Spanish teacher - she is thrilled to bits.
Sorry, but I am a capitalist and you are quite right to fear socialism: you might end up like the deluded commie Scott, our very own queen (Cristina that is) lover, British_Kirchnerist.
I sussed you as a more extreme left winger when you used the word empire to describe the UK. What empire - a few small islands, hardly a world bestriding military colussus threatening the freeedom of the world are we...............
Just because the Argentinians have a socailist govt- does'nt make them automatically right on this or any other issue - I give you N Korea, the PRC and USSR as examples of other socialist states that did or still do pretty diabolical things.
Well l take it that you do not support Argentina's spurious “claims” then.
You are in fact warning us that Venezuela has bought Russian equipment & will aid Argentina to conquer us.
We know what the great unwashed are up to.
lf that happened then the UK would be quite justified in using nuclear weapons.
Doubt it will come to that though.
lts possible that when Venezuela sees how pathetic Argentina is, they may very well take over Argentina for themselves.
No doubt the Argentines would go crying to the UN & anyone else who would listen.
Why, they may even seek our help! ha ha bloody ha. suffer baby.
Anyway mate, socialism(as is practised) is a crock of dingo sh!t.
Not many prosperous socialist countries in the world.
l made my money by capitalism & l never exploited anybody.
Pure socialism inhibits enterpreners & economic growth.
Are you a psychic? l too, believe that the Argentines will try invasion again.
They say that they're peaceful, ha! l'd rather trust a boemslang than them!
We must be prepared.
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