Monday, November 5th 2012 - 14:51 UTC

Majority of Argentines believe Cristina Fernandez is losing control of government

A majority of Argentines disapproves of President Cristina Fernandez but more significantly 40% believe she is losing control of her administration and another 20% consider it a fact, according to Sergio Berenztein from the respected pollster Poliarquía.

The Argentine president will face a great test on N8

“The situation is critical. If the government persists with the decisions implemented so far this could lead to a crisis or at the least the sustained erosion could continue”, said Berenztein during a presentation before the Buenos Aires Chamber of Commerce that contracted him to explain what was going on in Argentina.

According to the latest polls from Poliarquía, 40% of interviews indicate that Cristina Fernandez is losing control of her administration and 20% believe she has already lost the control.

“This is the most unfavourable moment for Cristina Fernandez and Kirchnerism” which since the windfall victory of October 2011 has had to deal with the major corruption and influence peddling scandal involving her hand picked Vice-president Amado Boudou; the disastrous management of the railway system which in a recent accident in Buenos Aires main station killed 51 people and her government’s ferocious attempts to restrict foreign exchange and force Argentines to save in Pesos. The so called ‘dollar clamp’ which Cristina Fernandez denies publicly point blank.

Disappointment against her administration has seen (heard) at several spontaneous (through social webs) saucepan banging protests so far from mostly middle and upper class, but the unions are also aligning behind for the next major demonstration scheduled for November 8.

N8 has caused great unease in Government House because intelligence reports indicate it could turn out to be the largest protest against Kirchnerism since 2003, even greater than the one organized in support of farmers in 2008 which convened tens of thousands in Buenos Aires.

Furthermore the insistence with the re-re-election project (which needs a constitutional review) seems to have backfired according to the polls which indicate a massive rejection of the review (66%) and even more of Cristina Fernandez running in 2015 (82%).

Poliarquía also points out that by 2015 the Kirchner couple would have ruled Argentina for over twelve years and a fatigue process is only natural, with a renewal call from voters, which even leaving the current political and economic foundations want fresh faces, a new generation of leaders.

This however has not impeded the ultra ‘K’ to launch the project “Cristina for ever”. Congress member Diana Conti argued last week openly that alternation in office is “nonsense” and should be left for the people to decide.

This generated an immediate reaction from 28 opposition Senators who last week pledged their commitment to reject any proposal from the Executive to review the constitution. This is a powerful barrier until at least December 2013, following the mid term elections when the number could change, although only seven of the 28 seats will renewed in October next year.

No wonder then that senior Senator from Santa Fe, Carlos Reutemann, several times invited to run for the presidential office, and a harsh critic of the current government’s ruling strategy has stated that “the image of President Cristina Fernandez has greatly deteriorated”.

He added that the upcoming legislative elections next year are to be “hugely important and a great challenge for the government” and anticipated that. Buenos Aires province governor Daniel Scioli would be “the candidate to succeed President Cristina Fernández in the 2015 election”.

As to his own presidential aspirations, they have been put ‘on hold’.

“This conversation has been had many a time and it’s not in my best interest to keep talking about it. There are still three years until the elections however, our entrance to the race is for the moment being stored” said Senator Reutemann.
 

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1 Britworker (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
Oh dear, the end is nigh I think.
2 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
Blame the Falkland Islands!
3 Islas Malvinas (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
Are you guys in insular Argentina joining the N8?
You could joing your fellow countryman!
4 ElaineB (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
Yes, her ministers are pissed off that she lets Fat Max and his gang of thugs dictate policy. The cracks were always going to appear before the end of this year.
5 LEPRecon (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
Shouldn't that read losing control of her faculties?
6 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
Oh great, another biased Clarin poll! Keep dreaming haters, ma'am will remain in firm control until the last day of her administration, in 2015 at the earliest =) I predict she will gain new momentum from the eventual return of the frigate and the shutting down of the Clarin printing monopoly, letting her allies win the midterms on a constitutional reform ticket. Interesting that the right wing opposition are promoting Scioli though, he would be a disaster as President and hopefully the people who voted 71% for left candidates will see that as the kiss of death for him...
7 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 03:52 pm Report abuse
Yeah, thats how it always works in Argentina, if it's right or if it works, nationalise it until it isn't/doesnt.
8 yankeeboy (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 03:55 pm Report abuse
The main Farm Union said that most of the land currently under water (in BA province (about the size of NY State!!) won't be able to be planted this year.
2 years of bad crops and there is a good chance that some pikes will be looking for a few heads

BK when did anything you ever predict come to fruition? Your posts are ridiculous.
9 ChrisR (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
Only 3 days to D-day!

