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Foreign Office insists Argentina was informed in advance Falklands’ MLAs would attend Hague/Timerman meeting

The last round of the Falklands’ dispute between the UK and Argentina seems to have exposed a new blunder of Minister Hector Timerman, since according to the Foreign Office from the very request last December for a meeting with Foreign Secretary William Hague this month in London, the Argentine official was clearly informed that Falklands’ representatives would be present when the particular issue of the Islands was raised.

Difficult times for the Argentine Minister

Timerman accused Clarin of publishing ‘false’ news

In effect on Friday a spokesperson for the Foreign Office reiterated that in December, when the Argentine embassy requested a meeting with Hague and Timerman during the Argentine official’s trip to London in February, they had already informed him that Falklands’ representatives would be attending.

“Upon accepting the invitation to have a meeting between ministers of the two countries, we let the Argentine embassy know that the Foreign Secretary wanted to personally put across issues and serious concerns about Argentina’s policy towards the Falklands and the fact that he had invited members of government from the Islands,” the FCO spokesperson said.

Timerman denied this and reacted by saying he was only interested in bilateral talks with Hague, that he regretted the presence of representatives from an ‘imposed colonial population’ during the meeting, that Falklands/Malvinas issue is bilateral and the right to self-determination, “according to the UN” does not apply to ‘implanted colonies’ and finally that the Falklands March referendum is a ‘joke’, since it is like organizing a vote-count by the boss of an estancia.

In a letter to Hague Timerman expressed all these concepts and also warned that Argentina and UK relations could be harmed by the Foreign Office attitude.

“I repeat that it is a pity that you refuse to have a bilateral meeting. Your decision will surely harm the interest of Argentina's work with the United Kingdom at the G20, the United Nations Security Council, issues of nuclear proliferation, trafficking in human beings, drugs, laundering money, investment, trade, human rights, and many others in which both countries are active members of the international community.

Timerman is scheduled to visit London from February 4 to 6 to attend an event organized by the Argentine embassy in London with the participation of 18 European personalities that favour a UK/Argentina dialogue on the Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty issue. The event is timed to take place a month before the Falklands’ referendum (March 10/11) on the Islands political status and future, organized by the local government and which has President Cristina Fernandez administration furious.

On Thursday January 31, the Falklands’ government in a surprise announcement said that two members from the Legislative Assembly would be flying to London to meet with Hague and the Argentine minister Timerman. It is obvious that such an initiative from the Islands can only be possible if organized by the Foreign Office.

The release from Stanley said that “the Falkland Islands Government has been advised that the Argentine Foreign Minister will visit London next week, and has requested a meeting with the UK Foreign Secretary William Hague.

“Mr Hague has told the Government of Argentina he would be happy to meet Mr Timerman. At that meeting he would want to raise the UK Government’s serious concerns about Argentina’s policy towards the Falkland Islands.

“He has also made it clear that, for any conversation on Falkland Islands issues, the Falkland Islands Government must be represented.

“Mr Hague has also reiterated to Argentina that there can never be any negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless and until the Falkland Islanders so wish. The Falkland Islands Legislative Assembly believes that the result of the forthcoming referendum will demonstrate definitively that we do not. Should the issue of sovereignty be raised at the meeting, it will not be discussed”.

Meantime in Buenos Aires Timerman got involved in a brawl with Clarin and accused the Buenos Aires daily of ‘falsely’ publishing that Argentina was aware that Falklands/Malvinas representatives would be attending the foreign ministers meeting in London, requested by Argentina.

In a release the Minister said that in a letter from Hague, dated 30 January, the Foreign Secretary informed that he had invited Falklands/Malvinas representatives to attend the meeting and “it is my pleasure to inform you they have accepted”.

“Never before the Foreign Office had taken the unilateral decision to include the ‘illegal government’ of the Malvinas Islands” in talks, adds the Timerman release.

It went on to say that on “24 January the Foreign Office sent a letter to Ambassador (in London) Alicia Castro with the following ultimatum for the meeting: “I would be grateful if you can confirm the condition (including Falklands’ MLAs) before 29 January”.

Finally “Argentina reiterates to all Clarin readers that the Malvinas Islands is for the UN a special colonialism issue that must be resolved between the UK and Argentina. Furthermore the UN rejects self determination in this case because it is a population tailored to the measures of the occupying power”.
 

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1 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
This just keeps giving....hahahahahahaha

Timerman needs to be careful misquoting (or lying) about the United Nations:

The UN has never said that:

1) the Falklands is a special case where self determination doesn't apply
2) that implanted populations cannot govern (I.e. every single country in the Americas, plus New Zealand, Australia plus plus) especially in the Falklands where there is no indigenous.

His lies are becoming more desperate.
2 Bongo (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
Argentina has a new superhero.

Blunderman!
3 Shed-time (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
Absolutely hilarious.

A disaster for them, and a disaster for them.
4 stick up your junta (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
Timerman, The Incredible Bullshitting Man
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fJSNL6Ms2uM
5 ElaineB (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
Timerman is on the ropes.
6 redpoll (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
Poor old Tinderbox has really set his pants on fire. Is this man really supposed to be head of a diplomatic service??? Next missive
“Dear Master William,
I am sending Nanny Alicia to the Foriegn Office to give you a good spanking you naughty little boy...”
Tinderboxes arrogance and bad manners are beyond belief
7 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
At least the Englishman Dick Sawle can use his failed trip to visit his family in Sheffield, nothing like going back home Dick!
8 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
How about your family in Spain Marcos? :-)
9 Robert English (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 08:49 pm Report abuse
Dear me will he ever learn!!
10 Shed-time (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
@7 What's wrong with having family in the UK? Your president and Nestor have family in Germany, they can probably go see their unmarked graves in Nuremberg every now and again. I admit though, it's easy for them to go and visit Uncle Adolf because his grave is in some ski resort in Argentina.

You're just a racist who hates British people because of your jealousy, and this jealousy makes you sour.

You, like most argentines, are the personification of sour jealousy.
11 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
@7

Are you saying Dick Sawle can't be an islander because he wasn't born on the islands?

I wouldn't normally endorse such racist views, but if that is Argie logic, let's go with it.

Nobody evicted in 1833 was born on the islands, therefore they weren't islanders, therefore no right to be there.

Excellent, job done. The islands future, by your logic should only be decided by people born there, or direct defendants thereof.

