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UK says “no options should be ruled out” in defending Gibraltar territorial waters

The British Government said on Thursday that “no options should be ruled out” in defending the British sovereignty of Gibraltar’s territorial waters, reports the Gibraltar Chronicle.

Foreign Secretary Hague will lay a written statement to the House of Commons on the issue of Gibraltar waters on Monday

The position was outlined in a statement issued by The Convent following a meeting between the Governor, Sir Adrian Johns, and Britain’s Minister for Europe, David Lidington.

In another development, Foreign Secretary William Hague will lay a written statement to the House of Commons on the issue of Gibraltar waters next Monday.

The reactions follow the Spanish Government’s decision last week to upgrade its controversial EU-approved nature site in Gibraltar waters to the status of Special Area of Conservation, SAC.

In doing so, the government in Madrid also approved domestic legislation that seeks to regulate activities in Gibraltar waters.

Britain is adamant that the waters around Gibraltar are British and that Spain has no jurisdiction in them. The issue was at the top of the agenda of current Gibraltar affairs discussed during an in-depth meeting on Tuesday between Sir Adrian and Mr Lidington.

“The Governor said that Gibraltar welcomed Her Majesty’s Government’s robust response to Spain’s declaration of the SAC,” said The Convent in a statement.

“[Sir Adrian and Mr Lidington] agreed the importance of the Royal Navy’s presence and profile in British Gibraltar territorial waters in upholding British sovereignty and in support of the exercise of jurisdiction by the Royal Gibraltar Police and agreed that no options should be ruled out in terms of the UK’s response.”

The statement from The Convent did not expand on what options were under consideration but they will likely focus primarily on political, diplomatic and legal initiatives.

However Britain could also bolster its naval presence in Gibraltar waters, as was hinted at earlier this week in the House of Lords by Lord Astor of Hever, the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Defence.

“We keep the Royal Navy’s posture in Gibraltar under close review,” Lord Astor said in response to a parliamentary question.

 

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1 ChrisR (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
Drag errant fishing boats into the Port of Gibraltar and have them made subject to the Gibraltar Law.

Any 'force' attempted or real by the Spanish Police or Navy should be robustly countered by the Royal Navy, not Gibraltar Police, as it has clearly gone too far for local police actions.

0.50cal BMG fire on the waterline should cool the Spanish blood without actually spilling it.

The action of the Spanish Government clearly parallels that of Argentina over the Falklands and we should not make the mistake of responding to it too lightly.

One short, sharp, action would be all that is needed to see the Spanish off.
2 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
Spain biggest industry is Tourism. Spain receives more tourists from the UK than from any other country.
Solution = UK holiday makers stop taking holidays in Spain, because of their treatment of one of our overseas territories. If this happened Spain would collapse economically. Attitudes would soon change...

Someone should start a campaign.
3 Santa Fe (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
A bit of cold steel, the don't like it up them Mr Mainwaring, the do not like it
4 Spainexpat (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
The government here in Spain have lost touch with the general public. I have not met one person in my province that is remotely interested in Gibraltar and believes the government should be putting all it's effort into the sorting the economic mess - electing Rajoy was a mistake.
5 briton (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
So at long last the government has been forced to upgrade its response,
That’s great news for Gibraltar, and bad news for Spain, and even worse news for CFK ,

As we have said before,
You keep pushing, and then eventually you will have to back it up,
The very tough Spanish are rigid when dealing with little boats,
Perhaps we will see just how big these bully boys are when facing down a frigate or destroyer, and even a few apache gunships,

The pushing will soon be regretted by the Spanish, fools.

[A ship to far,, we think .lol.]
6 Pugol-H (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
We are undoubtedly moving toward an increase in the RN presence around Gib.

Ultimately the Spanish are going to have to back down, meanwhile they pay the diplomatic and ultimately economic price. The last thing they need right now is a boycott by British holidaymakers, in some parts of southern Spain it’s the only thing keeping them alive.

Ultimately the EU courts and institutions will back the rights of the people of Gibraltar, no question. This is a no win for Spain, except as a short term distraction from domestic problems at home.

Might be an idea to consider trying to solve some of the domestic issues, instead of just trying to distract Spaniards from them.

Just a thought.
7 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
3 Santa Fe

Exactly, now then, who was that short sighted, shandy drinking, girly, lefty, pathetic excuse for a Prime minister who cut the size of the Royal Navy?
8 Brit Bob (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
@6 Spot on.

