Thursday, January 3rd 2013 - 00:31 UTC

Cristina Fernandez asks Cameron to return the Falklands “forcibly stripped” in 1833

Prime Minister David Cameron must return the Falkland Islands to Argentina, 180 years after the territories were “forcibly stripped” from Buenos Aires, President Cristina Fernandez has claimed in UK newspaper adverts scheduled to be published on Thursday and which has been anticipated.

MLA Dr Barry Elsby: ”we are not a colony – our relationship with the United Kingdom is by choice”.

Copy of the letter from the President of Argentina, Cristina Fernandez to Prime Minister David Cameron

In an emotional open letter to the British PM, Cristina Fernandez has called on him to honor a United Nations resolution dating from 1965 and start negotiations about handing over the islands.

The letter, which was due to be published in the British national newspaper “The Guardian” on Thursday, is timed to mark the anniversary of when on 3 January 1833 Britain took control of the Falklands from Argentina.

A copy of the 212-word letter was advanced to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon.

It says: “One hundred and eighty years ago on this same date, January 3rd, in a blatant exercise of 19th century colonialism, Argentina was forcibly stripped of the Malvinas Islands, which are situated 14,000 km away from London.

“The Argentines on the Islands were expelled by the Royal Navy and the United Kingdom subsequently began a population implantation process similar to that applied to other territories under colonial rule.

“Since then, Britain, the colonial power, has refused to return the territories to the Argentine Republic, thus preventing it from restoring its territorial integrity.

“The question of the Malvinas is also a cause embraced by Latin America and by vast majority of peoples and governments around the world that reject colonialism.

“In 1960, the United Nations proclaimed the necessity of ‘bringing to an end colonialism in all its forms and manifestations’.

“In 1965, the General Assembly adopted, with no votes against (not even by the United Kingdom), a resolution considered the Malvinas Islands a colonial case and inviting the two countries to negotiate a solution to the sovereignty dispute between them.

“This was followed by many other resolutions to that effect. In the name of the Argentine people, I reiterate our invitation for us to abide by the resolutions of the United Nations.”

The Falklands’ population is overwhelmingly pro-British and is scheduled to hold a referendum with international observers next March on the Islands political status. PM Cameron has said the UK would “respect and defend” the result of the plebiscite.

Dr Barry Elsby, Member of the Legislative Assembly of the Falkland Islands, told “The Daily Telegraph” on Wednesday night: “We are not a colony – our relationship with the United Kingdom is by choice.

”Unlike the Government of Argentina, the United Kingdom respects the right of our people to determine our own affairs, a right that is enshrined in the UN Charter and which is which is ignored by Argentina.”

On Wednesday night the Foreign Office said that it “strenuously denied” that Britain expelled Argentine citizens from the Falklands in 1833.

A spokesman said: “The people of the Falklands are British and have chosen to be so. They remain free to choose their own futures, both politically and economically, and have a right to self-determination as enshrined in the UN Charter.

“This is a fundamental human right for all peoples. There are three parties to this debate, not just two as Argentina likes to pretend. The Islanders can’t just be written out of history.

“As such, there can be no negotiations on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless and until such time as the Islanders so wish.”

The diplomatic broadside follows the British government's decision last month to name a large frozen chunk of Antarctica after the Queen – a gesture viewed in Buenos Aires as provocative.

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1 you are not first (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 12:47 am
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2 Bongo (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 12:59 am Report abuse
There's nothing reasonable about Argentina.

The tone of this advertisement borders on hysteria.

This stunt will go the way of all the others.

3 Anglotino (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:07 am Report abuse
Still using lies I see:
“The Argentines on the Islands were expelled”
Seems they missed the word GARRISON there.

“restoring its territorial integrity”
Nice play on words here, hoping to misrepresent a UN Resolution.

I wonder if she mentions the words “self-determination”. Probably not, but then again you have to love her desperate style of newspaper advertising. I hope they paid in advance.

I think the UK should start negotiations. They can meet with Argentina's president every January 3rd and ask whether Argentina will recognise the UN Charter and give the Islanders self-determination. When they answer no, they can thank them for the chance to negotiate and return the next January 3rd.

Hard to argue that you ignoring a UN Resolution then isn't it?
4 you are not first (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:12 am Report abuse
I understand. Lacking sun and healthy life and living under the influence of Servant ancestry make you a learning disable. If you are not understanding the difference between COLONIALISM and NATURAL INDEPENDENCE then, you IQ will not allow to comprehend the such intellectual thinking. In Argentina will love you anyway. And you may get some sunlight. By the way, do you know where the TEA come from?
5 Faulconbridge (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:13 am Report abuse
If any of the people allegedly illegally deported in 1833 go to the I.C.J. they will no doubt get a sympathetic hearing.
6 Optimus_Princeps (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:14 am Report abuse
This is CFK's “I'm desperate because people are starting to realize that I'm screwing the country, but here's a chance to distract the nationalist idiots” card.

Be forewarned, there will be a furious wave of trollish posts from these people. There are more newsworthy stories than this, and it's no time to get distracted.

For the rest, let the idiocy begin!
7 Lord Ton (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:20 am Report abuse
Hello Argentina. Happy Anniversary :-)
8 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:30 am Report abuse
@01 hewer knot thirst

A special new troll appears for a new story.

Well, actually, the same old story. Yawn

A new year, and “Sussie” gets a new chance.

Will be ignoring this persona too
9 Anglotino (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:38 am Report abuse
@4 You are not the first.

I assume your reply was to me. Let's break down your reply :

“I understand”
Off to a bad start because it is doubtful.

“Lacking sun and healthy life and living under the influence of Servant ancestry make you a learning disable.”
I'm Australian mate so definitely don't lack sun or a healthy lifestyle and we have managed to create a better and wealthier country than you in less time and with less people.

“If you are not understanding the difference between COLONIALISM and NATURAL INDEPENDENCE then, you IQ will not allow to comprehend the such intellectual thinking.”
Oh I do understand. The Falklands were once a COLONY. They now have the right to decide their own future sovereignty so that would be the NATURAL INDEPEDENCE you talk of.

Which one will be extinguished and which one will be reinstated under Argentine sovereignty?

“In Argentina will love you anyway.”
Awwww thank you. I love Argentina and the Argentineans too. Their choice of government is another matter.

“And you may get some sunlight.”
Actually got plenty. More than Argentina actually.

“By the way, do you know where the TEA come from?”
Aah finishing off with something that makes no sense. How comforting for me.

My turn for a question? How does it feel? How does it feel to fight a losing battle that saps your entire nation's attention?

I sincerely hope you visit the Falklands one day and see why people are so happy.
10 José Malvinero (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:42 am
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11 Islander1 (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:47 am Report abuse
How so Argentine to overlook that these resolutions were non binding “motions” in effect from the Gen Assembly and similar committees - and of course completly OMIT formal legal binding res 502 of the UN Security Council following Arg invasion of the islands whilst Sov talks were still in action!!
So unArgentine to ovelook that her own history archives list the names of all who STAYED on in the Islands in 1833!
But Good news - she will have paid in Dollars - so a bit less in her reserves and a bit of usefull cash into the UK private sector - just what the UK economy needs!! - Keep it up old girl!!
As for BankiMoon - he must be puzzled - CFK says in the UN in Sept - I just want to sit and talk and not even about Sov to start with - Then he gets a copy of a formal invitation to CFK from the Islands Govt to indeed - sit and talk! - Now CFK says they refuse to sit and talk with me!
BankiMoon thinks - someone has their head up their arse here - and it appears to not be me- nor UK - nor Falklands - wonder who it is then?
12 redpoll (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:52 am Report abuse
Anyone understand this troll English? I hesitate to call it logic as that would be an insult to that discipline
13 womble (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:58 am Report abuse
Look, it's obvious the 2 sides in this dispute will never agree. They can't even agree whether the Falklanders are involved or not.

The advert in the Guardian is just another in the same vein as those from the leaders of North Korea, Libya (pre-overthrow of Gadaffi), Yemen, Sudan, etc. It is there to look good to THEIR OWN PEOPLE.
No-one in the UK or the Falklands will be swayed by it for a second, only CFK fans.

Either Argentina's politicos needs to get over this tiny territory, and see that their electorate have more pressing issues, or they will be doomed to decades of disappointment.

The only power that can force the UK away from the Falklands, is the Falklanders themselves. Not even Ronnie Reagan could do it.
14 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:58 am Report abuse
@11 islander

“As for BankiMoon - he must be puzzled - CFK says in the UN in Sept - I just want to sit and talk and not even about Sov to start with - Then he gets a copy of a formal invitation to CFK from the Islands Govt to indeed - sit and talk! - Now CFK says they refuse to sit and talk with me!”

Good to hear that CFK's groundless assertions are being countered, officially, now.

CFK will come out of this looking foolish, as each of her hysterical charges, and publically stated pieces of alternate history is proven incorrect.
15 Teaboy2 (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:35 am Report abuse
LMAO - CFK thinks this little advert in the British press will win her backing in britian!!

Sorry but all it will do is antagonize the British people and make those not already aware of Argentina's aggressive stance and policies towards the Falklands Islands and the islanders, fully aware of what Argentina is doing. All the advert will do is stir more heightened support for the islanders, like the backfiring Argentine Olympic advert did - It will even cause some Brits to start calling for military lesson teaching to CFK, as to be honest our patience is starting to wear thin. Jesus, wake up Argentinians, your president is taking you down a path, which may likely lead to military confrontation or trade sanctions etc against you.
16 redpoll (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:43 am Report abuse
Oh all this is just a distraction. Meanwhile she is stuffing her bank account with illegal dollars
17 kelperabout (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 03:45 am Report abuse
CFK is like the pot calling the Kettle Black. She has no idea of our identity of these Islands. Funny how she never mentions the fact that Argentina was created by stealing land from the indigenous people of that land. The Falkland islanders have never stolen any land or killed inocent people to claim their rights to live these Islands and Britain who had laid her claim over a hundred years before the Argentines nter claim they received them from Spain is the biggest joke of the new year. It is about time this whole nonsence was put to rest. The Islanders have existed on the Islands for almost the same time Argentines have existed in their Country. If there is any decent Argentines living they would totally agree with me that The Falkland Islands belong to the people who live there and just like all Argentines are a people in their own right. CFK and any previous government has refused to recognise we exist just as they refused to recognise the Indigenouse people of South America those same rights. Argentina will always be the greedy type because that is how they came to be in the first place.
Britain has supported our right as has the United nations to be a people who should be allowed to choose their own destiny. No one else should be able to dictate otherwise.
Meanwhile let us enjoy a peaceful 2013 and we will all be prosporouse as a result.
18 Rob the argentine (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:26 am Report abuse
#17 Kelperabout: Yes, u r right, let's enjoy a peaceful 2013 and I hope the whole world will support Falkland Islands, islanders and your right to self-determination after the referendum.
Happy and Peaceful 2013 everyone!!
19 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:36 am Report abuse
Dr Barry Elsby, “We are not a colony – our relationship with the United Kingdom is by choice”
Did you vote for your governor?
What relationship Dr Elsby? You moved to Malvinas from your beloved England in 1990, uninvited of course.
20 Chicureo (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:39 am Report abuse
We in Chile DEMAND that Argentina return Patagonia to Chile.
Of course we'll have to return the North to Bolivia and Peru, but that's what happens when you re-write history...
21 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 05:31 am Report abuse
@18 Rob

“#17 Kelperabout: Yes, u r right, let's enjoy a peaceful 2013 and I hope the whole world will support Falkland Islands, islanders and your right to self-determination after the referendum.”

Nice sentiment Rob. Here's hoping all proves well with the Referendum, too. It should raise world awareness. This stunt by CFK should further raise the profile of the Falklands, in time for the voting in March.

Hopefully, it will make turn the eyes of the world on Argentina and her SA Mercosur partners, and spotlight their actions.

Just read The Economist: The World in 2013.

They mention the Fslklands Referendum, but predict that the oil wealth discovered will make it difficult for the Referendum to have any effect on FI's neighbours.

Interestingly, they also predict that CFK still has a chance of pulling together a 2/3 majority to change the Constitution before October, to allow a third term.

That being said, elsewhere in the Economic Profile Section of the magazine, they state the official INDEC inflation rate for Arg. , 9%.
Nothing about 'false reporting' in the accompanying comments either.
It makes you wonder how current or detailed their info is.

BTW, Correa is predicted to become the “biggest irritant south of the border” to the US, after Chavez dies.
22 Boovis (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 06:09 am Report abuse
@19 Marcos, do you even know what a Governor does in this day and age? If you did, you wouldn't be posting such drivel.
23 Frank (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 06:52 am Report abuse
'the United Kingdom subsequently began a population implantation process similar to that applied to other territories under colonial rule.'

That is so funny... KFC is obviously to stupid to understand exactly what she has written here.
24 Tabutos (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:15 am Report abuse
looks like Davids got some more toilet paper, Argetina world toilet paper suppliers :)
25 Rob the argentine (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:21 am Report abuse
#21 T.T.: it's sad but true, islanders will have problems with Argentina forever. Here we are taught “England stole the islands from us” ad nobody knows the real history. The “Malvinas issue” is used every time the country is going through hard times and when someone thinks different about it is bullied as being against Argentina.
Also, just in case Falkland get independence and cease to have U.K. military protection, be sure Argentina will try to invade the islands again.
The real inflation rate in Argentina (for 2012) have been over 25% and for 2013 is estimate being over 30%.
About CFK changing the Constitution, is sad but she still have chance. If that happens she will go forever.
26 Gordo1 (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:27 am Report abuse
Things must really be getting bad at home! Right, doña Cretina?

And, of course, The Guardian, by accepting this rubbishy open letter, is showing its true colours, again!

This shows how desperate la Cretina is becoming.
27 Rob the argentine (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:35 am Report abuse
#26: Here, in Argentina, things are going really bad. That's why doña Kretina goes again and again with the “Malvinas issue”.
I think is good that The Guardian accepted the letter, now the whole world knows how mad and crazzy is our president.
28 malicious bloke (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:38 am Report abuse
Seems like Argentina is running out of straws to grasp at. Maybe you should import some more before your currency gets too devalued...
29 Xect (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:44 am Report abuse
I'd be embarrassed if this woman ran my country. Lies on top of lies displayed in a crass and shameless manner.

Can she get much lower?

Anyway it matters not as nobody in the Western world cares what she thinks, her terrible behavior now means nobody pays any attention to her childish antiques.

You need a new leader and fast!
30 Santa Fe (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:49 am Report abuse
Couldnt put it better :- Guardian Response
Cristina Kirchner is an increasingly unpopular figure who heads a sinking administration whose international isolation is growing by the day. Her latest Falklands rant is an act of pathetic desperation that merely underscores the futility of her cause. We can expect more of the same in the coming months, as the Falkland Islanders head to the polls. The only answer from Downing Street must be one of continued resolve and a firm pledge to defend the Falklands with robust force if President Kirchner is foolish enough to militarily threaten the sovereignty of the Islands
31 Rob the argentine (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:52 am Report abuse
#28: what CFK lost is her perception and her grasp of the facts that FI deserve the right to self determination and that we, argentines, deserve better politicians.
Actually, the “dollar-blue” (unofficial) is about 7 Pesos each Dollar.
32 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 08:04 am Report abuse
Oh dear, another brain fart from the Whore of La Plata. I guess things must be collapsing around her ears and she needs something to divert the attention of the gullible imbeciles who fall for her revisionist drivel.
33 War Monkey (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 08:10 am Report abuse
New year. Old record. Yawn.
34 Musky (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 08:20 am Report abuse
This story was even on BBC Radio 4 this morning as I drove to work. Our government gives the same response. ”only if the islanders wish it'.
Her letter referencing the 1960 resolution fails to point out that it is at odds with the UN Charter on self determination. Britain explored the possibilities at the time but without a mandate from the islanders there can be no handover. Thus the falicy that argentines have lived under continues to be renewed by the latest argentine el-presidentee and its ass-backward government.
35 DanyBerger (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 08:29 am Report abuse
Argentina needs to grow up and develop nuclear subs with cruiser missiles to reach any country in the world instead of waste money on useless organisation like FMI WB, and hundreds of organisations good for nothing.