You can stop wheeling out Vernets decendents...Vernet was born in Munich.

Anyone else you've got, who was born on the islands or can prove they are a direct decendent of someone born there...I am sure we can arrange them a vote in the referendum.
12 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
Poor Englishman Dick...Sawle, he missed Argentinean wine tasting at the Houses of Parliament only for a few days :-))

www.offlicencenews.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/13182/Argentina_and_UK_unite_over_a_glass_of_wine.html
13 briton (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
Inside nerve centre of new UK carrier
Watch the video.
www.bfbs.com/news/uk/inside-nerve-centre-new-uk-carrier-62691.html
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Island takes to the water! by QEClassCarriers, via Flickr
Its on the barge
Take a look
pinterest.com/pin/481885228848633272/
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The time has surely come for the government to announce to the UN that the UK will no longer entertain a backward anti democratic dictatorship,
And all or any future talks are now none and void.
Mmm
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14 Shed-time (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
@12 He can buy wine in the supermarket in Stanley. It's quite easy to buy things outside of Argentina when your currency isn't worthless. Besides, he was probably having delicious lamb for dinner again and didn't want to miss staring out over the idyllic south atlantic where his island nation resides.

That must make you sour.
15 Xect (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
This is hilarious, he just moves from one diplomatic blunder straight to another without even stopping for breath!

He can't seem to comprehend simple situations and then makes up random rubbish as if its truth to cover himself. I love his recent UN rulings, you know the type that don't exist and he makes up on the spot. Maybe he now feels he's replaced Ban Ki Moon as the leader of the UN?

Way to discredit Argentina just a little bit more (if thats possible?!?)
16 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
@14 He can buy cheap wine in the supermarket in Malvinas and eat crocodile meat nearby.
17 redpoll (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
Crocodiles in the Falklands? Maybe in your fantasy Malvinas perhaps
18 Shed-time (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
@14 Yes, or he could have delicious lamb or beef bred from pure livestock and traceable. Then he washes his delicious meal down with a particularly good desert wine from Italy, and thinks about how to make the Falklands a bit better economically, whilst staring out over the rolling hills.

He doesn't need to fly to the UK where some lady who would will deny his existence full of dreams of ethnic cleansing would disparage him over a glass of plonk. Better that he stays in the Falklands and enjoys his rich life with the nice people there.

You agree?
19 screenname (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 09:24 pm Report abuse
I wonder how long CFK is going to put up with Timerman. He really does seem to be lurching from one cock-up to the next.

People on here that can speak Spanish should put some pro-Timerman comments in their media before they sack him and get someone competent.
20 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
17 redpoll
Wrong as usual Yorugua wannabe.
Brit, ask your brothers if they still serve that nasty cajun crocodile tail at Malvina(s).

18 Ethnic cleansing you said?
You are so right...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFLhB_SkMIg
21 Shed-time (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 09:46 pm Report abuse
@19 Timmerman is their motley-wearing fool who says anything and attracts the audience's ire. This is just his role, and he performs it well, distracting the people when necessary. Ultimately he is aware of the upcoming demise of argentina, and has probably placed his investments to capitalise on this.

She won't get rid of him, just like she didn't get rid of the head of the rusty navy when the ship rolled over and sank. He just does his role.
22 commonsparrow (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
Someone should make him website like they did this guy:
www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/
It would be a fun read.....
23 LEPRecon (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
Marcos

Sour grapes? It must be hard having a bunch of lunatics running your country.

I like them, the more they open their big traps and make statements that are so obviously blatant lies that are easily disproved the better.

The way your precious government us going, no one would believe them if they made a bold statement saying water is wet.
24 Anbar (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
Its gift that never stops giving at the moment.
25 Britworker (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 10:23 pm Report abuse
@13
Wow, they are really getting on with those Supercarriers, can you imagine the performance when one of those turns up the South Atlantic, with its carrier battle group in tow, they will be scared shitless! Get that port built soon Falklands, the Queen Elizabeth Supercarrier will look amazing down there, i bet the cruise liners will be queuing up to look at it.
26 redpoll (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
Where is Crissy? No funnies from her for days
27 Anbar (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 10:32 pm Report abuse
Anyway, Marcos: how are you getting on with Skyrim?
28 Shed-time (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 10:49 pm Report abuse
@26 Still having a breakdown somewhere in the colony of patagonia while her fat son watches.
29 golfcronie (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
Who to believe William Hague or Hector Timerman ?
William Hague I am sure is the answer
30 Anglotino (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 11:28 pm Report abuse
Timer man is right, ”according to the UN” self determination does not apply to implanted colonies.

However he is being disingenuous when he says this applies to the Falklands. I guess it always pays to mix a little truth in with the lies to make a point to the uninformed and uneducated.

This was to stop future colonisation attempts such as Israel's creation of settlements in the West Bank, not applicable to events that happened more than 100 years before the UN was formed.

It is the same as territorial integrity. Again used to stop invading forces tearing apart countries they have invaded. Again applicable to modern phenomena.

Argentina's insistence that the Falklands is subject to these provisions is simplistic and false.

Anyone taking this to its farcical extreme would find that large parts of the Americas would need to be 'uncolonised'. Poland would need to move eastward and return land to Germany.

Ukraine would have to give up independence along with dozens of other countries such as South Sudan, Australia, Pakistan etc.

Uruguay's existence does not disrupt the territorial integrity of Argentina. All countries have to end somewhere.

And the UN has never ever renounced the right of self-determination for the Islanders. It doesn't matter what is said in any UN resolution, until the General Assembly removed this right from the Charter, it will apply.

I know its all been said before. And this drag on until the Islands declare independence sometime in the future. Until then Argentina's obstinance will actually continual to have a declining effect on the Islanders.

There are plenty of anomalous sovereignties around the world.

Armenia is not recognised by Pakistan, as Pakistan supports Azerbaijan in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. However Azerbaijan recognises Armenia! Go figure.

The Falklands nation has existed for 180 years without Argentina and the next 180 will be even easier.
31 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 11:55 pm Report abuse
23 LEPRecon
“It must be hard having a bunch of lunatics running your country”
Where are this three stooges from?
Gordon Brown, Tony Bliar and David Camoron
32 LEPRecon (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 12:02 am Report abuse
@31 - Marcos

Compared to the bunch of inept muppets you have running Argentina, they look like the three wise men.

You and the other La Campora trolls post increasingly desperate and inane comments.

