Foreign Office insists Argentina was informed in advance Falklands’ MLAs would attend Hague/Timerman meeting
The last round of the Falklands’ dispute between the UK and Argentina seems to have exposed a new blunder of Minister Hector Timerman, since according to the Foreign Office from the very request last December for a meeting with Foreign Secretary William Hague this month in London, the Argentine official was clearly informed that Falklands’ representatives would be present when the particular issue of the Islands was raised.
In effect on Friday a spokesperson for the Foreign Office reiterated that in December, when the Argentine embassy requested a meeting with Hague and Timerman during the Argentine official’s trip to London in February, they had already informed him that Falklands’ representatives would be attending.
“Upon accepting the invitation to have a meeting between ministers of the two countries, we let the Argentine embassy know that the Foreign Secretary wanted to personally put across issues and serious concerns about Argentina’s policy towards the Falklands and the fact that he had invited members of government from the Islands,” the FCO spokesperson said.
Timerman denied this and reacted by saying he was only interested in bilateral talks with Hague, that he regretted the presence of representatives from an ‘imposed colonial population’ during the meeting, that Falklands/Malvinas issue is bilateral and the right to self-determination, “according to the UN” does not apply to ‘implanted colonies’ and finally that the Falklands March referendum is a ‘joke’, since it is like organizing a vote-count by the boss of an estancia.
In a letter to Hague Timerman expressed all these concepts and also warned that Argentina and UK relations could be harmed by the Foreign Office attitude.
“I repeat that it is a pity that you refuse to have a bilateral meeting. Your decision will surely harm the interest of Argentina's work with the United Kingdom at the G20, the United Nations Security Council, issues of nuclear proliferation, trafficking in human beings, drugs, laundering money, investment, trade, human rights, and many others in which both countries are active members of the international community.
Timerman is scheduled to visit London from February 4 to 6 to attend an event organized by the Argentine embassy in London with the participation of 18 European personalities that favour a UK/Argentina dialogue on the Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty issue. The event is timed to take place a month before the Falklands’ referendum (March 10/11) on the Islands political status and future, organized by the local government and which has President Cristina Fernandez administration furious.
On Thursday January 31, the Falklands’ government in a surprise announcement said that two members from the Legislative Assembly would be flying to London to meet with Hague and the Argentine minister Timerman. It is obvious that such an initiative from the Islands can only be possible if organized by the Foreign Office.
The release from Stanley said that “the Falkland Islands Government has been advised that the Argentine Foreign Minister will visit London next week, and has requested a meeting with the UK Foreign Secretary William Hague.
“Mr Hague has told the Government of Argentina he would be happy to meet Mr Timerman. At that meeting he would want to raise the UK Government’s serious concerns about Argentina’s policy towards the Falkland Islands.
“He has also made it clear that, for any conversation on Falkland Islands issues, the Falkland Islands Government must be represented.
“Mr Hague has also reiterated to Argentina that there can never be any negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless and until the Falkland Islanders so wish. The Falkland Islands Legislative Assembly believes that the result of the forthcoming referendum will demonstrate definitively that we do not. Should the issue of sovereignty be raised at the meeting, it will not be discussed”.
Meantime in Buenos Aires Timerman got involved in a brawl with Clarin and accused the Buenos Aires daily of ‘falsely’ publishing that Argentina was aware that Falklands/Malvinas representatives would be attending the foreign ministers meeting in London, requested by Argentina.
In a release the Minister said that in a letter from Hague, dated 30 January, the Foreign Secretary informed that he had invited Falklands/Malvinas representatives to attend the meeting and “it is my pleasure to inform you they have accepted”.
“Never before the Foreign Office had taken the unilateral decision to include the ‘illegal government’ of the Malvinas Islands” in talks, adds the Timerman release.
It went on to say that on “24 January the Foreign Office sent a letter to Ambassador (in London) Alicia Castro with the following ultimatum for the meeting: “I would be grateful if you can confirm the condition (including Falklands’ MLAs) before 29 January”.
Finally “Argentina reiterates to all Clarin readers that the Malvinas Islands is for the UN a special colonialism issue that must be resolved between the UK and Argentina. Furthermore the UN rejects self determination in this case because it is a population tailored to the measures of the occupying power”.
