Falklands: UK recalls that Vatican policy is they have no role to play in the dispute
The United Kingdom played down the request made by Argentine President Cristina Fernández to Pope Francis to intervene in the Falklands/Malvinas Islands sovereignty dispute and recalled the recent referendum with an overwhelming support from Islanders to remain a British overseas territory.
The British Foreign Office said on Monday that Britain does not expect the pontiff to intervene in the Islands dispute, and remembered that the Islanders have recently confirmed overwhelmingly their will of remaining as a British Overseas Territory in a referendum performed in the South Atlantic archipelago.
A spokesman of the British Foreign Office indicated that the United Kingdom “does not expect the Vatican’s stance on the Falklands case to change after the request made to the pontiff by President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner.”
Likewise, the spokesman remarked that “The Vatican has been very clear about this matter, indicating that the Falkland Islands [Malvinas] dispute is between two free nations and they [Vatican] have no role to play. And we do not expect them to change that position.”
Cristina Fernández has repeatedly demanded that Britain begin negotiations over the sovereignty of the Islands the two countries went to war over just over 30 years ago, when Argentine military invaded and occupied the South Atlantic archipelago, a demand rejected by the British government.
The Foreign Office had also made its position clear last week by issuing a friendly warning on the matter when a spokesman said “We wish Pope Francis every success in his papal duties. Our position on the Falklands remains, as ever, that the people who live there should be free to determine their own futures”.
Later in the week and following reports in the Argentine press, repeated by the UK media, that Archbishop Jorge Mario Bergoglio had when meeting Malvinas veterans blessed them and stated that the “Malvinas son argentines”, led PM David Cameron to refer to the issue.
“I disagree with him (the Pope), respectfully” said the British PM underlining that residents of the Falklands had made it clear in the referendum that they wanted to remain under British rule.
“There was a pretty extraordinarily clear referendum in the Falkland Islands” Cameron told a news conference in Brussels, where he was attending a European Union summit.
“That is a message to everyone in the world that the people of these Islands have chosen very clearly the future they want. That choice should be respected by everyone”.
“The white smoke over the Falklands was pretty clear,” Cameron said, jokingly referring to the signal over the Sistine Chapel that announces the successful election of a new pope.
While it was Pope Alexander VI who divided the New World between Portugal and Spain in the 15th century, there are no recent precedents for a pope becoming involved in a territorial dispute and experts believe it is unlikely he would wish – or have the time – to become embroiled in the matter.
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Poor bugger ... brainwashed from birth with both the catholic mumbo jumbo and the malvinas lie... never had a chance...
Really?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21835363
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/9938381/Il-snub-David-Cameron-shuns-new-Argentine-Popes-inauguration.html
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/18/argentina-president-falklands-pope
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/argentinian-president-cristina-kirchner-uses-audience-with-pope-francis-to-request-falklands-intervention-8539626.html
You forgot this one ;-)
Falklanders' warning to Francis
Don’t Pope your nose in
www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4842556/falkland-islanders-warn-pope-francis-to-stay-out-of-argentina-dispute.html#ixzz2NxHJJzjR
@3 It isn't only her dress sense... she looks rough as old boots with that droopy face and clown eyes :-}
Have you tried reading the article?
The FO said that the Vatican stated that the dispute was between 2 sovereign nations. The Falklands are not a sovereign nation but a self-governing overseas territory of Britain. That doesn't automatically translate into the Vatican saying that the Falkland Islanders shouldn't have a say in their own future, you just hope it does.
However, on the other hand, the UK hasn't put much stock in what the Vatican has said for the last 500 years.
Lest face it - she and twitman appear to be very worried by the results of democracy in the Islands.
Did they not learn anything from 1982.
CFK is one extremely fanatical women almost on a par with Hitler. Fails me why so many would even look up to her after all she's no oil painting and her interlect well what can you say..
This woman is a national disgrace in both behavior and dress sense,the skin and the face just never look clean, she reminds me of an old scrubber from the back streets of B.A. trying to be something she could never be no matter how much money you steal from your country you can not buy grace and charm.
Or as my old Grandad said, YOU CANT POLISH A TURD!!!!
