Saturday, November 10th 2012 - 06:12 UTC

Argentine president criticizes lack of political leadership to present alternative model

Reacting to Thursday massive protest against the government which convened hundreds of thousands of Argentines in the country and overseas, President Cristina Fernandez said that the real problem is the lack of a political leadership that can represent an alternative model to that which has been so successful for the majority of Argentines.

Cristina Fernandez recovering the political initiative

Speaking on Friday from Government House at the launching of a financial program in support of Buenos Aires province municipalities, the president strongly defended the current ‘development and inclusion’ model implemented since 2003 and said she would not change her ideals and policies.

“The true problem is the lack of a political leadership which can represent an alternative model; but we can’t be responsible for that. We believe in the one we have, let to others who don’t believe in our model to build their own”, said Cristina Fernandez.

“Ours is an inclusion model, even for those who disagree and complain about the inclusion of others”, she added claiming that the universal family allowance per child ‘has upset’ those who use to exploit staff such was the case with the domestic service and the migrant workers.

“They are upset with the universal family allowance per child because before they could contract for a few pesos, but now they have a floor which doesn’t allow them to exploit labour, and I’m proud of belonging to a government which helped lower the levels of exploitation”, underlined the Argentine leader.

Further on she admitted that her government makes “many mistakes”, but “I can assure you that this president and her ministers work 24 hours a day”.

“I’m only asking Argentines to help me to build a better Argentina; I’m doing my best, all my effort, more I don’t have. Honestly these are the neurones I have, the time I have and they are all on the table, as I did my whole life and without complaining”, continued CFK.

However, “I’m not victimizing myself; I hate those who victimize themselves, because nobody forced me to be here, and if I’m here at the presidential chair it is because I wanted to be president”.

The president also made a reference to the Argentine frigate impounded and retained in Ghana and said she was hurt, deeply hurt and disappointed that “there are Argentines who are on the side of the vulture funds”.

“My government is temporary, but the motherland where we live is permanent. So when one sees these things (support of vulture funds) one asks what is happening with this cultural domination”.

But she immediately continued recalling that “this is the president who most money invested in ARA Libertad, and I can assure you this government is going to recover her”.

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1 surfer (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 06:34 am Report abuse
' lack of a political leadership that can represent an alternative model to that which has been so successful for the majority of Argentines.'

She got a sense of humour at least!
2 Idlehands (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 07:39 am Report abuse
“Honestly these are the neurones I have” - what the hell is that supposed to mean???

I guess it's lost in translation.
3 reality check (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 07:52 am Report abuse
Oh! the demos were all about RG family allowances, that it explains it then.

Woman is barking!
4 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 08:01 am Report abuse
What or who was she defending her model against? I thought everyone loved her.
5 surfer (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 08:01 am Report abuse
It really is a load of garbage.

Don't recall seeing a single placard about family allowances.

Nobody works 24 hours a day - you would be dead in a week.

Ironically she plays the victim card again, completely, whilst saying she hates those that victimise themselves.

A serious leader is needed, not this Sarah Palin of the South.
6 Boovis (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 08:07 am Report abuse
She isn't victimising herself because of course Argentina is never the victim, never says people attack them, never does anything wrong then says it was someone elses fault, no no no.
Was this speech at a press conference or in her usual big brother announcements to the state? Oh yeah, i forgot, she doesn't give press conferences because journalists are uncivilsed. Right.
7 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:05 am Report abuse
Has anyone noticed that she hasn't mentioned the Falklands since about the same time my little something got signed, sealed and delivered? Before one of you deadbeats gets excited I am not suggesting I was in any way connected with that little something but I did know about it.

Chuckle chuckle.
8 Room101 (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:07 am Report abuse
“Alternative model”...
As an outsider and reader of Argentine's affairs as they affect countries outside that much maligned and yet potentially great country, I say, to CFK, Great! Let the country take up your suggestion- step aside by allowing a general election, free and open to alternative models.
9 Viva Las Falklands (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:34 am Report abuse
Not sure about neurones more likely she's been taken over by the Mysterons.
10 Beef (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:50 am Report abuse
She is complaining about no counter leadership. Well isn't something when she is doing all she can to control the media, threaten people with imprisonment if they question her version of things (e.g. economic stats) and generally being a mentally unstable authoritarian.

She is certainly a socialist in the image of Peron, a National Socialist.
11 LightThink (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:26 am Report abuse
This web site first should write leastwise article titles correctly.

this title should be;
” Argentine President criticizes the lack of alternative political leaderhip to present model(leadership). ”

these protest are routine/sport for Argentina
it will be forgotten and will be passing to next other protests.

this is a different culture which is abstruse and unconventional especially for English origin countries who have never elected freely their head of state and have no any idea how these systems run.

i didn't read the article and comments becouse i disapprove in person to discuss them with very outer mouths.
12 ChrisR (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:50 am Report abuse
9 Viva Las Falklands


She is certainly a mystery that one!

What a tour de force in writng absolute crap. She improves the crap rating each time she opens her mouth.
13 yosoy (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:52 am Report abuse
never had a freely elected head of state? are you talking about the queen? the queen has zero power. Our prime minister makes the decisions, and even though he wouldnt be my personal choice, last time i checked there was definitely an election.
And living in a country where the government does' not spend millions of taxpayers money on building up hate for the only media group who speaks out against them, building up hate for the falklanders, for repsol, the yanquis, the west, the middle class etcetc but instead on fuelling growth and productivity....better and more sustainable for sure. Argentina is becoming more and more 'us and them' - and full of hate. Great achievement cristina.
Can you not see that your 'model' is failing? Are you blind? look out of your window. crime inflation, corruption, failing industry... this was not the argentina of 4 years ago.I admire your loyalty to your dear leader but eventually Argentina will have to start addressing the problems that are building up. What do you think argentina will be like in 10 years if this 'model' (read - poorly thought out experiment) continues? It makes me sad to think.
And how LOW of Cristina to accuse all the protesters of campaigning against the family allowance. Similar policies are standard in any developed country. But any sane administration also has policies to encourage job growth, instead of making people dependent on handouts. Ask 9 out of 10 people and they will say they would prefer to work and accept these handouts, funding for which is vanishing by the day. Shame theres no productive jobs going cos all the businesses are scared off and people have to resort to crime instead.
14 Think (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:58 am Report abuse
(7) Joe Bloggs

So; that’s what your “Little something” was all about!

The replacement of professional British Combat troops in occupied Malvinas by Dad’s Army troops…

Has ”Joe Bloggs Curry Take Away” got the contract with the MoD for their Catering?

Anyhow; I think this is a wise first move from London…..:
First move….: Dad’s Army to the Islands……

Second move…: Transplanting military pensioners (as in the 1850’s) , embedding them Islands with a loyalist population who has the skills and experience to defend Her Majesty’s supreme rights against any uppity colonial Kelper.

Third move….: Invigorate and revitalize the vibrant social fabric of them Islands and rejuvenate its aging population by establishing a re-convalescence center for all those young crippled, maimed and limbless veterans from Britain’s last many inglorious wars.

Chuckle Chuckle©
15 LightThink (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:59 am Report abuse
Don't you know almost all countries have “” Mafioso “” interrelations in the world. also contain some gang/terror ingredients...this is reality.

