Red Cross to again address London over the Falklands Argentine unnamed graves
The International Red Cross pledged it will again contact British authorities with Argentina’s request for special forensic groups to travel to the Falklands to identify combatants buried in Islands’ unnamed graves.
Argentine Foreign Affairs minister Hector Timerman received the Red Cross representative for the area, Felipe Donoso with whom they discussed the unnamed graves at the Argentine cemetery in Darwin and other issues pertaining to the many activities of the international organization in Argentina.
Donoso is the Red Cross delegate for Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay and during the meeting Minister Timerman recalled that the original request was announced by President Cristina Fernandez last April 2.
On that day at an official ceremony the Argentine president said she had addressed a letter to the Red Cross president asking him to intermediate before British authorities so that the unnamed graves in Malvinas (since 1982) could be identified.
The letter said the request was humanitarian and in the framework of the right to the truth.
Regional delegate Donoso revealed that when the new Red Cross president Peter Maurer took office last June 15, a letter was addressed to London with the Argentine request, but there had been no reply yet.
Anyhow Donoso pledged that “the Red Cross would again contact the British government to try and obtain an answer as soon as possible”.
However the request to send forensic teams for the identification of Argentine soldiers buried in the Falklands is not necessarily unanimous among the next of kin. Some support it enthusiastically while others prefer to keep things as they are and not remove the pain thirty years on.
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Cfk dosent give a shit whos graves she dances on, if she thinks she can get a point over the british reguarding the Falklands!
Yet here on this emotional issue she and Timerman are apparently so overcome with shyness they need the Red Cross to act as their intermediary.
I'm touched. And surely only a churlish cynic could conclude that the Red Cross and the dead are being used in a cheap attempt to portray Argentina as the poor victim of the heartless Brits.
I'm all for an independent ICRC team removing the remains of these Argentine soldiers, identifying them, and then returning the remains to their relatives.
That should be the only acceptable outcome. I wonder what CFK would say to that?
That has sort of buggered them! If they say yes - then that means they recognise we exist - and thus all sorts of things start to follow internationally.
If they say NO - and ever raise the issue of nobody prepared to talk again - then UK will shoot them down in flames!
Antartica Argentina
So that we are all clear what you are talking about.
Please give us your claim to territories and seas , with delineations in Latitude and Longitude
I just see this as another opportunity for a crass stunt by CFK - the woman clearly has no shame on past record and if she really cares about the war dead then I can't see what is wrong with my suggestion.
Go ahead and try, see what'll happen.
ARG: We'll grant you licences to fish in Antarctic waters!
ROW: Oh, has the Antarctic treaty expired?
ARG: Er...no, but we say you can fish there!
ROW: Riiight... and which part of Antarctic waters are yours to grant fishing rights in?
ARG: There!
ROW: Er...that appears to include British and Chilean Antarctic territories.
ARG: That doesn't matter! Antartica Arrrrgentina!
ROW: Well let's see...the Antarctic treaty is still in force so by attempting to grant fishing rights you've reneged on the agreement thereby voiding any participation by yourselves on what goes on in Antarctica.
ARG: Er......is no fair! (sniff)
ROW: too bad, that's how the world works......oh no...stop crying please, God this is so embarrassing....
ARG: Waaaaaaa!!
:o)
To send in special forensic groups to travel to the Argentine mainland ,to identify
The untold thousands of innocent murdered people,
Buried in unnamed graves there .
.
Pirat-Hunter will sell them a licence to fish for corpses in the River Plate Estuary.
But as you know her, better than the rest of us,
Perhaps you would like to divulge to us , WHY, CFK want this,,
And why does she not just contact the Falklanders and ask them,
Its called communication.
So why does KFC keep using the RG dead as pawns in her grubby little game?
:-)
I'm sure they call Buenos Aires. Now how would London react if the federal government told them “don't call us, call Futaleufu City Hall and discuss the matter with them”?
Also, your reductio argument is hardly relevant as FIG aren't a “federal” part of the UK. They manage their own affairs, to a far greater level than a city hall or even an Argentine province.
Jul 25th, 2012 - 11:00 pm
What would be the point. Argentine claims change with the wind.
”In fact the British Government did respond at the time [early April 2012], saying that it would forward the request on to the Falkland Islands’ Government (FIG) to whom it should have been addressed in the first place. Since then the FIG has written to the Argentine Embassy in London to say that it is prepared to sit down and discuss a range of issues; a response that appears to have been ignored.”
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/return-to-sender-address-unknown/
@20 Of course I'm not a soldier. I'm 63. Don't know what argieland sent over in '82 but it's unlikely they were “soldiers”. Except possibly in the heat of battle, proper soldiers don't lock unarmed civilians, including children, in buildings for days without food or water. Proper soldiers don't crap in people's bathtubs, beds and over their furniture. Proper soldiers don't site artillery weapons between people's homes. Proper soldiers don't paint red crosses on everything for “protection”. Those are the actions of bully boys, animals and cowards.
