South America solid behind Argentina’s Falklands’ claim at UN decolonization meeting
The opening session of the UN Fourth Committee on decolonisation was dominated by a joint verbal assault on Britain by South American countries over the issue of the Falkland Islands. One after another, representatives of governments in the region called on the UK to enter into dialogue with Argentina over the sovereignty of the Islands, which are claimed by the government in Buenos Aires.
The response from Britain was as firm as it was swift, and echoed the line taken by London then rejecting Spanish advances over Gibraltar, reports the Gibraltar Chronicle that is covering the event since Chief Minister Fabian Picardo addressed the Fourth Committee.
In a right of reply at the close of the session, the British representative said the UK had no doubt about its sovereignty over the Falkland Islands and its surrounding islets and waters.
The UK official told the committee that Britain attaches great importance to the principle of self determination and added: “That principle underlines our position on the Falkland Islands”.
“There can be no negotiations on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless and until such time as the Islanders so wish,” she said.
“The United Kingdom’s relationship with all its overseas territories is a modern one based on partnership, shared values and the right of each territory to determine its own future.”
The UK was fully committed to protecting the right of the Falkland Islanders to determine their own social, political and economic future, she later added.
She recalled that the democratically elected representatives of the Falklands Islands had asked the Special Committee to respect the principle of self-determination and reiterated the historical fact that the Islands had no indigenous people. They confirmed that the Falklands Islands had been peacefully settled over a century and a half by their ancestors and they had no desire other than to be left to live in peace. She said the representatives had also expressed their disappointment after the President of Argentina had refused their invitation to meet and listen to their views.
The most robust intervention from the South American countries came, unsurprisingly, from Argentina. Mateo Estreme, Chargé d’Affairs at the Argentine mission to the UN, said the Malvinas had been usurped from Argentina in 1833 and illegally occupied by Britain since.
In analysing the Argentine position, he sought to differentiate the territory and its people as two separate things, and rubbished the Falkland Islanders’ plan to hold a referendum on their future next year. “There is in fact a ‘colonial situation’ but not a ‘colonised people’” Estreme said.
“To allow the British population on the Islands to become the arbitrator of a dispute to which their own country is a party distorts the right of self determination of peoples because there is not a people subject to the subjugation, domination or exploitation of a colonial power.”
“In this sense, the announced ‘referendum’ is an illegal, spurious and tautological exercise as it is promoted by the British to ask British citizens if they want to continue to be British” said the Argentine representative who added that “this is a serious distortion of the spirit of self determination as well as a serious violation of Argentina’s territorial integrity.”
Many of the speakers from the South American countries also expressed concern over oil exploration activities in the waters around the Falkland Islands and over Britain’s military presence there.
The latter includes military exercises involving, among other things, the firing of missiles from the Falkland Islands over the coming fortnight. Britain says its military presence and the exercises are routine and take place annually.
Estreme accused Britain of taking advantage of its position as a permanent member of the UN Security Council and said the UK was abandoning its responsibilities by refusing to enter into dialogue with Argentina.
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It' s just words......
Nothing to worry about...
Nothing at all.... Please go back to sleep.
This needs to be rebutted every time it is brought up.
allafrica.com/stories/201210091203.html
Speaking on behalf of the south Latin American countries (Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Guyana, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Uruguay and Venezuela), Ambassador of Peru to the UN Mr. Enrique Roman-Morey underlined that these countries ”strongly support efforts of the Secretary General and his Personal Envoy to reach a just, lasting and mutually acceptable political solution, which will provide for the self-determination of the people of Western Sahara in the context of arrangements compatible with the principles and purposes of the UN Charter and Resolution 1514 (XV) of the General Assembly and other pertinent resolutions.”
It's like Turkeys voting for Christmas
Their own country.
Then we definitely would be a 'dominated, subjugated and dominated population', and we would have nothing in common with our colonisers. The UN would recognise our independence. Job done.
There is no “British” colony in S.A The Falklands are not in S.A. - They are in the South Atlantic - look at a MAP !!
The Argentine is certainly a colony unless the original inhabitants decided to change their features and start speaking Spanish.
Spanish, the native language of Spain !!!!!
#6 ISLAS MALVINAS ARGENTIN? FOR EVER!! As long as the enemy is alive all we need is will and determination to fight, even if we have to execute one thieve at a time. You may carry the watches but we have the time.
Its widely accepted the decolonization committee is worthless, hence the reason all important and powerful countries have effectively withdrawn from it.
Another pointless waste of oxygen.
