Wednesday, February 13th 2013 - 20:45 UTC

We are a People and We do exist

Opinion by Robin Goodwin -
As a Falkland Islander, I do wonder where Alicia Castro the Argentine Ambassador to the United Kingdom was educated. To not recognize that Falkland Islanders exist is plain ignorance on the part of the Argentine Government. Particularly that she is based in England.

Falklands had no indigenous people living on them when first settled

Falkland Islanders have been living on the Islands since 1833 and now have some nine generations of descendants living there. Some of those previous ancestors are indeed of Argentine/Spanish Origin who also have many living generations among the community.

To refuse to recognize our People is also to say that Argentina does not recognize descendants of her own Country. These people are born as Falkland Islanders just as many other nationalities that chose to settle on these Islands have been doing. Yet the thinking in Argentina is that we are all descendants of Great Britain. This could not be further from the truth. We are a people who originated from many Countries of the World. It just happens that the Falkland Islands are a part of Great Britain just as for Argument sake St Helena is also. Yet the vast majority of the St Helenian people originated from Africa do not make them Africans.

The hard fact of life is that you inherit your birth right in the place you were born.

Something else worth noting is that Argentina has several Falkland Islanders living among them who chose to move to that Country and have been accepted by the president Cristina Fernandez who in spite of accepting these individuals has oddly enough told the world that Falkland Islanders do not exist.

Argentina does not want us to have a referendum because the results and decision of the people will be recorded by every Country of the world and Argentina does not want the Falkland Islanders to tell the world how it really is.

Our two Countries have completely different Histories whereas the Falkland Islands had no indigenous people living on them when first settled by white settlers. By contrast the Spanish stole land from the indigenous people by murdering them to create what we all know today as Argentina.

The people of the Falkland Islands have always whished to remain British by choice. The referendum will tell the world how the Islanders want to lead their lives and no Interference from Argentina will stop them.

Robin Goodwin
Fifth Generation Islander
 

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1 Tipsy Think (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
Turnip talk again.
2 Think (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
You are British people, integral part of the British People, you do exist and you are squatting on Argentinean territory.

Please go away.
3 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
2
NO!

Lot long now before the internationally supervised and recognised referendum. There haven't been many international observers publicly named yet. One could be forgiven for thinking it appears that the referendum will be supervised by South America.

Chuckle chuckle.
4 reality check (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
It has never been Argentine territory and it never will be, think.
Think you can cope with that, think.

TT, Arrogant crap again.
5 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
Stink

Yes, Argentine territory...borne out of the fact that it was once under the flag of the United Provinces of River Plate for 60 odd days, whilst they mutineed raped and murdered....60 or so weren't there Stink for 60 days....?

nice ring to it....

the islands are Argies because in 1832 sixty of them went there for a bit of raping and murder before being chucked out 60 days later.

What is actually Argentina is theirs because they brutally murdered the indigenous in a genocidal rampage.

Perhaps you should go away, and return Patagonia to its rightful owners.
6 briton (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
We may be good,
We may be sad,
But CFK is definitely bad

They are British,
And have more right to be in the Falklands than most argentines do in argentina,

They do exist and proudly so,

Unlike argie squatters who live on the main land,
7 Conqueror (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
@1 A slug grunts. Argies like to whine and whinge. They have nothing else. No “claim”. No “rights”. No “legality”. No “courage”. No “guts”. No “balls”. The various versions of “Twinky” are an example. All shit, no prick!
8 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
40 years ago the Americans spent 12 days in total on the moon....compared to the 60 days 180 years ago that the UP spent on the islands, I would suggest that at the American claim to the moon is stronger...at least some of the visitors are still alive, and to my knowledge they didn't murder and rape one another.
9 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
Robin

Good on you for writing that. No doubt it will be in tomorrow's P News. It's a while since I've seen you post on here. Still around I hope; don't tell me you've changed bloody names like one of the Malvinista trolls.
10 Robert English (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
Robin, really good writing, your voice of your countrymen and woman willl be heard !( and taken notice off)
11 Islas Malvinas (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
Falkland Islanders don`t exist as a people with right to self-determination, Robin Goodwin.
They exist as British people attempting to excercise the British people`s right to self-determination in a territory far far away from Britain and whose “britishness”, in any case, is legaly duspited. That`s unacceptable.
12 slattzzz (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
@11 fraid not loser ask Mr moon
13 golfcronie (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:12 pm Report abuse
@2
Think
Buy Premier oil/ Rockhopper shares. you know you want to.
14 slattzzz (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:15 pm Report abuse
@13 with his euros of course because he's never been to rgenweener
15 reality check (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:18 pm Report abuse
What is this non existant Argentine talking about, clearly does not know is place, upstart! How dare he talk to a superior Falkland Islander like that, you would think these Argentines would know their place.

How do you like being spoken to like that Islas Malvinas, bit strong? was'nt it. Not nice, even very rude. Even unacceptable.

Nevertheless, just as insulting has your post.