We will soon see if the support for TMBOA manages to overcome the will of the people.

What's the betting that FatBoy and La Camping It Up have the fight of their life if they turn out to 'manage' the demonstration.

It won't be long now, Tango 1 on standby yet?

Ha, ha.
10 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
Union's up in arms

Popularity down

The dollar clamp

Free press strangled

pending ecomonic collapse..............

aaahhhh but KFC / TMBOA / Ol' Turkey Neck / The Harpy is like a pack of cards.........

You need a heart to love her, a diamond to give her, a club to beat her and a spade to bury the b*tch!!!!!!
11 Pirat-Hunter (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
That's not true because Argentine around the world love and support CFK 100% it's the english community that will like to see CFK fail to place someone like menem, dhualde, videla or galtiery in power, so they can theft all Argentina's natural resources with IMF rules and dictatorship.
VIVA CFK! The best president Argentina had in 40 years, just to prove my point I invite anyone here to give us a name of a better Argentina president or even a candidate for that matter. Good luck looking for the niddle in the hey stack.
www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/
12 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
11 Pirat-Hunter

“ VIVA CFK! The best president Argentina had in 40 years”

That's like being the smartest kid with Downs Syndrome!!!

LOL

Let me ask you, do you ever feel like you're putting up deck chairs on the Titanic?
13 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
Could somebody who has experienced a saucepan demonstration please explain to me the finer art of one?

Does everyone have their own dedicated saucepan, do you just take one off the stove on your way out the door or do cheap purpose-built models get handed out by the demonstration organisers when you turn up? Please explain, I am intrigued.

Maybe it's not the same for everyone. Maybe Danny Baker on Radio 5 could add it to his sausage sandwich game.

On a less serious note:
6 BK
I think CFK should rename the ARA Libertad the ARA Islas Malvinas. If she ever gets her hands on it she can say “we have the Islas Malvinas!”

Chuckle chuckle.
14 Clyde15 (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
#11
How about Forrest Gump ?
15 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
12 tooldtodieyoung

Oh dear. From memory I'veclicked every post you've put on here but I suspect you didn't think this one through. I have no doubt that anyone who has been affected by someone with downs syndrome will be upset by that. I'm sure you meant no harm but that was offensive.

I've said things on here I've regretted too; it's easy to do. Let's all try to think about what we write.
16 Pirat-Hunter (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
With what I said on comment #11 I rest my case. Everyone here cheering the title are english not a single Argentine to speak of and that my friends is the lies the english feed themselves to go on stealing and murdering people around the world like the WMD excuse to murder Muslims and theft oil and natural resources.
Argentine around the world love and support CFK 100%, the best president Argentina had in the last 40 years, am still waiting to hear of some one better then CFK, anyone came up with a name yet? It shouldn't be hard if it's truth there should be at least one other name for each political party. Unless the title of this report is Taylor for war mongers, terrorists and filthy cowards.
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9646826/Argentina-told-to-seize-up-to-19.2bn-of-assets-from-Chevron.html
17 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
CFK:

The last Tango 01

youtu.be/yCkxso19PnU
18 jakesnake (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
@11 “That's not true because Argentine around the world love and support CFK 100%......”
Huh?? I hate to break it to you, but that couldn't be further from the truth.
That sounds similar to the Chavez supporters who say that Venezuelans in Venezuela and abroad adore Chavez. It's just....nuts.

The demise of her presidency will be nothing but great for the Argentine people.
19 Alexei (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 07:37 pm Report abuse
I'd be more concerned at her losing control of what little sanity she possesses.
20 Tinx (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
The Argentina sorrow that,

The Argentina Governments has regularly cycled among corrupt elites who cared nothing at all for the poor and socialist governments trying to redress the failure caused by elites who would the spend the country into bankruptcy and social disintegration ,followed by military juntas that try to clean up the mess,and that would then reinstall the corrupt elites.
This cycle effectively defines the Argentina History.