Trust me you want to watch this. The Spaniard rambles on for a bit first but I wonder if he knew what was coming when the leader of Gibraltar began to speak. That is the biggest bitch slap i've ever heard in the UN. He could be a poster on here.
Everything made in Argentina is dodgy crap that is either already broken when you buy it from a shop as new or breaks in couple of months.
Soon there will be no imported stuff at all and it will be hilarious when everything falls apart..industria Argentina...nacional. ..hecho en argentina. ..Buahahahahaaa!!!!
Its our conventional forces they need to watch out for and if Argentina ever did somehow get and use a nuclear weapon on the Falkland's the fallout would kill a lot of Argentinian people, although this is irrelevant as the UK would obviously retaliate which would be the end of Argentina for good.
It's all a bit silly really...
Of course South America is “solid”. Solid between the ears. Not that they use their ears much. Too busy gabbing. Under international law, the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands are BRITISH. By virtue of landing, settlement, prior claim, occupation and uti possidetis. Uti possidetis (Latin for “as you possess”) is a principle in international law that territory and other property remains with its possessor at the end of a conflict. In addition to all other bases, did Britain fight a war in 1982? Did it win? Was Britain in possession of the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands when the argies surrendered? It was. So f*** off South America. Do we have to beat the sh*te out of every one of you? Quite easy really. Faced by a hostile continent, the UK has every justification for using its nuclear missiles to protect its territory. Wake up, South America. Argieland is lying. It always lies. We know it. You know it. And we will fight to the death. Whose death? Yours! We cannot be bullied. And, at the end of the day, you mean nothing to us! Want a list of people and countries that thought they could bully us? Start with Philip II of France. A number of wars. Then Philip II of Spain. He of the Spanish Armada. The Dutch sometime or another. Napoleon and France. Nicholas I and Russia. Kaiser Wilhelm and Germany. Hitler and Nazi Germany. Mussolini and Italy. Galtieri and argieland. They all LOST!
Sorry about that.
@14 What illegal white population? The 86.4% of the argie population. “Pease” pudding? What about argie “faggots”? Aren't all argies “faggots”? Genocidal, nazi, cowardly, faggots. Is there an argie that doesn't deserve to be executed? Think about it. All the scum that supported Galtieri. All the scum that support the Kirchners. Who thinks the world needs argies? Answers on the back of a small postage stamp.
By the way if u ever happen to travel in deep south of SA, don't take bus made in argentina. When i was traveling there i took three times a brand new looking double deck bus, Argetinian brand, made in Rosario, AND EVERY SINGLE TIME there was a engine failure and the bus started roaming about 20km/h ffffuuuuucckkk!! then we had to wait for a rescue bus...and there it was, the star, Mercedes Benz, ahh, wundebarrr, über alles...
That's the only reason I can think of for printing this story........
By the way, did you know that the bloke who lives next door to me is 95 tomorrow?
and he still lives with his mum an dad!!
A-u-s-t-e-r-i-t-y :)
the british will sit back and just get on with it,
after all, what can the WHOLE of south America do but TALK .
bla bla bla, ..
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are you listening, argentina , co.CFK
I've been there and done that albeit in a different committe and very different subject matter but nonetheless a UN committee and trust me when I say he better have taken sweets to the translation room after that lot. The ladies would've been knackered. I always give them a couple of packs of Wine Gums or similar and they love you for it.
I wonder if Argentina and Hugo will invade the islands. It seems like they really are planning for it. Interesting to see what happens.
A colonial “situation” but not a colonial “people” (because situations have rights, not people, I guess - then again, it IS the UN, individual rights mean nothing there). “To allow the British population on the Islands to become the arbitrator of a dispute to which their own country is a party distorts the right of self determination of peoples ***because there is not a people subject to the subjugation, domination or exploitation of a colonial power.***” What then, should a neutral party, like the Lower Buvlakistaniis vote on behalf of the Falkand Islanders “true conscience”? Or would Estreme rather have a small committee handpicked by CFK vote for them.
I don't know if the translators were crying or laughing so hard their drinks shot out their noses.
It's clear that the Argentines are absolutely terrified of the referendum. Good heavens! The people who have the most skin in this game wanting a vote -- and a vote that will likely never be for them. I bet they are wishing every night that the Junta had disappeared all of those pesky free-thinking Islanders in 1982 when they had the chance.
Entertaining wasn't it. It's worth listening to though and the Spanish guy is worth a listen to as well.
In the meantime... Difficult time comming for the British.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=An8_XHW7m8c
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bZb2EGFIa4
What do they want to negotiate? They want the Falklands, plain and simple and we are not going to give it to them so that's the end of it as far as he UK are concerned. There doesn't seem to be a thing Argentina can do about it.
