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US Congress to discuss devastating report on Cristina Fernandez administration

“Under the corrupt populist government of President Cristina Fernandez Argentina is back on the road to ruin” is the kick off for an extremely critical report to be discussed by the US Congress and which was drafted by Douglas Farah, senior research fellow at the International Assessment and Strategy Centre under the heading of “Back to the future”.

There seems to be no limit to the Argentine president authoritarianism and disdain for the rule of the law

The 64 pages Farah report dates from last February and enumerates some of the most controversial issues of Cristina Fernandez administration: relations with the Teheran regime; change of position regarding the AMIA attack despite the findings from Prosecutor Alberto Nisman which are reproduced in the report; expansion of organized crime, particularly referred to drugs traffic; the shady relations with business people friends of the Kirchner family and power or crony capitalism with special reference to the energy sector, plus attacks on freedom of expression and freedom of the press such as stigmatizing the media and journalists, the use of official publicity and intervening in the newsprint market.

According to the Farah report Cristina Fernandez domestically faces a raft of crises. Inflation has ballooned to an estimated annualized 28%, the highest in Latinamerica. Unemployment is climbing, the flight of capital is accelerating, official corruption is very much extended, the dollar clamp has eroded business opportunities and dozens of international corporations have been forced to abandon Argentina.

The report however is previous to the advance of the Argentine Executive on the Justice branch and system, and the latest major corruption case which has a businessman close to the family and alleged ‘front man’ for former president Nestor Kirchner, exposed as probably the main public works contractor in Patagonia (with a monopoly of different companies) and involved in money laundering to Belize, Caribbean, Panama and Switzerland.

“The government of Cristina Fernandez is facing multiple political and economic crises and has further strengthened her alliances with the US and the region’s democracy major antagonists: Venezuela and Iran”.

Likewise the report states that the growing authoritarianism of Cristina Fernandez and her growing disdain for the rule of law both nationally and internationally puts Argentina on the path to international default and isolation from its most democratic traditional partners, including the US, Brazil, Chile and Colombia.
 

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1 toooldtodieyoung (#) May 01st, 2013 - 06:06 am Report abuse
Well, if you are going to fail, better to go for the complete FAIL rather than failing a little bit huh???

Inflation has ballooned

Unemployment is climbing

The flight of capital is accelerating

Official corruption is very much extended

The dollar clamp has eroded business opportunities

Dozens of international corporations have been forced to abandon Argentina.

She's got all the boxes ticked, don't you think......................?
2 Iron Man (#) May 01st, 2013 - 07:10 am Report abuse
@1 more to go for perhaps?.....

Amending the constitution to give herself a third term - throw in a bit of electoral fraud if required, because the people don't always know what's good for them.

Judicial persecution of opponents

Nationalisation of private assets

State sponsored terrorism

War with other nations (unlikely given the state of the armed forces, admittedly)

Suppression of democratic rights such as the right to protest

Because you've got to have ambition, right? Plenty left for CFK to get her teeth into.
3 BOTINHO (#) May 01st, 2013 - 07:34 am Report abuse
From the reports this morning, I fear our neighbors to the North and South are both starting to crumble apart.
4 DanyBerger (#) May 01st, 2013 - 07:48 am Report abuse
Oh! wait a minute please...

www.douglasfarah.com/_images/douglas-farah-discussion2.jpg

This Douglas Farah a tool of the “Mossad” and Muslim hater its is not the same that says that the Georgetown University is being taken by the Muslim Brotherhood?

Bloody ‘ll he looks like a terrorist ready to bomb everyone by a religious reasons.

May be another crazy Zionist out there perhaps? inventing conspiracy theories like Saddam’s WMD?

What it is really dangerous and makes US a dangerous country for the international community its is that these people operates over US politician so easy and their buy all that crap that ends in wars based on lies.

I cannot understand why the yanks allowed to be ruined they countries by a little group of individuals that drives US political agenda based in Jerusalem.

Any answer please? Any idiot flag waving out there?
5 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 07:59 am Report abuse
Hahahahahaha!!!!
These yanquis are hilarious.
They seem to believe the rest of the World are as uneducated as them.

I said it yesterday and I say it today.
There is not one single thinking human being with an ounce of source criticism that will take that report seriously.
It is biased in the ABSTRACT!
At least wait until the empirical data before trying to manipulate the facts.
And personal feeling has also a place, in the conclusion section. :)

Dismissed (by all except Murdoch and sidekicks)

Hahahaha
6 toxictaxitrader2 (#) May 01st, 2013 - 08:09 am Report abuse
4 dany berger
You really should not judge by appearances,C.F.K. looks like a dockside hoe but I suspect those girls have more savvy!
7 Porto Margaret (#) May 01st, 2013 - 08:19 am Report abuse
¿Qué?

The naughty Pinocho.
8 Monkeymagic (#) May 01st, 2013 - 08:20 am Report abuse
Stevie

Are you suggesting that those in Latam are better educated than those in the US?

But this would directly contradict your argument just two days ago, that the lack of any innovative or entrepreneurial success in Latam (as borne out by Nobel prizes was the example) was due to “lack of opportunity”.

I am confused by this contradiction. Either the US is “uneducated” as you suggest above, but their record of Nobel Science prizes, innovations, inventions and improvements to the knowledge of man is someway false...or somehow the boogie has cheated you again, and it's all unfair.

It's the boogie man isn't it Stevie?

Really, you Uruguaians are terribly well educated but you've been cheated haven't you...LOL
9 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 08:28 am Report abuse
8
I'm sure there are educated yanquis, Monkey.
But those ones that wrote that particular article, are not.