I wonder if anybody got the sack for not telling her that Britain isnt a Catholic nation, maybe it was DoDgyThink offering up the advice as “they” (lol) are about as naive and ill-informed as she is.
“Oh, yes” said DodgyThink “ I forgot that not every nation is Catholic!”
I also love the way it makes the trolley-dolly Castro look a total ass for her comments last week also!
In fact, in a rather remarkable week & month for Argentine PR disasters, its only Timmerman who hasnt made a complete public tool of himself... whodathunkiteh?
Next stop for CFK & her “Dont let the people know about the Economy” tour : David Icke.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc-Pn4OCl6E
Frankdrebin - every time you read a newspaper???? Yet another brilliant comment.
I encourage that the anti-Catholic bashing on this forum and blog cease, otherwise it will loose credibility just as you both and Frank have. This forum should be used to discuss issues in Latin America, South Atlantic etc and not irrelevant and ignorant comments on religion.
Frankie
she's a Muslim.
@4 No. No marks for comprehension. The Foreign Office spoke about how the Vatican viewed the matter. Not how Britain views the matter. And Britain doesn't refer to a make-believe place.
@17 Does that mean you're a Catholic? Have you the time to research the list of horrors your “church” has perpetrated on the world? It's pursuit of power and wealth? You may be a “good” Catholic, but some minor “penance” doesn't put everything right. Even if it makes you feel better.
@22 Not British then. And just to put you straight, this forum can be used to discuss anything we want to discuss. You should look at the Regions and Topics that come up here. Who are you to dictate what we talk about?
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9940118/Pope-will-remain-neutral-on-Falklands-says-Baroness-Warsi.html
'Argentina needs practical actions after referendum thrashing'
www.globaltimes.cn/content/769149.shtml
'British newspapers called “shameless” to the President - Britain rejects the request of Cristina to the Pope by Malvinas: the Pontiff “has a role to play” in a matter of a bilateral nature...'
www.lagaceta.com.ar/nota/537270/mundo/gran-bretana-rechaza-pedido-cristina-al-papa-malvinas.html
Do not presume to tell people what they can, and cannot discuss in open forum. Regardless of your own opinion, we all have our own opinions, we are entited to them.
The new Pope is Argentinian, has been approached by the argentine president to intervine on the Falklands, in favor of his country, - I think the catholic religion does indeed have a place in this FI related forum.
Why not? It is a contribution to peace and international dialogue. Who is sending UK to the Vatican what to do? It is a typical British colonialist and imperialist reaction 21st century. UK owner of the world thinks. She is the cause of aggression and genocide by the world. Just look at preemptive strikes and humanitarian bombing civilians in Libya Iraq, Afghanistan, Mali and intervening in Syria civil war.
The British domestic public opinion and world public opinion attitude welcomes Argentina dialog.
The British statement refusing to talk is against international law and UN resolutions committee and UN decolonization.
The clearest evidence that world public opinion can no longer be deceived is that the referendum on the islands, and is suspected to be fraudulent, intimidating voters opposed (voice vote), is completely useless to resolve the conflict as is sovereignty. No self-determination. the referendum was not endorsed or authorized by the United Nations. Besides multilateral organizations like the UN, OAS, CELAC, UNASUR, MERCOSUR and equivalents Africa and Asia support the Argentine claim and reject the referendum.
Further evidence that Argentina seeks dialogue and peace under international law and the resolutions of the UN General Assembly (2065) and the committee of United Nations decolonization.
World public opinion welcomes this proposal, because unfortunately UK remains committed to the power of weapons, violence and colonialism and imperialism of the 21st century.
Welcome then this contribution to peace and dialogue.
A number of FACTS are wrong in your rant. In fact there are so many FACTS that are wrong in your rant that it should be dismissed as lies.
1) Firstly, it is Argentinas leader “in the Vatican” trying to tell the Vatican what to do. this is TYPICAL OF ARGENTINA COLONIAL AMBITIONS.
2) you are not interested in “PEACE AND DIALOGUE” it was offered to you one month ago and you refused it. You are interested in COLONIALISM, stealing land from the inhabitants.