Maybe the UK need to mention the fact that these isles were charted and claimed by the UK way before these uninvited criminals were thrown off of them.
Nice one but at least argentina managed to give their planes a new coat of paint!
You are not threatening all of South America Aren't you?
You know, I think we will. Cope with it, that is.
* “We have no doubts about our rights”
* “The wishes of the islanders are paramount”
Anyone can be a diplomat like that LOL
Well, they'll keep saying it until you show some sign of having understood it.
[you cant even handle Ghana ]
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Before it is too late. Rg and Brazil Nuke subs on the way.
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Brazilian subs, and that’s decades away,
But if brazil is stupid enough to allow argentina to influence its military prowess,
Then she will end up like you,
Whistling on a dream boat..
Lets face facts here,
All you have done for 30 odd years it talk,
All you are doing now is talk.
And all you will do, is talk.
Prove us wrong..lol.
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Nobody in the UK is going to attack anybody in SA, you know that. And the talk of nukes, whoever started it in this thread, is utter tosh.
The only think we will do is defend the Falklands, and I hope nobody in SA initiates the aggression. That's the reality of it, nothing more.
I guess bias mutilates a journalist's abilities...
You`re right. I`ve noticed that too. But not suprised comming from Falkland Press.
Maybe they should have titled the note “UK reitirates its firm desicion to maintain control of Malvinas defending the inaplicable and distortioned self-determination of inslander fishermen”
fishermen? Where did you get that from? I'm not a fisherman. I don't even know any fishermen. And why would a fisherman have less right to self determination than anyone else?
was it from the falklands press.
New year, same shite. The decolonisation committee is almost as comically irrelevant in the grand scheme of things as Argentina.
Come back and try again when you take your lies to a forum with some legislative power. In the meanwhile we'll get on with the business of allowing our citizens to decide what to do with their future and their land.
“said the UK had no doubt about its sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands and its surrounding islets and waters” says this guy, see:
“It is not at all clear to me that we never ever held sovereignty over these islands”, Duke of Wellington, Prime Minister, 1829.
“The British occupation of 1833 was at the time an act of wanton aggression”, Memorandum of the British Foreign Office official, 1946.
“The only question was who had the best claim as we are attaching for the first time the islands. I think undoubtedly were the United Provinces of Buenos Aires”, Ronald Campbell, secretary of foreign affairs, 1911.
“Sitting down hard on the islands and avoid talking to the Argentines, because we could not sustain our arguments in court”, legal counsel for the Foreign Office, Gerald Fitzmaurice, 1936.
“Britain fully recognizes the sovereignty of the Argentine public authorities on the territories in which proclaim their jurisdiction...”, Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Trade between Argentina and Great Britain, 1825, (after the Argentina take possession, 1820).
“If you carefully read the memorandum of December 1910, surely must have realized that Argentina's attitude is not ridiculous or childish. I had assumed that our right to the Malvinas Islands was irrefutable. This is far fr
I'm not 'Saxon'. I'm half Irish and half St Helenian and my partner's Chilean. What was your point, again?
The Duke of where? 1910, you say? And what has this to do with me?
Are you wanting me to be treated like the Chagossians were, or not? It's hard to tell.
“While the Committee believes that the historical evidence is finely balanced, we are forced to conclude that the weight of evidence argues for the position of Argentine bonds to the islands, at least the eastern islands, which was, while the British occupation in 1833, more substance than it was or is accepted by government officials in the UK. In this conclusion we are supported not only by the evidence we were given during the investigation but also by doubts on this matter were repeatedly expressed by British officials during the early part of the century”, Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Commons, in 1982.
Goodness me, how you do get excited over a country where people are allowed to have a different opinion, and speak it without fear. Your reporting one side of a debate is utterly meaningless. It works like this; someone speaks on one side, then someone speaks on the other side, and a consensus is reached. We know what that was in 1982.
The day you show me evidence of someone speaking in your parliament in 1982 against the government I might start getting interested.
Still no change to the current situation, still no RG flag limply hanging from a pole, still no strategy, still no idea, still no world support!
I'd suggest coming up with a plan of action!
Obviously, all that means England (the pirates) is force.
Thanks, to these people (the “piratones”) must continually remind the truth!
”Is the 60 million strong British bulldog really being wagged by its miniscule Falklands tail- or more precisely a hair on the tail, given that there are only 3,140( 2,563) Falklanders? In the 21st Century, can a European power hide its colonial claim to the oil resources under the sea bed of South America by sheltering behind the 'rights' of its colonists?
