Argentina strongly protests UK’s naming Queen Elizabeth land in Antarctica
Argentina strongly protested on Friday Britain's decision to name a vast swath of Antarctica as Queen Elizabeth Land. The Foreign ministry handed a formal protest note to British Ambassador John Freeman in Buenos Aires.
In the note the Argentine government recalls the country’s categorical rejection to all British territorial pretension in Antarctica and reaffirms its rights over what it describes the Argentine Antarctic Sector.
The note rejects London's claim since 1908 to a chunk of Antarctic known as the British Antarctic Territory, and it criticizes what Argentina calls Britain's “imperialistic ambitions going back to ancient practices” and contrary to the spirit of peace and cooperation of the Antarctic Treaty.
Argentina has long claimed as its own the land named after the British monarch this week. That area is about a third of the British Antarctic Territory.
The protest note reiterates Argentina’s commitment to the values and principles of the Antarctic Treaty System based on peace, science, international cooperation and the protection of the environment, and underlined that Article IV of the treaty safeguards the positions of the parties in affairs referring to sovereignty claims in Antarctica.
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The British Antarctic Survey is conducting research down the that provides insight in to the origins of life for the benefit of all of mankind. What would you be doing with it? Looting? Or nothing? What someone else has Argentina wants, it's like a four year old. It's only because it can see us playing with it, if we put it down Argentina would lose interest.
God Save The Queen
Morning all.
However, I can see it from the other point of view - why did it take over a century to make this re-naming.....
Ultimately, the sanctity of the Antarctic as an (almost) untouched wilderness is far too important to leave to nation states and should be administered by a multi-national scientific based organisation.
lt was bound to annoy them & it did!
Like poking a snake with a stick.
Anyway its all in fun(fun for us, at least).
They are like little children.
Why is it imperialistic for Britain to claim territory but not Argentina?
Argentina can name this area whatever they want. However I'm sure they take umbrage more so because more countries will recognise Queen Elizabeth Land than whatever they name.
Partly due to the dominance of English, partly due to the Commonwealth Realms and Commonwealth of Nations but mostly because nearly every country respects and admires the Queen.
God save the Queen.
But Its Argentina they have been behaving badly for ages so getting a well deserved slap was long overdue.
spanish speaking italians who think there british living in paris er no.
“The British Antarctic Survey is conducting research down the that provides insight in to the origins of life for the benefit of all of mankind. ”
What a load of pompous claptrap.
I certainly agree with your following statements though.
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at the end of the day if argentina wants all this land and surrounding islands that is british then they are going to have to annex them, otherwise keep crying,
but as modern history has shown annexing does not go down well with the international community.
Please come and claim it - you will be given an appropriate welcome.
Dam do these creatures never stop bleating????
Considering that Antarctica is a SEPARATE continent from South America, from where does Argentina's claims arise ?
@23 You have no idea what “diplomacy” means. Any more than you understand “honesty”, “integrity”, “respect” or “truth”.
@24 If you're going to rename anything, what's wrong with Whining Bitch Land? For hundreds of years, people will automatically think of CFK. You can then carry on and rename something closer to home. For Buenos Aires, I recommend Ground Zero. We'll be glad to do the rest. If you could arrange to be there, you could be immortalised. As a shadow on a wall.
For all our argie bloggers, misfits and repulsive, irrelevant slugs: See how much WE care what you think! Have you sent lots of copies of your letter of “protest”. It's always good to have reserves of paper suitable for use in the bog. We're thinking of renaming other places as well. Buenos Aires, for example, will become Ground Zero. Cordoba might become Aiming Point 1. Mar Del Plata could become Aiming Point 2. Rio Gallegos is being considered for El Lago Gallegos.
Now, Argentina protests us naming British Antartica “Queen Elizabeth Land” - meanwhile there is civil unrest in their country with mobs rioting and stealing from supermarkets.
Strange priorities!
“why did it take over a century to make this re-naming...” (RedBaron #11)
“Like poking a snake with a stick.” (Isolde #12)
“they have choosen a beautiful envelope to give your ambassador the protest.” (malen #23)
Well, I think we all agree;
British politicians counter-attacked the Argentinians with a weapon of delightful subtlty.
