Monday, February 11th 2013 - 02:45 UTC

Uruguay has interests in Falklands, beyond the UK/Argentina territorial dispute

Uruguayan opposition lawmakers, as from the rest of the continent will be travelling to the Falklands as observers of the referendum scheduled for next March 10/11 “to see the legitimacy of the process and results” but also because Uruguay has interests that go beyond the territorial dispute between Argentina and the UK.

Jaime Trobo: understanding the political realities of the South Atlantic

“The purpose of the trip is to see the legitimacy of the process, characteristics, results notwithstanding what we believe about the sovereignty of the Malvinas Islands”, said Uruguayan lawmaker Jaime Trobo from the main opposition National Party.

He explained that all observers from the American continent will be travelling to the Falklands invited by an NGO, “and from all political tendencies with that only purpose of assessing the legitimacy of the whole process”.

 Trobo admitted that most probably the presence of foreign lawmakers as observers of the referendum will disappoint the Argentine government which describes the ballot as illegal, illegitimate and with no validity and probably the Uruguayan officials “who share Argentina’s view of the dispute”.

 “That’s fine for the government, but the truth is that we have no commitments with this (Uruguayan) government’s foreign policy. We are not compromising the Uruguayan State, or its position on the sovereignty issue. The fact is that it is a process which we must see with our own eyes”, insisted Trobo.

 Remaining absent from such an initiative, such an event “and closing our eyes to something we know exists, to a population that has been there for over 150 years and is deeply linked to Uruguay, would be not to understand political realities”.

 “I believe Uruguay must stand very close to the inhabitants of the Malvinas, of its legislative assembly, of its government of the Islands’ community since it is a strategic point in the relation of the Malvinas with the world”, added Trobo.

Further on he said that “Montevideo is the closest friendliest port and from here we provide the Malvinas people many services, some of them study in Uruguay, and receive medical attention at the British Hospital. What is most clear is that Uruguay has interests that go far beyond the dispute over the territory and this we must strengthen”.
 

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1 Lou Spoo (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 03:27 am Report abuse
“the presence of foreign lawmakers as observers of the referendum will disappoint the Argentine government”

Is this the much vaunted South American solidarity the Argentines are always banging on about?
2 ajoknoblauch (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 04:41 am Report abuse
While the Islanders should certainly appreciate the Uruguayans' interest, the “closest friendliest port” is Punta Arenas.
3 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 05:55 am Report abuse
“Remaining absent from such an initiative, such an event “and closing our eyes to something we know exists, to a population that has been there for over 150 years and is deeply linked to Uruguay, would be not to understand political realities”.

“I believe Uruguay must stand very close to the inhabitants of the Malvinas, of its legislative assembly, of its government of the Islands’ community since it is a strategic point in the relation of the Malvinas with the world””

Well said, Mr. Trobo!!

“Reality”, there's a refreshing word. Will never hear it from Argentina, they have their own 'interests' in the Falklands.
4 Gordo1 (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 08:32 am Report abuse
Bravo!
5 Shed-time (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 08:51 am Report abuse
Sensibility and common sense have returned to the region. Hooray, hooray and thrice hooray!
6 Britworker (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 09:24 am Report abuse
They are all starting to shift positions, when that oil starts flowing, Uruguay wants a bite of the pie and they know their port is in a very useful position. Self determination is a very sound foundation to build relations on. Thats maybe the reason they have been hosting HMS Protector recently. Sorry Argies!
7 LEPRecon (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 09:30 am Report abuse
It's refreshing to hear Uruguayan politicians speaking their mind.

The current government won't be in power for ever, and probably won't be if their president keeps making inane comments such as those about inflation.

Uruguay, Chile and Brazil are all in good locations, and could profit immensely from trading with the Falkland Islands, even more so when the oil starts flowing.

Argentina could share in this trade, if they weren't too busy cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

In March, the world will see and take note of what the Falkland Islanders want. Not what Britain or Argentina want, but what the Islanders themselves want.

Now is the time for the governments of Chile, Uruguay and Brazil to start moving away from the embarrassing antics of the Argentine government and show the world that they believe in democracy and the rule of international law.

