Saturday, December 22nd 2012 - 08:08 UTC

Argentina strongly protests UK’s naming Queen Elizabeth land in Antarctica

Argentina strongly protested on Friday Britain's decision to name a vast swath of Antarctica as Queen Elizabeth Land. The Foreign ministry handed a formal protest note to British Ambassador John Freeman in Buenos Aires.

The naming is contrary to the spirit of peace and cooperation of the Antarctic Treaty argues Argentina

In the note the Argentine government recalls the country’s categorical rejection to all British territorial pretension in Antarctica and reaffirms its rights over what it describes the Argentine Antarctic Sector.

The note rejects London's claim since 1908 to a chunk of Antarctic known as the British Antarctic Territory, and it criticizes what Argentina calls Britain's “imperialistic ambitions going back to ancient practices” and contrary to the spirit of peace and cooperation of the Antarctic Treaty.

Argentina has long claimed as its own the land named after the British monarch this week. That area is about a third of the British Antarctic Territory.

The protest note reiterates Argentina’s commitment to the values and principles of the Antarctic Treaty System based on peace, science, international cooperation and the protection of the environment, and underlined that Article IV of the treaty safeguards the positions of the parties in affairs referring to sovereignty claims in Antarctica.
 

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1 Shed-time (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:19 am Report abuse
blah blah blah blah.. no one cares what argentina thinks ... blah blah blah ...stop revising your history to suit argentine greed ... blah blah
2 MrFlagpole (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:46 am Report abuse
Admittedly we did only do this to annoy Argentina. But haven't you got better things to worry about? Your county is literally falling apart? And you are concerned about some ice?

The British Antarctic Survey is conducting research down the that provides insight in to the origins of life for the benefit of all of mankind. What would you be doing with it? Looting? Or nothing? What someone else has Argentina wants, it's like a four year old. It's only because it can see us playing with it, if we put it down Argentina would lose interest.

God Save The Queen
3 Boovis (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:35 am Report abuse
“It's imperialistic behaviour by the UK to claim this land and, anyway, we want it” oh, the irony!
4 TipsyThink (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:37 am Report abuse
If the Argentines resort to another invasion we expect fierce resistance from her Majesty's empire penguins. !
5 Orbit (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:37 am Report abuse
It's just a name we'll use on our maps. Argentina can put whatever name it wants on their maps. How insecure are these people?
6 RICO (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:43 am Report abuse
If Argentina hates imperialism so much it should return to the borders it enjoyed when it first claimed independence from Spain and abandon its imperial possessions.
7 Martin Woodhead (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:58 am Report abuse
Her Majesty enjoys the taste of argentinas tears of impotent rage
8 War Monkey (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:02 am Report abuse
** yawn**

Morning all.
9 ElaineB (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:07 am Report abuse
Argentina are very good at protesting. It will change nothing.
10 Clyde15 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:17 am Report abuse
I had a sudden revelation. I thought I was suffering from tinnitus but I now know I am picking up the incessant whining from the Argentine government !
11 RedBaron (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:19 am Report abuse
I guess the naming of the Antarctic territory is meant to coincide with or celebrate the Diamond Jubilee and, in that sense, it is a nice gesture. Honestly, who cares about the name on a map - there will be no border controls, no signposts and no currency or infrastructure to manage (well, maybe a few stamps will be printed with British Antarctic Territory/ QE Land).
However, I can see it from the other point of view - why did it take over a century to make this re-naming.....
Ultimately, the sanctity of the Antarctic as an (almost) untouched wilderness is far too important to leave to nation states and should be administered by a multi-national scientific based organisation.
12 lsolde (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:31 am Report abuse
Aren't they touchy little munchkins.
lt was bound to annoy them & it did!
Like poking a snake with a stick.
Anyway its all in fun(fun for us, at least).
They are like little children.
13 JustinKuntz (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:32 am Report abuse
Oh the irony, Argentina has a special committee for renaming geographic features on the Falklands and, although it promised it would stop, still persists in using offensive toponymy associated with its 1982 invasion. This would the invasion that in true revisionist style it claims no one supported but they celebrate the invasion with a national holiday.
14 Anglotino (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:36 am Report abuse
Argentina categorical rejects all British territorial pretensions in Antarctica but reaffirms their own territorial pretensions.

Why is it imperialistic for Britain to claim territory but not Argentina?

Argentina can name this area whatever they want. However I'm sure they take umbrage more so because more countries will recognise Queen Elizabeth Land than whatever they name.

Partly due to the dominance of English, partly due to the Commonwealth Realms and Commonwealth of Nations but mostly because nearly every country respects and admires the Queen.
15 Britishbulldog (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:45 am Report abuse
Tough luck you Argentine Muppet's just because you live near the Antarctic it does not mean you frigging own it or have any say on the area you pricks on legs now run along and whine at something else, hows your economy by the way doing well I hope (NOT) I hear your having a little trouble at the moment with a little bit of looting going on, I hear you little twat of a President sent in the Army to sort it all out, I hear they rubbed their little mitts in anticipation of joining in the looting after having a little old fashioned murdering spree. they thoroughly enjoyed themselves and are going to have a jolly good Christmas with the proceeds while the rest of you will be sitting down on Christmas day looking at crumbs on the table. Merry Christmas Argentine Muppet's.
16 Boovis (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:55 am Report abuse
Is Argentina going to complain about Queen Maude land as well? Those pesky Norwegian imperialists! GRRR!
17 Britworker (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:00 am Report abuse
Dear Argentina, thankyou for your protest, now get stuffed!
God save the Queen.
18 Anbar (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:38 am Report abuse
well that is the trouble with “protesting” at everything: everybody just learns to ignore you.
19 Mendoza Canadian (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:41 am Report abuse
So Uruguay was once a province of Argentina...when are they going to reclaim that??
20 Martin Woodhead (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:51 am Report abuse
Its not really big or clever to bully a weaker infinitly more stupid country especailly when its down again.
But Its Argentina they have been behaving badly for ages so getting a well deserved slap was long overdue.

spanish speaking italians who think there british living in paris er no.
21 ElaineB (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:58 am Report abuse
@19 The porteños think it is. They talk about it as if it is just another Argentine province.
22 Bongo (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
@2 Mr Flagpole

“The British Antarctic Survey is conducting research down the that provides insight in to the origins of life for the benefit of all of mankind. ”

What a load of pompous claptrap.

I certainly agree with your following statements though.
23 malen (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:31 pm Report abuse
strongly protest???? for giving a letter to an ambassador..........very low protest I would say. We are ignoring you very much, according to the big circus made with your Queen (really decorative, royals dont speeck it seems), first time going to a gov meeting, then the circus of the gift.........It seems to me you are wanting to make much noise. And we are very diplomat. Hope, this time, they have choosen a beautiful envelope to give your ambassador the protest. The last one, horrible brown, you didnt like it.
24 DanyBerger (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:46 pm Report abuse
Don't worry Affenland will be renamed to “Great Cristina K Land” (RAOT)

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25 Pirate Love (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:53 pm Report abuse
Argentina have nothing to protest, simple as that!
at the end of the day if argentina wants all this land and surrounding islands that is british then they are going to have to annex them, otherwise keep crying,
but as modern history has shown annexing does not go down well with the international community.
26 Clyde15 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
#24
Please come and claim it - you will be given an appropriate welcome.
27 Falkland Islands (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
Argentina duuuh How many place names in Antarctica have you changed, a huge amount compared to the UK. A lot of those names were there before Argentina even had dreams about the continent. God Save the Queen!
28 andy65 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM

Dam do these creatures never stop bleating????
29 Falkland Islands (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
you never here about the British navigation aids that are destroyed by the argies down there, they set fire to some and knock others down. You don't here us complaining, but i'm sure we have a right to. God save the Queen.
30 Clyde15 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 01:56 pm Report abuse
So basically what Argentina is saying is that the UK -one of the world's leading nations on polar exploration -has no right to be on the continent or have any part of it.
Considering that Antarctica is a SEPARATE continent from South America, from where does Argentina's claims arise ?
31 Conqueror (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 02:28 pm Report abuse
@5 At what point in time did they become “people”?
@23 You have no idea what “diplomacy” means. Any more than you understand “honesty”, “integrity”, “respect” or “truth”.
@24 If you're going to rename anything, what's wrong with Whining Bitch Land? For hundreds of years, people will automatically think of CFK. You can then carry on and rename something closer to home. For Buenos Aires, I recommend Ground Zero. We'll be glad to do the rest. If you could arrange to be there, you could be immortalised. As a shadow on a wall.

