PM Cameron admits disagreements with Brazil on some foreign policy issues
British Prime Minister David Cameron admitted that UK and Brazil did not agree in all foreign policy issues, but welcomed the existence of an open debate between the two countries. PM Cameron ended on Friday a two-day visit to Latinamerica’s largest economy to promote trade and investment.
“We didn’t agree in all issues, but we had good and lively debates on foreign policy issues”, underlined PM Cameron after an hour long meeting with President Dilma Rousseff.
Apparently the main discrepancies refer to the current Syrian crisis and the Iran conflict regarding Teheran regime’ development of nuclear energy and its refusal of UN inspectors to check that enriched uranium will not be used for the manufacture of mass destruction weapons.
“I reiterated to the Prime Minister Brazil’s conviction that there is no military solution for the Syrian crisis. A political process led by the Syrians is the best way to overcome the conflict”, said President Rousseff.
The Brazilian leader also expressed concern about the growing rhetoric in support of a unilateral military action in Iran: “Any initiative of this kind would represent a violation of the UN charter with most serious consequences for the Middle East”.
On both issues the UK is a strong ally of Washington and other Western powers such as France.
The two leaders also showed different points of view, but very diplomatically, regarding how to overcome the current global financial crisis and criticism from developed countries to Brazil’s policies of defending its foreign trade and domestic market.
“Brazil is doing its part” in the recovery of the global economy, said President Dilma Rousseff next to PM Cameron who in an interview before arriving in Sao Paulo was critical of the country’s policy to restrict imports with the purpose of supporting local industry.
“In the midst of the crisis, we have increased our imports; Brazil is doing its part when developing growth incentives to create jobs and domestic demand”, said President Rousseff. “Despite the global crisis our flows of trade and investment have registered sustained growth”.
In an interview with Folha de Sao Paulo before arriving to Brazil PM Cameron said that “trying to isolate and protect industry from competition may benefit the local industry, but it has long-term costs and will block the development of a truly competitive and innovative industrial base”.
The Brazilian position on the issue is that faced with the “monetary tsunami” from developed countries when they pump money to their economies to overcome the crisis, developing countries need to defend their foreign trade and domestic markets.
“Central banks from developed countries persist with an expansionist monetary policy which misbalances exchange rates, and as a consequence emerging countries lose markets because of the artificial revaluation of their currencies which only further aggravates the global recessive scenario”, said Rousseff earlier in the week before the UN general assembly.
PM Cameron ended his two-day visit in Brasilia which started Thursday in Sao Paulo and continued in Rio do Janeiro.
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Who says they haven't?
Outside Argentina - the issue is not really an issue.
First paragraph; correct.
Second paragraph; incorrect.
(5) Beef
Yes, I do.
Essentially the more Argentina goes on about it, especially during a period where the Argentine economy is in difficulties, the less people listen.
You cant keep repeating the same old, tired, tactic and not expect people to get sick & tired of hearing it.
No the Brazilians don't give a toss about Argentina's colonial ambitions.
The Brazilians give a toss about themselves and their future. They are moving away, politically, from the likes of Argentina and Venezula, and realise that if they play by the international rules, work hard, and make trade deals, they get alot of investment in their country.
This in turn creates jobs, which in turn gives people money, which in turn makes people want to buy luxuries, which in turn helps the manafucturers of these goods who will supply more through import or building them in Brazil, who will in turn pay import tax and other taxes to the Brazilian government, which will allow the government to spend money on improving schools, infrastructure, hospitals etc... These are the things that the people of Brazil care about.
That's how a good economy works.
Not only that, but Brazil has moved leagues. They are no longer in the bottom division with the likes of Argentina and Venezula. They are moving fast through the 1st division, and it won't be too long before they are members of the Premier division.
Brazil will soon be THE POWER in South America, not Venezula and definitely not Argentina. They will have the military might, the economic might and the diplomatic might.
If they keep improving the way they are, they will soon be a world power, and when they speak, everyone will listen.
It's a pity, because this is how Argentina could've progressed if you didn't keep voting in corrupt governments whose only ability appears to be mismanaging Argentina's economy into the toilet.
Argentina is just the junior partner to Brazil. I know that hurts your Argentine pride, but you only have yourselves to blame.
Brazil has turned itself into a powerhouse economy whilst at the same time Argentina's economy has once again slipped into the abyss through political mismanagement and is once again on the verge of a complete collapse.