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Timerman needs to be careful misquoting (or lying) about the United Nations:
The UN has never said that:
1) the Falklands is a special case where self determination doesn't apply
2) that implanted populations cannot govern (I.e. every single country in the Americas, plus New Zealand, Australia plus plus) especially in the Falklands where there is no indigenous.
His lies are becoming more desperate.
Blunderman!
A disaster for them, and a disaster for them.
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fJSNL6Ms2uM
“Dear Master William,
I am sending Nanny Alicia to the Foriegn Office to give you a good spanking you naughty little boy...”
Tinderboxes arrogance and bad manners are beyond belief
You're just a racist who hates British people because of your jealousy, and this jealousy makes you sour.
You, like most argentines, are the personification of sour jealousy.
Are you saying Dick Sawle can't be an islander because he wasn't born on the islands?
I wouldn't normally endorse such racist views, but if that is Argie logic, let's go with it.
Nobody evicted in 1833 was born on the islands, therefore they weren't islanders, therefore no right to be there.
Excellent, job done. The islands future, by your logic should only be decided by people born there, or direct defendants thereof.
You can stop wheeling out Vernets decendents...Vernet was born in Munich.
Anyone else you've got, who was born on the islands or can prove they are a direct decendent of someone born there...I am sure we can arrange them a vote in the referendum.
www.offlicencenews.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/13182/Argentina_and_UK_unite_over_a_glass_of_wine.html
Watch the video.
www.bfbs.com/news/uk/inside-nerve-centre-new-uk-carrier-62691.html
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Island takes to the water! by QEClassCarriers, via Flickr
Its on the barge
Take a look
pinterest.com/pin/481885228848633272/
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The time has surely come for the government to announce to the UN that the UK will no longer entertain a backward anti democratic dictatorship,
And all or any future talks are now none and void.
Mmm
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That must make you sour.
He can't seem to comprehend simple situations and then makes up random rubbish as if its truth to cover himself. I love his recent UN rulings, you know the type that don't exist and he makes up on the spot. Maybe he now feels he's replaced Ban Ki Moon as the leader of the UN?
Way to discredit Argentina just a little bit more (if thats possible?!?)
He doesn't need to fly to the UK where some lady who would will deny his existence full of dreams of ethnic cleansing would disparage him over a glass of plonk. Better that he stays in the Falklands and enjoys his rich life with the nice people there.
You agree?
People on here that can speak Spanish should put some pro-Timerman comments in their media before they sack him and get someone competent.
Wrong as usual Yorugua wannabe.
Brit, ask your brothers if they still serve that nasty cajun crocodile tail at Malvina(s).
18 Ethnic cleansing you said?
You are so right...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFLhB_SkMIg
She won't get rid of him, just like she didn't get rid of the head of the rusty navy when the ship rolled over and sank. He just does his role.
www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/
It would be a fun read.....
Sour grapes? It must be hard having a bunch of lunatics running your country.
I like them, the more they open their big traps and make statements that are so obviously blatant lies that are easily disproved the better.
The way your precious government us going, no one would believe them if they made a bold statement saying water is wet.
Wow, they are really getting on with those Supercarriers, can you imagine the performance when one of those turns up the South Atlantic, with its carrier battle group in tow, they will be scared shitless! Get that port built soon Falklands, the Queen Elizabeth Supercarrier will look amazing down there, i bet the cruise liners will be queuing up to look at it.
William Hague I am sure is the answer
However he is being disingenuous when he says this applies to the Falklands. I guess it always pays to mix a little truth in with the lies to make a point to the uninformed and uneducated.
This was to stop future colonisation attempts such as Israel's creation of settlements in the West Bank, not applicable to events that happened more than 100 years before the UN was formed.
It is the same as territorial integrity. Again used to stop invading forces tearing apart countries they have invaded. Again applicable to modern phenomena.
Argentina's insistence that the Falklands is subject to these provisions is simplistic and false.
Anyone taking this to its farcical extreme would find that large parts of the Americas would need to be 'uncolonised'. Poland would need to move eastward and return land to Germany.
Ukraine would have to give up independence along with dozens of other countries such as South Sudan, Australia, Pakistan etc.
Uruguay's existence does not disrupt the territorial integrity of Argentina. All countries have to end somewhere.