And to the Argentines on this forum. If you have an issue about sovereignty, take it to the ICJ, no one else is interested in you self-deluded lies anymore.
8 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 11:40 am Report abuse
Sense and sensibility, but not from a government.
9 wangito (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 12:16 pm Report abuse
#2.....“the Uruguayans' interest, the “closest friendliest port” is Punta Arenas.”
Now that the Uruguayans have annexed Punta arenas, I suppose that they are going to demands over the Falklands...Brilliant! .Never thought of such idea!!!
10 DanyBerger (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
Jaime Trobo is a shame for Uruguay while the govt. refuses to recognise the referendum he is looking for Photo oppo.

He should be declared “Persona non Grata” and banned to enter into Argentina soil for life.
11 Anbar (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
Dany, yes we all know about Argentina's version of “democracy” - where dissenting voices are shouted down, removed or locked-up.

But this is the real world where democracy means that people are allowed to have dissenting opinions and you cannot just muzzle them.
12 Conqueror (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 01:15 pm Report abuse
@10 Awww, shame. More people that don't “support” argieland's illegitimate, invalid and nonsensical “claims”? Argieland being sidelined? Or, more accurately, seen as irrelevant.

Just to be picky, you can't “enter” soil unless you dig a hole, moron. But, aside from that, are you trying to suggest that there are many people that go to argieland through choice? I know that some tourists go in order to watch a “country” imploding and in denial. Nobody needs to be declared “persona non grata”. Just give them an excuse not to go there. Mention the failing industry or agriculture. Or the inflation and rate of exchange. Or the corruption and street crime. The riots and the murder of tourists.
13 Musky (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 01:16 pm Report abuse
@10 DanyBerger
Mr Trobo comments are well reasoned, your Malvinista chums are Ostertriches with their heads in the sand to not realise that South American does not speak with one voice. Mr Trobo is welcome at my house (cardiff, uk) any time he's passing!
14 Britishbulldog (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
Hey burger man why not go the whole hog and kidnap him and then throw him bound from a helicopter from a great height after all you know you all would like to do that its in all of your DNA.
15 reality check (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
When an Argentine want's to hear someones opinion, they will tell them it what it is. Works well for KFC.
16 malen (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
May be Mr Trobo would agree if britishs living in Uruguay make a referendum to declare self determination and reclaims sovereignity over perhaps why not Pta del Este, displacing its people and authorities. How many generations had been the british in Uruguay?? Why not?? And he surelly would apply for observer and not complain at all.
17 golfcronie (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
@16
Malen, you are just being silly now, you know we only want the FALKLANDS for the oil and fish. Hold on did that come across as being cynical?
We must keep the Scottish within the UK for the HAGGIS
18 Shed-time (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
@16 That's the worst strawman fallacy that I've ever seen or at least it's up there with them.

The UN in all its wisdom insists on the use of referenda as an expression of self-determination, hence decolonisation. If you look at tokelau, they just had a referendum, or two asking if they wanted to continue to be associated with New Zealand. It's the same for the Falklands, just asking if they want to remain associated with the British. It's the final part of decolonisation.

You're just trying to pretend the referendum is asking something else because you're trying to weaken it in some way, through befuddlement of the question. But you will fail, and look a tool in the process.
19 Brit Bob (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 06:04 pm Report abuse
'Montevideo is the closest friendliest port' said the Man from Uruguay.

Oh Cristina look what you've done...
20 redpoll (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
@16 Brits in ROU demanding a referendum? Ridiculous. Punta del Este? Perhaps we should be worried about all those rich Argentines establishing gated rich ghettos there and in Colonia, some of whom are Kirchnerite fatcats spending thier illgotten dollars in Uruguay
Malen WE ARE NOT A PROVINCEof ARGENTINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those of us whether of Gallego, Italian or British descent are quite happy to be Uruguayans.
My ancestors came to this country in 1811.
When did your forbears emigrate to Argentina
Pointless as I know you wont answer that question
21 briton (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
Uruguay
falklands,

not malvinas.
22 ChrisR (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
The government of Uruguay will, hopefully, be changing for the better in 2014.

Again, hopefully, the likes of Pepe, the dreadful Almagro (sock puppet to TMBOA since he was Ambassador to The Dark Country) and the Finance Minister whose name escapes me (fortunately) will also be in the past.