When you write a report, there are guidelines to follow.
Those guidelines are accepted worldwide as a method of documentation, gathering of data, presentation and even personal judgement.

That report is biased and written by an upset 15-year old girl in her worst week of the month.

And it will be regarded accordingly.
10 surfer (#) May 01st, 2013 - 09:06 am Report abuse
Change the subject.... Check

Shoot the messenger..... Check

Which part of the report is factually wrong?
11 toooldtodieyoung (#) May 01st, 2013 - 09:11 am Report abuse
9 Stevie

Yes, yes, YES!! we get it.

All is well in Argentina!!

nothing to see here,

move along, move along!!

Just just some ramblings of an 15-year old girl in her worst week of the month........ a 15-year old girl called Douglas Farah...LOL

Oh you crazy kidz!!! You crazy kidz!!!
12 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 09:25 am Report abuse
Douglas Farah is a US Tool and his rantings are quite similar to those of a 15 year old girl in her worst week of the month...
13 Steve-33-uk (#) May 01st, 2013 - 09:45 am Report abuse
'EE.UU.: they presented draft resolution to recognize the referendum in Falklands -
The Republican Mario Diaz-Balart, together with other 15 pro-Government deputies and opponents, calls for the Obama administration to validate the result of the vote.Prosper the initiative of these legislators, which Carlos Pagni LA Nacion journalist realizes in his column today , to break with neutrality maintained so far U.S. policy towards the Falklands conflict.
The project indicates that the Islanders “have the right to determine their own future” and therefore requested is that “United States recognized the referendum in the Islands since it reflects the free and democratic expression”. Furthermore States that “opinion and rights of the islanders should be taken into account in any future discussion on the future” of the Falkland Islands.
“Resolution which I tabled together with my colleagues recognized that the results of the referendum are a clear expression of how Islanders want to be governed, and urges that future dialogue on the Falkland Islands should include the views and you the same Islanders”, said Diaz-Balart .
Washington - Republican Mario Diaz-Balart introduced last Friday, together with other 15 pro-Government deputies and opponents, a draft resolution to the Barack Obama administration recognize the outcome of the referendum of last March, in which the inhabitants of the Malvinas Islands expressed its willingness to continue under British rule....'
www.lanacion.com.ar/1577731-eeuu-presentaron-proyecto-de-resolucion-para-reconocer-el-referendum-en-malvinas
14 surfer (#) May 01st, 2013 - 09:53 am Report abuse
I know the malvinistas like to rant rather than read so tell me this.......

Which part of the report is factually wrong?
15 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 10:47 am Report abuse
surfer
It is biased.

If it's wrong or not is up to the reader to decide.

But the fact that it is biased takes all value of the report, as the reader isn't supposed to get information out of it, but already made up views.

I have never ever read a report that is so obviously biased already in the abstract, and I have read LOADS of reports.
16 GALlamosa (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:05 am Report abuse
Whatever your views about Mr Farah, and I have no knowledge of him at all, there is no smoke without fire. Even the most ardent of RG nationalists and CFK supporters must be able to see not all is well, and the attempts to politically control the judiciary must be the last straw for right thinking respecters of democracy. If you want authoritarian dictatorship then go for it. but don't try to fool the rest of the world into thinking you have a functioning democracy.

There is an awful lot of smoke, and we think we know the seat of the fire, don't we ?? Thugs rule.
17 darragh (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:06 am Report abuse
@15 Stevie

I am only an ignorant Irishman so am unable to detect bias in a report - perhaps you would care to elucidate!
18 Teaboy2 (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:10 am Report abuse
So Stevie the report is biased because its based on true facts is it? i suggest you look up the meaning of the word biased! As there is nothing unfair about reporting true facts nor is there any prejudice in reporting true facts. You just don't like what you read and therefore claim its biased, but the truth is, its not biased just because you don't like what you read.

For it to be biased it would have to be based on deliberately misleading untrue facts which would therefore mean it would be unfair and prejudice Argentina. Douglas Job was to report the true facts and that is what he did - Nothing biased about that!

You haven't even read the full 64 pages of the report, i suspect. So you can hardly come on here proclaiming a report that you have not read yourself as being biased just because you don't like what you heard in this news article about what was in the report.
19 RICO (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:11 am Report abuse
Just because your paranoid doesn't mean everyone's not out to get you.

Is inflation high (28%) and rising - yes

Is unemployment rising - yes

Is there capital flight ( I presume so what with the widening difference between official and unofficial exchange rates and the seizure of privhate assets and restricting currency transfers I would expect it).

Is official corruption growing (the signs are there but it is difficult to prove with the government blocking Argentina proper independent investigations).

Is the dollar clamp eroding business opportunities (of course if business cannot buy the goods it needs to operate and outsiders don't invest because they cannot get their money out).

Dozens of international businesses have been forced to abandon Argentina (presumably the report names them, but the risks of operating in the country has massively increased what with the privatisation of YPF, the politicisation of the courts, the use of private paramilitary groups by the government, the falsification of economic statistics, opposition street protests - this is not unexpected)

This guy may be the most bias person in the universe but his conclusions do seem consistent with what is happening in the country.
20 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:13 am Report abuse
Stevie, The info in the report is all well known and factual, most of it was pulled from public sources.
There is no reason for it to be biased what would the writer gain or even the readers gain?

The report is damning and is one in a series of truly awful reports being made all over DC about Argentina. Treasury just got done with theirs too and basically called Argentina a rogue nation and scofflaw.

