Thursday, February 7th 2013 - 21:44 UTC

Argentina says Falklands’ issue “smells too much like petroleum

Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman said on Thursday that the British government’s position on the Falklands/Malvinas Islands issue “smells too much like petroleum”, revealing that UK’s biggest interest in keeping the invaded archipelago is due to the potential oil findings.

“UK uses the British citizens that live in Malvinas to justify his intransigence”, said Timerman (Photo: Reuters)

Comments came after Timerman trip to London where he interviewed with British MPs, and a group comprised by representatives of 18 European countries that supports Argentina’s sovereignty claims on the Falklands, South Georgia and Sandwich islands.

In conversations with an Argentine radio Timerman insisted that Argentina “has never requested the UK with any conditions in order to negotiate the archipelago’s sovereignty”

Likewise, Timerman bashed UK Primer Minister David Cameron for considering the latter “uses the British citizens that live in Malvinas to justify his intransigence”.

Likewise he added that “should the United Kingdom accept the United Nation resolutions over Malvinas, it won’t take long to see the islands being administrated by Argentina once again.”

“The UN was clear when indicating, in numerous times, that both nations should discuss the matter immediately. Once the UK decides to sit down and talk, it won’t take that long to find a final solution”.

During his lobbying in London, among many other statements, Timerman anticipated that the Falklands would be under Argentine control within twenty years.

Further on he praised the success of the London incursion, despite not having been able to hold bilateral talks with Foreign Secretary William Hague: “because my visit to London, together with Senator Daniel Filmus and Deputy Guillermo Carmona had ample coverage in all the British media as had not happened in decades”.

On Wednesday Timerman also warned oil companies working off the Falkland Islands that Argentina will continue taking legal actions because they are ‘stealing our resources’.

“We will continue to seek legal action against there hydrocarbon companies, they are stealing the natural resources of Argentina”, he said.
 

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1 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:56 pm Report abuse
How to loose friends and alienate people. Gollum steps in that stuff again. Diplomatic visit? Total shambles ..... If this is the best they have its pathetic.
2 CJvR (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
Oh for *******!!!

Will someone declare this moron Persona Non Grata and throw him into the sea! And he can take that witless stewardess along with him.
3 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
Sour grapes anyone?????

What a total KN*B!!!!
4 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
Nice for Argentine internal consumption but useless internationally.

I suppose if it keeps the peasants and the union's mobs at bay for a little longer, why not?
5 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:07 pm Report abuse
[1] ”should the United Kingdom accept the United Nation resolutions over Malvinas, it won’t take long to see the islands being administrated by Argentina once again.”

So in [1] we hear that his belief is that if bilateral negotiations happen, the UK is going to suddenly be so dumbfounded by the strength of argentine arguments and faux-history that we'll immediately lose our moral backbone and give them the islands.

[2] “The UN was clear when indicating, in numerous times, that both nations should discuss the matter immediately. Once the UK decides to sit down and talk, it won’t take that long to find a final solution”.

Well in [2] we find that his belief is that bilateral 'negotiations' where he already said the final solution is argentine administration and he'll accept nothing more, and it will not take long.

So from [1] and [2] we learn that the Argentines truly believe that they bring nothing to a negotiation consisting of the UK and themselves, and bringing nothing to the negotiation they will walk out with everything, including full administration of the islands.

Has he been in a car accident that involved a head injury? or is he just some kind of magical negotiator?

What a knob-end.
6 HansNiesund (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:09 pm Report abuse
He's obviously not read the “ample coverage in all the media”. As a diplomatic effort, this was on a par with George H W Bush puking on Prime Minister Kiichi Miyazawa. Except that wasn't planned.
7 yankeeboy (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
4. I think they forget that they are not just playing for the home audience, it bit CFK pretty hard in the NY courts last time. Her attorneys told her to SFU,

Not a smart people
8 screenname (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:12 pm Report abuse
“it won’t take that long to find a final solution”

Unfortunate turn of phrase.

Maybe it means Argentina will renounce all bizarre claims if they ever sit down and talk.
9 andy65 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:15 pm Report abuse
Why is this man so dam sure of himself??? he should have walked the streets of London and heard some truthful comments from real people.
10 The Cestrian (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
For internal consumption only I think.

The turn of phrase “final solution” is both abhorrent for a Jew to utter and also gives a sinister overtone to what a lot of people are increasingly viewing as a Nazi like regime.