And the UN has never ever renounced the right of self-determination for the Islanders. It doesn't matter what is said in any UN resolution, until the General Assembly removed this right from the Charter, it will apply.
I know its all been said before. And this drag on until the Islands declare independence sometime in the future. Until then Argentina's obstinance will actually continual to have a declining effect on the Islanders.
There are plenty of anomalous sovereignties around the world.
Armenia is not recognised by Pakistan, as Pakistan supports Azerbaijan in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. However Azerbaijan recognises Armenia! Go figure.
The Falklands nation has existed for 180 years without Argentina and the next 180 will be even easier.
“It must be hard having a bunch of lunatics running your country”
Where are this three stooges from?
Gordon Brown, Tony Bliar and David Camoron
Compared to the bunch of inept muppets you have running Argentina, they look like the three wise men.
You and the other La Campora trolls post increasingly desperate and inane comments.
I hope they are paying you well, but I doubt it judging by the calibre of your posts.
Its really getting desperate now. Macri, Scioli and Soca need to team up now to shift this current uber shower of shit out of town.
@36 celeste
Ahh Sussie, your back again, but look at the time! shouldn’t you be handcuffed to a radiator somewhere, by now?
I mean, they can be so obviously disproved, I wonder why he bothers?
I can guarantee that the FCO does everything in triplicate, so there will be a record of Argentina being informed with the precise date and time they received this notification.
No wonder the people of Argentina are embarrassed. Anyone would be with this bunch of muppets ruling them.
So is he “implanted” just as the islanders are?
www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2013/2/3/foto-aislamiento-argentino-694619.asp
'British Petroleum, ¿'Trojan horse' to militarize the Falklands?'
actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/85513-petroleras-britanicas-militarizar-malvinas
“No country in the world accepts British sovereignty in Falklands”
www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-213145-2013-02-03.html
On Wednesday, meanwhile, held a meeting of European groups pro-EU dialogue, including the UK and led by journalist Richard Gott, the official residence of the Ambassador of Argentina, Alicia Castro, in Belgravia .
There will be a debate on the rights of Argentina over the islands, and the inapplicability of the principle of self-determination of peoples, Britain principal argument to avoid negotiations over sovereignty....'
www.mdzol.com/nota/446419-timerman-viaja-a-londres-en-medio-de-la-polemica/
Are you ready for war?
WOW! Gott leading the debate on the rights of Argentina !!!!!!!!!!
“Richard Willoughby Gott is a British journalist and historian. A former Latin America correspondent and features editor for the British newspaper The Guardian, he is known for his radical politics and a connection to Che Guevara”
Would that not be unconstitutional?
You aren't capable so shut up you bald bitch!
I've found an interesting article about Richard Gott's extreme views...
'Stupid Gott on the Falklands - January 2, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Every few years the preposterous “anti-imperialist” Richard Gott comes out with an article in the Guardian proposing that rights of the Falkland Islanders should be overridden in the name of Argentina’s geographically-based mini-imperialist “claim” to the islands.
The last time he came out with his anti-democratic proposal was on the 25th anniversary of the outbreak of the Falklands war, and he was in no doubt about the justice of Argentina’s claim:“The Falklands belong to Argentina. They just happen to have been seized, occupied, populated and defended by Britain. Because Argentina’s claim is perfectly valid, its dispute with Britain will never go away,” he wrote in the Guardian of 2 April 2007. And in case anyone was in any doubt about Mr Gott’s attitude towards the Falklanders themselves: “At some stage, sovereignty and lease-back will have to be on the agenda again, regardless of the wishes of the islanders.”...'
shirazsocialist.wordpress.com/2012/01/02/stupid-gott-on-the-falklands/
www.liveleak.com/view?i=b57_1340386755
War? Well the UK is always ready, however it will be at least 30 years before Argentina has an Armed Force capable of making war.
But then I forgot, Dany, you are a military genius. You are ready to sacrifice at least 10,000 Argentines (but not yourself) in trying to invade the Falklands.
Your plan is brilliant. Just point these men at the Falklands and say GO!
However, parts of your plan are vague. Such as how you are going to get these men to the Falklands, and how you are going to resupply them, and how you are going to evacuate the wounded, and most importantly what you are going to say to their families when they all die in a futile and pointless attempt, so you can feel like you have a big dick.