Argentina needs to look at Brazil and Chile for guidance on how to run an economy and get rid of the lying corrupt government who has got filthy rich at the expense of the people. CFK's wealth alone has increased by 572% since taking power.
Meanwhile back in the real world its Argentina that begs for every countries support not the UK.....
Don't be childish.
President Dilma Rousseff made some interesting points with regard to both Syria and Iran and I hope Mr Cameron listens.
The main reason for the visit however was to boost trade and investment and was largely successful.
Brazil will soon be the major player in South America. They won't give a toss about Argentina and its colonial ambitions.
The only thing Argentine politicians can do is lie and cry. And they're even sh!t at that.
Brazil is going to look after number one. It's own people. And it is happy to deal with countries that keep to trade deals. Brazil is already upset with Argentina over its completely illegal protectionist trade policies.
But they know that when they trade with grown up countries, that those countries will stick to the letter if any agreements.
I foresee a time, in the not too distant future, where Brazil, Uruguay and Chile will have trade agreements with the Falkland Islanders. Selling them goods and services made in their respective countries.
After all, the Falklands are soon to be very well off. No sensible nation would miss that trade opportunity.
The where? The Mal what? Never heard of them. Do you mean the Maldives? If so what do they have to do with this?
Ha ha, you' Ve been“ pwned” by the Brits. Again!!
Better employ your usual tactics to get your way. Blockade Brazil.
You only care about the brits in the falklands. Seems like you are the only ones. Brazil does not care and she is your best bosom buddy. Your list of allies grows short (as Lord Elrond would say).
Think - I see you are also afflicted with the Argentine delusion gene. It must be a dominant and on the X chromosome because your leader has it as well.
Brazil is interested in Brazil and has taken no actions against the UK to make me think otherwise. In fact it is welcoming British manufactures into the country the likes of JCB for starters.
The OG called into a Brazilian port and the LE sailed unimpeded through Brazil's EEZ.
Care to show me some actions that suggest otherwise?
Brazil will soon be the major player in South America. They won't give a toss about Argentina and its colonial ambitions.
That is what you said.About Brazil.Not Bolivia,Ecuador, or Guyana.
Do you know what you are talking about.Are you short of time or is it that you just like sounding knowledgeable.
New branches on an otherwise very old tree,
A strong powerful and democratic tree,
On the ground wriggles the evil bad nasty twigs and rotten branches that have fell by the wayside,
North Korea , Iran , Somalia to name but a few,
And of course one or two bad rotten dyeing branches falling throw this mighty tree, on their way down to the ground,
Like Argentina, Venezuela's Columbia , ect,
Now does brazil, hang on in there, and grow with this democratic tree,
Or will she allow the falling, Venezuela's and, Argentines evil branches to pull her down with them.
Long winded perhaps, but time waits for no man, and the evil argie bloggers will throw hate and spite , envy and jealous all the way down,
Brazils choice, Brazils future,
Let them choose,
Just an opinion.
Still,
When the wind blow foul,
The good leaves will cover the smelly ground …??
.
Do you deny that Brazil is currently the best performing economy in South America right now?
Oh yes, you're an Argtard, so you believe your government when they tell you that Argentina has the best fiscal policies ever.
Tell me, Yuleno, just how many US dollars do you have? Is it the 1,700 that your president tells everyone that each Argentine has?
On the other hand Rousseff doesn't make outlandish statements to the world press. Her government doesn't steal companies and call it nationalisation.
Her country is buying military hardware. Some of it from Britain. Her country is attracting investors and business to set up shop in Brazil. Her country has attracted investors to help Brazil drill for oil and gas off-shore.
Argentina's government releases lots of statements to the press, but always seems unable to follow through on it's boasts.
Remember when they said that the Chinese would be investing in YPF? Then it was the US, then it was the Russians, then it was Venezula, and now your going cap in hand to the British.
Remember when Argentina's government said it would sell fishing licenses for Falklands waters? Against international law, now many takers did they have? One? No it was none, wasn't it?
Remember when Argentina's government threatened to bring legal action against companies investing in FOGL? Once again it was just hot air, because Argentina has no legal jurisdiction over the Falklands or its EEZ.
Face it, Brazil is a country with a future. Argentina is stuck in 1833 wallowing in lies and half-truths.
That is why in the not too distant future, Brazil will be calling the shots in South America, probably in partnership with Chile. Even Peru is turning itself around, and attracting investment.
No one in their right mind would invest in Argentina. And soon because of your own governments policies, you will be completely locked out of the international money markets.
