Argentine president criticizes lack of political leadership to present alternative model
Reacting to Thursday massive protest against the government which convened hundreds of thousands of Argentines in the country and overseas, President Cristina Fernandez said that the real problem is the lack of a political leadership that can represent an alternative model to that which has been so successful for the majority of Argentines.
Speaking on Friday from Government House at the launching of a financial program in support of Buenos Aires province municipalities, the president strongly defended the current ‘development and inclusion’ model implemented since 2003 and said she would not change her ideals and policies.
“The true problem is the lack of a political leadership which can represent an alternative model; but we can’t be responsible for that. We believe in the one we have, let to others who don’t believe in our model to build their own”, said Cristina Fernandez.
“Ours is an inclusion model, even for those who disagree and complain about the inclusion of others”, she added claiming that the universal family allowance per child ‘has upset’ those who use to exploit staff such was the case with the domestic service and the migrant workers.
“They are upset with the universal family allowance per child because before they could contract for a few pesos, but now they have a floor which doesn’t allow them to exploit labour, and I’m proud of belonging to a government which helped lower the levels of exploitation”, underlined the Argentine leader.
Further on she admitted that her government makes “many mistakes”, but “I can assure you that this president and her ministers work 24 hours a day”.
“I’m only asking Argentines to help me to build a better Argentina; I’m doing my best, all my effort, more I don’t have. Honestly these are the neurones I have, the time I have and they are all on the table, as I did my whole life and without complaining”, continued CFK.
However, “I’m not victimizing myself; I hate those who victimize themselves, because nobody forced me to be here, and if I’m here at the presidential chair it is because I wanted to be president”.
The president also made a reference to the Argentine frigate impounded and retained in Ghana and said she was hurt, deeply hurt and disappointed that “there are Argentines who are on the side of the vulture funds”.
“My government is temporary, but the motherland where we live is permanent. So when one sees these things (support of vulture funds) one asks what is happening with this cultural domination”.
But she immediately continued recalling that “this is the president who most money invested in ARA Libertad, and I can assure you this government is going to recover her”.
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She got a sense of humour at least!
I guess it's lost in translation.
Woman is barking!
Don't recall seeing a single placard about family allowances.
Nobody works 24 hours a day - you would be dead in a week.
Ironically she plays the victim card again, completely, whilst saying she hates those that victimise themselves.
A serious leader is needed, not this Sarah Palin of the South.
Was this speech at a press conference or in her usual big brother announcements to the state? Oh yeah, i forgot, she doesn't give press conferences because journalists are uncivilsed. Right.
Chuckle chuckle.
As an outsider and reader of Argentine's affairs as they affect countries outside that much maligned and yet potentially great country, I say, to CFK, Great! Let the country take up your suggestion- step aside by allowing a general election, free and open to alternative models.
She is certainly a socialist in the image of Peron, a National Socialist.
this title should be;
” Argentine President criticizes the lack of alternative political leaderhip to present model(leadership). ”
these protest are routine/sport for Argentina
it will be forgotten and will be passing to next other protests.
this is a different culture which is abstruse and unconventional especially for English origin countries who have never elected freely their head of state and have no any idea how these systems run.
i didn't read the article and comments becouse i disapprove in person to discuss them with very outer mouths.
LOLs
She is certainly a mystery that one!
What a tour de force in writng absolute crap. She improves the crap rating each time she opens her mouth.
never had a freely elected head of state? are you talking about the queen? the queen has zero power. Our prime minister makes the decisions, and even though he wouldnt be my personal choice, last time i checked there was definitely an election.
And living in a country where the government does' not spend millions of taxpayers money on building up hate for the only media group who speaks out against them, building up hate for the falklanders, for repsol, the yanquis, the west, the middle class etcetc but instead on fuelling growth and productivity....better and more sustainable for sure. Argentina is becoming more and more 'us and them' - and full of hate. Great achievement cristina.
Can you not see that your 'model' is failing? Are you blind? look out of your window. crime inflation, corruption, failing industry... this was not the argentina of 4 years ago.I admire your loyalty to your dear leader but eventually Argentina will have to start addressing the problems that are building up. What do you think argentina will be like in 10 years if this 'model' (read - poorly thought out experiment) continues? It makes me sad to think.
And how LOW of Cristina to accuse all the protesters of campaigning against the family allowance. Similar policies are standard in any developed country. But any sane administration also has policies to encourage job growth, instead of making people dependent on handouts. Ask 9 out of 10 people and they will say they would prefer to work and accept these handouts, funding for which is vanishing by the day. Shame theres no productive jobs going cos all the businesses are scared off and people have to resort to crime instead.