Also utter hypocrisy from Argentina. Their claims over the Falklands was wavering until they smelt oil.
11 Pirate Love (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:22 pm Report abuse
Its not british oil, its the Falklands oil, clearly this clown will try anything, the british are merely protecting the interests, human rights of The Islanders and THEIR resources from thieving desperate argentine scum who have got a whiff of “Petroleum” .
The UK has supported the islanders long before oil was found and will be here long after until such a time that The islanders no longer require our expertise or protection when dealing with genocidal bottom feeders with a taste for other peoples lovely jubbly black gold and to strip their human rights...old habits die hard for argentina.

SELF-DETERMINATION....everyones best friend!
12 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:22 pm Report abuse
@8 The fact he's a jewish guy doesn't detract from the irony.

@7,9 Not that bilateral discussions aren't an anachronism, but I want to know more details about what he would do or say in a bilateral meeting with Hague that would immediately make the UK lose any moral or ethical backbone and wash their hands of the Falklands, etc.

It really does make the mind boggle.
13 Raven (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:26 pm Report abuse
Does Tinman live in this universe, or an alternate reality?

He quite clearly is off his meds with drivel like the above spewing from his mouth.
14 redpoll (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
Article in the BA Herald 123559 According to Tinderfoot the “malvinas” sets a problem for international justice
So I say Take it to the ICJ. But you wont will you as you know you will lose and even in that case will chose to ignore the verdict as Argentina has done on any other cases it has taken to the ICJ
15 Pirate Love (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:35 pm Report abuse
one of timmermans clear objectives is to try and place a wedge between UK government and the Falkland people, by successfuly negoiating direct talks with Hague and leaving F.I govt out in the cold, however hague has proved hes no fool when dealing with argtards and will not entertain such a folly, not bad for a tory, well played sir.
Timmerman we want more entertainment!!!!

SELF-DETERMINATION......nobodys fool!
16 The Cestrian (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
He's a complete tosser. Surely serious world politicians will be cringing at this blokes craic. Pitiful.

RG Land are fast becoming the laughing stock of Planet Earth. Utterly useless.
17 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:47 pm Report abuse
16 The Crestian

Not quite. Serious world politicians take no notice of him. They only cringe at the ones capable of being dangerous.
18 The Cestrian (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:57 pm Report abuse
I've translated some of the Argentine comments on La Nacion regarding Tin Head Man's trip to the UK and his outbursts. He is being roundly ridiculed as a total embarrassment.
19 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
The obvious fact is that it won’t take long to see the islands being administrated by Argentina once again. Because Hector is going to do that thing and say that thing and the whole of the UK will agree with him, including all the soldiers who were involved in the war Argentina lost.

It's all so clear now.
20 Lord Ton (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
Oil ?? They were saying that 30 years ago. Can't Argentina come up with anything new ??
21 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:15 pm Report abuse
@20 They could claim St Helena. That would be new.
22 AzaUK (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:16 pm Report abuse
UK holds most the Card and the few Card Argentina hold are jokers (and red)

Just think what would happen if UK went to argentina preached to them about how the Falklands are British there would be riots, does show to prove which nations civilized and accepting to other peoples believes
23 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:20 pm Report abuse
@22 We never would do that. Timmerman, KFC, Ahmadinejad, Chavez, et cetera are all populists whose main tool is ranting to the uneducated masses.

It doesn't work with educated people like British and telling us 'obvious' lies goes against our sensibilities. Just think of Blair telling everyone that he was protestant, the dossier doctor hung himself, and Rupert Murdoch wasn't his best friend as examples.
24 Dean street (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:33 pm Report abuse
“During his lobbying in London, among many other statements, Timerman anticipated that the Falklands would be under Argentine control within twenty years.”

If a snowball actually survives in hell...and he got his wish..

I know it is crazy, as he’ll never ever get his wish, ..

However the hypothetical question I'd like to know is that if we Falkland Islanders stayed on, and then we completely and totally ignored the argentines, and simply carried on in our unique way, that is:

We paid our taxes to FIG, not argentina,
We continued to drive on the right and not on the left,
we continued to obey the laws of the FIG and not argentina,
We carry on electing our own MLA’s,
We carry on making our own laws, we carry on attending international conferences as the Falkland Islands and not as islas malvinas,
we carry on flying our flags etc), we behaved as though these people and their institutions did not exist.

What would or could argentina do..?

Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
25 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:39 pm Report abuse
@24 resort to ethnic cleansing via Montevideo or chucking you drugged out of planes if they follow their typical modus operandi. You'd be replaced by La Campora gimps who would inevitably turn the place into a right sh!t hole.