Robin and his islanders do exist and they have democratic rights, if they choose excrcise those right to remain British, then there is not a damn thing you can legally do about it.
16 andy65 (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
What would you expect from the miserable lips of an x flight attendent of the bancrupt airline Aerolines Argentines
Perhaps El Think might take up the task of pleasuring madame Castro now that her usual lover lies on his death bed.
17 slattzzz (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
@16 uurrghh what a thought I wouldn't touch her with Jimmy savilles
18 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:51 pm Report abuse
Think is an oxymoron with the emphasis on moron. He has never been to the Falklands and knows nothing. He can continue whining and beefing, it will lead nowhere. Rgs are going down, faster by the day... 150 years and all they have got is the Tango and a failing nation.
19 golfcronie (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:54 pm Report abuse
Just think fellows , perhaps in 20yrs time the UK could invite the FALKLANDS to join the G20. Why not, their GDP is certainly going to be higher than Argentina the way things are going.
20 José Malvinero (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 12:10 am Report abuse
What depth article!I think that convinced me! ha ha
21 Anglotino (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 12:26 am Report abuse
Malvinistas are incapable of learning, so I doubt it.
22 golfcronie (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 12:28 am Report abuse
@20
Christ fellows, we have a convert after all this badgering away, hang on instead of eating beef and horse we could start on badgers and foxes. Never knowingly eaten either heho
23 José Malvinero (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 01:01 am Report abuse
“Falkland Islanders have been living on the Islands since 1833”:
Another acknowledging that he had “someone” before 1833. Who would? False that since 1833 since about 1844 or 1845 begins replacement of population original and not 1833.

“To refuse to recognize our People is also to say that Argentina does not recognize descendants of her own Country”:
How? Who understands that phrase? If it refers to the present inhabitants of the Malvinas, as in Argentina governs “ius solis” and be Argentine territory, those BORN in the islands, yes, they are considered argentines: “descendants of her own country”.

“Yet the thinking in Argentina is that we are all descendants of Great Britain”:
The same British law considers British.

“It just happens that the Falkland Islands are a part of Great Britain”:
HA, HA ,HA!!!!!!!!!!!

“The hard fact of life is that you inherit your birth right in the place you were born.”:
Error. If I'm Argentine and I have a son born in Europe, shit that my son is European! In most of these countries governing the “ius sanguinis” or right of blood and not the “ius soli” or right to land.

“Our two Countries have completely different Histories...”:
Enlarged the guy! Try to talk as equals with Argentina considering our Malvinas Islands, a country.

“By contrast the Spanish stole land from the indigenous people....”:
BLA, BLA, BLA, change striped ribbon, pibe. That do not believe anyone.
24 Pirate Love (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 02:38 am Report abuse
“We are a People and We do exist”, HERE HERE!!!

The Falklanders do more than exist they “LIVE” , Its a pity the same could not be said for the millions in poverty stricken argentina, families living on the streets who struggle to even exist, for them to “Live” is a right reserved only for argentinas Kirchner mafia.
25 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 05:47 am Report abuse
“t just happens that the Falkland Islands are a part of Great Britain just as for Argument sake St Helena is also. Yet the vast majority of the St Helenian people originated from Africa do not make them Africans.”

But the Chagossians ethnically cleansed by the British were extirpated from their land on what grounds? They had come from Mauritious, or whatever.

Well, then, this is just another example of British consitency.
26 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 05:49 am Report abuse
Illegal aliens and gypsys also exist but the when found they get deported, maybe the british will like to be treated the same way they treat others.
27 Anglotino (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 05:57 am Report abuse
Quick change the subject!!!!!
28 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 06:22 am Report abuse
@27

Thank for proving so clearly you have no argument to fight back with. I quoted directly from the article, a point made by the author of the piece that is central to the plea it makes.

No changing the subject.

You just have no answer that does not make you look like a British hypocrite. (sorry pleonasm). Let me rephrase:

You just have no answer that does not make you look like a British .
29 Anglotino (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 06:43 am Report abuse
Really Tobias? Where did the article mention Chagossians?
Illegal aliens?
Gypsies?

I've replied to you on another thread, do what you wish with my advice!
The world won't change either way, but yours might!
30 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 07:05 am Report abuse
@26 ALEX VARGAS

“Illegal aliens and gypsys also exist but the when found they get deported, maybe the british will like to be treated the same way they treat others.”

Hey, knot - head!!! Key word is “illegal”, meaning “breaking the law”.

“Illegal Aliens” would mean, “people from somewhere else that are breaking the law by being in the. Host country”.

You know this because you are an Illegal Alien in Canada.

As to your racist remark about gypsies, if they do not meet prescribed Admission Requirements, then they are Illegal Aliens and breaking the law.
It follows that they would be deported.

The Argentine Armed Forces in 1982, were Illegal Aliens in The Falklands, and DEPORTED.

What is the problem??

PS, Was your Father not admitted to Canada with your mother, or was he deported as a criminal Illegal Alien by the Canadian gov't?

Or maybe, your precious Argentina got him and it has nothing to do with the Brits???

Perhaps you are angry at the wrong people, right?
31 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 07:44 am Report abuse
25 Tito The Clown Troll

Is that the best lie you can up with?

Well Tito, you can tell all the lies you want, you can shout and scream and stamp your feet all you want but:-

“We are a People and We do exist”

See? do you get it now?? oh, and by the way, the UN knows it too!!

SELF-DETERMINATION!!!!!!

sounds good doesn't it?
32 Martin Woodhead (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:01 am Report abuse
They exsist what exactly can argentina do about.
Cry impotent tears of rage thats what.
If you were an even moderatly compentantly run country and god knows the standard isnt that high , you would have the islands by now but even when the foriegn Office was desperately trying to offload the islands.
You couldnt manage to impress a couple of thousand isloated farmers even with the British Goverment twisting there arms.
After 1982 forget it the islands apart from defence run at a comfatable surplus may even transform into a colder wetter Dubai with penguins :)
33 Shed-time (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:54 am Report abuse
The simple fact is, that until they unconditionally prove that it's their land and receive a ruling stating such, then their outpourings are at best sinister threatening prevarication and at worst unfounded lies driving expansionism..
34 Islander1 (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 09:34 am Report abuse
Think and others- Squatters?
Do please explain to me the difference between:
30 million Argentines of European descent who live in Argentina where for many,their Ancestors Forcibly Removed and Exterminated the indigenous population from large areas.