What you are is a big dick.
@20 Thanks for admitting your intentions!
@31 Getting weak?
@46 Of course! How would you like to start? Have you got any barges capable of crossing 400 miles of ocean? How many of your little cockleshells can cope with a wave? This is the state of your “navy”: “The service is underfunded and struggling to meet maintenance and training requirements. The 2013 budget allowed for the 15 operational vessels to each spend less than 11 days at sea, whilst the submarines averaged just over 6 hours submerged in the whole of 2012. The Almirante Brown class destroyers are short of spares and their ordnance has expired whilst the Antarctic patrol ship ARA Almirante Irizar has been under repair since a fire in 2007.” How's your air force? Do the wings drop off automatically? You no longer have a Boeing 707 transport squadron. Half the C-130 Hercules are out of action. You have 49 combat aircraft. And the Army? “A major problem of today's Army is that most of its combat units are understrength in manpower due to budgetary limitations”. “As of 2012, the army has 44,233 military personnel.” The British Army has 138,500! Would we want to travel all the way to argieland? Why don't we send some of our 64 Trident D5 missiles? Each with 12 warheads. Range around 7,500 miles. Wouldn't have to leave home! How many would you like?
'Boudou: “Clarín echoes anything that could put a spanner in the Government” - Vice President Amado Boudou in General Roca considered that “it is serious Clarín to echo anything that can put a stick in the wheel national government.”
“They do not interpret that is a consensus government and a tremendous popular support, who carried out all the changes that could and could not be well,” said in a conversation with reporters at the launch of the National Party Apple, which is done in the city Thursday. Boudou wondered “who thought he was going to recover from system administration of the administrators or renegotiate the foreign debt at a discount of 66%, in the progress of public works country in all corners in two pension increases each year and the application of the universal allowance ”. “Neither thought they were going to get with computers to all secondary schools.” said. said “it demands resources and logistical capacity to reach programs everywhere” and lamented that “Clarín journalism but does militate discouragement, against the government and ultimately against the people”. “do not defend popular interests but those of their own media group. Malvinas With the case is very serious. seems they are happy when something can go wrong for Argentina, as with the frigate Libertad ”he added. argued that the media group “held every day the problem, but when it was resolved and returned the Frigate addressed the issue as a minor thing, ”when in fact“ it was a beautiful festival.”
www.telam.com.ar/notas/201302/6590-boudou-clarin-se-hace-eco-de-cualquier-cosa-que-pueda-ponerle-un-palo-en-la-rueda-al-gobierno.html
War coming slowly but steady...
Are you ready for war?
No we aren't Danny. Please please please don't invade now, as we haven't got Prince William in a yellow unarmed helicopter to protect the FI.
Take pity on us finished Brits. At least give us a week so we can fly down a squadron of Typhoons and a squadron of our clapped out Tornados with their inneffective Brimstone, Paveway and Storm Shadow weapons.
Please be sporting enough to allow us to deploy two 1833 vintage Astute class subs and some equally ancient 1853 vintage T45 destroyers, as we don't know how we are going to combat your flagship, the Liberturd and your ex flagship that scares us a lot as it is using your secret naval tactics of lying on its side.
Also give us a chance to fly down our Globemaster fleet packed to the gunnels with our poor amateur conscript soldiers and our 70s vintage Apache helicopters.
Don't think we could possibly be ready against your superior Pampers aircraft as we haven't got any Hawk trainer deployed in SA
Spare us !
Gott is taken seriously by about 0.1% of Europeans. Still, if Argentina believes this support to further their case, then so be it! Much giggling in the background!
Gott resigned as literary editor of the Guardian in 1994 after it was alleged in The Spectator that he had been an “agent of influence” for the KGB, claims which he rejected, arguing that “Like many other journalists, diplomats and politicians, I lunched with Russians during the cold war”. He asserted that his resignation was “a debt of honour to my paper, not an admission of guilt”, because his failure to inform his editor of three trips abroad to meet with KGB officials at their expense had caused embarrassment to the paper during its investigation of Jonathan Aitken.[4]
The source of the allegation that he was an agent, KGB defector Oleg Gordievsky. In his resignation letter Gott admitted “I took red gold, even if it was only in the form of expenses for myself and my partner. That, in the circumstances, was culpable stupidity, though at the time it seemed more like an enjoyable joke”. One issue was whether during the 1980s, the KGB, would have thought Gott's information worth £10,000. Kim Philby's biographer Phillip Knightley highlighted the limited value of outsider Gott as compared to insider, Aldrich Ames concluding that Gott would have been lucky to
Sussie?