Nobody was invaded, attacked or killed, but there is no doubt that the rapier-thrust of good, old fashioned diplomacy 'pierced the target and drew blood'.
We used to do it by symbolically raising a flag (always think of Eddie Izzard: “Yes, but do you have a flag?” ... as the Spaniards, Welsh and Italians inght have said to the Mapuche).
These days of electronic media and communications, it seems all we need to 'twist the tail' is an anodyne declaration of re-naming to celebrate a centenary.
Well done, Rt. Hon. Foreign Secretary Hague!
When will our truly experienced foreign service officers stand up to these idiots and stop them making fools of themselves!!!!!
”This is just pure sycophantic fawning, so loved by the English and the royal family.
What next ?
Planet Windsor ( formerly known as the earth )
Pathetic self indulgence and small mindedness, and embarrassing on the world stage”
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Watch these kind of videos
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Perhaps she should go and loot something, that might relax her a bit and I hear it is quite popular in Argentina these days.
Embarrassing on the World stage like telling lies about growth and inflation and getting thrown out of the IMF and G20?
Silly person! There are riots because of this intolerable insult to the Argentinian people!
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Question=why is Britain so great?
Reply= Action speaks louder than words **
Question=why is CFK such a failure “
Reply, = because talking, exercises the jaw bone.
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Royal Navy’s global Christmas presence thanks to one in seven of its men and women
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HMS Protector - Christmas greetings from the bottom of the Earth
[and not an argie in sight….
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Argentina accuses UK of 'imperialism'
www.bfbs.com/news/falkland-islands/argentina-accuses-uk-imperialism-62385.html
[all together now, ] ha ha ha ..
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Happy Chrismas to all Miserable Argentines who believe that
ARGENTINA IS ALWAYS THE VICTIM.
GOD BLESS QUEEN ELIZABETH LAND
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48, charge a fee for visas as USA and UK
1, is VISAS no a country
2, is it then free to Great Britain,
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when you say, [our lands and seasons everywhere]
do you mean that argentina now has lands all over the world, and controls all of the seasons ??
Antarctica is international territory, and the only reason Britain makes this international news, is to mock the only ones who cares, namely the Argentines.
Argentina shouldn't care really, as this means nothing for the world atlases.
Meanwhile, the rest of the world will continue calling the place for it's real name. Antarctica.
#50 I am talking about Antartica Argentina and malvinas Argentina, nothing to do with anyone else but Argentine's and criminals in their land.
Must be a Spanish thing don't you think????
Are you a comedian in Argentina, build a base in Antartica, what with? How you going to get there? Your ships are knackered, do you have an ice breaker, you can barely afford to pay your armed forces as it is. Civil unrest, looting, sky high inflation, getting kicked out of the IMF and G20 and you think a good use of Argentinas meager defence budget should be spent on a base in Antartica.
No wonder your country is in such a mess with priorities like yours.
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Is it not true that Argentina has a piece of this international territory?
And has a military base and people there,
Is this not being a hypercrit?
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They want, what they cannot have,
Sooner or later Antarctica will be fought over,
What then? Principles of the free world,
Sooner or later.?
#56 fishing licenses and oil drilling licenses can bring a lot of income to Argentina as the brits do in Islas malvinas Argentina. No. You might be hable to keep Islas malvinas Argentina and we can populate Antartica since we are closer.
#57 for that reason we Argentines support a nuclear defense programs 100% made in Argentina, thats all, we like a fair fight because we aren't cowards like some people who should remain nameless for now.
#54 wrong and irrelevant, we Argentines love and support CFK 100% she is the best president Argentina had in over 40 years, now go shine shoes.
You are talking gibberish, QEL will only appear on British atlases, the rest of the world will keep on calling the international territory by its proper name, Antarctica.
That said, I will also distance myself from the gibberish posted by the other side of the argument as well.
As I said, it's nothing but mutual sand throwing. Childish arguments defending childish stances.
Your record has stuck in its groove again.
It's not worth trying to give a considered reply as you are obviously unhinged.
“QEL will only appear on British atlases, the rest of the world will keep on calling the international territory by its proper name, Antarctica.”
First off, no one has renamed Antarctica. The British has just named a small territory not the entire continent.