@24 “Futaleufu”? You have to be kidding. There can't be any such place. Nobody would be dumb enough to give anywhere such a stupid name. Surely it's “Futile of you”? A very appropriate argie name. And surely there can't be any “real” Brits living in the wilderness?
@25 But then most Germans were an “honest” enemy. Not the nazis of course. Where did the nazis run to? Oh yes, I remember.
@30 How many “real” next of kin are there likely to be after 30 years?
@32 Just as a matter of interest, who has any idea how long a corpse would last in the soil of the Falkland Islands? Would there be anything left?
Your comments are about as Low Browed as you can get, you obviously are a medical case, but I reserve my pity for those poor people who live downwind of you.
“So did the UK not respond in June or did they advise the Argentines/Red Cross to contact the FIG about it?”
Answer w/ link in # 29.
There is no response from the United Kingdom as it does not recognise something called 'Malvinas' and before long may not recognise something called Argentina either!
All this does is make the Argentine Government look stupid (which does seem to be what they like to do mind).
Nah, they have plastic surgeons for that.
How is it different from the UK? The UK only follows the international rules when they want to, otherwise they enter coalitions of the willing or such other illegal and criminal contraptual arrangements.
@49
The coalition of the willing, whatever you may think of it, was legal under international law, and supported by those UN resolutions you guys are so fond of.
Try naming a case of the UK violating international rules that stands up to examination.
Clear sign the American, French, UK, etc have been supplying them arms along with the Gulf states.
Just because you do it under subterfuge does not mean it is any less criminal. The UK is a criminal gov, end of story.
What's your evidence that these formerly unarmed cvilians have got any heavy weaponry at all? I haven't seen them with tanks, helicopters, or artillery myself.
And what's your evidence that they got these weapons they apparently don't have from the UK? And why would it be wrong if they did?
As an ex serviceman, I would dearly love these men to be identified, to be given back their names, they fought for their country, they at least deserve that. Not for their next of kin but for them, anyone stop for a single moment and think what they might have wanted.
DNA these guys, send the Data to the people who have abandonned them and leave it up to them, if they had a single ounce decency, they would do the right thing. Though some how I doubt it, because they would be throwing away a political pawn!!!!
What are you implying bitch?
The Falkland Islanders respect and tend thesee graves, I think they, their government, if they chose to, should DNA them, it can be done, there are numerous reputable Archeological Agencies who could do the job properly.
The data would then be there, with which ever agency conducted the test, for any relative, of an unknown, to provide a comparrison sample for identification.
I really find it sick, that in this day and age,with the technology we have, we deny a basic right to these men. The right to be a person, to be given back the most fundamental of all rights, an identity.
Sod KFC and her sick politics, do it because, in the end we all know, it is the right to do. Put an end to her to the abuse of these mens memory.
If the families then choose to let them rest there, then so be it.
The Red Cross should approach the FIG, as they know money has been raised in the Falklands for their cause and I believe their First Aid courses have been run there.
Very interestingly there are some Argentine families who want their relations bodies repatriated, so this could be sorted out.
However if the Argentine and Red Cross authorities refuse to talk to FIG, it would be time again for the MLA's to do something to earn their wages, get on the TV and expose the Argentine government's real reason for this which is to bitch about their false claims to sovereignity, again.
It wasexcellent that the FIG asserted their case at the UN24 and at every opportunity they should exercise the increasing control of their foreign policy that HMG is allowing them, as evidenced at the UN24 this year.
Also if the FIG has offered to talk to the Red Cross, why has this not been publicised, that they have?
You're right it must be in part a ploy on to which CFK has sunk her fangs in to. No doubt there are poor mothers wanting to know if their sons truly did meet their ends in far off lands and no doubt time is not on their side. However there are other parents that have had a world of pain and don't wish to re-live it, mercopress has already reported these 2 factions. It would not have arisen had argentina not invaded and then refused to take back the bodies. The fault lies with argentina and the delay in response is british due diligence.
We have sent her to Coventry,
Just ignore .
.
What a plank. Syria is a country that operates conscription and is awash in small arms. Most of the stuff the rebels operate is either what they already own or have captured from the army, and lots of them have the training to use it....
The heaviest thing I have seen them use was a captured T55 tank in Aleppo- the Syrian army has hundreds of them. Few weapons from the gulf states who oppose Asad seem to have arrived yet.
As to the identification of dead Argentine soldiers - this is a matter for the Argentines to discuss with the proper authorities in London and Port Stanley. I don't know if Argentina has an equivalent of our war-graves commision - they are the people who should be handling this issue.
I can understand the point of view of those families who want to know where their loved ones are buried.
We stand to lose nothing in letting the Argentinians re-opening the wounds of the past - it may make them reflect on the futulity and waste of their war of aggression 1982 and make them less likely to support a second attack.
It strengthens our hand - we appear to be the better people, magnaminous and compasionate in victory.
I am in favour of it as long as CFK does not politicise it.
The British forces after each battle- ASKED- the Arg Officers to help them indentify their own dead and put names to them(as they wore no I.D,discs).
Mostly the Arg Officers REFUSED to do so.