3) I agree, that Britain provides forces to support UN peacekeeping missions in the territories listed. Argentina is happy to watch genocide in other countries, because it is too weak and feeble to stop it. it was of course British troops that helped get rid of the genocidal Junta from Argentina...
4) All international views dismiss your claims about intimidation of voters, it is a LIE.
5) A bunch of Latinos and 3rd world dictactorships “support” Argentinas claim...so what...a whole bunch of countries supported Hitler..didnt make him right did it?
6) The UN secretary general has explicitly told you that the resolutions you quote are no longer relevant. Sorry.
7) World public opinion supports a peaceful outcome. YOU do not. As shown in 1982 any hope of military success and youd attempt to thieve the islands again, you own defence minister said so.
once you understand the following three aspects you will be much happier
1) The islands belong to the inhabitants and they choose their affinity and sovereignty.
2) Argentina is a shithole of a corrupt country that the world has pity and disgust for in equal measure.
3) Argentina will NEVER EVEr have sovereignty of any kind over any part of the islands.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 12:12 pm
As a practising, if not very good, Catholic, and an Argentine, I must thank you for coming out against “Catholic bashing”, but I must also insist that your intervention is somewhat unnecessary, as I, personally, don't feel I'm being bashed, the bashing seems to be directed at Pope Francis rather than at Cotholics in general. And the former Cardinal Bergoglio, now Pope Francis, is one of the few people I know who is totally capable of defending himself against all comers.
As to his intervention in the “Malvinas dispute”, at the most he might ask that both nations sit down together to talk, but he certainly will not do more than that. His priorities are to do with a vast clean-up of the Church and the Vatican government, the Curia.
I AWAIT YOUR ANSWER.
Its just a shame that many of the implanted colonialists are memetically infected with Peronism which is nothing other than a form of populism that is guaranteed to ruin the “country” over and over and over again.
Personally i think that if they gave the land back to the indigenous peoples they could do a lot better.
Fat chance of that happening though... too busy planting huge soy plantations that are killing the locals: www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2013/03/201331313434142322.html
Someone has to get involved to further the cause of freedom and democracy because you lot are just a load of pussies, don't blame the British. Never mind, the junta will be back before long.
You will only get told it was nothing to do with Argentina - it was the junta that ignored the resolution,
Did he not see in the news to two weeks ago the most senior Scottish catholic in the UK who has for the past 5 years been saying the nastiest offensive things about gay men and gay marriage was actually the quite happily shagging men himself on the quiet.
Thats why people are sick of your disgusting offensive hypocritical church and the fact the coward disappeared in shame.
Dont come on here telling people what they can and cant say when they are telling the truth, if you dont like the truth mr, and want to close your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears, dont come on forums like this.
With respect to this ridiculous pope and what that plastic faced hag wants him to do re the Falklands - it wont happen, like most catholics, he will feather his own nest and look the other way when there are diffiuclt matters to address.
Where is Oliver Cromwell when you need him, he knew what to do with catholic priests!
www.lavoz.com.ar/noticias/politica/afip-considera-malvinas-como-extranjero
'Oliveri: Malvinas request 'relevant' issue of CFK-Pope Francis meeting'
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/126775/oliveri-malvinas-request-relevant-issue-of-cfkpope-francis-meeting
'Deputies ratified the Argentine claim to legitimate sovereignty of Falkland - Bertero, Benas, White and others repudiated this new attempt of the United Kingdom'
www.elprotagonistaweb.com.ar/index.php?go=v&id=8000
I don't follow that, AIDS is what they call the disease now when the person who has it is close to death, people live with HIV for long and healthy lives now with medication, generally as long as anyone else, and many people who have caught it are heterosexual.
I dont see the connection?
The most important of all is the 1965 resolution 2065 of the UN. United Kingdom has never complied with this resolution. Because of this failure is worth the genocidal military junta to invade the islands in 1982 without the support of the people of Argentina. UK also does not comply with Resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49). After the war 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43 / 25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination.
Remember that Argentina suffered four British invasions (1806-1807-1833-1845). But it is useless to talk to you. You keep attacking and insulting to all those who think differently from you. Essential in a democracy. Opting for peace and understanding violence, colonialism and imperialism English.
