Ecuadoreans march in support of President Correa and Assange
Hundreds of Ecuadoreans marched on Monday in support of the government's decision to grant asylum to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in a saga that could help President Rafael Correa if he seeks re-election.
Ecuador is outraged at Britain for threatening to enter its embassy in London where the Australian anti-secrecy campaigner -- faced with extradition to Sweden for questioning over rape and sexual assault accusations -- has taken refuge.
There is also a wider power game at play between Ecuador and the bloc of populist Latin American governments it belongs to, and the United States.
Correa supports Assange's claim that he is at risk of being sent to the United States for punishment over Wikileaks' 2010 release of a deluge of US diplomatic cables and secret army documents.
Correa is already very popular and appears to be drawing more support with his stance on Assange. He has portrayed the standoff with London as a principled struggle between a small nation against a “colonial power.”
There have been small protests outside the British Embassy in Quiro, and graffiti has sprung up showing support for Correa.
Correa's government says it is open to negotiations with Britain and Sweden, but there have been no talks since Aug. 15.
Ecuador might take the case to the International Court of Justice, Foreign Minister Ricardo Patiño said on Monday, but would prefer other alternatives like convincing London to allow Assange to travel to Ecuador or provide guarantees he would not be extradited to the United States if he is sent to Sweden.
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“Hundreds of Ecuadorian's in favor rape and sexual assault on women”
Let them have their moment on the world stage, it won't last long.
None of this is anything to do with Assange, its an oppurtunity to have a dig at the UK, they couldn't give a stuff about him.
Well, it worked for Belarus........
Why do criminals run to South America? Perhaps this is why South America is a crime ridden dump?
Ever heard the phrase “innocent until proven guilty”?
The European Arrest Warrant does not require charges to have been made. It requires an intention to prosecute.
See:
www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/jud-aut-sweden-v-assange-judgment.pdf
pages 16 - 20 of pdf in particular para 10 on page 17
Maybe the Swedes have a very flimsy case, maybe they have a very strong case. We simply don't know. The European Arrest Warrant doesn't require evidence of guilt. That is presented at trial, with prior disclosure to the defence, to give them time to respond to it.
I don't know how due process is done where you come from, but the police cannot release their evidence to the general public. To do so could prejudice the case against the accused.
You say that in post 14 do we have any proof that the US isn't out to get Assange.
Well to use the arguments that you and many others have out forwards:
The burden of proof is on the accusers. Mr Assange has accused the US and Sweden of plotting against him. Therefore it is up to Mr Assange to provide the proof that they are.
Which he obviously can't otherwise he would have done so already.
But let's for a moment assume that Assange is correct, that Sweden and the US are plotting against him. He blabs about it to the world, hides in the embassy of one if the worse countries on human rights in the world.
But eventually he ends up extradited to Sweden. Do you honestly believe that the US would extradite him then, when by not extraditing him will discredit him before the whole world?
Quite frankly, Mr Assange is a fool. He has set himself up for a fall of monumental proportions, and has made himself look like a coward, and also guilty.
He has tried to discredit the alleged victims of the crime he is wanted for questioning about (a common tactic amongst rapists, by the way), he has come up with the most unlikely conspiracy in the history of conspiracies (and that includes the one that states that George W Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks), in short he isn't acting like an innocent man. He is acting like a man who believes he's above the laws of mere mortals such as ourselves.
However, regarding the story. It's nice to see the Ecuadorians supporting rapists and other sexual crimes like this. What next? Are they going to march in support of paediphiles?
Ecuador may find itself becoming a tourist destination for those undesirables who like raping women. After all, rape isn't a crime there, President Correa told everyone in the world that.
You have to understand it is about 1950 with regards to women's rights in the Southern Cone and it regresses in time as you move up the continent through Central America. Michelle Bachelet certainly started to move Chile towards the 21st century but there is little evidence elsewhere.
That's funny. Try this one.
newsthump.com/2012/08/15/julian-assange-still-locked-in-building-to-avoid-being-locked-in-building/
Many a true word spoken in jest - the man is a self-seeking prat!
If you wanted to face questioning/ trial, Sweden would be the country of choice for most people. They are so “fair-minded”, it can be painful.
@14 Let's figure this. Let's say argieland wants to prosecute a war criminal who's in another country. Although such a “person” should be way down the list. There being 41,281,631 on hand that they should prosecute first. Here's the options: (1) War criminal transported to argieland for trial; (2) Argieland sends all appropriate personnel to conduct trial in another country. Judges, lawyers, clerks, bailiffs, custody staff, admin staff, all sent to other country; (3) Argieland doesn't bother as it will be 425 years before it has space in its court schedule; (4) Argieland doesn't bother as it is “war criminal” heaven. Murderers, nazis, genocides, rapists, thugs, liars, cheats, thieves, slags, queers - argieland is home from home!
@16 What did you read? Where did you start from? Assange: “I am innocent. It's all a conspiracy.” Or did you start from “Assange ran. First from Sweden. Then from justice. Then from British courts. Then to the ”embassy“ of a ”country“ that doesn't believe in impartial justice, civil rights, honesty, human rights, press freedom.” Incidentally, if you're talking about the flat (apartment), it's not an “embassy”, it's a “chancery”. The “embassy” is the people. Those that are accredited.