For all our argie bloggers, misfits and repulsive, irrelevant slugs: See how much WE care what you think! Have you sent lots of copies of your letter of “protest”. It's always good to have reserves of paper suitable for use in the bog. We're thinking of renaming other places as well. Buenos Aires, for example, will become Ground Zero. Cordoba might become Aiming Point 1. Mar Del Plata could become Aiming Point 2. Rio Gallegos is being considered for El Lago Gallegos.
32 Gordo1 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
Argentina calls the British Territory of the Falkland Islands “las Malvinas” and refer to its principal township, Port Stanley, as Puerto Argentino and as far as I am aware Britain has never protested.

Now, Argentina protests us naming British Antartica “Queen Elizabeth Land” - meanwhile there is civil unrest in their country with mobs rioting and stealing from supermarkets.

Strange priorities!
33 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
“Admittedly we did only do this to annoy Argentina...” (MrFlagpole #2)
“why did it take over a century to make this re-naming...” (RedBaron #11)
“Like poking a snake with a stick.” (Isolde #12)
“they have choosen a beautiful envelope to give your ambassador the protest.” (malen #23)

Well, I think we all agree;
British politicians counter-attacked the Argentinians with a weapon of delightful subtlty.

Nobody was invaded, attacked or killed, but there is no doubt that the rapier-thrust of good, old fashioned diplomacy 'pierced the target and drew blood'.

We used to do it by symbolically raising a flag (always think of Eddie Izzard: “Yes, but do you have a flag?” ... as the Spaniards, Welsh and Italians inght have said to the Mapuche).

These days of electronic media and communications, it seems all we need to 'twist the tail' is an anodyne declaration of re-naming to celebrate a centenary.

Well done, Rt. Hon. Foreign Secretary Hague!
34 Simon68 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
The answer to the UK naming this sector of BAT “Queen Elizabeth Land” should have been that CFK named the same sector of AAT “Nestor Carlos Kirchner Land”, this would have been a subtle answer to the British action. But no, our “expert” in foreign relations, Héctor Timerman, has to shout his stupidities from the house tops!!!!!!!

When will our truly experienced foreign service officers stand up to these idiots and stop them making fools of themselves!!!!!
35 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 04:26 pm Report abuse
Good way to describe it:

”This is just pure sycophantic fawning, so loved by the English and the royal family.

What next ?

Planet Windsor ( formerly known as the earth )

Pathetic self indulgence and small mindedness, and embarrassing on the world stage”

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYeFcSq7Mxg
36 Santa Fe (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
Your so jealous ... I Predict a riot I predict a riot .....
37 Martin Woodhead (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
There probably going to attack the ara out of hock when it gets back to argentina having mistaken it for a british priate ship.
38 LightThink (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
Do not watch agent YouTube videos vainly

Watch these kind of videos

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39 CJvR (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
LOL! As expected a hysteric over reaction from KFC. One would think the old bird would have calmed down a bit now that she got her boat back.
Perhaps she should go and loot something, that might relax her a bit and I hear it is quite popular in Argentina these days.
40 Brit Bob (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
@35

Embarrassing on the World stage like telling lies about growth and inflation and getting thrown out of the IMF and G20?
41 CJvR (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
@32 “Now, Argentina protests us naming British Antartica “Queen Elizabeth Land” - meanwhile there is civil unrest in their country with mobs rioting and stealing from supermarkets.”

Silly person! There are riots because of this intolerable insult to the Argentinian people!
:-)
42 Britishbulldog (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 06:17 pm Report abuse
Come get your free Christmas goody's at a supermarket next to you, all you have to do is smash down the door and help yourselves, beware of the Argentine army they might get there before you and help themselves to everything, they also have orders to share everything they pilfer with Christine seeing as she cant afford due to high inflation any of the Christmas goody's on offer and the owners of the Argentine supermarkets have asked me to ask all the looters if the last one out of the supermarkets would please turn of the lights before the Argentine electricity company's turn them of for good due to non payments. Merry Christmas you Muppet's
43 Stevie (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
Childish behaviour from both sides, solution being Argentina naming a piece of Antarctis a name of their choosing and both of them continuing throwing sand at eachother.
44 LightThink (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 06:39 pm Report abuse
“” casus belli “” !!
45 andy65 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
@Stevie We are not really into sand throwing mate it would be in short supply in Antartica but don't you think you would be better admitting it would be better for all if this near dictator Hitler Kirchner went and joined her dead husband ASAP Nazi Nestor then South America and the world would be a better place for it.
46 briton (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 07:38 pm Report abuse
[Merry talking, and a rotten new year, CFK]

Question=why is Britain so great?
Reply= Action speaks louder than words **

Question=why is CFK such a failure “
Reply, = because talking, exercises the jaw bone.
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BRITAIN GLOWS IN ANTARCTICA AS BUENOS AIRES FUMES
www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=27310
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Royal Navy’s global Christmas presence thanks to one in seven of its men and women
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HMS Protector - Christmas greetings from the bottom of the Earth
[and not an argie in sight….
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Argentina accuses UK of 'imperialism'
www.bfbs.com/news/falkland-islands/argentina-accuses-uk-imperialism-62385.html
[all together now, ] ha ha ha ..

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47 andy65 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
@briton Thanks for your glorious post and in reply I guess all Argentina can say is an old rust bucket sailing ship limping back across the atlantic after being inpounded for none payment of debts,not quite the same happy message
Happy Chrismas to all Miserable Argentines who believe that

ARGENTINA IS ALWAYS THE VICTIM.
48 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
Argentina should build a based in Antartica and charge a fee for visas as USA and UK do in our lands and season everywhere.
49 andy65 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
@Pirat-Hunter Argentina can hardly keep things going within it's own borders never mind spending money elsewhere and needs to pays it's debts first

GOD BLESS QUEEN ELIZABETH LAND
50 briton (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
47,,thank you
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48, charge a fee for visas as USA and UK