But you are wrong. I foresee the all Commonwealth countries will recognise this named area. There's another 52 countries. The EU will have no issue with this, so there's another 26 countries. Norway will too. I could go on, but there's 79 countries other than the UK.
Why would they even care?
You made a claim, I refuted that claim.
As to why countries would care. Well that's a question now. I'd say most wouldn't have an issue with this and hence they will have no issue incorporating the name.
The Queen is one of the oldest and longest serving head of state in the world. She is greatly admired and recognised for this. There is only one head of state currently serving longer and Thailand doesn't have any claims to Antarctica.
Her quiet and calm demeanour is a jarring opposite to the Argentine President and probably only adds to her appeal.
As long as the name isn't recognized by the UN, no atlases but the British one will incorporate that name, that much I can assure you.
But no the world won't just update their atlases because HM is old, but because she is respected. Also it helps that most countries don't stand to gain or lose regarding the matter so it is not controversial to all but a few countries..... or maybe just Argentina.
As for the UN! What the hell does the UN have to do with this? The UN doesn't control, manage or regulate Antarctica. The Antarctic Treaty System does. This isn't a UN body. And the UN definitely doesn't name or regulate naming of geographical features in Antarctica.
“no atlases but the British one will incorporate that name”. Why do you keep repeating his when you know you are wrong? Australia will incorporate it. New Zealand. Canada. You do realise HM is Queen of 16 countries don't you? Add in Norway and France who both have named parts of Antarctica and you have almost 10% of the UN recognising it already.
You're so wrong it is almost comical. You don't argue with facts but with emotions.
We just decided it was time to re-name a segment of it! :)
The nations of New Zealand, Australia, France, Norway and the UK, all of whom support each-others claims on Antarctica will support this change. These nations territory make up all of the claimed territory in Antarctica.
The only two nations who do not agree on this territory are both Argentina and Chile, Whom can't agree on each-others claim either.
I'll believe you when I see a Norweigan, French or Australian map with that name incorporated. Until then, I'll stick to the international community's position on the matter.
Same as if Argentina would name a piece of Antarctica “Tierra de Maradona”, which would be just as childish.
“reaffirms its rights over what it describes the Argentine Antarctic Sector”.
And according to Stink, Argentina has already given this territory an Argentinian name.
So alright for Argentina to claim and name but not the British, when they do it it’s called:
“Imperialistic ambitions going back to ancient practices” and contrary to the spirit of peace and cooperation of the Antarctic Treaty.
And even a reference to article IV, which invalidates most of Argentina’s present claim to the territory, truly remarkable comment.
Pot kettle, sauce goose. Clearly intended for internal consumption, looks like they are being tough and is at the intellectual level of a nine year old.
Once again, simply not in the real world.
@54 Pirat-Hunter
Well with the return of the Libertad at least you will have a ship capable of getting you to Antarctica, you’ll have to walk the rest of the way though.
Perhaps its time for Britain to review the size of its military deployment down there, with a view to increasing it, in light of this change in the balance of forces in the region.
I'll stick to the international community's position on the matter.
care to point me to the international communtitys position on this matter?
Name it what you want, nobody except the Argentines cares. And no, nobody will update any maps because of the British queen being old, as someone hinted.
As you stated yourself on post 77, nobody cares.
Hypothetically, many things can happen. Argentina could name a chunk of Antarctica for “Evita Peron Land”. Still, noone will care, except for the Brits.
You guys seem to need eachother.
No, you said, and I quote:
“It seems the only peope that care are the Rgs”
The Antarctic Treaty took effect on 1961-06-23, having been ratified by all the claimant nations. The nations that signed up for it recognize the claims.
And no, nobody will update any maps because of the British queen being old, as someone hinted.
That is ofcourse pure speculation on youre part. Theres a good chance many commonwealth countries will adopt the new name.
I think you should check up on the definition of a dictator, like her or not, CFK was democratically elected by her people.
Only thing that is sad really, is the fact that you believe that you are pissing Argentine people of. I might be wrong, but the only Argentines I've seen on these threads are some nationalists that seem to live everywhere but in Argentina. And then we have that Think-character. I don't know if he lives in Argentina, but it doesn't seem like you are succeding in pissing him off, really.
scarfo
And that, my friend, is pure speculation from your side as well.