Remember ,1980th years Vatikan-- Money Laundering--Italian Mafia- British Banks connections.
16 Britworker (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:05 am Report abuse
Have you been taking lessons from Turkey neck on deflection, the article is about a million peopleon the streets if B A protesting against your leader and her ridiculous response to them
17 Mendoza Canadian (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:11 am Report abuse
And she talked about the “great” happening in China...forgetting I imagine to mention that the wonderful government of that country blocked Google so that the free people of that nation could not have contact with the outside world. She didn't mention the great happening in her own country...that the people were trying to tell her something. Of course...she wasn't listening....again. Next time they will be calling for her resignation.
18 LightThink (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:13 am Report abuse
by the way ;

the Clarin-State(Government) dispute has not been have relations on media freedom.

you should see the social problems more deeper than ever.
19 slattzzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:19 am Report abuse
@14 last time I looked our territorial army was serving in Afghanistan in thier thousands in fact 1 in ten of the army in afghan are from the TA which makes them battle hardened troops well good enough to defend the Falkalnds
20 LightThink (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:34 am Report abuse
finally,i should say that

you can not have free media domestically and all around the world
becouse you can not produce your own news freely...
all news you obtained are serviced from each country State ( i didn't say Government) to manipulate the people.
21 Mendoza Canadian (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:46 am Report abuse
To the protestors: Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth, for being correct, for being you. Never apologize for being correct, or for being years ahead of your time. If you're right and you know it, speak your mind. Even if you are a minority of one the truth is still the truth. --Ghandi
22 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:48 am Report abuse
They aren't here, Mendoza.
Only Brits and yanquis here, and theyn't care about anything else than spit on your country and flag.
Why don't you give them a hand?
23 Mendoza Canadian (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:53 am Report abuse
Guzz...this isn't a bitch session here. I am a Canadian living in Mendoza...married here. Guess you didn't like the protest.
24 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:55 am Report abuse
Nothing against people protesting, it's their right to do so.
The difference between when they protest and when we did so, is that we got shot at...
25 yosoy (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:06 pm Report abuse
@20 In Argentina maybe, in other countries, journalists do not fear repercussions from the government if they express their opinions. Obviously everyones views are subjective, but being able to say those views, whether they are pro or anti, is part of a free press.

Any administration which has that many people taking to the streets to protest against it can not be thought of as doing a good job can it? I mean, a government is there to serve EVERYONE, and while not everyone can be happy all of the time, to have 1mn people so unhappy that they take to the streets, is a sign of a failed regime.
26 Anbar (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
“”“The difference between when they protest and when we did so, is that we got shot at...”“”

I wish your gestalt would make its mind up how old it is and where it lives... it gets very confusing seeing “Guzz” one minute claim “he” is 20 and then the next minute that he's a turn-of-the-century freedom fighter.

Still, nicely diverted the thread topic again, so “Mission successful” i guess. (still dont see you chaps getting a monthly bonus though, even though you are slowly recovering from the shock of the mass protests...why, only on the 4th of November you were crying out that CFK had 100% support of argentines ALL over the world”....and floundering with what to say or do... today you all seem back on the ball happily diverting threads within a few posts only.... ) ¬_¬
27 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
The oligarchy tends to represent 5% of the entire population. These are the ones holding on 80+% of the nations wealth.
If you do the math, 5% of 42M, is 8.4M.
I'm actually surprised not more people showed up, having in mind that lots of people where political no-go's airing discomfort...
28 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:13 pm Report abuse
19 slatzz

The TA has been making up part of the MPA garrison for years. At least a decade.
29 yosoy (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
yeah, the only people there are the millionaires, right? Surely Cristina should be there by that argument.
Those protesting are not the middle class workers who are striving to save abit of money, but cant do that in pesos as the value drops every day with the governments inflation lies?
I agree inequality in Argentina needs to be tackled. Maybe sorting out your tax system would help? instead of stealing land and resources, bankrupting and expropriating the businesses which are necessary for long term growth, forcing the most productive to leave the country in search of opportunities and breeding hatred of anyone who thinks differently?
Argentina used to be my favorite country on the face of the planet. Now theres so much hate, so much anger. Its completely polarised, and not a pleasant place to be anymore.
What a successful regime.
30 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
“yeah, the only people there are the millionaires, right?”
I never said that, I stated that lots of them are common folks airing discomfort.
Mainly insecurity.
And insecurity can be battled on two fronts. 1 by increasing the police and decreasing the freedom of the people, and 2 by addressing the poverty.
Number 1 has been tried and tested many places globally and tends to lead to overcrowded jails, not reducing crime a bit.

Of course the oligarchy will cry, nobody expects them to drop their standard of living by own free will.
But it's like smashing your tomb with a hammer. It hurts, but it's only temporary...
31 Mendoza Canadian (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:29 pm Report abuse
You are right yosoy. It was a nice place to be. One bad government after another is just killing it.
32 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
Decreasingly nicer for you expats and oligarchs and increasingly nicer for the population of workers and families.
Imagine that...
33 yankeeboy (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
CFK has lost what little marbles were left! If this wasn't real nobody would believe it! If she thinks she can ignore the will of the people she is grossly mistaken.
A Peronist can not survive without “ THE PEOPLE” to mobilize she looks weak and completely nutty and even the dumb poor people realize the country is sinking into oblivion.

December should be fun to watch as each Province runs out of $ to pay salaries and expenses they will rely on Fed gov't x-fers which won't be forthcoming. The $ for subsidies (bribes) is all but gone. Very little reserves are left, very little U$ are left in the banking system, Anses stated they can't pay full pensions, grains are falling, crops will be avg to bad next year, but what will be the last straw...hard to say but we all know it is coming soon.
The reckoning is days or weeks not months or years now...
34 Think (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 01:04 pm Report abuse

“The reckoning is days or weeks now” the Doomsday Prepper at (33) says..........
I'll better drive to “La Anonima” and buy every single Spey Malt bottle I can find!

