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Clarin/Cristina Fernandez legal battle rages on with a new appeal
The Argentine government submitted on Tuesday morning an extraordinary recourse before the Federal Civil and Commercial Court against the extension of the Clarín Group’s injunction to comply with the Media Law, granted by the Civil and Commercial Court N° 1. Read full article
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Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0find new comment names from Argentina
altough we know you are not aware of this country.
What she needs to do is appoint a new court with a seniority that outranks the Supreme Court, and stack it with her yes-men.
Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know, it can be called “Maximo's Supremest Court”
They could call it the Ultra Super Dooper Maximum Supreme Court - but if that is too much of a mouthfull they could shorten it to “Kangaroo”
Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK is probably right that Clarin holds a monopoly position so it seems rather daft to break every rule in the book in her efforts to break it up.
What is particularly funny is that her tactic for all legal cases against Argentina is to kick it down the road with delay after delay and yet she has a temper tantrum when others use exactly the same tactic.
I actually don't understand this. With the regards to the extension ruling and the indictment of the Judges, was it that they did not have the legal power to hear this case or was it that they didn't have the power make that ruling? If not why (as surely this would be an appeal against the original decision and kind of like Judical review prcoess)? If they didn't have the power to hear this, how did it get through the door in the first place?
Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wasn't this an appeal against the constitutionality of the original judgement? Yes the Supreme Court has ruled on the media law but if they have not specifically ruled on the questions raised in this appeal then how can the judges be indicted. Won't this also go through to the Supreme Court on appeal if the ruling from the Appeal Court does not go the Governments way. I know we all say this but it is almost impossible to overestimate the importance of leaving the judiciary alone and allow due process to continue. It is evident that there is corruption in the Argentinean judicial system but the government needs to deal with it in a different way if there is. Sitting in my office in Whitehall I get a really uneasy feeling about this.
I just read in MDZ that the law allows the government access to 100% of the population, but only 35% for private companies....so they gave the right to monopoly to themselves??
Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5
Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Any chance you could forward the story?
@4 With her $530million tucked away in a personal wealth fund she's basically the pot calling the kettle black. However, for her to ensure that the country is ready for Maximo's fourth reich she has to get the judicial branch aligned with her daily witch hunts, because they're the only people left who can deny her claims of having created the worlds greatest democracy (in a DPRK democracy style).
Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is such as lame horse waiting for the tractor and shotgun.
An Argentine story that has made the UK press:
Dec 12th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.sky.com/story/1024287/argentine-sex-slave-trial-clears-13-accused
More threats to impeach judges - it seems to be the latest craze. Do they not have juries in Argentina?
Idlehands you must be mistaken.
Dec 12th, 2012 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are -constantly- reminded by a certain poster here how this kind of thing only happens in our perverted sexually depraved anglo saxion culture.
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Dec 12th, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dec 12th, 2012 - 12:54 pm
To answer your question: No. Judgement is made by Tribunal, three judges, in the case heard in Tucuman, the plaintiff's witnesses were 5 young girls who had been kidnapped and sold into prostitution by the defendants, who were perfectly recognized by the witnesses, but all were cleared by the tribunal because the judges were bought by the defenants' boss who also owns the governor of Tucuman and his cabinet!!!!!
Back on thread: The whole idea that the Clarín group constitues a “monopoly” is ridiculous. To be a monopoly there would have to be no other newspaper but Clarín, no other TV chanels but those owned by Clarín Group, but in fact there are innumerable newspapers and TV chanels. So there is NOT a monopoly, not even a government monopoly... YET. But that is what this government wants, it NEEDS to only have ONE voice speaking to the people... CFK's voice.
I should explain that I am not a Clarín reader, I only read the “Río Negro” newspaper, but I DO watch a Clarín Group TV station, TN because it gives good news coverage and has extremely good, even handed op-ed programmes.
5 Mendoza Canadian
Dec 12th, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 026,522 law comunicaion Services is an excellent audiovisual law by eliminating private monopolies who supported coups and terrorism communications with its neoliberal policies (Clarín, La Nación, Group One, etc Newfoundland Andes.) These economic groups are aligned with global economic power factors aligned to the Washington consensus (BBC, CNN, ABC, NBC) and state terrorism (USA and England)
In the province of Mendoza MDZ Terranova group is linked to economic groups who support coups Institutional (Cobos, Moneta,) Work with the Los Andes which was bought by Clarín and favors institutional soft coups and Honduras and Paraguay.
The media law was worked for over 10 years and expresses the will of the people, voted on and approved by the National Congress against newspaper monopolies that supported coups in Argentina.