Then send to little UK an ultimatum and if the idiots try to play the monkeys, bomb then like in the old days until they understand how serious is their situation.

A cruiser missile to UK stock exchange and the city will be enough to send UK to stone age.

The islands should be bombed day and night until all will be destroyed, air field, rigs, ports, absolutely everything.

A country like Argentina rich in resources always should be prepared for war and armed with WMD. Otherwise will be the laugh of the world while is raped by opportunistic pirates.
36 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 08:32 am Report abuse
I see the world's media are treating this stunt with the disdain it deserves. The arrest of Jim Davidson - a comedian who hardly anyone outside of the UK has ever hear of is making headlines in the international media, whilst CFK pathetic and totally transparent stunt gets hardly any mention at all ... because the fact of it is that everyone can see that she is full of piss and wind and that this stunt is for purely domestic Argentinian consumption.

Yet another big fail for the saggy old bag from La Plata, whose position is so fragile that she has to leave the country in secret for fear of being deposed in a coup.
37 Musky (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 08:46 am Report abuse
@35 DanyBerger
and so the prosecution rests its case, malvinistas are a stoneage people with little realisation that if a country can take on the 3rd reich, it can easily take on the 3rd rate.
38 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 08:46 am Report abuse
'Cristina Kirchner’s Falklands demands are delusional and insulting'
39 inthegutter (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 08:48 am Report abuse
#35 This murderous infantile attitude is what I've come to expect from many of the Argentine posters on this forum. I feel sorry for the honest sensible people in what could be a great country that are weighed down by people like you and your current government.

P.S. The Guardian and Independent (and the wider British society) thank you for the advertising revenue your government has just given them. This is especially funny considering the rebuttal.
40 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 08:54 am Report abuse
@35 DanyBerger

Thanks for so eloquently illustrating precisely why no-one will ever take a Neanderthal and murderous shit-hole like Argentina seriously ... even if, one day, you do acquire the peashooter you dream of :)
41 Britishbulldog (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 08:58 am Report abuse
I see DanyBerger is one sandwich short of a picnic basket like his glorious leader Christina the Troll of the South Americans.
42 HansNiesund (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:01 am Report abuse

Let's not be too hard on Dany. Seems he got bitten by Alex Vargas. One can only speculate how. But maybe somebody should throw a bucket of cold water over him before hydrophobia sets in. Or maybe after.
43 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:05 am Report abuse
Happy New Year!!!!!

I see that the TMBOA / Ol' Turkey Neck / KFC / The Harpy has started the year in fine style. Nice to see that the seaon of goodwill has brought out her “caring” “human” side isn't it?

27 Rob the argentine

I feel sorry for you my friend, you have to listen to this day in and day out, all the while she is wreaking your country instead of fixing it.

32 Vuggevise

Exactly what I was thinking. The only reason she would do this is because she needs a distraction. The only question we should be asking is “What has she done now?”

35 DanyBerger

Why develop cruise missiles? The royal navy could let you have one of ours... with the arming pin out. The flying time to B.A from the present patrolling position is only about 3 minutes. If you wanted, you could have by lunch time if you like...............
44 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:08 am Report abuse
Just like in 1945 we said 'no' the Nazis annexing Poland, in 2013 we say 'no' to the Nazis annexing the Falklands. It's that simple.

45 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:21 am Report abuse
Well said Barry.
46 War Monkey (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:34 am Report abuse
35 DanyBerger (#)
Jan 03rd, 2013 - 08:29 am

47 lsolde (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:35 am Report abuse
@19 Marcos,
What business is it of yours how our Government is run?
We are happy with it & thats all that matters.
l'm sure that you can find something worthwhile to do at home, making Argentina a (much) better country for its long-suffering people than worry about us. Thank you.
48 Raven (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:42 am Report abuse
As the inflation problem grows, and civil unrest becomes more frequent, BK's favourite pin up girl will be issuing more verbal diarrhoea to distract the populace from rising up and overthrowing her.

The others in the UN will be needing cotton wool for their ears, as we all know, this ''issue'' is the only thing she will be bleating about whilst she is there, until 2015 at least.

Maybe she should instead go and do an online History course. Perhaps the people of the Falklands could buy her it? Oh, and maybe she could learn the meaning of ''distortion of the truth''. She has a great example of that to learn from instantly. It's called INDEC.
49 ElaineB (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:51 am Report abuse
I watched the paper review early this morning and this advert was discussed with much laughter on the BBC. Particularly 'c.c. Ban Ki-moon'. : )
50 andy65 (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:54 am Report abuse
@DanyBerger,With your attitude boy you one can understand why your sort got great pleasure throwing your own people from military aircraft
51 Bongo (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:01 am Report abuse
Is DanyBerger the Argentine equivalent of our own loveable Conqueror?

In this letter CFK refers to the islands as “The Malvinas”. Are most people in the UK likely to know what “The Malvinas” are?
52 sj_ken (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:02 am Report abuse
Will Cristina Fernandez also return the land Argentina “forcibly stripped” from Paraguay?
53 Bubba (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:10 am Report abuse
Smoke and mirrors, again from the BoTox Queen. 30% inflation and no rule of law... football for all and return the Falklands!!
54 Rosemary Glass (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:11 am Report abuse
@Rob the Argentine: Thank you for your balanced, steady and thoughtful comments.

I find it difficult to accept the cliche that we get the politicians we deserve. At best, parliamentary democracy can lead to some moderation in the behaviour of politicians. For example, a majority of the British people were opposed to the invasion of Iraq, and that made no difference to what happened. Every country has people who do wise things and people who do stupid things.
Your comments make me want to know more Argentinians!
55 exBennie (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:11 am Report abuse
methinks Ms Fernandez is trying to distract her country folk from problems at home. methinks that is what the invasion was about 30 years ago. politicians will sink to any depth.
56 malicious bloke (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:14 am Report abuse
That's it, I've had enough! I'm writing to my MP calling for action.

I propose that we dress all of our royal marine defenders on the islanders as unarmed south american natives and camouflage all royal navy vessels as some form of even-toed ungulate (llama, guanaco, whatever reaches that far south).

Maybe that way, when the next Argtard conscript army tries to take the islands they may be brave enough to hold their ground.

History records argentines are a lot better at mass murder of civilian populations than fighting against a professional army.

Give the Argentine forces intermittent local air superiority, fortified high ground and 10-1 numerical advantage against British troops and watch them run like hell. Maybe if they thought the approaching body of people were just civilian farmers they'd be brave enough to fight back?
57 jeffski (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:22 am Report abuse
@49 Just been a 10 minute piece on sky news, basically laughing at the absurd wording and the out and out lies in the letter. This will go the way of all the mad bitches other rants and attempts at re-writing history to suit there illogical view point.

This should be put to bed once and for all, the UK should publish its historical records that prove without a shadow of doubt the history of the islands. That said self determination should prevail under the UN charter.

Argentina wants to colonise the islands while the UK wishes self determination, baffling. Some one should forward the Argies statement to the un that if the UK forces were not on the islands defending them, the Argies would invade again.
58 GeoffWard2 (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:26 am Report abuse
I think that Sra Kirchner should be shaken by the hand by the British Ambassador in Argentina, for the President has done a great job with her unsigned 'letter' in the advertisments she paid for.

She has primed world interest in the outcomes of the forthcoming Falkland Islands Referendum.
.... Become an Argentinian colony
.... Become an independent state
.... Remain a British Protectorate

Now it will (might) be published around the world that the Falkland Islands are a self-determining British Protectorate.

The world will have it re-inforced in its collective consciousness that to be protected by the British really means something, and that the British WILL fight for those under its protection.

She has allowed interested parties around the world to find out that the Falkland Islands were British well before Argentina even existed.


And it is a perfect opportunity for the British Prime Minister to reply..

”Dear Presidenta,
thank you for your most valuable publicity prior to the Falklands Referendum. It would be most useful if you told the world that I did not put you up to this.
I would indeed be pleased to talk to you about the Future of the Falkland Islands - and this will, I believe, satisfy the letter and the spirit of the UN recommendation on the matter.
It has come to my attention that ex-Prime Minister Thatcher did not press for War Reparations at the time of the defeat of your nation; indeed the UK incurred extra cost providing a cruise ship for your troops.
The cost to the UK incurred in the war was (present value) some $US 26billion. As you announced in the USA that this is well within the Argentinian national reserve, we are, somewhat belatedly, calling in this reparation.
You will be pleased to know that your reparation will provide for the Island's future, as requested by the UN.

Yours faithfully,
Prime Minister,
UN and Protectorates”
59 Clyde15 (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:31 am Report abuse
I could not agree with you more Dany. This is the most telling post you have made to date......... “Argentina needs to grow up”!!!!
60 Samuri Sue (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:32 am Report abuse
Will someone see that CFK gets proper medication? The poor lady is deconstructing ( that may not be the correct word -- it implies a previous structure ). Perhaps lithium salts or a double dose of Paxil might bring her a few light years closer to reality. Then she could say, “I don't care about the niceties, I just want the oil. I'm broke and need the money.”
61 deeepak (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:35 am Report abuse
Really, I have never seen and experienced such a stupid county called Argentina. Hight f stupidity. I did business with this country. they are really stupid or pretend to be, really they don't know what is going on in the other part of the world. My brother calls , these countries the third world.
62 Clyde15 (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:56 am Report abuse
I was talking with my neighbour a few minutes ago and he mentioned this “letter” from CFK that had been talked about on the BBC.. He is ex RN and without any prompting from me his attitude was ---“These B'@STAR@DS are at it again. We were too soft with them last time. The arrogant jumped up prats need a real good kicking”
This is from a man I have never seen losing his temper in the 40 years I have known him. I can only assume that as an average “Joe” his feelings will be manifest through the UK population.
I can feel the ranks closing and forming a square.
You have got it wrong again Mrs K.
63 ElaineB (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:57 am Report abuse
It is the CFKC government doing the damage to Argentina. As a rule Argentines are a friendly, hospitable bunch just trying to get on with their lives whilst living in a chaotic country.

The moment Nestor died and CFKC was unleashed, the writing was on the wall. The woman is crazy. She dismissed every single intelligent advisor, installed her failed son as her main advisor and a bunch of inexperienced sycophants in key positions. No wonder she falls flat on her face at every move.

Think about it, who on earth told her that letter was a good idea?
64 Viscount Falkland (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 11:07 am Report abuse
Advertisements... contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper. Thomas Jefferson ..........FCK has even damaged that truth !
65 jeffski (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 11:14 am Report abuse
I have never seen so many comments about the islands before on all the online news websites, all united in condemnation of this silly woman's childish amateur stunt.

This is back firing spectacularly on her and on Argentina. What a embarrassment of a government.
66 Anglotino (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 11:38 am Report abuse
Obviously the person who recommended the Olympic training advert in the Falklands told her this would be a good idea.

I'm starting to wonder if this “advisor” is an MI6 agent because Britain is slowly winning this propaganda war by default.
67 gustbury (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 11:58 am Report abuse
Another aniversary of Britanic usurpation, that's the truth!!
Islanders can be whatever they want but the land is Argentina!! Greetings
68 ElaineB (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 12:01 pm Report abuse
@67 Yeah but you know really that the land is not part of Argentina. Not really. Not in actually reality.
69 Lord Ton (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
The land has never belonged to Argentina. It does do so today. It will never belong to Argentina !
70 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 12:15 pm Report abuse
methinks KFC is good at trolling IRL.

I'll give her credit for that (presumably hector 'usa citizen' timmerman is behind all this anyways, from his apartment in NYC).
71 Anbar (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
“How too shoot yourself in the foot” by CFK.

1) Print an advertisement in a national newspaper that is based on “facts” that anybody with 30 seconds can check online and find are entirely bogus.
2) One week say that “we only want to talk” then the next week say “You MUST hand the islands back”.

idiot, naive, desperate

(just like her sock-puppet supporters on this forum)

Best wishes to all Argentines who long for a real, legitimate political party and politician to lead them into the 20th century. (not a typo).
72 Orbit (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
CFK is a one trick pony, and as ever the trick is poorly executed, fails miserably and is quite, quite dull.
73 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
For those who are interested MLA Dick Sawle will be doing a live interview with Radio 5 Live (UK radio) at 1pm UK time to discuss this.
74 reality check (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 12:32 pm Report abuse

Cheers I'll tune in.
75 gustbury (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 12:37 pm Report abuse
Islanders are parasites living at the expense of Argentine resources!!
Islanders without Argentina would not be anything,should be more grateful f--- okupas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
76 Tabutos (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 12:48 pm Report abuse
75 argentina are parasites living at the expense of Worlds resources!!Argentina without would would not be anything,should be more grateful f--- okupas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
77 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 12:53 pm Report abuse
@75 gustbury

That is bordering on comic genius ... when you consider that Argentina is the most defaulted nation ever in the history of this planet and that every man woman and child of the rest of the world subsidises Argentina's impotent and utterly banal belief in its own greatness :-)
78 Raven (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 12:57 pm Report abuse
Ta Foxtrot, I'll be having a listen too.

@ gustbury
Have you got anything to do with writing CFK's letter? It is just that you spout as much crap as she does.
79 reality check (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 12:59 pm Report abuse
I blame DC for this, he was warned not to send KFC those Anniversary Roses!
80 jkw (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:00 pm Report abuse
As I understand the current debate on Britain's rationale for its ownership of the Falklands/Malvinas: Britain says that it never expelled Argentine citizens from the Island in 1833 because there weren't any living there; that Britain only sent an Argentine military group packing.

Without doing more than looking at the current British argument for authority over the Islands, the question needs asking: Is it necessary for a nation in claiming land that its citizens occupy that land as opposed to a military garrison? In asking that question, another question can be asked: Does the flooding of another country with your citizens make that country their country? Ah well, I suppose that there are any number of answers. But I have only one answer: that “group” with the most guns and political will to use them against a competing group will win the debate.....
81 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
'UK prime minister rebuffs Argentina over Falklands'
82 Orbit (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:05 pm Report abuse
#75 They are not Argentine resources, and never have been. Argentina has no more claim to the Falkland Island resources, than it does to the resources of any of its neighbours.

I think the Falkland Islanders would do very nicely indeed without Argentina.
83 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:13 pm Report abuse
@80 none of what you mentioned has anything to do with Britain's rationale for why it owns/owned the falklands. All you did was put together a fallacy, a simple straw-man that you then used to somehow contrive a negative judgement on the UK.

I'm not going to repeat the real rationale for the UK's presence in the Falklands, as it's tiresome to copypasta.
84 Zool (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:17 pm Report abuse
For a country so opposed to colonialism dispite its colonial roots you would think Cristina would stop the forced removal of the remaining native population of Patagonia, a violation of several UN resolutions. Cristina should also return the land Argentina “forcibly stripped” from Paraguay in an act of pure colonialism. Will Cristina also denounce her colonial claim on the South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands thousands of miles from her shores.
85 Pirate Love (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:18 pm Report abuse
2 months left and this latino circus and its claims will humiliatingly collapse, Crustina is going to have to think fast, just like chubby chavez time is quickly running out!!! thus far argentinas efforts remain but hollow words and hollow words is all they ever had! All day everyday!