Today these poor lads rest in peace - and every grave has been adopted by a grieving Argentine family.
You'll have to excuse SussieUS. she was on day release from the “secure unit” but day she just didn't come back. We are hoping that we can hunt her down and sterilise her before she procreates. We don't want that kind of madness in the gene pool, imagine what that could lead to!!
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“On Wednesday, Romney told NBC that it was unclear whether the issues that have plagued the final preparations for the London Games could be overcome. Romney said London’s Olympic preparations were ”disconcerting“ and also stated, ”Seems like a struggel, it’s hard to know just how well it will turn out...“
”...Cameron later suggested that Romney had a much easier time overseeing the 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City because they took place in “the middle of nowhere...”
So much for anglo-saxons and their sense of diplomacy... hahahahahahahahaha, this is great stuff. Didn't know anglos were good at soap operas too.
I detect jealousy..........
It's a good job that they are'nt being staged in BA isn't it, the Olympic torch would be the only light source, due to the power cuts.......
We never tire of reminding you silly guys of this,
And the next president, spent the whole day saying sorry,
As for salt lake city, in the desert,
A remark understood by us, and totally flunked by you,
Las Vegas suffers the same remark, a city in the desert.
Get it, ttt
Not that the main point is nontheless true.
@66
That's why we don't pretend to have the means to organize an Olympic Games. We can't, but better yet, we are smart enough not to.
It just goes to show that your “stupendous” intellect is beginning to fail you. On top of that you're lying, there was no thread that had the same number of comments as this one!!!!
Go and count the response times for reply number 63 in each and confirm it yourself:“12:37 am” here by redpoll, and then my repliy 64 came at 1:10am.
Look at the other article then: “10:42pm” by Conor was reply 63... reply 64 came at 2:49am by Zhivago.
Which confirms both articles had 63 replies after 12:37am last night. And as I said both articles are next to each other in the Argentina section.
I should be a detective huh?
So not only I do have stupendous intellect, you owe me an apology for calling me a liar.
Hey, didn't you release you name, home address and phone number to attract males? That's what you get big gay:
G.Briton, 112 Tintagel Castle, Cornwall UK, Post Code PL 34 OHE, Tel. White Hall 1212.
Salute!
Yeah that's mature. Tell me Sussie, when you go through a door do you have to open them or can you just crawl underneath?
You have no morals, no soul, no nothing. You are infact a sad pathetic individual who prays on others misfortune as if it was a badge of honour.
I have witnessed your posts here many times Tobias, very Racist, very homophobic, and very in-humane.
You say that you are educated? lol, sry, but i have to disagree profoundly.
From what i can see, you are only here to promote hostilities, and possibly to recruit other half-wits like Sussie here, to join your cause (although i think your scraping the bottom of the barrel with that one).
You are so blinded by your hatred of the UK (from what i don't know) that you can not see any reason at all.
I really do Pity you Tobias, you are not intelligent, it is plain and simple to us all here, you have no life, no loved ones, no nothing........... Shame really.
p.s. I am not British, but i am European
coventry
@ 71 COVENTRY
Now is the ideal time to ask the Red Cross to intervene and arrange for all bodies to be returned to argentina enabling better access by relatives and for argentina to investigate unidentified bodies.
I agree.
The international Red Cross should exhume the bodies, take their forensic tests, then place the remains in a numbered coffin covered with the Argentine flag, and return them to Argentina, where the Argentines can rebury them with full military honours. Each grave will be marked with the number on the coffin, which will be connected to the forensic tests done by the ICRC.
Any Argentine family that wants to know if it is their relative in one of the graves, only needs to submit a DNA sample for comparison. Once a match is made, the grave can then be properly marked.
This would be the ideal time to remove the bodies back to Argentina, as they would be disinterred for the forensic tests anyway, and it's way past time that these young men were returned home.
For too long the Argentine government has used the presence of Argentine fallen in the Falklands as some sort of 'proof' that they own the Islands, and this disrespectful use of the dead should be ended once and for all by returning all Argentine soldiers home to Argentina.
I know that this may be against the wishes of many of the families of the fallen, who take comfort in the fact that their sons graves are far better respected and attended than they would be if they were in Argentina, but until the Argentine government learns to have respect for the dead, whether they be Argentine, British or of any other nation, then this would be the best solution.
Btw, we did notice the 'snub' of Argentina at the opening ceremony
[explain]
Eye did not notice anything wrong .
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Tell us also Sussie. When you go through doors does anyone even open them for you or do you find that mostly they get let go in your face?
A bit late in the day, but Turkey has admitted to supplying weapons to the Syrian Freedom Fighters - we don't deal in Kalashnikovs. The heavy weaponry is being supplied by Syrian Army defectors, but it is a pitiful amount.
It is nice to see that you support a dictatorial regime which is hell bent in slaughtering its civilian population.
I wonder why the Falkland Islanders are suspicious of the Argentine ?
He's rather past the Dropkick classification, l think.
Theres half-wits,
There's nit-wits,
There's f***wits,
Then there is TTT.
ln a class sll of his own.
Sad.
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