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....... The reckoning is coming!
35 malen (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 01:06 pm Report abuse
Did she say “honestly these are the neurones I have?” Well, honestly thats part of the problem. jaaja
Did she say “we cant be responsible for the lack of leadership of the opposition?” Neither are we responsible for the lack of idea in choosing vice presidents (Boudou is worst than Cobos, and she choosed him) and funcionarios corruptos, neither we are responsible for the bad management of inflation (just go to the supermarket) and economy, or for the bad management of security or for the increasing necessity of her to extend her period in power, etc etc.
36 yankeeboy (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 01:11 pm Report abuse
I have been telling every RG on this board to buy sugar and laundry detergent for the last year. I think sugar has gone up 60% in that time! It was probably the best investment in the country!
Continue to buy sugar and laundry detergent it will be like gold soon enough.
37 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 01:16 pm Report abuse
We've seen your predictions. Bloody useless.
How did you miss Sandy, the re-election of Obama and the fact that S&P are common crooks?
38 yankeeboy (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 01:19 pm Report abuse
I told you a long time ago I can neither predict or control weather. I am not that good.
I can easily see the path nutty CFK is taking Argentina and the rest of the world and thank goodness most of the population of Argentina now! I wonder what took them so long...they're not a smart people...I guess
39 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
by the way yanqui
I missed your burps on the S&P thread....
You really have no comments?
40 Frank (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 01:38 pm Report abuse
She really truly doesn't know what to do next...
What she does know is that she is stuffed.
And she is right in saying that no one has come up with an alternative 'model'.
The opposition in RGland needs to get its shit together but they won't.
They are just a gaggle of ratbags all hoping for a turn at getting their snouts in the trough.
Corruption... the one thing that RGs excel at.
41 wesley mouch (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
Given the nature of corruption in the Peronists violent revolution is justified. Break out the guillotine for old turkey neck and fat boy Maximo.
42 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 01:43 pm Report abuse
Sure, you go first.
Throw your keyboard at her.
43 Pirat-Hunter (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 01:45 pm Report abuse
CFK is a smart woman too bad her honesty tells everyone what the real Argentine problem is, she is the only person working in Argentina with the help of some navy officer in Ghana taking up arms to defend his nation. Everyone else like to talk, bang pots, lie and point fingers while CFK continue to work tirelessly for Argentina. Send all the maggots to work and there will be no time to bang pots and make up lies. We love CFK she is the best president Argentina had in 40 years.
44 yosoy (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
and why do you think insecurity is growing? Because poverty is NOT being addressed! It hasnt decreased since 2008 at all, stuck stubbornly at around 21%, despite the lies Cristina spouts about it falling to 6% (you just need to look out your window to know that isnt the case)
You know the best way to tackle poverty and in turn, insecurity?
You create jobs. you invest in creating a skilled workforce, through education, through training, through providing opportunities. You form an environment where businesses and entrepreneurship can grow and prosper (stable currency, low risk, respect for laws, property rights...) You build relationships based on transparency, you gain respect through cooperation within the international community. You produce something that is of value to the world, which increases wealth and prosperity. and if the wealth goes disproportionately to the richer in society, you implement taxes in a transparent and non-corrupt way, and you provide a social safety net for the weakest.
You cant provide a social safety net if businesses are failing, you have such low tax income as evasion is easier than compliance. you cant build fruitful relationships internationally if you are the world's laughing stock, and if your president says she wont pay back her debts, while simultaneously begging for foreign investment in total desperation. The height of hypocracy.
45 Zhivago (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
43 Pirat
Ric, Ric, Ricardo....
Ricky go skiing along!!!!
46 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
I agree, instead, CFK is forced to deal with a bunch of oligarch titwits... Such a shame...
47 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:55 pm Report abuse
Wealth under slavery or freedom through want... those who choose wealth never feel happyness.
48 yosoy (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:00 pm Report abuse
glad you finally admit the CFK administration are 'a bunch of oligarch titwits'... but i thought you liked the government?!
49 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:03 pm Report abuse
Macri isn't in the government, is he?
What did I miss???
50 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:05 pm Report abuse
Even your worst brother loves you more than the kindest of outsiders.
51 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
Tell that to Simón...
52 gonzo (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:09 pm Report abuse
@ Guzz

Can you tell me in which country you are living at the moment? I assume it is not the country where I live i.e.Argentina, where inflation soars, crime is rife (robberies and killings on a daily basis), corruption is at its highest level even worse than in the Menem era), the country has turned into a drug traffic haven, citizens and journalist who criticizes the Governments policies get publicly slammed by Cristina in her epic national broadcasts and many have the Afip visiting them the very next day, and people who protest peacefully against these issues are automatically tagged by Cristina´s cronies and supporters as posh upper class citizens (you called them oligarchs) who work in this country and pay their taxes, while corrupt politicians like Bodou make a fortune with our money? Cristina increased her wealth by 931% over the last 8 years when Nestor and she have been ruling the country...If you live in Argentina, may I ask you what you do for a living?
53 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
Countries that quarrel within themselves to please outsiders deserve to have the right to quarrel stripped away by the outsider.
54 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
No nation suffers more deaths by violence on daily basis than the USA, what difference does it make where I live?
Is that all you got? “Where do you live?”
Bloody pathetic...
55 TipsyThink (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:15 pm Report abuse

Your 5 % is véry optímistic number,if trúe Argentina well moré
developed country thán all others,while 0,3 % control the regimé in UK.
56 yankeeboy (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
No nation suffers more deaths by violence on daily basis than the USA

In your head, and only in the bizzaro world of Guzz do statements like that can appear as statements of facts.

You are not that dumb guzz, if you are trying to prove a point try something someone, anyone, might believe.
57 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
54 guzz

We've been through this before remember. When the figures all come out like they did last time they'll show that Argentina comes in only very very fractionally behind the US in those figures. Yawn. You tried that one last time as you were beginning to implode. ...and you told me I was several other Mercopress contributors last time also.

Don't go completely until I get back from the birthday lunch I'm about to go to.
58 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
You have your weekly school massacres (cinemas at weekends) to put you up there, yanqui...
59 Simon68 (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
Guzz, Do you really think that there were any “oligarchs” out on the streets on Thursday?

If you do you are more gullible than I thought you were!!!!

The famous “oligarchs” from your 1970's revolutionary dreams NEVER went out on the streets, they never even lived in Argentina, they were in Paris, New York, London, antwhere but where their precious lives might be in peril. And nothing has changed except that they are a good bit richer and laughing a good bit harder at the ridiclous spoutings of the outdated Tupas, ERP, Montoneros, MPT, etc.

The truth of the matter is that the protest was massively supported by every strata of society, including those that get government subsidies, simply because the subsidies no longer provide enough contention to make them feel safe, thanks to inflation!!!!!!!!
60 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
You had some common criminals in the lines as well, that I admit. Just look at him that slapped the journalist from behind :)
61 yankeeboy (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:31 pm Report abuse
Guzz, You are acting like you are a bit retarded today. Maybe its time to shut off the computer and get some fresh air.

On another note

I will laugh and laugh if Argentina has to buy wheat from the USA this year
62 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:31 pm Report abuse
is that what la campora tells you oh great ignorant guzz? You are just another who fled the demise of argentina for the safety and security of Europe......I guess that's what you call.....“ unilateral self determination” Of course, you needed permission to enter self determination
63 Mendoza Canadian (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
Guzz you need help...professional help. Expats help to keep this country in foreign dollars. Me thinks you are a paid observer 678...the propaganda machine of the state.
64 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
Expats need to do just that. Spend their dollars and pounds sterlings and shut up. Period.

There's a reason they can't vote, and the reason is that nobody cares about their opinions.

It's simple, use cash and be quiet.
65 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:40 pm Report abuse
@11 LightThink

Under the magna carta, the queen and all other royalty and politicians serve the people, they do not rule us, it us us that rule them. The queen is simply a figure head with no powers and is only appointed the head of state by the people, same for the PM as he has no powers and a vote in parliment, by elected representatives from all areas of the UK, is needed before any thing the PM wants to do can be done.
66 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
So LightThink
She's not only old and ugly, she's also useless...
67 Mrlayback (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:46 pm Report abuse
60, strange that the journalist slapping was a isolated incident don't you think... To me It smells of La Campora trying disrupt a peaceful protest ! Was it true that the President ordered a no fly zone so that the media could not show the true scale of the protest but the good people out smarted her with a drone camera..
68 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
Sounds like a truth directly taken from yanqui's head...
69 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
I’m only asking Argentines to help me to build a better Argentina; I’m doing my best, all my effort, more I don’t have. Honestly these are the neurones I have, the time I have and they are all on the table, as I did my whole life and without complaining”, continued CFK.

“I’m not victimizing myself; I hate those who victimize themselves”

This woman is seriously deranged

59 Simon68

It's ok, just ignore Guzz, he has told so many lies that he doesn't know what to believe anymore, I think he has forgotton that the only one he is fooling now is himself.
70 TipsyThink (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:58 pm Report abuse
The Queen is a símple figure héad with no powérs and is áppointed the héad of state by the peoplé...............Laugh.!