Did you not see the TV advert from the president where they showed what it would be all spanish speaking and everyone 'non-latin' had been removed / shot.
26 golfcronie (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:47 pm Report abuse
Timerman says“ has never requested the UK with any conditions in order to negociate the archepelagoes sovereignty”. No but the Argentinian Government has, Constitution comes to mind.
27 Monty69 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
24 Dean street

I've asked that question on here several times and never got an answer.

Just how do you set about subjugating a population in this day and age?
They just haven't thought it through properly.

I'll ask it again though. What would you do, Argentines? How do you see it working out when we carry right on flying our flag, teaching our British/Falkland curriculum, voting for our own council, following our own laws, sending athletes to the Commonwealth games etc. What are you planning to do? Start arresting people?
28 slattzzz (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:50 pm Report abuse
I reckon he's been sniffing petroleum
29 Baxter (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
I hope he found time to buy some good English shirts and a good suit . That will make his trip worthwhile !
30 Shed-time (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:54 pm Report abuse
@24 Here it is [1]. You'll be able to see their plan for the Islands with anyone anglo destroyed and latin-folk added.

@26 He said the expected outcome is the islands being administrated by Argentina once again. This is a clearly defined outcome, therefore a condition.

[1] www.youtube.com/watch?v=adl3dfiH6ug
31 Lord Ton (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 11:56 pm Report abuse
www.penguin-news.com/index.php?option=com_flexicontent&view=items&id=499

:-)
32 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 12:11 am Report abuse
Hi Deanstreet, its me wondering where Juanas photos are. Great site lots of coverage of Gollums non visit to London..
They really are a joke and no threat to FI although they do whinge too much.
33 slattzzz (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 12:17 am Report abuse
Oh dear ref the xenophobic chanting a story has just appeared in Clarin that the rg's started it, a video was put on you tube 2 years ago showing rg police cadets chanting “beware Chile we will come to your homes, slit your throats and drink your blood” and then strangely “eat your underwear” (might be a loose translation me thinks but you never know with these wierdos) Poor rgenweener always the victim eh?
34 golfcronie (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 12:53 am Report abuse
Timerman threatening to sue the oil companies prospecting for oil in the FALKLANDS. I wonder in which court will the papers be served. Good luck with that.
35 Anbar (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 01:01 am Report abuse
“”“”“ Surely serious world politicians will be cringing at this blokes craic. Pitiful.”“”“

Bear in mind he INST a politician... he's a journalist, well a ”hack“ in truth, who has been ”promoted to a point of total incompetence”.

its not like hes got any training or experience in the job.
36 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 01:03 am Report abuse
@7

From the rumours I'm hearing, there may not be a New York city two days from now...

LOL, and you were laughing about some bad storms in Buenos Aires and Mendoza. Three months ago you got ruined by a hurricane and now you are about to get buried.

Enjoy your climate change... hahahahaha.
37 Rufus (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 01:05 am Report abuse
The news stories you can find these days...

www.dailysquib.co.uk/world/3804-bankrupt-argentina-wants-to-move-whole-country-to-falklands-for-uk-benefits-culture.html
38 Shed-time (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 01:10 am Report abuse
@36 Why are you laughing about Hector Timmerman's home town and all his family getting drenched?
39 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 01:15 am Report abuse
Look who is here, the bloke who's the author of the quote of the month (even if there are 22 days to go or so):

“We are really talking about the opression of peoples and repression of their self-determination, which we all know to be 'morally' wrong by the meters of western culture.”

That would be the western culture that INVENTED the denial of self-determination of people's NOT EVEN FROM THEIR OWN CONTINENT.

To quote you again, you Euromorons, are interesting case study in delusion to the umpteenth power.
40 Shed-time (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 01:22 am Report abuse
@39 What you talking about willis? Are you delving the depts of the the 'Chagossian Straw Man', claiming that no one can learn their lessons? Delving into the Latin American Chauvinism?

The difference between Argentina and the UK is we know our past, whereas you deny yours.

In 2013 self-determination is good, celebrate that.
41 golfcronie (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 01:29 am Report abuse
@39 Nostro
Earlier you said and I quote ” Went to war with Brazil and won ( Brazil lost Uruguay and most of Iguazu Falls )
Then I quote “ went to war with United Kingdom over Falkands and lost” You forgot to say the result of that. I can tell you. You were humiliated and lost the any claim on the FALKLANDS. Get over it
42 andy65 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 01:33 am Report abuse
@39 Nostrolldamus. My friend I have to keep reminding you that you are a country of European immigrints you need to come to terms with your history.

ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
43 Shed-time (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 01:46 am Report abuse
It's very weird how Argentinians wet the bed when they hear their myth about people being sent off the islands in droves... they literally wet themselves, with a big round wee stain.

However, when they hear about the reality of 99% of the patagonians being put to the sword and being shot ... including women and children... they celebrate like you've never seen before, with kissing of bank-notes and everything.

They basically love death and myths.
44 reality check (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 02:12 am Report abuse
Petroleum, the smell of freedom!

Much as I hate to say this, he is right! Give him his bilateral talks and this will not take long.

Mr T. When can we have the islands?

Mr H, When hell freezes over, now fuck off!

See, didn't take long, did it?
45 slattzzz (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 02:41 am Report abuse
Argentina says Falklands’ issue “smells too much like petroleum“
And Britain says” Rgenweener smells to much like losers and POOH! Now fook off”
46 neutral_observer (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 02:43 am Report abuse
Little dogs. Yip yap yip yip yap. Always heel nipping. What else can you do when you're a little dog?

The noise is getting louder.....must be an Argentine election coming up.
47 slattzzz (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 02:48 am Report abuse
Napalm that smells of petroleum, would you like a sniff or maybe the smell of a typhoons afterburners aviation fuel?
48 reality check (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 02:49 am Report abuse
Vote for Christina, get your 100 peso notes here!

I know, the going rate was 50, but that was before inflation, better hold them soon, or it's going to cost her more!
49 bushpilot (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:07 am Report abuse
There is something I just never understood about this Falklands issue. Maybe someone can explain it to me.

The Argentine govt. keeps saying, “we just want to talk, we just want to talk, we just want to talk”, and on & on & on.

But, it is clear, they want to occupy and have complete sovereignty over those islands. This has already been communicated.

What exactly is it they would “talk” about?
50 Boovis (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 05:49 am Report abuse
They want to talk about when we can give them the islands, nothing else. They don't want to negotiate anything as their constitution states any talks can only end in them having the islands, they don't want the people to be able to decide anything for themselves (which hints that they wouldn't have democracy under Argie occupation either...?!) They want to sit and spout lie after lie about what happened and when, call the UK a country of imperialists and then state how they want to force themselves on another population without realising the irony.
51 Idlehands (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 06:19 am Report abuse
He's not wrong, there is the smell of oil, but it's the most blatant example of projection imaginable. What sort of argument is “you won't give us your islands because there's oil there”

He's totally bonkers.
52 DanyBerger (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 07:38 am
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53 MrFlagpole (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 07:46 am Report abuse
Does this man not have a real job?

I mean if you look at our foreign Secretary's diary he's all over the world. This guy just seems to talk shit about the Falklands.
54 reality check (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 08:16 am Report abuse
DB
Like I always say, we can depend on you to demonstate with great eloquence the reason why the Falkland Islanders, or any other person for that matter, would never by choice, live under Argentine sovereignty.
55 M's Bulldog (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 08:45 am Report abuse
@52 Dany Burger
You are a pathetic little balding man who can't do Jack diddly except rant behind your keyboard.

You need certifiable sectioning under the mental health act, if there is such an act in Argentina. Now go and take your medication before you kill your family.
56 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 08:50 am Report abuse
This is the new RG tactic/strategy to make out to the world that the UN resolutions, back Argentine sovereignty. Totally not true they ask both parties to talk and come up with a solution. The UN would never want the islanders to be ruled by Argentina against their will, it goes against what the UN stands for..

Yet another Sneaky / deceitful RG tactic.
57 reality check (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 09:17 am Report abuse
The referendum will take place, matters not whether they recognise it, it is not for their benefit it is for the benefit of the Islanders.
They will go back to the UN and no doubt try to have it declared invalid and illegal.
The usual states will come on side with them, those with similiar sovereignty problems and old imperial axes to grind, but the vast majority, will see it for what it is, a legal excercise of democratic process as enshrined within the charter.
I for one am looking forward to seeing it? the Argentine Ambasssador to the UN lecturing the members on the meaning of Article 1:2. Trying to convince them, that in fact there are cases, where Human Rights only apply to some and not others. He might even, just might, list those people. It would be poor tactics to say it is only the Falkland Islanders who do not have those rights. God forbid, they would leave themself open to accusations of bias and discrimination.
It is truly astounding that they have no idea how this is going to make them look to the rest of the world, what is even more astounding is, they actually believe what they are saying.
58 bushpilot (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 10:10 am Report abuse
@50 Bovis “call the UK a country of imperialists”

It is interesting that the Argentine Govt. would call the UK imperialists on the Falklands issue.