Britain must go, and in the end it will have to go; the issue is one of how and when”
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@ 28 ProRG_American
“ABIDE BY THE UN RESOLUTIONS! ABIDE BY INTERNATIONAL LAW!”
You are refering to BINDING UN Resolution 502, of 3 April 1982 (resolution text: daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/435/26/IMG/NR043526.pdf?OpenElement )
which
”1. Demands an immediate cessation of hostilities;
2. Demands an immediate withdrawal of all Argentine forces from the Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas);”
Argentina did not abide by this BINDING resolution, then why should the UK abide by the NON-binding resolutions?
““It is not at all clear to me that we never ever held sovereignty over these islands”, Duke of Wellington, Prime Minister, 1829.”
This is taken out of context, he continued:
“That which I would recommend is that the government of Buenos [Ayres] should be very quietly but very distinctly informed that His Majesty has claims upon Falklands Islands and that His Majesty will not allow of any settlement upon, or any cession to, individuals or foreign nations of these islands by Buenos Ayres, which shall be inconsistent with the King’s acknowledged right of sovereignty.
I think that this is all that can be done at present. It will have the effect of impeding any settlement or cession by Buenos Ayres and as we may suppose that the French and Americans will hear of this communication they will not be disposed to act in contravention to it unless determined upon a quarrel with this country.”
As we all know, the dispute was settled in the 1850 peace treaty, wherein Argentina ceded the Falkland Islands to Britain.
“VII. Under this convention perfect friendship between her Britannic Majesty’s government and the government of the Confederation, is restored to its former state of good understanding and cordiality.”
Only one islands is mentioned in the treaty: Martin Garcia in the Rio Uruguay delta.
This was later confirmed by two Argentine presidents and an Argentine vice president.
President Bartolomé Mitre 1865: “… no ha habido sino motivos para consolidar las relaciones amistosas que existen entre éste y aquellos gobiernos.” constitucionweb.blogspot.com.ar/2010/09/mensaje-del-presidente-de-la-republica_5176.html (Source: Heraclio Mabragaña, “Los Mensajes 1810-1910”, Buenos Aires 1910, vol. III, p. 227).
President Domingo Faustino Sarmiento: “El estado de nuestras relaciones exteriores responde á las aspiraciones del país. Nada nos reclaman las otras Naciónes: nada tenemos que pedir de ellas, sino es la continuación de las manifestaciones de simpatía con que de parte de pueblos y gobiernos ha sido favorecida la República por sus progresos y espíritu de justicia.” (Heraclio Mabragaña, “Los Mensajes 1810-1910”, Buenos Aires 1910, vol. III, pag. 286, which can be found in Biblioteca Nacional de la República Argentina, Agüero 2502, Recoleta, Buenos Aires, Argentina)
Vice-president Marcos Paz 1866: “Este mismo gobierno [británico] aceptó por árbitro al Presidente de la República de Chile, sobre perjuicios sufridos por súbditos ingleses en 1845. Aun no se ha resuelto esta cuestión que es la única que con aquella nación subsiste.” constitucionweb.blogspot.com.ar/2010/09/mensaje-del-vicepresidente-de-la_06.html (Original source: Heraclio Mabragaña, “Los Mensajes 1810-1910”, Buenos Aires 1910, vol. III, pag. 238)
Hurts dont it when there is nothing you can do about it? As i said before.....you have no strategy, so no outcome! I feel sorry for you lot having to post on topics that wont change......harharhar, pieces of eight says me parrot -
Long live the peaceful falklanders and their sheep, down with the wannabe RG empire
Argentina cannot reverse this determination.
They are still playing out in their minds the struggles of independence from the early 1800s. For them it was an heroic age, and they could do no wrong.
The fact that Spain, let alone Argentina, never had full control of the islands, as we also had a claim, will not enter into their heads.
European = wrong, South American = right is the only view they will entertain.
Most of these countries are simply going through the motions. We may as well move on as this proclomation actually proves nothing about the right or wrong of the Argentinan or our claims.
They've been saying “GB will have to go in the end” for the past 180 years, and they'll keep saying it for the next 180 years.
Yes - that's exactly how it works
There's nothing to negotiate - especially when the other party has sovereignty of the Falklands enshrined in their constitution. Where is the “negotiation” in that?
I give something and you give something and I get something and you get something and in the end we reach an agreement.
What can Argentina offer, which the Falkland Islanders want?