You are kidding us --OR --you are more drunk thán me. !

I want to organize a party at my backyard and invite all héad of states
of the world ,certainly all are people elect head of states,
if i invíte and talk with your Queen who not elected by hér peoplé then i disregard/disrespect the British peoplé.
71 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:59 pm Report abuse
What's the “3rd world”?

Patronizing fool?
How does it feel to get educated in your own language?
72 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
71 Guzz

What's the “3rd world”?

What? you want an Geography lesson now? Well, OK if you want.... The 3rd World would be considered those that have not yet fully developed economically or socially ( so you could count Argentina among them ) ..............

But hey there you go, that's just my take on it. If you are a Thinker then PLEASE, PLEASE explain the two statements below ( if you can!!! )

Griesa's comments came in response to remarks by Argentine President Cristina Fernandez, who said the country would not pay “one dollar to the 'vulture funds'.”

But she immediately continued recalling that “this is the president who most money invested in ARA Libertad, and I can assure you this government is going to recover her”.

The only way I can explain them is that

1/ this woman doesn't know what she is saying from one moment to the next


2/ She really is a mad B*tch!!!!
73 Mendoza Canadian (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
Let me tell you something. Today, for the first time in 6 freaking years I was able to buy blueberries and raspberries. Frozen mind you, but they are a product of AR. I imagine that normally these healthy products are exported to pad the coffers of the government rather than help the people of this country stay I am making a blueberry pie!!!
74 Britninja (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
@71 You're so so boring.
75 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 04:07 pm Report abuse
To trust a foreigner with a moment of your time is to give your life up for discussion.
76 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
I'd say she is confident that Ghana can't afford to withhold the ship for long, unless she [Ghana] is getting paid by a 3rd party


She is confident that the ship will be recovered legally


She will loose her patience and set sails.

Matter of fact, it doesn't matter what she does. What matters is what your side does ;)
77 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
74 Britninja

He is a bit pathetic isn't he? Poor Child Guzz, just out of playgroup and thinks he can play with the big boys...............

All he can do is whine and stamp his feet like the little b*tch he is................. What a Clown!!
78 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
You are right, I can't play with the big boys.
Which brings me here to these threads...
I might not be able to play with the big boys, but with you lot? With one eye only...
79 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
For the sages tell, “let us live under the rule of well-natured tyro children, than under the yolk of the wisest eminences holding even an iota of calculation”.
80 Mendoza Canadian (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
By the way...the frozen blueberry package is all in maybe the world has stopped buying from AR...a little tit for tat...finally. Fortress AR will have no exports soon.
81 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
They can always export expats... And should they charge for what the expat think he is worth, it's a gold mine...
82 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
Whetherthereof seisin or mere chattel, betimes shall the right be proclaimed athwart the demesne, lest the numinous, Luciferian specters attempt to stanch the flow of justice.
83 Zhivago (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
80 Mendoza
I can send you some Arg blueberries if you wish, we have plenty of them here in Toronto!!! :)
84 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 05:15 pm Report abuse
Blueberries feed the downtrodden northeners. Maquis feed the healthy southeners.
85 surfer (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 05:24 pm Report abuse
However, “I’m not victimizing myself; I hate those who victimize themselves, because nobody forced me to be here, and if I’m here at the presidential chair it is because I wanted to be president”.

86 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
It's an interesting take on the motivation of those going out on the street to suggest that they are protesting about not being able to get cheap domestic labour. I sympathise, I really do. Here in the UK it's absolutely impossible to get anyone to do anything for less than the minimum wage plus National Insurance contribution - unless one pays cash of course but that creates all sorts of difficulties with HM Revenue and Customs. For a while those Poles and Liths were the answer but even they have cottoned on now. Still, I wonder if the pots and pans in use on the streets the other day were clean or dirty. We should be told so we can make up our own mind on whether or not the supply of domestic servants in Argentina has dried up (or should that be washed and dried up?).

@7 Was that it then? Executive Council approved the immediate investigation of the legal requirements and consequences of the creation of a Port Authority in the Falkland Islands and further investigation of the Joint Venture led funding model with the private sector as a potential long-term strategy for funding port infrastructure? And you think that stopped all subsequent mentions of the Falkland Islands by the President of Argentina do you? Uhm, equally interesting.
87 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
85 surfer

LOL!!! Too right.... This woman is a joke!!!
88 slattzzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 06:14 pm Report abuse
one question ...why do you keep changing your sign ins, if you where serious about an arguement why be embarrassed by your name, losing or not, if you have a point of view then so be it, have the courage of your convictions at least, nonones going to turn up at your door and punch your lights out are they? Why pretend to live in Sweden/Canada or whatever, why pretend to be something your not or never have been if you've nothing to back up your arguements why bother
89 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
71 TipsyThink.

What part of the margna carta and later versions of it have you not read? Oh i get it you haven't read any the original or later version. Therefore you don't know what your talking about. The Queen became head of state by lineage i.e. her ancestors were appointed Head of State by the people when the magna carta was first signed by King John whom was appointed the first head of state.

Now there has been debates recently about whether to keep the monacrchey or not. Why do you think those debates are allowed, if the queen was not a servant of the people and subject to the peoples rule? Simple, its because we the people have the right to take away her appointment of head of state as and when we choose, which by doing so would end the monarcy.

Also you have alot to thank us for too. Because if it wasn't for the magna carta, democracy and freedoms we have today would not exist and we would all be the subjects of despot rulers, and dictator. Which you argentines know all about, don't you!
90 Ayayay (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
@17 good point. And Iran is phasing out access to the internet. Cuba doesn't have either. Ah, friends. What's happening with Taringa! ?

Interestingly, the U.S. is said to have the.most fteedom of expression Argentinaf any country in the world.
91 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
86 LOL Not even lukewarm deadbeat.

88 slatzz
It can only be that they hate to lose so much that they have to change names to keep face publicly. What deadbeats.
92 Zhivago (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
84 TTT
Hey troll, we grow our own blueberries here in the north too, it just can't be done year-round. I suppose you think we are expropriating your blueberries instead of buying them, (the imported ones are much more expensive).
93 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
Maquis are native Patagonian berries that only grow from San Rafael and points south. They only grow in the short patagonian summer. They are extremely rich in antioxidants and that is all I buy between April and July when they are plentiful.
94 scarfo (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
Further on she admitted that her government makes “many mistakes

well at least the bitch admitted it!!!
95 slattzzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 07:10 pm Report abuse
@93 well you should give the mboa a few perhaps it would help her (i doubt it though to be truthful) anyway you enjoy
96 TipsyThink (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 07:10 pm Report abuse

I don't guess you can discuss the “ democracy ” with a French.

read UK last 200 years France last 200 yèars history
when you compàre them ,which conclùsions do you have ?
97 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 07:19 pm Report abuse

And with that hasn't she outdone all prime ministers in the history of the UK, Europe, and all presidents in the history of the USA, who have yet to admit to have made any mistakes—ever.
98 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 07:25 pm Report abuse
97 Dam

No, a UK Prime Minister pretty recently admitted that it was a mistake that the UK Government didn't authorise a couple of operations that were ready to role on the Argentine mainland that would have ended the conflict sooner than 14 June.
99 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
Military hubris is always the last vestige of prestige to wane, but in the history of the nations of the world, firepower is the last manifestation of greatness to emerge, and the last reminder of lost greatness to fade.
100 Ayayay (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 07:38 pm Report abuse
I think she's at some level asking for help! Maybe a tiny tiny bit. a start.