3000 Islanders who live in a country where there were no indigenous peoples and no civilian settlers have ever been forced out in history - let alone exterminated.
35 kelperabout (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 09:37 am Report abuse
For the vast majority of people living on the Falkland Islands it is their birthright and home. They want to be allowed to live the life of their choosing. Just as Argentines wish to live as they choose. Nothing wrong with that except that Argentina does not believe we Islanders should be allowed to live as we choose. We will see after the refferendum what Islanders whish and then the whole world really will know. Argentina by continuing to challange our existance is gradually loosing world popularity and will one day dig it's self a whole so deep it will be finnished as a Country and who knows may eventually be returned to it's indigenous people.
36 golfcronie (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 11:20 am Report abuse
@34,@34
Just think in about 20yrs from now you could be able to buy Argentina, if it still exists as a country.
37 Crackpot (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 11:22 am Report abuse
@2 Think: “You are British people, integral part of the British People...”

You'll be saying that Irish Americans are Irish next.

However, when we talk about British English, British Scots, British Welsh, British Irish, British Gibraltarians, British Falkland Islanders......the list goes on....there is no contradiction between the two terms. They are all very distinct peoples under the umbrella of “British”. Unless, of course, you think that the Scots etc have no right to independence (if that is what they decide), as they are just British with no separate culture or identity?
38 Britishbulldog (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
2 Think and all the other Argy bastards on here. The only squatters in that neck of the woods are you Argentinians who stole the land and murdered the natives that lived there. You are the colonists, colonialists of the worst kind who kill the population who were there before you. What a bunch of murdering scum you lot are, you have brought nothing but misery to that part of the world and not one of you could organize a piss up in a brewery hence the state of the country today.

The whole world can see what a bunch of psychotic people led by another bunch of psychopaths you all are. What an embarrassment it is to have to share the planet with you bunch of idiots even your neighbors the same neighbors who did the same as you when they came to colonize that part of the world are embarrassed at how they have moved on and you have not moved on but are still stuck in the past.

You are all a disgusting part of the evolution of man why don't you all do the honorable thing and exterminate yourselves and do the rest of the world a big favor.
39 Santa Fe (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 01:29 pm Report abuse
Troll script Change....Script Change
Where possible try to mention the Scottish Welsh and Irish people that the English cruelly rule from London. But dont I repeat dont mention the upcoming Independance Referendum in Scotland!!! democracy and self determination is a topic to keep clear of. Anyway my trolls keep posting you are doing a grand job, and no!! you will not be out of a job after the Falklands Referendum. Troll on citizens ...ps dont post this
40 Escoses Doido (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 01:43 pm Report abuse
To all the malvanista trolls on here: (you know who you are)

In 1982 your country attempted to take the Islands by military force, - You were defeated, and thrown out back to argentina. (and no, don't blame this on Galtieri, - argentina loved the invasion)

Very soon you will also have been defeated on your political, underhanded, perdiferous attemts at gaining control of the Islands.

What will you do then?

You will forever be in self-induced torment, because the Islands are not yours to mourn over.

Your great, great grand children may call them what they wish, but they will in years (centuries) to come always be The Falkland Islands.

You really need to wake up, and take a sniff at reality.
41 Raul (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 02:11 pm Report abuse
British Islanders, have eyes and not see, have ears and not hear.
They want to be victims when in fact accomplices of colonialism and imperialism in the 21st century.

Islanders have been living on the islands since 1833 and now has about nine generations of descendants living there. Some of those earlier ancestors are actually from Argentina / Spanish also have many generations living in the community.

Why lie? Everyone knows that the specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina.

Refusing to recognize our people are also saying that Argentina does not recognize the descendants of their own country.

Totally wrong. Argentina considers it a usurper people since 1833. Argentina is generous, not demand the expulsion of the British island.

Another thing to note is that Argentina has several Malvinas living among them who chose to move to this country and have been accepted by President Cristina Fernandez, who despite accepting these people has curiously told the world that Falkland Islands do not exist.

Wrong again. Never said that the Falkland Islands do not exist. There is an English population implanted since 1833. Furthermore, the claim is not our president whim. It is a claim for all the people of Argentina and Latin America as a whole.

But the Spanish stole the lands of indigenous people by murdering them to create what is now known as Argentina.

He hates the Spanish. We forget that in 500 years of existence, Britain committed genocide, racism, colonialism and imperialism in the five continents before Nazi Germany. Argentina suffered four British invasions (1806-1807-1833-1845)

Argentina does not want the island to tell the world what it really is.

United Nations and Decolonization Committee of the United Nations is very clear in its resolutions. They planted a colony.
42 Shed-time (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
@41 How do you sleep at night when all you do is tell lies?
43 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 02:38 pm Report abuse
@34

You destroyed the pristine quality of the islands... isn't that a crime in itself?

If it is not,. then you agree with Argentina, that Antarctica is ours base don settlement and we didn't kill anyone there either.

If you have a referendum right now in Antarctica about which country you want to belong to, we win by a minority majority.