My speculative guess is that we wont hear other nations taking a stance on the matter than Argentina, the UK and maybe some members of the commonwealth. The rest of the world will be far to busy with far more important matter, like counting their warts.
@44 Bet you don't have the guts. Besides, I have now officially renamed “Buenos Aires” as Ground Zero. Geddit?
@48 Thought argieland had loads of “bases”. Thing is that Faggotland isn't allowed to obstruct entry. So any argie faggot trying to demand a visa or payment for one would be a bandit. And could be shot! I volunteer.
@54 Oh goody, alex. Safe (you think) in the (British) Commonwealth country of Canada, you'd like to start a war. One in which you won't take part because you're a coward. Big mouth, big (well-used) ass, but nothing else. Not a problem. Want to watch “your” few remaining aircraft shot out of the sky, or destroyed on the ground? Want to watch “your” few remaining boats bombed and/or torpedoed? Want to watch “your” troops and civilian infrastructure bombed and missiled. Here's some fun thoughts. Squadrons of Typhoons and Tornados (about 260) armed with bombs and air to ground missiles. Interspersed with around 225 cruise missiles per day. Followed by around 64 multi warhead nuclear missiles. There is no “Antarctica Argentina” or “Malvinas Argentina”. We can prove it. By wiping Faggotland off the face of the planet. YOU are just a desperate, queer slob. But send the word back to the cesspit. The annihilation of Faggotland is well overdue. We can pick up and dispose of dregs like YOU anytime.
@59 Man-to-man ANY Brit can kill a minimum of 20 Spaniards or argies. Proved it many times. How are you going to negotiate the nuclear, glass-walled craters? A nuclear defence program? Explain to the argies that actually live in argieland, how you have encouraged (from safe Canada) their annihilation. Mirror. Stick your tongue out. See how brown it is. And disgustingly smelly.
@62 STFU. You don't have a brain. Just an ass.
@69 I like this. First, we explode any “country” that doesn't comply. Then “Steer east away from QE Land”. “Aground? Are you an argie? Are you sinking? Tough.”
And no, nobody will update any map
My speculative guess is that we wont hear other nations taking a stance on the matter than Argentina, the UK and maybe some members of the commonwealth.
stevie havent you just dissagreed with what i said, then agreed?
What's this outburst all about? Try to control yourself, man!
So either I agree with your baseless and constant bashing of Argentina, or I agree with CFK and all of her politics?
The world isn't black or white, you know?
I agree with some of CFK's politics, as I disagree with some other, as I've stated before.
My God, is this site for extremists only?
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now about my last post care to comment?
I never disagreed with you on anything, I said that nobody will update any maps and the only ones to have a stance on the matter are Arg, UK and maybe some members of the commonwealth. That's my speculation.
Yours is what you stated, and that's still your speculation.
Where did I disagree?
andy
Is that your definition of a dictator? A leader that, according to you, mocks and humiliates her own people?
Again, you should check up on the definition of a dictator.
And that she should need to be “put out of her misery” is plain ridiculous, not at all better than anything you are criticizing. In fact, much worse, you seem to think you are some king of lawyer, jury and judge, all in one.
As for your final question, I agree she is very arrogant in her behaviour against people she disagrees with, no doubt about that.
I would never do business with one again.
Unfortunately most of the world is seeing what I did and coming up with the same solution.
69
no atlases but the British one will incorporate that name, that much I can assure you.
78
And no, nobody will update any maps because of the British queen being old, as someone hinted.
89
My speculative guess is that we wont hear other nations taking a stance on the matter than Argentina, the UK and maybe some members of the commonwealth.
by taking a stance do you mean changing there atlasses? becouse by taking a stance thats the only thing i think you can mean, or could you please explain what you mean by taking a stance?
Well, by taking a stance I meant having an opinion on the matter. Caring, if you will. I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear.
Hopefully we can disagree on another subject at some point, as I respect the lack of abuse in your posts, but I really see no point in discussing a matter that will make little impact other than here, and looking up in the thread, I'm amazed I've used so much energy on a matter that I started out saying I didn't care about.