She knows what's going to happen in the next couple of years better than the average Argentine. It's fine NOW, right?

It was Nestor that defaulted, not her.Even though she likely supported it. He gambled SO wrong. He gambled on margin, and now the challenge is TWICE as big.

And, the Argentines usually have a new currency every 20. She gave herself too much credit, but she shouldn't take so much blame.

Let the currency naturally devaluate. Sure you will have to go through a period where you're not idolized, but you'll stop making Mendoza wine co-operatives import rice or shoes or whatever.
101 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
It would have saved the number of British lives lost but the Iron Lady decided against it. The Task Force had the momentum by then so it was not really necessary. It would have saved a coupe of days at the end of the conflict though and she wasn't to know that at the time. Remarkable lady.
102 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
For the wise know well, “let me hear what you vaunt, so I may intimate what you want from lack.”
103 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
Don't you wish you had a strong leader running your country?
104 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 07:49 pm Report abuse
For the weakest of your own tribe shall be far more worthy than the strongest of those beyond.
105 Mendoza Canadian (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 07:49 pm Report abuse
I am from Toronto and if you sent blueberries they would be expropriated at the border...
106 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
The people's safety from the foreign yields the safety of even the foreign.
107 Zhivago (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 08:04 pm Report abuse
93 TTT
Are these Maquis related to the North American cranberry by any chance, they too only grow in the short summer. I have never come across them in Argentina but I know they grow rhubarb in Chubut.
108 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
I don't know. I have to look up cramberries I'm not familiar with them.

Maquis are a recent thing, and are still not sold much in supermarkets. You have to go out on the countryside to get them.
109 Ayayay (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
Argentines have financial crises just as regularly as the U.S. military (the Deep South tradition) overextends itself, losing ppl and spending billions. Both could benefit from patience as we encourage them to evolve. Baby steps!
110 Mendoza Canadian (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
Wish I could get should be able to grow it anywhere...its like a weed. If I could get a root...I could grow it myself...great for pies and jams.
111 agent_Scare (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
Hi I am Isolde,,,sometimes I claim I am a computer
112 Zhivago (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
110 MC
We had rhubarb growing in Cordoba and we got the plants in Trelew, finding it is the problem, growing it is as easy as dandelions!
113 Think (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
(110) & (112).....Hopeless, Helpless Anglo Turnips.....

What about spending 5 U$D for some ruibarbo seeds?
114 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
Lol Think
Matter of fact is that Zhivago and Mendoza is one person, having a pointless conversation with himself. Me, I'm amazed he agrees...
115 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
115 Guzzano

Have you decided if you're Argentine, Uruguyan, Swedish, or Danish yet? Are you a 50 year old ex ships engineer or still a 20 year old student living in northern europe?

If YOU want to convince people you aren't a deadbeat, you'll have to.... You'll have to... Uhm... You'll have to... Do something drastic......
116 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
I'd answer, but you aren't Tool, you are Poppy now, I can see that because you use the same letters as him...
117 TipsyThink (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:45 pm Report abuse

did you fínd the other namés of “ briton ” at thís forum ?
118 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
They work in shift, Briton is day-shift, sometimes they forget to log out and you can practically SEE conqueror at the keyboard...
119 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
117 Guzz

No, you won't answer.... Oh you say you will but you won't. You will go on and on about shootings in American school and Cinema's

You will talk at length about the UK and USA killing women and children but you won't answer my question, even though people have asked it many times, you still won't answer it... so you shall be from now and for ever more be known as “Deadbeat”.

120 TipsyThink (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:53 pm Report abuse

also works on 24 hours,non stop .... why ?

also comments are not from America continent time, possibly from Europe/Asia Pacific.
121 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:54 pm Report abuse
My comments are from Denmark, Tipsy.
22.54 local time
122 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:59 pm Report abuse
It makes me proud that so many people have adopted my term 'deadbeat' to describe these deadbeats. What a sense of achievement.

Chuckle chuckle.
123 TipsyThink (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:01 pm Report abuse

I found one of the comméntators
you can not beliéve where he is from ..has moustache...old man...

I am respéctful to old persons..listén always them..
124 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
All hail Joe! Proud inventor of already invented words!
Studied a lot to achieve your current position, didn't you... Deadbeat?
125 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:12 pm Report abuse

Thanks Guzz. It means a lot to me.
126 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:13 pm Report abuse
@96 Tipsy - Comparing french history with british/english history is no comparison!

Britain/England has been a democracy for almost 800 years. The first elected parliment being De Montfort's Parliament in 1265!

Noe France on the other hand was an absolute monarcy uptil 1792 - 3 years after the start of the french revolution!

As for the comparison of both countries history in the last 2 hundred years - Well fpr france you have - Nepoleon, german invasion in WWI, German conquest and occupation in WW2 and more recently strong supporters of an EU wide STATE, run by unelected officials.

FOr Britain we have Beat Nepoleon, Helped the virtually won WW1 for you even though it wasn't really our fight as the germans weren't invading us, help along with the americans, and other allies to liberate Franch in WW2 (Giving the french their democracy and freedom back! and now are position ourselves to stick the fingers up at the unelected EU officials and EU states that want to create 1 EU super state, in order to protect not just british sovereignty, but our very way of live and democratic society along with the freedoms that come with it. As i said, we rule the queen and the politicians here in the UK so their is no way we will give up or freedom and rule over this country so that unelected EU officials can stick their noses into our daily lives and tell us want we can and can't do and tax us to high heaven.

Now do you really want to carry on comparing the democratic histroy of Britain/England with that of France's. Personally as france has only been a democarcy for only just 220 years compared to 800 years here in britain. Youd be pretty foolish to even contemplate making such comprasion in the first place.

Though its interesting how you only wanted to compare the last 200 years and not the last 800 years, but then hardly surprising since franch only has 220 years of democracy!!
127 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
No worried mate, anytime

By the way, aren't we playing your little game anymore?
I was really enjoying it...
Don't you lot like a spoonful of your own medicine?
128 TipsyThink (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:15 pm Report abuse

Do you like to eat beef ?
129 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:18 pm Report abuse
Lol Tipsy

Yes mate, I love it, and when I put the fork in it, I prefer a distant “mooh”...
130 TipsyThink (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:26 pm Report abuse

Laugh ...Laugh...Laugh...Laugh....Laugh....Laugh...Laugh...Laugh....



Do you really know the meaning of “ democracy ”“

All societies have been democrat at the same time non democrat.

You can not talk about ” democracy “” becouse you didn't use your democratic rights on British Iraq/Afghanistan military operations as making in a referandum for inquiry and decision making.
131 Zhivago (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
114 Think
I was talking about 1979-1982 when I was actually a resident of Argentina, sorry to confuse you. I think you'll find that its mainly the Arg contributors who use more than one alias.
132 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
Where did my playmates go?

Want to see a win-win, Tipsy?