As seen from a Falkland Islanders’ point of view, the Argentine idea is “we get the islands and you get a completely erratic government, cleptomaniac politicians, lots of corruption, mismanagement, a much lower standard of living, high inflation, a possible future dictatorship as Argentina is used to … – what more can you want?”
What can Argentina offer, which the Falkland Islanders want?
ready for round 3?
thieves, cretins, cowards & liars.
Oct 11th, 2012 - 05:58 am
For instance. Another war between the UK and Argentina would be a win win situation for Argentinas 'supporters'.
War is bad for business. Argentina never really did recover from thier military adventurism of 1982 and psychologically they are never likely to get over it. Economically and politically they have been retarded and another war would probably finish the job.
Of course it wouldn't do the UK any good either but likewise, backing down would be even worse for Britain but for the rest of South America outside of Argentina? So long as they can avoid the inevitable political aftermath then a terminally fucked Argentina and a further economically weakened UK would only be a good thing.
I think my favourite aspect of this verbal arse kicking contest is how the Malvinistas give out the shit in shovel fulls then cry foul when the same shit is hurled right back at them. It sums up the Argentinian claim to me and Malvinistas in general. They can give it but they can't take it.
“It asked the Argentine settlers in 1833 if they wanted to be usurped”
Captain Onslow DID ask them if they wanted to stay, only four civilians asked to leave (Brazilians and Uruguayans).
So the civilians were happy with British Rule in 1833.
Your post suggests this but I suspect it is sarcastic.
Do you find it suprising that these proto Argentines (Argentina was not a state until the 1850s, another point you repeatedly ignore), chose British rule when the military authorites (usually synchronous with law and order) rebelled ripping the guts out of their commmander and raping his wife in front of his children?
You need to bone up on your history che instesd of loistening to the brainwashing you get at school-clearly a throwback to the ideas Peron picked up from Uncle Adolf and Uncle Benito during the 1940s
you have to go soft on the Argentines.
If they buy an Argentine history book, they are served a load of half-truths, half-lies and lies, because very few Argentine historians dare tell the truth about the falklands dispute - they all know what happened to e.g. Borges, when he mispleased the peronists.
The few Argentine historians who dare tell the truth are not dependent on government funds and find themselves ignored by all the “Malvinas Argentinas” nationalists.
I must see if they sell them on Amazon-I guess they are filled with cartoons of pirates and pictures of the Falkland Islanders dressed up in red coats and pith helmets aimed at people would have never heard of the term 'referencing.'
Or would such a book portray the islanders living in caves perhaps?
I would imagine the forward to the book would read “Remember history as learned from the great Adolf Hitler teaches us, if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth”.
When are you going to educate YOURSELF instead of perpetuating the lies you learnt at school. A good start could be made by reading “THE CASE OF ARGENTINA” by Carlos Escude, which can be found on the internet.
A man of considerable learning he lays bare the lies spread by the Peronists and the ramifications with respect to the population who have been misled so badly by the Hitleresque Peronistas.
He also makes some very good points regarding the 1982 war and deflates the egotistical nonsense about AG 'could have won'.
Anyhow, we all know that Argentina doesn't really think they own the islands, they just want to take the pressure away from their failing economy. That is what they did last time and they are repeating it again. Thus we are supposed to learn history and not repeat our same mistakes. But I guess the Argie government doesn't teach that stuff do they? Another reason to eliminate the government education system because it only gets used to brain wash the children.
Everything will have to change,this the rule of nature.
I am certain that Your face skin will ruck up in the near future.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 09:10 pm
Here we go again, Chori Tetra Queen and her gang of gayboys screaming again about the Falklands. It's funny that Kretina keeps going on about this even though her country Argentina is crumbling around her. And her cabinet of ministers are also a bunch of screaming queens, they are all closet gays, like most men in Argenitna, they love to swing both ways. If you are straight in Argentina it's amazing how the guys all look at each other's crotches as you walk in the street, they are always trying to grab your buttcheeks, and if you shake an Argentine guys hand they always squeeze extra hard and then rub a finger in the middle of your palm. Nothing wrong wtih being gay, but I don't know who is taking care of the Argentine women since the guys are all doing each other? Maybe that is why the women are all so bitchy, we call them mal atendidas.
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lol, that is so true what you said and the women are reeeeaally bitchy..many of them are gorgeous, but their temper is really bad.
lol, “mal atendidas”
1 Rob williams.more shit you will!! greetings
The Falklands Will Never Be Argentine - Prof. Carlos Escudé, Ph.D. , Argentine National Council of Scientific Research (CONICET), Universidad Torcuato Di Tella, Buenos Aires.
en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Future_of_the_Falkland_Islands_and_Its_People/The_Falklands_Will_Never_Be_Argentine
I do not see that that phrase is taken out of context. What you clearly transcribed by British strategy to seize the Malvinas arrogating rights over them. “I think that this is all that can be done at present”. Adds nothing different.