I hope they are paying you well, but I doubt it judging by the calibre of your posts.
33 Tobers (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 12:06 am Report abuse
Thanks for clarifying that Anglotino. The best way to lie and deceive is to mix it with some truth.

Its really getting desperate now. Macri, Scioli and Soca need to team up now to shift this current uber shower of shit out of town.
34 Musky (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 12:11 am Report abuse
Hector and Alicia are prize chumps for their parts of this farce, headless chickens could do a better job. A total embarassment.
35 andy65 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 01:00 am Report abuse
And ofcourse being Argentines none of them tell lies just ask The IMF
36 Pugol-H (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 02:29 am Report abuse
LMFAO Twitterman blunders yet again, you seriously could not make this shit up.

@36 celeste
Ahh Sussie, your back again, but look at the time! shouldn’t you be handcuffed to a radiator somewhere, by now?
37 Bongo (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 06:22 am Report abuse
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's Blunderman!
38 LEPRecon (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 08:45 am Report abuse
I wonder why he makes such blantant lies?

I mean, they can be so obviously disproved, I wonder why he bothers?

I can guarantee that the FCO does everything in triplicate, so there will be a record of Argentina being informed with the precise date and time they received this notification.

No wonder the people of Argentina are embarrassed. Anyone would be with this bunch of muppets ruling them.
39 Trunce (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:40 am Report abuse
Looking forward to him turning up at Ecuadorian Emabassy, and doing a balcony appearance with Assange, in a demonstration of solidarity against the evil empire.
40 Gordo1 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:45 am Report abuse
It seems to me that Timerman is a hypocrite when he refuses to meet with the Falklands representatives claiming they are “colonists” and “usurpers”. Wasn't his father an Israeli citizen? I also understand that a brother of his is also a citizen of Israel and also lives there.

So is he “implanted” just as the islanders are?
41 Frank (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:50 am Report abuse
All this first generation implanted RGs crap is for home consumption.......
42 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 10:14 am Report abuse
'A photo of Argentine isolation'
www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2013/2/3/foto-aislamiento-argentino-694619.asp

'British Petroleum, ¿'Trojan horse' to militarize the Falklands?'
actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/85513-petroleras-britanicas-militarizar-malvinas

“No country in the world accepts British sovereignty in Falklands”
www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-213145-2013-02-03.html
43 Room101 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 11:04 am Report abuse
It's no good the FO writiong to someonewho can't read.
44 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 11:13 am Report abuse
'Timerman travels to London amid controversy - After the controversy over the failed meeting with his counterpart William Hague and kelpers authorities will meet with organizations that support Argentina in Malvinas sovereignty. Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman will travel to London today to meet with European organizations that support the claim of sovereignty of Argentina over the Falkland Islands, in the midst of the controversy over the failed meeting with his counterpart William Hague and kelpers authorities. Timerman will travel with the holders of foreign commissions of both chambers of Congress, Rep. Guillermo Carmona and Senator Daniel Filmus, to participate in the activities organized by the Embassy of Argentina in the UK, including meetings with 18 groups pro-EU dialogue European. On Tuesday morning, the chancellor will participate in the British Parliament for a meeting of Party Parliamentary Group UK-Argentina, where Argentine state the petitioners before the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations, Alejandro Betts and Marcelo Vernet, sources Noticias Argentinas official.
On Wednesday, meanwhile, held a meeting of European groups pro-EU dialogue, including the UK and led by journalist Richard Gott, the official residence of the Ambassador of Argentina, Alicia Castro, in Belgravia .
There will be a debate on the rights of Argentina over the islands, and the inapplicability of the principle of self-determination of peoples, Britain principal argument to avoid negotiations over sovereignty....'
www.mdzol.com/nota/446419-timerman-viaja-a-londres-en-medio-de-la-polemica/
45 DanyBerger (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 11:27 am Report abuse
War coming slowly but steady...

Are you ready for war?
46 agent999 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 11:29 am Report abuse
@45

WOW! Gott leading the debate on the rights of Argentina !!!!!!!!!!

“Richard Willoughby Gott is a British journalist and historian. A former Latin America correspondent and features editor for the British newspaper The Guardian, he is known for his radical politics and a connection to Che Guevara”
47 Redrow (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 11:34 am Report abuse
@46

Would that not be unconstitutional?
48 M's Bulldog (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 11:42 am Report abuse
@46
You aren't capable so shut up you bald bitch!
49 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 12:17 pm Report abuse
47 agent999

I've found an interesting article about Richard Gott's extreme views...

'Stupid Gott on the Falklands - January 2, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Every few years the preposterous “anti-imperialist” Richard Gott comes out with an article in the Guardian proposing that rights of the Falkland Islanders should be overridden in the name of Argentina’s geographically-based mini-imperialist “claim” to the islands.
The last time he came out with his anti-democratic proposal was on the 25th anniversary of the outbreak of the Falklands war, and he was in no doubt about the justice of Argentina’s claim:“The Falklands belong to Argentina. They just happen to have been seized, occupied, populated and defended by Britain. Because Argentina’s claim is perfectly valid, its dispute with Britain will never go away,” he wrote in the Guardian of 2 April 2007. And in case anyone was in any doubt about Mr Gott’s attitude towards the Falklanders themselves: “At some stage, sovereignty and lease-back will have to be on the agenda again, regardless of the wishes of the islanders.”...'
shirazsocialist.wordpress.com/2012/01/02/stupid-gott-on-the-falklands/
50 Trunce (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 01:09 pm Report abuse
Should also be an impartial parliamentry representative a the debate - perhaps the indefatigable Galloway.

www.liveleak.com/view?i=b57_1340386755
51 LEPRecon (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 01:26 pm Report abuse
@46 - Dany

War? Well the UK is always ready, however it will be at least 30 years before Argentina has an Armed Force capable of making war.

But then I forgot, Dany, you are a military genius. You are ready to sacrifice at least 10,000 Argentines (but not yourself) in trying to invade the Falklands.

Your plan is brilliant. Just point these men at the Falklands and say GO!

However, parts of your plan are vague. Such as how you are going to get these men to the Falklands, and how you are going to resupply them, and how you are going to evacuate the wounded, and most importantly what you are going to say to their families when they all die in a futile and pointless attempt, so you can feel like you have a big dick.