SELF-DETERMINATION.....cannot be beat! ask Mr moon. :)
HAPPY 2013!!!!
86 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:19 pm Report abuse
@80 jkw

I notice that you miss the very salient point that not a single Argentine citizen was expelled from the Falklands in 1833, because Argentina didn't even exist in 1833 .. not to mention that the so-called Argentine commander of the Falklands at the time was neither Argentinian nor a citizen of the United Provinces - he was German and his deputy was British - and that the civilian members of the settlement weren't even expelled (in fact, some of the descendants of that very colony established in the name of the United Provinces are still resident in the Falklands to this day and regard themselves as British, rather than Argentine.

Even if there was substance to the 1833 argument (which there isn't) the Falklands would in fact be Uruguayan, not Argentinian.
87 Be serious (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
Obviously things can't be going too well in Argentina and old turkey neck needs to gather the faithful and distract them for a while.
Anyway the Union Jack (Flag) still flies high and proud over these our beautiful, remote and resource rich Falkland Islands. Another Happy New Year, Falkland Islanders getting richer, Argentinians getting poorer.
88 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:28 pm Report abuse
I wonder how much she spent on this guardian article, and how much she could have spent preventing native children starving to death in her own country.

Then consider the £520mil from Santa Cruz province that she moved to a personal wealth fund and the £2bil that La Campora (maximo) conveniently lost.

Then suddenly, it all makes sense (ed. no it doesn't)
89 LEPRecon (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:34 pm Report abuse
@80 jkw

Argentina didn't EXIST in 1833. The United Provinces of the River Plate sent troops to the Falklands to set up an ILLEGAL Penal Colony on BRITISH territory (since 1649), which was IMMEDIATELY protested by the British.

Then HMS Clio turned up and threw the murdering, raping, mutineering troops from British territory, in accordance WITH international law as it stood in the 19th century.

No Argentine troops were expelled in 1833 because Argentina didn't EXIST then. The UP then un-united to become Uruguay & Argentina.

See, your arguments FAIL immediately on this point.

The Argentine Republic was finally ratified in 1853 - a full 20 years AFTER the 1833 incident.

But even if Britain HAD kicked civilian Argentines off in 1833 (impossible as Argentina didn't exist at that point), after nearly 200 years the Islands belong to the inhabitants. Just like Argentina belongs to the inhabitants, even though 90% of those inhabitants STOLE that land from the indigenous population.

So the minute Argentina hands back ALL the land it stole from the native population (in other words ALL of Argentina) will be the day the Falkland Islanders will consider handing back the Islands to their native population - namely the Penguins.

By the way, how much of the Argentine taxpayers money has your government wasted on this advertisment?

In the UK, every paper and news channel are LAUGHING at your government, making fun of them, pointing out their BLATANT lies, and telling everyone how your President is insane, unstable and DESPERATE to divert the Argentine people's attention away from the fact that she had destroyed your economy.

Your beloved CFK is being compared to Galteiri, and it'll just be a matter of time before she's pulled from power by the decent people of Argentina.

It's time to forget the fairy tales you've been taught, and to concentrate on making Argentina a success. Your country has potential, it's just that you keeping voting in incompetent fools and theives.
90 Steveu (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:36 pm Report abuse
The letter read like a child's letter (I was going to say to “Jim'll Fix It” but that would be tasteless ;-)= )

There were no facts or meaningful concessions- just a list of demands.
91 ElaineB (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:38 pm Report abuse
CFKC has gambled everything on this lost cause.
92 yankeeboy (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
This failed PR stunt has Timmerman written all over it. He and Aguello have used this tactic to no avail in the USA. Somehow believing a poorly worded “letter to the editor” or an outright advertisement will somehow influence State, Prez or Congress.
They are terrible, sophomoric & embarrassing “diplomats”.
93 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
Argentina didn't EXIST in 1833. The United Provinces of the River Plate sent troops to the Falklands to set up an ILLEGAL Penal Colony on BRITISH territory (since 1649), which was IMMEDIATELY protested by the British.

AHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAAHA Sure 1825 treaty of commerce and uk signed it with an unexistant country....... typical brits the scum of the world...
94 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
I wonder how much she spent on this guardian article, and how much she could have spent preventing native children starving to death in her own country.

Then consider the £520mil from Santa Cruz province that she moved to a personal wealth fund and the £2bil that La Campora (maximo) conveniently lost.

Then suddenly, it all makes sense (ed. no it doesn't)
95 Viva Las Falklands (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:50 pm Report abuse
Frau Kirchner - please note April fools days is the 1st April not 3rd January.
Be assured the British are made of sterner stuff. We stood up to your fellow nazis during the blitz and we will not just allow the falkland island become part of your empire as a result of your comical letter. That sort of wording might be the norm in argentina but its just made a nation laugh here.
Back to the drawing board for your propaganda department.
96 LEPRecon (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
@35 - Dany

Just read your post. Funny. Haven't we already had this discussion about Argentina being unable to build, let alone maintain, a nuclear weapon and it's delivery method?

I believe the cost went into billions of US dollars - which Argentina doesn't have.

But rest assured that if Argentina ever did start producing weapons of mass destruction in violation of all the treaties you have signed, the UN would slap sanctions on you; and may advocate invasion of your country to remove said WMD from your unstable and unreliable form of government, before you started selling them to terrorist organisations.

But maybe that's what you secretly want. The British and the US to invade your country, remove your corrupt government and institutions, and then build up a decent system of government.

However, pigs'll fly before Argentina could afford even 1 cruise missile with a nuclear payload, and if you did get one and threatened to use it, then most of Argentina would be glowing in the dark by the end of the day, curtesy of the UN Security Council - a pre-emptive attack in self-defence.

Ah, but I forgot, you're a military genius, aren't you? I mean, you even won a game of Risk once, so you must be. JAJAJAJAJAJAJA!
97 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 01:57 pm Report abuse
I apologise unreservedly for my spamming the board by clicking the wrong combination of keys.

@92, You're not wrong. It's certainly the work of Timmerman and his pro-nazi colleagues. I presume he wrote it while idly thumbing his american passport from his apartment overlooking central park in NYC, where all his family lives.

I'm still not really sure why he's working for the Arg government, considering our recent discussions about Hitler being last seen in Argentina and the Russian skull being of a lady. I'm still not sure why Israel was providing them with weapons and expertise during the 1982 war of aggression, given that this was where all the Nazis went to spend all their cash, and Peron was a crypto-nazi.

Anyone want to explain any of this to me?
98 Conqueror (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
@4 Really? But then, the Falkland Islanders have a couple of things argieland doesn't. Like freedom and money. As far as I can make out, argies have to spend most of their money on food, because the “money” isn't worth much, and can only afford the power or energy bills because it's turned off most of the time. Bet you're looking forward to winter!
@19 Listen, mad alex, it's 2013. Could you try something different, instead of the same old tripe? For the sake of your limited intelligence, do you know that Australia, Canada and New Zealand all have Governors? And all appointed by the British Crown. Fortunately, there's no record of any of OUR Governors making off with US$100 million. Unlike one Kirchner N. And, on the subject of immigration, were any of you lot invited to travel to what is now best known as thiefland? I don't recall any historical reports of thousands of indigenous people lining the quaysides to welcome their saviours and benefactors. I do recall many reports of the indigenous people being killed, shot, hacked apart, murdered, executed, raped and so forth. Is that in your history books?
@25 Look on the bright side! CFK may take one step too far. Britain might decide to missile Buenos Aires. Or perhaps Britain will increase its air capability on the Falklands and use bombs instead! I hope you don't live in BA. If you do, I suggest you move.
@35 Go on then. Dare you! Have you started digging? It is “estimated” that you need to be at least 200 feet underground to survive a nuclear explosion. And you could expect every nuclear missile we have. As well as any others we can buy from the U.S.
@51 What sort of la-la land do you live in? Try reading the post @62. Are you not bright enough to learn the lessons of the 30s and 1982?
@67&75 Get together with Dany in your kindergarten. You can both die at the same time!
@80 Perhaps you should ask some different questions. How about: What happened in 1690, 1765, 1770?
@93 How desperate can you get?
99 LEPRecon (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
@93 - Malverino

No the UK signed it with the UNITED PROVINCES. Argentina DID NOT exist.

They are facts. The United Provinces fought among themselves and split into what would become Argentina and Uruguay. FACT.

So in 1833, Argentina DID NOT exist.

Try not to think too hard, it might hurt your brain, such as it is.
100 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:10 pm Report abuse
@99 I'm not a filthy commie, so I don't read the grauniad. Did I miss something?
101 Raven (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:12 pm Report abuse

Don't ask any Malvinista to believe facts, or they would start to realise they have been lied to for years on just about everything.
102 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:14 pm Report abuse

Sign it.... you know you need to!

Silly Daily Mail won't let me post the link on their comments page. Spread the word for this petition in any way you can. We all need to put a stop to these meger and pathetic attempts to bully the people of the Falkland Islands!
103 Conorworld (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
First of all, CFK should get her own country in order and tackle inflation and crime and other issues before she goes on some diplomatic tirade. It is simply a means of distraction away from issues she can't get control of in her own country. The last time the Argentines made such a fuss was for the same reason, a discredited Junta trying to distract its population from hardship. Look where that ended.

Argentina has no direct claim to the islands. If anything the Spanish would have more of a claim. The Argentina that declared independence 200 years ago was a nation in flux and was so for another 50 years, its borders disputed, its sovereignty not fully recognized until at least 20 years after 1812. Argentina relinquished its claim in 1850 under the Convention of Settlement.

Argentina can go on and on about UN resolutions. All they ask is for the british and Argentines to talk about sovereignty. Argentina denies the fundamental UN principle of self-determination, which overrides the substance of the UN resolutions themselves.

Furthermore completely ignoring the Falklanders is stupid and ignorant. why would they want to be part of a country that ignores them in this instance? But if Argentina was doing good economically and politically, maybe the Falklanders would like to join Argentina? We are all rational egotists. Even many N.I. Unionists 5-6 years ago looked in awe at the Republic and thought “maybe, even just the corporation tax” until things went belly up. But why would they want to join a country that has endured military coups, economic mismanagement, hyper-inflation, a country that raids people's pension reserves, over-rules contracts and ruled by a President that if she doesn't like you she will do her best to destroy you.

Cristina should shut up and spare her country international embarrassment and sort her own country out before she goes on an international diplomatic tirade
104 XAVIERV (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:22 pm Report abuse
3000 monkeys on a rock never achieve “self-determination” that just did not happen! A population decreases year by year, with their young going to study abroad and seek a broader horizon than just hunt penguins. A population in which there is no genetic diversity, which began producing mutants because they are all relatives unless they live there to bring surplus Pakistanis living in the suburbs of London and that breed like rabbits! Never will a nation .. Just forget about it .. We will be here forever and I can not say that UK do the same for you .. London eventually loosen them out and we'll be lurking here ..
105 ElaineB (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:27 pm Report abuse
I have checked across the spectrum of media and, so far, this stunt has been dismissed as nonsense from a crazy woman trying to distract from the inflation, high crime rates and anti-government rioting.
106 Raven (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:28 pm Report abuse

Is what CFK is taking on general sale or just available to Malvinistas?

I'd lay off it if I were you, it's leading to brain rot. Look what it's done to gustbury and Dany.
107 Gordo1 (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
In 1849 General Rosas(or Rozas) was Supreme Chief of the Argentine Confederation as Argentina was known at the time. In this year the Arana Southern Treaty(later ratified by both parties in 1850) was signed by representatives of the Argentine Confederation and of the United Kingdom. This treaty became known as the “Treaty of Settlement” and also the “Treaty of Perfect Friendship” as these sentiments were expressed within the body of the treaty document.
This treaty came about after the withdrawal of a trade blockade by France and Britain of the area of the River Plate - both Argentina and Uruguay were affected by the blockade. Whilst this treaty solved the problem of the blockade it also gave Argentina the opportunity to state an exception to the “Settlement” and/or “Perfect Friendship” - the matter of the Falklands/Malvinas. This exception was not mentioned in the Arana Southern Treaty and it was not until over 40 years had passed that the matter was ever mentioned again.
In the meantime Argentina had prospered through foreign investment, mainly British, and had become one of the biggest and most prosperous economies of the world. In fact, in the early twentieth century a president of Argentina stated that Argentina would have to be eternally grateful to Britain for its collaboration in the prosperity of his country.
Back to the Arana Southern Treaty - in many circles, even in Argentina, it has been accepted that this treaty ended any claim that Argentina might have over the Falkland Islands. Britain's lackadaisical treatment of the islands over the years has encouraged Argentina's nationalists to believe their own mythical and folkloric history of the archipelago.
108 thorpeman (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:35 pm Report abuse
All this from a blow in herself. Its time this Cuckoo flew back to where her people came from & gave the lands she occupies back to the native Americans who her forbears dealt with on similar lines to those of Adolf Hitler! She should stop inventing history, she doesnt have a DeLorean!
109 HansNiesund (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:43 pm Report abuse
It's also rather peculiar that a mere 17 years after the supposed outrage of expulsion and usurpation, they'd be happy to sign a treaty of perfect friendship with the perpetrator. Anybody might think the appalling outrage never really happened the way it's supposed to have.
110 Islas Malvinas (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
Let´s review the FI “self-governing” authorities.

Executive authority and head of State: Elizabeth II. British born.
Governor / Viceroy appointed by Her Majesty: Nigel Haywood. British born.

Chief Excecutive appointed by the Governor: Keith Padgett. British born.

Director of Finance: Nicola Granger. British born.
Speaker of the LA: Keith Biles. British born.

MLA Dr Barry Elsby. British born.
MLA Richard Sawle. British born.
MLA Roger Anthony Edwards: British born.

These are the “self-governing” - “Falkland Islanders” with “right to self-determination”.

The FI constitution permits the Viceroy to act against the instructions of the Executive Council, informing the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs in the United Kingdom.

”We are not a colony – our relationship with the United Kingdom is by choice”. Yes, Mr Elsby. Of course it is by choice!
111 redpoll (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
Argentina bases its flimsy claim on the Falklands in that they inherited them from thier former Spanish masters embodied in the Viceroyalty of Rio de La Plata. The last seat of that government under viceroy Francisco J. De Elia was Montevideo from where he declared the Junta (emotive word that) of Buenos Aires to be illegal. So based on Argentine logic(?) the Falklands are Uruguayan!
112 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 02:53 pm Report abuse
@110 You didn't vote for Maximo, and yet his Fourth Reich is running your country by releasing murderers from La Campora run prisons back onto the streets to do the bidding of the Front for Fail.

Apparently some bad murderers are getting out after 3 years for just saying they'll do what KFC asks.

Then you discuss the role of the Governor, a political office that exists in many places around the world. Sadly for you, the referendum discounts any of your concerns about the Governor.

Well done you.
113 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 03:22 pm Report abuse

And yet, each an every one of those 3,500 “monkeys” has an average income almost four times as high as 99.5% of the 41,000,000 mentally decrepit laughing-stocks who call themselves Argentinians.

As for you banal claims about there not being genetic diversity in the Falklands, there are ancestries from more than 60 different nations in the Falkland Islands, so the effects of inbreeding are a long way off being even close to causing the sort of feeble-mindedness that you are exhibiting.