Sussie Timmerman?
Well let's hope not Dany because “war” has moved on since 1982 and the Argentine military hasn't.
You are quoted as saying you'd be prepared to lose 10,000 Argentine troops. The problem is that not even with 1 million troops could you do it.
Simply put, the amassing of an Armada in Patagonia would arouse suspicion, and the whole frikking fleet would be sunk by weapons you wouldn't even see coming. Submarines you couldnt see, or better still the harbours from planes outside of your range.
The death toll to Argentina would be such that the word “Malvinas” wouldn't be uttered for a millennium.
War is coming you say...I hope not.
'Terragno: “Islanders are not a people, are British” - The candidate for the UCR Senator Rodolfo Terragno said today that the referendum that made English settlers in the Falkland Islands “will confirm that they are not a people who are British.”
In that sense, he warned that “if part of the United Kingdom can not be arbitrators in a dispute between his country and Argentina” for sovereignty on the islands.
Terragno also said that Britain does not want dialogue with Argentina because the government of Cristina Fernandez “attacks the British.”
“It is fortunate to have a referendum in the Falklands because islanders will ratify what Argentina said that there are a people who are British,” he said in a conversation with radio Brisas.
The attorney, formerly of radical governments and OAS consultant, said “there is a misperception very important to say that there has to be a referendum that will say what we want.”
“Always rhetoric hurts us, the other is that UN has set a dialogue and Britain will not, because the government is attacking the British and the pirates then there is little thought on the underlying issue,” he said.
Moreover, in relation to the current domestic policy stated that “people do not care which political party will rule, who cares solve problems such as insecurity and inflation. Proposals and tries to follow leaders.”
www.rionegro.com.ar/diario/terragno-los-islenos-no-son-un-pueblo-son-britanicos-1063762-9532-nota.aspx
Amen
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/apr/02/comment.falklands
“We'd rather go to Germany or Spain than Britain, says Bulgarian minister”
:-))))))))))
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/bulgaria/9845613/Wed-rather-go-to-Germany-or-Spain-than-Britain-says-Bulgarian-minister.html
2) I believe you will find that 100% of the native population of the United Kingdom will be extremely please with this statement from the Bulgarian Minister.
Neither of your links concern us at all! Your sniping fails totally!
Bankcrupt Spain with 27% unemployment will welcome them all with open arms,France deport Romanians without asking questions if they have no job and cause problems the French put them on flights home.
RICHARD GOTT is a leftwing idiot who as dined with Russians in the cold war and you are refering to sometning said in 2007 but unlike ARGENTINA we belive in freedom of speach unlike how you treat your journalist like JORGE LANATA see below who you now call a traitor for his pro BRITISH VIEWS
Lanata says
There is nothing Argentine about the Islands. The people eat fish and chips, they have dinner at 6pm; they are British. The only thing that is remotely Argentine is maybe the landscape that resembles barren Patagonia and the thousands of still active landmines that the Argentine forces left behind.“
”Argentina's policy towards the Malvinas is insane, erratic, senseless,“ said Lanata and blocking the ports is more of the same madness
en.mercopress.com/2012/02/08/turn-on-your-sepoy-detector-and-weed-out-the-anti-malvinas-traitors
Jorge Lanata is an ARGENTINE JOURNALIST
The phrase that “sovereignty will have to be on the agenda *regardless of the wishes of the islanders*” shows how out of touch he is with where we are now. The documents he is citing are selective and of course the big fact that the 1982 invasion changed everything. No UK PM is going to dare to sell the islanders down the river.
As regards Bulgaria, that would surprise no-one. It is nearer and they can get there reasonably easily by car. I'm not really sure what your point was on that one. It is only some of the UK tabloids that are whipping the story up. Economically we are in a different phase compared with the influx of Poles. If they can't get jobs and are being restricted from claiming benefits, that should act as a brake. If they have something worthwhile to offer then fine.