I think the only question people are asking is do we tighten the noose now or just wait for CFK do it all on her own.
rattatatat rattatatat
happy retirement bag lady and fatmat
21 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:16 am Report abuse
17
Try
“Under the corrupt populist government of...” in the abstract.

If you write a report like that, you state the actual doings and let the reader decide if there is corruption and populism.
Or you present proof to back your claims.
That is done under the empiric facts in the same report.
Your personal views on the matter belong to the discussion and conclusion section.
The abstract is to give the reader a quick introduction to the matter that is being studied in the actual report.

Love to your Island.
22 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:23 am Report abuse
I bet CFK is squirming just like the posters on this board.
It is hard when reality intrudes on the delusional alternate world you've created for yourself.
Can you triple Lithium dosage?
Is that why her wig is crooked all the time now?
23 darragh (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:23 am Report abuse
@21 Stevie

So what you're saying then is that bias, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

I kind of thought that that was what you meant.
24 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:30 am Report abuse
darragh
Not at all.
It's biased because it has no other meaning than to give the reader a view that is already made up.
It has no intention on informing on actual matters, as Little as it present any type of proof, other than the usual rantings that are most common on sites like MP.

The very fact that no decent (not Murdoch sidekick) news agency has published this story speaks volumes.
25 darragh (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:44 am Report abuse
@24 Stevie

Please excuse my ignorance but surely your view is “already made up” so your opinion is as worthless as anybody else whose opinion is “already made up”

As we say here in Ireland “you can't have your cake and eat it too”
26 andy65 (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:48 am Report abuse
@Stevie, tell us all what it is that makes.....

ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
27 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:52 am Report abuse
Well darragh
I'm not writing reports on USA, am I?
And if I did, you'd surely agree with me it was biased, would you not?

andy the toe
Not at all, it's more of USA always being the hypocrite...
28 andy65 (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
So a truth teller is a hypocrite in Argentina?? you don't see anything bent or corrupt with your leader??? this is not just the USA criticism as been levelled at your country from many organisations for months now why do you think that is
29 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:04 pm Report abuse
andy the toe

Don't confuse truth with propaganda...
30 andy65 (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:08 pm Report abuse
@stevie and do you think Hilary Clinton was misguided when she asked the question if your beloved botox queen was a nutter????

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8169552/WikiLeaks-Hillary-Clinton-questions-the-mental-health-of-Cristina-Kirchner.html
31 gabol67 (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
i think (Stevie) is a member of La Compora and the same person that tweets on behalf of CFK.
Poor (Stevie) is trying to convince himself that all is alright in Argentina. Ha ha.
32 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:20 pm Report abuse
You mean Hillary Clinton, the psychiatrist?
33 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:24 pm Report abuse
You certainly don't have to have medical training to see CFK has serious problems with her connection to reality.

Any hope of getting the USA Gov't to intervene in anything went out the door when our military jet was illegally boarded.
It has been all downhill since then
Was I right again?
Yes, yes I was

I said a long time ago payback is a b*tch
34 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
33
With that argument, you are in badly need of help, yanqui...
35 JamesS (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:31 pm Report abuse
I've not heard an official word from the national government denying corruption why is this considering its a serious accusation + La Campora are very well known for clogging up the social network defending the K model ! Stevie seems to be on here 24/7 and as Lanata uncovered most of her Twitter followers are fake accounts ! most likely Stevie contributes to a lot of them.....
36 andy65 (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:31 pm Report abuse
@ Stevie, My point is Stevie people from all over the world from many different countries look on your leader as being to say it mildly disturbed,now you say Argentina is not always the victim so why do you think people keep getting it wrong about your beloved queen?? do you agree people only react to what they see and hear from a person so perhaps Kirchner just comes across badly or is it us on the outside looking in constantly get it wrong?? and finally do you get paid for being stupid or does it just come naturally???
37 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:34 pm Report abuse
andy of the toe

Personally, I don't agree with all of Argentinas policies and decisions.
Some of them even affects my country in a negative way.

But you lot are NOT the ones to point fingers, you are bloody worse in every aspect of the word.

Lead by example or follow and shut up, simple as that.
38 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:36 pm Report abuse
Stevie, When the floods hit and CFK had do a walk around, she was obviously out of her mind, you could see it in her face, the way she was dressed and her speech.
She is a nutter
a bi-polar nutter barely clinging to reality
Sorry if you can't see it
everyone else can
Why do you think nobody from a civilized country will meet with her?
39 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
yanqui
Stop calling yourself civilized.

Look at Guantanamo.
Look at Abu Ghraib.
Look at Afghanistan.
Look at Iraq.

You lot aren't civilized, you just have the biggest weapons.
40 andy65 (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:39 pm Report abuse
@ Stevie Sorry to have ruffled your feathers but what do you mean

But you lot are NOT the ones to point fingers, you are bloody worse in every aspect of the word.

We are just pointing out the obvious how your beloved queen is destroying your country and yet you do not see it hopefully if you can hang on till 2017 when the oil starts flowing in our beloved Falkland Islands they might just show compassion and throw you a life line, you see led by America that's how the English speaking countries of the world react to a friend in need we go out and help
41 Trunce (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
@32

“You mean Hillary Clinton, the psychiatrist?”

Quite right. She could get a diagnosis locally if needed ; )

edition.cnn.com/2013/04/28/health/argentina-psychology-therapists/index.html
42 andy65 (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:59 pm Report abuse
@Stevie, I think you are quite rude to our distinguished poster Yankiboy also where's Think and Dover commonly known as Thinkedover are they of duty today??
43 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
Well if that word doesn't suit you replace it with “legitimate”.
Better?
I am not sure why the Arg Embassy is still open in USA and UK.
They could use the money to import Cancer meds instead of letting people die
44 ChrisR (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:04 pm Report abuse
To all the nay sayers of the Dark Country.