By then of course the result of the referendum will have had chance to work through the politics of the matter in AR. By then perhaps TMBOA will be gone as well: we can but hope.

So I am not surprised that the trolls are crapping themselves as they will be out of a job, not much of a job I accept but imagine the loss of protection when Coke-Head Maximo has gone!

Nappies anybody?
23 liza (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
@ 21
maybe he was thinking about the Malvina Hotel,,,,,//////
uuuuuuuuuuuuuujajaja
no money no class keep the islands in your BRITISH ARSE!
24 briton (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
are you still here,
of to the asylum..
25 green_68 (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
@ 24
why not?
26 briton (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
why not what.
27 green_68 (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
@ why not dumping more CRAP on you!
28 briton (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
Difine CRAP,
in less than 3 words, and you will win the inteligence test .
29 The Cestrian (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
Uruguay really doesnt like Argentina does it?

www.buenosairesherald.com/article/123907/former-uruguyan-leader-compares-country-argentina

Jorge Batlle, the former Uuguayan President, yesterday alleged that his country is setting on “the same political and economic path as Argentina,” fostering a social “polarization” between “good” and “bad.”

In an interview with Uruguayan daily El País, the former head of state argued the José Mujica administration is preparing “a sort of final armageddon, the final battle,” dividing the country in “two great pieces,” in which the president’s Broad Front party would be on the “good side.”

“This is what has been fostered in Argentina through its President. That is what it is about, trying to polarize the country... saying that simply everything that comes from the other side must be dismissed because it is bad, and everything that comes from this side must be accepted because it is good,” Batlle affirmed, arguing this to be Mujica’s “central political policy.”

The Red Party member also commented that “from an external point of view, there can be no blame for anyone for Argentina having 25 percent inflation,” assuring that Uruguay’s being at “over nine percent” was a similar case, because neither country respects “the economy.”

Batlle referred to Tabaré Vázquez, who is expected to run for president in a year and a half’s time as the Broad Front candidate, as cowardly for not admitting his ambitions and holding out to “know what will happen with the economy, and if it will explode before he is elected.”

Ten years ago, while president, Batlle courted controversy when he described Argentines as “a gang of thieves, from first to last,” after which he was obliged to apologize.
30 liza (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
@28
I already did!
31 briton (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 10:51 pm Report abuse
congratulations.
night.
32 Ernie4001 (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 02:38 am Report abuse
Mr Trobo has the right to say what he thinks as many other leaders in South Am that think the same as him. So, Argentina´s bullying in this issue has no space beyond its borders as some malvinist may believe.
33 dixie rebel (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 02:57 am Report abuse
Is quite understanding this fellow Trobo from the National Party. That is good for the islands since this is good marketing. The coming referendum will be a big pain in the ass for Argentina. It will be very difficult to refute it in the future, and the gov. knows it.
34 DanyBerger (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 05:10 am Report abuse
@The Cestrian

Ha ha ha Jorge Battle the former president of Uruguay????

The stupid incompetent that had to apologised with “Duhalde” crying for all stupidities he said while was caught by a camera during an interview.

“Mr. President I love Argentina, in fact I was with my family that was deported in Argentina (crying here) I went to the primary school in Belgrano, I made my first grade in Belgrano... (more crying) so I apologise to the people of Argentina and you Mr. President.”

www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2J2VsK2B5c

Sniff, sniff

You couldn’t find a more stupid person in the whole world to make your point.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGYo_rC_GE

ha ha a poor clown
35 reality check (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:08 am Report abuse
North Korea just detonated another nuclear weapon. Who thinks the UN are going to be concerned with Argentinas piffling little complaint over the holding of a legal referendum. Tough choice he! , nuclear proliferation on the Korean penninsular or democracy in the South Atlantic. I think I know which one is going to be given priority!
36 golfcronie (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:19 am Report abuse
@34
Get a life, look in your own back yard, Timerman comes to mind, what a numtie.
At least CFK can blame him when everything in Argentina goes tits up.
You need to change your Government they are letting your country down. Your country has tremendous potential but you are becoming isolationist and do not pay your debts. I suspect that many companies will think twice about investing in your country. I am so sorry but that is the crux of the matter.
37 kelperabout (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:58 am Report abuse
Would not surprise me to see quite a few latin american neighbours dump Argentina over the next five years, Argentina spends so much time trying to control South America she has forgot her own people. I forsea many Latin american countries swing more towards democracy because of the issues of the world around them especially the middle east. Argentina is alone now and world opinion is no longer in favour of continued dictators. If push comes to real shove most people will not wish to become dictators like the Argentine regime.
38 DanyBerger (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 01:00 pm Report abuse
@golfcronie

“Your country has tremendous potential but you are becoming isolationist and do not pay your debts. I suspect that many companies will think twice about investing in your country. I am so sorry but that is the crux of the matter.”