So; that’s what your “Little something” was all about!
The replacement of professional British Combat troops in occupied Malvinas by Dad’s Army troops…
Has ”Joe Bloggs Curry Take Away” got the contract with the MoD for their Catering?
Anyhow; I think this is a wise first move from London…..:
First move….: Dad’s Army to the Islands……
Second move…: Transplanting military pensioners (as in the 1850’s) , embedding them Islands with a loyalist population who has the skills and experience to defend Her Majesty’s supreme rights against any uppity colonial Kelper.
Third move….: Invigorate and revitalize the vibrant social fabric of them Islands and rejuvenate its aging population by establishing a re-convalescence center for all those young crippled, maimed and limbless veterans from Britain’s last many inglorious wars.
Chuckle Chuckle©
Don't you know almost all countries have “” Mafioso “” interrelations in the world. also contain some gang/terror ingredients...this is reality.
Remember ,1980th years Vatikan-- Money Laundering--Italian Mafia- British Banks connections.
Have you been taking lessons from Turkey neck on deflection, the article is about a million peopleon the streets if B A protesting against your leader and her ridiculous response to them
by the way ;
the Clarin-State(Government) dispute has not been have relations on media freedom.
you should see the social problems more deeper than ever.
finally,i should say that
you can not have free media domestically and all around the world
becouse you can not produce your own news freely...
all news you obtained are serviced from each country State ( i didn't say Government) to manipulate the people.
They aren't here, Mendoza.
Only Brits and yanquis here, and theyn't care about anything else than spit on your country and flag.
Why don't you give them a hand?
The difference between when they protest and when we did so, is that we got shot at...
Any administration which has that many people taking to the streets to protest against it can not be thought of as doing a good job can it? I mean, a government is there to serve EVERYONE, and while not everyone can be happy all of the time, to have 1mn people so unhappy that they take to the streets, is a sign of a failed regime.
I wish your gestalt would make its mind up how old it is and where it lives... it gets very confusing seeing “Guzz” one minute claim “he” is 20 and then the next minute that he's a turn-of-the-century freedom fighter.
Still, nicely diverted the thread topic again, so “Mission successful” i guess. (still dont see you chaps getting a monthly bonus though, even though you are slowly recovering from the shock of the mass protests...why, only on the 4th of November you were crying out that CFK had 100% support of argentines ALL over the world”....and floundering with what to say or do... today you all seem back on the ball happily diverting threads within a few posts only.... ) ¬_¬
If you do the math, 5% of 42M, is 8.4M.
I'm actually surprised not more people showed up, having in mind that lots of people where political no-go's airing discomfort...
The TA has been making up part of the MPA garrison for years. At least a decade.
yeah, the only people there are the millionaires, right? Surely Cristina should be there by that argument.
Those protesting are not the middle class workers who are striving to save abit of money, but cant do that in pesos as the value drops every day with the governments inflation lies?
I agree inequality in Argentina needs to be tackled. Maybe sorting out your tax system would help? instead of stealing land and resources, bankrupting and expropriating the businesses which are necessary for long term growth, forcing the most productive to leave the country in search of opportunities and breeding hatred of anyone who thinks differently?
Argentina used to be my favorite country on the face of the planet. Now theres so much hate, so much anger. Its completely polarised, and not a pleasant place to be anymore.
What a successful regime.
“yeah, the only people there are the millionaires, right?”
I never said that, I stated that lots of them are common folks airing discomfort.
Mainly insecurity.
And insecurity can be battled on two fronts. 1 by increasing the police and decreasing the freedom of the people, and 2 by addressing the poverty.
Number 1 has been tried and tested many places globally and tends to lead to overcrowded jails, not reducing crime a bit.
Of course the oligarchy will cry, nobody expects them to drop their standard of living by own free will.
But it's like smashing your tomb with a hammer. It hurts, but it's only temporary...
Imagine that...
A Peronist can not survive without “ THE PEOPLE” to mobilize she looks weak and completely nutty and even the dumb poor people realize the country is sinking into oblivion.
December should be fun to watch as each Province runs out of $ to pay salaries and expenses they will rely on Fed gov't x-fers which won't be forthcoming. The $ for subsidies (bribes) is all but gone. Very little reserves are left, very little U$ are left in the banking system, Anses stated they can't pay full pensions, grains are falling, crops will be avg to bad next year, but what will be the last straw...hard to say but we all know it is coming soon.
The reckoning is days or weeks not months or years now...
