Timerman taking the Falklands’ dispute to London in an event with EU figures
Foreign minister Hector Timerman will be taking the Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty claim to London where next week he is scheduled to meet outstanding figures from 18 European countries that have been calling for a resumption of negotiations, according to a release from the Argentine embassy in UK.
The trip coincides, according to the Argentine version of events, with the 180th anniversary of the ‘illegitimate usurpation’ of the Malvinas Islands by the British and a month before the Falkland Islanders appealing to their self-determination right will be holding a referendum to decide on the Islands political status and future, March 10/11.
The Timerman delegation will also include Senator Daniel Filmus and Deputy Guillermo Carmona chairpersons of the Foreign Relations committees in the Argentine congress two chambers.
According to the official release the presentation by Minister Timerman will be based on “Argentina’s historic rights over the Islands and why the right to self determination is not applicable in this case” as claimed by the Falkland Islanders and the Foreign Office.
The event on February 6 and 7 will take place at the residence of Ambassador Alicia Castro in London.
Last week in Santiago de Chile in the framework of the European Union/CELAC (Community of Latinamerican and Caribbean States) summit the Euro-Latinamerican Parliamentary Assembly approved a document recommending the leaders “to favour dialogue for a peaceful, fair and lasting peace” in the Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty dispute as indicated by several UN resolutions.
The document with 39 points which includes the Falklands recommendation (point 36) was later delivered by the lawmakers as a “message” to all leaders at the Chile summit.
The text which according to Argentine sources represented ‘unprecedented support’ for Buenos Aires in its dispute with the UK over the Falklands’ sovereignty was first approved by the Commission of Political Affairs, Security and Human Rights from the Euro-Lat assembly. The initiative was sponsored by Senator Daniel Filmus a member of the assembly.
Apparently the initiative was unanimously supported by all members participating of the Commission with the exception of MP Nicole Sinclaire who abandoned the chamber when the issue was discussed.
In the morning session a stronger statement from the Commission was questioned by MP Sinclaire who openly protested that her peers from Latinamerica during the opening of the Euro-Lat assembly had fervently applauded the speech from co-president Honduran lawmaker Gloria Oqueli when she expressed solidarity with “the Argentine people” on the Malvinas question.
Argentina argues that the Malvinas question “according to the UN is not a matter of self-determination for the occupants of the Islands” in direct reference to the coming March referendum.
“The occupants of the Malvinas are the result of a colonial occupation”, argues Argentina and thus as established by the UN resolutions the question must be addressed by the involved parties (Argentina and UK).
Euro-Lat is a parliamentary institution born from the Bi-regional Strategic Association between the European Union, Latinamerica and the Caribbean created in 2006. It is made up of 75 European MPs and another 75 from regional houses such as the Latinamerican Parliament, the Andean parliament, Mercosur Parliament plus lawmakers from Mexico and Chile.
The other Argentine members of Euo-Lat assembly are Senator Sonia Escudero (vice-president of the bioregional organization), Senators Fabio Biancalani, Adolfo Rodriguez Saá plus the above mentioned Filmus and Carmona.
Nicole “Nikki” Sinclaire is a politician from the UK and belonged to the ‘We demand a Referendum party’. She represents West Midlands as Member of the European Parliament. She was elected MEP in June 2009 as a UK Independence Party candidate but later resigned from the Europe of Freedom and Democracy (EFD) group in which UKIP is part of in the European Parliament, citing the alleged extreme right-wing views of some of the group's members. Subsequently Sinclaire sat as an Independent MEP from January 2010 until in September 2012 she set up the “We Demand a referendum” party. Although mainly known for her Eurosceptic policies, Sinclaire has campaigned on issues affecting West Midlands’ people, from jobs and the environment to human rights.
Sinclaire sits on the Committee for Employment and Social Affairs, Committee on Petitions, Subcommittee on Human Rights, Delegation to the EU-Chile Joint Parliamentary Committee, Delegation to the Euro-Latin American Parliamentary Assembly and is a substitute member on the Committee for Women's Rights and Gender Equality.
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Notably irritated, after the unanimous applause to Gloria Oquelis` speech where “solidarity with the Argentine peoepl” was expressed, Sinclair told her European colleagues: “for reasons like this the UK will end up retiring from the Uropean Union”.
Sinclair`s irritation indicates how lonely the UK is on its stance regarding its colonial possessions in the South Atlantic.
@3, it would be amusing if the aircraft were to be ”repoed“ and he has to fly coach in the middle seat back and seeing him walk up and down the aisles saying ”excuse me, that's my wife, can we swap please...“ ”excuse me that's my child, can we swap please” I'm not holding my breath though (and boy it can be irritating when people try to ask you trade down for their *real* family members).
- We know nothing will come of any action through the UN, and we know we'd win any case in the ICJ. The only thing that could shift us is concerted major action by SA, something like a trade embargo and there is no chance of that happening even if we were outside the EU. Face it, you're (Argentina) impotent to effect any kind of change to Falklands.
Scissor sales will shoot through the roof.
18 outstanding figures... do me a favour.
Nicole has better things to do that score point after point against each argentine claim. no need to embarrass the argentines, they do it to themselves!