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MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR!
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Where is this mythical antartica argentina .
Now go and play in your bath with your plastic ducks like a good little imbecile and leave the forum for the grown-ups.
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What is the address of the care institution where you are confined? Are your carers aware that you have access to a computer which enables you to make these fatuous remarks on a December Sunday a few days before Christmas?
I think you you should go away and take your medication then have a siesta in a darkened room.
You are actually cheering the fact that a broken down ship is at last making it back to Argentina ? This is a victory ?
ARA Libertad needs an escort to lead it into Mar del Plata..why? Is it in danger of sinking ?
I will be magnanimous and give you your moment in the sun, you need a bit of cheering up with the state Argentina is in.
#111 The only victory here is that CFK delivered what she promised to all Argentines with out the help of CIA or any terrorist armed in UK or USA. That's all there is to it, you can all cry us a river but the facts is that CFK ovaries are huge.
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Always better to show both sides
Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas to you too...thanks
It is incredible how you can have a gorgeous area abutting something so horrific, dangerous and unsanitary. Most of those slums are not connected to the sewage system!
Also the Police are forbidden ( or are too scared) to go in there, it is run by a mafia.
Crissy said you can see the wealth she and Nestor has created because the slums have 4 stories now instead of just 2 when they took over.
Quite a delusional definition of prosperity!!
I reported youre post in English...thanks for this oppertunity.
The mass migration from (eg) the rural North East to (eg) the urban parts of SP State is a world wide problem, but at the moment few places in the world have such a BIG problem.
The favela buildings that millions of newly urban Brasilians have thrown up in the cities of Brasil will have to be dismantled.
Eventually the time of high-rise urban living will come to the poor of the favelas.
History elsewhere tells us that this will be cheap building. It will rapidly revert to high-rise slums with the same dangers as the favelas.
The cleared lands - if it happens in time - can have urban infrastructures for more extensive living for the new aspirant 'middle class'.
This takes much more land, and takes the people many miles away from their place of work. Higher speed mass worker-transportation will be necessary within and into the large cities ... and wages that cover the fare to and from work.
This needs special technocrat-politicians, people who can DO THINGS without the sort of corruption we see with the defunct Salvador Metro.
More people like Dilma, less people like Wagner.
I see you are now moderating your English.
Hope has now superseded demand and you forgot the bit about nuclear weapons -what a disappointment for your admirers.
Thank god we live in a REAL Democecy with respect, freedom of speach and expression un like the land you call Argentina.
Tonight there is peace and prosperity on The Falkland Islands can you same about mainland Argentina???? because in the paat 30 years each and everyone of the people you have elected as President have been corupt
GOD BLESS QUEEN ELIZABETH LAND
It as been an amazing year for The United Kingdom an amazing olympics wonderful celebrations of our Queens diamond jubilee compared to Argentina where ships are inpounded in forighn countrys or broken, more arguments and disputes within various orgaisations than ANY OTHER country in the world.lies to IMF on inflation and GDP figures yey Argentina still believes
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
Do Britain a favour and keep your comments to yourselves. Every time you post something, CFK thanks you.
“We hope the military pushes british illegal aliens from malvinas Argentina from planes next not Argentine's, stick around you might get to see it soon.”
If there's any British illegal aliens in Argentina, why don't you deport them?
I know it's off topic and and not in line with the mutial hate that goes on in this forum but I would just like to extend my best wishes to all those in the Falkland Islands.
Yes. I think that with a BIG year coming up next year, I would just like to say “Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year” to everyone in the Falklands. All the best for the New Year and I hope that the New Year brings Peace, long life and good fortune with it....
And To all my friends on this forum as well. I will say “All Hail and well met!!!” May you and your families have a great Christmas and a very Happy New Year. May all your hangovers be small ones!!!
And lastly, to the Argentine posters on this forum. Friends and friendly enemies alike, have a good Christmas. Look after yourselves and your families, stay safe and have a Happy New Year. I hope that things get better for Agentina in the coming year. I hope things get better for ALL Argentinian's everywhere.
Love and Peace from Nottingham
U.K
P.S:- Has anyone tried “Hot Vimto”???? They were selling down at the Christmas market. If you haven't, DON'T!!! It tastes like warm mouth wash.