There haven't been any Argentine people on that land for over 180 years, if even then.

The Argentine Govt. wants to take land they have no claim to and subjugate or expel the population of that land. They are definitely playing the role of imperialist fascists.
59 lsolde (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 10:13 am Report abuse
l'm glad that you can smell oil, Timeridiot.
Because that's what will be surging out of the ground, making us all very rich & making you even more jealous & angry.
So it has a double benefit! lol
l can't decide what colour my new Mercedes will be, red or silver.
Just have to buy two of them, won't l?
Just think malvinistas, you could have had some of this wealth, but dear old Nestor tore up the agreements because he believed it was all or nothing.
Well you dipped out, its not “all” its “nothing” for you. We get the “all”.
60 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 10:27 am Report abuse
'Lords and Commons will visit us in July what hurts and what doesn't
Filmus referred to the “Declaration of Ushuaia”
London.-the Frente para la Victoria national Senator Daniel Filmus said in London that the vindication of the sovereignty of our country over the Malvinas Islands is a matter not of Government but of the Argentine people and, therefore, a State policy: “there isn't a party that is can claim the defence of the Falklands; all leaders will respond that sovereignty is not negotiable”.
The Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee recalled that all forces represented at the Congress endorsed the “Declaration of Ushuaia”, which ratifies the Argentine sovereignty over the Islands, and that repudiates the British militarist position and the exploration and exploitation of natural resources in the South Atlantic. Guillermo Carmona - head Commission of relations outside of Deputies--highlighted the rally held on Tuesday with members of the Chambers of the Lords and the common British. There, they agreed that these visit Buenos Aires in July and Argentine legislators to travel to London in November. “Does not meet the expectations of a dialogue between the ministries of Foreign Affairs, but it is a step forward,” he said. And it was considered that the legislators of both countries can help build an agenda to future that allows achieving effective bilateral negotiations and achieve concrete agreements. Jeremy Corbyn (British Labour Party) also leaned through negotiation: “there must be a solution to the conflict and should be through dialogue”....'

www.lagaceta.com.ar/nota/532183/politica/lores-comunes-nos-visitaran-julio-que-perjudica-no.html
61 War Monkey (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 10:59 am Report abuse
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viveza_criolla

Well anyway yes. Yes the Argentine position does stink of petroleum. Petroleum and Viveza criolla.
62 Conqueror (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 11:04 am Report abuse
@36 Well, well, well, nostril. No comments on the actual subject of the article? How unlike you. And now you are hoping for what? That God or the planet will be on argieland's side? Here's some news. God gave up on you lot a long time ago. And now, just like ancient Egypt, you are suffering the plagues of peronists! And, amazingly, “the world” doesn't seem to be on your side either. No “leaders of the world” leaping to your support. Has your “economy” suddenly improved? How about your “industry”? Got your wheelbarrow ready to take your pesos out to buy a loaf of bread?
@39 More vague “diversions”? If we've done so many things wrong, how come you do the same things? How come our inflation is less than 3% and yours is headed for 30%? Why isn't the argie peso a reserve currency? When was the last time international lenders refused to loan Britain money? What are the qualifications for being like you and your “government”? An IQ of less than 50?
63 War Monkey (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 11:33 am Report abuse
@56 Steve-33-uk (#)
Feb 08th, 2013 - 08:50 am

Yes but they have form on this.. 1982. So far as the Argentine people were concerned they had won. It was a done deal. The British wouldn't come. Then the British did come but it was okay because the British got their arses kicked. The Argentines were winning and winning and winning. They just kept on winning and then one day, totally unexpected, totally and inexplicably. They lost.

So accusing others of doing exactly what they are doing is standard practice. Lying and theiving are a way of life and a cultural more. Racism is good, it is applauded in Malvinista Land. Falkland Islanders are not the same as other Latin Americans so they must be driven out, persecuted, threatened, invaded, destroyed.

Only they can't do that becase Mother is watching very closely, protecting. She was a little negligent in 1982, took her eye off the ball but not today. How do you think the rabid nazis in Argentina must feel about that? Their mouths are frothing, their eyes are bulging and Timerman's weasel words must be filling them with hope and great expectation. They are winning. Again. They think they are winning. Again. Even as their country dilapidates around them, KFC, Timerman, the whole Argentine government is telling them what they want to hear, whispering beautiful things, nurturing this national obsession and fleecing Argentina whilst the people aren't looking.