The Euro-Latin American Parliamentary Assembly approved a document Malvinas.
www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/subnotas/212661-62147-2013-01-26.html
The Euro-Latin American Parliamentary Assembly adopted a document recommending the heads of state of the EU CELAC and foster “dialogue for a peaceful, just and lasting solution” to the sovereignty dispute over the Falkland Islands, as proclaimed by various UN resolutions. “The Assembly discussed the” Malvinas issue 'in different organs and promotes dialogue for a solution, “says the message of parliamentarians, approved yesterday by all participants of the meeting of the Political Affairs Committee, British Deputy least Nicole ”Nikki“ Sinclaire, who left the room at the time of the discussion. The initiative was sponsored by Senator Daniel Filmus. It was recalled that the case of Malvinas ”to United Nations is not a question of law for the determination of the occupants of Malvinas“, referring to the referendum driven from London but ”the people of the Falklands are a result of a colonial occupation“ .
www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-212721-2013-01-27.html
.... Respect for the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands, but the UK, as a member of the EU, blocked any explicit mention in point five of the document is a clear nod to Argentina's position. There, the 61 signatory countries reaffirmed their commitment ”to all the purposes and principles enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations“ and the ”decision to support all efforts to uphold the sovereign equality of all States, respect their territorial integrity and independence policy “in addition to” refrain in international relations from the threat or use of force “,” support the resolution of disputes by peaceful means and in accordance with the principles of justice and international law. ”
This “event” has not yet reached any of the major newspapers here.
I wonder why? Is it really going to happen?
www.infobae.com/notas/693984-Las-Islas-Malvinas-son-uruguayas.html
Cone born in Formosa I will say that the limit of Paraguay ended in the river that bears his name. The Chaco plains always been inhospitable terrain (Nowhere Land) that Argentina occupied after the war of the triple alliance.
Bwhahahah! As if buddy, seems you've never heard of the lisbon treaty.
More childish and utterly futile acts from a very desperate country that has already lost the argument with the UN.
Did you happen to not read charter 1 or best still listen to Ban Ki Moon's comments?
Give your vote to who you like the fact is back the islands are British and will remain so for as long as the islanders choose them to be. Nothing or no one, other than the islanders can change that.
Maybe you're right and the British are always islands but you're wrong about one thing .. To remain British does not depend on the will of the islanders but the decision of London .. And I have a hunch, when Scotland does not belong more to the UK and the official religion is Islam in England .. As it no longer makes sense to continue to have colonies in the world ..
youtu.be/vdQZ4EHn0kE
And when he says fantasy of self determinations I think he's referring to Chapter 1 of the UN and also the recent support of Ban Ki Moon.
So I think what he's saying is the UN is a fantasy and nobody supports the UN's principles of self-determination given the UN has said in a public statement it supports the people of the Falkland Islands in its self-determination.
Sean Penn coming?
This would require Argentina to stop holding the position of evil facist lying imperialist arseholes.
1.Stop claiming somrthing that is not yours, then the problem is solved.
2. Then stop using your political weight in SA to bully you small neighbour, and the British military COULD be out of the Falklands in a decade.
It seems to me that Argentina does not have a clue what negotiations are: Argentina bring nothing to the table.
A 'just' solution does not include allowing Argentina to annex the Falklands against the wishes of as close to an indiginous population as the you are ever going to get on those islands (that is, people who have roots there going back many, many generations or people they have invited to join them via an immigration policy that THEY control).
If the referendun in Scotland was held tomorrow the vote would be a YES for Scotland to stay part of The Union-thats why the Scottish nationalist asked that 16 year olds be allowed to vote in other words desperation
BTW who is paying for all of these blowhards in these oh so many political orgs I have never heard of? Looks like there is a lot of fat to be trimmed!
@ Raul, why do you think that talking means Argentina Soverinty winning?
Win Win Argentina and England. Consequently everybody wins.
Automatically Speaking is evident that the Falklands conflict is sovereignty. No self-determination as the British islanders are British citizens precisely. They are represented by the British authorities in London.
World public opinion is in favor of Argentina because it complies with international law to enforce UN resolutions.
Although not binding UN resolutions must be fulfilled as it is the best means of resolving disputes peacefully as the established United Nations Charter.
In this regard it should be noted that Resolution 1514 (XV) “Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” in the sixth paragraph states that “Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations. ”
In the Malvinas Question General Assembly of the United Nations included this doctrine - the principle of territorial integrity by referring to the interests and NOT the wishes of the population of the islands - in its resolution 2065 (XX), 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41 / 40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute and reaffirm the invitation made in resolution 2065 (XX) Parties (Argentina and the UK) ”to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee in order to find a solution the problem peacefully, taking into account the provisions and objectives of the United Nations Charter and Resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the people of the Falkland Islands. ”
Speaking of interests, not desires, expressly refers to the sovereignty of the islands.
Surely it is as you claim .. So Cameron is looking hysterical nationalist binding motif if I try to leave the European Union, in order to achieve some social cohesion around the queen .. Very inside you know that losing Scotland, UK disappears as a country ..
No idea, but you can bet the farm that they are on expenses.
There must be some action that can be taken to stop overseas politicians spreading fake propaganda within our borders. I can't help but feel that the UK government is sleepwalking with the future of the Falkland Islanders.
The FIG needs to start being far more proactive when faced with situations like this, because the UK government won't, and to not confront it is to give it the air of legitimacy (which it should never, ever have).
Ban Ki-moon and colonialism: people should be able to decide their own future
Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said UK is not violating relevant UN resolutions referred to the Falklands’ and more specifically on colonialism, he argued that a prevailing impression is that “people living under certain conditions should have a certain level of capacities so that they can decide their own future”, be it independence or some kind of government in their territories.