But that's fine. TTT says that Argentina doesn't need anyone. :-D
Brazil will soon be the major player in South America. They won't give a toss about Argentina and its colonial ambitions.
You said this didn't you.
In post 15 on this thread
Not right is it.
That is why Brazil is now No 1 in S.America and No 6 in the world - and in 25 years perhaps about No 3 in the world perhaps.
Of course Barzil does not see eye-to-eye withj Uk on all foreign affairs matters - does any country see eye-to eye with any other country in the world? hell even UK and USA dont agree on everything by a long way!!
But serious nations like Brazil put things into proper context and place - and GET ON WITH LIFE!
I would advise learning Portugese though!
What is your point? Brazil is an ally of ideologies and a very important player in the international scene. We are quite aware of the fact that your ruined economy are much dependant on Brazil nowadays and even more so in the future. But that makesBrazil your Daddy, not your ally :)
@30 - Too bizarre for words. When you say the world, I think you mean Argentina. Nobody else shares your warped views. You're an Argentine trying to speak for the people of Brazil and the world LOL!!!
Get over it these other countries simply don't care about your fictitious claim to a set of islands you have never owned otherwise they'd not be welcoming the British and seeking their business.
Remember actions speak louder than words and Brazil's actions clearly support friendly relations with the British, I mean why wouldn't they? The British can be far more useful to Brazil than Argentina is to it. I'm not suggesting Brazil is taking sides but I am suggesting Argentine influence has reduced to such a level Brazil no longer cares what it thinks.
Guzz, your a bloody economic genius! can not believe they never thought of that before, and cheap repayment terms too, only 40 million souls.
British Business and politics as usual....
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ios-exclusive-cameron-in-crony-row-over-brazil-factory-8191062.html
You know what Guzz baby, you need to stop sounding like a fortune cookie. please try and think for yourself.
39 Think
Well it's news isn't it? what a minute, not it isn't!!!
Of course, we must try the Argentine way of doing business, that is to lie and cheat and steal, sign agreements we have no intention of sticking to and then whine and moan when we are asked to pay up or stick to the rules........
lol
JCB invest in Brazil and not in UK or F@ckland what will produce revenues and jobs for Brazilians and profits to the owners that will put into an Offshore account provided by HSBC, Barclays, etc in Hong Kong, Panama or Jersey Isle of man, etc. To make more investments abroad and not in UK, so No benefit for the taxpayers that pay the salary of KaMoron.
Idiots Brits with chip in their shoulders applause as usual thinking that this is good for falling Britain.
Sir Anthony Bamford complains about the bad policy of KaMoron...
“Sir Anthony suggests the UK Govt intransigence on employment has also played its part.
“In Germany, our people have carried on working and do two days for us, while the state pays for the other three. There are similar arrangements throughout the EU,” he says. “We've talked to Mandelson and to others who might be elected but it's something they just don't want to tackle. Mandelson's attitude is that it would be fiddled.”
The JCB boss dismissed that argument, pointing to the success of schemes at companies including Daimler in Germany”
Comment for necons idiots: Oh! It is not similar to what Cristina did in Argentina?
“He also has a message for those in Westminster, including Conservative leader David Cameron, to whose party he donated £1m in the run up to the last general election.
“Politicians should acknowledge that you cannot exist as a nation like ours just on the services sector and invisible exports. You can't exist just from people flipping hamburgers; you have to manufacture,” he says.”
Next plant to be open by JCB would be in Argentina perhaps?... following the strategy of John Deer who has opened recently a new plant of USD 130 millions in Rosario to manufacture machinery in Argentina?
english.telam.com.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12939:authorities-at-john-deere-announced-investments-for-us130-million&catid=37:economy
Seem Queen Cristina policies work just fine
Mr. Think a very interesting article from the Independent about politic and Business as usual.
Do you think that this is another typical scandal involving corruption and govt. favours exchanging to generous donor Banana republic style?
Or it is just my imagination?
Just your imagination, Mr. DanyBerger.....
As the LIBOR scandal, Mr. DanyBerger, just y/our imagination.....
As Tony Blair's fortune, Mr. DanyBerger, just y/our imagination.....
As Mark Thatcher's fortune, Mr. DanyBerger, just y/our imagination.....
But Brazil is a big and growing player on the International economic and political scene- Argentina is not- end of story.
UK econo,my is not actually “in ruins” as you say! In the doldrums maybe a dd recession - why?