You could decorate many many detail this Country History

Just an example that ;

in 1930th years the corrupt elite overthrew the socialist president Hipolito Yrigoyen with the assistance of Standart Oil to install the right wing José Uriburu..later in order to preserve the wealth generated from Agricultural export to British Empire ,the Argentine government signed the scandalous “” ROCA RUNCIMAN “” trade agreement which allowed Britain to hoard its goods in Argentina while giving Argentina only a minimal exporting quota.....

that was just an example from Argentina History.

Do you want another examples ?

For example 1945 th years ..Peron..Credits..Britain connections.

a little ?..ok !

.........................1/4 foods British importing foods come from Argentina
on credit...during 1940 th years...
Britain was serious in debt to Argentina..when Peron demanded that Britain pay up,he nearly collapsed the British Economy and Britain had to ask to USA to intervene..............

-----------

I can see/say everything bluntly becouse I am a modest free man !
21 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
@20 tinx

“.........................1/4 foods British importing foods come from Argentina
on credit...during 1940 th years...
Britain was serious in debt to Argentina..when Peron demanded that Britain pay up,he nearly collapsed the British Economy and Britain had to ask to USA to intervene..............”

So, Britain paid up. Did Germany ?
Some have accused Argentina of War Profiteering.

Is Argentina paying up?

How many of you have a guaranteed seat on Tango 01 ???
22 briton (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
How the liars try to defend the undefendable.

Still,
Isn’t argieland a great country according to CFK.
23 Tinx (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
& 21

Peron purposefully picked unneccesary fight with Britain (he demanded Falkland Islands back in 1945 ) and USA,upset at Argentina's bullying of close near countries.

Peron's most scandalous money wasting was financing an Austrian war refugee Ronald Richter who claimed to have come up with a way to harness energy from cold fusion...who spent hundreds millions dollars on his scheme and caused international panic in 1951...when announced that Argentina has produced that fusion reactor before US/Russia made...for a month though sceptical worried that some Nazi refugees might actually pushed the Argentina run by Peron to the front of atomic race.
eventually the army ,which had installed Peron,overthrew him in 1955.
24 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
@22 briton

Hmmmm,

Trolls are quiet now...

Is Bitter Kirchnerist handing out the Emergency Playbooks... ???
25 briton (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
they have legged it to another easier blog lol.
26 Pirat-Hunter (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
#18 quit crying and prove me wrong name a better president or candidate for Argentina and you won't have to lie so much. I am Argentine and everyone in my family supports CFK 100%, I dear anyone to come up with a better candidate including you, but I am 100% sure no one can come up with a better candidate. That's why you are setting yourself up to be disappointed, I will be here to remind you and laugh at all of you again as usual. Bellow you will find the reasons we Argentines think CFK fights for Argentina and Latin America.

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9646826/Argentina-told-to-seize-up-to-19.2bn-of-assets-from-Chevron.html
27 Tinx (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
I haven't met any Argentinians at these forums.

You are all uncultured. ( just modest interpretation)
28 Pirate Love (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
Here we go, what will the dear supreme leader mysteriously suffer from this week? pregnancy? cancer? split-ends? low blood pressure no that was last week or maybe the usual, foot in mouth.
i predict she will be rushed into hospital before nov 8 with an incurable disease that will later be found as a false alarm, emerging with a fantastic pair of new tats.....just a thought
29 Tinx (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
Here is a proof !
30 Pirat-Hunter (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
We Argentine love CFK and from #11 to now I being proving it. Not even one name yet for a better candidate. And I can predict this thread will reach #100 comment before anyone can come up with a better candidate in Argentina then CFK. Why would anyone vote against her when she is cleaning up Argentina from polluters?
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9646826/Argentina-told-to-seize-up-to-19.2bn-of-assets-from-Chevron.html
31 ICFreedom (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
@26 - if i understand your statement & context, then by your logic your saying since your family and friends supports CFK 100% that this then translates to the rest of Argentina and we'll all be surprised when this turns out to be true? By that line of reasoning you've shown truly stunning ignorance of the outside world around you. You might try to be a little objective, because you couldnt be further from reality on this one.
32 Mrlayback (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
30#

Pick anyone from the N8 crowd, I bet every single one of them could do a better job than CFK .... PH, Can you be more pacific, what exactly has Cristina done to clean up Argentina for the better ?