What you are is a big dick.
52 Conqueror (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 01:29 pm Report abuse
@7 Would that be because he's free? Unlike argies who can't get out of their cesspit because their gangster overlords won't let them have dollars!
@20 Thanks for admitting your intentions!
@31 Getting weak?
@46 Of course! How would you like to start? Have you got any barges capable of crossing 400 miles of ocean? How many of your little cockleshells can cope with a wave? This is the state of your “navy”: “The service is underfunded and struggling to meet maintenance and training requirements. The 2013 budget allowed for the 15 operational vessels to each spend less than 11 days at sea, whilst the submarines averaged just over 6 hours submerged in the whole of 2012. The Almirante Brown class destroyers are short of spares and their ordnance has expired whilst the Antarctic patrol ship ARA Almirante Irizar has been under repair since a fire in 2007.” How's your air force? Do the wings drop off automatically? You no longer have a Boeing 707 transport squadron. Half the C-130 Hercules are out of action. You have 49 combat aircraft. And the Army? “A major problem of today's Army is that most of its combat units are understrength in manpower due to budgetary limitations”. “As of 2012, the army has 44,233 military personnel.” The British Army has 138,500! Would we want to travel all the way to argieland? Why don't we send some of our 64 Trident D5 missiles? Each with 12 warheads. Range around 7,500 miles. Wouldn't have to leave home! How many would you like?
53 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
More drivel from Boudou...

'Boudou: “Clarín echoes anything that could put a spanner in the Government” - Vice President Amado Boudou in General Roca considered that “it is serious Clarín to echo anything that can put a stick in the wheel national government.”
“They do not interpret that is a consensus government and a tremendous popular support, who carried out all the changes that could and could not be well,” said in a conversation with reporters at the launch of the National Party Apple, which is done in the city Thursday. Boudou wondered “who thought he was going to recover from system administration of the administrators or renegotiate the foreign debt at a discount of 66%, in the progress of public works country in all corners in two pension increases each year and the application of the universal allowance ”. “Neither thought they were going to get with computers to all secondary schools.” said. said “it demands resources and logistical capacity to reach programs everywhere” and lamented that “Clarín journalism but does militate discouragement, against the government and ultimately against the people”. “do not defend popular interests but those of their own media group. Malvinas With the case is very serious. seems they are happy when something can go wrong for Argentina, as with the frigate Libertad ”he added. argued that the media group “held every day the problem, but when it was resolved and returned the Frigate addressed the issue as a minor thing, ”when in fact“ it was a beautiful festival.”
www.telam.com.ar/notas/201302/6590-boudou-clarin-se-hace-eco-de-cualquier-cosa-que-pueda-ponerle-un-palo-en-la-rueda-al-gobierno.html
54 GFace (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 02:23 pm Report abuse
@45/47/50/51, I think we could've guessed as much, a few fashionably petulant eurotrash in their turtlenecks looking for the same thing Timerman is wanting: A precious moment of validation before the referendum (or at any time, really).
55 Pete Bog (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 02:24 pm Report abuse
@46
War coming slowly but steady...

Are you ready for war?

No we aren't Danny. Please please please don't invade now, as we haven't got Prince William in a yellow unarmed helicopter to protect the FI.

Take pity on us finished Brits. At least give us a week so we can fly down a squadron of Typhoons and a squadron of our clapped out Tornados with their inneffective Brimstone, Paveway and Storm Shadow weapons.

Please be sporting enough to allow us to deploy two 1833 vintage Astute class subs and some equally ancient 1853 vintage T45 destroyers, as we don't know how we are going to combat your flagship, the Liberturd and your ex flagship that scares us a lot as it is using your secret naval tactics of lying on its side.

Also give us a chance to fly down our Globemaster fleet packed to the gunnels with our poor amateur conscript soldiers and our 70s vintage Apache helicopters.

Don't think we could possibly be ready against your superior Pampers aircraft as we haven't got any Hawk trainer deployed in SA

Spare us !
56 Gordo1 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
If Richard Gott is going to be the most prominent European that meets with Timerman at the Argentine Embassy meetings then Alicita has really “scraped the barrel” as his political and cultural opinions are about as representative of Europe as is my Jack Russell terrier.

Gott is taken seriously by about 0.1% of Europeans. Still, if Argentina believes this support to further their case, then so be it! Much giggling in the background!
57 Brit Bob (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
Hector Timmerman aka Hector Simpleman.
58 stick up your junta (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
Gott the spy

Gott resigned as literary editor of the Guardian in 1994 after it was alleged in The Spectator that he had been an “agent of influence” for the KGB, claims which he rejected, arguing that “Like many other journalists, diplomats and politicians, I lunched with Russians during the cold war”. He asserted that his resignation was “a debt of honour to my paper, not an admission of guilt”, because his failure to inform his editor of three trips abroad to meet with KGB officials at their expense had caused embarrassment to the paper during its investigation of Jonathan Aitken.[4]

The source of the allegation that he was an agent, KGB defector Oleg Gordievsky. In his resignation letter Gott admitted “I took red gold, even if it was only in the form of expenses for myself and my partner. That, in the circumstances, was culpable stupidity, though at the time it seemed more like an enjoyable joke”. One issue was whether during the 1980s, the KGB, would have thought Gott's information worth £10,000. Kim Philby's biographer Phillip Knightley highlighted the limited value of outsider Gott as compared to insider, Aldrich Ames concluding that Gott would have been lucky to
59 Boovis (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
On the Clarin.com website, they've covered this story as well and the most “liked” comment about it is from a guy claiming that the UN and the EU supports Argentina and that Clarin are spreading lies about the subject.
60 Brit Bob (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 03:22 pm Report abuse
It is worth noting that Hector Timerman is on twitter and has 7 followers!
61 Boovis (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 03:37 pm Report abuse
twitter.com/HTimerman
62 Agent999999999999999999 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
is looking for Zhivago is he paying Captain Poppy $800 restaurant bill in Argentina....how about Yankee-Poor Boy? cannot afford to pay Captain Poppy restaurant bill.....poor brits!
63 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
63

Sussie?

Sussie Timmerman?
64 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 04:26 pm Report abuse
War is coming...?

Well let's hope not Dany because “war” has moved on since 1982 and the Argentine military hasn't.

You are quoted as saying you'd be prepared to lose 10,000 Argentine troops. The problem is that not even with 1 million troops could you do it.