I will, for the sake of the 'argument' (as in considered discussion between grown-ups) agree that the report IS in error.

NOW, what difference is it going to make to the US Congress? Are THEY going to believe all you trolls?

OF COURSE NOT!

I personally do not imagine this report can be too biased because the author has his credibility to consider. If Congress deduce this report is not accurate and in fact they doubt its' veracity, they will not consider using any report by the author ever again.

So, whether you like it or not the report WILL stand with Congress.
45 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:15 pm Report abuse
Chris
As an engineer you know perfectly well what I'm referring to regarding the report.
And I truly hope you never wrote anything like that, or indeed payed any kind of attention to a report constructed in such a manner.

Or you would be a disgrace to... your profession.
46 Steve-33-uk (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:18 pm Report abuse
'Currents will support the campaign by the bilateral dialogue over the Malvinas - Management of the intendant Camau Espinola, together with legislative authorities, various civil entities and citizens, will support the campaign “One million signatures by bilateral dialogue” before the issue of the Islands....'
www.corrienteshoy.com/vernota.asp?id_noticia=133222

'The air force celebrates its baptism of fire with a Filippo megaescultura
The air force today reminds its 31st anniversary of baptism of fire, which occurred during the war of the Malvinas Islands. Norberto Filippo artist made a replica of the Falkland Islands from 2 kilometers long and one and a half wide that is displayed from the air...'
www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2013/5/1/fuerza-aerea-conmemora-bautismo-fuego-megaescultura-filippo-711565.asp
47 Faz (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:19 pm Report abuse
The whole rotten mess that is present day Rgland reminds me of the step by step transformation that occurred in Orwells Animal farm. The good thing about that is that other nations can clearly see that. The bad thing is that many of the inhabitants seem, like Stevie and the rest of the ignorant trolls, to be blissfully unaware of what is happening to their homeland, even defending their corrupt government on forums like this.
After resolution 2065, the UK did play the white man and seriously try to reach an accord with the Rgs and the Islanders, but this was completely halted by the Rg invasión leading to 30 years of distrust. The current destruction of Rgland, by a corrupt and increasingly authoritarian government is just reinforcing British determination to make the Falklands self supporting and prosperous free of any Rg influence in the foreseeable future.
This man may be a tosser, but what he is saying is largely truthful and will only distance Rgland from developed nations classifying it as a pariah and basket case.
48 Conqueror (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:26 pm Report abuse
@4 Wow! You got all of that out of one photograph? But why wouldn't you? Now that you're “in bed” with Iran, the obvious enemy is the Mossad. If you're in bed with Iran, does that make you one of the 72 “virgins”? Why didn't you stick to having him as an enemy just because he writes about the criminal nature of latin america? Too obvious, ducky.
@5 Read it, have you? Did you get any further than the second paragraph? You know, the one where it says her personal fortune jumped from US$1.6 million in 2003 to US$18 million by the end of 2012. Figures taken from her own public disclosures.
@9 Are you suggesting that that picture that the Burger King gave a link to is of a 15-year old girl? You need spectacles.
@12 Are you not a Tool? You sound like one.
@15 Just a thought. Why is it biased? Given that it's a report intended for the U.S. Congress and is likely to reflect U.S. interests, why is that unacceptably biased? After all, CFK and her stooges like to quote around 40 UN resolutions, all of which are NON-BINDING. Isn't that biased? They also like to ignore the UN Charter. Isn't that biased?
@21 I don't understand your objection. It's a government. It's populist. And it's corrupt. Look at it this way. If you trip over a spade in the dark, you may call it all sorts of things. But it's still a spade.
@24 Don't understand where you're going. Perhaps if you noted that it's not an “article”. It's a report. And it's 64 pages long. Why would any news agency publish a 64 page report when it can be freely read at strategycenter.net?
@27 How would you know? Ever been there?
@29 WE don't. It's why we pay scant attention to CFK. She wouldn't know “truth” if it bit her arse. And she's crap at propaganda. Except amongst equally thick latinos.
@31 No. We KNOW that “Stevie” is a member of La Campora. How do you think he gets to spend so much time here? It's his “job”. Just watch. “Stevie” won't even try to answer any of my comments. Although he might insult.
49 Trunce (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:29 pm Report abuse
@47

“ the UK did play yhe white man”

A little training required for that Faz.

www.highspeedtraining.co.uk/business-skills/equality-and-diversity-training-course.aspx?gclid=CI2oseyA9bYCFdHMtAod_F8AnA
50 Tobers (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:32 pm Report abuse
shes hideous - in any sense of the word.
51 Welsh Wizard (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:35 pm Report abuse
Stevie. Hi. Can you clear something up for me/give your view. How is the new law relating to changes of the judiciary going to get rid of corruption. I understand that it will chage the system itself but not how it will eliminate corruption. Corruption of the judiciary is the biggest problem argentina has IMHO.
52 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:36 pm Report abuse
It appears Stevie has not ever written a report in High School, University or beyond.
First you make your statement then you go on with the report to support your argument with researched facts footnoted.
Is this not what they did in the report?
Yes, yes it is.

Squirm
Twist
53 Anglotino (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:42 pm Report abuse
@ 37 Stevie

“Personally, I don't agree with all of Argentinas policies and decisions.
Some of them even affects my country in a negative way.”