If there were prizes for having unadulterated shit for brains, you'd be the undisputed winner.
114 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
Does the falklands have a chinese take-away? I'm yet to go there and I want to know if I can get singapore noodles after the pub crawl.
115 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 03:38 pm Report abuse
And it continues: the world's media – even the traditionally Anglophobic elements of it – are more interested in Gerard Depardieu's newly acquired Russian citizenship than they are in the La Plata Whore's latest delusional brain-fart.

Enjoy it whilst you can, Christina. This time next year you'll be hanging from a lamppost overlooking the Torre de los Ingleses - having been strung up by the people you and your husband have so systematically raped of every last remaining shred of dignity for the last decade.

Me? I'll be in my penthouse suite at the Sheraton Buenos Aires cheering every moment of it and laughing at the wild dogs defecating on the Monumento a los caídos en Malvinas.
116 Anbar (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
“”“And it continues: the world's media – even the traditionally Anglophobic elements of it – are more interested in Gerard Depardieu's newly acquired Russian citizenship than they are in the La Plata Whore's latest delusional brain-fart. ”“”

This was funny:

“”“”Miss Kirchner is a notoriously vain leader. She is long rumored to have had plastic surgery and once confessed to ‘painting myself like a door since I was 14’. So it is not hard to guess how aggrieved the ‘Botox Queen’ would have felt this weekend at the publication of opinion polls which showed her support nosediving among Argentinians.“”“””
117 yankeeboy (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 03:45 pm Report abuse
Oh for gosh sakes, another cringe worthy CFK embarrassment....

I guess she doesn't' understand how much the world is laughing at this wrenched dictator.
118 XAVIERV (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
What to expect from a race of pirates, rather than a plunder ..
119 Gordo1 (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
@109. Precisely - if the “outrage” of 1833 had been so keenly felt in Buenos Aires then the Arana Southern Treaty would not even been entertained although its principal purpose was to make amends for the trade blockade.

@111 Redpoll - Happy New Year from leafy Surrey (although no leaves presently)!

Re your comments - As Bs As claims to have “evicted” the Viceroy as part of the independence of the River Plate area they just want to ignore that the Viceroyalty continued to exist - it serves to justify their mythic claim.
120 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 03:54 pm Report abuse
@117 That video made me cry. Especially her speech at the beginning and the people trying to defuse a bomb at 1m47s.
121 malicious bloke (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 03:54 pm Report abuse
THE Guardian is to cement its commercial ties with the Argentinian government with a weekly supplement devoted to the South American nation’s taxpayer-funded marketing vacancies.

Following Argentina’s successful recapture of the Falklands using a Guardian advert, President Cristina Kirchner now hopes to recruit dozens of Buenos Aires-based customer-facing core message communicators.

She said: “I urgently require 40 marketing executives to convince the smokers of the Malvinas to give up and another 40 to go to international marketing conferences and tell them about our Stub It Out Malvinas campaign.

“We do not discriminate on the basis of age, gender, sexual orientation or whether you used to be in the SS.”
122 Anbar (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:08 pm Report abuse
“”“For example, Vice-President Marcos Paz, opening the Argentine Congress on 1 May 1866, said:” Manuel Moreno
: - The British Government has accepted the President of the Republic of Chile as arbitrator in the reclamation pending with the Argentine Republic, for damages suffered by English subjects in 1845. This question, which is the only one between us and the British nation, has not yet been settled.“”“”

just wondering if anybody knew what slight-of-hand historical-re-write the mavinistas used to counter this bit of historical fact (above)?
123 Raven (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
@117 Yankee

Thanks for that link. The video is just one more piece of nationalistic bullshit to try to cover over the fact she is ruining her country. I expect far more over the coming year.

I wonder if she will have a video of the return of the ARA Espora, with the tag line ''we finally fixed it!”
124 Iron Man (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
Meanwhile, in other news, the US is now over 7:1 with the Peso. Hope nobody got distracted by CFK while that was going on.$493
125 Islander1 (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
Good old CFK- opened her mouth yet again- and- yet again shoots her feet!!!!!! I and others here in the Ilsands are getting emails and texts from folks in UK wishing us Happy 18)th Birthday - and many many more to come!!
Thankyou Christina for yet more publicity - you really are a gem!
126 Anbar (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:24 pm Report abuse

LIsten to the Klaus Dodds interview.
127 yankeeboy (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
123. They'll probably dig out the ones Nestor was running when I lived there. Placards all over BA, newspaper adverts, TV commercials crying “

”Argentina a Serious Country”

They people are wacky.

124. I hear it's over 8/1 in Brazil...
128 reality check (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:31 pm Report abuse

How remiss of us, please accept apologies.

Happy Birthday to You
Happy Birthday to You
Happy Birthday Dear FALKLAND ISLANDS.
Happy Birthday to You.

From good friends and true,
From old friends and new,
May good luck go with you,
And happiness too.
129 Anbar (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:32 pm Report abuse
“”“Hope nobody got distracted by CFK while that was going on.”“”“”

But isnt THAT the entire point of this sort of declaration by CFK? :

Distraction from economic woes... just like the Junta in 1982?
130 Raul (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:34 pm Report abuse
Excellent note from the president of all Argentines. Bet UK colonialism and violence, and does not meet international law. Argentina commitment to dialogue (UN, OAS, CELAC, UNASUR, MERCOSUR) and international law

World public opinion and can not be fooled. As time passes and you get to know better the origin of the conflict, the cause Malvinas sum increasingly sympathies and accessions for Argentina. Even within the domestic public opinion in the UK. Just look at any news report that specializes in issues of racism, colonialism and imperialism in the 21st century.
The specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. Backs this Resolution 1514 (XV) “Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” in the sixth paragraph states that “Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations

Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner is right ”are still a crude colonial power in decline”.
Evidenced by the fact that the committee considers UN decolonization to the Falkland Islands as a colony. Of the 16 cases of colonialism in the world, 10 are for the UK they are: Anguilla, Bermuda, Gibraltar, the Falkland Islands, Cayman Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands, Monserrat Island, Pitcairn Island and St. Helena Island

Besides the UN resolutions are referred to a colony.
See 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 ( 40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination. It is a territory to colonize

Read the following link:
131 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:34 pm Report abuse
@119 Gordo1

Of course it wasn't keenly felt in either 1833 or even 1933, because the whole Malvinas claim was something dreamt up out of the blue, and slightly tongue-in-cheek, by Juan Perón (good little NAZI-sympathising fascist that he was) in 1941. Perón himself even admitted that the claim was a completely baseless one that was nothing more than a pro-German / anti-British propaganda stunt and was astonished when the British government came close to doing a deal with him in the 1970s .. a deal which ultimately came to nowt because Perón fortunately did the whole world a favour and kicked the bucket just months before pen was to be put to paper.
132 ProRG_American (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:39 pm Report abuse
Excuse me Dr Elsby, but you are a colony.
133 Alexei (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:41 pm Report abuse
The only binding UN resolution regarding the Falkland Islands was the one in 1982 which insisted Argentine illegal invaders leave the islands. Argentina ignored that resolution compelling the British to expel the armed squatters forcefully at the cost of British lives.

Today the certifiable lunatic that fronts what passes for a government in Argentina, seriously expects the British Government to negotiate under her implied threat of “give peace a chance” (or what... ?) over the heads of the Falkland Islanders. A people she constantly intimidates and uses as hostages, people that clearly want nothing to do with her and her corrupt bankrupt nation. It's not going to happen.

The UN has done nothing more, since Argentina ignored the last binding resolution, than to suggest that Britain should perhaps have a chat with the noisy hysterical woman in South America in order that botox Queen CFK might STFU.
134 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
@130 Raul

Sorry to burst your revisionist bubble, dipshit, but none of those resolutions – all of which are freely available for all to read – actually refer to the Falkland Islands as a “colony”.

As for dialogue, there is no sincere offer of dialogue when Argentina sets preconditions for the outcome of that supposed dialogue .. preconditions which I may add no UN resolution has called for. It was Argentina that broke of the constructive dialogue and it is Argentina that continues to prevent further constructive dialogue by setting the surrender of sovereignty – in direct contravention of the fundamental UN principle of self-determination – as a precondition for them entering negotiations for a lasting peace.

No amount of your inept propagandist revisionism alters the fact that there is a standing offer for Argentina to constrictive negotiations, if they will lift their insistence on a predetermined outcome.

So stick that in your ignorant racist blowhole.
135 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
@132 proArgy

“Excuse me Dr Elsby, but you are a colony.”

Dumkopf, 131 arguements to the contrary, with historical backing, and say childish remarks!


You've been naughty - go sit in the corner.
136 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
I really do wonder what Timmerman was thinking about when he had this idea in the first place? I mean... what is he actually trying to do?

All of his family basically live in the USA, he's got US citizenship, he's a politician for the Front for Fail, a peronist-blairite (socialist speeches, fascist actions) political party, and he's a dreadful diplomat and orator.

So what was the outcome of this supposed to be? It's got all the hallmarks of trolling IRL but why?

137 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:56 pm Report abuse
@130 Raul

The other thing your tragic little case of revisionism overlooks is the fact that none of those 10 territories is seeking further independence - and that territories, such as Danish Greenland and the Netherlands Antilles, which have far less independence than any of the British protectorates have , have been removed from the Special Committee on Decolonization list. The only reason the 10 British protectorates haven't been removed is purely political and because Argentina makes political objections to it. It has no more significance than that.
138 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 04:59 pm Report abuse
@137 the Takeshima Islands should be on the UN Decolonisation list, and Banksy Moon knows it.0

It's a slap in the face of 2013 that people still live all colonised on takeshima do.
139 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 05:03 pm Report abuse
@138 Shed-time

Indeed, Liancourt Rocks, aka Takeshima , is clearly a French territory ;-)
140 LEPRecon (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 05:03 pm Report abuse
I found this article on the Newsthump website. It's priceless, and so true...
141 Raven (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 05:08 pm Report abuse
@Raul and any other Malvinista.

Have you ever wondered, with your ''undoubted claim'' to the Falkland Islands, why successive Argentine governments have not gone to the UN with the ''irrefutable proof'' that the Islands are Argentine?

Could it be that the facts do not fit your Malvinista views?
142 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 05:11 pm Report abuse
@139 Yes, and it needs to be decolonised back to the French IMMEDIATELY!. They should CC Banksy moon to say that they've done it, and completely disregard the rights of the 2 people that Korea put on there in a hurry after taking the islands off japan.

@140 Does anyone read the guardian? I thought it was just perused by disgruntled commies, bored civil servants and teachers. Hmm... bored civil servants.
143 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 05:12 pm Report abuse
@141 Raven

Raul doesn't have a view. He simply posts the same illiterate and demonstrably untrue guff - cut'n'paste with exactly the same mistakes every single time - that his masters tell him to post. He doesn't have the mental capacity to form an opinion of his own.
144 Britworker (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 05:16 pm Report abuse
Dear Cristina, saying the same old thing over and over again doesn't make what you are saying right, it just means you have nothing else to say and no one is listening to you.
145 Raven (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
@140 Lep. Great link. A laugh a sentence that one!

@143 I know the Malvinistas can't think for themselves, they require all that clap trap to feed their pathetic egos. I have seen more bravado from the keyboard warriors posting on youtube videos about how they would smash the British etc etc than I care to think about. They are more full of piss and whinge than anything else. I'll just keep offering them the opportunity to explain the paradox when they start ''getting smart'' with the usual cut and paste jobs.
146 wangito (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
Same problem in many many other places...
It is as if when the first immigrants came to today's Argentina. Isn't it colonialism? Aren't those hundreds of thousands locals killed in the process the real owners of the land? Infact, it covers 100% of north and south Americas. But wait a minute. this has happend 500 years ago and the Falklands only 200 years ago!!!.
All of you guys who support the lagitimacy of the Islanders, should express a strong vote for Israel. Well at least the Argies don't want to kill all the Islanders.
147 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
@146 wangito

Actually, there is no need to support Israel as being in any way legitimate beyond the proposed 1947 partition plan borders. Unlike the Falklands, Israel's expansionism actually does illegally undermine both the territorial integrity of the Palestinian state and the UN protectorate of Jerusalem.
148 Pirate Love (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
neither Argentinas place or business to ask for the handover of another country over the heads of the people that own that country....
The Falklanders themselves!
clearly The argentine president has never had the INTERESTS of the Falkland inhabitants as of any priority at all,
what a message to send globally, that Argentina does not care for the human rights of the Falkland people as they are stopping Argentina in the expansionist crusade.

!NOBODY! can make the Falklands population bend AGAINST THEIR WILL, they will choose their future democratically and be seen to do so. Argentina has NO cards left to play, but to watch as democracy takes place :)))

Argentinas appauling behaviour towards another democracy will be written in its history as the point when argentina turned DICTOCRACY.

Does Argentina still wish to interfere with
149 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 05:33 pm Report abuse
@146 those palistinianians like being woken up at 2am to find their farm house being bull-dozed, the male members of their family crucified on the front lawn as a message to all others and the remaining few kicked into a water-less medicine-less exile while new houses are built on their family farm.

And anyone who says otherwise is quite frankly, a antisemitic Nazi!
150 Steveu (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
@147 Agreed

It is also worth pointing out that our “friends” in Israel were quite happily giving Argentina technical assistance with their Mirage fighters etc during the 1982 conflict.
151 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
Today's quiz:

Q1: What percentage of the population of Argentina are indigenous, rather than colonial implants?:

a) 0.5%
b) 1.0%
c) 1.4%

Q2: Which five ethnicities make up over 85% of the population of Argentina?

a) Italian, Spanish, French, German and Slavic
b) Italian, Spanish, French, German and Slavic
c) Italian, Spanish, French, German and Slavic
152 ProRG_American (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 05:57 pm Report abuse
Excuse me Herr Dr Barry Elsby, but you are a colony.
This is the same scoundrel that went on interview in CNN's Aristegui program along with that other import Herr Sawle and made fools of themselves before the Spanish speaking audience by lying from beginning to end. They tried to sell themselves as native islanders while everyone knows that they are imports from London on a mission given them by the Foreign Office. I guarantee you, that once they collect on their mission; they will be on the first plane out of there.
It was obvious that Carmen Aristegui noticed that they were lying, she seemed uncomfortable, but made little effort to question them. Unfortunately her hands are tied by the CNN's pro North agenda in Latin America. It’s either put on who we want or you are off the air, as she experienced with her radio show after she questioned local authorities. CNN exploits programs and their hosts outside of the USA knowing that if a program is cancelled, that there will be other puppets ready to take their place for the money.
I recorded the interview and wrote a letter to Ms. Aristegui explaining to her point by point where they had lied, attempted to evade question or deviate from matters that would have exposed their deceptions. I suggested for CNN to provide equal time by inviting a spokesperson the Argentine Embassy or Foreign Ministry on her program to explain Argentina’s position on the Malvinas matter. I have not received a response nor have I seen another of her programs discussing the matter.
This is one more example of the need to have CNN booted out of Latin America.
153 Steveu (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 06:04 pm Report abuse
@147 For more information on Israel's “act of friendship” to the UK

I don't think they will be getting my support anytime soon!
154 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
@152 ProRG_American

Well, they are demonstrably more native, and with much longer ties to the Falklands, than almost the entire population of Argentina are. And contrary to your claim that they are implants from London, they are actually far more ethnically mixed than Argentina are and represent more than 60 different nations. So, according to your argument, Argentina is also a colony and should be handed back to what remains of the indigenous populations.