In the meantime we will continue to insult you, and threaten you,
Abuse you , and demonstrate against you, and burn your flag,
Why wont you speak to us ??????????
he thinks he is safe, from the Americans,
he should remeber some interesting things,
1, ecuador, is not pakistan,
2, he is not asama,
3, he wont be that far away
4, they have all the time in the world
5, he does not,
golden [7] osama was assasinated in pakistan , he is not slagging of the yanks , now,,is he lol.
Do you know what was going through Osama's head when the SEAL killed him?
A 5.56mm full metal Jacket.
Ecuador’s foreign minister, Ricardo Patiño, revealed that it was unlikely that Mr Assange would be able to leave Britain and fly to Ecuador even if he was granted asylum.
“For Mr Assange to leave England, he would need a safe pass from the British government,” he said.
“With this in mind, his options pretty much consist of being imprisoned in a building or being imprisoned in a building.”
I think the forgoing shows an uncharacteristic show of logic by Ricardo Patiño.
LOL :o)
stranger things have happened, he might sent sussyusa.lol.
what do they call you, clever or what,
respect is earned,
the fact is,
britain has done nothing.
ecuador on the other hand has thown out nothing but insults and threats, and burning british flags.
one suggest you look before you leap.
They aren't really looking for your respect, they are basically telling you stay the fook iit of my territory, without the use of arms. Ecuador.
Old empire :)
You clowns must enjoy the police state..(more internet censorship there).
Ecuadorian territory in London = A ground floor flat in the posh neighbourhood of Knightsbridge London, rented from the landlord.
You have a PC, go and read up on the vienna Convention, it might enlighten you, but I doubt it.
Stop me if I'm wrong but didn't UK say there was a legal precident for going in to the embassy not that they would be going in.
Briton
They aren't really looking for your respect, they are basically telling you stay the fook iit of my territory, without the use of arms. Ecuador.
First of, it’s not their territory,
It’s merely and agreement that countries observe.
It’s called respecting others,
And we ain going into that,
The fact is, we was only telling them the law,
No one is going to enter, not now not in the future,
So he has no logic to go on and on and on, like a washing machine,
We have in fact done nothing,
They on the other hand .
keep slipping on that banana .
a rather silly comment from the F.O.
but advice was all it was, nothing more ,,nothing less, and to be fair,
we told them that, the country told them that , the papers told them that, but would he listen .
they were told, that it was possible to enter if they chose to, but did not intend to do so,
whatever the exact wording was,
it is now very clear to all, that the british have no intention of entering this embassy.
Well he is his mate and he's certainly running.
#47
What international law has Britain breached.?
this is for serious discussions,
Not generic infected slags,
Piss off,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Im off for a weeks R&R
In south America,
yiiippppeeeeeeeeeee,
And staying well away from the hoars hotel.
See you next weeky
We did not come up with a UK law to deal with a bunch of wankers defying an International Arrest Warrant by holding the prat Assange in their miniature embassy.
The law was enacted in response to the murder of Yvonne Fletcher, a 25 YO woman Police Officer. She was shot by a Libyan who fired a Sterling Sub-machine gun at the crowd she was standing in outside the Libyan Embassy.
That was on April 17th 1984 during a protest by the Libyan National Salvation Front (LNSF), a bunch of students. The Libyans claimed the embassy had been savagely stormed by the protesters (have Ecuador been taking lessons or is it endemic with LatAm 'diplomats') and opened fire in self-defence.
The law, Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987, as amended, allows the Secretary of State, under clearly defined rules, to remove the consular privileges and, if necessary, title to the land itself and vest it in the Crown.
Only a legal 'note' (in England and Wales) or a 'warrant' in Scotland is needed to make it so.
There is one thing I have noticed about Assange though: he did not deny the charges in his little window, come balcony, stunt.
It's like you and me playing tennis and we have an argument about the rules, then you come up with some local handball rule in order to solve the issue...
JAAAAAAAAAAAAAJAAAAAAAAAAA
off to southamerica?......
La Isolda Pavota trying to make Generic Gay Briton to look like a VIP? ...... how much for the cornish pasty in Paraguay..........just a guarani....
JAAAAAAAAAAAAJAAAAAAAAAAA!
Hey....be sure to cover your arse..... southamerican men really will jump on you and brake your arse!
Hey, isolda, concha seca y sin tetas, do us a favor, NEVER COME BACK!
You are so wrong headed on this.
Do you really believe that firing a sub-machine gun into a peaceful crowd of demonstrators from the INSIDE of an embassy cannot be handled by the host country?
If it were in LatAm the Army would have dealt with it, without the niceity of a Law. And I would agree with that.
We are stupid in the UK. We treat cnuts like Libya under Gaddafi and Ecuador under that 'paragon' of truth Correa as normal people. They are not, nor will they ever be.
Assange should be in Sweden by now, end of.
agreed
So, you are TEMPTED to agree with me about some Libyan nutcase killing innocent protesters! However his time is coming, very soon.
You cannot get over your disappointment at not being a LatAm can you?
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