Short term distraction from domestic problems.
9 Conqueror (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
Apache gunships can cut a fishing boat in half. And a Guardia Civil boat. They can also be “on-scene” in minutes. First step - warning. Second step -shots across the bows. Third step - start chewing the boat away. Fourth step - missile the trespassers.

Seems there's 47 million Spaniards. Is there a difference between spaniards and argies? Do they float or sink? No post-mortems for the sinkers.

Is there any reason to think that latinos aren't scum? Similarities? They lie. Continuously. They refuse to submit to international law. They steal. Or try to.

Who's been to Gibraltar? It's a lovely place, isn't it? Spanish weather but British laws, customs, traditions, character. Wouldn't Spain be better if it was British? Real British. Not EU PC British.

So let's do what we need to do. Protect Gibraltar. Return Spain to its previous attitude of terror-stricken. Remove state instruments used to pressure Gibraltar. No more paramilitary Guardia Civil thugs. No more Spanish armed forces. No more tyrannical border controls.

And then move on to argieland. They have no courage as we understand courage. Break them. Break them to submission. Why are there more than 10 million argies? Let them learn the lessons of their history. Exterminate. Is there any argie (as opposed to sane, intelligent argentine) who deserves more?

If you detect a canker, you cut it out. argieland is a canker. So is spain.

Stick with evolution. Destroy the useless. And who is more useless than argies and spaniards?
10 Betelgeuse (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
I'm sure Spain will be trembling in its metaphoric boots.

The critical issue here, which the article completely fails to mention, is that the British Government recently lost a crucial appeal before the European Court of Justice (ECJ) relating to Britain's claim to Gibraltar’s territorial waters.

Britain was seeking to overturn an earlier judgement dismissing its legal challenge to the European Commission’s approval of a Spanish EU nature site in the disputed waters. The latest court decision follows the Gibraltar Government’s defeat before the ECJ last August in a separate case on the same issue.

By ruling on two separate occasions against the UK and Gibraltar, the ECJ has in effect ensured that Spain continues to have a listed nature site in Gibraltar waters.

Spain has never recognised claims to British sovereignty over the waters of Gibraltar and is unlikely to do so in the face of empty British posturing now. Mr Hague should have another Bex and a good lie down, the so called 'glory days' of the British Empire are long gone I'm afraid.
11 briton (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 08:49 pm Report abuse
thats what argentina thought 30 years ago,
would spain like to prove that the british are past it,
on YOUR opinion mr betelgeuse,
we dont think so.
12 Pirate Love (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
Greece it is next year, spain clearly does not value its UK tourism to help its fooked economy or respect The Human rights of Gibraltans, adios manwell, Yassou Georgios
13 rynvh (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
The comments from certain individuals on this topic is astonishing!Spain and the United Kingdom are NATO allies.EU partners and have alot of trade between them. Comments of the Spanish are scared are really unbelievable, Spain has an army and navy and an airforce and ps we we can shot too.i reckon this will all go to the courts and the United Kingdom will lose in court because the ruling on the nature site has been passed in law by the European Union firstly and the Spain passed a law after that ruling , so in theory the United Kingdom should declare War on the European Union ?for having passed a ruling allowing Spain permission to have a site in it;s waters.ps the treaty of 1713 states that the fortress, town and port of Gibraltar are ceded.If the navy goes then the spanish navy will follow suit to defend itself.
14 Asdrúbal el Bello (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:55 pm Report abuse
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hSQ3VlCB1U

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xehPvA0SmW8

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCopxoPPhKU
15 Britworker (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:56 pm Report abuse
I think a boycott of Spain and the Canary Islands from British tourists would be pretty devastating to the Spanish economy. You will soon see a change in the Spanish attitude when those planes stop landing full of Euro's.
16 aussie sunshine (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
Spain does not like the British tourism. It is tired of drunk slobs from England coming over and making fools of themselves jumping from hotel balconies into swimming pools ( and missing their target) good riddence..bye bye. and I am afraid that if it gets ugly in Gibraltar it is going to generate hate towards anything British including all those residents now living in Spain....all because a few idiots in Gibraltar..Oh well that is life!! By the way tourism works both ways..there are many thousands Spanish students studying in Britain..like to know what the ESL schools in Britain have to say about it....
17 Anbar (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 12:28 am Report abuse
“”“”and I am afraid that if it gets ugly in Gibraltar it is going to generate hate towards anything British including all those residents now living in Spain....“”“”

that's about as likely as Doveroverdover actually being british... which aint very.