Simply put, the amassing of an Armada in Patagonia would arouse suspicion, and the whole frikking fleet would be sunk by weapons you wouldn't even see coming. Submarines you couldnt see, or better still the harbours from planes outside of your range.

The death toll to Argentina would be such that the word “Malvinas” wouldn't be uttered for a millennium.

War is coming you say...I hope not.
65 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
More rubbish from the RG realm of fantasy...

'Terragno: “Islanders are not a people, are British” - The candidate for the UCR Senator Rodolfo Terragno said today that the referendum that made English settlers in the Falkland Islands “will confirm that they are not a people who are British.”
In that sense, he warned that “if part of the United Kingdom can not be arbitrators in a dispute between his country and Argentina” for sovereignty on the islands.
Terragno also said that Britain does not want dialogue with Argentina because the government of Cristina Fernandez “attacks the British.”
“It is fortunate to have a referendum in the Falklands because islanders will ratify what Argentina said that there are a people who are British,” he said in a conversation with radio Brisas.
The attorney, formerly of radical governments and OAS consultant, said “there is a misperception very important to say that there has to be a referendum that will say what we want.”
“Always rhetoric hurts us, the other is that UN has set a dialogue and Britain will not, because the government is attacking the British and the pirates then there is little thought on the underlying issue,” he said.
Moreover, in relation to the current domestic policy stated that “people do not care which political party will rule, who cares solve problems such as insecurity and inflation. Proposals and tries to follow leaders.”

www.rionegro.com.ar/diario/terragno-los-islenos-no-son-un-pueblo-son-britanicos-1063762-9532-nota.aspx
66 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 05:05 pm Report abuse
“People sometimes ask me why Argentinians make such an endless fuss about the islands they call Las Malvinas. The answer is simple. The Falklands belong to Argentina. They just happen to have been seized, occupied, populated and defended by Britain. Because Argentina's claim is perfectly valid, its dispute with Britain will never go away”
Amen

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/apr/02/comment.falklands

“We'd rather go to Germany or Spain than Britain, says Bulgarian minister”
:-))))))))))

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/bulgaria/9845613/Wed-rather-go-to-Germany-or-Spain-than-Britain-says-Bulgarian-minister.html
67 Gordo1 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 05:24 pm Report abuse
1) Richard Gott is a nonentity and his opinions are his and are not accepted as valid.

2) I believe you will find that 100% of the native population of the United Kingdom will be extremely please with this statement from the Bulgarian Minister.

Neither of your links concern us at all! Your sniping fails totally!
68 andy65 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
@Marcos Alejandro The same concerns lie within other European countrys why do you think there was a cap on movement in the first place and not just to the UK
Bankcrupt Spain with 27% unemployment will welcome them all with open arms,France deport Romanians without asking questions if they have no job and cause problems the French put them on flights home.

RICHARD GOTT is a leftwing idiot who as dined with Russians in the cold war and you are refering to sometning said in 2007 but unlike ARGENTINA we belive in freedom of speach unlike how you treat your journalist like JORGE LANATA see below who you now call a traitor for his pro BRITISH VIEWS

Lanata says

There is nothing Argentine about the Islands. The people eat fish and chips, they have dinner at 6pm; they are British. The only thing that is remotely Argentine is maybe the landscape that resembles barren Patagonia and the thousands of still active landmines that the Argentine forces left behind.“

”Argentina's policy towards the Malvinas is insane, erratic, senseless,“ said Lanata and blocking the ports is more of the same madness

en.mercopress.com/2012/02/08/turn-on-your-sepoy-detector-and-weed-out-the-anti-malvinas-traitors

Jorge Lanata is an ARGENTINE JOURNALIST
69 Steveu (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
@67 MA

The phrase that “sovereignty will have to be on the agenda *regardless of the wishes of the islanders*” shows how out of touch he is with where we are now. The documents he is citing are selective and of course the big fact that the 1982 invasion changed everything. No UK PM is going to dare to sell the islanders down the river.

As regards Bulgaria, that would surprise no-one. It is nearer and they can get there reasonably easily by car. I'm not really sure what your point was on that one. It is only some of the UK tabloids that are whipping the story up. Economically we are in a different phase compared with the influx of Poles. If they can't get jobs and are being restricted from claiming benefits, that should act as a brake. If they have something worthwhile to offer then fine.
70 redpoll (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
@64 Yep its sussie. I think she will shortly be posting under the name of Redpissov
She really should see her doctor if she has those sort of medical problems. I t would be a pity to lose out on her comic relief on these threads
71 andy65 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
Anoth quote from Jorge Lanata


“Argentina needs to integrate the Islands, not isolate them. We have to face up to the fact that we lost the war. Malvinas is not part of Argentina; it is part of our imagination. We're so blinded by years of rhetoric that we can't see reality”.

Finally Lanata believes that the revival of the sovereignty claim is a smokescreen for the belt-tightening the government of Cristina Fernandez has to enforce after almost nine years of uninterrupted growth.

“It's no coincidence, this is the first time in history that a Peronist government has had to put austerity measures in place – they don't know how to do it”.

Mr Jorge Lanata Argentine journalist sure talks alot sense now how long before the Argentine trolls start calling him a trator???
72 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
“The Falklands can no longer remain as Britain's expensive nuisance”

“Distant colonies are an anachronism. Britain will have to negotiate with Argentina because the world will insist on it”
Amen

Simon Jenkins

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/25/falklands-britains-expensive-nuisance
73 Alexei (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 05:59 pm Report abuse
@73 The Guardian is full to overflowing with BS. It's only read by a tiny and dwindling handful of pitiful self-loathing lefties and media lovies.
74 golfcronie (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
Why does the Government of Argentina not hold a referendum with regards to the FALKLAND ISLANDS.
Question: Do you believe in SELF DETERMINATION ?
75 josefa malvinera (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
yes, war is the solution!
76 GFace (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 06:14 pm Report abuse
@76, You mean the way the Nazis exercised their right to “vote” to take Poland, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Belgium, etc? They certaionly had the numbers and yes, that referendum would have probably had a C24 seal of approval in someone's alternative history.
77 redpoll (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
Sussies ready for war!!! How much you get paid as a comfort woman? Dont forget your nutria coat. Its cold down there in the Falklands. Ps forget Dunny. He prefers sheep
78 Redrow (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
@ Marcos

There's not much to say on the Richard Gott article, the comments below it say everything - in fact I have never seen a Guardian comments page so united against a left-wing viewpoint so you can consider him a massive outlier of British opinion. As for Gott himself I had never heard of him prior to today but was most amused to read his Wikipedia entry.