1, is VISAS no a country
2, is it then free to Great Britain,
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when you say, [our lands and seasons everywhere]
do you mean that argentina now has lands all over the world, and controls all of the seasons ??
51 Stevie (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:27 pm Report abuse
Of course it's sand throwing.
Antarctica is international territory, and the only reason Britain makes this international news, is to mock the only ones who cares, namely the Argentines.
Argentina shouldn't care really, as this means nothing for the world atlases.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world will continue calling the place for it's real name. Antarctica.
52 Santa Fe (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:27 pm Report abuse
48... They have built one already, with military armed personnel contravening the treaty. And as a desperate act to claim the lands flew pregnant women in to give birth on the territory. sad
53 andy65 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
@Santa Fe Maximo Kirchner is often to be found there chilling out
54 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
Argentina should build a permanent base in Antartica Argentina and demand visas for anyone traveling to Antartica Argentina we tryed to give the world a chance but got pushed around instead, it is time we do as the english people do and close the borders, Set on fire pirate ships and auction illegal fishing and drilling ships as UK does to other nations property.
#50 I am talking about Antartica Argentina and malvinas Argentina, nothing to do with anyone else but Argentine's and criminals in their land.
55 andy65 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
@Pirat-Hunter perhaps you should complain to your former colonial master THE SPANISH perhaps they might show some pity on you but there again there in a sad and peniless situation just like you-funny there always bleating again about Gibralta yet when we send one of our war ships the Spanish do like the Argentines did and run for port.
Must be a Spanish thing don't you think????
56 Britworker (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
@54
Are you a comedian in Argentina, build a base in Antartica, what with? How you going to get there? Your ships are knackered, do you have an ice breaker, you can barely afford to pay your armed forces as it is. Civil unrest, looting, sky high inflation, getting kicked out of the IMF and G20 and you think a good use of Argentinas meager defence budget should be spent on a base in Antartica.
No wonder your country is in such a mess with priorities like yours.
57 briton (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
It certainly sounds different,
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Is it not true that Argentina has a piece of this international territory?
And has a military base and people there,

Is this not being a hypercrit?
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They want, what they cannot have,
Sooner or later Antarctica will be fought over,

What then? Principles of the free world,

Sooner or later.?
58 ElaineB (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
@54 You are Canadian.
59 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
#55 man to man many Spanish can run circles around the english, we all know how much viagra the english need to function some what normal. Ask your mom or your system about Latinos, Son!
#56 fishing licenses and oil drilling licenses can bring a lot of income to Argentina as the brits do in Islas malvinas Argentina. No. You might be hable to keep Islas malvinas Argentina and we can populate Antartica since we are closer.
#57 for that reason we Argentines support a nuclear defense programs 100% made in Argentina, thats all, we like a fair fight because we aren't cowards like some people who should remain nameless for now.
#54 wrong and irrelevant, we Argentines love and support CFK 100% she is the best president Argentina had in over 40 years, now go shine shoes.
60 txiki (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:19 pm Report abuse
Of course, you should name it after your glorious leader - Tierra de la Reina Batata. La Nación is such a good read these days.
61 Musky (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:52 pm Report abuse
QEL is recognised by more claimants than argentinad. Think yourself lucky it is not called Prince Harry Land!
62 Stevie (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
Musky
You are talking gibberish, QEL will only appear on British atlases, the rest of the world will keep on calling the international territory by its proper name, Antarctica.
That said, I will also distance myself from the gibberish posted by the other side of the argument as well.
As I said, it's nothing but mutual sand throwing. Childish arguments defending childish stances.
63 Alexei (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:30 pm Report abuse
I'm sure the Amaicha, Calchaquí, Chocoana, Quilmes and Colla peoples were about as thrilled at the name 'Argentina' as the Falkland Islanders are today the (corrupted french) made up name 'Malvinas'. You might find the genocide and dispossession of the Falkland Islanders more problematic than the slaughter of those indigenous peoples. The Falkland Islanders have backup, don't forget it.
64 Clyde15 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:35 pm Report abuse
#59
Your record has stuck in its groove again.
It's not worth trying to give a considered reply as you are obviously unhinged.
65 Anglotino (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:53 pm Report abuse
@62 Stevie

“QEL will only appear on British atlases, the rest of the world will keep on calling the international territory by its proper name, Antarctica.”

First off, no one has renamed Antarctica. The British has just named a small territory not the entire continent.

But you are wrong. I foresee the all Commonwealth countries will recognise this named area. There's another 52 countries. The EU will have no issue with this, so there's another 26 countries. Norway will too. I could go on, but there's 79 countries other than the UK.
66 Stevie (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:59 pm Report abuse
Anglotino
Why would they even care?
67 Alexei (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 12:04 am Report abuse
@65 Ah, but you're forgetting Cuba, Venezuela, China, North Korea ... and other countries ending in 'a' :D
68 Anglotino (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 12:43 am Report abuse
Stevie

You made a claim, I refuted that claim.

As to why countries would care. Well that's a question now. I'd say most wouldn't have an issue with this and hence they will have no issue incorporating the name.

The Queen is one of the oldest and longest serving head of state in the world. She is greatly admired and recognised for this. There is only one head of state currently serving longer and Thailand doesn't have any claims to Antarctica.

Her quiet and calm demeanour is a jarring opposite to the Argentine President and probably only adds to her appeal.
69 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 12:48 am Report abuse
So, the world would change their atlases because of your queen being old, I like your logic.

As long as the name isn't recognized by the UN, no atlases but the British one will incorporate that name, that much I can assure you.
70 Anglotino (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 07:58 am Report abuse
The UN? Where do you people get your facts from?

But no the world won't just update their atlases because HM is old, but because she is respected. Also it helps that most countries don't stand to gain or lose regarding the matter so it is not controversial to all but a few countries..... or maybe just Argentina.

As for the UN! What the hell does the UN have to do with this? The UN doesn't control, manage or regulate Antarctica. The Antarctic Treaty System does. This isn't a UN body. And the UN definitely doesn't name or regulate naming of geographical features in Antarctica.

“no atlases but the British one will incorporate that name”. Why do you keep repeating his when you know you are wrong? Australia will incorporate it. New Zealand. Canada. You do realise HM is Queen of 16 countries don't you? Add in Norway and France who both have named parts of Antarctica and you have almost 10% of the UN recognising it already.

You're so wrong it is almost comical. You don't argue with facts but with emotions.
71 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 08:35 am Report abuse
Astje issue seems to to of major importance to you, lets leave it at that.
72 scarfo (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 11:24 am Report abuse
The first formal use of the name “Antarctica” as a continental name is attributed to the Scottish cartographer John George Bartholomew during the 1890's.

We just decided it was time to re-name a segment of it! :)
73 Zethee (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 11:27 am Report abuse
”“no atlases but the British one will incorporate that name”

The nations of New Zealand, Australia, France, Norway and the UK, all of whom support each-others claims on Antarctica will support this change. These nations territory make up all of the claimed territory in Antarctica.

The only two nations who do not agree on this territory are both Argentina and Chile, Whom can't agree on each-others claim either.
74 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 12:53 pm Report abuse
Zethee
I'll believe you when I see a Norweigan, French or Australian map with that name incorporated. Until then, I'll stick to the international community's position on the matter.
Same as if Argentina would name a piece of Antarctica “Tierra de Maradona”, which would be just as childish.
75 Pugol-H (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 02:04 pm Report abuse
“Categorical rejection to all British territorial pretension in Antarctica”.

“reaffirms its rights over what it describes the Argentine Antarctic Sector”.

And according to Stink, Argentina has already given this territory an Argentinian name.

So alright for Argentina to claim and name but not the British, when they do it it’s called:

“Imperialistic ambitions going back to ancient practices” and contrary to the spirit of peace and cooperation of the Antarctic Treaty.

And even a reference to article IV, which invalidates most of Argentina’s present claim to the territory, truly remarkable comment.

Pot kettle, sauce goose. Clearly intended for internal consumption, looks like they are being tough and is at the intellectual level of a nine year old.

Once again, simply not in the real world.

@54 Pirat-Hunter
Well with the return of the Libertad at least you will have a ship capable of getting you to Antarctica, you’ll have to walk the rest of the way though.

