Friday, November 16th 2012 - 06:11 UTC

Rajoy would have liked Cristina Fernandez to have attended the summit

Spanish President Mariano Rajoy stated that he “would have liked” his Argentine counterpart, President Cristina Fernández to have attended the XXIIth Ibero-American summit, starting Friday in Cádiz.

“As everybody knows, the Argentine decision on YPF satisfied neither us nor anyone around the world”, said the Spanish president

In an interview published by Argentine daily La Nación, Rajoy revealed that the President had called him to state that she would not be attending, adding “it seems that there are health reasons, although these were not entirely clear to me.”

It was announced earlier this week that Cristina Fernández would not be attending following a recent bout of hypotension, and the Spanish leader said that her absence “is not an obstacle for us as we try to ensure that relations are as positive as possible between two countries that have a lot in common.”

However, in this context Rajoy described the nationalization of Spanish company Repsol’s majority share in YPF by the Argentine government in April this year as “not the right decision.”

“As everybody knows, the Argentine decision on YPF satisfied neither us nor anyone around the world. This is perfectly understandable, and needs no further explanation,” said the Spanish prime minister in the interview.

“I would like the situation to be reverted and that things could be discussed, that a dialogue could exist, and I would also like a solution. This decision has not been correct, from our point of view, and has not received support from anyone, anywhere,” said Rajoy.

“Our government defends Spain and her interests in the way it thinks is best. From that starting point, we take decisions to solve problems. For that reason, we don’t make statements nor will we ask for anybody’s head,” said the Spanish president, adding that “I do not think that Argentina has helped this situation at all.”

Media sources reported that the phone call was conducted with a tone of “great cordiality”, although it was not clarified if this was the first conversation between the two leaders since YPF was taken over by the Argentine government.

Besides Cristina Fernandez, Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez will also be absent because of health reasons and so will Uruguay’s Jose Mujica, whose medical team, at last moment strongly discouraged the long flying hours because of a possible thrombosis.

The others are Otto Perez Molina from Guatemala trying to recover from a deadly earthquake; Cuba’a Raul Castro facing the destruction left by hurricane Sandy and finally Paraguay’s Federico Franco.

In this last case, President Franco was not invited on suggestion from Unasur and Mercosur members who threatened not to attend if Franco participated. Paraguay is suspended from the two regional groupings following the removal in an impeachment process by the Senate of Fernando Lugo.

The removal process was according to the rules but Mercosur and Unasur described the removal of the former bishop a rupture of the democratic process.
 

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1 Pirat-Hunter (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:01 am Report abuse
Argetines around the world support CFK 100% over the nationalization of YPF and will like to thank the spanish president for considering 35.000.000 Argentine nobody's, I hope he realizes that nobody wants to sit a a table with blood suckers anymore. Give them blood suckers enough time alone and they will cry for blood or start killing each other.
Its a common occurrence to see a scavenger come back and sniff the area of the last kill.
2 War Monkey (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:49 am Report abuse
More likely though that she is worried Tango One might be impounded by the local bailiff.
3 DanyBerger (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:59 am Report abuse
“Our government defends Spain and her interests in the way it thinks is best” Said Raja-hoy

Yeap sure Bankia also will agree with that, but unfortunately Spanish taxpayers are paying the fiasco with unemployment and austerity cuts like idiot Britons.
4 ElaineB (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 11:16 am Report abuse
A lot of LatAm leaders on sick notes.
5 jkw (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 12:36 pm Report abuse
South American countries not wanting to swap spit with European neocolonism is no sin. (Spain wore its welcome out in the Americas a long long time ago.)

.....and let's face it, Repsol was a parasite sucking the lifesblood of the nation's people based on agreements inked with corrupt politicians from the recent neocolonial past....It is a myth fostered by global capitalism and banking that a nation's people must be held hostage to the corruption of former political leaders.

That US courts will issue orders protecting vulture capitalism is expected...Corporations in the US are allowed to buy and sell politicians via the election mechanism because US courts say they are people. But a new century is upon the US and Americans may no longer support parasitic capitalism now that it is being used against them and their children at home. (Cynical? Yes. Accurate? More than a little)
6 Simon68 (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
3 DanyBerger (#)
Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:59 am

It seems to me that the Spanish taxpayers are now footing the bill for ten years of extravagant partying, rather the same as we are in Argentina!!!!!!
7 Santa Fe (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 12:48 pm Report abuse
she usually turns up to the opening of an envelope, hope all is well in the CFK camp :(
8 LEPRecon (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 01:57 pm Report abuse
@7 - Santa fe

Probably worried that:

a. Tango 1 would be impounded.
b. Can't afford the air fare.
c. That her position would be usurped in her absence.
d. No decent shoe shops in Spain.