The Simon Jenkins article has slightly more credibility though his gushing praise for CDK has dated badly. I wonder if he'd write the same thing today?

Ultimately, the point that Argentina keeps missing is that it doesn't matter what the British people think, it only matters what the F.Islanders think. That's called Self Determination. For us to hand the islands over regardless of the wishes of the FI people would require us to be the very colonials you accuse us of being!
79 Steveu (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 06:26 pm Report abuse
@75 Agreed

According to Private Eye, they are having to make drastic economies in order to keep afloat.

I think some of the comments people posted on the articles were critical of the authors stance. They both had the starting premise that the islands had to be handed “back” to Argentina despite the Southern Arana treaty and the fact that the UK first exercised sovereignty in 1765
80 andy65 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
@Marcos Alejandro, Please take a look at the official British policy with regards to The Falkland Islands,when or if the good people of The Falkland Islands want change then you will find the said policy change until then the status quo remains the same no matter how many tantrums thrown by Kirchner or Timerman (For our Argentine friends A tantrum is equal to a bad display of behaviour by a child) I also ask why you never respond to comments made by Argentine Journalist????

www.gov.uk/government/policies/supporting-the-falkland-islanders-right-to-self-determination
81 Alexei (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
@77 Unfortunately war wasn't the solution when we kicked your sorry arses off the Falkland Islands in 1982. It wasn't the solution because we didn't follow up and finish the job. That wasn't thought necessary at the time. Total war would resolve this issue, but would result in the annihilation of Argentina and the deaths of millions of ignorant, misinformed but misguided Argentineans. Seriously, no sane person wants to see that.
82 M's Bulldog (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
@77
Yeah you can get yourself ready for war and suck off all the RG soldiers going to their deaths as a token gesture from the RG government, sort of a going away present. Then when you have a belly full of seamen (get the joke?) you can make sure your Rosie a-hole is good and primed for a good reaming. That's you Sussie, you two bit ugly Jezebel.
83 Brit Bob (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 06:52 pm Report abuse
twitter.com/HTimerman

'I here to educate the world on truth about Argentina and Malvinas'
84 Pete Bog (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
@85
Yep-Timmerman's truth invented on the back of an envelope without any referencing to historical documents or what actually happened.
He couldn't educate an amoeba.
85 Brit Bob (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
I actually believe that the Tin Man and the Botox Queen are getting really worried as the rest of the World is beginning to realise that the fate of the Falkland Islands rests with the islanders.
86 Gordo1 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:06 pm Report abuse
Marcos Alejandro - All these random links you are using are of no use if your reason is to further your “cause”. You really should research the background to them before making such a fool of yourself as most of their contents are counterproductive to your purpose. You are pathetic!
87 briton (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
25 Britworker
It would be a fantastic crowd puller,

And if arranged the tourist will flock to see it,
And CFK can watch in awe.
,,,,,,,,,,
Apparently mr tin man, is humiliating Argentina, and is considered a total embarrassment,
They are now the world number one laughing stock,
And her devoted devotees still do not get it,

A total joke.lol.

.
88 andy65 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
Timerman as a Jew makes me sick, To think he can just ignore the people of The Falkland Islands while he kisses the ass of a woman called Kirchner and signs deals to find who murdered Jews with the murderers an evil Islamic terrorist sponsering nation called Iran.
89 Shed-time (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:19 pm Report abuse
So, in summary, we learned that Argentina doesn't attend talks when we ask for them (their excuses are their own) and they seem to think that the UN calling for two parties (the administered state and the administering state) to talk somehow involves themselves.

The rhetoric about this being a special colonial situation is just nonsense they made up to suit their lies.

they're basically just liars.
90 andy65 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
Timerman is using the word Bilateral as a smoke screen the only reason he is coming to London is to trash the referendum in March.
Hague rightly points out Bilateral talks are OK but the minute you talk about The Falklands issue then the reps from The Falkland Islands council MUST BE present-now what democratic country would find fault or argumant with that?????
91 Shed-time (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
@92 the only bilateral thing that is called for by the UN is an agreement between the administered and administering state on the nature of decolonisation. The democratically elected UK and Falklands governments have agreed that this will be through 'free association', as per the UN's guidelines, and the referendum will end the question on decolonisation forever.

Argentina is the uninvited third party, according to the UN.
92 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
'TIMERMAN UP TOMORROW TO LONDON FOR THE MEETING OF THE 18 European groups it supports dialogue - Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman will arrive tomorrow to London to participate, between Tuesday and Wednesday, the meeting of the Argentina-Party Parliamentary Group UK and also an unprecedented meeting with 18 European groups Pro Malvinas Dialogue.
Activities, framed in the 180 years of British usurpation of the Malvinas Islands, will begin on Tuesday at the headquarters of the British Parliament, where the meeting will take place on Argentina-Party Parliamentary Group UK.
Timerman Chancellor addition, the meeting will be attended by the chairmen of the committees of the Congress Foreign Affairs, Senator Daniel Filmus and Deputy Guillermo Carmona, as officially reported from Chancery.
The meeting will include, among other things, a historical presentation and a discussion of Argentina's rights, and the inapplicability of the principle of self-determination.
In turn, petitioners state the Argentines before the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations, Alejandro Betts and Marcelo Vernet.
On Wednesday, while, at the official residence of Argentina representation in the UK who chairs the Ambassador Alicia Castro will be the meeting of the 18 European groups that support dialogue.
This group consists of prominent politicians, academics, writers and journalists from Germany, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark, Spain, France, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Czech Republic, United Kingdom, Romania and Sweden.'

noticias.terra.com.ar/politica/timerman-arriba-manana-a-londres-para-la-reunion-de-los-18-grupos-europeos-que-apoyan-el-dialogo,442bb1fb8cd9c310VgnCLD2000000ec6eb0aRCRD.html
93 andy65 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:38 pm Report abuse
@Shed-time Totally agree,I might call Alicias place tomorrow (Argantine Embassy)to ask if it would be safe and OK for me to visit Argentina and trash there country verbally demand protection the same rights Timerman will be afforded on his visit here.
94 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
“..with the participation of 18 European personalities”

I'm sorry, but does Europe even have 18 personalities??

