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Gibraltar condemns Spanish policy of deliberate delays at the border crossing
The Gibraltar Government strongly condemned the lengthy and deliberate delays to cross the frontier into Spain which have been experienced by Gibraltarians and visitors to Gibraltar. Chief Minister Fabian Picardo, currently in London has already been in touch with the UK Government and urged them to take up the matter with Spain at the highest level Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI can't see what Spain hopes to gain from this behaviour. It looks similar to the type of revenge one used to glean in the primary school playground when somebody not approved kicks your ball.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hispanics again !
Oct 15th, 2012 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another failing economy. What can they do. Copy Argentina's vendetta against the Falklands. Obviously it must be Gibraltar's fault - at least it MAY take the heat off the main problem.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0It seems to be a peculiar Hispanic solution.
Like argieland, Spain hasn't figured out how to be a democratic country yet. Look at Catalonia. In the UK, a dopey Scotsman with delusions of grandeur wants Scotland to be independent. The list of things he hasn't thought of or ignores is unending. And yet he has a following. Because around 28% of the Scots rednecks don't have the brain to ask questions and demand answers. Spain is similar. Hundreds of years of autocracy. Followed by years of dictatorship. And the place can still be whipped into nationalistic fervour by mentioning a tiny little independent place. Why don't they leap out of their prams if Andorra is mentioned? Because on the other side of the border is big, bad France? Difficulty is that France is very nearly as bad as they are. The only way to deal with these people is a very large stick. In the case of Gibraltar, remilitarise the place. Deploy a couple of frigates to home-port there. Post an Army Air Corps squadron with Apache gunships. Double the size of the Royal Gibraltar Regiment and re-introduce the artillery role with long-range artillery and missile batteries. Remind the Spanish that a country's territorial waters used to consist of those that a cannonball could hit. In the Falklands, increase the land forces to Division strength, i.e. between 10,000 and 30,000 troops. Increase the air component to a full squadron of Typhoons. Increase the naval component to 4 patrol vessels and replace the current deployment from the UK so that a destroyer AND a frigate are on-station at all times. Let aviation and naval forces patrol AGGRESSIVELY with enemy air and sea assets being warned to leave the area or be fired on without a second warning. Don't take crap from latinos!
Oct 15th, 2012 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conqueror,
Oct 15th, 2012 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The current deployment in the Falklands is more than adequate to deal with any threat Argentina might pose. Sending more armed forces would be like using a fire engine to put out a match.
3 Clyde15 (#)-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH bECAUSE UK ECONOMY IS OK !! RIGHT' HAHAHAHAH SILLY!!!
Oct 15th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps Gibraltar should just close the gates,
Oct 15th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And make people go round,
inconvenience perhaps,
But a disaster for Spain.
[Try it] you have nothing to lose , yet...
HEY cONQUEROR? Who writes your librettos ? is a genius !!
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those scripts seem so real!!
nothing wrong with the UK ,
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just its leaders.
Hey rosy cheeks conqueror you were counselor Hittler war ?right? You should invest your time in learning Castilian lenguage.!
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conqueror - you do realise you sound as daft as Guzz et al don't you?
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 010 guts-bury
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would anyone dealing with LatAms like you, want to learn Castilian Spanish?
I soon learnt that was of no use when I came to Uruguay. Even the Uruguayo who go to Madrid have to admit they were not understood.
And AG is more vernacular than Uruguay. I am learning espanol (UYU) and have to learn that the AGs don't use it!
LOL
@5 Really? At which point did you become a military expert? You should read this: http://www.naval-history.net/NAVAL1982FALKLANDS.htm and then think. I refer you particularly to Part 7.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8 & 10 Turds for brains!