Take your pick. ;)
9 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 01:59 pm Report abuse
Hey argentina.....hey did that YPF takeover work out? I see the stock was trading at 40 U$ dollars in January and opened this morning at under 10 U$ dollars. No new money and ANSES cannot keep funding current operations.
10 ElaineB (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 02:12 pm Report abuse
She just needed the petty cash in the safe. I hope all she found was IOUs.
11 Idlehands (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
How much cash has she given Repsol so far for unilaterally taking over YPF?
12 yankeeboy (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 02:45 pm Report abuse
Two nice little tidbits today:

Germans won't fix the corvette in SA until the outstanding balance of Argentina's bill is paid and they PREPAY for their needed repairs.

YPF is losing a lawsuit in Paris and will have to pay U$1.4B and since it is not “sovereign” but public they'll really have to pay or the winners will be able to seize assets.

How does she get out of bed everyday?
13 Idlehands (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
What lawsuit is going on in Paris regarding YPF ?
14 yankeeboy (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
www.ieco.clarin.com/economia/Podrian-condenar-YPF-cortar-Brasil_0_811719013.html
Google Translate :
In the coming weeks an international arbitration could convict YPF to pay U.S. $ 1,633 million by cutting off the supply of gas to Brazil, said the newspaper. We have to decide the International Chamber of Commerce in Paris. The dispute has already been four years and could complicate the recently nationalized YPF.

Another little problem...it's 7.4/1U$ in gray market rate...
Will we see a devaluation shortly?
15 Conqueror (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
@1 Of course, 35 million argies are nobodies. Whatever made you think that any of them were “somebody”? Who are these “bloodsuckers”? Is it just Spain? Or anyone you owe money to? But you should watch out for “bloodsuckers”. They may come for YOUR blood. Even though you have fled your “country”.
@3 Nope. Spain is far worse off than Britain. How to measure. Spanish inflation is similar to that in Britain but MUCH lower than that in argieland. Spanish GDP (both types) is lower than Britain but MUCH higher than that in argieland. Spanish unemployment is HIGHER than in argieland AND HIGHER than in Britain. On balance, Spain looks to be following argieland down the tubes. And here's a thought. When Spain finally admits that it needs a bail-out, Britain will NOT provide any charity. Who knows what demands Britain might make, even for a loan? Freedom for any “province” that demands it?
@5 Ah, yes. How to defend actions in breach of one's constitution. Is that a “rupture of the democratic order”? And then how to defend against having to repay debts. Followed by “It isn't us, it's them”. How would you like a “new world order” where countries can band together and “take” the territory, possessions, resources of a country that refuses to pay its debts. Plus penalties. Soon be nothing left of argieland.
16 Pirat-Hunter (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
#4 yes I agree I would be sick too of euro trash and the english war mongers at the same table regurgitating the crap they usually ventilate out of ignorance. We Argentines are very glad CFK didn't sit at the same table with this blood suckers.
#5 at least the parasite has the excuse that it has no choice. One has to wonder why Spain or USA would choose to be a parasite.
#6 extravagant partying ? You must be talking about your family. Because until just a few weeks ago children in the streets of Buenos Aires where recycling cardboard and glass for a sandwich.
#7 everything is great in the CFK and la campora you should join them.
#8 I don't know if you avoid the hint or like to make up your own lies to replace facts, no Latin American country wants to sit at the same table with blood suckers and leaches. Maybe you should re-read the report more carefully.
#9 wow you mean that for 10$ I can exploit the same wells that use to cost 40$ to run? If oil is at the same price or higher wold this mean there is more or less profits to go around. You do the math but as far as I knew wells are the same and put out oil at the same rate until they dry out, I don't know what comic book you used to major in economics.
#10 Argentine he? If I had a cent for every english lie I would be a trillion dollars richer.
#11 nothing I hope, repsol should be fined not payed. Did BP get any money from USA why should repsol get anything, ones caused ecological terrorism and the other one caused economic terrorism, I thought the world was against terrorism.
#12 I think Argentina should expropriate any busyness and land owned by Germans or french in Argentina and not even worry about the outside mob of thugs. I nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina will put everyone back in their respective seats. Cowards can't stomach equal rights.
#13 the one that will cause France a lot of import taxes and export restrictions in Argentina.
#14 I heard that before and it was 4.5 pesosU$, any change?
17 Raven (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 05:23 pm Report abuse
@ 16 Pirat-Hunter

''#9 wow you mean that for 10$ I can exploit the same wells that use to cost 40$ to run?''

No, that means the share price has dropped to 1/4 of the price it was worth in January. This is a reflection of how well the company is doing financially and what it's future prospects look like. By the way, if a well cost $40 to run, we'd all be extracting oil!