There is NO WAY the voice and wishes of The Falkland Islanders will not be heard or part of any discussion NEVER so nothing will be changing any time soon and definetely in The Botox Queens reign
“Although not binding UN resolutions must be fulfilled”
Do you actually think about what you write? You really are an idiot.
The referendum in March is peaceful (we're not threatening anyone - despite what CFK claims) and complies with the UN's most basic principle - self determination.
“UN resolutions must be fulfilled” - this sounds like a demand not a negotiation. Of course we would like a pragmatic approach (such as we enjoy with the Chileans and some other SA countries) but as Argentina has enshrined sovereignty into its constitution, where is the latitude for negotiation? Plus you need to talk to the islanders not the UK government. Our stance on this is very clear.
“The trip coincides, according to the Argentine version of events”
“The text which according to Argentine sources represented ‘unprecedented support’ ”
“Apparently the initiative was unanimously supported by all members ”
Also what document are they referring to ?
”The document with 39 points which includes the Falklands recommendation (point 36) was later delivered by the lawmakers as a “message” to all leaders at the Chile summit.”
The actual declaration
www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressdata/EN/foraff/135039.pdf
and it till has no reference to the Falkland Islands !
The residence of Ambassador Alicia Castro in London must be bigger than the embassy to fit all the attendees !
Seriously, it's just dull.
@13 The Euro-Latin American Parliamentary Assembly can shove its “document” where the sun don't shine. Get yourself a copy. You can do the same!
@18 You don't get a say. Why would anyone listen to an argie province?
@27 You stick with your hunch. The majority of the UK (England) doesn't really care whether Scotland goes or stays. Although there are a lot that would rather see them go. The Falklands is a different matter. No British government would survive any proposal to do anything except give the Falklands independence. With a defence treaty maintaining or increasing British forces.
@34 Time waster. You've been reported again for posting your drivel. Incidentally, when will argieland fulfil UN Security Council resolution 502?
@38 Thanks for the co-ordinates. Although I believe the RN already has them.
@39 I suppose he could be declared persona non grata!
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And if that wasn't enough the head of the UN categorically stated;
Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said UK is not violating relevant UN resolutions referred to the Falklands’ and more specifically on colonialism, he argued that a prevailing impression is that “people living under certain conditions should have a certain level of capacities so that they can decide their own future”, be it independence or some kind of government in their territories.
There is delusional and then there is Raul who manages to take it one step further.
I hope you realise the longer these lies are proliferated by your government and people like yourself then the less and less respect anyone has for Argentina. Its no wonder Argentina is consider a joke on the world stage.
I need your help, if you can.
With February upon us and shrove Tuesday just around the corner, a group of us over here are going for a world record attempt at the worlds biggest pancake.
We have lots of stirrers and plenty of cooks, we just need a great big tosser, can you help?
I think the word 'outstanding' has been misused in this context. I think it was probably meant to read 'prominent'.
“7. We reaffirm our commitment to the universality and indivisibility of human rights as laid down in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.”
Universality. That would include Falklanders then.
And it goes on:
“36. We welcome the convening, in early 2016, of a special session of the General Assembly of the United Nations on the world drug problem, as agreed in UNGA resolution A/RES/67/193 to review the progress in the implementation of the Political Declaration and Plan of Action on International Cooperation towards an Integrated and Balanced Strategy to Counter the World Drug Problem, including an assessment of the achievements and challenges in countering the drug problem, within the framework of the three international drug control conventions and other relevant United Nations instruments. In this regard, we support possible responses for enhancing the effectiveness of strategies and instruments available for the international community to face in an integral and balanced manner the challenges and consequences posed by the World Drug Problem under the principle of common and shared responsibility. We also commit to identify the most effective strategies to combat the world drug problem in all its dimensions. With this in mind, initiatives and studies being developed in the Latin American and the Caribbean region and in the European Union, and the participation of both regions in this process, may provide a very valuable contribution to the regional and global discussion on the World Drug Problem.”
It would seem hallucinogenic drugs in particular are a problem in Argentina.
Ooh double the Pesos in 1 year
You'll be rich as an Argentine
it's too bad that has a whole different
meaning today than it did 100 yrs ago.
But personally,
I would have you arrested at the airport,
Humiliatingly body searched, x-rayed ,
Then deported back to Argentina,
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The point is,
The more credence and publicity you give these vultures
The more argument and false ammunition they use against you,
,,,,,,,,,,,,
But hey, its not my decision.
.
ARGENTINA’S foreign policy has grown increasingly combative in recent months. In addition to turning up the heat in its longstanding dispute with Britain over control of the Falkland Islands, the government of Cristina Fernández de Kirchner also nationalised a Spanish-controlled oil company without providing a penny of compensation and sparred with Ghana over the impoundment of a naval frigate.
This week Argentina added Israel to its list of burnt bridges. On January 27th its foreign ministry announced the country would collaborate with Iran to form a joint truth commission that will investigate the 1994 car bomb attack at AMIA, a Jewish community centre in Buenos Aires. No one has been convicted for involvement in the bombing, which killed 85 and injured 300. But Argentine prosecutors, Interpol, Israel and Jewish advocacy groups have all publicly accused Iran of directing the attack and dispatching Hizbullah to execute it.....'
www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2013/01/argentine-iranian-relations
And 18 European countries are in Britain stabbing us in the back.