They aren't getting the Falkland Islands and their government knows it. The people don't.
64 GALlamosa (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 11:33 am Report abuse
So how much petroleum was ther in 1776 when the British first settled ?
How much petroleum was there in 1833 when the British finally settled on a permanent basis ?
How much petroleum was there in 1849 whe the UK and Argentina signed the Act of Settlement ?
How much petroleum was there in the 1950's when Peron started his Malvinas campaign ?
How much petroleum was there in 1982 when Argentina invaded and got their asses kicked ?

The answer to all of the above of course is none (well I guess it was there, but nobody knew even what it was in the earlier days, and didn't know it was there later).

So just another line of bull**** designed to take the concentrated stare off fundamental human rights and self determination......and that loverly referendum that looks like it might sink Tinman.
65 Orbit (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 11:43 am Report abuse
@61 Viveza criolla indeed. Figures why they are at the wrong end of yet another list:

www.cafonline.org/publications/2012-publications/world-giving-index-2012.aspx
66 Shed-time (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
I'm still unsure about what Timmerghoul is going to say or do in negotiations that's going to be so powerful that it makes the UK lose any moral or ethical backbone that we've ever had?

How's he going to make us negotiate away someone else's land? He seems quite convinced he can, but as a failed journalist and failed politician and prolific usurer I'm personally not sure what would happen in bilateral negotiations, given that he's bringing sod all to the table.

From what I remember about negotiation, this would be a distributive negotiation (zero-sum), with one party bringing nothing and the other party giving away everything. This win-lose scenario isn't dependent on anything that Argentina brings to the table, because they have nothing.

The only factor determining the outcome would therefore be what is said or done in the actual negotiation. So what is he going to say or do that is so powerful?

Also the ZOPA (zone of possible agreement) for the UK in 1970s has changed dramatically, it is now is 'whatever the islanders want goes', for the Islanders it is 'whatever the referendum says' and for Argentina it is 'we want absolute sovereignty'

This isn't a negotiation.

The three main strategies for getting someone to the table in the first place: Offer Incentives; Put a price on the Status Quo; and Enlist Support. Well, Argentina doesn't really have anything anyone needs, and given their recent behaviour have taken away everything making the islanders self-sufficient to many extents. The cost of not negotiating is not high, because we don't really have a huge amount of trade with Argentina and we don't trust them. Enlisting support has failed for Argentina, because they thought the UN security council would do something and they didn't.

.... and what they forget is that no-one trusts them, because their culture fundamentally promotes going back on agreements and treaties.

I really don't understand Timmerghoul.
67 golfcronie (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 01:20 pm Report abuse
Dany Berger
Think he must have a bit of horse in him. I can guess where. Probably about 30%
But neigh I hear you say
They have removed all the bergers off the shelves in UK
68 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
Yes indeed,

In 1833 when the British “usurped” the islands, it was all about petroleum. In 1982 when they reclaimed the islands it was all about petroleum. In 2010 when they first discovered petroleum it was all about petroleum,,,and in 2017 when the islanders get 100% of the revenues from the petroleum..Britains position will all be about the petroleum!!

Of course i say usurped:

59 people left the islands on January 6th 1833
55 of them were forced
All 55 had arrived just 7 weeks previously
They were a militia not a civilian group
They had already mutineed, murdered and raped.

There was NO usurption
No original population expelled
No rightful claim for a “continent to feel”
69 GALlamosa (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
Petroleum in 1833 ?????? Are you completely bonkers ??
70 redpoll (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 03:34 pm Report abuse
@67 Re dunnys equine connections. I think they are probably sheer pantomime.
Is Dunny the front end of an ass? NO
Is Dunny the back end of an ass ?NO!!!!
Folks, Dunny is just no end of an ass
71 Britishbulldog (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
The mans a prize prick who should be dropped from an helicopter form a great height no into the sea but right over that other twat his boss the plastic faced bitch thats taken Argentina to the edge of oblivion. What a bunch of morons the Argys are to elect a twat like her who then employs other twats like Timerman who does not know is arse from his elbow to help her sink Argentina even further. Will no one rid the world of people like them.
72 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:27 pm Report abuse
'The British governor Malvinas answered “20 years” that raised Timerman - Nigel Haywood said that the answer to whether the islands return to Argentine control the citizens who will live there in the plebiscite, highlighted the support of the British government'
www.lanacion.com.ar/1552987-el-gobernador-britanico-en-malvinas-respondio-a-los-20-anos-que-planteo-timerman