And what is your problem?

Invest in your own country or somewhere else sure the world is plenty of countries that will meet your investment requirements.

“You need to change your Government they are letting your country down”

And your govt is????

Invest in Uruguay sure you will be more than happy there....
39 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 03:52 pm Report abuse
@38 Dany

“Invest in Uruguay sure you will be more than happy there....”

They will, and happily, too!!

LOL!!
40 golfcronie (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
@38
Dany oh Dany
Don't know if you live in Argentina or not but look around you. If you live in Argentina see how much your basic commodies are costing you. Inflation is astromical in your country because your government don't know how to deal with it. UK has its problems I don't deny, but we are dealing with it. At least if we don't like our Government we voice our opinions and change it. Unlike yourselves , if you voice your opinions you may very well end up in prison or your livelihood taken away.
41 Gordo1 (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 05:23 pm Report abuse
@21 Briton.

It is official policy of the United Nations that the archipelago should be called “Malvinas” for Spanish speakers, “Malouines” for French speakers and “Falkland Islands” for English speakers and in all other languages.

I have no objection to the Uruguayans calling our Falkland Islands by the name of “Malvinas”.
42 golfcronie (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
Call it what you like it is still an OVERSEAS TERRITORY OF THE UNITED KINGDOM and OURS.
43 briton (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
i understand what you say,
are then all falklanders of the same opinion then,
you dont mind being called the malvinas,

if its ok with you, i prefer falklands
44 golfcronie (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 07:38 pm Report abuse
@43
I'm sorry, perhaps I could have explained it better. All countries are entitled to call the FALKLANDS what they like in their own language, but to the English speaking countries it is the FALKLANDS. I suspect when the REFERENDUM is finally over all reference to the islands will be THE FALKLANDS.
45 briton (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
ok and thanks,

you are of course correct,
briton..
46 ynsere (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:12 am Report abuse
The less Uruguay has to do with Argentina, the better. Such has been the case since the advent of Perón.
After a talk, former Uruguayan president Jorge Batlle said that Argentines are a bunch of crooks, from the first to the last. He didn't realise that one of the mikes was still on. He went to BA to apologise. This is still held against him in Uruguay. Uruguayans do not apologise to Argentines, particularly when what was said was perfectly true.
47 DanyBerger (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:40 am Report abuse
@golfcronie

I live in Argentina all fine thanks.

You have no idea of what are you talking about.

1-“Commodities” and not “commodies” as you said have increased it price worldwide and guess what?

UK is the country that has reported more price increasing, average 300% on that item according with FAO (Food Agriculture Organisation United Nations) since the financial crisis. So Items that cost 1 pound five years ago today cost 3 to 4 pounds.

www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/jul/17/food-prices-rise-commodities

Gas and electricity price in UK have rose 150% in the last 5 years in UK.

In US commodities price increase was for last year 150% in the last 3 years.

So tell me why in Argentina commodities prices will not increase like in any other place in the world?
In fact the increase in countries like Argentina are much, much less than in countries like UK.

Tell me your government knows how to deal with it? Of course not and prince in UK will continue increase despite the recession.
money.aol.co.uk/2012/12/17/supermarket-own-brands-shock-price-rise/

Now do you understand why in your Lasagne you get Donkey meat instead of beef?
Simple is cheaper...

2- “At least if we don't like our Government we voice our opinions and change it”

You are lying British are the most idiot and manageable people I’ve ever seen in this world you put your head down like a donkey and keep going.
You complain at home but are afraid of your govt. queen and all the shitty politicians that have been ruling the country for centuries.

3-“if you voice your opinions you may very well end up in prison or your livelihood taken away.”