I hope you have an up-to-date passport then.
44 andy65 (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
@Raul, Kichners governmant tells lies to every organisation you have been censored by The IMF for TELLING LIES do you not see a pattern? if you are Argentine you need to be asking SS Kirchner how she aquired her wealth while in office estimated to be $70 million which she claims was by representing high profile cases in her job as a lawyer WHAT A JOKE WHAT A LIA
45 Benson (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 02:55 pm Report abuse
“Why lie? Everyone knows that the specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina.”

I love how he starts a lie with “Why lie?”
46 andy65 (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
They know no different, lies and propaganda are pumped into them from an early age
47 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
43 Tito The Clown Troll

“You destroyed the pristine quality of the islands... isn't that a crime in itself?”

Argentina has violated the laws of nature by spawning The Botox Queen..... surely that is way more serious than 3,000 islanders who just want to live in peace.

KFC is NOT the end result of human reproduction so she is either....

1/ An Alien lifeform

2/ The result of some b*stardized embryo research gone horribly wrong

or

3/ The hitherto unseen “Missing link” in man's development

Which ever one it is, Argentina have flouted the laws on reproduction and good taste....... You ought to be ashamed.
48 LEPRecon (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
@43 - Tobias/TTT/Nostril

Why are you on this thread? You said you didn't post on 90% of Falklands threads because you support their right to self-determination.

I have yet to find a Falklands thread where you HAVEN'T commented, which leads me to belief that you are not being entirely truthful.

Talking of spoiling the natural habitat of a place, you Argentines aren't exactly innocent of that, are you?

So some fox-wolf on the Islands went extinct because they were hunted.

In Argentina, some native amerindian tribes went extinct, because they were hunted.

In the grand scheme of things, I wonder which one is judged worst?

@41- Raul

How come you always repeat the same old rubbish that has been disproved many times.

When did Argentina come into being? 1853.

Prior to this were the United Provinces, who become un-United Provinces. Assuming the UP had even a tenouous claim, what with them putting illegal troops on the islands, who murdered and raped etc..., the minute the UP ceased to exist, so did their sovereignty claims.

Sovereignty claims are not transferrable.

But if you really feel that Argentina's case for sovereignty is solid, why don't you take it to the International Court of Justice?

If you won't take it to the International Court of Justice, we all know that means that all your claims are outrageous lies, just like Argentina's official inflation rate.

Let me know the date you are taking this issue to the ICJ, won't you Raul?
49 andy65 (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 03:16 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus is what we all call a desperado no money no woman no nothing all he does is worship the ass of his Queen, The botox Queen SS Kirchner false lips false ass false hair nothing natural about her.
50 XAVIERV (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 03:16 pm Report abuse
Exist ... Of course, if exist Brits .. One should look at their passports and see what your nationality .. Does not exist and never Malvinas Nation .. Never have something in their passports ..
(Robin's words and I read on this forum .. That face, which one of you is Robin??)
51 Argie_USA (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 03:20 pm Report abuse
“we are the people”= 3,000 retards
189 years for nothing!
52 row82 (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom? YES or NO

www.facebook.com/questions/477553115645297/

Join the debate on www.facebook.com/Britain1592

Falkland Islands Desire the Right!
53 andy65 (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 03:40 pm Report abuse
Argie_USA andXAVIERV So why are you enjoying the bennefits of living in The USA or like the other Argentine prats that use this forum are you WAITING for things to improve in your homeland before you venture back there?? what a load of losers
54 XAVIERV (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
Speak of other .. I'm still here in my homeland his teaching and studying law .. (Visit me on Google Earth: 26 ° 11'55 .63 “S 58 ° 11'43 .14” W)
55 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
Manila.

You sound like an Argentinian
56 XAVIERV (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
The copy of Earth, as shown. I am and I'm in Formosa, Paraguay border.
57 golfcronie (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 04:39 pm Report abuse
@43
Nostro
“we win by minority majority” Could you run that past me? Is it some form of Argentinian voting system, never heard of it before.
@51
Another Argie retard, CFK says repeat after me “we are the people”=3000=retards
Obviously you were not educated properly POBRE TIPO
58 Monty69 (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
41 Raul

Wrong, Raul. The Falkland Islands does not have an 'implanted population'. It has a population descended from 60 different nationalities who arrived here under their own steam. Some of them even came from Argentina. People came to take up jobs, liked it and stayed. No different to Argentina.

You can keep on saying that we are 'implanted' and that no Argentines were allowed to come here, but it doesn't mean a thing. Because we know where we came from and how we got here. We can disprove your lies very easily, because the evidence is all here, in family photos, birth certificates, newspaper articles, farm records. We have a very fine archive. You have nothing but your own propaganda.
59 XAVIERV (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
They want to be a nation? Then they need to increase their population ..
Here are some tips:
• Adopt Incest (True, we already implemented and that is why there are all familiar)
• Aparéense with penguins, but bestiality is frowned ..
• Admit Immigration From London, the British gladly send all Pakistanis, because they no longer know what to do with them.
• There are 1.3 billion Chinese, safe leftover 100,000 of them in some suburb of Beijing. Better still, the Hindus were a British colony found some 100,000 insurance liking them between 1 billion there.
• I am inclined to be invaded by the Chileans, for years they want to put one foot in Patagonia. It would be a good excuse to annex the islands ..
Taking any of these measures will be a nation secure .. I do not know what kind ..
60 row82 (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 05:12 pm Report abuse
Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom? YES or NO

www.facebook.com/questions/477553115645297/

Join the debate on www.facebook.com/Britain1592

Falkland Islands Desire the Right!
61 Monty69 (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 05:13 pm Report abuse
59 XAVIERV

''They want to be a nation? Then they need to increase their population .''