“Argentina should build a permanent base in Antarctica Argentina and stop giving the world a say in our country.”
Totally missing the fact that Argentina has 2 permanent bases (research stations) on the Antarctic mainland. And 4 permanent bases on Antarctic islands.
homophoby and race superiority was seen as the norm. And back in 1920-some, I don't think Argentina had any bases in Antarctica.
A MERRY CHRISTMAS
May our postings in the new year bring pleasure and fun, even when we violently disagree.
May our language be tempered.
May our lack of skills in each other's languages be forgiven.
May we all be thankful that we can say what we may without fear of imprisonment and torture.
Sorry I didn't talk about his homophobia or racism in my posts here, just his intellectual deficiencies.
“And back in 1920-some, I don't think Argentina had any bases in Antarctica.”
Base Antártica Orcadas was founded on Laurie Island on 22/2/1904.
Does no one do any research on these forums? Because you just put yourself in the same category.
So what's the problem.. Argentine maps do not correspond with anyone elses anyway!
#93 I'd have thought a dictator wouldn't engage in debate with their own people at all! And no honest politician, whether in power or opposition, would just accept the arguments of a hostile audience without question or argumentation, especially when they were as stupid as the ones made by the spoilt brats at Harvard...
SS HILTER KRISTINS AT HER BEST
HER POLICY = MY WAY OR NO WAY
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I got to admit, I didn't google when Argentina acquired a chunk of Antarctica, no. What category is that, the one of people not googling random information?
I'm not Argentine, after all,
“they were as stupid as the ones made by the spoilt brats at Harvard...”
Typical CFK, and BK - anybody that questions or criticises CFK is dismissed as 'spoiled', 'privileged', 'enemies of the poor', or 'enemies of Argentina', etc.
This is the second time you have replied to me on this article and misrepresented what I have said. The first time you alluded to me speaking of Pirat-Hunter's homophobia and racism when I was talking about his intellectual deficiencies. Now you refer to “when Argentina acquired a chunk of Antarctica”.
But we haven't been talking about territorial claims. We've been talking about Argentina's research stations.
So yes I include you in the same category as Pirat-Hunter in doing no research. You either misread or misrepresent what is written and voice an opinion without facts. It is hardly “random Googling” when it's about the article in question.
“I'm not Argentine, after all”. So what! I don't care what nationality you are. Lack of articulation, inability to read or research and fluid beliefs don't know national boundaries.
So I'll help you out:
First Argentinean base in Antarctic region-1904
First Argentinean base on Antarctic mainland-1942
Territorial claim by Argentina-1951
So first Antarctic research station. Second station on the mainland (after Chile) and last territorial claimant (after UK, NZ, France, Norway, Australia and Chile).
and a happy new year .
And you are a very apt googler.
Next time I'm in need of a random piece of useless information,I'll let you know.
And I thought the article was about Argentina complaining about some British naming.
Your style is much like that of “Marcos Alejandro”.
I would even suggest that both personas are written by the same Troll operator.
Google! LOL. Much prefer DuckDuckGo. While you might think I have quoted “random... useless information” that is mere deflection to show that your posts usually lack any real information.
I'm not an “apt googler”, I'm a thorough researcher. Being intelligent helps too.
“I thought the article was about Argentina complaining about some British naming”. Wow great powers of deduction. It was indeed.
And why does Britain think it can name part of Antarctica?
And why did Argentina protest so much?
And who will recognise this new name?
I've argued and discussed with facts and reasoning. You just spout platitudes. You have time and time again shown that you don't know anything about Antarctica but are confident to make predictions and comment anyway.
If I were you, next time I'd think before speaking.
And why does Britain think it can name part of Antarctica? Noone cares but you and 2 Argentines
And why did Argentina protest so much? Noone cares but you
And who will recognise this new name? You
By the way, I'm typing, not speaking.
In 1904 Argentina took over an abandoned British base, on territory claimed by the British in 1819. By your own list of dates Argentina was about 100 years too late.
The Brits were there claiming territory, long before Argentina finished conquering its way down S. America to get to be our neighbours in that part of the world.