“The reckoning is days or weeks now” the Doomsday Prepper at (33) says..........
I'll better drive to “La Anonima” and buy every single Spey Malt bottle I can find!
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....... The reckoning is coming!
;-)))
Did she say “we cant be responsible for the lack of leadership of the opposition?” Neither are we responsible for the lack of idea in choosing vice presidents (Boudou is worst than Cobos, and she choosed him) and funcionarios corruptos, neither we are responsible for the bad management of inflation (just go to the supermarket) and economy, or for the bad management of security or for the increasing necessity of her to extend her period in power, etc etc.
Continue to buy sugar and laundry detergent it will be like gold soon enough.
We've seen your predictions. Bloody useless.
How did you miss Sandy, the re-election of Obama and the fact that S&P are common crooks?
I can easily see the path nutty CFK is taking Argentina though...me and the rest of the world and thank goodness most of the population of Argentina now! I wonder what took them so long...they're not a smart people...I guess
I missed your burps on the S&P thread....
You really have no comments?
What she does know is that she is stuffed.
And she is right in saying that no one has come up with an alternative 'model'.
The opposition in RGland needs to get its shit together but they won't.
They are just a gaggle of ratbags all hoping for a turn at getting their snouts in the trough.
Corruption... the one thing that RGs excel at.
Sure, you go first.
Throw your keyboard at her.
Fool...
and why do you think insecurity is growing? Because poverty is NOT being addressed! It hasnt decreased since 2008 at all, stuck stubbornly at around 21%, despite the lies Cristina spouts about it falling to 6% (you just need to look out your window to know that isnt the case)
You know the best way to tackle poverty and in turn, insecurity?
You create jobs. you invest in creating a skilled workforce, through education, through training, through providing opportunities. You form an environment where businesses and entrepreneurship can grow and prosper (stable currency, low risk, respect for laws, property rights...) You build relationships based on transparency, you gain respect through cooperation within the international community. You produce something that is of value to the world, which increases wealth and prosperity. and if the wealth goes disproportionately to the richer in society, you implement taxes in a transparent and non-corrupt way, and you provide a social safety net for the weakest.
You cant provide a social safety net if businesses are failing, you have such low tax income as evasion is easier than compliance. you cant build fruitful relationships internationally if you are the world's laughing stock, and if your president says she wont pay back her debts, while simultaneously begging for foreign investment in total desperation. The height of hypocracy.
Ric, Ric, Ricardo....
Ricky go skiing along!!!!
I agree, instead, CFK is forced to deal with a bunch of oligarch titwits... Such a shame...
Macri isn't in the government, is he?
What did I miss???
Tell that to Simón...
Can you tell me in which country you are living at the moment? I assume it is not the country where I live i.e.Argentina, where inflation soars, crime is rife (robberies and killings on a daily basis), corruption is at its highest level even worse than in the Menem era), the country has turned into a drug traffic haven, citizens and journalist who criticizes the Governments policies get publicly slammed by Cristina in her epic national broadcasts and many have the Afip visiting them the very next day, and people who protest peacefully against these issues are automatically tagged by Cristina´s cronies and supporters as posh upper class citizens (you called them oligarchs) who work in this country and pay their taxes, while corrupt politicians like Bodou make a fortune with our money? Cristina increased her wealth by 931% over the last 8 years when Nestor and she have been ruling the country...If you live in Argentina, may I ask you what you do for a living?
Is that all you got? “Where do you live?”
Bloody pathetic...
Your 5 % is véry optímistic number,if trúe Argentina well moré
developed country thán all others,while 0,3 % control the regimé in UK.
In your head, and only in the bizzaro world of Guzz do statements like that can appear as statements of facts.
You are not that dumb guzz, if you are trying to prove a point try something someone, anyone, might believe.
We've been through this before remember. When the figures all come out like they did last time they'll show that Argentina comes in only very very fractionally behind the US in those figures. Yawn. You tried that one last time as you were beginning to implode. ...and you told me I was several other Mercopress contributors last time also.
Don't go completely until I get back from the birthday lunch I'm about to go to.
You have your weekly school massacres (cinemas at weekends) to put you up there, yanqui...
If you do you are more gullible than I thought you were!!!!
The famous “oligarchs” from your 1970's revolutionary dreams NEVER went out on the streets, they never even lived in Argentina, they were in Paris, New York, London, antwhere but where their precious lives might be in peril. And nothing has changed except that they are a good bit richer and laughing a good bit harder at the ridiclous spoutings of the outdated Tupas, ERP, Montoneros, MPT, etc.