Argentina must have one hell of an effect on the world if it affects your “country in a negative way”

Your country is nowhere near Argentina according to your own words:
“Yes, I've been to South America on various ocassions, and I never fail visiting your little nation. I especially appreciate the way you guys express your views on public walls”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/20/uruguay-diversifies-energy-mix-with-530-mw-combined-cycle-gas-power-plant#comment200711
“Uruguay is too small a country to be on wings, it would be hard to make it rentable.
Still, your nation is doing a great job in the education sector, a friend told me something about finally getting a university in your beloved “interior”. ”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/20/uruguay-diversifies-energy-mix-with-530-mw-combined-cycle-gas-power-plant#comment200761

You obviously don't come from a Spanish speaking country:
“If you like me have difficulties with the Spanish language, try inserting the link in google translate.”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/20/uruguay-diversifies-energy-mix-with-530-mw-combined-cycle-gas-power-plant#comment200453

“I just translated Moyano's statements on lanacion.com and even if google translate sometimes comes up with weird translations, the headline is hard to misinterpret.”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/21/looting-extends-in-argentina-two-people-shot-dead-dozens-injured-in-clashes-with-police#comment200481

“My Spanish might be rusty, and I confess I'm no good at reading or typing the language, but my understanding of the spoken language is enough to make out that he actually says that in the video.”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/21/looting-extends-in-argentina-two-people-shot-dead-dozens-injured-in-clashes-with-police#comment200489

Stevie I don't care where you are, but you definitely ain't in Uruguay.
54 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
Hi Welsh
I will answer you question as best as I can.
But first, I want to ask you if we are dicussing the actual reform, or the what the reform is about.

If we are discussing the reform itself, well, the Argentines have every right to change their judicial system as they wish.
There are routes to follow in order to do so, and no other nation should tell Argentina what she should do, as little as Argentina can tell the UK how to deal with their judicial system.

If we are talking about the reforms themselves, well I can't see why it would be bad for the people to choose whom will take a seat in the Consejo de Magistratura. Why shouldn't the people decide?

The part that talks about equality is just an extension to the above mentioned reform, just to make sure that those occupying the Consejo aren't priviliged in any way.

Then we have the part that talks about sentences (judgements). That those should be made public is quite democratic, I would say.

Furthermore, we have the “patrimony” section, saying that every statement of the Poder Judicial shall be public and documented in Internet.

Finally we have the cassation reform.
That one is difficult to agree with, as it can indeed be abused.
But in theory, it's another step in the juridical process, prior to the Supreme Court.

How it will deal with corruption?
Ask yanquiboy, he's the one with the predictions...
55 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2013 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
My prediction is a Romanian style retirement party for the top 1000 or so CFK ministers and staff.
That would help a lot
maybe not cure it once and for all, you may need to add a zero or 2 before that can happen.
56 Welsh Wizard (#) May 01st, 2013 - 02:31 pm Report abuse
@54 - I have no issue with the people deciding to change their system if that is what they want, after all they will be the ones living with it. Judgements should be published but your level of previdelge should not affect your ability to make judgements of law.

However, choice of magistrates by people leads to considerable lobbying and a political tendency amongst the judiciary to make the popular decision, rather than the right one. I think it is dangerous for people vote for a judge because he is “one of us” or because he/she is aligned with a political party. All this does is continue either an element of corruption or it compels judges to make decisions which will either favour or benefit their specific electorate. At present it seems the the judiciary in Argentina is corrupt. These reforms don't seem to deal with that problem; it just moves the pressure of abuse/corruption to an external source. I’m also not keen on the ability of the state to curtail the powers of the judiciary with regards to judgements against the state; this is damaging and affects the separation of powers.

I’m also not keen on people voting for judges. The law is a conceptual beast and difficult to understand at times. The application of the law is difficult and the majority of people don’t understand the subtleties of the arguments involved. I also doubt that people are going to read through the full judgements and make an informed decision based on full knowledge of all the facts and also of the intricacies of law involved. They are more likely to make a decision based on whether the judgement was pro or anti their political view-point. None of this helps to deal with corruption. The judiciary is supposed to be independent and check the power of the executive. If this was done properly in Argentina we might slowly start to see the end of corruption in the political classes.
57 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 02:35 pm Report abuse
Welsh Wiz
I don't disagree with anything you say, but a question reamins in my head.

How DO you deal with a corrupt judiciary system?
58 Conqueror (#) May 01st, 2013 - 02:36 pm Report abuse
@37 Aaah, “Stevie”, but WE are the ones to point the finger. You see, we have centuries more experience, knowledge, education and intelligence. You are just “aping” your betters. You've adopted various “forms” but you don't really understand them. Let's give you some examples. You understand that the one with the most votes rules. What you haven't yet grasped is that a “government” doesn't “rule”. It “governs”. There's a difference. And buying votes is wrong, no matter what the means.
@39 So why don't YOU look at the Spanish etc invasion, occupation and theft of South America.
Look at the 2 “Conquests of the Desert”.
Look at the argie “Dirty War”.
Look at the Uruguayan rural revolt starting in 1903.
Look at the dictatorship between 1933 and 1938.
Look at the Tupamaros, the closure of the Uruguayan Congress and effective military rule until 1985.
Look at argieland's unfounded, illegitimate and illegal claims to the Falkland Islands.
Look at Uruguay's wimp-led support for argieland.
@45 But do you “understand”? Where did you get the word “payed”? The educated would use the word “paid”. Is this a clue to your lack of education and comprehension?
@53 Thank you very much for that research. It clearly shows why “Stevie” doesn't “answer” comments. It's obviously a “foreign” argie implant. I say “It's” because it's not clear whether it has a sex. Is “Stevie” just a student somewhere trying to eke out its grant? That would be reasonable considering that “student” equals “layabout”. Sorry, that should have been “student” equals “uneducated, scrounging layabout”. But there are other clues. It supports argieland, it's thick and it can't “debate”. It's an argie
59 andy65 (#) May 01st, 2013 - 02:45 pm Report abuse
@ Stevie So are we right in believing Argentina is not a good enough place for you to live in
60 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
andy tic tac