Good to see that you are reverting to good old South American fascism and advocating the censorship of free press. Democracy never was comfortable in South America, was it?
155 jeffski (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
@152, That's because no one but you deluded brain washed Argies gives a flying fuck about your bogus made up claim to colonise a peace loving democratic self governing democracy.

That stupid childish letter is a total embarrassment, it shows the world how classless and moronic your dear leader is, how they don't give a toss about the population of the islands. This will have a severe knock on effect for you crazy Argies, the world has now seen you for what you are, a aggressive bullying country attempting to colonise a small set of islands that wish to engage in the UN charter of self determination and remain a British oversees territory.
156 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
It is of course also worth noting that the overwhelming majority of Argentinians have no ties to Argentina prior to 1950s .. so, in other words, the overwhelming majority of Argentinians are actually less South American than most Falkland Islanders are.
157 HansNiesund (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 06:19 pm Report abuse

And once again ProRG_American shows to the world he ain't no septic tank.

I'm just wondering where BK is? Surely he wouldn't want to miss Mistress Cristina and all this forcible stripping?
158 wangito (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 06:19 pm Report abuse
@147...The partition plan was totally rejected by the ARABS!
What else do you have up your sleeve?
But make sure you learn some history before answering.
159 reality check (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 06:24 pm Report abuse
The following advertisement will appear in the BA Herald tomorrow.

A reply to the open letter from the President of Argentina from the Primeminister on United Kingdom.


CC, Gen Sec Ban Ki Moon.
United Nations Building.
New York.
160 agent999 (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
Even Cristina's grandparents were not born in Argentina !!!!
161 HansNiesund (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 06:27 pm Report abuse

And a slightly lengthier reply, in case the Troll is about :
162 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 06:28 pm Report abuse
@159 Followed by ....

A reply to the requests from Mecropress for Takeshima Do in the Sea of Japan to be added to the list of territories under the watchful gaze of the UN recolonisation and annexation committee for all the same reasons that the Falklands are still on the ridiculous list.


Signed Banksy Moon.
163 LightThink (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 06:47 pm Report abuse

Who is Jose Delgado ?
164 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
@158 wangito

Do get your facts right. It was totally rejected by the Jews who then instituted a well-documented campaign of terrorism and ethnic cleansing to drive the Palestinians out of territories well outside the proposed Jewish zones.
165 LightThink (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:00 pm Report abuse

comment 151 is yours ?

who is Jose Delgado ?
166 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:06 pm Report abuse
@165 LightThink

Yes, I know, but you should know by now that I habitually ignore your banal, irrelevant and invariably illiterate interjections.
167 LightThink (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:18 pm Report abuse

tell who is Jose Delgado everybody learn him.
168 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
is of course also worth noting that the overwhelming majority of Argentinians have no ties to Argentina prior to 1950s .. so, in other words, the overwhelming majority of Argentinians are actually less South American than most Falkland Islanders are. Who cares,uk is FINISHED anyway....The brits pirates have nothing better to do,of course with 2,6 millions unemployed in uk,lots of time for this miserable pricks brits! AHAhahahahahahah What useless scums!
169 Pirat-Hunter (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:33 pm Report abuse
This is where some Argentines like me have a different opinion then CFK, and because I know there is no peaceful way to deal with the Brits I support a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina, but I must admit CFK deals with the Brits a lot better then all other presidents before her, she manage to turn a forgotten cause into a energy power hub, and if she if she is smart enough she can even get Iran, Russia, N Korea or China to help build a nuclear defence program in exchange for some oil drilling concessions in islas Malvinas Argentina. VIVA CFK!
170 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:33 pm Report abuse
@167 LightThink

“then tell who is Jose Delgado everybody learn him”

As I said: illiterate (which is coincidentally also little more than can be said for Jose Delgado's PhD dissertation on the 'Falklands Sovereignty Problem')
171 LightThink (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:33 pm Report abuse
I am not British enemy,appreciate them.
I see their desire to migrate to Brasil/Argentina.
my advice them Brasilia more appropriate place than Argentina.
172 Conor J (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
Nuclear defence programme? Do you remember writing this?
“I could not have said it better myself, I vote for this reporter to be the next president of USA, chances are that USA considers his statements to be non patriotic, good try anyways, this is the kind of report we need to see more often in the press, keep up the good work!”

You wrote this in the Huffington post In which you agreed with a corespondent who was condemning nuclear weapons and their development. So that kind of makes you a hypocrite doesn't it, Alex Vargas?
173 LightThink (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
ok! you know well who is Dr.Jose Delgado .
be careful !
174 axel arg (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
As usuall both parts always tell just what is convenient for them, respecting historic facts, i have never believed in our official history, that's why i have investigated exhaustively about the veracity of the arguments of both parts of the conflict, in my comment 9 of an article published today here, about a brief history of the island, i explain what i think about the arguments of both parts.
Respecting this letter, c. f. k. just asks the u. k. for a negotiation, the word negotiation implicates that both parts will have to ceade in some aspects of their claims, it means that if the u. k. decides to resume the negotiations with arg. tomorrow for the sovereignty of the islands, and the islanders manifest that they want to remain under british govt., arg. won't be able to force them to accept our sovereignty only, because thats' not what is signalized by the u. n. On the other hand, the defence that the u. k. does of the right to self determination, is just hipocresy, because the malvinas-falkland cause has always considered like a special colonial situation by the u. n, beside, it has never expressed that self determination must be applied for this acuse, like it did for others colonial situations, and it has never considered the govt. from the islands as a third part. All the resolutions just ask arg. and the u. k. to find a negotiated solution. Anyway, i have always expressed also that beyond what the u. n manifests, our govt. should include the islanders, when it asks the u. k. to dialogue in order to find a negotiated solution for this conflict. C. f. k commits a big mistake, when she doens't include the islanders in the proposal for a dialogue. Actually the three parts aren't acting correctly, the problem is that the hipocresy, and the lack of intellectual honesty of many of the people who publish their comments here, won't let them see that all the parts aren't acting correctly, that's why, they will continue blaming argentina only.
175 ChrisR (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
@169 Prat-Junta
“I support a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina,” followed by:
“and if she if she is smart enough she can even get Iran, Russia, N Korea or China to help build a nuclear defence program” So what about the 100% bit?

I can see real problems here:
1) argies have not the brains, the experience and most of all the MONEY to build a nuclear programme 100% made in AG;
2) TMBOA is ONE dumb fuckwit, there is no other leader in the world as stupid as she is. That's saying something when you think of Mugabe, the N Korea idiot and Spain;
3) No-one is going to help your dumbfuck president into starting the third world war.

Sort of shits on your “idea” a little.
176 Vuggevise (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
@174 axel arg That is because only Argentina and its intransigence and insistence on a predetermined outcome for negotiations is to blame. What is equally important is that the UN has never determined that self-determination is not applicable to the Falkland Islands.

@173 LightThink Be careful of what exactly? An Argentinian assassination squad seeking to eliminate me on the direct orders of the Whore from La Plata?? :-)
177 LightThink (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 08:06 pm Report abuse
i mean when saying be careful
keep away from transmitter bulls.
178 Tim (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
Falkland Islands row: Argentina's understanding of history is 'laughable'
The Telegraph have hit the nail on the head:
179 Clyde15 (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
Maybe Madame president should take a note of history.
The Falklands referendum is on the 11th March or thereabouts.
Julius Caesar met his downfall on the Ides of March...15th.
Could history repeat itself ?
180 reality check (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
Opened the link. I liked the notepaper the letter was produced on, for some reason, it reminded me of the SMURFS!!
181 Anglotino (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
Interesting how far this news has spead and how.

Driving to work today (though who wants to work on a 41C day?) and listening to the news bulletin that the British Prime Minister had rejected giving the islands to Argentina after the Argentine President had THREATENED their return.

Yes, that is how this farce has been received. As a threat.

So this ignominous farce has become a fail on so many levels it is cringe worthy.
182 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
When, oh when are Argentines going to learn that in a negotiation you have to actually bring something to the table. You also have to have all the stakeholders at the table. Choosing to omit the people who morally, legally and ethically own the land from an Argentinian-sponsored negotiation over which they bring absolutely 'nowt' just shows how nonsensical they are.

Better to just wait, let them shoot each other, then carve up their lands between Chile, Falklands and Uruguay.
183 ProRG_American (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
I love the way that CFK is stirring the pot, rocking their boat and awakening them from their Imperial Dilissions. It is nice to send them a little reminder once in a while as to what their obligations with the World and Argentina really are. Keep it up Argentina, history, law, time and distance are on your side.
184 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
@183 you mean, you love the way KFC is spending money that should be spent preventing aboriginal Argentinian children from starving to death on yet another of her obsessive-delusions.

That's value for money. What's next? Demanding Maximo is the next ruler? *cough*
185 José Malvinero (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
Dear Sir colonialist honorable Dr Barry Elsby. If you were born in Britain chose to come to live and do business in an archipelago of 13,000 km of their country to settle a disputed territory, you ARE a colonialist. If you say that the United Nations Charter recognizes the right of people to self-determination as you in this way, are you saying that the Charter guarantees the right to colonialism. Excellent, very precious thing.
Maybe he is doing very well with his sidekick malvineras, another native of Britain, Dick Sawle, the English fisherman.
186 ProRG_American (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
184 Shed-time (#)
No one is starving aboriginal children in Argentina. That is all nonsence invented by the pro “free market” opposition. The lives of native peoles have improved considerably under all recent Governments in South America.

MAximo? No, Scioli will be the next “ruler”.
187 ChrisR (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
@183 ProRG_Pillock

What is a 'Dilissions'?

'Keep it up Argentina, history, law, time and distance are (SIC) on your side.'

FFS, history! Which history would this be? One of the 'Dilissions' histories, perchance? AND 'law' you bunch of argies DON'T have any law: it's what TMBOA says it is! Time: if you knew how you would even BEND this (there is a joke there if you understand astrophysics - OH, you don't do you?). Distance: would this be the distance TMBOA is going to put between her and you dumbfucks when she thinks she had better get out with her loot before they string her up?

Ha, ha, ha, or in your language ja, ja, ja.
188 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
@184 Well, I can simply use your favourite news agency (PressTV) that you and your friends love (it's Iranian) to show you some nice argentinians eating out of bins because they have no food. Poverty rate is now at 22%, people are starving and she's spending money on her nazi expansionist nonsense and offshoring your cash.

Well done KFC. Roll on Maximo (pun intended)

189 Trunce (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
And tomorrows non news will be something completely different, but not quite so banal or irrelevant.

But thanks for the advertising revenue, the Indy and Guardian will be surely appreciative.
190 ProRG_American (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
I love the way that CFK has stirred emotions and nonsensical reaction from Brit turnips. A few ulcers, feelings on helplessnes, and rubbing their noses in heir own Doo Doo, resulting from to the barage of facts coming from CFK. CFK and Argentina is right on target in the truth information war.
The bug has been inserted into the system my dear lads. Soon more debate by sane Brit public questioning their Government policy. Keep going CFK, don't give up now.
191 José Malvinero (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
Cristina was wrong in sending the letter to Cameron, had to send it to the queen as this David is a puppet of the crown.
192 ProRG_American (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
191 José Malvinero (#)
“Cristina was wrong in sending the letter to Cameron, had to send it to the queen as this David is a puppet of the crown.”
Good point Jose.
193 HansNiesund (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:01 pm Report abuse

Indeed, it's noteworthy that CFK chose top place the ad in the two newspapers which had previously published articles critical of the British position.

But if as you suggest the plan was to provoke more such articles, it has backfired in a manner that only true Malvinistas can achieve. For while some people have indeed questioned policy on purely pragmatic grounds, few people have ever actually looked into the Argentine claim itself.

But now it is all over the media, and you are right that loads of people in the UK are indeed undergoing 'feelings of helplessnes' They are helpless with laughter at the comic absurdity of the claim, and your President for trying to put it across in this manner.

But I guess she doesn't have a lot of choice, ever since they've put herself, Timerman, and Sra Castro on the spam filter at Number 10.

Your english is slipping again, by the way. It always does when you get over-excited. Try a laxative.
194 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:04 pm Report abuse
Cristina didn't send the letter to David Cameron, you sent it to the Guardian newspaper, which (if she had half a brain) she would know is a left-wing paper not read by any self-respecting Conservative (let alone the prime minister).

However, Cretina is welcome to send a similar letter to the Queen if she wishes, and will get an identical response.

There is no historical Argentine claim to the islands
There was never a civilian population evicted from the islands
The British claim to the islands didn't disrupt anyone's “territorial integrity”
The right of the current islanders to determine their own fate is paramount

End of Story to watch you wishing it wasnt.
195 reality check (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
Good point. Guardian circulation 206.000. If she had addresses it to HM, more people would probably have read it!!!
196 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:19 pm Report abuse
Dear Ban KI Moon

I have read with interest the letter cc'd to you from Frau Kirchener.

I would like to take this opportunity to claim the Republic of Argentina as my own, and end the outrageous colonial occupation of the land by the Latino inhabitants.

I have no moral, legal, historical or geographical right to the Republic of Argentina, but will happily make up some shit if it will help.

I plan to return the 40 million inhabitants of Argentina (against their will) to their countries of origin, even those who's families have been there for 150 years or more, and populate “Monkeymagic Land” with a few folks I know.

Please assist me in ending this disgusting colonial stain in the South Atlantic, and returning the Argentine (Monkeymagic Land ) back to me.

All the Best


Could you break off from any valuable work in Syria or other hotspots where torture, rape and murder are occurring to look into my claim.

197 Trunce (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
The letter was fiendishly targeted to the liberalistic 'cum ba ya' section of society, who would, if having their way would now be conversing in German. Fortunately, they are now generally more concerned with fluffy environmental issues.
198 Tim (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:32 pm Report abuse
186 ProRG_American . I thought your posting was “tongue in cheek” till I saw further postings of yours. Where do you live? You are completely out of touch with the reality of this country.
199 Pirat-Hunter (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:33 pm Report abuse
#172 I don't know whom or what you are talking about, I don't remember ever posting that but some stalkers, child molesters and perverts go through a lot of accounts hacking to discredit me.
#174 if the Brits want to remein Brits they will have to go back to Britain like the Romanian gypsy's who use to live in UK. Pari passu BS.
#175 OK then don't help ignore me in UK, but in Argentina I support a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina to end the illegal occupation by British illegal aliens. The 100% bit is negotiable while under the British occupation.
#178 go to this site for a little history lesson.
#179 does coca cola have a referendum?
#182 a good nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina can bring UK to the table tomorrow and we can offer pease after the end of the illegal occupation.
#183 you got to love CFK that's why she was elected in Argentina.
#184 ho wow a Brits telling slaves how to care for natives. Lol what has the world come to. Lol too funny, I think you are an excellent british comedian.
#186 the austerity measures in UK are having the desired effect on you.
#188 o well some leaders pay for nukes to arm a corporate colony while keeping austerity for their country men, I know how much that must hurt, ignorance really is a bliss.
#191 you are right we all know who carries the pants in UK.
#40 not different then using a corporate colony to name the British people illegally occupying Islands Malvinas Argentina and calling themselves natives. What ever happened with the Pari passu BS? You britards re a joke, I imagine anyone with a little history of UK would send you all back home for a change and do justice with colonists and illegal aliens.
I find it silly that islas Malvinas Argentina would have the name of a British corporation or that the people themselves will cling to the name of a royal firm.
200 Domingo (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:41 pm Report abuse
@130 Raul. The principle of self-determination does apply to the Question of the Falkland Islands/Malvinas because the Islanders were subject to rule by British colonial government & thus listed as a UN Non-Self-Governing Territory under UN Charter Chapter XI Article 73 entitled Declaration regarding Non-Self-Governing Territories

Strictly, the UN Charter issue is not a question of sovereignty, rather a question of removing colonial rule from the Islanders through the process of self-determination

Specifically both Argentina & Britain must support this change under UN treaty obligation; furthermore Argentina is obligated to support the British implementation of Article 73 via Resolution 1514 as Argentina voted for 1514 & is a UN Treaty signatory. In accordance with this Declaration the British government as the Administrating Country must develop self-government by transfer of all powers to the people of the Islands & the British government must report annually to the UN Special Committee on Decolonization who's terms of reference are defined in resolution 1654 as to examine the application of the Declaration, to make suggestions & recommendations on the progress & extent of the implementation of the Declaration, & to report to the General Assembly

With respect to the question of territorial integrity, the effect of the UN Charter is not retrospective & does not apply to disputes before 24 October 1945. In terms of the UN Treaty, Resolution 1514 protects British interests as Great Britain exercised sovereignty on the Falkland Islands/Malvinas at its inception & 1514 protects Britain from the self-determination of the Islanders if it would disrupt British territorial integrity & national unity

Only the existence of a sovereignty dispute was noted in resolution 2065 & both Argentine & British governments were invited to find a peaceful solution by the UN General Assembly; Argentina chose war in 1982 & resolutions 1514/2065 have remained unresolved because of this
201 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 11:00 pm Report abuse
Let me see, let me see.............