Wake up Cameron,
Now we know how Caesar felt ..
.
We uphold our international obligations, not many other countries do.
Well done France in Mali. US is helping out too.
Maybe he's going to get some bunga bunga withBurlesquoni.
Otherwise, this does seem a rather unusual move for a country that claims to be pursuing a diplomatic solution. Or is it just that behaving like an asshole not only comes naturally, but goes down a blinder with the domestic constituency?
So true a point ignored by our RG posters in here, asking two countries to talk over a dispute they have with some islands is one thing.
But to demand one of those countries give the other the islands, against the wishes of the islands population who would see their natural resources stolen, be ethnically cleansed and airbrushed from history! is another.
Certainly that's not what the UN want, or any normal country.
www.europarl.europa.eu/intcoop/eurolat/key_documents/summits_eu_alc/1_celac-ue_2013/santiago_declaration_en.pdf
If so it has 48 points and absolutely nothing whatsoever in it relating to the Falklands. Point 36 is to do with drugs.
Does Mercopress check this out before posting this type of article? Clearly not.
No Raul, Falkland Islanders don't win. How are you proposing to enforce a 'negotiatated peaceful solution' against islanders' wishes? Seriously, how is that going to work in practice? We have our own defence force, you know. If we decide we don't want you and we decide to resist, passively or otherwise, how does that fit in with your plan to act 'in our best interests'? You haven't thought this through, have you.
And the Falkland Islands is not an 'integral part of your territory'. Whoever said it was, apart from you? We are hundred of miles away, and we've never been under Argentine rule, apart from a few weeks.What a bizarre claim to make.
Our wishes and our interests are the same thing. It cannot be in our interests to be subjugated by a foreign power, you. What a completely mad idea that is too. You've spent too long listening to your own propaganda without questioning it.
(admittedly not as cool as Lamar developing signal-spread technology but rabidly opposed to Hitler and Fascism).
Wasn't he [ Lamar ] the lead singer of Kajagoogoo?? and a contestant on “I'm a celebrity, get me out of here!”??
What our Argentine friends do not seem to realise is this
All that anyone ask is that both sides sit and talk!!!
Only a fool would sit and talk or negociate with someone who as already got a pre determined outcome as in Argentinas case SOVEREIGNTY.
The Falkland Islands have British Sovereignty
Argentina wants Sovereingty
Argentina have invaeded, been defeated, cried stamped there feet and still no SOVERIEGNTY so why will anything change when the people that really matter THE ISLANDERS you refuse to talk to, sorry but this is a no win situation for Argentina and nothing will be changing no matter how many miles Tinman travels with his countrys distorted accounts of The islands history.
Nice post.......... Nuff said.
Respect!
A couple more of these and they too could be world leaders........
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21250245
Clowns...........................................................
If a single member of any EU government is in attendance I hope that country's ambassador is called into the foreign office for a serous dressing down.
it's been sunny in Sweden!!
He won't be flying El Al
”and the interests of the people of the Falkland Islands. ”
So Raul, what in your opinion are the interests of the Falkland Islanders?
The UN resolution says they cannot be ignored, so you've got some problems if the interests of the Islanders don't coincide with being a colony of Argentina, haven't you chey?
Then let's get a Falkland Islander to comment on your reply (not that there will be one as it is not in the Islander's interests to be a colony of a failed country like Argentina).
“ when Scotland does not belong more to the UK and the official religion is Islam in England .. As it no longer makes sense to continue to have colonies in the world ..”
Have I missed something here ? Has Scotland seceded from the UK. I have lived in Scotland for 71 years and this is news to me.
However, from someone in S.A.-Argentina- it must be true as they are the font of all wisdom.
Islam ? There is probably more chance of this in Argentina as their Muslim population is on the increase. It would probably be good for the country as they are more honest.
I agree that the days of colonies have long since passed, so why is Argentina trying to colonise the Falkands ?
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2013/01/30/timerman-to-stake-argentinas-claim-to-the-falklands-in-london/
VERY DEMOCRATIC and what are we all to believe when you come out with your rambling statements of how EVERYONE at this event supports Argentina 100% it seems to follow a similar pattern how SS Kirchner never allows question and answer sessions we should all lie back and just accept what Argentina says WELL I SAY I DON'T THINK SO
Security Council Resolution 502, issued after Argentina’s illegal invasion of the Falkland Islands in 1982 called for Argentina’s immediate withdrawal, but was disobeyed resulting in the Falklands War.
how the heck is that either news or of ANY importance whatsoever?
Might as well report that hes going out to the dunny for his daily dump.
“”“”“”“”Argentina claims that 2013 is the 180th year since its fledgling colony was removed by force in 1833. There is no mention that 2013 is also the 184th year since Britain warned Buenos Aires to stay away from the British Territory, or that 2013 is the 248th anniversary of Britain claiming the South Atlantic archipelago.“”“”“””
lolol
pwned ;-0
If an Argentine even however questions to any degree the Argentine claim then they are publicly accused of being a traitor and in colusion with pirates.
I guess Argie land has someway to go before it becomes a liberal, free thinking and enlightened country. Perhaps tithead and the mile high cocktail waitress.will learn from us and return to Argentina with some idea on how to advance their failing nation?
Oh, timmerman - I cant wait to hear your latest batch of verbal diohorria.