For you peace and dialogue, are concepts that you do not want to understand. Everyone hopes that the United Kingdom.
Learn the Pope Francisco.
Do not bother to answer. I expect nothing from you.
Just wait a minute, let me get my violin out. Ok, now please continue.
Here are some pics of the Argentine people not supporting the war in 1982.
images.google.com/search?hl=en&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&q=plaza+de+mayo+1982&oq=plaza+de+mayo+1982&gs_l=img.3...4289.11321.0.12574.18.15.0.3.0.0.348.2812.0j11j3j1.15.0...0.0...1ac.1.6.img._BWb-JmH1aE&biw=1024&bih=672&sei=jp9IUea_I5LT4QTHwYC4DQ
Are you smarter than him
have you got a better grasp of UN rules
Are you the proprietor of the UN guidelines
Or are you making shit up on a Internet bulletin board and looking stupid in the process?
You seem to think that 2065 suggests Argentina should get sovereignty, it does NO SUCH thing. In fact it suggests quite the opposite. It suggests the solution should be in line with the UN charter and in the interests of the islanders.
UN charter:
All people's have a right to self-determination
Interests f the islanders:
A country that supports their human rights to self determination, defends them against their enemies and gives them full right to develop their own resources...or a country that wants to deny their existence and steal from them....
It's a toughie Raul.
You really are an irredeemable piece of work, aren't you Raul? The bent moral compasses of the Malvanitas never ceases to amaze and disgust me -- or are the broader implications of what you say simply blinded out by your myopic lust to stand on someone else's neck for you to see that if the Junta had no right to oppress ~Argentines,~ they had no right to share that “love of country” with others.
As for recognizing a “dispute,” (sadly) I do this in the “real world” (not the farce that is international politics) more than I'd like to admit. I recognize that there are people who want other people's offices (though the current occupants have had that space for years and are using them effectively), they want other people's personnel (but they have better deals with others and REALLY don't want to work with the people who covet their talent), they want other people's budgets (because they have squandered their own through mismanagement), and they never understand the word “NO!” and won't shut up with their unreasonable demands. I recognize them because I can't fire them -- yet. The difference between these maladjusted gits and maladjusted AR is that once they DO cross that red line, I can get them fired. Maladjusted AR, not so much it seems.
'...the genocidal military junta to invade the islands in 1982 without the support of the people of Argentina.'
PSML
And I am a 20metre tall talking pink rabbit....Please remember where you posting, we are all fully aware of the support of the Argentine peope for the invasion.
1807? etc... FFS are you some sort of broken android.
You want peace? Trying to annex Islands hundreds of miles away against the wishes of almost the entire population (if not all) goes against that statement.
These sick. You're full of hatred and bitterness. Everyone knows that these photos are not representative of the Argentine people. Very pathetic and pitiful of you.
49 Monkeymagic
Please can you explain how the UN Secretary General says that Britain is not in violation of UN resolutions and think they are?
The eradication of colonialism, according to the principles of the Charter and the relevant resolutions of the UN, is our common task, “said Ban Ki-moon
en.mercopress.com/2013/03/01/ban-ki-moon-calls-for-a-more-inclusive-dialogue-on-decolonization
You are too arrogant. Be more humble. Read the UN resolutions committee and UN decolonization.
50 GFace
Why do you lie so much? Always in this forum repudiate the military junta for its genocide the people of Argentina. We suffered 30,000 missing.
Néstor and Cristina Kirchner did justice sending to jail the genocidal military.
”Six Nobel Peace Prize require the United Kingdom to resume negotiations over sovereignty
Read the following link.
'
www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=630397.
51 screenname
Remember that the specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population (civilian and military) and not allow its return, in violation of the territorial integrity of Argentina.
Furthermore, they are very critical of the large number of official attendees -some 140 persons - all of whom charged their expenses to official funds. This in spite of the Pontiff's requests that Argentines should not travel to Rome but to donate the equivalent funds to charities for the poor.
Not a very popular public relations exercise by la Kretina, Timermann et al!