Perhaps its time for Britain to review the size of its military deployment down there, with a view to increasing it, in light of this change in the balance of forces in the region.
76 scarfo (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 02:22 pm Report abuse
74

I'll stick to the international community's position on the matter.

care to point me to the international communtitys position on this matter?
77 yankeeboy (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 02:34 pm Report abuse
I have not seen one USA article on this matter. It seems the only peope that care are the Rgs and nobody cares what they think.
78 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 02:38 pm Report abuse
Antarctica is international territory, no claims are recognized or disputed. It's free for all to research and no military activity is allowed that isn't of peaceful nature.
Name it what you want, nobody except the Argentines cares. And no, nobody will update any maps because of the British queen being old, as someone hinted.
79 yankeeboy (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
Stevie, If the UK requests it the UN, WB, etc etc will update their maps to show the renaming of this area. It is kind of complicated to do it but it can be done and the UK has enough influence and friends/allies to get the maps updated if they want. Nobody will care if Argentina doesn't like it.
80 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
yankeeboy
As you stated yourself on post 77, nobody cares.
Hypothetically, many things can happen. Argentina could name a chunk of Antarctica for “Evita Peron Land”. Still, noone will care, except for the Brits.
You guys seem to need eachother.
81 yankeeboy (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
I said NOBODY CARES WHAT ARGENTINA thinks. The UK is well respected in Int'l Orgs and hold a lot of sway. Argentina doesn't and most of the diplomatic corps thinks the RG reps are nutty and avoid them like the plague.
82 andy65 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 02:53 pm Report abuse
@Stevie Sounds like you care alot Stevie baby,you see we come here to piss Argies of because they have a DICTATOR in power who can not keep her mouth shut and tries to bully a few thousand people-SAD AINT IT.
83 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 02:54 pm Report abuse
yankeeboy
No, you said, and I quote:
“It seems the only peope that care are the Rgs”
84 scarfo (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
78

The Antarctic Treaty took effect on 1961-06-23, having been ratified by all the claimant nations. The nations that signed up for it recognize the claims.

And no, nobody will update any maps because of the British queen being old, as someone hinted.

That is ofcourse pure speculation on youre part. Theres a good chance many commonwealth countries will adopt the new name.
85 yankeeboy (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
It seems the only peolpe that care are the Rgs...so...the rest of the world will let the UK name that area anything it wants....again, NOBODY CARES WHAT ARGENTINA THINKS. NOBODY.
86 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 03:03 pm Report abuse
andy
I think you should check up on the definition of a dictator, like her or not, CFK was democratically elected by her people.
Only thing that is sad really, is the fact that you believe that you are pissing Argentine people of. I might be wrong, but the only Argentines I've seen on these threads are some nationalists that seem to live everywhere but in Argentina. And then we have that Think-character. I don't know if he lives in Argentina, but it doesn't seem like you are succeding in pissing him off, really.

scarfo
And that, my friend, is pure speculation from your side as well.
My speculative guess is that we wont hear other nations taking a stance on the matter than Argentina, the UK and maybe some members of the commonwealth. The rest of the world will be far to busy with far more important matter, like counting their warts.
87 yankeeboy (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
Stevie, Most Dictators in history were “democratically” elected even some of the most infamous
88 Conqueror (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 03:09 pm Report abuse
@41 ERROR!!! Only 3% of the occupants of “argieland” are “people”.
@44 Bet you don't have the guts. Besides, I have now officially renamed “Buenos Aires” as Ground Zero. Geddit?
@48 Thought argieland had loads of “bases”. Thing is that Faggotland isn't allowed to obstruct entry. So any argie faggot trying to demand a visa or payment for one would be a bandit. And could be shot! I volunteer.
@54 Oh goody, alex. Safe (you think) in the (British) Commonwealth country of Canada, you'd like to start a war. One in which you won't take part because you're a coward. Big mouth, big (well-used) ass, but nothing else. Not a problem. Want to watch “your” few remaining aircraft shot out of the sky, or destroyed on the ground? Want to watch “your” few remaining boats bombed and/or torpedoed? Want to watch “your” troops and civilian infrastructure bombed and missiled. Here's some fun thoughts. Squadrons of Typhoons and Tornados (about 260) armed with bombs and air to ground missiles. Interspersed with around 225 cruise missiles per day. Followed by around 64 multi warhead nuclear missiles. There is no “Antarctica Argentina” or “Malvinas Argentina”. We can prove it. By wiping Faggotland off the face of the planet. YOU are just a desperate, queer slob. But send the word back to the cesspit. The annihilation of Faggotland is well overdue. We can pick up and dispose of dregs like YOU anytime.
@59 Man-to-man ANY Brit can kill a minimum of 20 Spaniards or argies. Proved it many times. How are you going to negotiate the nuclear, glass-walled craters? A nuclear defence program? Explain to the argies that actually live in argieland, how you have encouraged (from safe Canada) their annihilation. Mirror. Stick your tongue out. See how brown it is. And disgustingly smelly.
@62 STFU. You don't have a brain. Just an ass.
@69 I like this. First, we explode any “country” that doesn't comply. Then “Steer east away from QE Land”. “Aground? Are you an argie? Are you sinking? Tough.”
89 scarfo (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
86

And no, nobody will update any map

My speculative guess is that we wont hear other nations taking a stance on the matter than Argentina, the UK and maybe some members of the commonwealth.

stevie havent you just dissagreed with what i said, then agreed?
90 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
conqueror
What's this outburst all about? Try to control yourself, man!
91 andy65 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 03:16 pm Report abuse
@Stevie (# Seems you def are in love with Nazi Kirchner you certainly spend a lot time softly supporting her,perhaps her dominating style of politics of MY WAY OR NO WAY appeals to you.
92 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 03:22 pm Report abuse
andy
So either I agree with your baseless and constant bashing of Argentina, or I agree with CFK and all of her politics?
The world isn't black or white, you know?
I agree with some of CFK's politics, as I disagree with some other, as I've stated before.
My God, is this site for extremists only?
93 andy65 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
@Stevie When Kirchner visited UN general assembly she paid a visit to Havard and did a question and answer session (there have been on about 5 in all her presidency) with Argentine students please watch the video where she mocks and humilates her own people while on American soil and you say she's not a dictator ?? take a look this woman needs putting out of her misery and pleae tell us how would you feel if your leader behaved like this

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev2rmfHSZ0w
94 scarfo (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
This site is for everyone extremists on both sides!

now about my last post care to comment?
95 andy65 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 03:35 pm Report abuse
@Stevie (#You most certainly do not have to agree with me one bit but none of my RANTS are baseless I react to how this Argentine ragime behaves to a small peaceful hardworking community she is nothing better than a nationalistic tyrant fighting a losing cause while she bleeds her country dry,ofcourse though you know thats not true don't you.
96 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
scarfo
I never disagreed with you on anything, I said that nobody will update any maps and the only ones to have a stance on the matter are Arg, UK and maybe some members of the commonwealth. That's my speculation.

Yours is what you stated, and that's still your speculation.