UK is beginning to look as lonely as North Korea.
Hard to tell if this is real or not as she only has 73 followers. Either way it's very funny. She comes across as an obsessive propagandist.
I know, I know!!
I was just having a big lads joke with you.............
( you see what I did there?? did you? huh? did you?? )
Alicia:
“The #UK media is trying to turn me into a circus sideshow. However the #Malvinas issue will not go away and I will not be silenced!”
She's a clown and a martyr
I love how the Argies get excited when a group of unknows call for negotiations, shows us all their low standards. They should have our pity.
Resolution of the problem does not mean that Argentina gets the Falklands. It means the problem must end. There was no problem from 1850-1941, then Argentina's integrity evaporated.
@132 Beef
Very true. When the Panamanian arm of the latin american knitting circle association announce their support for the Falklands cause then Argentina will have genuine cause for celebration!
'UK is beginning to look as lonely as North Korea.'
Bwhahaha! That is some fantasy you have going on there. Except the UK is fully supported by the UN and many allies but apart from that.......
We are not the isolationist failed country with international judgements building up against us are we? Oh that would be you.....Now if that isn't a lonely position then I don't know what is!
These posts from Argentine posters are so desperate its hilarious, I'm sure some of them believe these fantasies which is as amusing as it is pathetic.
Once the referendum is complete, game, set and match.
(c) Blazing Saddles
Quite frankly this inept government hasn't got a clue how to solve Argentina's problems (most if which they created), so instead fall back on the Falklands in the hopes of distracting the population.
These so-called EU figures, will probably be Italian and Spanish left wingers, who are if no one if note in their own countries, and less so on the international stage. No doubt they blinding agree with what Timmerman says and then............
..........the Falklands will still be British, and will be British the day after, and so on and so on until the Falkland Islanders decide they want to change their status.
Argentina will, by then, have collapsed under the weight of its own incompetence, and the world will just shrug and carry on with normal jogging.
However, I'm happy for this Argentine government to keep bleating on about the Falklands, telling continual lies, most of which they either contradict with more lies, or are so easily disproved as false that it's quite embarrassing watching them.
The more they bleat on and lie, instead of facing and dealing with the problems affecting Argentina, the more the Argentine people will get fed up about hearing about it, and the less they'll care about the Falklands.
I think it's safe to say that the International community already switch off when Argentina starts beating on.
We are so lonely that we held a fantastic olympics where the only people to boycott us was CFK of Argentina-land.
We are so lonely that we have millions of tourists every year.
We are so lonely that in 2013 we had the highest 'soft power' (look it up) rating in the world.
We are so lonely that illegal immigrants try to get here every hour of every day.
We are so lonely that we are at the heart of the United Nations and provide help militarily, provide development funding, provide international rescue services anywhere on the globe.
The last thing we are is lonely. You on the other hand are 'Billy No Mates'.
Still no mention of this (NON) event in the British news media! Is it for real?
2065 says that basically we should give the islands independence and also that the wishes of the people there must be considered in any discussions...so we can do that, no problem :)
Hang on, though, it also says that results of any discussions should be reported in the 21st general assembly meeting and we don't have a time machine to do that so that's that then, no need to follow this one!
Knowing the current situation between the two countries, I would suggest it would be very formal on the surface as per protocol, but secretly one eye on whether he's up to naughties. I'm sure any country with outstanding diplomatic issues would do the same.
Don’t you think so?
Many times I told you that none in Europe will support UK in the Malvinas cause.
None is going to upset Argentina the 8th bigger country in the world, plenty rich in resources and the second engine economy in SA, and a potential strategic partner for EU to sell her goods for a couple of rocks.
And less when Europe is so bad that has to come over her knees asking for help in SA.
What EU members will gain with that?
Nothing, on the contrary they will be banned to sell products to SA, because in the region none wants military presence from UK as US don’t want Military presence on her shores from China.
US also will not support UK because will isolate US even more from the region.
World has change and you have to adapt of will be crashed in the process.
Just a thought...
Just because some unknown little gathering of “ooh, we want to be somebodies” gets together for free drinks in London suddenly you consider that as Europe being against us? Ban Ki-Moon himself said the UK has broken no UN resolutions, we're constantly graded as a solid financial investment case (i.e. not “junk bond” as some shanty towns are) and we can wipe your little blot off the map in a gnat's fart. Don't get cocky, colony boy, the countries that threw you out are in the shits, there'll be nowhere to run when SA collapses.
18 out of 752, MEP's attenting Mr Tits London gig. Good job your not selling the tickets because I believe the theatrical types would call it a flop. Still 1of the cheeky bastards sticking their Euro nose where it is has no business being is enough for me. They should stick to the price of cheese and fish qoutas, that's what the 200 people who voted for them elected them to do.
Completely agree. Withdraw his visa, full body cavity search, then deport him.
Personna Non Gratia.(think thats how you spell it).
Then reject her credentials & deport her too.
Time to stop pussyfooting around with these undesirables.
'Falklands 'belong to Uruguay not Argentina'
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9839202/Falklands-belong-to-Uruguay-not-Argentina.html
The Falkland Islands Government has been advised that the Argentine Foreign Minister will visit London next week, and has requested a meeting with the UK Foreign Secretary William Hague.
Mr Hague has told the Government of Argentina he would be happy to meet Mr Timerman. At that meeting he would want to raise the UK Government’s serious concerns about Argentina’s policy towards the Falkland Islands.