She really should see her doctor if she has those sort of medical problems. I t would be a pity to lose out on her comic relief on these threads
“Argentina needs to integrate the Islands, not isolate them. We have to face up to the fact that we lost the war. Malvinas is not part of Argentina; it is part of our imagination. We're so blinded by years of rhetoric that we can't see reality”.
Finally Lanata believes that the revival of the sovereignty claim is a smokescreen for the belt-tightening the government of Cristina Fernandez has to enforce after almost nine years of uninterrupted growth.
“It's no coincidence, this is the first time in history that a Peronist government has had to put austerity measures in place – they don't know how to do it”.
Mr Jorge Lanata Argentine journalist sure talks alot sense now how long before the Argentine trolls start calling him a trator???
“Distant colonies are an anachronism. Britain will have to negotiate with Argentina because the world will insist on it”
Amen
Simon Jenkins
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/25/falklands-britains-expensive-nuisance
Question: Do you believe in SELF DETERMINATION ?
There's not much to say on the Richard Gott article, the comments below it say everything - in fact I have never seen a Guardian comments page so united against a left-wing viewpoint so you can consider him a massive outlier of British opinion. As for Gott himself I had never heard of him prior to today but was most amused to read his Wikipedia entry.
The Simon Jenkins article has slightly more credibility though his gushing praise for CDK has dated badly. I wonder if he'd write the same thing today?
Ultimately, the point that Argentina keeps missing is that it doesn't matter what the British people think, it only matters what the F.Islanders think. That's called Self Determination. For us to hand the islands over regardless of the wishes of the FI people would require us to be the very colonials you accuse us of being!
According to Private Eye, they are having to make drastic economies in order to keep afloat.
I think some of the comments people posted on the articles were critical of the authors stance. They both had the starting premise that the islands had to be handed “back” to Argentina despite the Southern Arana treaty and the fact that the UK first exercised sovereignty in 1765
www.gov.uk/government/policies/supporting-the-falkland-islanders-right-to-self-determination
Yeah you can get yourself ready for war and suck off all the RG soldiers going to their deaths as a token gesture from the RG government, sort of a going away present. Then when you have a belly full of seamen (get the joke?) you can make sure your Rosie a-hole is good and primed for a good reaming. That's you Sussie, you two bit ugly Jezebel.
'I here to educate the world on truth about Argentina and Malvinas'
Yep-Timmerman's truth invented on the back of an envelope without any referencing to historical documents or what actually happened.
He couldn't educate an amoeba.
It would be a fantastic crowd puller,
And if arranged the tourist will flock to see it,
And CFK can watch in awe.
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Apparently mr tin man, is humiliating Argentina, and is considered a total embarrassment,
They are now the world number one laughing stock,
And her devoted devotees still do not get it,
A total joke.lol.
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The rhetoric about this being a special colonial situation is just nonsense they made up to suit their lies.
they're basically just liars.
Hague rightly points out Bilateral talks are OK but the minute you talk about The Falklands issue then the reps from The Falkland Islands council MUST BE present-now what democratic country would find fault or argumant with that?????
Argentina is the uninvited third party, according to the UN.
Activities, framed in the 180 years of British usurpation of the Malvinas Islands, will begin on Tuesday at the headquarters of the British Parliament, where the meeting will take place on Argentina-Party Parliamentary Group UK.
Timerman Chancellor addition, the meeting will be attended by the chairmen of the committees of the Congress Foreign Affairs, Senator Daniel Filmus and Deputy Guillermo Carmona, as officially reported from Chancery.
The meeting will include, among other things, a historical presentation and a discussion of Argentina's rights, and the inapplicability of the principle of self-determination.
In turn, petitioners state the Argentines before the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations, Alejandro Betts and Marcelo Vernet.
On Wednesday, while, at the official residence of Argentina representation in the UK who chairs the Ambassador Alicia Castro will be the meeting of the 18 European groups that support dialogue.
This group consists of prominent politicians, academics, writers and journalists from Germany, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark, Spain, France, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Czech Republic, United Kingdom, Romania and Sweden.'
noticias.terra.com.ar/politica/timerman-arriba-manana-a-londres-para-la-reunion-de-los-18-grupos-europeos-que-apoyan-el-dialogo,442bb1fb8cd9c310VgnCLD2000000ec6eb0aRCRD.html
I'm sorry, but does Europe even have 18 personalities??