I bloody love shutting their mouths.
Bloody priceless :)))
133 TipsyThink (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:36 pm Report abuse

I like Beef too with red wine ,salad,pickles.
134 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
Chimichurri... A whole cow in its own skin... 19 hours of guitar and wine...
Bring your friends... :))
135 TipsyThink (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
Bon appetite !
136 briton (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:02 pm Report abuse
President Cristina Fernandez said/states…

1, the real problem is the lack of a political leadership
[is she then not the political leadership.
2, I’m only asking Argentines to help me to build a better Argentina
Whilst we deny this to the Falklands.[apt]
3, I’m doing my best
[But not best enough..
4, I did my whole life and without complaining
[The UN may not think so….
5, deeply hurt and disappointed that “there are Argentines who are on the side of the vulture funds”.
[Please then pay your debt, other have to….
6, “My government is temporary
[But how temporary..
Self indulgence, self criticisms , self first,
CFK must, as leader carry the can of hope of failure..
worth a moan, is it not..
137 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:13 pm Report abuse
For the sages tell, that one can't find sustinance in your dreams, but that one can certainly drown in them.

”...The first Parliament was called by Simon de Montfort in 1265, but in terms of a democratically elected Parliament that had more political power than the monarch, 1688 and the Glorious Revolution, which turned Britain into a Constitutional Monarchy can be said to be the year Britain became a true democracy.

The Interregnum between the execution of Charles I (1649) and the Restoration of Charles II (1660) were years when Britain was anything but a democracy, the country being a military dictatorship controlled by the army.”
138 briton (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:34 pm Report abuse
your opinion.

you saying britain was not a democracy untill 1688,
hardly old chap,
mind you monmouth did lose hhis head.
139 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:41 pm Report abuse
For people have died for their dreams, but for dreams of the future. To die for dreams of the past, is as useful as cubes of salt on an ocean weltering raft.
140 briton (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:46 pm Report abuse
Most dictators died for their dreams, ill give you that.
Dreams of the future, mmm well i often dream of winning the damm lottery, and still dreaming,

To die for dreams of the past, , we I can agree in part,
if you accept that CFK and argentina dying for a dream of the past events that they never owned or held, would be not only a false dream, but yes many will die for dreaming of it..
141 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:56 pm Report abuse
I see thee, thee I see, thine equivocations! But leery is the unscrupulous one, to dare thrust upon an issue, that which is pellucidly extraneous. These dreams are for the brothers, not for the fiends, fiends who shelter in wind-swept isles or dwell in dry monolithic limestone athwart the beaten seas.

An angel fiend is still a fiend, and a wretched brother still a brother. Blood cannot be stanched, and foreign blood can poison. Bane to the ones from beyond! Who wish us ill, harm, and wrath.

And still the above holds true, that dreams are no pabulum, but they sure can starve.
142 briton (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:59 pm Report abuse
You aint a druid by any chance are you.
My roman mates dealt with them.

Back on Monday mates.
Peace my human friend,

Just remember the golden words,

If you believe life after life, and paradise is waiting.

Don’t let us mere mortals keep you waiting .mmm
143 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 12:25 am Report abuse
131 - Its Teaboy2 Not lipton (even if it is a brand of tea), i do not refer to you by anything other user name so i expect the same level of mutual respect.

As for this statement - “All societies have been democrat at the same time non democrat.” So all countries in the world are democracy then even if they are communism, which is a non democractic country - jesus your logic is flawed!

And for this statement - “You can not talk about ” democracy “” becouse you didn't use your democratic rights on British Iraq/Afghanistan military operations as making in a referandum for inquiry and decision making.” I think you will find the policitians who represent their own local areas own local population, voted in parliment in favour of it. When we vote people into parliment they represent us for the full term until we vote someone else in during the next election. Thats how democracy works idiot. We have the power to call on the government by petitioning them if we are not happy with what they are doing.

@138 - Point is it was elected, thats is democracy - So what about the years between 1649 -1680 those were the years of civil war between the royalists and Parliamentarians, parliment was still in control of the country, though people were split between supporting the king or parliment, but parliment won in the end and therefore so did democracy. So your point is kind of mute.
144 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 12:26 am Report abuse
#122 I don't blame you for taking you and your kids to Denmark, I would be ashamed to raise them as south americans also. Raise them right I say. Good for you
145 Ayayay (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 12:51 am Report abuse
I'm at a honey tasting, fifty flavors.
146 malicious bloke (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 12:52 am Report abuse

“And for this statement - “You can not talk about ” democracy “” becouse you didn't use your democratic rights on British Iraq/Afghanistan military operations as making in a referandum for inquiry and decision making.” I think you will find the policitians who represent their own local areas own local population, voted in parliment in favour of it.”

Damn right. Between that misunderstanding and your correction, you raise a good point. It is, however, a point that is lost on those who live in flawed deomcracies based on thing but populism and theft.

Did Galtieri offer the Argentine people a referendum on starting a war which could only ever have ended in a hilariously humiliating defeat for the Argentine slave army? Yes you can claim that the evil junta didn't express the will of the people BUT every single action your (supposedly democratic) governments have taken since the 1983 have shown your support for their genocidal agenda AND the whole world has seen some hilarious footage of the Argentine people turning out in their tens of thousands to support the VIOLENT AND MURDEROUS SUBJUGATION OF A FEW THOUSAND PEACEFUL ISLANDERS. Where was your moral objection to war, violence and subjugation then?

Even 29 years after the fall of the Military Junta you still host nationalist rallies and mint commemorative coinage celebrating your GLORIOUS VICTORY OF 14000 CONSCRIPTS OVER 2000 INNOCENT COLONISTS AND 80 ROYAL MARINES before 1200 special forces kicked your heads in.

So, you want to complain that a million or more protesting in London against the Iraq war didn't bring down a government? We have since used democracy to do away with that government and the Iraq war is done with. Maybe 30 years from now Argentina will grow up and treat the falklands with the same equantimity.
147 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 01:10 am Report abuse
For the people ruling the land of Bacardi are also elected.
148 Guzz (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 01:11 am Report abuse
My kids are more Uruguayan than mate [maté, you call it]...
I'm here to get my licence and sailing hours, there's no more to it.
Why are you so interested in what I do? You ask and ask and then you complain when I answer...
149 Patagonico (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 01:57 am Report abuse
No matter what happens 8N was an historic day for us bcz never before thousands of Args in so many cities and so many countries gathered to protest against a regime...personally I don't believe she will listen to us. She is not going to change here pedant style, but sth is changing...she is loosing power and people are less afraid of her
150 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 02:21 am Report abuse
When brothers fight, foreigners delight -- Martin Fierro.
151 brit abroad (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 05:37 am Report abuse
Guzz if you need sailing hours why not pop over to Ghana......theres some idiots sitting on a big white boat who im sure would love to give you tips on how to drop and anchor
152 Guzz (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:57 am Report abuse
That's a lie, many more people gathered some 10 years ago.
Rodriguez Saá, de la Rua... Remember them?
You don't do you? Sure you aren't yanquiboy?
153 Think (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 09:18 am Report abuse
(123) Joe Bloggs
You say:
”It makes me proud that so many people have adopted my term ”deadbeat” ………. Chuckle chuckle.”

I say….:
Your term ?
The word “deadbeat” has been used in here for ages by “Mr. Yankiboy”, formerly known as “fredbdc” or “Mr. Fred Bates” our resident bold ”Shoes Salesman”, ”Real Estate Agent” and “Doomsday Prepper” from Washington D.C., USA.
I'll quote him….:
“(5) fredbdc Sep 10th, 2010 …. Why are Argentinians such deadbeats?”