@11 I refer you to my remarks to Bongo. Do you know how may Spanish incursions there have been into BGTW in the last year and for which London has protested to Madrid? Do you know how many Gibraltarian lives have been placed at risk by the irresponsible actions of Spaniards who have been told by their government that Gibraltar has no territorial waters? These activities have included such actions as Spanish government vessels interfering with commercial vessels in BGTW, pointing weapons at Gibraltarian vessels inside BGTW, “detaining” Gibraltarian vessels in BGTW and forcing them to Algeciras and keeping them there for hours, interfering with Gibraltar law enforcement. And, on the “private” level, operating high-speed watercraft within yards of Gibraltar's shores at great risk to bathers, swimmers and the like. How would Falklanders like it if argie naval vessels sailed to within 100 yards of the shores of the Falkland Islands? So you, as well as Bongo, need to think. If you've got some valid point to make, make it. Otherwise, you're just making noise! Incidentally, I make the point that the Government of Gibraltar has asked the British government to respond “robustly”.
Spain is just looking for a distration,
Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0camaron does not want a distraction,
or his military cuts would fall apart,
gibralterians just need to [how we say]
givem all a nudge .
@Conqueror. I wouldn't bother increasing the presence on Gibraltar. The “sloppies” fight in their flip-flops. A bunch of old women with wooden spoons could take them on and win...
Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2012/08/29/actualidad/1346229871_611962.html
Kinda makes the spannish, two faced does it not.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and the EU is just as guilty, by allowing the spannish to abuse EU law and agreements to abuse the gibratariens,
after all it might upset the apple cart , and their dream of a federalist European nation.
just a thought.
still,
watch the sparks fly when we pull out..
I have always read in this forum that the attitude of Spain to Gibraltar is an example of maturity and pragmatism that should be copied by Argentina.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now it seems that the situation is changing .. it would be good for the Gibraltar authorities to ask for assistance to the FI to minimize the impact of a government blockade from their neighbors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta
Hypocrisy?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta
Seems to be endemic
Conqueror,
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you don't believe the current deployment in the Falklands is adequate to counter the terrible threat Argentina obviously poses?
Funny, I seem to remember the commander at Mt. Pleasant saying on TV that he thought his forces were up to the job.
Maybe you know more than he does.
As for Gibraltar, do the Spanish think delaying cross-border traffic is going to force the British into handing over the territory?
I don't think Conqueror has any sense of diplomacy, budgetary responsibility or proportionality.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where is the army supposed to pluck a division from for a start - and what use is artillery on Gibraltar? Are we going to declare war on Spain?
Spain has always problems with the traffic, so i understand them well.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it bothers you so muchhhhhhhh, just UK should be sending flights many flights to London. Or perhaps pay more taxes when entering in Spain so they will do quick. If nothing of this is a solution, send all gibraltarians to UK and dont bother.
19//20
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0only a fool underestermates his enemie.
malen
go back to your silly shell.
you losers complain to much.
#6
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0)-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH bECAUSE ARGENTINE ECONOMY IS OK !! RIGHT' HAHAHAHAH STUPIDO!!!
is 6 susan.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we say poss,
what a lovely ambassadorrrrrrrrrrr
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=658645
Is it yours???? Nice curls. Silly comments.
malen you spend all day searching for anti British crap,
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet enslave your own people,
Two faces has nothing on you lot,
May we suggest you ask CFK or your trolling supervisor for a different script.
[sticks and stones]
sorry, is it in all argie newspaperssssssssssssssss
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0things that happen.
newspapers are there to sell papers,
Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0after all, no one reads boring news,
so one should not always belive what you read in the papers.
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I do believe in newspapers, because your ambassador wrote it on a tweet, and the newspapers copy it.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0never had a tweet,
Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but one hears a lot of wishfull mistakes on them.
Wouldn't Argentines love to cross a border that has 5 hours being the longest wait time ever?
Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cheap news I'm sure the Spaniards that work in Gib (and there are a lot) are well impressed and vice versa, a lot of tourists visit Gib and cross the border to Spain to have a look see so I guess Spain are just denying themselves much needed tourist revenue. Gib is very well off and laughing as we speak. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, sound familiar rg trolls
Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19 You are amazingly complacent. I assume that means that you aren't on the Falklands. The commanding officer of the Gibraltar Squadron says the same thing. Let me ask you to describe how a 24 tonne vessel such as HMS Scimitar combats a 1200 tonne Serviola-class patrol boat? The Serviola-class is a little slower. But if Scimitar gets under its bow, it's matchwood. I assume that you don't follow news from Gibraltar. I do. Stuff the cross-border delays, that's just an irritation. What happens in BGTW is more important.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20 Diplomacy? What sort of brainless, ignorant twerp are you? At last count, 48 unwarranted invasions of BGTW this year! Plus illegal incursions by Spanish fishermen and criminals. Sorry, all Spaniards are criminals. As are all argies. As well as being scum. Budgetary responsibility? Here's budgetary responsibility, you budgerigar. Watch the Spanish back off from a real British military presence. And the promise that it can all return in 48 hours. Plus the same sort of actions by British forces as the Spaniards undertake. Proportionality? Were I in charge Rota naval base would be a smoking ruin. As for artillery? See if you can get up the brain to research the original concept of “territorial waters”. It was those waters that could be commanded by shore batteries. Does your “knowledge” go back far enough to recognise that “appeasement” doesn't work? Or have you not got that far in junior school yet? Look up Singapore. Massive defences. All pointing seaward. No use when the Japanese attacked from the Malay Peninsula, were they? I am convinced that you and Bongo are about 12 years old. Try to get this through your thick skulls. Argieland and Spain are ENEMIES. Therefore, smile, shake hands and don't turn your back. For now, don't waste my time again until you can manage intelligent comment!
@21 Probably won't be a problem after British tanks have cleared the peninsula of foreigners.
@27 & 29 argie newspapers? argie toilet paper. Covered in shit!
By the way rg trolls Spain fooking hates you
Oct 15th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain, please just roll in with your tanks and evict those English Wannabees.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why do the Gibs want to drive into Spain ????
Oct 15th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it because they are driving to their villas in Spain? and escaping from that rat hole called Gibraltar. Or is it because they are driving into Spain to buy cheap fuel for their cars? or is it that they are driving into Spain to buy cheap goods and services? or is that they are driving to see a good flamenco show and good food?? (and get away from that boringGibraltar) or is because they are seeking good medical care on the Spanish side??
no wonder they are willing to line up for hours...so would I!!!
35 ProRG_American (#)
Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain, please just roll in with your tanks and evict those English Wannabees
we see you play computer games,
ever tried rolling tanks across a narrow open space,
yep you are the computer maniac.
Erm, aussie sunshine, if you had taken the time to read any of the reports in the Spanish press, you'd know by now that the vast majority of those caught up in the queues at the Gib frontier are... Spanish.
Oct 16th, 2012 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0So what if some Gibraltarians own villas in Spain. Most of the property along the CDS is owned by foreigners - and Spain should be bloody grateful of the investment in their country, particularly from people with currencies other than the Euro.
Fuel is much cheaper in Gibraltar than Spain. I filled my car up there the other day and it cost a shade under £60. In Spain to fill the same car now costs nearly €90.
Cheap goods and services in Spain? It depends on which goods and services you talk about, but on the whole most things are cheaper in Gibraltar. And every time a Gibraltarian buys something in Spain, do you think they get the 21% IVA back? I don't think so... Talk about keeping the Spanish economy afloat, not to mention all the EU money - Spain was not due to become a net contributor to the EU budget until 2013 according to the last budget, now with the bailouts etc it never will. And guess who will be picking up the bill?
Good flamenco and good food? See above re villas. The Spanish people selling those “services” should be bloodly thankful of the custom in times like these. Esp since it brings foreign currency £££ into the country.