Macri done ! b4#100
33 Pirat-Hunter (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
#31 awww no candidate yet? Do you need help? Try menem lol
We Argentine love CFK and from #11 to now I being proving it. Not even one name yet for a better candidate. And I can predict this thread will reach #100 comment before anyone can come up with a better candidate in Argentina then CFK. Why would anyone vote against her when she is cleaning up Argentina from polluters? www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9646826/Argentina-told-to-seize-up-to-19.2bn-of-assets-from-Chevron.html
34 kelperabout (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
Watch out CKF the writings on the wall. Soon you will be like the rest of the Argentines who you ripped off to get where you are. We call that pay back time.
35 ptolemy (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
CFK is clearly worried. In the last two weeks CFK supporters have been handing out pamphlets on my corner every Saturday. I noticed this weekend that a local La Campora office that had never been open (just rented,) opened up this Sat. CFK says they are not worried,..but they are, they really are. It could get dicy with the Brown Shirts,..(oh, I mean La Campora,) out there. Why don't you show up too, Pirat-Hunter,.. I'm going.
36 yankeeboy (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
We can only hope that she sends out La Campora on N8. That would be wonderful! You never know how the crowd will react. A couple dead on the streets is just how the Prez before Kirchner left via helicopter from Casa Rosada. Then 5 Prez in a week and a 300% devaluation the following week.

I will be so happy if history repeats itself on Thursday...

so happy
37 tempest_ttt (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
@24 troy
mind your own UK country
lol
38 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 10:09 pm Report abuse
#35 Looks like your experience shows people are rallying Cristina, excellent, the more leafletting and open offices the better!
39 ElaineB (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 10:12 pm Report abuse
'Argentines' not living in Argentina may love CFKC but, if it is true, why are they living in other countries?

The point is that the majority of Argentines LIVING IN ARGENTINA do not love her, think she is useless as a president and think she has lost control. That is far more valid.
40 Hook (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 10:34 pm Report abuse
CFK is not going anywhere. People say; Argentinians say; majority of Argentines don't want her, they don't like her..

if you ask any Venezuelan, do they want Hugo Chavez, they all say; we hate him...

yet, somehow he's still the president
41 ptolemy (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
@40
The word you are looking for is: dictatorship .
42 Hook (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 10:41 pm Report abuse
41@in some countries even the dead people vote..

in Russia they have huge anti-Putin rallies, it's only noise they make..
43 Bongo (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 12:21 am Report abuse
PH,

Just because you can't find a better candidate than CFK doesn't mean she's a good president.

It says a lot about the state of Argentine politics though.
44 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 12:52 am Report abuse
bk you love cfk leadership so much and hate the UK, why do you not immigrate there?
pirate hunter.....your love for argentina and cfk is a mere facade, for why else would you live in Canada
45 ptolemy (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 12:55 am Report abuse
@43
“Just because you can't find a better candidate than CFK,..”

Argentines are fearful of speaking out against their government and those who do, are usually investigated by AFIP, dragged into court, etc. It doesn't surprise me that no one wants to stick their head up. And yes, “It says a lot about the state of Argentine politics,..”
46 Pirat-Hunter (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 12:56 am Report abuse
#32 macri? Are we talking about the guy who couldn't pay Buenos Aires electric bill and decided to shut the light off? Yea sure for IMF and WTO someone like M-- - who takes such liberties with tax payers revenues might help them, but for regular Argentine who have to live on some expensive IMF hand out who do you think they will vote? CFK that's who. It doesn't surprise you mention Maric since he would be leading a gay parade on Sunday.
en.mercopress.com/2012/07/26/blackout-in-buenos-aires-plazas-and-public-spaces-until-it-pays-the-power-bill

#39 for the same reasons the Brits live in Malvinas Argentina, except we have legal status they don't. Correct me if I am wrong but if Argentina didn't love CFK, why did they elected her not once but twice? Or why are the elected member of parliament trying to amend the constitution to have her run again?