KFC / TMBOA / Ol' Turkey Neck / The Harpy makes a complete and utter fool of herself ( again )

Makes Argentina the laughing stock of the UN ( again )

All the La Campora Trolls on here are desperately, DESPERATELY trying to kid everyone ( and themselves ) that she has done the right thing ( again )

aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!! The more things change, the more they stay the same.

The only thing missing from this story is BK foaming at the mouth while “working himself in a lather” over “his Queen”
202 Pete Bog (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 11:21 pm Report abuse
“These are the “self-governing” - “Falkland Islanders” with “right to self-determination”.”

Tell me where MLA Ian Hansen was born then?

Then if you have the brains to find that out , are you going to say that the first' Hansen' to live on the Falklands was transplanted from Great Britain?

And your post conviniently leaves out the FI MLA's who were born on the Islands doesn't it?
203 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
No the UK signed it with the UNITED PROVINCES. Argentina DID NOT exist.

They are facts. The United Provinces fought among themselves and split into what would become Argentina and Uruguay. FACT.

leprecon,you are a LIAR!!Typical brits piracy!
204 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 11:43 pm Report abuse
“Her latest Falklands rant is an act of pathetic desperation that merely underscores the futility of her cause”

Well done madam President, well done........... and if that wasn't enough, what about this one? just to cap it off..............

Needless to say, Kirchner’s letter is stuffed full of falsehoods, and has no regard for reality

Now, crawl back under your rock will you?
205 Pete Bog (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 12:07 am Report abuse
“good nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina can bring UK to the table tomorrow”

You're saying that Argentina is going to have nukes ready in a day?

Wow, that's quick work.
206 Raven (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 12:42 am Report abuse

PH learnt how to make them (or something that looks like them) by watching Blue Peter.

He fully armed with 10 loo rolls, sticky back plastic and some washing up liquid bottles.
207 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 01:32 am Report abuse
You're saying that Argentina is going to have nukes ready in a day?

Wow, that's quick work. Argentina had been working for a long time... pete..
208 Domingo (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 02:47 am Report abuse
One might think it would be sensible in reply to the Argentine open letter to point out that Britain and Argentina did actually start peaceful negotiations on solving the problem of Argentina's sovereignty dispute in compliance with UN GA resolutions, but these negotiations were terminated by Argentina (not Britain) in 1982, principally because Argentina refused to abide by the requirements of resolution 2065 to bear in mind:

1. the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations
2. General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV)
3. the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas);

Argentina then chose to initiate hostilities through its illegal invasion and occupation of the Falkland Islands/Malvinas instead of peaceful negotiation to resolve its sovereignty dispute with Britain in direct breach of the UN Charter and its Treaty obligations to maintain international peace and security. Furthermore then Argentina reinforced its invasion force in direct breach of the binding UN Security Council Resolution 502 which demanded an immediate cessation of hostilities and an immediate withdraw of Argentine armed forces from the Falkland Islands/Malvinas.

As a result of these Argentine hostile actions, Britain invoked its UN Charter right to self-defense from Argentine military aggression under Article 51 of the UN Treaty and subsequently defeated the Argentine invasion force to regain British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands/Malvinas under the international law following the prevailing principle of Uti Possidetis, that the Falkland Islands territories & properties remained with Britain at the end of the conflict because they were the victor and there was no other agreed peace treaty provisions

Argentina instigated hostilities & is guilty of the failure of peaceful negotiations in accordance with the UN resolutions

The reason the Falkland Islanders refuse further negotiation with Argentina is because of the injury done to them by Argentina
209 Forgetit87 (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 03:34 am Report abuse
Your country is in shambles due to a recession and poor the handling of it, and still you pass the whole day discussing a subject and regurgitating arguments that have been posted 100 times before? Have some shame, Britards. Whether the UK retains the FI, or not, will not affect the lives of most of you. If you nonetheless feel that you have a patriotic duty to defend Britain's interests, try something more productive, for it's not the FI that will save Britain from itself.
210 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 04:43 am Report abuse
@209 forget wit

Lets try this again, shall we:

Your country is in shambles due to a recession and poor the handling of it, and still you pass the whole day discussing a subject and regurgitating arguments that have been posted 100 times before? Have some shame, ARGtards.
Whether the UK retains the FI, or not, will not affect the lives of most of you. If you nonetheless feel that you have a patriotic duty to defend ARGENTINA's interests, try something more productive, for it's not the FI that will save Argieland from itself.

There!! Fixed it for you!

“Did you see what I did there?”
211 Frank (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 05:02 am Report abuse
I see The Sun has placed a letter / advertisement in the BA Heraldas a response.

And an RG response
'Argentine journalist Celina Andreassi agreed and says the Sun's advert was quite provocative.
Asked on BBC radio 5 Live what the reaction would be in Argentina, she said: “Probably anger,” ”

Well that has worked then....Too funny for words.......
212 downunder (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 05:17 am Report abuse
I trust that the Argentine Government paid for the President's letter in 'The Guardian' with hard currency. I wonder if they needed to take out a loan ?
213 DanyBerger (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 05:42 am Report abuse

As always you are absolutely wrong...

1-Argentina spends billions of dollars in useless organisations like IMF and WB that cost to the country more than 4 billion dollars. Also is member of hundred of useless institutions good for nothing like OAS puppets of US agenda.

So I guess that some 10 billions at year can be saved and well invested to have a nuclear cutting edge defence program able to blow up any country in the world just in case.

Pakistan has nuclear weapons and cruiser missiles and the country has a GDP of $206.9 billion nominal in US dollar while Argentina has a 500bn nominal.
Money is not a problem...

2-While a country like UK has to spend billions of US dollars to keep nukes in place because relays on US tech for Argentina is not the case. Because all weapons will be made in Argentina and Argentina already has all installations, Uranium and infrastructure to build nuclear weapons as she wish since long time ago.

3- Treaties are not a problem you can always pull out of them and what country is going to take sanction on Argentina? Spain? UK? US? Japan? Please tell me because I would like to have a good laugh...

Who cares mate? They always are trying to put sanctions on Argentina and?

Russia and China will be more than happy to see a country like Argentina having nuclear weapons because will break US hegemony in the region.

4-“The British and the US to invade your country”

You idiot need to have a carrier first and some working planes do you remember?

I guess that will be easy to convince the Americans to invade UK than Argentina because in a week US and UK will have Chinese and Russian nukes flying to North.

US could not even take over little Cuba in the past. What make you think that Argentina is going to be much easy are you idiot or what?
214 Anglotino (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 06:52 am Report abuse
Oh DanyBerger thanks for the laugh. Your writing does seem familiar but that really doesn't detract for the delusion you live under. It your head it is all so simple. You have to wonder why it hasn't happened.

So after repudiating all your treaties and withdrawing from all outside or foreign contact, you somehow imagine that Argentina's nominal GDP will remain unchanged and you will still purchase all the technology and uranium you want (note, my country has 1/3 of the world's uranium).

And then for some reason you assume that Russia and China will come to Argentina's rescue when it is in trouble? Why would they when you are an isolated autarky. Russia and China hardly charged to Libya or Syria's aid.

Go ahead build your bombs. Not sure where you'll find the money as Argentina is already broke. I guess Brazil will build theirs then. Chile will probably get paranoid and get US and UK help to build theirs. And Britain will park a few on the Islands too.

Who is militarising the South Atlantic now?

No wonder the Argentine government thought running this advert was a good idea.
215 Gordo1 (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 06:53 am Report abuse
Dany Berger - why don't you start posting mature adult comments instead of the juvenile drivel of an uneducated teenager?
216 jeffski (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 07:31 am Report abuse
217 Lord Ton (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 09:05 am Report abuse

Like it :-)
218 DanyBerger (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 09:23 am Report abuse
@ Anglotino

1-People don’t go to school in Canada anymore or is just you?
“will still purchase all the technology and uranium you want (note, my country has 1/3 of the world's uranium).”

Who told you that Argentina has to buy Uranium from you having vast deposits and several mines at home?

Argentina uranium mines:
Don Otto
La Salada
Cerro Solo

2-What technology are you talking about? Come on tell me...

3- UK helping who?

Little shitty Britain cannot build a rocket to lunch an apple to sky and less can help others to build ballistics missiles.

4- The Russian for your information already offered arms and all kind of support to Argentina even in 1982 that was refused by the military junta because they were puppets of US an anti communist.

5- If UK put Nukes in the islands that will be a death sentence for the islanders.
Who plays with fire in the long run gets burned...

@ Gordo1

To post for educated adults you have to find them first?

Sorry but you are not one of them.

BTW do you want a kebab or a new pair of pyjamas for your birthday mate?


Typical Angola-Saxson ignorance and monolingual disgrace...

The idiots posted an ad for Spanish audience in an Argentine newspaper in English for foreigner readers that none reads.

That would be the same if Cristina would post her letter to Cameron in “La Española from London” and in Spanish.

Can someone be so stupid???
219 andy65 (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 09:44 am Report abuse
@DanyBerger Dear DirtyDickberger if you read the article you are refering to you will notice the ad was placed in Spanish and English,your lover SS Hirler Kristina Kirchner Peron took the cheap basi option when placing her ad and just made it in English (asshole)

The headlines rightly says

Widespread criticism of CFK letter

Can someone be so stupid??? yes you dirtydannyberger

DESPERATE ACTIONS BY A DESPERATE TYRANT Lets hope for your sake Berger she doesn't start the death flights anytime soon XXXXXXX
220 jeffski (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 10:17 am Report abuse
@Dandy-bugger.... As Andy rightly states the ad was in both the queens English and in colonial Spanish.

Your dear is a total embarrassment, her letter is riddled with errors and blatant lies, the whole world will now see that a nation of over 40 million is trying to subdue and bully a small nation of 3000 into handing over their homes and their livelihoods in a blatant attempt at 21st century colonialism.

It is absurd for her to mention in her deluded manner many times the word colonise in that pathetic letter when in fact it is Argentina that is attempting to colonise!!!

It is only because the UK has service personnel stationed on the islands that has stopped the crazy bitch from attempting a re-invasion. If she is foolish enough to ever attempt it again she will have the blood of many Argentines on her hands.

I pray to god she is not as stupid as she makes out, the last thing we need is another senseless war.
221 ChrisR (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 10:53 am Report abuse
What's the betting that BsAs Herald will be attacked by TMBOA using the media 'law' for publishing the letter?
222 malen (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 11:04 am Report abuse
Arg colonise..............who says Britain that has a history of 500 and more years of colonisation of other territories because they live in a tiny square mile land???
Arg has been a colony and then got independence. Facts talk for themselves
223 reality check (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 11:19 am Report abuse

Wiki again, try using it sometime.

Britain developed and launched several space rockets, as well as developing space planes. During this period, the launcher programmes were administered in succession by the Ministry of Supply, the Ministry of Aviation, the Ministry of Technology and the Department of Trade and Industry.

Development of a British launch system to carry a nuclear device took place from 1950 onwards.

Rockets were tested on the Isle of Wight and both tested and launched from Woomera in South Australia. These included the Black Knight and Blue Streak rockets.

A major satellite launch vehicle was proposed in 1957 based on Blue Streak and Black Knight technology. This was named Black Prince, but the project was cancelled in 1960 due to lack of funding. Blue Streak rockets continued to be launched as the first stage of the European Europa carrier rocket until Europa's cancellation in 1972.

The smaller Black Arrow launcher was developed from Black Knight and was first launched in 1969 from Woomera. In 1971, the last Black Arrow (R3) launched Prospero X-3, the only British satellite to be launched using an all-British rocket.

Shitty little Britian was doing this 60, that's right 60 years ago.

Your knowledge of our history is only surpassed by your knowledge of the Falkland Island History.

Look up the word ignorant, it has several meanings, which would seem to apply to you!!!!!!!!!!
224 GeoffWard2 (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 11:22 am Report abuse
I think that Presidenta Kirchner should be shaken by the hand by the British Ambassador in Argentina, for the President has done a great job with her unsigned 'letter' in the advertisments she paid for.

She has primed world interest in the outcomes of the forthcoming Falkland Islands Referendum.

Now it will (might .. mustn't pre-judge things) be published around the world that the Falkland Islands are a self-determining British Protectorate.

The world will have it re-inforced in its collective consciousness that to be protected by the British really means something, and that the British WILL fight for those under its protection.

She has allowed interested parties around the world to find out that the Falkland Islands were British well before Argentina even existed.

225 reality check (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 11:37 am Report abuse
225 Geoff

Agree and what's more, thanks the the new age of computors and the internet, they can find out the TRUTH for themselfs and not the RG distorted version of it!!
226 Viva Las Falklands (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 12:10 pm Report abuse
Stick that up your Junta Frau Kirchner.
Places an advert in a Uk paper than claims its provocative when the reverse is done.
As Corporal Jones said “ they don't like it up'em”
227 Clyde15 (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
”As always you are absolutely wrong...
Little shitty Britain cannot build a rocket to lunch- (seems a rather long way to go for something to eat) - an apple to sky and less can help others to build ballistics missiles. ”
How about the Black Arrow R3 satellite launcher which put the Prospero satellite into orbit in 28/10/71. Entirely UK designed and built.
The satellite is still in orbit.
You beat me to it here but maybe DB is right. I remember as a child reading comics that said that the 4th Reich would rise again in S.America where the Nazis had escaped to. They were producing atomic powered aircraft etc etc and would rule the world. Dany Berger sounds German , so it must be true.
We should quake in our boots at the mighty technological superpower that is Argentina. They even managed to get a broken-down warship back to sea -with German help !

Why should the UK spend time and money on what are in effect, giant fireworks. Cutting edge research is what is needed. An example being :-
Argentina's reply, the mighty Pampas attack aircraft.
What a self deluded person he is !!!
228 LEPRecon (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 12:49 pm Report abuse
@224 Geoff

You have to remember that Dany is a military genius. He must be, he told me so himself.