Where did I disagree?

andy
Is that your definition of a dictator? A leader that, according to you, mocks and humiliates her own people?
Again, you should check up on the definition of a dictator.
And that she should need to be “put out of her misery” is plain ridiculous, not at all better than anything you are criticizing. In fact, much worse, you seem to think you are some king of lawyer, jury and judge, all in one.
As for your final question, I agree she is very arrogant in her behaviour against people she disagrees with, no doubt about that.
97 yankeeboy (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
Argentinians are pretty much all the same. When they are faced with not getting their way they bang the table, get really mad, start swearing or belittling you. They are like spoiled teenagers.
I would never do business with one again.
Unfortunately most of the world is seeing what I did and coming up with the same solution.
98 andy65 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 03:46 pm Report abuse
@Stevie Mate your entitled to your opinions but at least get real Argentina involved in more disputes than any other country via various organisations,constantly producing incorect financial figures to major organisations, styfling freedom of speach via a free press,trying to blockade and strangle the livelyhood of a small population the list goes on,would you like to go live there perhaps?? and yes I look on that vile woman as a dictator remember it's HER WAY OR NO WAY
99 scarfo (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 03:53 pm Report abuse
96

69

no atlases but the British one will incorporate that name, that much I can assure you.

78

And no, nobody will update any maps because of the British queen being old, as someone hinted.

89

My speculative guess is that we wont hear other nations taking a stance on the matter than Argentina, the UK and maybe some members of the commonwealth.

by taking a stance do you mean changing there atlasses? becouse by taking a stance thats the only thing i think you can mean, or could you please explain what you mean by taking a stance?
100 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
scarfo
Well, by taking a stance I meant having an opinion on the matter. Caring, if you will. I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear.
Hopefully we can disagree on another subject at some point, as I respect the lack of abuse in your posts, but I really see no point in discussing a matter that will make little impact other than here, and looking up in the thread, I'm amazed I've used so much energy on a matter that I started out saying I didn't care about.
101 yankeeboy (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
UK should petition Chile to rename Copahue to Thatcher Mountain.
102 Brasileiro (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
Wow! Is very hot here in my land. The summer strong! 40º Celsius! Wow!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2QHjyphH6M
103 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
Why would anyone name Antartica Argentina british whore? It's like naming people after a corporation like fakland holding, psssssst only a britard could ever come up with this stupid ideas. Then they wonder why people treats them like retards.
104 ProRG_American (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:44 pm Report abuse
La Nacion and C5N have confirmed that ARA Espora has sailed from South Africa and is headed towards the Brazilian coast where it will join ARA Libertad to escort it into Mar Del Plata Naval base on January 9, 2013.
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR!
105 Brasileiro (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
In summer like this year, better stay in house and see vídeos in YT....beautiful video....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq3KWpddkcs&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&feature=mh_lolz
106 Clyde15 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
As the biggest retard on the web we value your comments.
Where is this mythical antartica argentina .
Now go and play in your bath with your plastic ducks like a good little imbecile and leave the forum for the grown-ups.
107 andy65 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:54 pm Report abuse
@Pirat-Hunter But the biggest whores in South America are 1 Crissy botox Kirchner who got rid of her dam ugly husband Nazi Nestor and is now rumourd to favour very young dark haired greacy Spanish boys and No.2 as to be the x flight attendent pensioner Alicia the rat Castro who resembles a drag queen and as been getting it on with that wacko Daddy Chavez soon to be Deady Chavez
108 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:54 pm Report abuse
Argentina should build a permanent base in Antartica Argentina before the english claim it as their own, complaining to UN will be Islas Malvinas all over again, UN will stall untill the brits populate Antartica Argentina, we Argentines demand a nuclear defense program for Argentina to protect our land and people from illegal occupation and from the theft of Argentina's natural resources.
109 Brasileiro (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 05:01 pm Report abuse
More integration and free trade in Mercosul, this is the solution. Viva la Argentina!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB80Z9DKmA8
110 Gordo1 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 05:02 pm Report abuse
@1108 Pirat-Hunter Good afternoon from England. Just two quick questions!

What is the address of the care institution where you are confined? Are your carers aware that you have access to a computer which enables you to make these fatuous remarks on a December Sunday a few days before Christmas?

I think you you should go away and take your medication then have a siesta in a darkened room.
111 Clyde15 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 05:04 pm Report abuse
#104
You are actually cheering the fact that a broken down ship is at last making it back to Argentina ? This is a victory ?
ARA Libertad needs an escort to lead it into Mar del Plata..why? Is it in danger of sinking ?
I will be magnanimous and give you your moment in the sun, you need a bit of cheering up with the state Argentina is in.
112 Brasileiro (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 05:19 pm
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113 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 05:20 pm Report abuse
#110 Lol have you tryed becoming a comedian, you tell good jokes,I really much doubt british can think by themselves, but people who live in denial couldn't really Be right about nothing, you should take your own advise, It could be the only thing you get right today.
#111 The only victory here is that CFK delivered what she promised to all Argentines with out the help of CIA or any terrorist armed in UK or USA. That's all there is to it, you can all cry us a river but the facts is that CFK ovaries are huge.
114 andy65 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
@Pirat-Hunter And remind us are the looting still looting tonight trying to get food to feed there hungry stomachs and will the botox queen Crissy Hitler Kirchner be going back to old Argentine ways anytime soon dropping people from c130 aircraft into The South Atlantic???
115 Brasileiro (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 05:35 pm Report abuse
United States of South America
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRNm38B3JiY&list=WL17CDE780DBFE04C4&feature=mh_lolz
116 andy65 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
What your video did not show

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn1BrOobG9whttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn1BrOobG9w

Always better to show both sides

Merry Christmas
117 Brasileiro (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
Many years of social destruction. Kirchner destruction.
Merry Christmas to you too...thanks
118 yankeeboy (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
Andy, I''ve not been to a city in South America that doesn't have some sort slum.
It is incredible how you can have a gorgeous area abutting something so horrific, dangerous and unsanitary. Most of those slums are not connected to the sewage system!
Also the Police are forbidden ( or are too scared) to go in there, it is run by a mafia.
Crissy said you can see the wealth she and Nestor has created because the slums have 4 stories now instead of just 2 when they took over.

Quite a delusional definition of prosperity!!
119 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 06:01 pm Report abuse
#114 the looters will end up marching to the UK and US embassy as soon as they figure out who put them up to it, give it time the news have to inform them first, since the tv's they stole can't be eaten, they might as well watch the news and get informed to act with an educated aim. We hope the military pushes british illegal aliens from malvinas Argentina from planes next not Argentine's, stick around you might get to see it soon.
120 Brasileiro (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 06:03 pm Report abuse
Yes. Our past is the proof against us. “Mas nem tudo está perdido, vivemos um momento de ouro. Onde a cidadania pode fortalecer as instituições democráticas e resgatar valores de educação, saúde e segurança que por tantos e tantos anos foram ignorados. Não queremos ser ricos, queremos que nossas populações pobres, principalmente afro-descendentes, tenham alternativas sociais fora das drogas. Tenham a chance de evoluir socialmente, seja através de um curso superior, seja através de cursos profissionalizantes que lhes dêem trabalho e dignidade. É isso que perseguimos, é isso que nosso governo tem feito. Para mim isso é o bastante”. I writed in portuguese..thanks for this opportunity.
121 scarfo (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
120

I reported youre post in English...thanks for this oppertunity.
122 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
Good comments Brasileiro.

The mass migration from (eg) the rural North East to (eg) the urban parts of SP State is a world wide problem, but at the moment few places in the world have such a BIG problem.

The favela buildings that millions of newly urban Brasilians have thrown up in the cities of Brasil will have to be dismantled.
Eventually the time of high-rise urban living will come to the poor of the favelas.
History elsewhere tells us that this will be cheap building. It will rapidly revert to high-rise slums with the same dangers as the favelas.
The cleared lands - if it happens in time - can have urban infrastructures for more extensive living for the new aspirant 'middle class'.
This takes much more land, and takes the people many miles away from their place of work. Higher speed mass worker-transportation will be necessary within and into the large cities ... and wages that cover the fare to and from work.