Another lie I can say whatever I want in Argentina and none can tell me anything and in fact I’m expressing freely my opinion. Not like in certain Islands where freedom of expression have been limited to just to say yes CaMoron

BTW when are you going to make resign this stupid eh!?

Are you waiting to be dead?
48 Anglotino (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:23 am Report abuse
LMAO oh Dany! Thank you for that post. You know, the one where you correct someone's spelling and then make your own spelling mistake.

Oh that was gold my little simpleton Argentine friend.

I especially liked this line from your 18 month old article:
“In Britain, families spend around 15% of their budget on food. In developing countries, this rises to 50% or more.”

So Argentina being a developing country (one of the rare cases where an almost developed country has slipped BEHIND developing countries) has people spending almost half their income just to eat. Though I think that only applies to the middle class. Poor people ant earn enough to buy food any longer.

Thanks Cristina you're my hero!

Nothing is going to change your mind (common occurrence amongst those with limited intelligence) so you keep on fighting the good fight mate and spreading the word.

Others of us will know exactly where people are becoming poorer and having trouble buying food.

blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2013/02/06/argentinas-canute-like-stand-against-inflation/#axzz2KapTFRS1
49 golfcronie (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:35 am Report abuse
@47
Dany
Thank you Dany for correcting my spelling. How remiss of me not to check before posting. Snowing heavily here but all cosy and warm,lights on, central heating full and not a care in the world. Yes, you are correct, the prices of nearly all items we need on a daily basis have increased, but heho we have an excellent benefit structure which is the envy of the world, if I fall on hard times. State pensions are generous too. Good luck to you and I hope you have the same standard of living as us when you eventually change your Government, because you will have to soon.
pps Spelling OK?
50 DanyBerger (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:28 am Report abuse
@Anglotino

Hello ignorant from falling world!

This is rubbish like all you can find printed on the Economist and FT.
An employee women in a store can earns $6000 plus benefits a man can earns $8.500 plus benefits in whatever shitty job right?

Total family income $14.500/2 (50%) per month $7.250 according with you they expend in food right?

7250 / 7.81 (pound value against the peso) = 928 pounds /4 (weeks) 232,07 pounds per week should expend a family with your equation right?

Now lets see some example in UK, right?

A worker woman can earns lets say 1.200 pounds (if lucky in same position in UK) no benefits like in Argentina, a man making a shitty job can earns 1400 pounds (if lucky) all per month

Total family income = 2600 pounds * 15%/100= 390 pounds /4 weeks = 97,5 pounds at week

A family pack in “offer” in Sainsbury's of 400gs cots 1.75 pounds

So a kg would cost 4,37 pounds x 7.81 =$ 34,17 per kilo in UK wow that is really expensive.

In Argentina a kg of tomatoes range from $10 to $14 x kg and if you buy 2 pay less.

So de difference in prices between UK and Argentina is of 150% taking the more expensive product (more expensive UK 150%)

As you can see a family in UK with 97.5 pounds is close to starvation I understand now why you are so skinny and little. You cannot afford to eat.

So as you can see the generalisation of “developing country” doesn’t apply to Argentina for this Item.

Another thing that I would like to clarify to you because seem you are very ignorant...
Argentina is a developing country because has no reach it full potential economically that doesn’t mean that is a poor country and in some aspects is more developed than many European countries.

Wonderful Buenos Aires compared with shitty flat London seem the capitol of a big western empire. Ha ha
www.youtube.com/watch?v=acq9uEFRP9c
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdkLQGjtS8A
51 golfcronie (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:43 am Report abuse
Dany oh Dany
When were you last in Argentina? Obviously you live in a shitty flat in london. But heho someone has to. The UK is a developing country, why, do you think we are going to stand still? Not likely, unlike Argentina which is either standing still or going backwards.Hope alls well with you.
pps Spelling OK?
Oh by the way “ So de difference in prices ” should read “ So THE difference in prices ” So sorry old chap, toodlepip
52 Anglotino (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:34 am Report abuse
Oh Dany. Thank you for that very long winded reply.

I meant it was totally full of crap but I'm glad you tried. I earnt much more than that when I lived London. And it wasn't worth less every month like in Argentina

You can believe all the lies your governments tells but deep down you know how bad the inflation rate is. I don't even have to say the figures. No one believes the lies that Indec publishes.