No 1- due to the Big Banks bugger up a few years ago - the fault of a series of Govts allover the world- and us millions who also borrow more on plastic than we can afford to repay!
No2 - just start to recover from that and then -wham- tits up goes the Euro as a resuly of years of equally overspending what they have not got to repay.
That was NOT - UK,s fault(UK is even helping bail some of then out with cash!) - but as we are in the Europe Trade Block our economy is badly hit as so much of its trade is to and from the Euro countries.
So good idea Cameron - look for increasing trade OUTSIDE Europe - Brazil - China for just 2. Landrover are building their first ever factory outside UK as well - guess where - in China!
The aim of JCB is to sell more machinery for more profit at less cost to increase their competitiveness with the likes of CAT would you not agree?
Ok so here's how it works very simply, the UK is too expensive to manufacturer lower cost items in so we choose to do it in countries that have good tax systems, fair legal systems and educated work forces. I.e. the work gets outsourced from the UK.
This is how modern business works and this is exactly the same reason China has expanded at such a high rate.
And the offshoot from this is JCB becomes more competitive, makes more profit which in turn means the tax payer earns more, shareholders get paid more and the company grows. And before you suggest again the money gets put in a hidden account somewhere, may I remind you this is the UK not Argentina.....
Give you a clue - 2 letters one is G.
Sure mate UK is not like Argentina because is even worse... ha ha ha ha
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17625874
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/19/britains-tax-rules-written-by-multinationals
So JCB will pay taxes to Brazil, salaries to Brazilians the revenue will be counted as GDP of Brazil, the workers will spend the money in Brazil and then if JCB Brazil will not transfer earning to UK you hardy will get 1 penny of that.
In fact may be JCB will report loses or a new investment in Bolivia and KaMoron will offer them a bailout or more tax incentives, after all KaMoron uses taxpayers money to make world wide publicity for them.
@Islander1
G? Ger Many?
Or Chi NA, IN DIA, etc, etc.
Ha ha poor naives
The JCB plant is only for assembly.
JCB won an order to supply the Brasilan gov't with machinery. The high value work is to be done at JCB's UK plants, the sub-assemblies shipped to Brazil and the final assembly done in Brasil.
It is a good deal for the UK.
I think Toyota has a similar set up in Argentina for the Fortuner. The high value engineering and engines come from Brazil, then the assembly is done in Argentina.
whats good for britain,
is not so good for CFK..
So lets put Dany's version of economics to work. So JCB setup a plant in Brazil in which they will not receive any income or profit? Some interesting logic there where JCB sets up a factory it can't make any profit from.
Sipping champagne agreeing political differences. We can all agree that we disagree :))
we trade with russia and china .
we did buy oil of Iran.
the world will always trade, one way , or another .
Meanwhile in the real world JCB is cutting jobs in UK since started its expansion in Emerging countries
Since 2008 JCB have been cutting and payments...
Digger firm JCB to axe 500 workers
www.metro.co.uk/news/217674-digger-firm-jcb-to-axe-500-workers
JCB to cut 700 jobs
www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/13/jcb-job-cuts
CB lays off 200 agency workers at Rocester headquarters
www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/JCB-lays-200-agency-workers-Rocester-headquarters/story-16569167-detail/story.html
@ Xect
Really?
Even if Sir Anthony Bamford has the money in cash in his account in Bahamas, Jersey, Panama, Switzerland, or even UK (I hardy believe that) the investment is made through banks loans from UK and locally in Brazil.
And may be he uses a hidden auto loan to gain some extra interest in the process.
So the company in Brazil even if successful in sales will be reporting loses from around 5 years because the company will be paying back the loans (even from its self) and as long time investment takes several years to get production equilibrium to get profits.
So in 5 years the company may be will be reporting profits and if the company sends this profits to UK as royalties for shareholders UK will only get a little tax income over it. But they can move this profits to other places like in Tax paradise and UK will never get 1 penny of it. Or they can desire to reinvest that money in Brazil or or or...
Or they can cheat Arm's Length Mechanism and sell cheap close to none profit from UK to Brazil to avoid the payment of higher taxes in UK.
Meanwhile UK has to rise taxes to middle class and cut over basic service for the poor while treasury looses 20bn Pounds in tax revenues
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/19/britains-tax-rules-written-by-multinationals
You are so smart mate, I understand now why Britain in going down though the drains like water from flashed toilette.
These idiots poor versions of conservatives Tories in disgrace think they know how real economy works. But they don't because are useful tools to be raped by Ponzy bankers.
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