Final chance:
1)Irradiation of colonialism would not be inventing a new colony of Islas Malvinas with the population governed against their will.
2) no civilian population was ever expelled, if you don't believe me ask Think, he can show you it in your own National Archives. The militia that was expelled had been there 2 MONTHs and had already mutineed and murdered their captain and raped his wife. Seven of the 59 (listed in your National archive) were executed in Argentina because of the mutiny.
You are too dishonest, be more truthful. read the UN charter, read the results of the referendum, read 2065 and consider what self determination and the interests of the islanders might be. Consider what the results of sovereignty negotiations should be....I.e.Argentina growing up and leaving Patagonia and returning it to the indigenous,
You REALLY don't get it do you, Raul.
You can't have the Junta and a just invasion as you implied in @50. The Junta had no right to throw people out of airplanes. Doing so negated their right to rule Argentina. Only a dyed in the wool fascist would explicitly say that they had such a right. And following that if they didn't have the right to do it in Argentina they had no right under any circumstances to expand that system to a new group of people who explicitly rejected the thought of them being handed over to them.
Now tell me Raul, what does that say about YOU since you recognized the Junta's “right” to invade the Falklands in post @46. And this “right” to send over your Dirty War, YOUR problem, was actively celebrated (and BTW, it is you who are the liar, not us) the day of the invasion by rank-n-file Argentines, the photos don't lie. Worse still, this “right” continues to be celebrated by the Kirchner government while “rejecting” the Junta and the fact that they blew any chance of getting on the Islanders' good side in perpetuity without genuine remorse for your country's war crimes. You celebrated it with a COIN.
You can no more have a legitimate invasion of the Islands in 82 AND reject your country's Junta any more than Germans can honestly support annexation of Poland and Czechoslovakia BUT reject the Nazis.
If you can't recognize this, then I think it's obvious that I am talking to a died in the wool fascist in denial. And his name is Raul.
Of course not all of those pics are of thousands upon thousands of Argentinians celebrating the outbreak of war.
Some of them are of mothers protesting their niños desaparecidos.
You know as well as we do that British history in the S Atlantic and indeed Antarctic, goes back to long before 1833.
Sorry but the fact is you arrived there long after it was all established British territory, you know it, we know it, and the world is learning it.
“Involvement of all concerned: the Special Committee, the administering Powers and the Non-Self-Governing Territories”, is what Mr Moon said.
No mention of any fourth parties like Argentina.
You should read what Ban-Ki Moon says about this issue, completely contradicts everything you have to say.
@58. Quite true. But the number of people celebrating the forced annexation the Islanders were celebrating the creation of more weeping mothers from the forcibly annexed territory. That's something that seems to be totally lost on apologists like Raul.
He goes on to say ”the islands did not know anyone until you start talking about that war. Now, as the image of our president is declining nonsense looking to add more followers. These people are ruling us, we are transformed into Cuba, we can not buy dollars, they take money we collect a normal salary, live in a nasty inflation and we have many drug killings every day. This is the government of CFK, created and maintained that charges people money without working. IS A DISASTER! The war was very cruel, killed many young guys who did not know or use a knife and sent him to hunger and pain there. Pure responsibility of our governments. But I, like many Argentines, we have no quarrel with you, our problem remains the same Argentines who ruled us and we still rule” Take note TROLLS this is from an 18 years old that ACTUALLY lives in ARGENTINA not CANADA or EUROPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
It has been pointed out to you on very many occasions , Raul. You just choose to ignore the fact. YOU yourself even posted on the thread so don't act like you have no idea about it.
en.mercopress.com/2012/11/12/ban-ki-moon-and-colonialism-people-should-be-able-to-decide-their-own-future
“I don’t think Security Council members are violating relevant UN resolutions. The impression is that people who are living under certain conditions should have access to certain level of capacities so that they can decide on their own future. And that is the main criteria of the main UN bodies.”
“the UN has been working strongly from its very beginning to help non autonomous territories to achieve independence”
“I sincerely hope that as we move along the XXI century, all the people in the world can enjoy independence and the freedoms of those structures”
Please do not tell me not to answer you especially your lies it will not work my friend. Thank god there are enough people here to challenge your lies and stupid propoganda installed into you from an early age,you are so stupid you now argue at photographic proof you are indeed a sad individual
Or even video.....
youtu.be/_xqwNsmzCbM
is call for a holy war..lol.
but today,
just who if any would rally to the cause,
names anybody, ??