The truth of the matter is that the protest was massively supported by every strata of society, including those that get government subsidies, simply because the subsidies no longer provide enough contention to make them feel safe, thanks to inflation!!!!!!!!
On another note
I will laugh and laugh if Argentina has to buy wheat from the USA this year
There's a reason they can't vote, and the reason is that nobody cares about their opinions.
It's simple, use cash and be quiet.
Under the magna carta, the queen and all other royalty and politicians serve the people, they do not rule us, it us us that rule them. The queen is simply a figure head with no powers and is only appointed the head of state by the people, same for the PM as he has no powers and a vote in parliment, by elected representatives from all areas of the UK, is needed before any thing the PM wants to do can be done.
She's not only old and ugly, she's also useless...
Sounds like a truth directly taken from yanqui's head...
“I’m not victimizing myself; I hate those who victimize themselves”
This woman is seriously deranged
59 Simon68
It's ok, just ignore Guzz, he has told so many lies that he doesn't know what to believe anymore, I think he has forgotton that the only one he is fooling now is himself.
You are kidding us --OR --you are more drunk thán me. !
I want to organize a party at my backyard and invite all héad of states
of the world ,certainly all are people elect head of states,
if i invíte and talk with your Queen who not elected by hér peoplé then i disregard/disrespect the British peoplé.
What's the “3rd world”?
Patronizing fool?
How does it feel to get educated in your own language?
Tool
What's the “3rd world”?
What? you want an Geography lesson now? Well, OK if you want.... The 3rd World would be considered those that have not yet fully developed economically or socially ( so you could count Argentina among them ) ..............
But hey there you go, that's just my take on it. If you are a Thinker then PLEASE, PLEASE explain the two statements below ( if you can!!! )
Griesa's comments came in response to remarks by Argentine President Cristina Fernandez, who said the country would not pay “one dollar to the 'vulture funds'.”
But she immediately continued recalling that “this is the president who most money invested in ARA Libertad, and I can assure you this government is going to recover her”.
The only way I can explain them is that
1/ this woman doesn't know what she is saying from one moment to the next
or
2/ She really is a mad B*tch!!!!
I'd say she is confident that Ghana can't afford to withhold the ship for long, unless she [Ghana] is getting paid by a 3rd party
or
She is confident that the ship will be recovered legally
or
She will loose her patience and set sails.
Matter of fact, it doesn't matter what she does. What matters is what your side does ;)
He is a bit pathetic isn't he? Poor Child Guzz, just out of playgroup and thinks he can play with the big boys...............
All he can do is whine and stamp his feet like the little b*tch he is................. What a Clown!!
You are right, I can't play with the big boys.
Which brings me here to these threads...
I might not be able to play with the big boys, but with you lot? With one eye only...
I can send you some Arg blueberries if you wish, we have plenty of them here in Toronto!!! :)
sniff;;;
@7 Was that it then? Executive Council approved the immediate investigation of the legal requirements and consequences of the creation of a Port Authority in the Falkland Islands and further investigation of the Joint Venture led funding model with the private sector as a potential long-term strategy for funding port infrastructure? And you think that stopped all subsequent mentions of the Falkland Islands by the President of Argentina do you? Uhm, equally interesting.
LOL!!! Too right.... This woman is a joke!!!
What part of the margna carta and later versions of it have you not read? Oh i get it you haven't read any the original or later version. Therefore you don't know what your talking about. The Queen became head of state by lineage i.e. her ancestors were appointed Head of State by the people when the magna carta was first signed by King John whom was appointed the first head of state.
Now there has been debates recently about whether to keep the monacrchey or not. Why do you think those debates are allowed, if the queen was not a servant of the people and subject to the peoples rule? Simple, its because we the people have the right to take away her appointment of head of state as and when we choose, which by doing so would end the monarcy.
Also you have alot to thank us for too. Because if it wasn't for the magna carta, democracy and freedoms we have today would not exist and we would all be the subjects of despot rulers, and dictator. Which you argentines know all about, don't you!
Interestingly, the U.S. is said to have the.most fteedom of expression Argentinaf any country in the world.
88 slatzz
It can only be that they hate to lose so much that they have to change names to keep face publicly. What deadbeats.
Hey troll, we grow our own blueberries here in the north too, it just can't be done year-round. I suppose you think we are expropriating your blueberries instead of buying them, (the imported ones are much more expensive).
well at least the bitch admitted it!!!
I don't guess you can discuss the “ democracy ” with a French.
read UK last 200 years history...read France last 200 yèars history
when you compàre them ,which conclùsions do you have ?