He has also made it clear that, for any conversation on Falkland Islands issues, the Falkland Islands Government must be represented.
Mr Hague has also reiterated to Argentina that there can never be any negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless and until the Falkland Islanders so wish. The Falkland Islands Legislative Assembly believes that the result of the forthcoming referendum will demonstrate definitively that we do not. Should the issue of sovereignty be raised at the meeting, it will not be discussed.
Members of the Legislative Assembly made it clear in their letter of 2012 to President Fernandez de Kirchner (details of which were made public on June 15, 2012), that the Falkland Islands Government is willing to meet with the Government of Argentina in order to make our views clear, and to discuss matters of mutual interest including fisheries and communication. Therefore, MLA Dick Sawle and MLA Jan Cheek will travel to London this weekend to be available to take part in this discussion.
We want to reassure anyone concerned by this that we are not going to be negotiating any deal with Argentina. Rather we are anticipating a full and frank exchange of views. Indeed we look forward to giving Mr Timerman some very direct messages on the unacceptability of Argentina’s actions against the Falkland Islands in recent years. We demand that our rights be respected, and that we be left in peace to choose our own future and to develop our country for our children and generations to come.
Utterly off topic but it puts crap like Argentine claims over the Falklands in perspective:
www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/01/201312791950249235.html
That is the world we live in. I can't say I feel sorry he can no longer feed his family.
We want to reassure anyone concerned by this that we are not going to be negotiating any deal with Argentina. Rather we are anticipating a full and frank exchange of views. Indeed we look forward to giving Mr Timerman some very direct messages on the unacceptability of Argentina’s actions against the Falkland Islands in recent years. We demand that our rights be respected, and that we be left in peace to choose our own future and to develop our country for our children and generations to come. Give him hell !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good luck to the two Island reps I am sure they will be WELL looked after.
DAM would do anything to be a fly on the wall.
HT Nice to see you.
WH send the trolley dolly to fetch me a drink
HT no problem Ms Castro fetch William a drink
WH It's Mr Hague to you
HT OH sorry, now about the Falkland Islands Soverienty.
WH Fuck off
HT Oh ok how's your drink
TWO members of the Falkland Islands Legislative Assembly have stated their intention to meet with the Argentine Foreign Minister in London next week, however, it has been made clear by the Falkland Islands Government that they will not be negotiating any deal but anticipate, “a full and frank exchange of views....”
www.penguin-news.com/index.php/news/politics/item/493-falkland-islands-government-to-meet-argentine-foreign-minister
In spite of the politacal bombast and ballyhoo realtions between Uruguay and the Falklands have been good, going way back to Samuel Lafone who was a major investor in both FI and ROU. Fr many years the maritime shipping service was by the Darwin connecting Montevideo and Stanley. Many Falkland Islanders got thier secondary education at the British School in Montevideo and I think the FIG maintained a boarding house for those pupils. Even during the present crisis there have been several interchanges of business and professional people.
Uruguay IS a democracy and it will be interesting to see the reaction to the forthcoming referendum. But dont hope for too much. We have a large bully next door!
Economically ruined, no carriers, no jets, no hope and no friend in EU.
And even that is not much they will end out of EU.
Is not very sad?
I'm to upset to lmfao, sob,sob,sob.
What are we going to do?
Then again, he could be confusing us with someone, who gives a flying f××ck
what he thinks.
My heart bleeds purple p××s.
and gave him Czechoslovakia . The Czechs were not even invited to the meeting . Shortly afterwards , Hitler marched on Poland , thinking that he would be given that as well . The rest is history .
In 2013 , Argentina proposes that Britain hands over the Falkland islands without any consultation of the population who have been on the islands for longer than Argentina has existed .
Most Argentines could not give a fig for the rights of the Islanders , yet they actually consider themselves a liberal , tolerant and democratic people .
Funny old world ......
Doesn't matter politicly if nobody supports the UK, Its not not an issue that lends itself to a vox populi solution. Its strictly a legal question, and the UK holds all the cards. So its back to the the pot-banging, and whining and wanting. There is no legitimate way for Argentina to accomplish anything.
I fully agree.
96 andy65
Agreed.
150 lsolde
Agreed.
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If the UK is so broke and isolated,
Why then do they all come to us for help,
And why is it, always the disappointed ungrateful deluded CFK supporters that do all the complaining,
We said it once, and sadly we must say it again,
[NO NO NO] You cannot become part of the UK,
So Soddy offy..lol.
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Wow the question changed from a yes or no answer....... to a yes or no answer. Will make little to no difference in the outcome. Recent polls put support for independence as high as 38%, up from 32% while support for the union has decreased. Can I just add that the Electoral Commission were also biased as all members of it were union supporters, with no neutral members a part of it.
I'd stay a part of the UK if we had devo max, but the UK govt have clearly said that isn't going to happen, so I'll vote for independence instead, like many many others.
Back to the original topic.
I thought the poll was taken between July and November ?
www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/politics/scottish-independence-scots-support-down-says-poll-1-2754708
www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/blow-to-snp-as-support-for-independence-stalls.19910713
Perceptive as usual Dany. I can reveal that the Vessels being built at Rosyth are not aircraft carriers. They are actually floating football pitches which can be moved to warmer latitudes when the weather is too inclement here. How did you suss out this startling info only known to me and a few chosen others. I regret to say that I will have to kill you for revealing this state secret.