Oh by the way I'm from Australia not Britain. Now try spinning the shit about shitty flats, crap food and low wages.

As for Argentina being developing. LMAO Oh God that was funny.

A quick recap:
“Another thing that I would like to clarify to you because seem you are very ignorant...
Argentina is a developing country because has no reach it full potential economically that doesn’t mean that is a poor country and in some aspects is more developed than many European countries.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Argentina was once as rich as Australia. Did you sleep through your history classes? Or do they skip those for La Campora classes now?

A lot of European countries have 2 world wars and 50 years of communism to recover from. Argentina doesn't and yet is still DEVELOPING.

Oh Dany. It's obvious you've never been to Europe and if you wanna see what faded glory looks like, then don't think of “a big western empire”, just look around your own country.

I just reread your post. ARS8,500 per month! That's it? Wow.

That's the average WEEKLY wage here in Oz AFTER tax!

I probably only spend about AUD125-150 a week on groceries.

I love your example of tomatoes. ARS10.00-15.00per kg in Argentina. AUD2.80 per kg here works out about ARS22.40. Here have a look.

www.coles.com.au/Coles-freshness/vic.aspx

And guess what?

The price will be the same or similar next month and the month after and probably in six months.

How much will those poor wrinkled tomatoes cost you in 6 months?

100% guarantee that it won't be ARS10.00-15.00 per kilo.
53 DanyBerger (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:46 am Report abuse
@golfcronie

If you would be smart enough you should know that most of the UK GDP is fake.

A bank takes a loan from China that capital is immediately lent to another company in Europe or US or Middle East and that simple accounting job ends up in UK GDP but also in the external debt.

You end up with a big GDP but standards of living in UK are like in little or medium size country.

Current UK external debt is more than 10 trillions.

Now think how will be that figures worsening with the time and you will see how poor you are despite your nice GDP made by borrowing and trade deficit.

The difference between UK and Argentina is that Argentina is a rich country and despite all bad economical failures in the past always had resources to come from the ashes like the Phoenix.

But UK is not so lucky so what are you gonna do to create all that money you need to pay your internal and external debt?

Have you ever thought about that?
54 screenname (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:28 pm Report abuse
DanyBurger

What is a 'family pack' in Sainsburys? Some sort of food parcel? I shop in Sainsburys and it is not clear what you are talking about.

Who buys 2 kg of tomatoes? Do you now look like a tomato after eating so many? People in the UK tend to buy fresh food as they need it. Maybe chemicals make your tomatoes last a long time, but I'll just get normal ones and purchase the amount my family will actually eat.

With regards the UK being a small country, and Argentina having a lot of natural resources: Yes that is correct...but it does not take much investigating to see why Argentina has these resources. You are a nation of mercinary Europeans colonists that have conducted a massive land theft. This should make it strange that you direct this accusation at people still living back in Europe, who actually understand and accept that these things happened in the past, are sorry for it but have moved on in the world. It is not strange though, because i the 21st century your bizarre country still has a thirst for more land, and will use any BS means to try and get it. Unfortunately for your incredibly stupid government, we all have access to the internet and can see how they contradict themselves depending on which audience they are trying to pander to.
55 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
HORSES

I'm happy to eat horsemeat if its sold as horsemeat.
Apparently, in the UK, it would command about 1/5 of the price of cowmeat.
Though I have not knowingly eaten it as prime-cut in the UK, I have frequently eaten it as such on the European landmass. Also I'm pretty sure that it has been used in cheap burger food at music festivals, etc across Europe.
It is totally no surprise that it is incorporated into processed meat products.

This begs the question .... why, with the food-analytical techniques available, has there been no regular food analysis to ensure the species/species-mix in labelled food-products?
Even 'Meat Pies' should have a species label.

It's not just 'indigenous' British sensitivities, many societies, cultures and religious groups have food requirements that ban specific meat-types ... eg pigmeat for Hindus.

So why has there been this 'blind-eye' culture of non-investigation?
56 ChrisR (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
55 GeoffWard2

Because supermarkets like Tesco want the lowest price and for all of their 'Customer focus' they do not want to know the real facts.

Horsemeat seems to be the poor relative and not subject (in practice) to very rigorous controls. I certainly wouldn't want to eat horsemeat contaminated with painkillers for horses.