You belive what you want.
It will have little impact on anything anyway...
61 Welsh Wizard (#) May 01st, 2013 - 02:53 pm Report abuse
@57 Look at others I suppose. We don't have a corrupt judiciary and I am wondering why that is. I have a feeling it is the case because the judiciary and politics aren't linked. You do not go from one to the other and it is not seen at any point as being a step into politics. Furthermore it is hammered into your that decision are made on the basis of the law in existence at the time, if that upsets the government then so be it. The judges really do not care whether a judicial review finds against the government if that is the right legal decision.

I think that a change is needed from the bottom up. bars must be place on members of the judiciary moving from bein state prosecutor into a political position and, if you want to become a judge, you must marry yourself to this profession and calling for a lifetime. You must learn to serve the law, not yourself.
62 Viscount Falkland (#) May 01st, 2013 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
She needs something to distract the people.....Ahhh the Malvinas......
63 Think (#) May 01st, 2013 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
(51) Welsh Wizard

You say....:
...... How is the new law relating to changes of the judiciary going to get rid of corruption........ Corruption of the judiciary is the biggest problem argentina has IMHO......

I say....:
Corruption of the judiciary is one of the biggest problems Argentina has had since the mid 19'th century (In Many Humble Argentineans Opinion)
As you rightly point out, the new, quite imperfect law does not much to get rid of the corruption......, but at least it rocks our current immovable and corrupt legal system that has (mis)ruled Argentineans life during the last 150 years.....
Kind of a ”kickstart” towards your Arcadian suggestions at (61), I would say......
64 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2013 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
Whew the balance of trade has almost flipped! only U$200MM this month! How in the world are they going to buy fuel this year?

The weather is changing, it's gonna start to get cold pretty soon...cold and wet.
65 Baxter (#) May 01st, 2013 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
Lovely comments ! What is really sad is that the people do not seem to understand the mess they are in . And now no army to move in before it is too late. Thanks to the Kirchners there is no army , clever of them . Personally I have spent many happy days in that country and cannot , for the life of me , understand how intelligent , normal people accept this Government . Though I must admit that , in the last six months , I have not heard one Argentine defend the Government . And I include civil servants .
66 Anbar (#) May 01st, 2013 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
“”“Stevie I don't care where you are, but you definitely ain't in Uruguay.”“”

he's said on a number of occasions that he is Uruguayan and in Uruguay.
67 Philippe (#) May 01st, 2013 - 04:07 pm Report abuse
The UN Charter needs to be amended, so that countries like Argentina that should be expelled could be expelled! Voila.

Philippe
68 andy65 (#) May 01st, 2013 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
@Anbar, Stevie is like a few other Argentine trolls that grace this forum speaking from the comfort of a far better place than there homeland Argentina, what a shame what a disgrace
69 Simon68 (#) May 01st, 2013 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
Having posted the link to this report on: en.mercopress.com/2013/04/27/malvinas-radical-group-begins-campaign-against-lan-chile-offices-in-buenos-aires

and recieved ridiculous comments from “Stevie” about how biased the report is, I looked up Douglas Farah on Wikipedia at: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Farah

His credencials are very good, and his sources for the report are excellent and all are given in footnotes, so the accusations of “bias” in regard to this report are stupid and childish.

It would seem that “Stevie”, who wishes to pass him/her/itself off as an Urugyan Tupa, has called him/her/itself an “expat”, admits to not being a native Spanish speaker, uses Google Translate to translate Spanish to English and apparently thinks the sun shines out of CFK's arse, was initially designed to be a replacement for Doveoveredover but that went wrong when “Stevie” started him/her/it's rants and showed that him/her/it was obviously not a Brit.

A very sad person!!!!!!!!
70 Welsh Wizard (#) May 01st, 2013 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
@63 Hi Think. Fair point but for me you are just substituting internal corruption with external corruption. In the end you still get corruption.
71 Think (#) May 01st, 2013 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
(70) Welsh Wizard

Quite possible.......
But at least we will have uncorked that old bottle ....
It's much easier to reform a reform.....
72 DanyBerger (#) May 01st, 2013 - 06:17 pm Report abuse
Ah! Zionist putting in danger own jews with their islamophobic agenda.

The so called “Investigative Journalists” are the vertebral column of the Islamophobic movement in US and other countries.

Most well known “IJ” Steven Emerson, Douglas Farah and J. Kaufman. Suspected to be members of the JDL (Jewish Defense League) a violent extremist orthodox group (classify as a terrorist group by FBI) that use terror to own jewish to promote their Islamophobic and “anti no jew” (Goim) agenda around the world.

Funded in NY (US) and expanded all over the world like in Germany, UK, etc
www.jdl-germany.org/
www.jdl-uk.org/

Here an interesting video where JDL member encouraging jews in US to buy weapons to be used again Americans.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RUjar55CvE

Only idiots with no brains can believe what these people say.

Ah! I forgot that so many conservative & Necos with no brain are here and a neurone only appears in their brain just for holidays.