I will always encourage my countrymen to vote for CFK. Because the menem and videla type we already had them.
www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/

#40 are you sure your friends are from Venezuela? Because I think Chavez was democratically elected more then once, kinda odd don't you think? Tell your friends to vote for whom they like not for the person they hate.
#41 mid term referendum could hardly be considered anything else but democracy.
#42 and in other countries it doesn't matter whom they elect because the agenda is always the same.
47 ptolemy (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 01:10 am Report abuse
@46
Hey Pirat-Hunter thanks for not mentioning the Chevron argument / distraction again.
48 Pirat-Hunter (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 01:40 am Report abuse
#43 but it proves my point when we talk about current candidates, and unless there is another candidate there will be blood. Trust me.
#44 because I am free to come and go as I please. I don't have to fear some religious freak chopping of my limbs in some far away land.
#45 you have a good imagination, tell me are you living in Saudi Arabia?
#47 no problem.
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9646826/Argentina-told-to-seize-up-to-19.2bn-of-assets-from-Chevron.html
49 We got your Fragata (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 02:46 am Report abuse
We will soon see Kretina swimming in the sewer against the current, viva la reina KK!!
50 Mrlayback (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 03:02 am Report abuse
46#

Well.. Macri can't spend money he doesn't have. All Argentina's problems are the responisbility of the President - all of them. And the Argentine people will make sure she pays for it soon enough.
Because of her wonderful economic 'model' Argentina is teetering on the brink of bankruptcy and will soon topple If should continues her incompetents to lead a country. I will say one thing ! Macri might be just as controversial as Cristina in some peoples views but HELL he gets my vote If it means getting rid of this mafia government .......

BTW you never answered my question, what exactly has Cristina done to clean up Argentina for the better ?
51 Ayayay (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 03:20 am Report abuse
Just came in to say ALL ourcandidates for tommorow's elections are top quality.
52 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 06:12 am Report abuse
@46 Pirat ALEX VARGAS

“#32 macri? Are we talking about the guy who couldn't pay Buenos Aires electric bill and decided to shut the light off”

Of course, we all know that CFK tightly controls that money and with held it.
An attempt to make Macri look bad, but the BRAVE ARGENTINIAN PEOPLE saw thru that!!!

BACKFIRE ON CFK - she made the people live in misery and hardship, for her political gain, nothing more !!

LOL LOL LOl
53 brit abroad (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 06:38 am Report abuse
Pirate hunter

all peas from the same pod so except for the size of each pea, your question re best RG president is pointless!!

Oh and BTW your wild claim that 100% of the world (except brits) are behind KFC is a balatant untruth, so why bother posting? you are about as pointless as RG land, afterall, without football, and some salsa dancers, youve provided no positive impact worth noting on the world stage at any point in your history!!
54 Guzz (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 06:59 am Report abuse
Brit abroad
And you have invaded 9 out of 10 countries, killing women and children in the process.
I'll root for Arg football and tango...
55 brit abroad (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 09:26 am Report abuse
Guzz you are just as bad! What did I say?? Do u read and then ignore what u read purposely?

I said “positive” on the “world stage”! So Britain alone has contrabuted to a massive part of your everyday life through both political and technological innovation! RGs have contributed what? Sweet FA!

Now if you want to talk about negative impact, then I would agree that the British through history has done some awfull things, just like the Dutch, the Germans, the French, the Chinese, the Russians, the Spanish (your cousins)....... Shall I continue? Or do you now get my point?

I predict a very poor attempt at wit, or something more about Afghanistan!

BTW, the RG country was founded on killing native populations and in fighting amongst the other Latin American countries, where they (like others) committed atrocities,,,,, and don't forget throwing ure countrymen out of planes!

Big difference between u and I, is that you are blind, and I am not!
56 Mendoza Canadian (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 10:38 am Report abuse
According to the government all the problems are caused by Clarin...guess they don't have any mirrors. Did anyone see the videos of Moreno and his gang of thieves on the plane to Viet Nam? Disgusting. And as for those of you who think all is well here...well...you obviously don't live here. Nothing imported gets in and nothing is made here to replace those things. No one wants to invest in a company that might just be taken by the government.
57 Clyde15 (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 10:51 am Report abuse
#48-44
Yes you are free to come and go as you please because you live in a country founded on BRITISH DEMOCRACY !
58 ptolemy (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 11:42 am Report abuse
Pirat-Hunter, Guzz,..an article about you guys here: www.lanacion.com.ar/1524045-8-n-yo-no-voy-la-campana-web-para-neutralizar-el-efecto-del-cacerolazo
59 Pete Bog (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
@33
“We Argentine love CFK ”

Which is why you live in Canada...... typical Argentine logic that.