For more information I recommend the following link:
http://www.argentina.ar/temas/medios/51-ley-de-servicios-de-comunicaci% EF% BF% BDN-audiovisual
@8 I was wondering about that myself. Why were the juries not involved in deliberating upon a decision based upon the Judge's advice? Where are the 12 good men and true? If there wasn't any evidence, how did the prosecution take this to trial? Was this a civil action?
Dec 12th, 2012 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gosh.
Would it not be fair to say,
Dec 12th, 2012 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That CFK wants a state /CFK controlled press , controlled judges / police / military,
Would this in fairness be called a dictatorship?
And would it also be fair to say that she wishes to become empress/ruler,
Or am I just imagining things.
@13 I think what you described is called a 'Latin democracy' (i.e. a dictatorship)
Dec 12th, 2012 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In Economics, a monopoly exists when a specific individual or enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it.”
Dec 12th, 2012 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't have to control 100% to be considered a monopoly.
@11 - Are the media organisations being investigated for supporting coups and terrorism ?
Dec 12th, 2012 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let us not forget that Nestor granted the licences to Clarin when all was sweet and cosy between them. This is CFKC on a personal vendetta.
Dec 12th, 2012 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 I understand the crux of the matter is that the government skipped over a lower court to get a ruling from the Supreme Court. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court needed a ruling from a lower court to make a ruling. At least, that was the get-out excuse they found to not make a ruling in favour of the government.
Once again CFKC ignores procedure and runs to the highest authority instead of the correct process. Impatient and ignorant.
It's like a lesson in the opposite of democracy.
Dec 12th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 011 Raul (#)
Dec 12th, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dec 12th, 2012 - 01:29 pm
Raúl, your post is so biased it is not worth even reading!!!!!
Just how many monopolies are you talking about? How many can there be at one and the same time?
To say that Cobos supports institutional coups is certainly THE stupidest claim I have ever heard, the man is famed for being a fervent democrat!!!!!
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Dec 12th, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if the AG lawyers will be able to get the wording to align with the law this time round?
Dec 12th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You just couldn't make this up, unless you were in Cuba, Iran, Gaza, N. Korea or the old Russia.
19 simon68
Dec 12th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Saying that Cobos supports institutional shock is undoubtedly the stupidest statement I have heard, the man is famous for being an ardent Democrat!
You are very innocent. It is so stupid. She eventually learned that Julio Cobos work on a plan B, in the context of the conflict in the 125 field, along with rural society, chaired by Hugo Biolcati, the Church and the media monopolies Clarin and La Nacion and supported from abroad by CNN and the BBC, creating an atmosphere of chaos in public opinion to the coup in Honduras and Paraguay and I wanted to do in Ecuador with Correa and Chavez in Venezuela.
Not the first time that the media do. These means (Clarin and La Nacion) made the economic blow to Raul Alfonsin in 1989, supported the rise of Menem and Duhalde with its neoliberal policies and silenced popular conflict in 2001.
It is one of the causes of the downfall of Cobos in national public opinion and in the radicalism of his position with silent undemocratic economic and media monopolies.
The journalist Mariano Grondona in Time Key program witnessed it.
If you do not believe me see for yourself at the following link:
http://www.perfil.com/contenidos/2009/04/29/noticia_0040.html
@22 I've been meaning to ask this for a while. If Menem was so horrible, why does he enjoy employment under Cristina. He generated a large portion of the debt that caused the default. Shouldn't he be placed in the stocks and pelted with rotten vegetables, or drawn and quartered for his stupidity?
Dec 12th, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You sound like a troll. Your sources sound overly biased like they were contrived by a hateful maniacal hack journalist working out of mom's basement for government scraps. Just sayin'. News is supposed to sound neutral as possible. Extreme emotional bias is highly suspect.
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Dec 12th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dec 12th, 2012 - 03:24 pm
If you believe that conspiracy theory crap that you write in your second paragraph, there is no hope for you. Where the hell do the BBC and CNN come into a minor internal political fight in Argentina??????? And what did you want to do in Ecuador with Correa and Chávez in Venezuela?????
Raúl Alfonsin was ousted by the peronists with the support of the labor unions, La Nación and Clarín had very little to do with it and Julito Cobos has not had a downfall, he is still a hero to one hell of a lot of Argentines!!!!!
@23, @24 As there was no response to my question @16 one can only assume Raul is a delusional paranoid who thinks that a charge of 'being a monopoly', however ill-founded, carries more weight than charges of terrorism and constitutional over throw!
Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fight those bastards Cris!! Don't give up now. A small step at a time, you are certainly making progress. Those little steps will get bigger as time goes by.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0If they wanted strong, independent communication/media for their citizens, why aren't they supporting Taringa! Why jail-time and hundreds of thousands in fines for an Argentine social network??
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