Medical care in Spain for Gibraltarians is fully paid for by the Gibraltar government. Which is more than can be said for the many millions of Spaniards cheating their own system, working for black money while claiming the paro at the same time.
Without Gibraltar the Campo would be f**cked!
*38 Let me see I checked the cost of living on some products from both countries.
Oct 16th, 2012 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0potatoes per kilo spain 0.80 pounds Gib 1.25
oranges 1.20 1.75
beer 1.20 2.00
apples 1.50 2.00
loaf of white bread 500kg .90 1.90
combo meat burger
mcdonalds 6.50 7.48
This is only a small example. source www numbeo.com
I would stand in line to if I lived in Gib with these prices.
cheers
Anyone can edit Numbeo Aussie sunshine. I'd hardly call it an accurate or even independent website, and like I said, it depends on the goods or services. There are lots of things which are MUCH cheaper in Gibraltar (see my comment above re fuel), just one example. Electrical goods another. And don't forget that Gib salaries are much higher than Spanish ones so it would be more accurate to show the cost of those items as a % of income. Much lower in Gibraltar than Spain, even for the things which are more expensive in Gibraltar in absolute terms.
Oct 16th, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've never heard of a 500kg loaf of bread btw...
*40 I agree with you on the Gib salaries JA Roberts.By the way are goods easily imported from Spain? or is there red tape involved?
Oct 16th, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0cheers.
come now, gentlemen,
Oct 16th, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0gibralter is british.look
GIBRALTAR WILL REMAIN BRITISH, CO-OPERATION IS THE FUTURE – PICARDO DECLARES AT GIBRALTAR DAY
BRITISH AND PROUD
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=26355
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The Rock’s rockin’ with warships as Cougar task force visits Gibraltar
16/10/2012
Gibraltar Harbour bristled with battleship as four of the six ships assigned to the Royal Navy’s
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=26355
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'UK forces in Israeli / US exercise'
British forces are to take part in a large air and defence exercise between Israel and the US as tensions over Iran’s nuclear programme continue.
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=26355
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anyone wishes to disagree on this point..
Good news that the gib regiment is expanding its role and won't be cut
Oct 16th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you dont understand, that you cant say other countries what they have to do becuase you want things like that, perhaps other countries doesnt want to cooperate with you, and its also a good and reasonable position you will have to accept. You are and never were, the good boys in this history, so its perfectly understable the situation.
Oct 16th, 2012 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try to use more links with UK, use more your planes, spend more money in a land you wanted to be british. Its not problem of Spain.
#44
Oct 16th, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may not have noticed that the UK/Spain are members of the EU and NATO. The UK is duty bound to assist Spain in any external threat to the country. As a member of the EU and a net contributor to the EU budget, UK has been obliged to pay for improvements to Spanish infrastructure from our tax revenues.
We import more from Spain than we export. More Spanish fishing boats fish in UK waters than UK boats. Large numbers of Spanish youth come to the UK seeking work and we have to pay unemployment benefits to them.
Large numbers of UK citizens have retired to Spain and boosted their property and services market.
Spain does rather well from the UK without starting this nonsense again. Each time this happens, there seems to be s crisis in their country.
Now where else could I use as a model for comparison ?.
You can be members of the same club, but you dont have to be friends.
Oct 16th, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont think they share much things with you in all aspects.
And traffic is always terrible in frontiers.
A pity you are always crying when you cant do thinks the only way: the way YOU like. What do you offer them?? Nothing. And on the contrary stack on not talking about sovereignity. So. Spain can also stack on other things. If it bothers, a pity.
46
Oct 16th, 2012 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are just confusing.
listen please.
45 is correct.
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@Aussie sunshine 44. Very easy to do. Both part of the EU. There is a small amount of red tape relating to import duties, as Gibraltar is not part of the customs union.
Oct 17th, 2012 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0spain could close her side of the gates,
Oct 17th, 2012 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why not we wonder,
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