And with that hasn't she outdone all prime ministers in the history of the UK, Europe, and all presidents in the history of the USA, who have yet to admit to have made any mistakes—ever.
No, a UK Prime Minister pretty recently admitted that it was a mistake that the UK Government didn't authorise a couple of operations that were ready to role on the Argentine mainland that would have ended the conflict sooner than 14 June.
She knows what's going to happen in the next couple of years better than the average Argentine. It's fine NOW, right?
It was Nestor that defaulted, not her.Even though she likely supported it. He gambled SO wrong. He gambled on margin, and now the challenge is TWICE as big.
And, the Argentines usually have a new currency every 20. She gave herself too much credit, but she shouldn't take so much blame.
Let the currency naturally devaluate. Sure you will have to go through a period where you're not idolized, but you'll stop making Mendoza wine co-operatives import rice or shoes or whatever.
Are these Maquis related to the North American cranberry by any chance, they too only grow in the short summer. I have never come across them in Argentina but I know they grow rhubarb in Chubut.
Maquis are a recent thing, and are still not sold much in supermarkets. You have to go out on the countryside to get them.
Hi I am Isolde,,,sometimes I claim I am a computer
lol
We had rhubarb growing in Cordoba and we got the plants in Trelew, finding it is the problem, growing it is as easy as dandelions!
What about spending 5 U$D for some ruibarbo seeds?
articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-434258946-semillas-de-ruibarbo-_JM
Matter of fact is that Zhivago and Mendoza is one person, having a pointless conversation with himself. Me, I'm amazed he agrees...
Have you decided if you're Argentine, Uruguyan, Swedish, or Danish yet? Are you a 50 year old ex ships engineer or still a 20 year old student living in northern europe?
If YOU want to convince people you aren't a deadbeat, you'll have to.... You'll have to... Uhm... You'll have to... Do something drastic......
I'd answer, but you aren't Tool, you are Poppy now, I can see that because you use the same letters as him...
did you fínd the other namés of “ briton ” at thís forum ?
They work in shift, Briton is day-shift, sometimes they forget to log out and you can practically SEE conqueror at the keyboard...
No, you won't answer.... Oh you say you will but you won't. You will go on and on about shootings in American school and Cinema's
You will talk at length about the UK and USA killing women and children but you won't answer my question, even though people have asked it many times, you still won't answer it... so you shall be from now and for ever more be known as “Deadbeat”.
Enjoy
also works on 24 hours,non stop .... why ?
also comments are not from America continent time, possibly from Europe/Asia Pacific.
22.54 local time
Chuckle chuckle.
I found one of the comméntators
you can not beliéve where he is from ..has moustache...old man...
I am respéctful to old persons..listén always them..
Studied a lot to achieve your current position, didn't you... Deadbeat?
Thanks Guzz. It means a lot to me.
Britain/England has been a democracy for almost 800 years. The first elected parliment being De Montfort's Parliament in 1265!
Noe France on the other hand was an absolute monarcy uptil 1792 - 3 years after the start of the french revolution!
As for the comparison of both countries history in the last 2 hundred years - Well fpr france you have - Nepoleon, german invasion in WWI, German conquest and occupation in WW2 and more recently strong supporters of an EU wide STATE, run by unelected officials.
FOr Britain we have Beat Nepoleon, Helped the virtually won WW1 for you even though it wasn't really our fight as the germans weren't invading us, help along with the americans, and other allies to liberate Franch in WW2 (Giving the french their democracy and freedom back! and now are position ourselves to stick the fingers up at the unelected EU officials and EU states that want to create 1 EU super state, in order to protect not just british sovereignty, but our very way of live and democratic society along with the freedoms that come with it. As i said, we rule the queen and the politicians here in the UK so their is no way we will give up or freedom and rule over this country so that unelected EU officials can stick their noses into our daily lives and tell us want we can and can't do and tax us to high heaven.
Now do you really want to carry on comparing the democratic histroy of Britain/England with that of France's. Personally as france has only been a democarcy for only just 220 years compared to 800 years here in britain. Youd be pretty foolish to even contemplate making such comprasion in the first place.
Though its interesting how you only wanted to compare the last 200 years and not the last 800 years, but then hardly surprising since franch only has 220 years of democracy!!
By the way, aren't we playing your little game anymore?
I was really enjoying it...
Don't you lot like a spoonful of your own medicine?
Do you like to eat beef ?
Yes mate, I love it, and when I put the fork in it, I prefer a distant “mooh”...