You see people like Dany, and PH honestly think wars are like their computer games. You have a inexhaustible amount of ammunition to shoot your enemies with, and if you get killed you just start again.

Dany once famously said on here that he would be willing to sacrifice at least 10,000 Argentine soldier's in order to invade the Falklands (which I'm sure the Argentine military is just queuing up to sacrifice their lives for Dany's hubris).

What he could not do, however, is tell everyone how he was going to get his 10,000 sacrificial lambs to the Falklands, or how he was going to supply them, or how he would CASEVAC the wounded, or what tactics he would use against the Islands, ir even what targets he would need to 'take out' etc..., because his video games don't cover 'boring' stuff like that.

I'm sure that all the Argentine military are quite relieved that Dany is a nobody without any power. He actually makes CFK look sane and reasonable by comparison.

And now he hasn't got any actual evidence to back up his so-called case, he resorts to name calling.

He's quite pathetic really, isn't he? LOL
229 reality check (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
One thing is for certain, if that crazy numpty gets his way. The current Argentine Real Estate at Darwin is going to get much bigger!

Wait a minute! maybe that is his cunning secret plan, regain sovereignty piece by piece, or should I say cemetary by cemetary. Eventually, when they occupy more than 51% there you go, Malvinas Son Arentina!

God help them if there are anymore like him at home!
230 Pete Bog (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
“Arg has been a colony and then got independence.”

Then you became a colonisers yourselves as you stole what is now Southern Argentina off the original inhabitants and colonised it.

Like you want to colonise the Falkland Islands.

Like the would-be imperialists that you are.
231 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
Then you became a colonisers yourselves as you stole what is now Southern Argentina off the original inhabitants and colonised it.
MAlvinas was part of Argentina,uk recognized Argentina in 1811....1825 treaty of Commerce and Friendship...No complain about MAlvinas by the brits
232 reality check (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
There you go again distorting history. Britian recognised the UP of TRP. You did not exist in 1811.

Christ are'nt you ashamed of a foreigner teaching you your own history!
233 andy65 (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
Klaus Dodds professor of Geopolitics at Royal Holloway University of London said,

”For much of the 19th century Argentina did one thing terribly well and that was to colonise other territories.
234 Pete Bog (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
“Then you became a colonisers yourselves as you stole what is now Southern Argentina off the original inhabitants and colonised it.”

Absolutely Correct

Then you stole that land off them, re-colonising it .

So both of our countries have been colonisers, but whilst the UK are still in the process of de-colonising the Falklands, Argentina wishes to colonise them while falsely accusing the UK of being colonists.

“uk recognized Argentina in 1811”

Britain cannnot have recognised Argentina in 1811 as Argentina did not exist until 1853.
235 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 03:15 pm Report abuse
@231 Malvinero1;

Luis Vernet went to the British Consulate in Buenosaires to seek approval before he ever went to the Islands. (think about that for a moment)
The British Consulate in Buenosaires strongly objected to any claim to any ownership of the Islands by what was yet actually to even become Argentina. You were still the united provinces of the river plate or something I believe.
236 jeffski (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
I see they are burning copies of the sun letter & union jacks in Buenos Aires. Proves how 3rd world they are. You did not see people in London burning copies of the deluded witches letter.
237 Be serious (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
236 Not surprised really, burning flags or newspaper/books is as you say typical of your average 3rd World Nation. Pleased to see that they now understand the strength of feeling in the UK .
238 Eddieposted (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 07:06 pm Report abuse
Just seen another letter sent by Kirchner to a British newspaper in which she agreed to hand over argentina back to the natives who had their land taken from them in 1580:

”Four hundred and thirty three years ago on this same date, January 3rd, in a blatant exercise of 16th century colonialism, the indigenous people were forcibly stripped of their land by the Spanish conquistadors, who travelled 14,000 km (8,700 miles) from Spain.
“The native South American Indians were expelled or systematically killed by the Spanish and Spain subsequently began a population implantation process similar to that applied to other territories under colonial rule.
”Since then, Spain, the colonial power, has up until now refused to return the territories to the original inhabitants of this land, thus preventing it from restoring its territorial integrity.
“The question of the native people is also a cause embraced by Latin America and by vast majority of peoples and governments around the world that reject colonialism.
”In 1960, the United Nations proclaimed the necessity of 'bringing to an end colonialism in all its forms and manifestations'.
“This is why, I am ashamed to be part of the colonial legacy of Spain, and I will now hand back the land that we stole from the native South Americans in the 1500s to the true holders of this land.”

Mrs Kirchner states that she will hand over the former country of Argentina in a ceremony that will last three days, then she and the remaining remnants of the former colonial Spanish state will return back to Spain in a months time.
The remaining people of Mestizo and Amerindian heritage were said to be delighted at the news.
239 you are not first (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
I see... UK is a defined territory which is the sum of a land located in the North of Europe and all the other stolen from small communities that lived in peace until pirates, slave merchants, puritans and others came to the scene. Which country support COLONIALISM besides UK and the SERVANTS from the Commonwealth ?
240 reality check (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
“Which country support COLONIALISM besides UK and the SERVANTS from the Commonwealth ?

Now that's a hard one?

Oh, yeah. How about yours!!!!!!
241 Brit Bob (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
Interesting to note that Argentina along with other pillars of democracy such as Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, China, Iran and Syria are members of the UN C24 Decolonisation Committee that want to decolonise a lot of places that are quite happy to be territories such as the US Virgin Islands, Guam and American Samoa. The mad cap regime in Buenos Aires also supports the Puerto Rico Independence party.
242 reality check (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
Thinking about it, some people have brought up a very viable point concerning the C24.

The point being, who put them on the decolonisation list and how do they get themselfs off it if they want to?

I believe I have read on hear, that some territories have approached the UN with a view to be removed and have been blocked or refused.

Perhaps some further Referenda need organising. I am of course assuming that if a territory votes in favour of the question, “Should they be removed from the list” then the UN will listen and grant their request.

After all, the UN is supposed to be a democratic body.

Then again, am I being nieve?
243 Musky (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
@242 RC
Some nice logic but the C24 have cowtowed to argentina and turned their reason d'etre through 180 degrees. It's a disgraceful committee.
244 reality check (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
True, but even that bunch of ardent sycophants would be hard pushed to ignore the result of a democraticaly held vote. If they did, I for one would be pushing for our ambassador asking some very serious questions on the floor of the GC, concerning the role of the C24 and the UN in general!
245 ProRG_American (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
Chileans stick to your own problems
246 reality check (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 10:34 pm Report abuse
We Brits like and respect the Chileans, also the Yanks, well, most of em anyways pardner!!!!!
247 ProRG_American (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 10:41 pm Report abuse
130 reality check (#)
If you respect the Chileans, and tha Yanks, there is no reason you cannot respect the Argentines. Return their islands!
248 Shed-time (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
@247 Respecting the Yanks and Chileans has nothing to do with the complete disrespect that Argentinians have for themselves. So there is a big reason.

You don't even live in Argentina because it's such a shyt-hole.
249 reality check (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 11:21 pm Report abuse
Read it again, I said most yanks, and they are not and never were their Islands and furhter more, which is more to the point, they never will be. Not unless, to use a quaint american expression, have a brain fart, and try their luck again. In which case, the result will be the same. Swift and devestatingly humiliating defeat. God! didn't you just love Ronnie RAYGUN!!!!!!!!!!
250 Conqueror (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 12:21 am Report abuse
Let's resolve this. An SAS insertion. One bullet from a sniper rifle. No more CFK. Just to be on the safe side, another 16 bullets. No more argie “government” of crooks. Then a few more selected removals. Time to turn argieland into a proper sane, civilised country. Under British rule.
251 surfer (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 01:33 am Report abuse
#250 I disagree, the longer she's in power, the better for ALL of Argentina's neighbours. The country will become so weak and poor it will stop posing a threat to anyone. Argentina will take decades to recover any semblence of influence or power, if ever.
252 redpoll (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 02:13 am Report abuse
Wow conks has really been on the juice this evening! Assasination SAS squads into Argentina? Dont make me laugh. If that was the position of the UK govt Mr Mugabe in Zimbabwe would be long gone. Ach well conks is BNP so what can you expect?
253 DanyBerger (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 08:05 am Report abuse
@reality check & ignorant idiots

1-Uk abandoned space research since long time ago and the last UK space launch was Prospero X-3 in 1971.

Son compared with Argentina an Brasil UK is 30 years backward at least.

All what you post is just old history that none cares in fact Argentina in 1949 was the first country in the world to start to develop controlled nuclear fusion in Huemul by Ronald Richter what was boycotted by US and his allies.
After 64 years of that Europe is trying to archive the same thing based on same tech.

2-After being living in Britain for more than 2 years I can tell you that is not a country quite developed in technology as Germany, Japan or US. Can be quite comparable with Brazil and Argentina. In fact Argentina is far advanced in some fields.


Of course I sound German because I’m German born so stop pretending as Scottish to be someone that have a voice in UK.

I see English from the countryside treating Scottish, Irish and Welsh just like rubbish. They call welsh sheep and Scotish the Nigger of Europe.

Of course they will never do that with a German and they don’t even do that with and Argie.

How do I know that? By my own experience in UK as a European having also an Arg. Passport I could switch countries as I like.

So if I showed my Arg passport the idiots ask me if I knew Maradona and if I showed my EU passport they say tell me sir where I do have to suck.

So Clyde15 be quite because you for me have less relevance than the Bolivian navy for Argentines. I don’t want to be racist but you know we respect more the Argies than some fellow Europeans.

Did I make myself clear or do you need more explanation about the subject?
254 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 08:30 am Report abuse
Saw your reply about PH- ALEX VARGAS, on another thread.

RCMP are sure to be aware of him, but they have real terrorists to deal with. Not worth spending the manpower to pick up a 'threat' like Alex - a shoplifter with Turettes Syndrome are low on the list of priorities.

That being said, he HAS made explicit threats to US, UK, Canadian, and Falklands military and civilians and publicly incited violence towards them, on this forum. I'm sure he has done the same elsewhere.

He has admitted on the Internet, that he is an illegal immigrant and he holds animosity towards his generous, but unwitting hosts.

Surely someone with military connections can make Canadian Immigration take more notice of him, or even CSIS? He does love to prattle on about MI6, CIA, etc. his FB site clearly shows his affiliation with groups such as Hamas, La Campora, Taliban, etc.

Actually, US Homeland Security is very interested in this kind of “homegrown terrorism” and “sleeper terrorist fanatics” originating from Canada and planning attacks in North America and the US.

I can tell you that he lives in Metro Toronto, not far from his mother, probably in the Eglinton/Bathurst area.
His FB suggests he has some employment connected with CBC News and some set building work for a Sci-FI series.
He states that he does not use credit cards - cannot get credit, or try's to stay off the grid.
He has an apartment with a girlfriend, but is near family.

Anyone out there - hope this helps.

255 agent999 (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 09:18 am Report abuse
@253 DanyBerger

As usual your post is rubbish
The UK has not abandoned space research.The UK's space sector contributes £9.1 billion a year to the UK economy and directly employs 28.900 with an average growth rate of almost 7.5%.

The rest of your post is so much rubbish it does not warrant a comment.
256 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 09:23 am Report abuse
@253 dummy dumkopf
“2-After being living in Britain for more than 2 years I can tell you that is not a country quite developed in technology as Germany, Japan or US. Can be quite comparable with Brazil and Argentina. In fact Argentina is far advanced in some fields.”

2years??? Well, you would know everything, then :-D

Sure, like you even left Argentina - ever!!

257 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 09:52 am Report abuse
@253 DanyBerger;

Why were you in the UK might I ask???????
258 agent999 (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 10:08 am Report abuse
He was on a pilgrim to the old “Führerbunker” in Berlin.
259 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 10:21 am Report abuse
I'd really like to know what he was doing living in the UK, and what if any benefits he enjoyed, or what advantages he enjoyed etc, while at the same time harbouring beligerent feelings to his host(s).
260 ChrisR (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 11:24 am Report abuse
We should remember that Dunni-Burger seems to be two posters who take a few months each under the same tag.

The present Dunni-Burger is a wanabe Blob-technology designer and said he was getting a job in a company specialising in this coming technology.

Unfortunately he overlooked the fact that I have many years experience in serious opto-electronics for use in synchronous digital telephony and I saw through his poorly thought out script. He still has no job. The last one he had was in selling high end computers and servers, so he does have knowledge of software.

He is by any measure unemployable and a fantasist: he also thinks he is an armaments expert, particularly small arms but again is delusional and way out of date. In way of deprecating me he refers to me as ChrisRambo: this amuses me greatly.

The other Danni-Burger took me by surprise in how ‘level-headed’ he was (if you can say that about a paid Malvanista). He does at least acknowledge when you have beaten him and does not push his position into the realms of idiocy as this present one does.

I miss the other Danni-Buger.
261 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 11:32 am Report abuse
I spent 4 and a half years in Germany, didn't meet any tubes like DB though.....
262 agent999 (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 12:00 pm Report abuse
Not long ago DB was an architect proclaiming the virtues of prefabricated housing and suggested the housing on the Falkland Islands was representative of those to be found a shanty town.
263 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
God forbid those islands ever becoming another odourus neighbourhood of BA.
264 downunder (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
The President of Argentina would have us believe that the political history of the Falkland Island began on the 3 rd January 1833. A look at the historical record of the Islands reveals that the history of the Islands goes back hundreds of years before that date. Falkland Sound was named by Captain John Strong in the Welfare in 1690. East Falkland was first colonized by the French in 1764. In fact the Argentine name Las Malvinas is the hispanisation of the French name Les Malouines. (So it’s not even a Spanish name!)The French colony on East Falkland upset the Spaniards because they believed that they owned all of South America (except for the parts occupied by the Portuguese) and the French were persuaded to withdraw their administration in return for a large sum of money and a Spanish governor took over.
A British colony was established at Port Egmont in West Falkland in 1766. On June 10, 1770 a Spanish force expelled the British settlers and occupied Port Egmont. This incident brought Britain, France and Spain close to war and, after a diplomatic battle, Spain agreed to restore Port Egmont to the British and it was formally handed back to Britain on September 16, 1771.
The British naval garrison was withdrawn from the Islands in 1774; however the British claim to the Islands endured. Both countries proclaimed their rights over the rest of the territory.
The Spanish garrison was withdrawn from the Falklands in 1811 and the islands were left uninhabited for many years, although they were visited at will by vessels of many nationalities. Spain took no further interest in the Islands.
In 1828 the Government of the United Provinces of La Plata granted Louis Vernet a grant of full sovereignty over East Falkland. Britain immediately protested this move and made it clear to the Argentines that they had always contested the Spanish claim to sovereignty and that they were not prepared to permit Argentina to exercise a right from Spain which Britain had denied to
265 Tim (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
264 downunder (#) You ran out of space so this will allow you to continue
266 Clyde15 (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 10:31 pm Report abuse
I researched your claim about nuclear fission - to quote:-
“Richter didn't even attain nuclear fission; according to one account, all he managed was a hydrogen burn in an electric arc, which he bombarded with lithium particles, thus causing an explosion so massive it cracked the concrete structure.”

Roederer admitted in return that it was “difficult to determine whether Richter was a clever impostor or a scientific nut.” His letter concluded with a quote from Edward Teller—a towering figure in nuclear physics if there ever was one—who had once said: “Reading one line [of Richter's] one has to think he's a genius. Reading the next line, one realizes he's crazy.”


If Argentina HAD managed to produce nuclear fission -something the USA, UK and USSR had not managed, it would have been the worlds leading nuclear power. Where are all the power stations using this technology? Hidden underground along with the rest of Nazi technology ?