Claims by Argentina they have some inherent rights there, and we are invaders are frankly hilarious to the British.
Britain thinks it can name pats of Antarctica because it regards it as British territory, the same reason Argentina thinks it can name parts of Antarctica which it regards as its territory.
Argentina protests because they are trying to intimidate the British, pure and simple bluff and bluster, they don’t have a case and they know it.
No doubt some parts of the world will have their own names for parts of the Antarctic, and will recognise neither the British or Argentinian names.
But in general I think many more countries will recognise the British names rather than any Argentinian ones. Time will tell.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7YnOpOhu3c
Head of State
Head of the Commonwealth
youtu.be/wBKU8F1RFrM
Thus the entity claiming Antarctica based on first sighting (which by the way was likely effectuated by the Portuguese or Dutch), would itself be subject to the ruling and not be able to claim anything, since they themselves would be dissolved as a nation when applying such an adjudication.
That aside, secondly, there is the issue that courts put far more weight on things like active presence, uninterrupted presence, permanent habitation, birthrates, total population etc. Under all those, Argentina wins by a league.
Third, as I mentioned in another thread, if (when) the UK breaks up, its “frozen” claim cannot be inherited by any descendant entity, because the Treaty states that no claim is mortmain, and no new claims can be made once the treaty take effect... that was in 1959. This was to avoid obvious litigious disaster if a country broke up and they tried to fight over the claim, or make separate claims themselves.
Fourth, even if the UK actually went to war over this territory, one can be guaranteed that no one will follow them on any attempt to kick out Argentina, because that would require a violation of all UN rights of sovereingty, self-determination, and peaceful resolution of disputes. I'd be far more likely that other countries would rush to Argentina's defense.
Fifth, the British people would rise up in arms if their kids were sent to fight for ice.
EOS.
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Long winded and barely understandable drivel obviously don't make you right.
6 nations got their arses into gear before Argentina made her claim, and not even Argentina is disputing that. By your reckoning Argentina can claim Laurie Island. Congratulations! Also Orcadas Base was originally Scottish and called Ormond House. Seems you guys never arrive first anywhere!
So last claim... back of the line for you.
Also Antarctica was terra nullius, like the Falkland Islands but unlike Britain or modern day Argentina. So Stonehenge was quite a facile example.
Nay outright dumb.
And what court would weigh up birth rates, active presence, permanent habitation, total population and uninterrupted presence? I never thought you would admit that the Falkland Islands are British but you just did. Off to the ICJ now?
Congratulations. This quote will come back to haunt you.
You just can't get around the fact that Argentina didn't claim any territory until 1942. 2 years after Chile and 34 after Britain. Just can't get around that at all.
You also are conveniently ignoring Article IV of the treaty which states: “No acts or activities taking place while the present treaty is in force shall constitute a basis for asserting, supporting or denying a claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica or create any rights of sovereignty in Antarctica.”
So nothing Argentina has done since 23 June 1961 has any legal standing in this dispute.
Oops!
And yes we all know you keep making a false claim about the UK losing territorial claim rights if Scotland declares independence but you know it's not true. Why do you continue to make false claims when you know they will be discovered? What would be left of the UK would be the successor state and is totally legal within international law. This state would not have to re-ratify all treaties nor reapply for UN membership. Just as Russia inherited the USSR's rights so would the smaller UK.
So stop lying. You look like a fool.
May I also draw your attention to two articles below about the Chilean Presidents past two visits to The UK twice in the past 2 years and see how we work alongside our South American partners,I should immagine quite uncomforable for your botox queen but you seen to have a thick scull and for some reason believe you have South American unity.All your neighbours do is pay Crissy what we call LIP SERVICE,like yes Kristina what ever you say Kristina then when her backs turn its two thingers and F.... Kristina take a look my friend
www.gov.uk/government/news/foreign-secretary-met-sebastian-pinera-president-of-chile-and-his-foreign-minister-alfredo-moreno
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/chile/8069615/Chiles-president-brings-mine-rocks-for-the-Queen-and-David-Cameron.html
“You guys”?
Didn't you say you were some sort of anglo-argentine?
Gottcha.
As for the remainder of your screed, the sequence of claims is virtually irrelevant when all other factors that I enumerated are considered. You are deluding yourself by attempting to assert that any hypothetical litgation would have such a narrow scope.