As Rich Hall once said:-

“The Euro is for countries who don't have enough famous people to put on their money”
95 briton (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
It should be banned, full stop.
How can a foreign diplomat be allowed into another country and effectively slag em off,

Who then will look the fools, us or them.
96 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
88 Gordo1
You said: “ I had an Argentine friend, now deceased, who I considered almost my brother”

Where does all the fake love come from?
“Fake relationships and fake people coming up to me and all of a sudden wanting to be my friend”
97 andy65 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
Are these GROUPS or just individuals with individual opinions?? I mean France as overses territorys also
98 briton (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
so does spain.
99 andy65 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
@97 briton, Totally agree but thats what makes us so MUCH MORE democratic than Argentina FREEDON OF SPEECH. In Argentina if anyone speaks against Kircher they are classed as trators,I am amazed she as not started the death flights back up with all the TRATORS there must now be in Argentina speaking up against her policys-as anyone seen or read her rants on her Twitter ot Facebook page?? an Argentine actor dare to ask her on Facebook how she had made so much money since becoming President and she went balistic accusing him of being a criminal LOL now thats from a leader of a so called G20 country
100 HansNiesund (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
Just imagine if some Falkland Islanders were to turn up at the meeting with the British-Argentine All-Party Parliamentary Group.

Page 14.

www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmallparty/register/register.pdf
101 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
'Timerman announced its agenda in London and did not include a meeting with Foreign Minister - He had said he wants to meet with his counterpart William Hague “without conditions”, this afternoon, in a statement, detailed his journey but did not mention the encounter with the official...'
www.lanacion.com.ar/1551561-timerman-anuncio-su-agenda-en-londres-y-no-incluyo-la-reunion-con-el-canciller
102 stick up your junta (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
Old but interesting
www.opendemocracy.net/celia-szusterman/argentina-y-las-malvinas-in-search-of-reality
103 andy65 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
Ofcourse Timerman as not included any talks now with W.H. because all he is coming to London for is to trash the Falkland Islanders referendum and seeing that W.H. will only discuss The Islands with reps from the falkland Islands council present he as no need to go to the F&C.O
Does anyone know what the British-Argentine commity get up to and are they pro Argentina??
104 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
@briton @andy65
Timerman is going to look like a idiot, asking for talks, when he has just turned down talks. Just read some of the comments on Lanacion or Clarin from the RG public.
Anyway just for you guys I found a hilarious video earlier, on press.tv, I wouldn't normally recommend anyone go on Iranian based press.tv as it is very anti-western, but in the video the British guy totally wins the argument, against 2 others, well worth a watch.
www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/01/04/281775/us-colonialism-shored-up-in-latin-america/
105 puerto argentino (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:01 pm Report abuse
briton, an other question for you and your pirates friends!!

Why every time there is a resolution, the UN invites Argentina and Britain to negotiate without mentioning the Islanders? uk has a permanent seat in an OS, pirates go home!!!
106 andy65 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
@puerto argentino You are aware being Argentine that you are sons and daughters of Spanish Pirates or do you see yourself an something else????? you are European immigrints you fool.
107 AzaUK (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
If the Falkland Island government is considered British whats the problem? surely The UK would have say on who represented them
108 puerto argentino (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
108 + 109
You did not answer the question , I asked the pirate Briton!! but anyway, you do not have any answer, because UN never recognized that Pirtes government in Malvinas
109 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
107

All those resolutions were written 50 years ago, before the invasion of the islands and the deaths of 900 people...

Those resolutions were non binding at the time and irrelevant now.

The Falklands have moved on since your invasion, and now have virtually autonomy, relying on Britain only for their defence...From you!!
110 HansNiesund (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
@107

The UN makes no stipulation as to the content, participants, or outcome of any negotiations. The idea that the UN has mandated discussions on the transfer of sovereignity from which the slanders are to be excluded is just one more Malvinista fantasy among many.
111 Agent999999999999999999 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
I want war rather that keep talking about stupid things!
112 reality check (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
Didn't you know, the world does not recognise their right to exist, it's true, the AG says so and they never lie!
113 HansNiesund (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
@111

It's not just that these resolutions were non-binding and were rendered redundant by the war. It's that the UK was never in breach of them anyway, and as we have just seen, clearly isn't now.
114 josefa malvinera (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:50 pm
Comment removed by the editor.
115 Shed-time (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
@116 of course you want war, you're an argentinian.

@112 You're right of course, the UN implicitly recognizes the FIG as a part of the decolonization process. They cannot expect them to decolonize without democratic representation.

The argentines seem to not know very much.
116 Xect (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
Just ignore the troll, nobody in their right mind would want Argentina to have a war with the British.

It would be a slaughter, a very advanced and battle proven military VS a unprofessional, massively outdated and weak military.
117 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
@117,118

Ignore the Argentine pedrrast Troll at
@116, its sussie again. Yawn.

Has asked to break relations several times.

Of course Britain will just ignore Argentine provocations.

If UK throws 'em out, they can say “UK will not negotiate”.

FCO office is always open, and Hague will be glad to meet, bringing the appropriate Falkland MLA's should the subject of sovereignty arise.
118 andy65 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
@107 puerto argentino

Perhaps this might help you

Mrs Kirchner drew a parallel between the situation in Palestine and in the Malvinas/Falklands. She was referring to the fact that both Israel and the UK ignore statements of the United Nations general assembly. In fact, if the situations have got anything in common (which they don’t) it could be argue that it is Argentina that holds the most objectionable role, by behaving without any regard for the views of the inhabitants of the territory under dispute. Moreover, it may be worth recalling that all UN resolutions on the islands have been issued by the general assembly, and none by the Security Council (whose resolutions are binding).
119 Shed-time (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 10:33 pm Report abuse
seems to me that the Argentinians refused to engage in discussions (their excuses are their own). These were with the UK gov and FIG (recognised by the UN through managed decolonisation).

End of story. Let's all move on.
120 redpoll (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 10:35 pm Report abuse
Andy No good replying to Sussie in all her guises. Just advise her to get on with her present profession in Tampa USA
121 José Malvinero (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 10:53 pm Report abuse
73 Marcos Alejandro
Interesting and quite truthful article, coming from an Englishman, ha ha.
122 andy65 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 11:01 pm Report abuse
@120 redpoll would that profession involve streets at night and bath houses LOL
123 screenname (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:10 am Report abuse
@104 Steve-33-uk: What a nice 'Bitish' bloke this Isaac Bigio is. How on earth did he get a British passport? I think the powers that be really need to pull there finger out if some horrible little scumbag like him can gain British nationality.

www.theprisma.co.uk/2010/09/14/isaac-bigio-from-aiu-%E2%80%9Cin-the-uk-we-all-belong-to-the-same-group-we-have-the-same-traits-and-the-same-problems%E2%80%9D/

“He continues to be defined by his roots”, and I would like him to go back to them.