It is interesting that Argentine were able to overthrow the Junta after the war was lost, but not before or during.
This idea that the Junta was against the will of the people is horseshit...they loved it, nationalism, racism, violence, crime, weasely spite against your neighbour....and then pure innocence “it wasn't me” after the event...or in a single word ARGENTINIANS.
It's what they are, a backward, cowardly, deceitful, corrupt, dishonest rabble. Who hide behind demagogues and religion to try and disguise their natural tendency for crime.
You see it with Raul.
“we got a UN resolution passed that said that both parties should discuss sovereignty in line with the UN charter and the interests of the islanders”
These discussions were had, but what Argentina wanted (wants) is neither in line with the UN charter nor in the interests of the islanders....BUT because that leads to the only logical outcome (self-determination)...he thinks it is Britains fault the Junta invaded.
They are the wife beater who blames the wife for provocation, the thief who blames the victim for lack of security, the rapist who blames the girl for the clothes she wears, the mugger who blames the victim for wearing an expensive watch.....the murderer who blames his upbringing, anything but take responsibility for their own failings.....
I know there are some wonderful people in Argentina, they must be heartbroken to see their country raped by CFK, and her supporters like Raul.
Simple fact Raul is that talks -including Sovereignty - started about 1970 - and the last round was held in early March 1982 - less than ONE MONTH before your Govt lost its marbles and Invaded with Brute Force - with full intentions of killing all the resident British Forces in their beds - by a night attack with Phosphourous Grenades on their barracks.
Luckily they were out on guard and not in there.
So please answer the question-
Who broke and ignored UN Requests in 1982?
Give you a clue it was NOT Britain.
Also a Year ago a formal Invitiatiopn to have talks was sent to your current Govt by the elected Govt of the Islands - it has never been relpied to by your Govt.
And just a month ago in public in London your Foreign Minister refused to sit down and talk to elected Islands Govt Representatives.
So far, jus a week after the referendum we already have politicians from Chile- Uruguay-Brazil and Mexico stating that your Govt is making a complete ARSE of itself in its attitude and actions over the Islands and the dispute.
www.elheraldo.hn/Secciones-Principales/Mundo/Insulza-esceptico-de-que-Papa-medie-por-Malvinas
'Global Village - The first mistake was to focus on the appointment of Jorge Bergoglio from the logic of domestic politics, shrinking and flattening the look at levels as laughable as pathetic. The second would be to ignore that dimension, and pretend that the transformation of the former archbishop of Buenos Aires in the Pope Francisco only concerns the spiritual plane or a harmless side beatific international concert...'
www.elheraldo.hn/Secciones-Principales/Mundo/Insulza-esceptico-de-que-Papa-medie-por-Malvinas
'The projects presented Senator Malvinas Pallares - Senator José Luis Pallares presented three projects reaffirming Argentina's sovereignty over Falklands and Antarctica and repudiating “British maneuvers to sustain colonialist usurpation of territories that legitimately belong to us....”
www.agencianova.com/nota.asp?n=2013_3_19&id=36003&id_tiponota=22
'Former soldiers camping out in Plaza de Mayo marching to demand recognition - Recruits former soldiers camped for five years in the Plaza de Mayo tomorrow will march through the City of Buenos Aires to demand the State to resolve the situation and formally recognized as veterans of the Falklands War...'
noticias.terra.com.ar/politica/especial-malvinas-a-30-anos-de-la-guerra/exsoldados-que-acampan-en-plaza-de-mayo-salen-a-marchar-en-demanda-de-reconocimiento,5799ef76b148d310VgnCLD2000000ec6eb0aRCRD.html
What else can I say ...........
”Remember that the specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population (civilian and military) and not allow its return, in violation of the territorial integrity of Argentina.”
1/- There is no Malvinas, unless you succeed in invading and occupying the Falklands again.