As Rich Hall once said:-
“The Euro is for countries who don't have enough famous people to put on their money”
How can a foreign diplomat be allowed into another country and effectively slag em off,
Who then will look the fools, us or them.
You said: “ I had an Argentine friend, now deceased, who I considered almost my brother”
Where does all the fake love come from?
“Fake relationships and fake people coming up to me and all of a sudden wanting to be my friend”
Page 14.
www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmallparty/register/register.pdf
www.lanacion.com.ar/1551561-timerman-anuncio-su-agenda-en-londres-y-no-incluyo-la-reunion-con-el-canciller
www.opendemocracy.net/celia-szusterman/argentina-y-las-malvinas-in-search-of-reality
Does anyone know what the British-Argentine commity get up to and are they pro Argentina??
Timerman is going to look like a idiot, asking for talks, when he has just turned down talks. Just read some of the comments on Lanacion or Clarin from the RG public.
Anyway just for you guys I found a hilarious video earlier, on press.tv, I wouldn't normally recommend anyone go on Iranian based press.tv as it is very anti-western, but in the video the British guy totally wins the argument, against 2 others, well worth a watch.
www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/01/04/281775/us-colonialism-shored-up-in-latin-america/
Why every time there is a resolution, the UN invites Argentina and Britain to negotiate without mentioning the Islanders? uk has a permanent seat in an OS, pirates go home!!!
You did not answer the question , I asked the pirate Briton!! but anyway, you do not have any answer, because UN never recognized that Pirtes government in Malvinas
All those resolutions were written 50 years ago, before the invasion of the islands and the deaths of 900 people...
Those resolutions were non binding at the time and irrelevant now.
The Falklands have moved on since your invasion, and now have virtually autonomy, relying on Britain only for their defence...From you!!
The UN makes no stipulation as to the content, participants, or outcome of any negotiations. The idea that the UN has mandated discussions on the transfer of sovereignity from which the slanders are to be excluded is just one more Malvinista fantasy among many.
It's not just that these resolutions were non-binding and were rendered redundant by the war. It's that the UK was never in breach of them anyway, and as we have just seen, clearly isn't now.
@112 You're right of course, the UN implicitly recognizes the FIG as a part of the decolonization process. They cannot expect them to decolonize without democratic representation.
The argentines seem to not know very much.
It would be a slaughter, a very advanced and battle proven military VS a unprofessional, massively outdated and weak military.
Ignore the Argentine pedrrast Troll at
@116, its sussie again. Yawn.
Has asked to break relations several times.
Of course Britain will just ignore Argentine provocations.
If UK throws 'em out, they can say “UK will not negotiate”.
FCO office is always open, and Hague will be glad to meet, bringing the appropriate Falkland MLA's should the subject of sovereignty arise.
Perhaps this might help you
Mrs Kirchner drew a parallel between the situation in Palestine and in the Malvinas/Falklands. She was referring to the fact that both Israel and the UK ignore statements of the United Nations general assembly. In fact, if the situations have got anything in common (which they don’t) it could be argue that it is Argentina that holds the most objectionable role, by behaving without any regard for the views of the inhabitants of the territory under dispute. Moreover, it may be worth recalling that all UN resolutions on the islands have been issued by the general assembly, and none by the Security Council (whose resolutions are binding).
End of story. Let's all move on.
Interesting and quite truthful article, coming from an Englishman, ha ha.
www.theprisma.co.uk/2010/09/14/isaac-bigio-from-aiu-%E2%80%9Cin-the-uk-we-all-belong-to-the-same-group-we-have-the-same-traits-and-the-same-problems%E2%80%9D/
“He continues to be defined by his roots”, and I would like him to go back to them.
I did find one thing he said interesting (not that you can trust what he says if that press.tv interview is anything to go by), “Take the Argentinians for example, many of them have European Passports.”
Really? But do we not hear on this website how South American they are, and the Falklanders should go back to (even if they never came from) the UK? Why would Argentinians have European passports?