Also correct about the jets. We are going forward with a design for a Mach 8 sub orbit SKYLON aircraft powered by the SABRE engine. Makes your mighty Pampas look like a kiddies toy.
Well, you are rather a technically backward country.
Before you start boasting about Argentina's marvelous achievements, to paraphrase you “I don't believe ANYTHING in the Hispanic/Latino press as they are all liars ”
the argies will run away lol.
“None is going to upset Argentina the 8th bigger country in the world, plenty rich in resources and the second engine economy in SA, and a potential strategic partner for EU to sell her goods for a couple of rocks”.
But there again if you get too careless, too boastful or too silly you might lose the lot.
Stamp your foot and cry your eyes out all you want but even China and Russia will demand their cut of your “plenty rich” natural resources, local “talent” and whatever else you might have stashed away.
And why is Timmerbaby such a coward that he doesn't even dare meet a couple of middle aged Islanders face to face. Are his arguments that weak or is he frightened of getting a slap?
Timmeridiot needs a good swift kick in the............!
Then a good spanking & sent home with no supper.
“Many times I told you that none in Europe will support UK in the Malvinas cause.”
Wrong yet again, they are already recognized and supported by the EU.
Special member state territories and the European Union
Several European Union member states have special territories which, for historical, geographical, or political reasons, enjoy special status within or outside of the European Union. These statuses range from no or limited derogation from EU policies, limited inclusion in EU policies, or none at all. Most of the territories which are outside the EU nonetheless have a special relationship with the EU.
British overseas territories
Falkland Islands
These are counted as Overseas Countries and Territories under the Treaty of Rome; however, Bermuda has chosen not to apply for this status.[9] All citizens of the British overseas territories – including those connected to Bermuda, but excluding those connected to Britain's sovereign bases in Cyprus – were granted full British citizenship by the British Overseas Territories Act 2002 and are consequently citizens of the European Union.
Member states and sovereign territories Application of EU law? Enforceable in local courts? EURATOM? EU citizenship? Falkland Islands Minimal (OCT)[67] No Yes[70][99] Yes Yes
EU elections? Schengen area? EU VAT area? EU customs territory? EU single market? Eurozone?
No No No No Partial[69] No, FKP
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_member_state_territories_and_the_European_Union
Yeah, Sure specially after you get kicked off of the union...
Again none care a DS about that Britons think, none is going to upset Argentina for a couple of rocks.
@192
If you are referring to the Scottish referendum, you need to consider that many of the Falkland Islanders are descended from Scots, and a great many Scottish people work in the Falkland Islands, therefore the Scottish economy benefits.
Even if the Scottish after independence, renounce their links with the Falklands(thus losing them £millions ), the rest of the Union will support the islands, BECAUSE WE CAN.
You seem to be unaware that a great many countries are happy to trade with the Falkland Islands ( as they, unlike Argentina, are RELIABLE trade partners) and Argentina's attempts to isolate the islands have backfired in a big way to the detriment of the Argentine economy.
I would suggest that because Argentina cannot make its mind up who are its allies and who aren't(they change with Argentina's unique ability to pick and lose a fight with anybody), nobody cares about upsetting Argentina over the Falklands, especially if they are gaining economically from trading with the Falkland Islands.
You will actually find that the Scots will be canny enough to compete with the Union for links and the support of the Falkland Islands should they achieve independence.
Lets face it, in 1982, the Scots Guards who had been taken from ceremonial duties, kicked the shit out of some of Argentinas best soldiers on Tumbledown. Just imagine what they would have been like had they returned from a war zone rather than ceremonial duties before they had sailed to the Falklands?
You just don't have an effing clue about how the UK works. Yes the Scots and the English bicker, quarrel and insult each other like any family but if external threats arise, then we close ranks tighter than a shark's arsehole at 60 fathoms - that's watertight.
However, I think that the Scots are more likely to want to kick the shit out you of than the English. The English are a bit more diplomatic - we prefer violence - it's one of our country's less endearing qualities but useful at times when twats like you mouth off..
So lets imagine a similar situation by the Scots Foriegn Ministry in the event of Scotlands independence
“Comminque No 1. To the colonists of Panama. We demand the immediate tranfer of the land you occupy to the soveriegn government of Scotland whose cityzens were illegally ejected by your Spanish predeccesors in 1699. As we regard your seccesion from the Republic of Colombia as illegal we propose to initiate talks on the return of sovriegnty to this government with the Columbian authorities”
Ridiculous ?
An interesting point and not disimilar, but who in hell's name would want Panama !!!!!!!!!!
Nope, I mean the whole UK...
Scots What?
@Clyde15
Stop drinking mate specially that crap. Would you please?
So really Why are you so afraid of the English?
BTW, I want Panama especially the canal to charge any ship passing trough.
$$$$$
Good point, malvinistas don't like it when you successfully counter their arguments.
@196 Clyde15,
Actually for once Dany makes a bit of sense.
You could make a lot of money charging ships to use the Canal.
Hmmmmm, the Central American Scottish Pound has a nice ring to it!
I have never drunk yerba mate in my life and see no need to do so.
I'm not afraid of the English. Why should I be. I live quite contentedly with them in the UK. They are no threat to me as we are mainly the same people with some regional differences.
It's you and the Argentine govt. who seem to be scared shitless of the “English”(British)and the huge military force “threatening” them from the Falklands.