Laugh ...Laugh...Laugh...Laugh....Laugh....Laugh...Laugh...Laugh....
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127/Lipton
Do you really know the meaning of “ democracy ”“
All societies have been democrat at the same time non democrat.
You can not talk about ” democracy “” becouse you didn't use your democratic rights on British Iraq/Afghanistan military operations as making in a referandum for inquiry and decision making.
I was talking about 1979-1982 when I was actually a resident of Argentina, sorry to confuse you. I think you'll find that its mainly the Arg contributors who use more than one alias.
Want to see a win-win, Tipsy?
Look:
I bloody love shutting their mouths.
Bloody priceless :)))
I like Beef too with red wine ,salad,pickles.
Bring your friends... :))
1, the real problem is the lack of a political leadership
[is she then not the political leadership.
2, I’m only asking Argentines to help me to build a better Argentina
Whilst we deny this to the Falklands.[apt]
3, I’m doing my best
[But not best enough..
4, I did my whole life and without complaining
[The UN may not think so….
5, deeply hurt and disappointed that “there are Argentines who are on the side of the vulture funds”.
[Please then pay your debt, other have to….
6, “My government is temporary
[But how temporary..
…………………………………………………………………………
Self indulgence, self criticisms , self first,
CFK must, as leader carry the can of hope of failure..
,
worth a moan, is it not..
”...The first Parliament was called by Simon de Montfort in 1265, but in terms of a democratically elected Parliament that had more political power than the monarch, 1688 and the Glorious Revolution, which turned Britain into a Constitutional Monarchy can be said to be the year Britain became a true democracy.
The Interregnum between the execution of Charles I (1649) and the Restoration of Charles II (1660) were years when Britain was anything but a democracy, the country being a military dictatorship controlled by the army.”
you saying britain was not a democracy untill 1688,
hardly old chap,
mind you monmouth did lose hhis head.
Dreams of the future, mmm well i often dream of winning the damm lottery, and still dreaming,
To die for dreams of the past, , we I can agree in part,
if you accept that CFK and argentina dying for a dream of the past events that they never owned or held, would be not only a false dream, but yes many will die for dreaming of it..
An angel fiend is still a fiend, and a wretched brother still a brother. Blood cannot be stanched, and foreign blood can poison. Bane to the ones from beyond! Who wish us ill, harm, and wrath.
And still the above holds true, that dreams are no pabulum, but they sure can starve.
My roman mates dealt with them.
Back on Monday mates.
Peace my human friend,
Just remember the golden words,
If you believe life after life, and paradise is waiting.
Don’t let us mere mortals keep you waiting .mmm
.
As for this statement - “All societies have been democrat at the same time non democrat.” So all countries in the world are democracy then even if they are communism, which is a non democractic country - jesus your logic is flawed!
And for this statement - “You can not talk about ” democracy “” becouse you didn't use your democratic rights on British Iraq/Afghanistan military operations as making in a referandum for inquiry and decision making.” I think you will find the policitians who represent their own local areas own local population, voted in parliment in favour of it. When we vote people into parliment they represent us for the full term until we vote someone else in during the next election. Thats how democracy works idiot. We have the power to call on the government by petitioning them if we are not happy with what they are doing.
@138 - Point is it was elected, thats is democracy - So what about the years between 1649 -1680 those were the years of civil war between the royalists and Parliamentarians, parliment was still in control of the country, though people were split between supporting the king or parliment, but parliment won in the end and therefore so did democracy. So your point is kind of mute.
“And for this statement - “You can not talk about ” democracy “” becouse you didn't use your democratic rights on British Iraq/Afghanistan military operations as making in a referandum for inquiry and decision making.” I think you will find the policitians who represent their own local areas own local population, voted in parliment in favour of it.”
Damn right. Between that misunderstanding and your correction, you raise a good point. It is, however, a point that is lost on those who live in flawed deomcracies based on thing but populism and theft.
Did Galtieri offer the Argentine people a referendum on starting a war which could only ever have ended in a hilariously humiliating defeat for the Argentine slave army? Yes you can claim that the evil junta didn't express the will of the people BUT every single action your (supposedly democratic) governments have taken since the 1983 have shown your support for their genocidal agenda AND the whole world has seen some hilarious footage of the Argentine people turning out in their tens of thousands to support the VIOLENT AND MURDEROUS SUBJUGATION OF A FEW THOUSAND PEACEFUL ISLANDERS. Where was your moral objection to war, violence and subjugation then?