I think a clue might be found with that well known Argentinian sportsman, Sergio Parisse:
www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Sergio+Parisse+Italy+Rugby+Union+Portrait+xi-43ptmwXCl.jpg
DEJEMO OF # $% $ ... Let us first try a country RELIABLE AND THEN negotiate with diplomacy with judgment and common sense ..... and not a clown like .......... IF CHANCELLOR WE internally as a bag of cats, all against all ...... a people with problems, a DIREGENCIA KORRUPTA, AN uNJUST JUSTICE AND eDUCATION IN DECLINE OF COURSE .............. WANT TO FALKLAND, will not want to be in the condition that Argentines WE ....
What a strange article.
Are they asking for none British citizens to be able to vote in British elections.
”Here those that originate from the English speaking Caribbean are members of the Commonwealth, they have the right to vote in the general elections (something the Spanish, including the wife of the Deputy Prime Minister, Miriam González can’t do)”
Oh let's not get certain whacked-out trolls here started... Have you not heard that AR history is marinated in politically correct New World Special Creationist mythology? If you had, then you'd know they all sprung up from the ground in unison from Buenos Aires to Belgrano Base at their current demographics screaming “Viva Peron!” “Las Malvinas es Argentina” and of course “The Junta wasn't ~our~ fault but this commemorative coin of our... uh... their Dirty War on the usurping pirats is, like, totally wicked kewl!” (that last one losses some gravitias when wrung through Bing Translate but I think we all know that reflects the true Campora fascist nostalgia) before any date on which the UK can provide hard substantial documentation and probably even before house Wessex cornered the local real estate market! None of have any tie to the old world, not even as Berengia Pedestrians. (Say what you will of the Creationists that plague US school boards, they at least accept human migration theory.)
Why to say “to check” if you easy can say “checar”?
Why to say “to park” if you can easy can say “parquear”?
Why to say “to polish” if you can say “polichar”?
Why to say “to walk” if you can say more naturally “uolquear”?
Have in mind boys how easy for “Latinos speakers” would be to write in UK lets see an example, shall we?
“Ai jav tu uolkear ten blox tu arraiv tu mai guorc dis mourninn.”
Just perfect, who is going to have spelling mistakes like this?
www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmallparty/register/argentina.htm
From personal experience, I don't believe he will find any “fellow travellers” here - he would be better off just having his meeting with Hague and the two Falklands legislators.
These are the views of some the members of the committee.
Baroness Hooper: My Lords, I am delighted that the Prime Minister was able to make it quite clear to the President of Argentina that the British people and the British Government stand beside, and behind, the people of the Falkland Islands in deciding their own future.
The teenage Sajid became interested in politics, cheering Mrs Thatcher’s battles for the Falklands and against the NUM
Mike Weatherley, the Conservative Member of Parliament for Hove and Portslade, backs calls to block loans to Argentina, following increasingly aggressive rhetoric against Britain and her sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
Guy Opperman MP: Argentina should accept that the Falklands Islands wish to remain British
The group of visiting British legislators included Lord McNally (Liberal); Lord Faulkner (Labor) and MP Mark Pritchard “”they insisted with kelpers' self determination ”
As an alleged pirate, as you say,
Then thus I am bound not to reply to you,
As pirates have no rights,
Would you like to repeat your intrusive question in bilateral language so I can under stand it in better context as to thither you will an intelligent reply
Thank you.
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Cristina De Kirchner??
“Nazi, schmatzi”, says Hector Timerman.
“UN invites Argentina and Britain to negotiate without mentioning the Islanders”
No wrong-try reading the resolutions with some form of reading aid.
The resolutions clearly state that the Islanders(population) interests are taken into account.
Argentina does not take their interests into account so Argentina breaks the resolutions.
The resolutions are subject to the provisions of the UN Charter, all of which (including the territorial integrity with the UK), support the islanders and not Argentina.
The 'population' refers to the Falkland Islanders in the resolution as strangely enough it refers to the people that live on the islands.
@108
“because UN never recognized that Pirtes government in Malvinas”
Probably because the Malvinas don't exist but the UN Charter applies to everyone as no one is exempt-and all of its provisions support the Falkland Islanders, not colonialist regimes like Argentina
”The resolutions clearly state that the Islanders(population) interests are taken into account.“
The Argentinians are interpreting their ”interests“ as ”what's best for the population“, ie. what Argentina deems is best for the Islanders, not the Kelpers.
Timerman has stated directly that their ”wishes” are not going to be considered.
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