As a soon to be Muslim yourself Dany, you will be forbidden alcohol. Order you pyjamas now.
I see your colonial expansion genes are showing. Now you want to take over Panama - at least you have a better chance of this than getting your hands on the Falklands.
So second cominique from Scotland to Canada “ We want Nova Scotia back too”
You forgot to say that have good weather and that their food is the best in the world.
Indoctrinated who?
First about what huge military force are talking about?
That seems an Argie police station with 4 planes.
“to be scared shitless of the “English””
Who is sacred of the English? You perhaps?
No Panama but I thinking in Scotland that would be pretty easy to invade.
But thinking again what Scotland would be useful for?
At least Panama has the canal...
You don't have even more oil that was stolen by the English. ha ha
“bint” is Arabic.
loosely translated as daughter, can be used as girl.
lts the feminine of “bin” as in bin Laden, son of Laden.
British & Australian soldiers picked it up in Egypt, probably in WWI.
lts dying out now, l think.
l haven't heard it for years now.
I see your cognitive processes have not improved since your last post and seem to be in parallel with the slide in the Argentine peso. By my reckoning, you must be 10 centavos short of a peso - this is a generous estimate.
Now lets try and answer your garbled posting.
We have “weather” and have learned to adapt to it over the years. That is why the Falkland Islanders have made a success of THEIR little group of islands. A land quite unsuitable for wimps of Argentinians, who, on their last mass visit complained of the cold incessantly.
One can eat very well in the UK with a wide choice of foodstuffs.
It's the Argentine govt. who are quoting our “ Britain's huge powerful military force” in the Falklands.
As you don't seem to think it is any threat, please inform your govt. that an Argie. police station could handle them. End of your worries.
“Who is sacred of the English? You perhaps?”
Difficult to answer, probably St. George - certainly not me. However, the English do not go much for Catholic saints.
Scotland would be pretty easy to invade. Depends who is doing the invading. The English tried it for centuries as did the Romans before them and came to the conclusion that it was better to join with them than have a destructive war that would never end.
However, I think you mean the Argentine.
That is beyond laughable and proves you have slate missing!. We would even let you ashore and politely ask the English to stay out of it as we could easily handle a bunch of wimps as Tumbledown proved. Your best weren't good enough.
Scotland is useful for producing a tough resilient people who with a tiny population have produced some of the world's best scientists, doctors, engineers and inventors.
I could go on but modesty forbids.
Argentine's most famous contribution to the world -the tango !!. That may even be Uruguayan.
I'm sorry. I forgot your main characteristics in which you are world leaders. Lying and whining.
Nobel prize materiel here
It's UK oil !
“Who is sacred of the English? You perhaps?”
You do realise that scared is spelt SCARED, don't you, ferocious Lion Of The Desert?
Oh, sorry! It should have been 'Liar Of The Desert'!
And if you are not scared shitless it's only because you will be hiding under your daughters dress.
Remember 3 Para, 42 Commando and the Ghurkhas? The British forces that kicked your arses in 1982? They are still available for kicking argies arses again.
There is a growing feeling in the UK that if TMBOA is stupid enough to try it again then the mainland AR should also suffer the same as the Falklands did (there are STILL no Malvinas you twat). I firmly believe this should be the case to lay the responsibility with the people who voted this stupid cow in.
After all, there is no point in having the military in the area and not using them to stop you cowardly twats once and for all.
Peace!
What a shower of primadonnas.
@200 redpoll,
l see now the relevance of your post.
Sr Think called me a bint on another thread.
Thats no problem & no insult.
But for him, the proper address would be Memsahib! or Rani! lol.
Ha ha
Do you really want to scare me with Ghurkhas and Para?
Are you idiot or what?
When are you going to send them?
Could be after breakfast please?
I don’t like to do any work with my stomach empty, you know?
You so wrong mate look how productive I'm while working I alone post more comments than all you together.
Can you see why we are the most powerful country in Europe?
While you still remain dominated by the Englishsss since the middle age?
Yes you do and a load of crap to boot.
Argentina the most powerful country in Europe. HAS THERE BEEN A CONTINENTAL SHIFT ?
If you mean Germany, it is partly because you have the largest population - including 3.5 million Turks who in a few generations will be in the majority -and that Germany had the sense to stay out of major conflicts thereby saving billions. You also managed to get NATO countries to station troops and aircraft (at their expense) to protect you from the Soviet threat post war.
However, to be fair,(a concept alien to you) they are a hard working nation who have supplied products the world wants - except Nostril who includes them with the damned.
Even if your last comment was true, I still wouldn't care.
There are sufficient MP's and Ministers to speak for Scotland in the UK government. You probably do not understand democracy with your background.
The PM, his father was Scottish, Chancellor of the Exchequer, Scottish , Chief Secy. for treasury, Scottish.
For a country with about 8% of the population, we are rather well represented in Parliament, especially as there are almost no Conservative MP's in Scotland.
I think a lot of English would say we are over represented in Parliament and the Cabinet.
Apart from that, we have our own Laws, Education system and Church.which are different from England.
What a joke - a bunch of emigre Argentinians, the odd northern european lefty, and two representatives of the UK's “loony left”.
In other words, people of no consequence, or as the Americans say “don't amount to a hill of beans”
@212 redpoll,
l think even the RGs have woken up to the fact that G.Galloway esq. is a raving loony.
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