I did find one thing he said interesting (not that you can trust what he says if that press.tv interview is anything to go by), “Take the Argentinians for example, many of them have European Passports.”

Really? But do we not hear on this website how South American they are, and the Falklanders should go back to (even if they never came from) the UK? Why would Argentinians have European passports?

I think a clue might be found with that well known Argentinian sportsman, Sergio Parisse:

www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Sergio+Parisse+Italy+Rugby+Union+Portrait+xi-43ptmwXCl.jpg
124 andy65 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:26 am Report abuse
A comment by an Argentine on Yahoo says it all

DEJEMO OF # $% $ ... Let us first try a country RELIABLE AND THEN negotiate with diplomacy with judgment and common sense ..... and not a clown like .......... IF CHANCELLOR WE internally as a bag of cats, all against all ...... a people with problems, a DIREGENCIA KORRUPTA, AN uNJUST JUSTICE AND eDUCATION IN DECLINE OF COURSE .............. WANT TO FALKLAND, will not want to be in the condition that Argentines WE ....
125 agent999 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:30 am Report abuse
@123 screenname

What a strange article.
Are they asking for none British citizens to be able to vote in British elections.

”Here those that originate from the English speaking Caribbean are members of the Commonwealth, they have the right to vote in the general elections (something the Spanish, including the wife of the Deputy Prime Minister, Miriam González can’t do)”
126 GFace (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:39 am Report abuse
@106, “you are European immigrints you fool.”

Oh let's not get certain whacked-out trolls here started... Have you not heard that AR history is marinated in politically correct New World Special Creationist mythology? If you had, then you'd know they all sprung up from the ground in unison from Buenos Aires to Belgrano Base at their current demographics screaming “Viva Peron!” “Las Malvinas es Argentina” and of course “The Junta wasn't ~our~ fault but this commemorative coin of our... uh... their Dirty War on the usurping pirats is, like, totally wicked kewl!” (that last one losses some gravitias when wrung through Bing Translate but I think we all know that reflects the true Campora fascist nostalgia) before any date on which the UK can provide hard substantial documentation and probably even before house Wessex cornered the local real estate market! None of have any tie to the old world, not even as Berengia Pedestrians. (Say what you will of the Creationists that plague US school boards, they at least accept human migration theory.)
127 redpoll (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 02:07 am Report abuse
@122 YES On its own admission
128 DanyBerger (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 07:57 am Report abuse
We should support and help economically and politically Isaac Bigio and his organisation that claim the rights of Self-D for “Latinos and Hispanics” in UK so they can desire their own future for them and their sons.

Why to say “to check” if you easy can say “checar”?
Why to say “to park” if you can easy can say “parquear”?
Why to say “to polish” if you can say “polichar”?
Why to say “to walk” if you can say more naturally “uolquear”?

Have in mind boys how easy for “Latinos speakers” would be to write in UK lets see an example, shall we?

“Ai jav tu uolkear ten blox tu arraiv tu mai guorc dis mourninn.”

Just perfect, who is going to have spelling mistakes like this?
129 Gordo1 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:09 am Report abuse
Timerman's schedule in London includes a meeting the British-Argentine Parliamentary Group - an all party group.
www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmallparty/register/argentina.htm

From personal experience, I don't believe he will find any “fellow travellers” here - he would be better off just having his meeting with Hague and the two Falklands legislators.
130 agent999 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:45 pm Report abuse
Good luck Mr. timerman
These are the views of some the members of the committee.

Baroness Hooper: My Lords, I am delighted that the Prime Minister was able to make it quite clear to the President of Argentina that the British people and the British Government stand beside, and behind, the people of the Falkland Islands in deciding their own future.

The teenage Sajid became interested in politics, cheering Mrs Thatcher’s battles for the Falklands and against the NUM

Mike Weatherley, the Conservative Member of Parliament for Hove and Portslade, backs calls to block loans to Argentina, following increasingly aggressive rhetoric against Britain and her sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.

Guy Opperman MP: Argentina should accept that the Falklands Islands wish to remain British

The group of visiting British legislators included Lord McNally (Liberal); Lord Faulkner (Labor) and MP Mark Pritchard “”they insisted with kelpers' self determination ”
131 briton (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
puerto argentino

As an alleged pirate, as you say,
Then thus I am bound not to reply to you,
As pirates have no rights,
Would you like to repeat your intrusive question in bilateral language so I can under stand it in better context as to thither you will an intelligent reply

Thank you.
.
132 Ayayay (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
Sooo..there's a treaty , still preserved today, where Spain (which didn't own the Falklands) gave Uruguay the Falklands before it gave tgem to Argentina. Spain, lol. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9839202/Falklands-belong-to-Uruguay-not-Argentina.html
133 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
With apologies to Tom Lehrer:

Cristina De Kirchner??

“Nazi, schmatzi”, says Hector Timerman.
134 Pete Bog (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 01:09 am Report abuse
@105
“UN invites Argentina and Britain to negotiate without mentioning the Islanders”

No wrong-try reading the resolutions with some form of reading aid.
The resolutions clearly state that the Islanders(population) interests are taken into account.
Argentina does not take their interests into account so Argentina breaks the resolutions.
The resolutions are subject to the provisions of the UN Charter, all of which (including the territorial integrity with the UK), support the islanders and not Argentina.

The 'population' refers to the Falkland Islanders in the resolution as strangely enough it refers to the people that live on the islands.

@108
“because UN never recognized that Pirtes government in Malvinas”

Probably because the Malvinas don't exist but the UN Charter applies to everyone as no one is exempt-and all of its provisions support the Falkland Islanders, not colonialist regimes like Argentina
135 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
@134Pete

”The resolutions clearly state that the Islanders(population) interests are taken into account.“

The Argentinians are interpreting their ”interests“ as ”what's best for the population“, ie. what Argentina deems is best for the Islanders, not the Kelpers.
Timerman has stated directly that their ”wishes” are not going to be considered.

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