Sorry to contradict you but I do have voice in the UK - by the way, you are also denegrating your ally and chum BK by calling him a nigger. I cannot be insulted by the likes of you as crypto Nazis have long had their day. I have met many Germans in the UK and abroad and we have got on fine, however, every country produces odd - balls such as you. Its pointless continuing with this are you are just a waste of space.
A friend and admirer !
267 downunder (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 06:49 am Report abuse
265 Tim. Thanks Mate!

The President of Argentina would have us believe that the political history of the Falkland Island began on the 3 rd January 1833. A look at the historical record of the Islands reveals that the history of the Islands goes back hundreds of years before that date. Over the years France, Spain and Britain struggled for control over the Islands. Britain never relinquished its sovereignty claim over the Falkland Islands.
So when in 1828 the Government of the United Provinces of La Plata granted Louis Vernet a grant of full sovereignty over East Falkland, Britain immediately protested this move and made it clear to the Argentines that they had always contested the Spanish claim to sovereignty and that they were not prepared to permit Argentina to exercise a right from Spain which Britain had denied to Spain itself.
Therefore, when , in January 1833 Britain chose to ‘exercise the right of sovereignty’ on the islands it was reasserting its rights to the Islands continuing the jurisdiction which it had exercised in the 18th century; Britain had never recognized any rights of the BA Government in the Islands and had protested Vernet’s and the subsequent commandant’s appointment. These inconvenient truths are omitted from the President’s letter and from the Argentine narrative. While the competing claims of both sides have never been thoroughly tested by international law, Argentina’s case is founded on emotion and a selected reading of the historical record. Even though their President believes otherwise, Argentina’s case fo sovereignty over the Islands is far from overwhelming.
In the year 2013 Argentine is doing exactly what it is accusing Britain of doing in 1833, engaging in a blatant exercise of 19th Century colonialism and forcibly stripping the Islands from its inhabitants
This should all be academic because over the past 180 years the Falklands have been converted into a peaceable and prosperous settlement. A large percentage of
268 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 09:27 am Report abuse
Go on Downunder.
269 downunder (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 11:58 am Report abuse
268 Thanks.
This should all be academic because over the past 180 years the Falklands have been converted into a peaceable and prosperous settlement. A large percentage of the Falkland Islanders are native born and some are descendants of the first settlers. They are the original inhabitants of the Islands and they are entitled to benefit from the principle of self determination which is enshrined within international laws. The referendum to be held this year is likely to, once again, affirm that they want no truck with Argentina.
In their desperation to mount a cogent case for sovereignty, the Argentine government has side stepped the self determination issue by simply stating that the wishes of the Islanders do not count, that there are no Falkland Islanders. This attitude defies reality and is unlikely to find much sympathy amoung proper democracies. Even the most ardent Argentine apologists will have trouble ignoring the self determination issue.
If Argentina was to get its way over the Falklands, what will become of the Islanders? They are descendants of the original inhabitants and since Argentina believes that they don’t exist, their chances will be less than average. This type of thinking strongly resembles that of the Nazi regime towards smaller weaker neighbours and minority groups during WW 2. They may think that they have international support on this issue but, when put to the test that will turn out to be another delusion.
By its words and actions, the current government of Argentina Is making the country look like a pariah state. It is up to the good people in Argentina to bring their government to book on this matter and get some common sense and humanity back into its policies on the Falklands.
270 agent999 (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 12:18 pm Report abuse
Argentinians are indoctrinated through their education to believe that the Falkland Islands belong to Argentina, the fact that the Argentinian ownership of the Falkland Islands is also enshrined in their constitution also does not help.
271 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 06:25 pm Report abuse

The only humane policy would be to leave them alone. I say that as an argentine.

I really wonder what would happen if Argentina renounced the claim and left the Falklanders alone. It would be great for me personally as that action would in paper further my larger goal of disengaging from the rest of the world, but I wonder if we would really be left alone.
272 agent999 (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
There is no chance of Argentina renouncing their claim - it is now part of your constitution.
The chance of Argentina renouncing their claim is as plausible as your view of Argentina surviving by disengaging from any interaction with the rest of the world.
273 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 06:39 pm Report abuse

Don't flatter yourself. We need nothing from you, and certainly we don't like you.

So I hope you are wrong on both fronts.
274 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 07:09 pm Report abuse
I see we are back to talking about TTT again, his favourite subject.

Argentina will NOT drop it - moving on...
275 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
271 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#)

I really wonder what would happen if Argentina renounced the claim and left the Falklanders alone. It would be great for me personally as that action would in paper further my larger goal of disengaging from the rest of the world, but I wonder if we would really be left alone.

Nobody on this Earth likes, or gives a shit towards a parasitic state like argentina.
276 Pete Bog (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
“We need nothing from you”

Can we have all our Rolls Royce ship and aero engines back then?
277 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 12:20 am Report abuse

Except you... are here. hahahaha.
278 kelperabout (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 12:43 am Report abuse
The biggest ommission in all of the Argentine Government claims to our land is that they made a deliberate choice to try and get the islands prior to that they weer so wrapped up with killing the native people the Falklands did not even come into their thinking untill the French made the mistake of selling something that actually did not belong to them either. Had this not happened we would not be in the situation we are in today because CFK and all of her under educated people think that spain gave them the Islands in their agreement of independance. Maybe it is time that someoone in that mixed up land called Argentina produced the hard Historic facts stating Spain gave the Falkland Islands. I doubt very much if a true document exists but would not surprise me to see them fake one. Also prior to the French settling at Port Louis. the British several years earlier had made it know that it was claimed for the King of England. History shows that all great nations were claimed in the exact same way. Differance here is that Argentina a young know it all thinks they can actually take any thing they want including chillean territory. So is it any wonder the world does not trust them. How many more bloody noses will they have before they finally admit they are wrong.
279 downunder (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 02:43 am Report abuse
278 kelperabout “think that spain gave them the Islands in their agreement of independance”

Spain agreed to recognise Argentine independence in 1859, but it was Argentina without the Falklands,with no explicit transfer of any rights.
which Spain may have held over the Islands.

(So when in 1828 the Government of the United Provinces of La Plata granted Louis Vernet a grant of full sovereignty over East Falkland, it was in definance of British and Spanish claims to sovereignty over the Islamds.)

When the treaty of recognition was drawn up between Spain and the new nation, Britain was mediator, so it would have been very unlikely that it would have allowed any transfer of rights or anything that could be interpretd as a challenge to British sovereignity in the islands.
280 Malvinense 1833 (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 02:53 am Report abuse
@ In another post dab says: “Spain's occupation was limited to Port Louis, which is only a small part of Soledad”.
dab, if that's your reasoning, then, how is possible that Onslow will move to Port Louis to remove the flag of Argentina?
Just in case British sovereignty was not limited to Port Egmont on a small island called Trinidad (Saunders)?
How is it then that will stay with the group of islands?
Following your reasoning then the UK is not entitled to all the islands. Britain occupation was limited to Port Egmont.
regards, dab.
281 Vuggevise (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 08:59 am Report abuse
@253 DanyBerger

You claim to have lived in the UK for more than 2 two years, yet you still can't construct even the simplest of sentences in coherent English?

As for you curious claim that Britain abandoned space research in the 1970s and is therefore 30 years behind a technological black hole like Argentina, nothing could be further from the truth .. so much so that it is actually palpable nonsense that provides concrete evidence of the staggering depth of your ignorance.

Not only has space research continued independently in the UK; but the UK – through both direct funding and indirectly as the second largest net contributor to the EU – is one of the main partners in the European Space Agency – and therefore in the Ariane rocket programme, the Hubble Space Telescope, the International Space Station and numerous space exploration vehicles – but is also one of the world's leaders in the provision of satellites and satellite technology, by far and away the largest foreign contributor of technology and technology components to NASA, a world leader in re-usable spaceplane technology, the world leader in the development of scramjet technology and the only nation with a viable air-breathing rocket engine programme.

So, with that, this continental European, who has lived many years in the UK, calls you out as a liar and a self-evident racist bullshitter who hasn't got a clue what he is talking about.
282 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 09:30 am Report abuse
@277 nostradamus;

'Except you... are here. hahahaha'

ja,ja,ja,ja, Our great grandchildren will be exchanging the same kind of communication with each other regarding these Islands, and they will still be called, by those who life there - The Falkland Islands.
283 Vuggevise (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 09:52 am Report abuse
@253 DanyBerger

As for your hilarious claims about controlled nuclear fusion: I regret to inform you that was first achieved in 1932 at Cambridge University – yes, for the benefit of a self-evident ignoramus such as yourself, that is in the UK – by a team headed up by an Australian, called Sir Mark Oliphant (who was building on the Cambridge research of Ernest Rutherford - his teacher and a Nobel Prize winning New Zealander - who is universally known as 'the father of nuclear physics').

So, the reason that no-one cares that it was first achieved, as you so ignorantly claim, in Argentina, in 1949, by Ronald Richter is that it is fantasist nonsense without even a grain of truth to it ... not to mention that the Huemul Project was an abject failure and that Richter never even achieved the nuclear fusion (controlled or otherwise) that he claimed to have achieved. Even Perón's two subsequent Argentinian technical committees arrived at that conclusion, stating not only that Richter was a complete fraud (who wasn't even in possession of the doctorate he claimed to have and that no-one in Argentina bothered to check that he had); but that he hadn't even come close to achieving nuclear fusion (17 years after it had first been achieved in Cambridge) and that his contribution to physics in Argentina had been negative, as well as a hugely damaging and a massively expensive failure.

Far from being something to boast about, the Huemul Project stands as evidence to the astonishing gullibility of Perón and the Argentinian nation that funded the vanity project of a runaway Nazi scumbag .. not to mention your own pig-ignorance, if even now, over 60 years later, you still think that an abject failure like the Huemul Project is something to boast about in order to make Argentina look like a technologically advanced nation.

On the bright side, cruel as it is to laugh at the afflicted, you do make me laugh.
284 ChrisR (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
283 Vuggevise

This particular incarnation of Dunni-Burger as I refer to them (for it seems there are two who use the same tag) is the self-proclaimed ‘military expert’. I think he once fired one of their dreadful fully automatic versions of the FN FAL in 7.62 x 51 (which ruined it as nobody can hit anything with them).

He really is funny, and manages to balls up everything he references, but heh, it gives us a laugh.
285 Vuggevise (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 02:24 pm Report abuse
@284 ChrisR

I think 'dunny' - as in 'dunny can', or the Australian slang for a toilet - would be more appropriate for little friend the Dunny Turder :-)
286 Simon68 (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
283 Vuggevise (#)
Jan 07th, 2013 - 09:52 am

I cannot help sticking an oar in on the Richter thing, even if it is totally off subject!!

The one good thing that spun off the Huemul Project is that the Balseiro Institute was located in San Carlos de Bariloche in what is now Río Negro Province. Río Negro had an exceptionally sensible Minister of Technology a few years ago, who put up money and land for the creation of INVAP, an offshoot of the Balseiro Institute, which is a high-tech company making nuckear reactors, satelites, etc.

So in a way one could say that the Proyecto Huemul was a success in a sort of second (or third) hand way!!!!!!!!
287 Vuggevise (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 05:45 pm Report abuse
@286 Simon68

Oh, I didn't say that nothing good came out of it. The humiliation suffered by the fascist filth that was Juan and Eva Perón - whose pet project it was - stands testament to the fact that something very good indeed came out of Huemul Project.

It just doesn't stand up very well to the boastful use that 'Dunny the Turd-Burglar' was trying to make of it :-)
288 Remember1982 (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
When is Argentina going to give back the land it stole from the natives?

The Mapuche want their country back!!!!!
289 Pirat-Hunter (#) Jan 08th, 2013 - 02:01 am Report abuse
#288 When the British give back the land to the north American natives and mexicans that's when.
Mapuches are from Chille sorry try again. I am sure mapuches would love Islas Malvinas Argentina native reserves.
290 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 08th, 2013 - 03:25 am Report abuse
Obviously, you are just trying to annoy people on here.

You are clueless - there were no indigenous people on the Falkland Islands.

Perhaps you murdered all the Indians on your Malvinas, though ??
291 Clyde15 (#) Jan 08th, 2013 - 10:42 am Report abuse
How can the British give back land to which they do not and never had title.
The Spanish stole Mexico - with a Spanish name like Vargas don't YOU feel ashamed of what your blood line did?

Try getting your facts right - probably an impossibility in your case.
From WiKi - quote
Today, many Mapuche and Mapuche communities are engaged in the so-called Mapuche conflict over land and indigenous rights both in Argentina and in Chile.
292 Tim (#) Jan 08th, 2013 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
290 Troy Tempest (#) The only aborigine tribes (Tehuelche and Charrua) on the islands were imported for the hide trade by Vernet and later by Sammy Fisher Lafone. They also brought in some Criollos who were real trouble makers (such as Rivero).

Jumping to something else, the Bitch is now renting a long range Bombardier from a British company for her upcoming Asian tour. Too darned scared that Tango 01 (a 757 ER with 2,000 miles less range than the Bombardier) will be impounded
293 kelperabout (#) Jan 08th, 2013 - 06:26 pm Report abuse
Rather Ignorant to sugest Britain Stole the Falkland from Argentina when Britain owned them before Argentina ever existed. Still we are used to Argentina distorting the truth. It is about time the world started telling the Argentines how it really is. The Falklands have never been Argentine and never will be so long as the people who live there say so.
The Islanders will pump the oil no matter what .
Argentina is so good at throwing tantrums, Pity she was a bit better at looking after her starving people.
Was it really nescessary to kill the indigenous people to get the land. It is clear to the Islanders why they did. Just to control the whole of the Eastern South Atlantic region and the Falklands is the only land left to complete their control and they know it.
Even Chile has a terrible time trying to work with the Islanders because Argentina stole Terra Del Feuga from them to ensure they had such control over them as well.
The Falklands our not up for grabs and it hurts them like hell because they thought these little Islands would be a push over but we have a very loyal British people that will defend our rights to determine our own future.
294 Anglotino (#) Jan 09th, 2013 - 12:34 pm Report abuse
Had anyone read the article that Pirat-Hunter keeps pasting? (Comments 169, 199 and 289)

If you are looking for a good laugh then I highly recommend it. Just in case you missed it:

The gist of the article is:
* Argentina is weak and keeps complaining but no one listens
* Britain is very strong both militarily and economically and can afford to ignore Argentina
* Argentina is effectively broke and can't upgrade its military though it relies on importing arms from Britain
*Britain is so rich it can afford to keep upgrading its military and is unassailable by any regional powers in this area.

Now I'm not sure why Pirat-Hunter keeps posting this link considering how devastating it is regarding Argentina's military weakness.

It also accuses Argentina of not taking the case to the ICJ. Which is the same thing asked by many Falkland Islanders and Britons on here.

But the best quote was this:
“Argentina’s claim to sovereignty has yet to be formally recognised”

I'm laughing so hard be sure Pirat-Hinter is continually pasting an article that admits Argentina doesn't have sovereignty over the islands.

Oh and the best part? Pirat-Hunter can't reply to this post or even comment on what I have written because he doesn't talk or reply to homosexuals. Can't have him reading the rantings of a gay man now can we.
295 redpoll (#) Jan 09th, 2013 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
Senhor Vargas Why dont you bugger off to a country more amenable to you and your cockeyed ideas. Suggest Belarus for a start
PS Wasnt Vargas a Brazilian dictator?

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