No, we don't.
And you can keep your disgusting suggestions to yourself.
62 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 05:21 pm Report abuse
#59 Don't worry, when the black gold begins to flow and all those cruise ships avoiding Rgland begin to arrive at the new Falklands cruise terminal and St Helenas new airport opens plenty of people will arrive. And, because the Falklands has British heritage it will not be spoilt and surrounded by villa miserias packed with cartoneros like your cities. It will be fine and our friends in Chile will get a nice share of the pie whilst Rgs continue their pathetic whining whilst going slowly broke through crime fraud and corruption, a continuation of what is happening right now.
As for our own multicultural society it has good points and bad points. All men are brothers whatever their language religion or colour of their skins. And in Britain and on the Falklands everyone can sleep safe in their beds and have a decent standard of living. In less civilised societies like yours where Indians are treated like second class citizens I think you will have difficulty appreciating that, or maybe its your Nazi heritage and Latin temperament that makes it so difficult for you to understand?
63 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
@59Xav

Your co-ordinates, entered into Google Earth, put you in a suburb of Manila.

I imagine that was just a simple error.

As I said, you sound Argentinian, ”They want to be a nation? Then they need to increase their population ..
Here are some tips:
• Adopt Incest (True, we already implemented and that is why there are all familiar)
• Aparéense with penguins, but bestiality is frowned ..
• Admit Immigration From London, the British gladly send all Pakistanis, because they no longer know what to do with them.
• There are 1.3 billion Chinese, safe leftover 100,000 of them in some suburb of Beijing. Better still, the Hindus were a British colony found some 100,000 insurance liking them between 1 billion there.
• I am inclined to be invaded by the Chileans, for years they want to put one foot in Patagonia. It would be a good excuse to annex the islands ..
Taking any of these measures will be a nation secure .. I do not know what kind ..”

I find it hard to believe that you are studying Law, let alone teaching it!
Not an academic.

You statements are far from logical and reasoned. The size of the population makes no difference to Recognition from the UN, look at Pitcairn Island, under 100 people, or the Vatican City, less than 3,000.
Please show where in the UN Charter it requires a specific size threshold, before a population can be recognised.

Your vile comments about the Islanders being incestuous as you Argentinians also claim the Falklanders are actually an ' implanted' population from elsewhere and you are quick to claim that most are Brits, who have no history on the Islands because they only arrived recently, from outside.

The rest of your filthy diatribe just demonstrates your hateful racism and your burning spite towards other cultures.
Hardly an Intellectual, you are far from an open-minded free thinker. You have shown your immature prejudices and your obvious selfish motives.

It doesn't matter where you live, you are a backwards provincial thinker.
64 Conqueror (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
@2 You tried and, as usual, you failed. Now please be quiet and let the grown-ups talk.
@11 They have more right to be where they are than you have to be where you are. And as for self-determination, we say that they have a right to it. Who are you to say they don't? Want to fight for it?
@20 I don't believe you can read!
@23 Have you tried using English? Instead of Google Translate. The Falklands have been British since 1745. No Falklander is an argie. Never has been. Never will be. The hard fact of life is that free people have the right to choose their nationality. Argies don't. Everyone knows that the Spanish and argies murdered the native inhabitants.
@25 There have never been any “Chagossians”. And not their land.
@26 I expect you'll be deported from Canada soon, alex!
@28 You want an argument? We already had one in '82. You lost! Get used to it. There will be NO change.
@35 There is no reason for you to be “allowed” to do anything. How you want to live is your right. And Britain will ensure that you can exercise that right.
@41 You're still a prat. There is exactly ONE UN resolution applicable to the Falkland Islands. UN SC 502. The one that told you argie wankers to lay down your weapons and get off British territory! And you didn't comply. Even though your signature on the UN Charter says you MUST! Liars, cheats, thieves and war criminals. At least 40 million.
@43 Yup. Going to have to exterminate you from Antarctica as well. You pollute the place.
@50 There is NO Malvinas. Get it? It's a dream.
@51 Another wetback!
@54 Teachers! Lowest of the low. Argie teachers. Even lower. Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Especially in argieland, where you can be a teacher if you're useless at everything.Have you got your instructions for “How to breathe”?
@56 Bad luck. Pop out and dig your grave while you still can. Dig it in the river.
@59 Total gibberish. Do you ever cross the border to experience a proper country?
65 briton (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
they always go on about planted,,

yet it is argentines themselves who are planted,
right where the original people used to live,

at least we did not slaughter them.
you did.
66 andy65 (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
@XAVIERV, Instead of talking stupid tell us all about Argentina, tell us all why you think Argentina always sees itself as some kind of victim tell us all why your dear leader the botox queen crissy kirchner as amassed over $70 million since coming to office tell us all why Argentines always cry that there governments are corrupt after electing them but most of all just come to terms that your dream of gaining the Islands will never be.
67 Searinox (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 07:26 pm Report abuse
The persons who are in the islands are not people. but population....They are british population...ergo there is no “people” in the islands...
68 agent999 (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
@67 Searinox

Definition of POPULATION
the whole number of people or inhabitants in a country or region
69 RICO (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
You could be bloody sure that if the Falkland Islanders believed the islands should be under Argentine Sovereignty they would exist. Why if they are irrelevant did pre 1982 Argentine governments say that the population of the Islands were opposed to British rule and forced to stay affiliated to Britain by a military presence. Argentine troops landing in 1982 expected to be welcomed as a liberation force.