Even 29 years after the fall of the Military Junta you still host nationalist rallies and mint commemorative coinage celebrating your GLORIOUS VICTORY OF 14000 CONSCRIPTS OVER 2000 INNOCENT COLONISTS AND 80 ROYAL MARINES before 1200 special forces kicked your heads in.
So, you want to complain that a million or more protesting in London against the Iraq war didn't bring down a government? We have since used democracy to do away with that government and the Iraq war is done with. Maybe 30 years from now Argentina will grow up and treat the falklands with the same equantimity.
My kids are more Uruguayan than mate [maté, you call it]...
I'm here to get my licence and sailing hours, there's no more to it.
Why are you so interested in what I do? You ask and ask and then you complain when I answer...
That's a lie, many more people gathered some 10 years ago.
Rodriguez Saá, de la Rua... Remember them?
You don't do you? Sure you aren't yanquiboy?
You say:
”It makes me proud that so many people have adopted my term ”deadbeat” ………. Chuckle chuckle.”
I say….:
Your term ?
The word “deadbeat” has been used in here for ages by “Mr. Yankiboy”, formerly known as “fredbdc” or “Mr. Fred Bates” our resident bold ”Shoes Salesman”, ”Real Estate Agent” and “Doomsday Prepper” from Washington D.C., USA.
I'll quote him….:
“(5) fredbdc Sep 10th, 2010 …. Why are Argentinians such deadbeats?”
en.mercopress.com/2010/09/10/kirchner-cabinet-refutes-ft-report-no-imf-revision-of-argentine-economy
PS:
1) Did you order coleslaw or chips at Nev’s the other day?
The suspense is killing me........
2) It makes me proud that so many Islanders, including you, have adopted my terms “Chuckle chuckle©” and “Turnip©”
But you Islanders are some real “deadbeats”….
You have never paid any royalties for any of my “Chuckle chuckles©” or my Turnips©
Chuckle chuckle©
So you yourself are comparing Thursday's marches and the situation in argentina now with the crisis of 2001, widely thought to be the worst economic crisis a country has ever suffered?
Internet is full of informants.
Divert them.
We trust you.
deadbeat [ˈdɛdˌbiːt]
n
1. (Sociology) Informal a lazy or socially undesirable person
2. Chiefly US
a. a person who makes a habit of avoiding or evading his or her responsibilities or debts
b. (as modifier) a deadbeat dad
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
In sum, I find the cap does not fit so I shan't be wearing it at the Remembrance Day service I'm now off out to attend.
the rule of the nature.
Now i would laugh, but given that it demostrates just how bad crime is in argentina, then it kind of makes the protest by N8 valid!
“word in fully explains”
Have another drink Stink, you’ll make more sense.
“the rule of the nature”, is the weak go extinct, not long to go for Argentina then.
no !
operacion condor(CIA operation) was before the Reagan era.
Did this causerie disturb you and your CIA owners. ?
And when did it stop?
in the year of 1980 !
consortiumnews.com/2012/07/06/did-reagan-know-about-baby-thefts/
Furthermore, we also have the Contras...
Don't worry about me, boy, should I go, someone else will fill my shoes ;)
:)))))
you care enough to post about it!!!
operation condor started in 1975,
on the ball as per usuall. lol
Nov 11th, 2012 - 09:18 am
Dear Think,
As an avowed supporter of Hermes Binner, I wonder what your opinion is of the La Campora “Narcosocialism” attack on Mr. Binner and his Party.
I must say that such an attack on a thoroughly honest and straight forward person such as Mr. Binner is particularly sordid in the light of the Santa Fé ex-police chief being freed “por falta de merito”!!!!!
Does this situation complicate your very vocal support of the Sra. Presidente?
Ohh and a little birdie told me you won't be able to use or create other accounts to post with either. God technology can be such a blessing at times, at least for me and fellow poster/readers on here that have got sick and tired of your trolling, disrespectful and unnecessary posting.
Say hello to Alex, webmaster :)))
Well if you really don’t care, WTF are you doing here getting all upset, when you could be out living a life somewhere?
Please don't give up - you are providing too many laughs!
As I have repeated many times in here, I try to interact as little as possible with Turnips.......... And you are a big Turnip.....
Any Argie stating publicly as you have that...: “Everybody in government should be shot”................
Is not only a big Turnip but a big dangerous Turnip.....
Been there, met your type....
Nunca Más!
S. Atlantic/Antarctica being British Territory since before Argentina ever existed.
For the Amerindians, it’s the modern Argentines that are the “tramontane fiends”.
likewise under the skins of Argentine,Chilean,Aussie,American(US),Mexican...so many others depend on ambience.