This needs special technocrat-politicians, people who can DO THINGS without the sort of corruption we see with the defunct Salvador Metro.

More people like Dilma, less people like Wagner.
123 Clyde15 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
#119
I see you are now moderating your English.
Hope has now superseded demand and you forgot the bit about nuclear weapons -what a disappointment for your admirers.
124 andy65 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
@Pirat-Hunter The looters have one enemy and that is The Botox Queen SS Hitler Cristina and her Obese son Maximo. These are the people as well as the now deceased Nazi Nestor who have raped and piliaged Argentina thats why they are rioting and looting they have had enough having to pay £2 for a toilet roll just to wipe there Ass,the end is near for Cristina and to think she would like to change your constitution to gain a 3rd term so to piliage even more of Argentine wealth.
Thank god we live in a REAL Democecy with respect, freedom of speach and expression un like the land you call Argentina.
Tonight there is peace and prosperity on The Falkland Islands can you same about mainland Argentina???? because in the paat 30 years each and everyone of the people you have elected as President have been corupt

GOD BLESS QUEEN ELIZABETH LAND
It as been an amazing year for The United Kingdom an amazing olympics wonderful celebrations of our Queens diamond jubilee compared to Argentina where ships are inpounded in forighn countrys or broken, more arguments and disputes within various orgaisations than ANY OTHER country in the world.lies to IMF on inflation and GDP figures yey Argentina still believes

ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
125 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
Andy
Do Britain a favour and keep your comments to yourselves. Every time you post something, CFK thanks you.
126 andy65 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
@Stevie If I tell you to shut your mouth and mind your own business I think you will understand OK. Its about time you came from under that smelly dress (usually black) of Crissys or is that how you get your frills.
127 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
How very innovative of you, you really got me there...
128 andy65 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
As I said mind your own business keep your mouth shut and keep to your own opinions
129 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
Else what andy? You'll come up with another of your scary insults?
130 andy65 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
No need to mate your obviously a loser supporting a parasite like Kirchner a BULLY, say it all mate now please don't reply OK
131 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
Sure, but only because you said please.
132 andy65 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
Good, now consider yourself told in a public forum and P... O..
133 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
Ouch, you got me again, I just can't keep up with you
134 Pete Bog (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 10:17 pm Report abuse
@119
“We hope the military pushes british illegal aliens from malvinas Argentina from planes next not Argentine's, stick around you might get to see it soon.”

If there's any British illegal aliens in Argentina, why don't you deport them?
135 andy65 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
Many Argentines living in London describe themself as Spanish often out of shame and embarrasment
136 brucey-babe (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 12:02 am Report abuse
Queen Elizabeth Land is now in Wikipedia !
137 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 02:11 am Report abuse
EEErrrrrmmmmm

I know it's off topic and and not in line with the mutial hate that goes on in this forum but I would just like to extend my best wishes to all those in the Falkland Islands.

Yes. I think that with a BIG year coming up next year, I would just like to say “Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year” to everyone in the Falklands. All the best for the New Year and I hope that the New Year brings Peace, long life and good fortune with it....

And To all my friends on this forum as well. I will say “All Hail and well met!!!” May you and your families have a great Christmas and a very Happy New Year. May all your hangovers be small ones!!!

And lastly, to the Argentine posters on this forum. Friends and friendly enemies alike, have a good Christmas. Look after yourselves and your families, stay safe and have a Happy New Year. I hope that things get better for Agentina in the coming year. I hope things get better for ALL Argentinian's everywhere.

Love and Peace from Nottingham

U.K

P.S:- Has anyone tried “Hot Vimto”???? They were selling down at the Christmas market. If you haven't, DON'T!!! It tastes like warm mouth wash.
138 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 04:25 am Report abuse
Argentina should build a permanent base in Antarctica Argentina and stop giving the world a say in our country.
139 Anglotino (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 07:45 am Report abuse
Oh God why do some people like Pirat-Hunter have to continual advertise their intellectual deficiency?

“Argentina should build a permanent base in Antarctica Argentina and stop giving the world a say in our country.”

Totally missing the fact that Argentina has 2 permanent bases (research stations) on the Antarctic mainland. And 4 permanent bases on Antarctic islands.
140 Stevie (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 09:23 am Report abuse
Well Anglotino, it's very simple. The man lives in a time where
homophoby and race superiority was seen as the norm. And back in 1920-some, I don't think Argentina had any bases in Antarctica.
141 andy65 (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 10:40 am Report abuse
@Stevie Why are you not defending Pirat-Hunter he's claims to be Argentine seems a shame for you to go against the grane
142 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 11:40 am Report abuse
A merry Christmas and a great 2013 to all my friends and acquaintances who post on Mercopress, especially all who respond to my postings with thought and good argument ... you know who you are.

A MERRY CHRISTMAS

May our postings in the new year bring pleasure and fun, even when we violently disagree.
May our language be tempered.
May our lack of skills in each other's languages be forgiven.
May we all be thankful that we can say what we may without fear of imprisonment and torture.
143 Anglotino (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
@140 Stevie

Sorry I didn't talk about his homophobia or racism in my posts here, just his intellectual deficiencies.

“And back in 1920-some, I don't think Argentina had any bases in Antarctica.”

Base Antártica Orcadas was founded on Laurie Island on 22/2/1904.

Does no one do any research on these forums? Because you just put yourself in the same category.
144 reality check (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 03:02 pm Report abuse
I thought the staement from the Fo said that British Antarctixa would be known on “British Maps” as Queen Elizabeth Land and the rest of the world, could refer to it as they like.

So what's the problem.. Argentine maps do not correspond with anyone elses anyway!
145 British_Kirchnerist (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
It should be called Queen Cristina land =)

#93 I'd have thought a dictator wouldn't engage in debate with their own people at all! And no honest politician, whether in power or opposition, would just accept the arguments of a hostile audience without question or argumentation, especially when they were as stupid as the ones made by the spoilt brats at Harvard...
146 andy65 (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
@British_Kirchnerist Thanks for shooting yourself in the foot take a look at this video I think you will get my drift why she's described as a dictator hopefully you speak Spanish or understand it but if not there is English commentary,If this was my leader I would be ashamed she made HER OWN people look fools in another country,you could not make it up but as the video maker says SHE IS OUT OF HER MIND here you go take a look

SS HILTER KRISTINS AT HER BEST
HER POLICY = MY WAY OR NO WAY

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev2rmfHSZ0w
147 Stevie (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
Anglotino
I got to admit, I didn't google when Argentina acquired a chunk of Antarctica, no. What category is that, the one of people not googling random information?
I'm not Argentine, after all,
148 Brasileiro (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 10:58 pm Report abuse
Merry Christmas for all friends of the Mercopress. Specialy to GeoffWard2, Briton and the managers of the blog for the (paciência) and (compreensão) with me. Merry Christmas, brothers!!
149 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 11:07 pm Report abuse
@145 BK

“they were as stupid as the ones made by the spoilt brats at Harvard...”

Typical CFK, and BK - anybody that questions or criticises CFK is dismissed as 'spoiled', 'privileged', 'enemies of the poor', or 'enemies of Argentina', etc.
150 Anglotino (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 11:46 pm Report abuse
@147 Stevie

This is the second time you have replied to me on this article and misrepresented what I have said. The first time you alluded to me speaking of Pirat-Hunter's homophobia and racism when I was talking about his intellectual deficiencies. Now you refer to “when Argentina acquired a chunk of Antarctica”.

But we haven't been talking about territorial claims. We've been talking about Argentina's research stations.