I've never met a Spaniard who gives a toss about Gibraltar other than a politician.... and Spanish businesses are FAR more interested in tourism money than The Rock.

We've already dropped Majorca in favour of Greece this year... others will as well I imagine.... mind you Greece could do with its Marbles back...
18 aussie sunshine (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 12:40 am Report abuse
*17 please please please go to Greece!! The Greeks just love The Brits!! hahaha.. don´t mention the Marbles!! and watch out for the Nazi party recently elected...I believe they are kicking the ass of any foreigner they see!!
19 Santa Fe (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 07:48 am Report abuse
Fake Aussie.... And we love the Greeks as well great people, and we love spending our dollar. my favourite is Fiscardo , pint of myths and a nice meal mmmmm

As recognised around the world the Spanish are playing the RG card, covering bad news in the economy by ramping up popularise campaigns. Jajajaja
20 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 09:11 am Report abuse
'Spanish workers in Gibraltar come to the EU to claim pension'
www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2012/12/07/espana/1354909472.html?cid=GNEW970103

'Gibraltar entering UEFA - it's a glorious moment but it's not about politics, says Gibraltar fotbollsbas Gareth Latin to AP. country that is the size of Landskrona in the population (nearly 30,000) and size to one-twentieth of Oland belong UK but has some autonomy and UEFA membership is opposed by Spain. Gibraltar celebrates its 300th anniversary next year. A majority of Europe's 53 countries must approve the choice of Gibraltar's participation in the European Championship group stage for the U17 and U19 at the UEFA meeting in May.'
www.svenskamagasinet.nu/shortnews.7418.html
21 Asdrúbal el Bello (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 09:18 am Report abuse
Spain loves his British guests. Certainly there are hooligans and thugs, but as in Spanish families. The vast majority are families and retirees looking to enjoy the climate and quality of Spanish life. Hundreds of thousands of them live here already. In fact, the Gibraltarians could continue living in a Spanish Gibraltar enjoy all their rights (seek the legal term 'Fuero'). But of course, it's more fun to live in the 50s, and to think that Spain is a third world country which to mock.
22 lsolde (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 09:59 am Report abuse
@10 Betelgeuse,
You forgot the cup of tea with the Bex, Mr Beetlegoose.
Didn't Vincent's APC have a better effect than Bex?
23 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 10:07 am Report abuse
@21 Asdrúbal el Bello

Gibraltarians are quite happy living in Gibraltar, enjoying the unique and beautiful Gibraltarian lifestyle.

Tell me why they would want to be part of Spain?
24 Asdrúbal el Bello (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 10:17 am Report abuse
Because Gibraltar is in Spain, meybe?
25 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 10:24 am Report abuse
@24 Asdrúbal el Bello

Not on any map I've seen!
You could use the same argument to say Spain is in Gibraltar.
26 ChrisR (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 10:47 am Report abuse
@25 Steve-32-uk

The Spanish WISH they were part of Gibraltar, or Englnd, or Wales, not too sure about Salmond Scotland though. ;o)
27 Britworker (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 12:10 pm Report abuse
The similarities between Argentina and Spain are frankly startling. Both led by incompetent leaders, looking for common causes to unite their people and take away their misery at the desperate situation they are in. 25% of the workforce in Spain is unemployed - serious diversionary tactics are required!
28 Conqueror (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 01:17 pm Report abuse
@10 The critical issue here is that a so-called ECJ judgement was handed down by a Spanish judge who should have disqualified itself. But when has Spain, like argieland, ever played by the rules unless it suits? How many times has Spain been challenged to take the matter of Gibraltar to the ICJ? Has it ever dared? No. But let's do it “the old way” if you like. First we sink the “navy”. Then we beat the shite out of the army. Done both of those before. Then the “air force”. Well, what have you got? 18 Dassault Mirage, 45 Typhoons and 86 Hornets. And yes, we know you've got 17 Harriers. And we know how to shoot them down as well. How are you going to get on against 207 Tornados and 140 Typhoons.
@13 Silly little boy. Go read your precious treaty again. Does it mention Spanish “territorial waters”? It doesn't. So Spain doesn't have any territorial waters either? Oh, goody. Watch out for what we can do with that. Since your education is so remiss, you might want to note that “territorial waters” didn't exist in 1713. A state “owned” those waters over which it could fire a cannonball. No international law on “territorial waters” until 1982. When Britain got territorial waters around Gibraltar at the same time as other coastal states. Pity about that, isn't it? You wasted all that time typing out your garbage.
@14 Youtube links are not a comment. And you should note that all comments must be in ENGLISH! Are your little videos in English?
@16 And Britain doesn't like Australian tourism. Aussies should get back to humping their sheep and trying to catch roos.
@21 Spain IS a third world country. I had to drive through it to get to Gibraltar. Can you imagine a hotel in any CIVILISED country refusing to allow someone to use its toilet? There's one in La Linea.
@24 Not for more than 300 years.
@27 No, they are not startling. When you trot off overseas to conquer things, do you not send your best? So let us, instead, think how lucky Spain is to have survived. For now!
29 stick up your junta (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 01:47 pm Report abuse
24 Asdrúbal el Bello
Because Gibraltar is in Spain, meybe?