If you capture it you can rename the Falklands-but that will be against UN regulations.
I'm not putting my money on your lot succeeding. You can,( if you fancy losing it).
2/-The civilian population in 1833 was not expelled and your numerically superior (to the British forces)military did not resist because most of the naval section was made up of British born mercenaries who refused to fight their own countrymen (the sailors from the United Provinces did not have to guts to go so your leader Pinedo used Brits, bit of a cock up there eh chey?).
Suck on that.
3/- Wrong again, Argentina did not exist in 1833, so its territorial integrity could not be violated. Even if had existed as a country, its borders were 1000 miles away from the Falkland Islands, ie a long way off.
To break territorial integrity Argentina would have had to have possession of Patagonia, but as it did not exist in 1833 that's imposssible.
You also seem to forget Britain did not claim or occupy the Islands first in 1833-they were claimed in 1690 and settled in 1765.
If Argentina has the right to claim the Falklands from 1833 (most of the settlers in the 1820's were from Europe and not South America, including several Brits (inconvinient that isn't it?) Vernet's preferred personel), then the Uk has the right to pursue it's claim from 1690 and more importantly the settlement in 1765.
If the UK cannot claim from 1765 because they suspended occupation for a few years then it follows by that reasoning the fact that Argentina (formed in 1853) has only been on the Falklands for 3 months in 1982, since 1853, cannot claim after non occupation either.
A basement? Get your facts right if you are going to pretend you are someone else.
Well said Raul!
what a stupid impersonation of Isolde, Sussie.
sorry, BORING and stupid.
yawn, bye...
Then it seems is finished, all washed up,
No friends
No mates
No comrades
No allies,
No holy back up
No military,
No money,
No islands
And we could go on all night.
Resign before its to late..
Normally I just ignore your postings but when #79 praised you I thought I would have a look .
Full of lies and half truths as usual. e.g.
“Just look at preemptive strikes and humanitarian bombing”
Correct, we have bombed govt. military targets to prevent a slaughter of the civilian populations. Humanitarian means to help the civil population.
“bombing Mali and intervening in Syria”
Please post details of ANY airstrikes by UK forces in Mali....I don't think you will find any. The French have but of course you have to blame the UK for EVERYTHING...it is Argentinian Holy Writ. Our “interference” in Syria is trying to prevent a dictator from murdering the civilian population by getting world support against a ruthless murderer. We have no troops or aircraft involved and have not supplied any weapons to the rebel forces.
You are rather good at making up unfounded stories but you have nothing of value to say except blind prejudice.
“The British domestic public opinion and world public opinion attitude welcomes Argentina dialog.”
What exactly brings you to that conclusion.
I think I have a better idea of UK opinion than you... our opinion is nearer “get stuffed”
So you are just posting the same old drivel that you spout interminably
Pete. Even if Argentina was a country in 1833 territorial integrity was not a bloody law untill the mid 1900's
I have never heard of anything so bloody stupid as to saying we broke a law a good hundred years before it even existed.
Actually well pointed out. I keep forgetting that UN principles only count from 1945 onwards, otherwise the territorial integrity argument could go back to cavemen.
I am quite bemused bt the Argentine's assertion that Argentina means anything from the BA government to the Provinces of the River Plate, when it was formed in 1853 and not before.
Or HIS dress.
go back to sleep
snorrrrrrrre
never did , never have , never will do.
Sussie-dummy
that is not true. argentine girls use laser to get rid of the unwanted pubic hair.
The true is that UK PM David Camoron needs an extension to fuck
Da England Kueen asshole!
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuujajaja
Camoron penis is very short like the rest of all british men.
“Da England Kueen” - You have been watching too much Blackadder!!
And how do you know what “Argentine girls do”, I very much doubt that girls of any nationality let you anywhere near them.
@96sussie
You must try and get over this fixation with the Anglo penis, we are not going to let you anywhere near one. You will just have too make do with what you have got available.
Stiff upper lip old girl, what!!
Pugol is a bloody rubbish english penis!
Please give us more of your enlightened thoughts.
Actually WIMP in English is an acronym for wonderfully, incisive, marvellous person.
Yours faithfully, a secret admirer.
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