75 St.John
Arana-Southern Treaty in no way relates to the Malvinas, but only at the end of the British blockade to Buenos Aires and if not named Las Malvinas, is because there is absolutely nothing to the case. Treaty is a different matter.
Incidentally, another aggression over our country by the arrogant English who tried it was resolved by the English when they realized they were never going to turn our will to maintain absolute jurisdiction under Argentina, inland rivers.
And in no other of its citations, reference is made specifically to the Malvinas.
Reproduce the protest filed by Ambassador Manuel Moreno in London 1842 with official:
“The undersigned, in execution of duties under his instructions, is the need to express, to the silence of the United Provinces is not interpreted as a tacit assent, that the United Provinces can not and will never settle with resolution of the government of SMB... they consider unjust and contrary to their obvious rights; reproduce their protests of JUNE 17, 1833 and DECEMBER 29, 1834, against the sovereignty that has assumed the crown of Great Britain in the Malvinas Islands, and against dispossession and dispossession perpetrated against establishment of the Republic in Puerto Luis, also known as Puerto Soledad, the SMB corvette Clio are owed, so by any act resulting from the occupation: accordingly, the government of the United Provinces deposited these heads and leaves all the value currently and at ANY OTHER TIME MIGHT HAVE.”
Oct 11th, 2012 - 12:10 am
You pasted: “It is not at all clear to me that we never ever held sovereignty over these islands”, Duke of Wellington, Prime Minister, 1829.“
This is a double negative and could be rewritten as: “It is VERY clear to me that we HAVE ALWAYS held sovereignty over these islands”, Duke of Wellington, Prime Minister, 1829.”
By there own rules, they get the Falklands,
We get Patagonia, Chile gets its land back so does Paraguay, Uruguay , Bolivia ,
All get there land /territory .
The argentine republic comes back into being, and its shrinks to less than one third it is today,,,
There,, problem solved..
ah but but but if if not fair bla bla bla
hahahahahahaaaa....
Arana-Southern Treaty: “... restoring PERFECT RELATIONS OF FRIENDSHIP, in accordance with the wishes manifested by both Governments ...”
Tratado Arana-Southern: “... restablecer LAS PERFECTAS RELACIONES DE AMISTAD, en conformidad á los deseos manifestados por ambos gobiernos ...”
Of course there are no references neither to the Isle of Man, nor to the Faeroe Islands, nor to the Falkland Islands, nor to Newfoundland, nor to any other island over which there were no dispute between Britain and Argentina.
1865: “... THERE WAS NOTHING TO PREVENT the consolidation of friendly relations between this country and those governments.”
1865: “... NO HA HABIDO SINO MOTIVOS para consolidar las relaciones amistosas que existen entre éste y aquellos gobiernos.”
1866: ”damages suffered by English subjects in 1845. THIS QUESTION, WHICH IS THE ONLY ONE between us and the British nation“
1866: ”perjuicios sufridos por súbditos ingleses en 1845. Aun no se ha resuelto ESTA CUESTIÓN QUE ES LA ÚNICA que con aquella nación subsiste.“
1869: ”The state of our foreign relations fulfils the aspirations of the country. Nothing is claimed from us by other nations; WE HAVE NOTHING TO ASK OF THEM“
1869: ”El estado de nuestras relaciones exteriores responde á las aspiraciones del país. Nada nos reclaman las otras naciónes: NADA TENEMOS QUE PEDIR DE ELLAS ...”
It is obvious from the texts that after the ratfication of the 1850 treaty that there were no longer any undecided dispute, except for the damages suffered by English subjects in 1845.
not new,
on 25 june 1996 almost all especially Mercosur plus Bolivia,Chile expressed in Decleration of Potrero de los Funes all their full support of Argentina ' rights of sovereignty over Malvinas Islands,South Georgia and South Sandwich and their surrounding maritime space ,sending a clear message from subregional bloc on the need to find a solution to the controversy..reiterated in Asuncion Decleration 1999..1n 2006 Mecrosur again repeated the 1996 decleration commitment..which reach a prompt solution in comformity with the resolutions and declerations of the UN and the Organization of American States.
“resolutions and declerations of the UN ”
Which (2065) include Independence and the interests of the Falkland Islanders which cannot be met by Argentina.