No doubt the Argentines will continue their lunacy of refusing to attend meetings where they are afraid that nonexistent people will be present.
70 agent999 (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
@69

Its a bit like all the non-existent indigenous people in Argentina!!
71 Brasileiro (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
Britains and Spanishs have much comom history. Ever war. Like cats ans rats. One moment: XVIII Century, Blas de Lezo, Venezuela, Admiral Vernon, Oreja de Jenkins War.......one hero:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkd93hyth5I
72 Pirate Love (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 11:14 pm Report abuse
SELF-DETERMINATION...its all you need. :) simplezzz
73 Brasileiro (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 11:34 pm Report abuse
Anti-colonialists its all we need..simple. Self-Determination in not only one word. Its a strong institutions, peace with neighbours, trade, turism, love, harmony, economic independence, valours, history, geography, friendship. Never one country survived with arrogance and superiority. Democracy, liberty and dignity for all.
74 wts (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 01:52 am
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75 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:02 am Report abuse
@73Brasiliero

That is what the Falklands want - friendship and dignity.
76 ynsere (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
And its what they're entitled to. I hope Chile and Uruguay will not be found wanting, despite Argentina's tantrums.
77 axel arg (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 02:35 pm Report abuse
ANOTHER TIPICAL HIPOCRITE COMPARISON.
If goodwin wanted to debate seriously about the historic aspects of this conflict, he wouldn't say just what is convenient for him.
While it is true that there was not any indigenous population in the islands, when the u. k. took posesion of the archipelago in 1833, it is also true that john onslow forced our authorities to leave the archipelago, and from that moment, the u. k. has never let arg. exercise it's rights over the archipelago.
Another hipocrite comparison that is argued by planty of people in this forum, in order to express that argentina's claim over the islands is hipocrite, is the genocide that our country committed against the originary populations, when it took posesion of patagonia, however, what you all ignore, is that despite that genocide, our constitution includes the rights of the indigenous populations in article 17 of chapter 4th, which is a true historic reparation. Anyway, for being honest, there is a still lot to do for them, because some indigenous populations are victim of powerful masters who expeals them from their lands, with the purpose of planting soya.
In the case of the u. k., it has never make any historic reparation for arg., for having deprived it from the islands in 1833, and i know it's hightly probable that it won't never make it, because like it or not, in some aspects, your so loved decadent empire still behaviours like the same thief of XIX century that deprived arg. cowardly from the islands. The same cowardice that was used by the criminal junta that roled arg. in 1982, when it ordered to take advantage of the vulnerable situation of the islands in 1982, and invade the archipelago.
Beyond some stupid expresions of some of our politicians, the islanders exist, and it must be said that last year, c. f. k. read before the u. n., a secret proposal of 1974, treated between both nations, which took into account the wishes of the islanders, and argentina's sovereign rights.
78 spoon (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:05 pm Report abuse
@76 isolde yensere-ly skare
keep the islands in your big ARSE.
79 cornishair (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
78 sussie you really need to stop this now :p now go back to what it is you do in america!
80 Raul (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
77 axel arg

Excellent reflection axel!
For a good while since I read such a good reflection.

World public opinion every time he meets a little over Falklands conflict turns to Argentina's favor. It is only the beginning of diplomatic actions in full swing. Argentina has been installed on the agenda of world public opinion.
Argentina proposes peace and dialogue to resolve the conflict. UK commitment to intimidation and violence and terror. We demonstrate the humanitarian bombing civilians in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan. I want to do in Iran and Argentina with its military base in Malvinas. Unfortunately still betting colonialism and imperialism in the 21st century.

Mail: Face1354@hotmail.com
81 cornishair (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:40 pm Report abuse
80 Raul. Do you live in a different world or something?. World public opinion isn't on your side, as you want to a 21st century colonial power ( in fact when in the history of Argentina have you not been a colonial power?, looking at your history all your country has dun is take land from weaker people). And we all know the UN supports Self-deternation, its in the charter dude!
82 kelperabout (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
77 axel arg (#)
I am sure that the writer would very much love to sit down and talk with you and any other Argentine government but you no only to well that Argentina refuses to recognise the rights of Islanders so no chance of dialogue there. Your other sugestion that Argentines were living here and were kicked out before Falkland Islanders has been misconstrewed. There was british pressence on the Islands many years before Argentina came on the scene. Port Edgmount comes to mind. Also Argentines were not kicked out in 1833 as you sugest but only the foriegn occupying armed force. All citizens who were there at the time including Argentines were asked if they wanted to stay. Most did and as the writer of the article has correctly said has born many generations since that time.
So your logic that we have no rights is completely wrong and you need to go take a good look at the truth you may actually learn something.
I wonder what life for the Islanders in 1982 would have been like had Argentina stayed. You could bet that each and everyone by now would have conviently dissapeared even though the dictator at the time believed he was liberating us from the British. 30 years on has proved to the world we have no intention of becoming an Argentine state.
You can continue to whinge and whine for ever , 77 axel arg (#)
but we are here to stay period.
83 agent999 (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:26 pm Report abuse
@80

The Falkland Islanders have the right to self determination under the UN Charter. On 12th November 2012, the Secretary General of the United Nations, Ban Ki Moon confirmed this by stating:'People should be able to decide their own future.”

The Secretary General also made it clear that Britain is NOT in Breach of ANY UN resolutions.