A bit like Melilla being in Morocco?
30 rynvh (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
i went to london to do some business i had my son of only 5 years of age and i got refused to use a toilet in a cafe bar .sorry what was said aboutr spain being a third world country we are alot more advanced in many things as like family values at least we eat in the dining room instead of eating big macs in our bedrooms
31 Teaboy2 (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
@30 Well in most cafe bars that provide customer toilets you do not need to ask, you just go. The fact you had to ask, suggests there were no customer toilets but only staff toilets in private staff area of the building. It is perfectly legal to refuse a customer the use of private staff toilets, especially if it means they get access to secure areas or the kitchen where customers are not permitted to be due to security, hygiene or health and safety reasons, which happen to be very strict legal requirements here in the UK. So chances are you were refused due to legal reasons regarding hygiene, as you simply can not just walk through a cafes kitchen without wearing appropriate clothing and head wear and without following health and safety hygiene requirements! if you think am wrong, then provide details of the cafe bar, its name, its location etc!

Conquers experience is different, he referred to a hotel, which undoubtedly has customer toilets!
32 DanyBerger (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
@Conqueror

When Angola-SaxSons try to look tough and goes wrong.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=H33nDuC1W5A
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJQL8DH3miE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fn5hzTkyks
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYz3EfFAaH8

Be careful because Butterbean may be looking for you
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjep2b224Go

Ha ha

Idiot you first need to have a proper army to launch threats the Spanish have carries and jets on it to kick your @ss and what are you gonna do?
33 ChrisR (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
32 Dunni-Burger

Back to being a fake military expert I see.

It takes more than equipment to make a fighting force as AG well knows after the 1982 fiasco (when the UK kicked your arses off the Falklands: STILL no Malvinas you prat). Spanish military have no experience of modern conflicts other than internal strife.

Spain will come to its senses soon enough and a little skirmish in Gib waters will see to that.

The bunch running Spain have even less sense than your gangsters in the Casa Rosada and that’s an edifying spectacle to contemplate!
34 aussie sunshine (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
*19 Give the Greeks what is theirs by right!! and admit that you STOLE
THE MARBLES like so many other things you stole from all over the
world. God knows what you lot must be knocking off in Afghanistan right now??!!
35 lsolde (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
@34 argentine sunshine,
Perhaps the marbles should be returned to Greece.
l have no problem with that.
However they were bought & paid for, not looted.
And if they had not been bought(rescued)then they would have been crushed like many other statues, columns & freizes, then used for roadbase.
Forget those small facts, did we?
*********************************************************************
lf Argentina had troops in Afghanistan, l'm SURE that they would prevent any foreign soldiers from looting anything, wouldn't they?
36 aussie sunshine (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
*35 BOUGHT!!?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

i NEEDED A LAUGH!!
37 stick up your junta (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
@ 36
Whats so funny?