Sorry, but if both countries are going to talk about the Malvinas, talk about the Malvinas. Therefore, all your appointments are not valid for this issue. The proof can be seen in my appointments in the number 61 and 63 of the English themselves.
We have many claims before the creation of the United Nations and from it from 1960 onwards .....
..still i have to wonder, why on earth are they backing Argentina like this, why can't they just shut up and take a neutral position? and many of these countries have running legal actions against Argentina..
weird politics..
And please can one of the malvinists who repeatedly used to post “ the world is behind our claim” (you know who u are), please show some grace and explain why you lied to us! Clearly the world is not behind you and it's not nice to lie your parents should have told you that!
Long live the Falklanders, may they continue to live in peace, and continue to make large wads of cash! Down with the greedy self-inflated ex colonial powers who now wish to steal a small happy populations home and way of life!
“protest filed by Ambassador Manuel Moreno in London 1842”
The year 1842 comes BEFORE the year 1850 and thus BEFORE the peace treaty.
from Alfredo Becerra: “Protestas por Malvinas, 1833-1946”, ISBN-13: 978-9879998922, Caja Editora, Buenos Aires, June 1998.
25.1. Mantiene el reclamo. De Moreno a Palmerston. 31 de julio de 1849.
26. La cuestión permanece en el estado descripto. De Palmerston a Moreno. 8 de agosto de 1849.
[NO protests after 1850 until the BRITISH protest in 1884]
27. Protesta por un mapa. De Monson a Ortiz. 15 de diciembre de 1884.
Argentine protests until December 1849; NO Argentine protests after the treaty of 1850.
There really isn't anything to talk about, except a stop to the silly Argentine harrassment of the Falkland Islands.
Did you read “The Falklands Will Never Be Argentine”, Prof. Carlos Escudé, Ph.D. , Argentine National Council of Scientific Research (CONICET), Universidad Torcuato Di Tella, Buenos Aires ?
en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Future_of_the_Falkland_Islands_and_Its_People/The_Falklands_Will_Never_Be_Argentine
It tells the sad truth about “Malvinas Argentinas”.
No British government will simply hand them over, regardless of whether you have international support or not! And in fact can not make that happen!
So keep posting, keep up the rhetoric, in the knowledge that neither you, or your flea circus governments can do bugger all about it!
Long live the Falklanders, may they continue to live in peace, and continue to make large wads of cash! Down with the greedy self-inflated ex colonial powers who now wish to steal a small happy populations home and way of life!
..but yeah, not buy argie-products, yes buy British products and choose a bottle of Chilean wine instead of argie-wine, that's not much, but i'll do my part.
the cunning tactics of malvineros really work
What is there Argentinian to buy ?
It was just a coincidence, but I was drinking a glass of Cimarosa Cabernet Sauvignon reading this post - I think I will have a refill as it is rather good.
Only thing i can make of is wine and there's always the Chilean bottle next to it.
@113 Then why don't you go live in there if it's such a great country?
You should do it and put all your money in Argentinian bank account.
Small wretched kelper:
All this discussion shows the eternally stupid arguments null pirates to seize the alien, insisting on a treaty (of 1849 NO 1850, study a little more) that has nothing to do with the custión MALVINAS ARGENTINAS. It was the British surrender to Rosas and the withdrawal of the invaders before greeting the Argentine flag with 21 guns.
Also this stupid argument with absolute evidence shows that there is a conflict (generated by England) only two (2) parts: England (the country thief) and Argentina Republica and that the inhabitants of the Malvinas Argentinas, the born there as outsiders, have NOTHING SAY about as certified over 40 UN resolutions.
And here I end the discussion.
As we all know, because it has been shown over and over again using official Argentine documents, this was confirmed by two Argentine presidents and an Argentine vice-presidents.
The NON-binding UN resolutions were invalidated when Argentina started an unprovoked military attack on The Falkland Islands in 1982.
The only BINDING UN resolution in the Falkland Islands dispute, No. 502 of April 1982 was ignored by Argentina.
José Malvinero: “And here I end the discussion.” - wise of you, as you have been shown wrong all the time.
Wrong once again.
As everybody knows the Falkland Islands are British, no matter how much you SHOUT otherwise, and your arguments against reality are shot down again and again.
What you reckon? 3 more years before UK is in so much shite we just can send your troops home without complaints? 5?
It's all a matter of time :)))) tic tac tic tac
With SA booming like never before. Weird coincidence, but when you lot are in shite, we are doing great. Great future awaits us :)))
I really hope there is a great future for Uruguay (AG can go burn in hell).