“ruthless self-seeking and an arrogant assumption that others and things exist for one's own benefit”
Yet that same innefable fiend that uses “time” for this wretched purpose, then seeks to discard time when the shameful immoralities which longer existence naturally usher as concomitants balk their cupidity.
These urchins inveigle Father Time to further their wordly rights, but then betray it when time proves inconvenient.
But despair because of thee I shall not. For condign comeuppance for such debauched and warped codes of conduct will befall. The Sages tell it is so.
it's that the Peronistas increasingly created Action without Strategy.
And where there is evidence of Strategy - remove the assets of foreign companies - it is ill-founded and counter-productive.
CFK knows this, and this is her CRY FOR HELP.
She has run out of ideas, and this is as close as she will likely ever get to admitting it.
She may get some help but, having alienated most sectors of society - the 'public', public andministration, government and oppositions -
it is more probable that she will be allowed to drown in public and with worldwide publicity.
This way, an incoming new administration will be able to claim a New Start,
untainted by the Peronistas and their abuse of power.
Remains to be seen if the Incomings will be any better.
Exactly what “Sages” is that? The book of “Tobias on Speed”.
Well that clears that up.
Oh no, Tobias, they have turned you into a SpamBot.
From a sheep hut outside Stanley
Fiends wish bane on the Land of Silver, because they detest the thought of our prosperity and happyness. Thus fiends are puckish, and shun them one must.
It never ceases to amaze me how an ostensibly intelligent and well educated individual like you can constantly produce such turnipy and worthless political analysis about your Continent of choice and residence......
Must we blame the Water Fluoridation................... or what?
Deadbeat,
A slave forced to row on a Spanish galleon,
Beating the drum /row to the drum beat ya dogs.
Ship sinks,
Slave drowns.
Dead beat.
No more beats no more drum..
Mustapha laugh.
???
.
One was argentine ,
And one was free,
The free fish swam away
With a grin on his lips,
The argie got caught,
And joined with his chips.
.
the saccharine elocutions of the foreign may only yield sweet lees,
yet sour teas invigorate and sweet lees debilitate,
and the folk who choose the lees for being sweet are thus ripe to eat.
“The oligarchy tends to represent 5% of the entire population. These are the ones holding on 80+% of the nations wealth.”
Sure, the ultra right wingers and super rich in barrio Boca in Buenos Aires :-D :-D :-D
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGEpcL88AA4
Gustavo - guzz- will have to read all of his own comments to find out who and where he is and which country he is from - everybody knows he is deranged, which is why he spews nothing but poisonous nonsense and lies.
signaling to the stuporous tadpoles to emerge,
but the light was puckish with a mind of its own,
it retreated back behind darkness, and the tadpoles froze.
“They can always export expats.”
Poor Gustavo, the expats transfer - as a minimum - 2 000 000 000 pesos each year in much needed foreign currency to Argentina.
If the expats leave - and more and more do - the Argentinos will only be worse off.
@ 116 Guzz
“you aren't Tool, you are Poppy now, I can see that because you use the same letters as him.”
:-D :-D :-D Don't we all? like abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz + upper case of same.
One can't fool you...
“the Iron Lady decided against it.”
Too much Mrs. Nice Girl from my point of view.
War is so horrible that any means justifies its completion.
Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:05 pm
That is a true troll response to a serious question.
Answer the question, Think, or are you too brainwashed to vattemt an answer???????
that the most wretched chief and the most abused slave remain kin,
for when you attempt deals and colloquy with the foreign others,
the outsiders will lunge their fists to your chin, or flay your skin, even your mother's.
You šwěpt Conqůěřěř and hiš all othěř naměš.
waš it writtěn čomměnt #(281)bý ščandinavian lěttěřš ?
Conqůěrěr usě his čompůtěř by a woman alongšidě gěněřallý.
give up smoking..
as you know Salem/Kent/Marlboro cigarettes are full of many kinds of chemicals.
I would like to ask in relation to a previous post of mine, 1) why didn't use spell check when calling yourself a “genius” ( bit like pissing into the wind which you should know about being a nautical man) 2) one a grade of 1 to 10 (ten being the highest) what grade of genius are you?
www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/how_to_destroy_a_rich_country.html
Very interesting article. But I have one very important question:
which one is Monica?
What is absoultely the saddest? That a country of over 40 million citizens can be ruled by such an evil individual who actually believes that of 40 million, no one is better than her to run Argentina. I am certain there are 39,999,999 more qulaified Argentines.
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