So yes I include you in the same category as Pirat-Hunter in doing no research. You either misread or misrepresent what is written and voice an opinion without facts. It is hardly “random Googling” when it's about the article in question.

“I'm not Argentine, after all”. So what! I don't care what nationality you are. Lack of articulation, inability to read or research and fluid beliefs don't know national boundaries.

So I'll help you out:
First Argentinean base in Antarctic region-1904
First Argentinean base on Antarctic mainland-1942
Territorial claim by Argentina-1951

So first Antarctic research station. Second station on the mainland (after Chile) and last territorial claimant (after UK, NZ, France, Norway, Australia and Chile).
151 briton (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 12:29 am Report abuse
marry xmas to all,

and a happy new year .
152 Stevie (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 09:10 am Report abuse
Angotino
And you are a very apt googler.
Next time I'm in need of a random piece of useless information,I'll let you know.
And I thought the article was about Argentina complaining about some British naming.
153 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 09:56 am Report abuse
@152 stevie

Your style is much like that of “Marcos Alejandro”.

I would even suggest that both personas are written by the same Troll operator.
154 Anglotino (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 12:01 pm Report abuse
Stevie

Google! LOL. Much prefer DuckDuckGo. While you might think I have quoted “random... useless information” that is mere deflection to show that your posts usually lack any real information.

I'm not an “apt googler”, I'm a thorough researcher. Being intelligent helps too.

“I thought the article was about Argentina complaining about some British naming”. Wow great powers of deduction. It was indeed.

And why does Britain think it can name part of Antarctica?
And why did Argentina protest so much?
And who will recognise this new name?

I've argued and discussed with facts and reasoning. You just spout platitudes. You have time and time again shown that you don't know anything about Antarctica but are confident to make predictions and comment anyway.

If I were you, next time I'd think before speaking.
155 Stevie (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 12:55 pm Report abuse
Anglotino
And why does Britain think it can name part of Antarctica? Noone cares but you and 2 Argentines
And why did Argentina protest so much? Noone cares but you
And who will recognise this new name? You

By the way, I'm typing, not speaking.
156 Pugol-H (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 01:00 pm Report abuse
@154 Anglotino
In 1904 Argentina took over an abandoned British base, on territory claimed by the British in 1819. By your own list of dates Argentina was about 100 years too late.

The Brits were there claiming territory, long before Argentina finished conquering its way down S. America to get to be our neighbours in that part of the world.

Claims by Argentina they have some inherent rights there, and we are invaders are frankly hilarious to the British.

Britain thinks it can name pats of Antarctica because it regards it as British territory, the same reason Argentina thinks it can name parts of Antarctica which it regards as its territory.

Argentina protests because they are trying to intimidate the British, pure and simple bluff and bluster, they don’t have a case and they know it.

No doubt some parts of the world will have their own names for parts of the Antarctic, and will recognise neither the British or Argentinian names.

But in general I think many more countries will recognise the British names rather than any Argentinian ones. Time will tell.
157 Musky (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
Argentina looks for any opportunity to complain, to raise is gutter level profile and for the opportunity to grandstand amongst its neighbours.
158 andy65 (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 04:07 pm Report abuse
God save the Queen

www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7YnOpOhu3c
159 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
God Save The Queen

Head of State

Head of the Commonwealth

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160 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 07:20 pm Report abuse
Bottom line, any touchstone of ownership that is applied to the Falklands for ownership of those islands, would render the Antarctic Peninsula Argentine. The UK knows it, Argentina knows it, everyone knows it. It is ironic that it is the British posters here who are just “empty bluster” (in a role inversion vis-a-vis the Falklands threads)... No court will ever hand over that territory to the UK based on “first sighting or claiming”. If such a ruling were to be upheld, then the UK itself would immediately cease to exist the moment the ancient Stonehenge inhabitants placed a similar suit.

Thus the entity claiming Antarctica based on first sighting (which by the way was likely effectuated by the Portuguese or Dutch), would itself be subject to the ruling and not be able to claim anything, since they themselves would be dissolved as a nation when applying such an adjudication.

That aside, secondly, there is the issue that courts put far more weight on things like active presence, uninterrupted presence, permanent habitation, birthrates, total population etc. Under all those, Argentina wins by a league.

Third, as I mentioned in another thread, if (when) the UK breaks up, its “frozen” claim cannot be inherited by any descendant entity, because the Treaty states that no claim is mortmain, and no new claims can be made once the treaty take effect... that was in 1959. This was to avoid obvious litigious disaster if a country broke up and they tried to fight over the claim, or make separate claims themselves.

Fourth, even if the UK actually went to war over this territory, one can be guaranteed that no one will follow them on any attempt to kick out Argentina, because that would require a violation of all UN rights of sovereingty, self-determination, and peaceful resolution of disputes. I'd be far more likely that other countries would rush to Argentina's defense.

Fifth, the British people would rise up in arms if their kids were sent to fight for ice.

EOS.

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161 Clyde15 (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
Other countries rush to Argentina's defense? An interesting hypothesis - name them !
162 Anglotino (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 10:05 pm Report abuse
@160 NTF
Long winded and barely understandable drivel obviously don't make you right.

6 nations got their arses into gear before Argentina made her claim, and not even Argentina is disputing that. By your reckoning Argentina can claim Laurie Island. Congratulations! Also Orcadas Base was originally Scottish and called Ormond House. Seems you guys never arrive first anywhere!

So last claim... back of the line for you.

Also Antarctica was terra nullius, like the Falkland Islands but unlike Britain or modern day Argentina. So Stonehenge was quite a facile example.

Nay outright dumb.

And what court would weigh up birth rates, active presence, permanent habitation, total population and uninterrupted presence? I never thought you would admit that the Falkland Islands are British but you just did. Off to the ICJ now?

Congratulations. This quote will come back to haunt you.

You just can't get around the fact that Argentina didn't claim any territory until 1942. 2 years after Chile and 34 after Britain. Just can't get around that at all.

You also are conveniently ignoring Article IV of the treaty which states: “No acts or activities taking place while the present treaty is in force shall constitute a basis for asserting, supporting or denying a claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica or create any rights of sovereignty in Antarctica.”

So nothing Argentina has done since 23 June 1961 has any legal standing in this dispute.

Oops!

And yes we all know you keep making a false claim about the UK losing territorial claim rights if Scotland declares independence but you know it's not true. Why do you continue to make false claims when you know they will be discovered? What would be left of the UK would be the successor state and is totally legal within international law. This state would not have to re-ratify all treaties nor reapply for UN membership. Just as Russia inherited the USSR's rights so would the smaller UK.

So stop lying. You look like a fool.
163 andy65 (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 10:18 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The, LOL you could not make up some of the stuff that comes out of your brain,seriously I think you need help---of the medical kind as for other countrys rushing to the defence of Argentina well there might have been one Venazuela and that old farts on his last legs and that was only sabre rattling(a little like old Crissy does) it must be a South American thing but serious my friend no other country gives a rats ass only your dear leader Crissy.
May I also draw your attention to two articles below about the Chilean Presidents past two visits to The UK twice in the past 2 years and see how we work alongside our South American partners,I should immagine quite uncomforable for your botox queen but you seen to have a thick scull and for some reason believe you have South American unity.All your neighbours do is pay Crissy what we call LIP SERVICE,like yes Kristina what ever you say Kristina then when her backs turn its two thingers and F.... Kristina take a look my friend

www.gov.uk/government/news/foreign-secretary-met-sebastian-pinera-president-of-chile-and-his-foreign-minister-alfredo-moreno

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/chile/8069615/Chiles-president-brings-mine-rocks-for-the-Queen-and-David-Cameron.html
164 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
@162

“You guys”?