Hopefully the Chin will be getting on with estimating and designing the deep sea port and the new tranch of exploration licences result in oil eventually coming to us unless your mates try to steal it like they do everything else.
What would you do if / when that happened, which country would you back, or am I wrong?
You are a bitter twisted little person , are you not.
If, as you say, we are all doomed, then it would be cheaper keeping the troops in the Falklands than in the UK. The accommodation is there along with the infrastructure. Plenty of fish in the local waters, so food is not a problem.
When you lead the invasion force with your shiny new licence to float, you will get a warm welcome.
By the way Guzz, no one in South-America is backing your claim. No one cares, they don't give a shit about Argentina. No one likes Argentinians, they all say argies are arrogant fucktards. I have been traveling all over Latin America and i always asked people, what do you think about Argentinians, and they would respond something like: “son arrogantes, no me gusta”
“against the invasive lots that are the yanquis and the english.”
Wrong.
It was Argentina that invaded the Falkland Islands in 1982, the UK did not invade Argentina.
Argentina are the invasive lot because they actually, did, invade.
THE MALVINAS WERE, ARE AND WILL BE ARGENTINE
THE MALVINAS WERE, ARE AND WILL BE ARGENTINE
THE MALVINAS WERE, ARE AND WILL BE ARGENTINE
THE FALKLANDS WERE NEVER, ARE NOT AND WILL NEVER BE ARGENTINE X 10 TO THE POWER 1000
No salame
Everyone might say Porteños are arrogant, not Argentines :)))
And all of SA backs Arg, as they just showed you, Canada being your friendly voice in SA :)))
Ah poor Guzz living in denial, blinding himself with dreams of a united SA ruling over the Falklands. Just one problem with that, you and your colleagues have no way of getting said islands.
To be fair, as long as the Brits are out, I don't care who the islands are...
Do we care ? NO! Keep up your useless little talking shop They say yes, we agree just to get rid of you, Then, thank God they've gone.
I know it's hard to be continually humiliated, but, it's one of life's lessons and burdens you will have to bear with equanimity.
“To be fair, as long as the Brits are out, I don't care who the islands are...”
Hopefully in the future the Islands will develop enough to be independent, then things will be be fixed, and the OAS (if they are not too stupid to include the Falklands) will have strong links with Europe, the British Commonwealth and the USA (who are rightly treating Argentina like a bad smell at the moment).
But fortunately seeing as we keep hearing resolution 2065 is so important from Malvanista posters, the UK is looking after the 'Interests' of the islands.
So what if all of South America supports Argentina, any scholar only has to examine history to see their claim is cock-eyed?
conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2012/10/luke-coffey-the-uk-should-confront-argentina-over-its-debt.html
'General Assembly - CPSD/508 - 12/10/2012'
The representative of the United Kingdom has, in turn, exercised its right of reply after the remarks by Venezuela and the Plurinational State of Bolivia. She explained that his country had no doubt about its sovereignty over the Islands “ Falklands ”, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands. She added that the relationship between the UK and these territories was a modern relationship based on the right of peoples to choose their future. The United Kingdom attaches great importance to the principle of self-determination and allow the people of the Islands “ Falklands ”to decide their political future through a referendum to be held in 2013, she recalled.
Responding to the representative of the United Kingdom, the representative of Argentina reiterated that the islands “Malvinas” South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands and the surrounding maritime areas are an integral part of Argentine territory. These territories are the subject of a sovereignty dispute and are illegally occupied by the United Kingdom. He urged the United Kingdom to return to the negotiating table with Argentina to find a just and lasting solution to the question of the islands. He denounced all references made by the United Kingdom for a referendum to be held in 2013, calling the approach “action encouraged by the British to whether British citizens wish to remain British.” These areas, which are the subject of a dispute colonial, are illegally occupied by the United Kingdom, concluded the representative.'
www.un.org/News/fr-press/docs/2012/CPSD508.doc.htm
Did anyone notice that Arifu is nowhere to be seen on this thread??
He leaves it to others to denounce and demand the Falklands.
TTT to his credit, always when pushed, denied that Argentina should take the Falklands.
What does Arifu say about them???
Ingleses odiosos!
Viva FALKLANDS
ARGENTINAS odiosos!
VIVA FALKLANDS!!
SUSSIE ODIOSOS!!!
Remember Sussie?
This is how he described himself:
“She lives in Las Vegas=good food, easy money from slots machine and fun.
She is very independent and don't need your comments.
Viva Sussie!”
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