The Secretary General made his comments when being interviewed by Buenos Aires newspaper Tiempo Argentinas which is closely aligned with the Cristina Fernandez government.
84 Raul (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:27 pm Report abuse
81 cornishair

You are wrong. In 500 years of history UK commit genocide, racism, colonialism and imperialism worldwide. Just watch the movie to understand Gandhi. In addition to any world history book refers to it. England has no moral authority.

The committee considers UN decolonization to the Falkland Islands as a colony. Of the 16 cases of colonialism in the world, 10 are for the UK they are: Anguilla, Bermuda, Gibraltar, the Falkland Islands, Cayman Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands, Monserrat Island, Pitcairn Island and St. Helena Island.
Besides the UN resolutions are referred to a colony.
See 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination. It is a territory to colonize.

Just look at any web page concerning the decolonization committee of United Nations refers to are a colony. Example Wikipedia.

es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comité_de_Descolonización

Moreover continental multilateral organizations such as OAS, CELAC, UNASUR, MERCOSUR support Argentina's claims.
An example of this is in the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations and the recent European support Argentina's claims.

apoyoamalvinas.cancilleria.gob.ar/page/2

www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/subnotas/212661-62147-2013-01-26.html

www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-212721-2013-01-27.html
85 cornishair (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
84. Raul. Do you only read Argentinean newspapers or something?.

For one thing Argentina's record on Decolonialion, is pretty poor or Patagonia would be a free state by now. You seem of forget your own country's history of armed expansionism.

Talking about the British Empire is just silly in this day and age, we owned a 1/4 of the world's landmass and now we don't. Grow up and move on! atleast we as a country have gave up our empire. i have seen you do that yet

The UN C24 committee has no power to change the UN chater or any to change the outcome of decolonization. which is to say self-determnation.

And the EU supports the British position, its in the Lisbon treaty my friend.
86 agent999 (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
@84 Raul
The Falkland Islanders have the right to self determination under the UN Charter. On 12th November 2012, the Secretary General of the United Nations, Ban Ki Moon confirmed this by stating:'People should be able to decide their own future.”

The Secretary General also made it clear that Britain is NOT in Breach of ANY UN resolutions.

The Secretary General made his comments when being interviewed by Buenos Aires newspaper Tiempo Argentinas which is closely aligned with the Cristina Fernandez government.
87 ynsere (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
Raul @ 84
“Just watch the movie to understand Gandhi.”
How would have Gandhi have fared in Argentina? Thrown out of a plane?
88 C0nqueror (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 01:32 am
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89 Pete Bog (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 03:58 pm Report abuse
@11
“Falkland Islanders don`t exist as a people with right to self-determination”

The UN charter says all people have the right to self -determination.

In case you can't read, that is all (it does not say, all but the Falkland Islanders, it simply says all, which means everybody).