'' Because until just a few weeks ago children in the streets of Buenos Aires where recycling cardboard and glass for a sandwich.''
The Kirchner regime has been in power for quite a long time now, so how is CFK so wonderful if children are scavenging on the streets in 2012 for the price of some food?

'' Did BP get any money from USA''
If you mean did the USA get money for the damage caused by BP, then yes they did. en.mercopress.com/2012/11/16/bp-pleads-guilty-to-gulf-of-mexico-spill-and-will-pay-a-record-4.5bn
18 ProRG_American (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
Nope, she can't go. Dr's orders.
19 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
9 wow you mean that for 10$ I can exploit the same wells that use to cost 40$ to run? If oil is at the same price or higher wold this mean there is more or less profits to go around. You do the math but as far as I knew wells are the same and put out oil at the same rate until they dry out, I don't know what comic book you used to major in economics.

Your ignornace is endless.....or is it stupidity. In fact, YPF is down 3.65% today alone. You are not to fault....product of argentine education. HAve you read YPF's 10q's? check out their cashflows.....not very impressive piss hinter
For $10 actual 9.51 as I type, you would risk owning a stock in a company that has no cash position, no funds to GET that oil out of the ground?
If you think that share price has to to with the cost of running an operation, you need to go back to utube and wikipedia to reread what share price is a reflection on......certainly not the cost of operations. What scholol of economics did you go to? Oh yes.....wikischool of business and economics.

What idiot thinks that share price is a reflection of running a business OMG!!!

Oh yes go to the SEC and review the 10Q's ..........so sad!!!

You're in Canada.....reschool yourself properly piss boi
20 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:52 pm Report abuse
“Besides Cristina Fernandez, Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez will also be absent because of health reasons and so will Uruguay’s Jose Mujica, whose medical team, at last moment strongly discouraged the long flying hours because of a possible thrombosis”

Seems all the good ones are sick, maybe they're just sick of Rajoy and his self destructive policies =) Though if I was any of them I might have been tempted to turn up and adress an indignado demonstration! Lokks like Morales and Correa are still going so there may still be hope =)

#5 Great analysis
21 Ayayay (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
@16 &@6 Trading cardboard for a sandwich part, with all that productive land?

If people are walking past children experiencing malnutrition , that doesn't say something good about the culture.

The U.S. tries everything it knows to get surplus food aid, grown on it's OWN land to these kids, but only a small fraction gets through worldwide because politicians get embarrassed, or it's resold, stolen, or used for votes.

As for partying-Latin politicians like Cicciolina, Berlusconi, Argentine leaders partying in Uruguay on tiny salaries-or the pricey toys of the Argentine president have a rep.

When Obama attended his historic inauguration, Michelle wore a pair of $15 gloves as her accent.

•Look at Singapore.
Noone took their gold. (Argentina never had gold). not a lot of natural resources.

But Singaporeans are: sober, highly educated mathematically, GREAT savers and... sadly, known for how little they let loose.

Their most poor, their bottom 10% make $1500 a month average, with their apts costing $18-$250.
22 Conqueror (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
@18 So she's a wimp. A coward. Own aircraft, personal attention. And who would care if she died?
@19 With any luck, Chavez will be dead soon. It's not as though he's an asset. Mujica? A long term waste of space. A thrombosis might have been the best way out. Morales and Correa? Charter members of the Slimy Necrophiliac Prats. Two dictators that should be shot. Perhaps we could drop the SAS in. One shot, one kill. Two shots. Two free countries?
23 Stevie (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 08:49 pm Report abuse
Poppy, conqueror and Isolda
Could you please pretend to be adults when posting on these threads? If only to fool us, please
24 surfer (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
Argentina WILL pay, and it's a long time coming, but payback day will arrive, oh how sweet that shall be.
25 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
Only a moron, idiot or an asshole would think the COnqueror and I are the same........which are you Little Stevie?
26 joe_blog (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
@25
I am joe_bloggs can't you read?
27 briton (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
notice once again how argie losers jump in the quick sand to defend the spannish losers,

still two illiagal opperaters are better than one,
spain will thank argentina for its support over argentinas support over ect ect.lol
28 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
“Spanish President Mariano Rajoy stated that he “would have liked” his Argentine counterpart, President Cristina Fernández to have attended the XXIIth Ibero-American summit, starting Friday in Cádiz”

Of course he would.......... Then they could both compare notes on how they are utter failures as leaders and how they have completely FAILED to regain “lost” land from the British.................Clowns
29 Ayayay (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
@The Sussie “me love you long time” persona was the only one I've seen harping on that issue. The differences are obvious to Americans & Brits.
30 brits gobblers (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
@ 29
gluggluglugggggg
31 surfer (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 10:07 pm Report abuse
This failed experiment that is the Govt. of Argentina is such a disaster, when will they have the good grace to step aside.
32 brits gobblers (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 10:09 pm Report abuse
@27
,,,,,,///// ? ,,,,, just junta donka,,,,lol
33 Ayayay (#) Nov 16th, 2012 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
Also @16 Dilma is at that table. Spain's healthy enterprises (not real estate) are the biggest believers in Brasil.
34 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 04:11 am Report abuse
@5 jkw troll

“It is a myth fostered by global capitalism and banking that a nation's people must be held hostage to the corruption of former political leaders. ”

You dolt, jkw !! Are you nuts???? !!! LOL !!