1) Did you order coleslaw or chips at Nev’s the other day?
The suspense is killing me........

2) It makes me proud that so many Islanders, including you, have adopted my terms “Chuckle chuckle©” and “Turnip©”
But you Islanders are some real “deadbeats”….
You have never paid any royalties for any of my “Chuckle chuckles©” or my Turnips©

Chuckle chuckle©
154 yosoy (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 09:48 am Report abuse
So you yourself are comparing Thursday's marches and the situation in argentina now with the crisis of 2001, widely thought to be the worst economic crisis a country has ever suffered?
155 MistyThink (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 10:20 am Report abuse
] Guzz

Internet is full of informants.

Divert them.

We trust you.
156 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 10:26 am Report abuse
@123 As one of the set of JB “deadbeats” I have been wondering for some time what was meant by the expression but, valuing your opinion of me (or anything else for that matter) as low as I do, I only got around to it today. Spurred on, of course, by @154.

deadbeat [ˈdɛdˌbiːt]
1. (Sociology) Informal a lazy or socially undesirable person
2. Chiefly US
a. a person who makes a habit of avoiding or evading his or her responsibilities or debts
b. (as modifier) a deadbeat dad

Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

In sum, I find the cap does not fit so I shan't be wearing it at the Remembrance Day service I'm now off out to attend.
157 MistyThink (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 10:35 am Report abuse
the - deadbeat -- word in fully explains the present situation of UK.

the rule of the nature.
158 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 12:34 pm Report abuse
U19's Ruby Match in argentina interrupted by gun battle between football players on neighbouring pitch -

Now i would laugh, but given that it demostrates just how bad crime is in argentina, then it kind of makes the protest by N8 valid!
159 Mendoza Canadian (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 01:31 pm Report abuse
Ronald Reagan said.. “Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.” Take note CFK
160 Guzz (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 01:32 pm Report abuse
Ronald Reagan also financed Operacion Condor...
161 Pugol-H (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 01:33 pm Report abuse
“word in fully explains”

Have another drink Stink, you’ll make more sense.

“the rule of the nature”, is the weak go extinct, not long to go for Argentina then.
162 LightThink (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 01:55 pm Report abuse

no !

operacion condor(CIA operation) was before the Reagan era.
163 Guzz (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
Reagan took office 1981, go spread your lies somewhere... Actually, this is the place to do so...
164 LightThink (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 02:14 pm Report abuse
Operacion Condor starting date was 1963. !
165 Pugol-H (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
Oh oh, trouble in paradise, Stink and Guzz bitch slaping each other and reaching for their handbags.
166 LightThink (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 02:21 pm Report abuse

Did this causerie disturb you and your CIA owners. ?
167 Guzz (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 02:23 pm Report abuse
Indeed LT
And when did it stop?
168 LightThink (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 02:26 pm Report abuse

in the year of 1980 !
169 Guzz (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 02:41 pm Report abuse

Furthermore, we also have the Contras...
170 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
Guys just ignore Guzz, his days of trolling this site will be no more by the end of tommorrow. I made sure of that lol
171 Guzz (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
Can't take you truths?
Don't worry about me, boy, should I go, someone else will fill my shoes ;)
172 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
I doubt it mate! lol
173 Guzz (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 03:45 pm Report abuse
Your webmaster is on today, I've 'spoken' to him, why wait until tomorrow? ;)
174 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 04:08 pm Report abuse
My webmaster? as i recall, my webmaster is myself, and i do not have anything to do with maintaining this website, only my own companies websites! So keep making wild assertions Guzz whilst your still able to post them here.
175 Guzz (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
You really think I care, don't you?

176 scarfo (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 04:23 pm Report abuse

you care enough to post about it!!!

operation condor started in 1975,

on the ball as per usuall. lol
177 Simon68 (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
153 Think (#)
Nov 11th, 2012 - 09:18 am

Dear Think,

As an avowed supporter of Hermes Binner, I wonder what your opinion is of the La Campora “Narcosocialism” attack on Mr. Binner and his Party.

I must say that such an attack on a thoroughly honest and straight forward person such as Mr. Binner is particularly sordid in the light of the Santa Fé ex-police chief being freed “por falta de merito”!!!!!

Does this situation complicate your very vocal support of the Sra. Presidente?
178 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
Guzz as, Scarfo said, you care enough to post about it. Hell you would even have us believe you have spoken to the sites webmaster, despite the back i know the webmaster doesn't work on sundays. Hence why i said by end of tomorrow you won't be posting on here anymore.

Ohh and a little birdie told me you won't be able to use or create other accounts to post with either. God technology can be such a blessing at times, at least for me and fellow poster/readers on here that have got sick and tired of your trolling, disrespectful and unnecessary posting.
179 Guzz (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
I will post something on Tuesday, just for you ;)

Say hello to Alex, webmaster :)))
180 Pugol-H (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 05:45 pm Report abuse
@ Guzz
Well if you really don’t care, WTF are you doing here getting all upset, when you could be out living a life somewhere?
181 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
For the sages tell us, see this page, read this page, people of the land of silver! This is why united with you worst brother is a better fate than a slave under the tramontane fiends.
182 MistyThink (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
There are so many CIA/DIA agents for internet who distract many agendas hidden under skin of British or else on the raving areas like South Atlantic or else.
183 Brit Bob (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:02 pm Report abuse
Dear Botox Queen and Comedy Club of Argentina,

Please don't give up - you are providing too many laughs!
184 Think (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
(177) Simon68

As I have repeated many times in here, I try to interact as little as possible with Turnips.......... And you are a big Turnip.....

Any Argie stating publicly as you have that...: “Everybody in government should be shot”................

Is not only a big Turnip but a big dangerous Turnip.....

Been there, met your type....
Nunca Más!
185 Pugol-H (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
Actually were the Levante and Ostro fiends to the “land of silver”.

S. Atlantic/Antarctica being British Territory since before Argentina ever existed.

For the Amerindians, it’s the modern Argentines that are the “tramontane fiends”.
186 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
For the sages know, that he who exults from folly has achieved less than the follied at their most ignominious.
187 MistyThink (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
not only under skin of British ..........
likewise under the skins of Argentine,Chilean,Aussie,American(US), many others depend on ambience.
188 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
For perspicacious wisdom knows like a touchtone acumen, that it is the most execrable among us who villanously usufruct “time” to emblazon chimerical rights to satisfy the most abased, quenchless pleonexia:

“ruthless self-seeking and an arrogant assumption that others and things exist for one's own benefit”

Yet that same innefable fiend that uses “time” for this wretched purpose, then seeks to discard time when the shameful immoralities which longer existence naturally usher as concomitants balk their cupidity.

These urchins inveigle Father Time to further their wordly rights, but then betray it when time proves inconvenient.

But despair because of thee I shall not. For condign comeuppance for such debauched and warped codes of conduct will befall. The Sages tell it is so.
189 GeoffWard2 (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
The problem isn't the absence of an Opposition alternative paradigm,
it's that the Peronistas increasingly created Action without Strategy.
And where there is evidence of Strategy - remove the assets of foreign companies - it is ill-founded and counter-productive.

CFK knows this, and this is her CRY FOR HELP.

She has run out of ideas, and this is as close as she will likely ever get to admitting it.

She may get some help but, having alienated most sectors of society - the 'public', public andministration, government and oppositions -

it is more probable that she will be allowed to drown in public and with worldwide publicity.