Robin, can you get your MLA's to keep reading and examining the Falkland Islands history? I have never seen a Malvinista's arguments on here yet that can catagorically prove 'Spanish succession' and 'Britain violently ejecting all the islands inhabitants in 1833” and to keep chucking it back in the Argentine's faces (like the back wheel of a Rover chucking up peat bog into the faces of people pushing?)
90 yankeeb0y (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 06:20 pm
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91 Piny (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 06:29 pm
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92 axel arg (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
KELPERABOUT. RAUL.
Raul, thank you for your comment.
KELPER: The historic aspects of this conflict are much more complicated than the tipical mediocre analysis that many people in this forum usually make.
While it is true what you say about the british presence in the islands, it is also true that according to international right, the discovery just gives a precarious title, which must be improved with a permanent occupation, and the u. k. just occupied por egmont for 8 years (1766-1774). The fact that it left an insignia when it abandoned the island, which claimed for british sovereignty, is not enough to claim for the sovereignty of a territory.
Anyway, if the u. k. had right to occupy the islands, in virtue of the occupation in port egmont, or in virtue of the secret article that had been included in the nootka sound convention in 1790, signed between spain and the u. k., which allowed britain to stablish settlements over the islands, when a third power stablishes settlements over the archipelago, it didn't mean that it had to deprive our country from the islands of exercising it's soveregn rights over the archipelago. Because the rights of our country were based on the sucesion of states. While it is true that spain hadn't ceaded the u. p. any sovereign right, when they declared their independence in 1816, it is also true that the u. p. didn't need spain's licence in order to become an independent country, and they had right to exercise their rights over the territories that were under the jurisdiction of the viceroalty.
On the other hand, according to the international right, the sucesion of states is applied to all the emancipated colonial territories which are sucessors of the metropoli.
If the u. k. had any right, it should have negotiated a solution with arg., or maybe share the sovereignty of the islands, instead of depriving arg. of exercising it's rights. The case has strong and weak apects for both nations, and there is a lot more to say.
93 Anglotino (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
I think post 90 is the longest post I have ever seen Suzie post.
94 kelperabout (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
Recognition of a people is the first step in accepting that a people of said land exists. Therefore ”92 axel arg (#)“ has agreed that we had rights to exist here. The real problem here is that no matter how long Falkland Islanders have settled the Islands but the length of time that they have been a British soveriegn state and it is clear to the intelegant of us all that British pressence was established a long time before Argentina was granted any rights to name their own Country. Further to that the only officially recorded sighting and subsequent landing was in both cases by the British so by deffinition Britian does have the legal high ground on this issue. It is also stupid to even contemplate that Argentina should have beed granted any shared soveriengty of our Land because the recorded facts prove that these Islands were never ever owned or handed to them by any nation period. Spain granted all that land in South America to the spanish people but never once included the Falkland Islands. If anyone out there can produce a legal historical document to say otherwise that these Islands were signed over to any South American then let that person bring such documents to the international courts for varification. Then and only then would there be reason to question who rightfully owns our land. It is worth noting that ”92 axel arg (#)” confirms that we are indeed of a mixed race of people that settled this land so to every other doubting Argentine know it all start acepting that we do actually exist and have done for a very long time. If there was a cut and dried case to bring to the Un or the international courts Argentina would have done this many years ago but the fact is they have no real evidance to back up their stupid claim.
Wheras the indigenous people do have a legal claim against Argentina.
95 axel arg (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
KELPERABOUT.
I already mentioned in my comment 92, how the discovery is considered according to the international right.
On the other hand, it seems that you ignore that in 1820 daniel jewitt took posetion of the islands for the u. p., his taking was celebrated by british ships too, and it was publised in the times in 1821, and in newspapers from u. s. a. However, there was not any protest by the u. k., anyway that settlement didn't last so much.
Along the years, there were others settlements, and in 1829 it was created the politic and militar command from the malvinas islands, it was named luis vernet as commander. After that creation, the u. k. protested for the first time, after 59 years of having abandoned port egmont.
On the other hand, i must recognize also that after the british usurpation in 1833, argentina's first claim was in that year, and with the passagge of time there were others too. However, there were some periods since 1849-1884, and since 1888 untill 1945 where arg. didn't present any claim, which might prejudice our claims.
Anyway, it would be honest to take into account the context of the country in XIX century. Along that century, and for more than 100 years, arg. had a very big economic dependence with the u. k., so, it was obvious that it wasn't in conditions for claiming the british empire for it's rights over the islands.
Respecting the idea of taking the case to some court, since 1884-1888, arg. suggested taking the case to an arbitration, which was rejected by the u. k., and in 1947, the u. k. suggested arg. that the country woud be disposed to take the question of the south georgia and sandwich to the i. c. j., but it didn't include the islands in the proposal. After that oportunity, none of the two countries proposed again to take the question to an arbitration.
As i said in another comment, the case is much more complicated than the mediocre analysis that many of you usually make.
96 kelperabout (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 11:47 pm Report abuse
Cant entirely agree with you 95 axel arg because the soverignty goes so far back in time it was before Argentina or actual Falkland islanders existed. Facts are that in the early period those who discovered and then documented their discovery laid claim to lands. This was the acceptance of the new world. Sometime two or more countries discovered lands just months apart and always agreed that he who proved the validity was awarded the prize. The flkland was first recorded as a discovery in 1592 by the British and later before the Frence became in volved was named bt another Eglishman in th ename of the King of England. I have also since reviewed the first maps produced by the French and believe it or not they have printed many names on their map indicating the acknowledgement that British people had named parts of the Falkland Islands before they took posession. France only left the South Atlantic because it could not afford to continue with the colonisation. France then in a very clever move trying to outsmart britian sold what they thought they owned to the Spanish Namely Port solidad or Port Louis as we know it. Technacly no other part of the falklands were ever sold to Spain. Unfortunatly after Spain gave the Spanish settlers the right to form their own Country Argentina. The Argentines have assumed they inherited the islands. You and I know that this is a fragile claim and is only fueled by your Government when the Country has its own serious internal difficulties. Now of course Oil is a new threat that Argentina is trying to claim. He who bags this huge bonanza will controll the South Atlantic for years to come and as Falkland Islanders happen to be living on the Islands gives them as a people these rights to develope this new industry. Strange as it might seem we did offer a share in the wealth to Argentina but she refused. Also your comment about arbitration could never be justified because it is a soverignty dispute not an industrial challange.
97 axel arg (#) Feb 21st, 2013 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
KELPERABOUT.
This is evident that you don't want to understand how the discovery is considered by the int. right, i can recommend you to read my comments again only.
On the other hand, unfortunatelly you don't realize about your doble standard. You reject argentina's rights over the islands in 1833, but at the same you defend the u. k.'s rights., without taking into account how the discovery is considered by the int. right.
If our rights over the islands were fragil in 1833, the u. k.'s weren't stronger defenetly. I alreadyy explained you in others comments why i think that perhaps the u. k. had right to occupy the islands in virtue of some relevant facts, but it didn't mean that it had to deprive our country of exercising it's rights over the islands, which is what happened since janory3rd 1833.
98 kelperabout (#) Feb 21st, 2013 - 07:10 pm Report abuse
axel arg
Well it seems that your mind is made up nothing before Argentine became involved matters .
Just like when Argentina became a Country what happened before that does not matter either .

It is about time you faced the facts. The Falklands were a British territory years before Argentina came on the scene. That much you have to agree. Spain only came on the scene when France thought they could sell the Islands to them.
Problem with that is Spain never gave Argentina any right to the Islands when they created Argentina.

I think you will find that our case as Falkland islanders wether you like it or not is very much more relevant than any former claims by Your Country .
The good news is that as long as you are stuck in the 18th century we Islanders are growing stronger both in resources and world opinion.

Not sure how or what you say in these circumstances can have any influence on what we desire. We are a people and we do exist on the Falkland islands. We have witnessed first hand Argentina’s aggression and know that we could never trust them again ever. Had Argentina used it's charm 30 years ago it might have been a different story. But because they got greedy killed of any chance they may have had.
Now that we Islanders have been through that period and started to turn our Country into a place of immense wealth there is no longer a chance even 30 more years down the road of Argentina kicking us out.
Get used to it you lost in 1982 you are loosing now.

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