- it is a myth that a country's debts disappear when the current government administration is replaced.

The government ( the borrower) still continues on, with a different Talking Head...

The loans were secured on behalf of Argentina, not the politicians in charge.

No matter how incompetent or crooked (CFK) they are.
35 jkw (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 12:03 pm Report abuse
troy...the taker from a thief is a thief..... you do not appear to understand that one may not and should not profit by perfidy......Global predatory/parasitic capitlalism is destroying mutual reward capitlalism ...and you either advocate the latter because you do not agree with the former, or you do not wish to acknowledge the ethical and moral asymmetry of your argument...
36 Anbar (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
“Argetines around the world support CFK 100% over the nationalization of YPF ”

the last time one of you chaps made a claim like that 1 million people went out on the streets of Argentina to stick one up the CFK Junta... after which such claims are even more ludicrous than previously.

Reality seems to be in short supply amongst CFK supporters.

WHat makes the sort of NumptiTard speeches on here so utterly stupid though is that the targets, such as Spain, are amongst those CFKs Junta are trying to pander to to get support over the Falklands via their discontent over Gibraltar.

So whilst the CFK Junta are trying to make bed noises their supporters are righteous in their indignation and contempt for them.... which is rather typical of a certain subset of people that post here: they can never seem to get their stories straight between their multiple accounts.
37 mohamed yamin (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
stop talking about the argentines....
is just so boring to hear the brits
rattling. about the same ...for what?
38 briton (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
Stop talking about the honest brits ,...
is just so boring to hear the sad Argies ,
Rattling. about the same ...for what?

We agree.

.
39 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
35 jkw

“the taker from a thief is a thief”

No!!!

The taker from a thief, is the bloke getting his stuff back

Remember? “I would have done to me as I would do to another?”

Too late to start crying wolf now...................
40 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 17th, 2012 - 10:49 pm Report abuse
@35 jkw Campora Troll

LOL, don't make me laugh !

Your representational government (democracy) was/is Argentina.

Argentina borrowed the money - Argentina needs to pay it back. Simple.
41 Ayayay (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 02:01 am Report abuse
The Numpty Dance is the dance to do the Numpt.
42 Pirat-Hunter (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 06:26 pm Report abuse
#17, #19 maybe the facts were that the stock price was originally inflated as it usually is the case with stocks, But let me reword my argument for you to understand better. No one mentioned the fact that for 10$ we can buy a 40$ worth of property, I mention it because YPF didn't decrease production or sold off any wells, in fact for 10$ you can buy what use to cost 40$, amazing deals if you ask me. It wasn't me who stated that the value of YPF was a reflection on their finances, as a matter of fact it is the english community who keeps rubbing on our face that the price of YPF shares dropped, when in fact the reserves as well as the price of oil keep growing.
#24 the wish and claim of every prostitute is the same but some go home with a broken body part and no cash. Are you feeling the same? It might help if you cry a little or kiss some back end in mercopress.
#25 don't take it personal the english are all the same kind of retards.
#28 Spain didn't lose anything like Argentina we both know exactly where our land is a who the thieves are, just like Palestine knows their land and will sooner or later take it back for this reason we should support a nuclear defence program for Argentina and Palestine, it all matter of time, no kingdom lasted 1000 years.
#31 Argentine around the world love CFK if you don't like it move back to your country, nobody will miss you in Argentina we got lot of critics like you more then people willing to work and lead the country, CFK might be the only one who work for Argentina while lazy scum points fingers like you.
#36 I got my story straight we love and support CFK 100%, the people you mentioned are the retards who never read this link.
www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/
#37 the english like the sound of themselves talking even if nobody listens.
#38 honesty is an extinct word from the english dictionary not to mention the never seen honest english person.
#39 the english always cry world.
43 Burn1938 (#) Nov 19th, 2012 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
Seems to have been a boring meet . Paraguay missed nothing , and saved travel expenses .
44 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 01:00 am Report abuse
40 hrs travel back from Spain?

CFK would not get back in time for the General Strike Nov 20, tomorrow, and the pot-banging of course !

:-D
45 Ayayay (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 01:27 am Report abuse
@42 “not to mention the never seen honest English person”.
Haha, Greg Palast is English.

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