'European groups agreed actions to open the debate in their countries Malvinas'
www.telam.com.ar/notas/201302/7128-grupos-europeos-acordaron-acciones-para-abrir-el-debate-sobre-malvinas-en-sus-paises.html

'Khurshid meets Argentinian president - The Argentinian president “thanked the Government of India for its support to Argentina in the IMF censure voting as well as on the Malvinas issue”, said a statement here Friday.'
www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetails/2013/02/08/399--Khurshid-meets-Argentinian-president-.html
73 Karl101 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
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74 D_45 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 05:03 pm Report abuse
Isolde
still dreaming?....189 years for what?
A Malvinas House with 40 rooms,
some apartment project...
fish and chips...
75 Shed-time (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 05:12 pm Report abuse
@72 Do you not get the impression that the Argentines are completely and utterly forgetful of the fact they caused a war, and in turn poisoned the minds of most british towards them? In one of your articles Alessandro Betts talks of rapprochement with the islanders, as if anyone there is going to forget him and his ways.

I sometimes think they're all a bit wrong in the head.
76 reality check (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 05:13 pm Report abuse
Your missing the point, they are their fish and chip shops and you want them. Simple anology, but it works for me.
77 Shed-time (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 05:22 pm Report abuse
“The parable according to the Traitor”

'The man of timmer stepped into the road, only to see a man crying the dry tears of loneliness and regret. He stoop'ed to ask 'why for art thou in tears?'
”because I have turn'ed my back on my friends, family and everyone, in order to receive the clipped coin of the fascists'.

'that was the right choice' sayeth the man of timmer, before flying off to the York of New to check on his gold bullion and derivatives'
78 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
@75 Shed-time

In one of the RG articles yesterday someone was complaining that Timerman was too hard line and that the Islanders would start gaining international sympathy. So I guess now they are trying to appear to be nicer, its all a con. You are right they are wrong in the head.
79 D_45 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
@75
66% of the USA citizens regrets invading Iraq?
I believe the UK is in the same position!
80 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
'Falklands: British military presence should worry Brazil, Argentine Foreign Minister says'
www.portogente.com.br/texto.php?cod=77032

'Agreed actions for discussion by Falklands - European groups agreed in London try sovereignty of the islands with their MEPs generate debate in their countries and advance the possibility of achieving a rapprochement with the inhabitants of the archipelago.'
www.diariobae.com/diario/2013/02/08/23772-acordaron-acciones-para-el-debate-por-malvinas.html
81 Xect (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
It's funny because he's so silly.

It's like watching a comedy show only the lead star (Tinman) doesn't realise he's in it and everyone else is having a good laugh at his expense whilst he wonders around thinking he's making a difference.

Nobody and I mean nobody is taking this seriously.....
82 Boovis (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 06:07 pm Report abuse
@80 I like the fact they mention the only 6 names that aren't Argies :D
83 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
'Argentina’s Terrible Week: IMF Censure, Price Controls, and Court Rulings'
blog.heritage.org/2013/02/08/argentinas-terrible-week-imf-censure-price-controls-and-court-rulings/

Interesting Russian article...
'New outbreak of Falkland Islands (Malvinas) war'
english.ruvr.ru/2013_02_08/New-outbreak-of-Falkland-Islands-Malvinas-war/
84 gee_again (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
@83

try to cope with ciber attack in the USA?
85 ana maria (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
@84
is a Cyber attack presently in the USA
# 83 don't care about it.
86 Brit Bob (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
Earlier this week Hector Timerman said that 'the Falkland Islanders didn't exist.' But now on his twitter account he's saying,'UK Gov not care about Malvinas people. UK only care about the oil in Argentina Malvinas waters. World know this truth!'
87 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
@84 gee_again
No idea what you're talking about?