Didn't you say you were some sort of anglo-argentine?

Gottcha.

As for the remainder of your screed, the sequence of claims is virtually irrelevant when all other factors that I enumerated are considered. You are deluding yourself by attempting to assert that any hypothetical litgation would have such a narrow scope.

Just face it, the “claim sequence” is your only card. In everything else, what is the justificatio for any UK presence in Antarctica? No agitprop, no propaganda... what is the purpose of the UK in Antarctica?

Exactly, none. Just your typical colonialist land grab... a British tradition for 400 years. You never changed and never will change. And people are wising up.

@163

I guess the UK has to begin to make up for the loss of friends in the European mainland... lol. (sad but true).
165 andy65 (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 10:57 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The A quote from Angela Merkel German Chancellor“ I can not imagine The United Kingdom not being at the heart of The European Union” We are a member of a club of 27 independent countrys all trying to get the best deal for each respective country we are a NET contributor to this organisation which means we put in more than what we get out unlike your former colonial masters and no doubt ancestors The Spanish.
166 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 11:30 pm Report abuse
And what do I care about the Spanish? You are the most uneducated moron here.

Of course Merkel will say whatever to the French, British, etc, money talks... but you got no friends on the mainland.
167 Anglotino (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 12:37 am Report abuse
Oh NT5

“Didn't you say you were some sort of anglo-argentine?”

Umm no! Again do some research! Seems I got you instead.

“the sequence of claims is virtually irrelevant when all other factors that I enumerated are considered”

And there you go again highlighting your paucity of logical and knowledge.

I see that my quotes regarding the Antarctic treaty and international law stopped some if your hyperbole dead in its tracks. Just in case you missed it:

'So nothing Argentina has done since 23 June 1961 has any legal standing in this dispute.'

If you want to keep using the treaty then man up to the parts you don't like. Enumerate away.

“You are deluding yourself by attempting to assert that any hypothetical litigation would have such a narrow scope.”

So you don't think Argentina will or should abide by a treaty they signed?

“Just your typical colonialist land grab... a British tradition for 400 years. You never changed and never will change. And people are wising up.”

I think you are attempting to make a point and yet you didn't (again). So what if it is a land grab. Haha. I mean really so what! Isn't that what Argentina is doing? Isn't that how the Spanish laid the foundations for Argentina. Isn't that how Argentina claimed Patagonia? You're so tied up in knots and hypocritical that you don't see how fantastically comical you are.

Actually it's 439 years next year, less than Spain's 510 years in the Americas. Hard to criticise colonialism when you are a product of it. And who is “wising up”? The only squeals come from Argentina (and a few from Spain).

Again you believe Argentina making territorial claims is legitimate but Britain's are not.

You're a classic. Please don't stop because you keep adding to my argument at every turn.

Oh by the way, thanks for supporting Britain's claim to the Falklands. You are your own worst enemy. Less thesaurus and more encyclopaedia.
168 andy65 (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 12:45 am Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus “And what do I care about the Spanish” Well to be blunt it's obvious your mother screwd one and look what she got a mad, crazy deluded ass wipe ,just like your president come to terms with your history you might have escaped that miserable country Argentina to live comfortably in a PROPER DEMOCRCY but you come from a land of imagrants European Immagrants whom I'm sure would live tomorrow if they could only afford to.

God bless Anglotino who makes you look more stupid by every click of his mouse.
169 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 01:14 am Report abuse
@167

Actually, he looks particularly feckless in his futile attempt at subreption vis-à-vis the Falklands question. Not only because it is a crude rhetorical devise that proves nothing but one's deficiencies in debate, but because in this case it is entirely unnecessary.

As everyone here is aware, I support the UK's position on the Falklands.
170 andy65 (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 01:18 am Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus Nice to see your towing the line of your adopted country
171 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 01:20 am Report abuse
@170

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172 andy65 (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 01:51 am Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus just incase you don't have television there

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ0A9BKKmzs
173 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 01:55 am Report abuse
You seriously expect me to sit through that.

Don't get me wrong, I respect your traditions and history, because I enjoy culture and history.

However, the above video has no jurisdiction where I live.
174 andy65 (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 02:10 am Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus Just wondering what old Crissy had to say to her people,you would do well to watch and listen she is much loved all over the world such a great lady ,bet your wishing your momma had't have screwd that Spanish Pirate now. LOL
175 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 02:19 am Report abuse
We don't need ingratiating Christmas messages by our president. Our president is a politician, not some “Pappa Smurf in chief” like Americans mistakenly seek their president to be (in other words, their president must be both politician and moral leader... how absurd). You European monarchies get around that problem by ascribing such qualities to your King/Queen. Fine, you have that history of monarchical families. The French, Italians, and Germans got rid of their monarchies but still “patriarchalize” their leaders by expecting them to deliver silly festive messages.

In Argentina we are intelligenter, we seek confort in our families, and those who have faith, in their abodes of worship. We don't need some silly president, prime minister, or royal to condescend a clearly perfunctory speech not felt from the heart.
176 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 03:33 am Report abuse
Queen Elizabeth Land, named after a worthy queen:

youtu.be/1AS-dCdYZbo

Your 'Queen', not so much

youtu.be/j0fywBbhvxo
177 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 03:52 am Report abuse
Nobody here cares about your queen, get over yourselves and accept that cold reality.
178 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 07:17 am Report abuse
@Nozzy

In reality, YOU personally, care very much and it angers you that we respect her and we name land after her.

More so, because there is nothing you can do about it.

Doesn't our wonderful Queen look so regal and behave so magnificently. :- )

Compare that to the caterwauling, foot-stomping, bratty nutjob that abuses the people of Argentina. Disgraceful !
179 lsolde (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 09:36 am Report abuse
Actually its British territory & we'll call it what we like.
lts got sfa to do with any other country..............especially Argentina!
l'm glad that it annoys them.
Now, what can we think of next to annoy the perishers?
180 shb (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 10:11 am Report abuse
@177 you cared enough to post telling us you did'nt care - so you must be wound up about it.
181 andy65 (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 01:30 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The, At least that other butch looking woman from Argentina who looks like a man in drag knows her place and knows how to behave in front of our dear Queen Elizabeth 2nd,looks like she bought a new outfit also.

www.buenosairesherald.com/article/114360/ambassador-alicia-castro-delivers-credentials-to-queen-elizabeth-ii
182 Musky (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 10:37 am Report abuse
@62 Stevie
Granted, QEL won't appear in the Sesame Street Universal Atlas but it will appear in British maps and lets face it Stevie, unless you've discovered or surveyed or visited or mapped a place, it won't get named. just look at the robot on mars, new finds, new names, I suspect if the scientists named a small rocky outcrop 'prince harry's cliff', then argentina would be upset at that too. It is better to have names rather than something like, 'large rock #34532d/4'. Besides britain had some part in the discovery of antartica, will smith, captain weddell etc... all famous names in this neck of the woods. And from argentina there was......no one.
183 British_Kirchnerist (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
#146 Interesting video, I can see why the presenter supports the Harvard Students as he comes across himself as a stereyotypical posh boy. Very good comments underneath it though from a guy called Privatise_This, who gives a true representation of Cristina's progressive governance and (just for the slow witted I imagine) explains her use of irony and sarcasm...
184 JohnN (#) Dec 30th, 2012 - 03:23 pm Report abuse
Great short video of Antarctic tourism:
Antarctica Expedition 2012 (GoPro HERO3):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjB9z47EV8w

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