CFK has certainly been good for the Falkland Islands as her government's actions have thrust the long dormant FIG MLA's onto the world stage (took you lot long enough to pull your fingers out mind) to explain what really happens in the South Atlantic, and to dispute the Argentines poisoned version of history.

Now more and more journalists have visited the Islands to see that the Argentines have been spouting an endless stream of bullsh1t about the islands, not mentioning the antagonism built up by the Argentines with the USA, Spain, Ghana, Canada and just about anyone (even in South America) that they can attack, whilst portraying themselves as blameless.

In my opinion although I feel sorry for the Argentines, the continued presence of CFK will have exactly the opposite effect of what the Malvanistas wish.

Hopefully the ICJ will be involved and all the Argentine's crap about history and the denial of the UN Charter will be thrown out and propel the islands to more prosperity and further self-autonomy.

Can't wait to see a flood of journos visit the islands to report on the referendum next year. Another few nails in the coffin of Argentina's false claim, methinks after they leave thinking “This is not Argentina or a colonially oppressed people kept hostage by the military.”
60 ManRod (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 12:39 pm Report abuse
Guzz and BK packing their bags.... go! go! go!
61 St.John (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 02:31 pm Report abuse
@ 33 Pirat-Hunter

“We Argentine love CFK and from #11 to now I being proving it. Not even one name yet for a better candidate.”

You have shown time and again that don't have a clue to national economy and now you don't understand why nobody has given a name for a better candidate.

The simple reason is that one needs a deep knowledge of Argentine politicians in order to propose a candidate who is NOT corrupt - provided one such exists.

Roberto Lavagna could be a possible candidate except at 70 he is a too old, but at least he understands national economy.

“According to the latest polls from Poliarquía, 40% of interviews indicate that Cristina Fernandez is losing control of her administration and 20% believe she has already lost the control.” - but again, you don't understand what that means.

Let's see how N-8 unfolds.

As ElaineB asked: “'Argentines' not living in Argentina may love CFKC but, if it is true, why are they living in other countries?”

Why are you hiding in Canada instead of living in Argentina?
62 TipsyThink (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
52

your scapes are inépt or distráct ...

nòt Pirat ALEX VARGAS

thats all Pirat-Think !
63 Clyde15 (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
#62
would you like to supply an English translation to the below--------

your scapes are inépt or distráct ...
64 Tempest_tits (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 04:54 pm Report abuse
@25 briton
wants to screw Troy Tempest!
65 Pirat-Hunter (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
#50 that's funny, with maric as candidate chances are you'll never have electricity to see him theft tax payers revenues. And you can forget Argentina will ever ever pay anything back. The man doesn't even pay the electric bills of Buenos Aires. The only thing maric can do is lead the gay parade this weekend. If you follow this link you will see what CFK is doing to clean up Argentina.
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9646826/Argentina-told-to-seize-up-to-19.2bn-of-assets-from-Chevron.html
#52 homo-terrest are you sure you are a homo and not a circus clown, maric is like USA neither need help looking bad just hand them a gun and they both will eventually shoot themselves in the foot. I'll be here to remind you this day if maric ever gets elected. And i do mean if ever since 16 million Argentine from Buenos www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9646826/Argentina-told-to-seize-up-to-19.2bn-of-assets-from-Chevron.html will have to die to forget the blackouts maric brought to them this year. And let's not even talk about the homeless who got shot by marics police thugs.
#53 I offer the opportunity to people right here to silence me by posting a better candidate then CFK and all you English people done is waste it insulting me rather then expose your candidate, check it out from post #11 until now not even one worth mentioning, well just one, forest grump but he was a fictional character and disqualified to be a candidate for president. And last time I checked 100% of my family who are all Argentines supports CFK, while the english here don't, who do you think I will support? CFK is the best candidate to be president of Argentina ask the Argentine people.
#55 your claims against Argentina as a brit. Is laughable, you would have a lot more credibility if you where black from Africa. Besides Argentina has no nuclear defence program to be placed in the same context with those nations you mention, not even mentio
66 TipsyThink (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
63

It is Scot accént english which ís my wont.

I undérstand your fár percéptions from Scotlánd.
67 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
CFK:

She's leaving on a jet plane...

youtu.be/yCkxso19PnU

BK, Guzzano, Think - are you sure your seats are 'confirmed' for the flight ??