Just face it, the “claim sequence” is your only card. In everything else, what is the justificatio for any UK presence in Antarctica? No agitprop, no propaganda... what is the purpose of the UK in Antarctica?
Exactly, none. Just your typical colonialist land grab... a British tradition for 400 years. You never changed and never will change. And people are wising up.
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I guess the UK has to begin to make up for the loss of friends in the European mainland... lol. (sad but true).
Of course Merkel will say whatever to the French, British, etc, money talks... but you got no friends on the mainland.
“Didn't you say you were some sort of anglo-argentine?”
Umm no! Again do some research! Seems I got you instead.
“the sequence of claims is virtually irrelevant when all other factors that I enumerated are considered”
And there you go again highlighting your paucity of logical and knowledge.
I see that my quotes regarding the Antarctic treaty and international law stopped some if your hyperbole dead in its tracks. Just in case you missed it:
'So nothing Argentina has done since 23 June 1961 has any legal standing in this dispute.'
If you want to keep using the treaty then man up to the parts you don't like. Enumerate away.
“You are deluding yourself by attempting to assert that any hypothetical litigation would have such a narrow scope.”
So you don't think Argentina will or should abide by a treaty they signed?
“Just your typical colonialist land grab... a British tradition for 400 years. You never changed and never will change. And people are wising up.”
I think you are attempting to make a point and yet you didn't (again). So what if it is a land grab. Haha. I mean really so what! Isn't that what Argentina is doing? Isn't that how the Spanish laid the foundations for Argentina. Isn't that how Argentina claimed Patagonia? You're so tied up in knots and hypocritical that you don't see how fantastically comical you are.
Actually it's 439 years next year, less than Spain's 510 years in the Americas. Hard to criticise colonialism when you are a product of it. And who is “wising up”? The only squeals come from Argentina (and a few from Spain).
Again you believe Argentina making territorial claims is legitimate but Britain's are not.
You're a classic. Please don't stop because you keep adding to my argument at every turn.
Oh by the way, thanks for supporting Britain's claim to the Falklands. You are your own worst enemy. Less thesaurus and more encyclopaedia.
God bless Anglotino who makes you look more stupid by every click of his mouse.
Actually, he looks particularly feckless in his futile attempt at subreption vis-à-vis the Falklands question. Not only because it is a crude rhetorical devise that proves nothing but one's deficiencies in debate, but because in this case it is entirely unnecessary.
As everyone here is aware, I support the UK's position on the Falklands.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ0A9BKKmzs
Don't get me wrong, I respect your traditions and history, because I enjoy culture and history.
However, the above video has no jurisdiction where I live.
In Argentina we are intelligenter, we seek confort in our families, and those who have faith, in their abodes of worship. We don't need some silly president, prime minister, or royal to condescend a clearly perfunctory speech not felt from the heart.
youtu.be/1AS-dCdYZbo
Your 'Queen', not so much
youtu.be/j0fywBbhvxo
In reality, YOU personally, care very much and it angers you that we respect her and we name land after her.
More so, because there is nothing you can do about it.
Doesn't our wonderful Queen look so regal and behave so magnificently. :- )
Compare that to the caterwauling, foot-stomping, bratty nutjob that abuses the people of Argentina. Disgraceful !
lts got sfa to do with any other country..............especially Argentina!
l'm glad that it annoys them.
Now, what can we think of next to annoy the perishers?
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/114360/ambassador-alicia-castro-delivers-credentials-to-queen-elizabeth-ii
Granted, QEL won't appear in the Sesame Street Universal Atlas but it will appear in British maps and lets face it Stevie, unless you've discovered or surveyed or visited or mapped a place, it won't get named. just look at the robot on mars, new finds, new names, I suspect if the scientists named a small rocky outcrop 'prince harry's cliff', then argentina would be upset at that too. It is better to have names rather than something like, 'large rock #34532d/4'. Besides britain had some part in the discovery of antartica, will smith, captain weddell etc... all famous names in this neck of the woods. And from argentina there was......no one.
Antarctica Expedition 2012 (GoPro HERO3):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjB9z47EV8w
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