Ha ha

@Simon68
Are you another crazy Zionist perhaps?
73 Steve-33-uk (#) May 01st, 2013 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
'Margaret Thatcher telex that ended the Falklands War to fetch £15,000 at auction - THE original document signed by Margaret Thatcher to end the Falklands conflict is set to fetch £15,000 when it goes under the hammer next month....'
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/396235/Margaret-Thatcher-telex-that-ended-the-Falklands-War-to-fetch-15-000-at-auction

'ACTS 31 YEARS CRUISE SINKING IN FALKLAND General Belgrano'
noticias.terra.com.ar/politica/actos-a-31-anos-hundimiento-crucero-general-belgrano-en-malvinas,a49dfbdce8b5e310VgnCLD2000000dc6eb0aRCRD.html
74 briton (#) May 01st, 2013 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
Lies lies and more lies,

Argentina is doing fantastically [according to her bloggers]
Argentina is doing great according to her government
Argentina is improving as every day passes, according to CFK.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Now who do you believe=Argentina or the truth.

Argentina probably the greatest comedy show on earth??.

.
75 axel arg (#) May 01st, 2013 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
BEHIND SOME EXPRESSIONS OF WISHES.
After reading this article, i can see that it isn't no more than the tipical too partial anaylisis, full of omissions, which are usually published by imperialist nations, in relation to the governments which decided not to continue being u. s. .a's backyard.
If it soposes that in argentina there is less freedom of expression, how is is posible that many reports are published everyday, which criticise the corruption cases that involve c. f. k's govt?. Unfortunatelly, most reports published by the most powerful corporations are often just mediatic operations full of lies or distortions.
Respecting the official advertising, it's necesary to say that it represents just the 10% of the whole advertising. While it is true that the govt. eliminated some official advertising for some media which weren't aligned with it, which is repudiable, it is also true that justice finally judged on behalf of some media which took the case to justice.
On the other hand, can somebody tell me what is the change of c. f. k's govt. in reference to the amia cause?. What is not told in this article, is that the memorandum will be treated by the suprem court, which is a prestigious and independent institution. Would an authoritarian regime have an independent court?, what kind of authoritarism is this guy talking about?.
Respecting the so called dollar clump, what is not told in this article, is that this decision stopped the capitals flight. In fact, c. f. k's govt. had to tolerate six intents of financial coup d'etats. However, the economy didn't collapse, like in other periods, it means that despite all the serious problems that we still still have, the economy is very solid.
On the other hand, while it is true that we had a high decelaration in our economic expansion last year, it is also true that the number of unemployed people remained almost in the same level. Beside, inflation isn't increasing so much thanks to the agreement signed some months ago.
76 briton (#) May 01st, 2013 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
To defend the undefendable is quite an effort,

But is she grateful for her peoples help or advice,
Very unlikely.
Still
Ones bloggers have to try..

.
77 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2013 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
Axel, Does it make you mad that most if not every one of my posts is coming to fruition?

My bet is by the end of the year your monthly pay will be U$300
You'll never be able to see the civilized world
never

You should get out now while you still can
If the bag lady of ba wins a majority in Oct you'll need an exit visa to travel.
78 andy65 (#) May 01st, 2013 - 07:06 pm Report abuse
It's simply quite shocking how these Argentines don't wake up and smell the coffee they are either living in another country or being paid by the botox queen to talk this kind shit
79 Brit Bob (#) May 01st, 2013 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
Argentines are in denial - the Peso is on the slide and will have to be devalued (again) and the country is heading for a default. Wakey, wakey...
80 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2013 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
78.
Every decade has a currency crisis, then they have a few years of depression, then a few years of sugar highs then a currency crisis. Over and over again.

Every generation for the last 100 years is poorer and dumber than the previous generation.

My guess is the smart and ambitious ones move to the USA or UK and so the gene pool gets thinner and thinner, dumber and dumber, lazier and lazier.

I don't see how you ever fix it.
81 DanyBerger (#) May 01st, 2013 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
@briton

“Now who do you believe=Argentina or the truth.”

I believe in Phil Collins, ha ha

“Jesus He Knows Me”

“Get me 18M dollar by the weekend”
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc9QM96c9aA

Touch the screen, touch the screen...

Ha ha
82 Anbar (#) May 01st, 2013 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
“”“After reading this article, i can see that it isn't no more than the tipical too partial anaylisis, full of omissions, which are usually published by imperialist nations, in relation to the governments which decided not to continue being u. s. .a's backyard.”“”“

By applying Stevies system of Authenticity your entire post FAILs due to immediate bias showing.

Therefore anything and everything that you say MUST be ignored.

---------

”“”. Beside, inflation isn't increasing so much thanks to the agreement signed some months ago.“”“”

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha

ha-ha!
83 Anglotino (#) May 01st, 2013 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
Well the deflection campaign doesn't seem to be doing too well in this forum.

Though Stevie went quiet!

Awaiting new instructions?
Crafting a new persona?
84 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2013 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
”“”. Beside, inflation isn't increasing so much thanks to the agreement signed some months ago.“”“”

Except grocery store shelves are empty of all the “frozen” priced items.
Rut ro

Argentina reminds me of the movie Idiocracy
85 reality check (#) May 01st, 2013 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
Something must be going right, when you live in a county and depend on another countries currency to do so.
86 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
You lot are done?

Great!

Report is biased and dismissed by every thinking person with an ounce of source criticism.

Full stop.