Let’s review the facts. Lord Elgin paid the enormous sum of £39,000 to acquire the marbles, and was careful to obtain documents from the Turkish Government approving their removal from Greece, which had then been part of the Ottoman Empire for 350 years. Since Parliament legally purchased the marbles from Lord Elgin in 1816, the British Museum’s title to them is unassailable. The Greeks know this perfectly well – otherwise, instead of pulling this PR stunt, they would be suing Britain in the European courts.

www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/richard-dorment/5699534/The-Elgin-Marbles-will-never-return-to-Athens-the-British-Museum-is-their-rightful-home.html
38 Rory (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
It is hardly surprising that, given the staggering number of problems facing Spain, Madrid is lashing out at an easy target with little chance of damaging consequences. Britain would never do nothing to add to Spanish woes. Waving the nationalist banner is important for Spain's increasingly fragile internal unity and HMG should remain sensitive to this while not backing down on any principles of international law. Nevertheless, London might wish to remind Madrid that the UK is a trusted friend and, with the onging dispute over Argentina's patently illegal seizure of Repsol, Sr Rajoy's plate-spinning act to keep the IMF-EU-ECB Troika on hold and -- last but not least -- the outstanding 80,000,000,000 Euros owed by Spain to Britain, friendship could turn to frostiness -- a headache Spain could do without at the moment.
39 Conqueror (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 10:41 pm Report abuse
@32 Silly little child. Can you count? You have 166. We have 347. And the last time the sorry Spanish lot were in combat? Didn't you lot lose 100 of your toys facing the RAF and RN? And we only sent 28!!! By the way “carries” are sort of susceptible to torpedos. Fired by British submarines. Remember what ONE British submarine did to the pride of your “fleet”? Or will the Spanish do what your lot did? Run for home and never dare stir outside again. Except that wouldn't save you now. Our subs have missiles as well!!
@36 The “Marbles” were removed under a permit issued by the government in power. No way you can get round that. It's a matter of record.
@38 Spain is currently ruled by a bunch of no-hopers. Lots of countries have thought “Britain won't do anything.” Argieland comes to mind. So does Libya. Spain is walking on the edge.
40 Santa Fe (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 09:56 am Report abuse
36... Fake Aussie wrong again, not a good days trolling jajajajaja
Bought Jajajajajajaja what's that they were...????

Send an island class patrol boat to do some ramming
41 lsolde (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 11:54 am Report abuse
What do you say now, argentine sunshine?
You have had time to check the facts(which you should have done before you mouthed off).
#37 stick up your junta & l are perfectly correct.
They were paid for!, cobber-me-lad(pretend Aussie).
lf the Greeks want them & the museum want to sell, then the Greeks will have to come up with the Drachma, Euroes, Roubles, Shekels or whatever they use now in Hellas.
Awaiting your admission that you were wrong.
42 aussie sunshine (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 06:01 pm
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43 Santa Fe (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
42... I have emailed maximo ...troll down , troll down

Your rambling again...and seem to be repeating things, poor old Fake aussie
44 aussie sunshine (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
*42 poor santa CLAUS: Trying to pretend that the good Lord Elgin took the marbles legally...HAHAHAHAHAHAIts like if some dude goes into my house ilegally and sells everything at auction and then the police comes along and tells me that I do not have any right because he has a RECEIPT..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH LOVE YOU GUYS Love that British humour HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHH
45 Santa Fe (#) Dec 10th, 2012 - 07:50 am Report abuse
44..fake aussie

your in a big hole, you have been proved wrong again, be a big boy and except defeat, like the RG's in 82
46 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 10th, 2012 - 08:35 am Report abuse
Gosh! No sooner does “Sussie” go missing than “Argie Sunshine” plagues us with his presence.

He's quickly proving to be Sussie's 'equal', though LOL
47 lsolde (#) Dec 10th, 2012 - 10:50 am Report abuse
@44 argentine/spanish sunshine,
Are you man enough to admit that you are wrong?
(you try to come across as a big bronzed Anzac, by somehow, l doubt that).
Look up the Elgin Marbles on Google, then get back to us all.
We will graciously accept your apology & move on.
Of course, l only speak for myself. l imagine that you'll get some flak from other posters on here. But you can handle it, eh.......................cobber?
48 aussie sunshine (#) Dec 10th, 2012 - 01:07 pm Report abuse
what a bunch of loosers!! hahahahah
49 gustbury (#) Dec 10th, 2012 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
You Brit,haven't water in Gibraltar!
50 reality check (#) Dec 10th, 2012 - 03:26 pm Report abuse
Just like they have no waters around the falklands, hey what!

If you can get a couple of your ARA frigatas to work, why not try sailing them
into those non existant waters, your lads might want to stop off on the non existant British islands for a run ashore.

Silly me they can't. can they?

Oops silly me, they can't, can they, wonder why?

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