@Brit Bob
As pointed out @78 a change of tactics towards the islanders? I think not, just a front. The RG Govt is a joke...
Keep up the good work BTW;)
88 Shed-time (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
@86 is he bipolar? He doesn't seem to be able to make up his mind. Are his attempts to 'divide and conquer' sh!t or what?
89 lost1 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
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90 slattzzz (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
oh look sussie changed her name again, what a waste of oxygen, we all know it's you by your stupid comments so just stick to the same name and stop making a bigger arse out of youself than you are already and probably have. Mercopress must have your ip address might have to consider reporting you for being a schizoprenic ten times over. FFS have the guts to stick to the same name arsehole. That goes for all you trolls
91 yoli_99 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
@90 slattzz
try to do what you said.
92 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
'The islanders believe that will not reach any agreement with the government of Cristina Kirchner - They told the two legislators Clarín archipelago who traveled to London to meet with Timerman and failed. In addition, they hope to talk “with a reasonable Argentine government sometime in the future” to “have serious discussions.”
www.clarin.com/politica/llegaran-acuerdo-gobierno-Cristina-Kirchner_0_862113993.html

'Malvinas: Crisis and indebtedness English'
www.eldiariodecarlospaz.com/ampliar_noticia_redis.php?id_noti=16527

'Britain feared threats to their rugby team in the test against the Pumas'
www.clarin.com/politica/Gran-Bretana-amenazas-seleccion-Pumas_0_862113960.html

'Bulldog Cameron's talk of war keeps Falklands solution in the kennel'
www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/bulldog-camerons-talk-of-war-keeps-falklands-solution-in-the-kennel-8487461.html
93 yoli_99 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
@92 stew overcooked UK
Keep the Islas Malditas in you british arse!
94 golfcronie (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 10:51 pm Report abuse
@93
Have you nothing intelligent to say. You need to get an aducation, or did they teach you that in school.
95 malen (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 11:28 pm Report abuse
92 Página 12 is officialist and not what it was years ago
the same applies to Clarín, that since its an opponnent media to the gov, its not the same “independent” media that it was years ago, specially in some areas.
all you read must be in the context of who writes it. Some writers of Clarín dont even deserve attention.
96 slattzzz (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 11:28 pm Report abuse
@91 Sussie I've always been slattzzz never changed it once so if you feel the need to keep changing your name because you can't justify your arguements then that's up to you, maybe it's because you know your wrong, or maybe it's because you've been exposed as a crackhead sponging off the US, I don't know but you'd be more respected if you just stuck to the same name and took the abuse that your comments deserve. Didn't your time in the USN teach you that or have you forgotten your claims to be in the USN in your drug induced world, I haven't !!!
97 redpoll (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 12:28 am Report abuse
Sussie. You are a good comedienne but we are getting bored with you dishing out the same old slush. New routine please madam - and I use the word advisedly
98 Leiard (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 07:49 am Report abuse
@95 malen

So are you saying that any news paper not supporting the government should be banned ?

Should we believe everything that is printed in Telam ?

So Clarin is no longer the trusted source of information as it was when it supported the government years ago ?
99 kelperabout (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 11:23 am Report abuse
Steeling the natural resourses from Argentina they claim.
We are not stupid . We Islanders have always know that the dispute has never been really over implanted people or British trying to steel the Falklands but over OIL . We have known for a very, Very long time that the Greedy Argentines took control of the coast line of their Country because they knew almost 150 years ago that one day this area would be rich in the resources extracted from or under the seas of the South Atlantic. Nearly all wars and disputes of soveriegnty have started either from Religeon or Oil.
Sorry Argentina but as it happens this is our patch and you will never get your hands on it in any legal form anytime soon or indeed in the very distant future.
The Falklands are just beginning a period of wealth that will cement our very existance. While Argentina has reached the top of their mountain and are now falling back down again and they need any resourse they can get their hands on. Sorry but what belongs to the Falklads is for it's people.
100 DanyBerger (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 12:39 pm Report abuse
@Leiard

“Clarin Miente” and “La Destruccion” have never been a trusted source of anything so what you have discovered?
101 slatz (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
@96
can you stop me?
102 Monty69 (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 10:11 pm Report abuse
95 malen

''all you read must be in the context of who writes it''

Well, it's taken you a good long while to work that one out, but you got there in the end.
Perhaps you'd like to pass that information on to your compatriots on here who get very excited when the Guardian or Independent publish some anti- Falklands opinion piece?
103 jon and johnie (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 12:51 am Report abuse
THE ISLANDS SMELL LIKE BRITSH CRAP!
104 Cristina Lopez (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 02:28 am Report abuse
@104
that is the only thing the Islanders do all the time...CRAP
105 DanyBerger (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
@Leiard

ClarinMiente, La destrucción and all media in the world publish what is useful for them or the interest they represent.

Always have been like this and will be like this.

@kelperabout

Oil will not last forever, how long do you think if you find enough oil you can live from that?

Then what? Are you planing to buy a house close to the Dick’s retirement house in France?

You are living a illusion that will never materialised at least for the whole islander population maybe you have personal interest involved in the oil stuff and the rest what?

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