There is also the little matter of two Welsh abattoirs that it is alleged knew they were supplying horse meat for the beef market.

The UK is getting more like The Dark Country every day.
57 DanyBerger (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
@screenname

Yeah I forgot to put tomato. What can I do?

“People in the UK tend to buy fresh food as they need it”
Me too a fresh tomato not from supermarket else from Vegetal and fruits store.

Every 2 days I buy it
2 KG of fresh tomatoes
1 kg of lettuce
1.5kg of Banana
2kg of oranges or apples (sometimes grapes)
½ of chicken breast without bones (Chicken Supreme)
6 eggs

I eat them every day in salads with other stuff greens.

And when training 6kgs of chicken per week plus carbohydrates.

And most of the time still hungry mate what can I do?

And a lot of mineral water.
58 golfcronie (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
@57
Hi Dany, bought any shares yet? If you go to to the FALKLANDS you can change your diet day by day. You don't have to eat the same rubbish day after day.
59 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
15th Feb
It looks like DNA from the meat of horses, cows, pigs and chickens is showing up in many countries in supposedly 'pure' products.
And we might assume that the same mixtures are also common practice in countries where there is no/less testing.
Am I bothered?
From a food/health perspective, not really.
Time to tighten up proceedures, etc,
but the bottom line is that 'Guaranteed Pure Cow', 'Guaranteed Pure Cod', GPS, GPC, GPP, etc, will cost more in future.
Testing and proving veracity costs,
and it is added onto the consumers' bills ...
Now I'm bothered!
60 kelperabout (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
57 DanyBerger (#) got to agree with your shopping list there mate. My family and I buy very similar quantities from tesco when we are in England because it is so cheap compared to prices here at home. Just wish we had a cheap source of fresh fruit from our chillean neighbours but thanks to Argieland shipping embargos we have to import as and when we can. Still Islanders most of the time can afford the extra price because they would never cow down to Argentine threats.
61 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 04:37 am Report abuse
trobo: Who cares,MAlvinas IS NON EXISTANT....Ahahahaha what imbec...is this guy.There nothing there trobo.MAlvinas HAS NOTHING...Uruguay is living with Argentine money..How ridicouslo are this opositions....Just to be on the oposite..They know Malvinas is GARBAGE!Ahahaha poor deluded brits in this forum..so imbecil..to believe any garbage posted...AHAHAHAH uk is FINISHED that is the reality..
62 kelperabout (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 07:57 am Report abuse
61 Malvinero1 (#)
Oh so we are a finnished place. Let me tell you something. The people on the Islands are a thousand times better off then you and your fellow country men and women and quite frankly I believe you are actually very jealous of this fact. Past experiance has shown me that he who usually complains or denies another people is usually suffering from having little or nothing in life. More often deeply depressed.
You know nothing of our life here only what you think you know you have made up. Our people are very well off as I said and have everything they want. They even know how to survive in difficult times when another Country uses blockades to try to harm their economy.
We are soon to be among the richest if not the richest people on the planet when the oil starts to flow.just 3,000 people looking after billions of pounds a year while by contrast Argentina is loosing billions a year.
Argentina needs our oil fields and they know without them their country is going to continue to slide even further into decline and when that happens you will have a revolution to deal with. But hey is it not time you were given some of the treatment you handed out upon the indeginous people of that land.
Take heed the writing is on the wall for Argentina unless she starts to listen to the rest of the world you are the ones who are finnished.
63 DanyBerger (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 11:57 am Report abuse
@kelperabout

And why don’t to buy it from Rio Gallegos? Is not cheap?

Tell me can you receive parcels from Argentina?

Tell me just between you an me, is not very silly that you have to depend on Tesco UK when I can send to you tomatoes for $6 at kilo or potatoes at $4 per kilo?

You say that the shortage is for Arg. Embargo, there is nothing preventing Islanders or any other people from buying any stuff in Argentina as far I know.

You either are banned to enter in main land as far I know.
Why don’t to hire a boat from Argentina instead to use a British one or No flag one. haha

The problem seems to be that there is not connection to the Islands thanks to CaMoron & co.

Well look for a way to receive parcels in the Islands and I will send you bananas, potatoes, lettuce and fresh tomatoes.

We want to keep you healthy mate.

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