Who will be left barricading the doors at Casa Rosada when CFK lights out for the airport ... ?????
68 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
It was really interesting when I was in argentina and you mention the name kirchner, shop owners would give you a snare and gesture like spitting and yell never mention that name. I seen it all over in the country, they absolutely hate her botoxed guts.
You know Troy, pirate pete has no right to call himself an argentine, he is a mal adjusted Canadian and should really address him as a Canadian.

My sincerest and heartfelt apologizes to any Canadians reading, but you let alex vargas in your country.

In two more days is the big protest. Any see that picture of senator fuckhead....I mean fernendez in the Herald? He was tilted back laughing like the diabolical joker (that he is). He is the biggest joke in the argentine senate.....except when cuntina herself speakas to the senate.....two more days.
69 ChrisR (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 07:26 pm Report abuse
58 ptolemy

I enjoyed reading that link.

It seems to me that TMBOA is really getting worried if she has to let the dogs loose like that.

But 8N will tell the real truth.
70 briton (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
UK 'is owed £800m in weapons loans'

Egypt is repaying £12m a year on defence loans of just over £100m

Argentina ,, was lent more than £50m to pay for defence equipment, including £45m which was loaned in 1979 to buy equipment later used in the invasion of the Falkland Islands. Argentina has debts to the UK totalling £130m but has made no repayment arrangements.
Iraq was shown to owe £5.5m for equipment

Zimbabwe had been loaned £35m for five Hawk jets between 1989 and 1992.
www.defencemanagement.com/news_story.asp?id=21360
Just an expensive thought ..
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71 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
@58 Ptolemy

Thx for the link. I will be very interested to know Whst is happening on N8.

I will have to wait to translate it tonight though.

The suspense is terrible
72 ICFreedom (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
I am curious how this might play out when it finally comes - maybe:
1. CFK hides and makes no appearance or comment until after it or
2. CFK co-opts the protestors message and proclaims 'i stand with the protesters' or
3. Violence erupts and police are used to quell the disturbance and later the
protests are branded as acts of terror by a few
I pick #2 because CFK is unpredictable and just might try anything to save face.. but we'll see.
Side question: Does anyone know if Argentines can recall elected officials?
73 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
CFK is the poster child of extreme arogance. She is incapable of errors, hence scapegoats. She sets a course and will never deviate and adapt in order to better serve her public. Number 3 is the most likely scenario. She and her lagards have been spewing and foaming at the mouth about the “small” group of people that is doing the protesting. September it was all across the major cities of Argentina. She continues to force her will, despite her total lack of competence.
74 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 07th, 2012 - 12:45 am Report abuse
#72 Or #4. Ship returns, poor majority rally round their champion Cristina, her supporters win the 2013 midterms and allow her to run again in 2015, which of course she wins. Some continue to protest as it is a free country, but majority don't shell out their time and effort to struggle for a return to the 90s which would of course be against their own interests
75 ElaineB (#) Nov 07th, 2012 - 02:13 am Report abuse
The only way the ship will return is if oligarchy CFKC pays up. This will go against her tub thumping about 'never yielding' and appealing to the ego of her followers.

Even the most loyal supporters of CFKC that I know are turning against her. They have realised that she is hopeless without Nestor pulling her strings. Even he knew she was a crackpot and kept her on a tight leash. (Or knocked her about as has been widely reported).
76 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 07th, 2012 - 03:17 am Report abuse
You need to wake up bk, that ship sailed and as far as argentina is concerned, fall off the flat the earth.

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/06/fernandez-de-kirchner-reforms-protest
77 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
#69 What “dogs”?! Does it make you a dog to say your not going on a protest you don't approve of, a protest against policies and people you support and who you know work for your own interests?! OK then, British “dogs”, which of you didn't turn up to the October 20 anti-austerity demos?!

#76 Good link, the Cristinista arguments reported by the article struck me as more reasonable than the opposition ones, but what does it have to do with the ship?!
78 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 08th, 2012 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
Nothing BK....it's like what does Cuntina Kirchner have to do with reality..........absoFUCKINGlutely nothing! January 1st or maybe even today wil be her countdown to her ending of one of Argentinas chapters in historical failures of Argentine leaders.

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