This way, an incoming new administration will be able to claim a New Start,
untainted by the Peronistas and their abuse of power.

Remains to be seen if the Incomings will be any better.
190 Pugol-H (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
Exactly what “Sages” is that? The book of “Tobias on Speed”.
191 MistyThink (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
Where does Mercopress publish from ?
192 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
For those who dwell in immorality, fail to see the Sages. And the tramontane are immoral, those beyond their sight as well.
193 Pugol-H (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:53 pm Report abuse
Well that clears that up.
194 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
Tramontane you shall forever be, for it is your fortune, and your miss.
195 Pugol-H (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
Oh no, Tobias, they have turned you into a SpamBot.
196 Guzz (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 07:22 pm Report abuse
From a sheep hut outside Stanley
197 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 07:22 pm Report abuse
DECT is a free thinker, for he is native. Fiends are foreign, for it is the syllogistic way of things.

Fiends wish bane on the Land of Silver, because they detest the thought of our prosperity and happyness. Thus fiends are puckish, and shun them one must.
198 Think (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
(189) GeoffWard2

It never ceases to amaze me how an ostensibly intelligent and well educated individual like you can constantly produce such turnipy and worthless political analysis about your Continent of choice and residence......

Must we blame the Water Fluoridation................... or what?
199 agent999 (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 08:16 pm Report abuse
Think - it is so clever of you to use the word “turnip” as a descriptive phrase, it really shows your maturity that you think that using this term enhances your debating and analytical skills.
200 Ayayay (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 08:16 pm Report abuse
Does the 'successful' part remind anyone of Bernie Madoff?
201 briton (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
Mustapha, laugh…


A slave forced to row on a Spanish galleon,
Beating the drum /row to the drum beat ya dogs.

Ship sinks,
Slave drowns.
Dead beat.
No more beats no more drum..
Mustapha laugh.

202 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
Fiends, any of you are fiends.
203 briton (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
Two fish in the sea,
One was argentine ,
And one was free,

The free fish swam away
With a grin on his lips,

The argie got caught,
And joined with his chips.

204 Ayayay (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 01:21 am Report abuse
I think she's justifiably cofused by the accelarating trend towards increased horizontal organization, leaderless groups (anonymous, occupy) and direct democracy.(do you guys gave propositions yet? Get em :)
205 Nostrolldamus (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 02:24 am Report abuse
The hallowed bosom of the tribe may only yield sour teas,

the saccharine elocutions of the foreign may only yield sweet lees,

yet sour teas invigorate and sweet lees debilitate,

and the folk who choose the lees for being sweet are thus ripe to eat.
206 St.John (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 06:54 am Report abuse
@ 27 Guzz

“The oligarchy tends to represent 5% of the entire population. These are the ones holding on 80+% of the nations wealth.”

Sure, the ultra right wingers and super rich in barrio Boca in Buenos Aires :-D :-D :-D
207 Ayayay (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 06:56 am Report abuse
I think those Argentine economists that were 'censored' had a few ideas.
208 St.John (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 07:06 am Report abuse
@ 52 gonzo and 69 toooldtodieyoung

Gustavo - guzz- will have to read all of his own comments to find out who and where he is and which country he is from - everybody knows he is deranged, which is why he spews nothing but poisonous nonsense and lies.
209 Nostrolldamus (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 07:11 am Report abuse
In one single morning the light so effulgent shone,

signaling to the stuporous tadpoles to emerge,

but the light was puckish with a mind of its own,

it retreated back behind darkness, and the tadpoles froze.
210 St.John (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 07:25 am Report abuse
@ 81 Guzz

“They can always export expats.”

Poor Gustavo, the expats transfer - as a minimum - 2 000 000 000 pesos each year in much needed foreign currency to Argentina.

If the expats leave - and more and more do - the Argentinos will only be worse off.

@ 116 Guzz

“you aren't Tool, you are Poppy now, I can see that because you use the same letters as him.”

:-D :-D :-D Don't we all? like abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz + upper case of same.
211 Guzz (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 07:30 am Report abuse
:-D :-D :-D Don't we all? like abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz + upper case of same.

One can't fool you...
212 St.John (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 07:36 am Report abuse
@ 101 Joe Bloggs

“the Iron Lady decided against it.”

Too much Mrs. Nice Girl from my point of view.

War is so horrible that any means justifies its completion.
213 Simon68 (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 01:40 pm Report abuse
184 Think (#)
Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:05 pm

That is a true troll response to a serious question.

Answer the question, Think, or are you too brainwashed to vattemt an answer???????
214 Guzz (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
No point in answering you lot, you just apply censorship...
215 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
St.John....the trolls think everyone must have multiple ID's because all the trolls If they do it, everyone must do it. Of course, the anti-kirchner crowds do not have to worry about growth.
216 Nostrolldamus (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 05:03 pm Report abuse
Remember if you are my chief or my servant yet both my brother,

that the most wretched chief and the most abused slave remain kin,

for when you attempt deals and colloquy with the foreign others,

the outsiders will lunge their fists to your chin, or flay your skin, even your mother's.
217 Ayayay (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
Serious question, why doesn't she ASK the economists she censored or.Argentine 'opposition' lawmakers to brainstorm some ideas?
218 TipsyThink (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
Wěll doně Gůžž...thiš iš a §ičtořý. !

You šwěpt Conqůěřěř and hiš all othěř naměš.
219 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
#217 Leaders like her do not seek answers that contradict her ideals and concepts. She is an egoist. She is incapable of being seen as making errors......or seeking advice. Just as Hilter lost the war with the greatest generals and the strongest Army in military history because he executed them when they disagreed. If those Generals ran the war, I doubt Barbarosa would have materialized and and Germany would have been fighting a one front war.
220 TipsyThink (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
waš it writtěn čomměnt #(281)bý ščandinavian lěttěřš ?

Conqůěrěr usě his čompůtěř by a woman alongšidě gěněřallý.
221 TheSwede (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
222 TipsyThink (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 08:33 pm Report abuse

give up smoking..

as you know Salem/Kent/Marlboro cigarettes are full of many kinds of chemicals.
223 TheSwede (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
I am sorry, I rather not get involved in your conversations, I am a happy reader
224 TipsyThink (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
You steamed up !
225 TheSwede (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 08:44 pm Report abuse
Don't mind me
226 brit abroad (#) Nov 13th, 2012 - 02:17 am Report abuse
professor Guzz! How's your sailing hours going? It seems to be taking you an awfully long time? I'd say more time spent at sea than talking your usual tripe in here would be beneficial to all parties!

I would like to ask in relation to a previous post of mine, 1) why didn't use spell check when calling yourself a “genius” ( bit like pissing into the wind which you should know about being a nautical man) 2) one a grade of 1 to 10 (ten being the highest) what grade of genius are you?
227 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 13th, 2012 - 04:45 am Report abuse
@226 - Hes the grade of genius that gets himself banned for trolling lol
228 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
A very interesting article
229 ChrisR (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
228 Captain Poppy

Very interesting article. But I have one very important question:

which one is Monica?
230 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
It really is sad to see a country that had and still has such promise. The kirchners have raped, pillaged and looted Argentina more than any industrialist every possibly could.
What is absoultely the saddest? That a country of over 40 million citizens can be ruled by such an evil individual who actually believes that of 40 million, no one is better than her to run Argentina. I am certain there are 39,999,999 more qulaified Argentines.

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