;)
87 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2013 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
86. I expect that report will come back to haunt Argentine and CFK in particular sometime in the very near future.
She never should have let TImmerman board out jet.
It's been all downhill since then
88 axel arg (#) May 01st, 2013 - 09:57 pm Report abuse
YANKEE. ANNBAR.
Don' t worry guys, i have never been interested in persuading absolutly anybody in this forum. I just give an opinion like everybody else, however wether you or some other forists take what i say, is irrelevant for me.
I alerady realized a long time ago that it's not posible to discuss with many people like you, who just buy so easily the too partial information that is published about argentina's situation. If buying this kind of mediocre reports makes you happy, ok, i respect it, in fact, people have right to have a decadent thought too.
89 cornelius (#) May 01st, 2013 - 10:09 pm Report abuse
Get the 6TH fleet we are invading Argentina to teach them a lesson the lesson will be economics 101 introduction to accounting and the principals of sound economic policy.
As a bonus we will teach the how to be corrupt and make economics advances at the same time.
Even in corruption they failed, their corruption system is unsustainable!
90 Pirate Love (#) May 01st, 2013 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
..........chickens coming home to roost...........
91 Anbar (#) May 01st, 2013 - 10:31 pm Report abuse
“”“Argentina reminds me of the movie Idiocracy”“”

terrible film, truly truly bad, but absolutely spot-on that its this Argentine Government. ;-0
92 Anglotino (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:35 pm Report abuse
Stevie @86

“Report is biased and dismissed by every thinking person with an ounce of source criticism.”

As someone with no credibility, you would know all about being biased and even better, “dismissed by every thinking person”.

Everything you now post actually bolsters that which you oppose.

Full stop.
93 Fbear (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 03:42 am Report abuse
Hmm . . . I einder why the U. S. Congress is taking time to discuss the Fernandez de Kirchner screwing of Argentina when they would do so much better to focus on their own screwing of the American people. Another diversionary tactic?
94 Anglotino (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 03:51 am Report abuse
Fbear

“Another diversionary tactic?”

No I'd say that your question is probably one of the most common diversionary tactics on here.
95 Beresford (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 04:27 am Report abuse
The report is actually incomplete. It only runs to around 64 pages. Should have two or three times more pages. There are stacks of other corruption related issues that have not been covered.
96 John III (Pope) (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 06:18 am Report abuse
What does “discussion” mean? Who's discussing this report and when? Even for a British propaganda site this article is the height of journalistic incompetence.

This “news” does not appear in The Hill or anywhere else. O think it can ignored - unless you happen to be a British redneck xenophobe in which case go for it - really beat yourself up!
97 Troy Tempest (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 06:41 am Report abuse
@95 Poop John

“This “news” does not appear in The Hill or anywhere else”

Likely because, as much as it is important to you, as we've said before, the general public of the US are totally unaware of you and just don't give a damn.
US journalists won't get much mileage out of that story, at home.
98 HansNiesund (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 07:43 am Report abuse
@95

If you care to look, you will find quite a lot of Spanish-speaking redneck xenophobes reporting the exact same thing in their press, including some in BA.

www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=uk&tbm=nws&q=douglas+farah#hl=en&gs_rn=11&gs_ri=psy-ab&ds=n&pq=douglas%20farah&cp=23&gs_id=1b&xhr=t&q=douglas+farah+argentina&es_nrs=true&pf=p&gl=uk&tbm=nws&sclient=psy-ab&oq=douglas+farah+argentina&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45921128,d.ZGU&fp=68c34f1c2c95d2e9&biw=1243&bih=628
99 yankeeboy (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 11:08 am Report abuse
95. Do you seriously think The HIll or Politico is going to report on criminal activity of a Latam Prez getting reported to congress? I have read both every morning for YEARS and can't think of one article that ever talked about that.
Toby, this report, along with others will be used as a basis for foreign policy decisions regarding Argentina.
Watch the noose tightening
Will CFK be imprisoned in the USA on drug charges?
Will we confiscate Banco Nacion assets as narco assets?

There are lots of possibilities so just watch over the next year
100 Simon68 (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
Tobias, there is an article about this report in MDZonline: www.mdzol.com/nota/461040-un-informe-sobre-la-corrupcion-k-en-el-congreso-de-eeuu/

I repeat in Mendoza online!!!!!!!!!
101 yankeeboy (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 01:09 pm Report abuse
Simon, I have a friend that I send links to in BA and often times he says the links are blocked and he can't look at them. Is the gov't restricting that much news in Argentina?
102 MagnusMaster (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 02:45 pm Report abuse
@100 that's odd, the government usually doesn't censor the Internet here.
103 Troy Tempest (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
Toby Teen Troll

I like the photo of CFK at the top of the article.
It looks like she's reaching behind her neck to do up the remaining snaps to hold her ghoulish “death mask ” in place.

;-D
104 Simon68 (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 05:06 pm Report abuse
100 yankeeboy (#)
May 02nd, 2013 - 01:09 pm

Yankee, I think that this is a problem of badly maintained servers rather than government intervenntion. That is not to say that the government is capable of censoring a web site, but usually these break downs affect more than the “independent” news sites, they usually also involve online shopping sites and even the local Google server!!!
105 Conqueror (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
@66 And what made you think he wouldn't lie? Analyse his comments. He's an argie. Living in the U.S. or Europe. A fifth columnist. An enemy in our midst.
@72 Another dumb cluck that doesn't live in argieland. Let's consider “Stevie” and “DB” to be on the black list. Don't respond to anything they come out with.
@75 Back to the “old” font and crap, virtually incomprehensible English. This, supposedly, is an argie “teacher”. Thick bunch, aren't they? Add “alex” to the black list.
@86 “every thinking person”. Counts you out then, doesn't it?
@88 Uneducated, defensive, diversionary drivel.
@95 Sorry, we British don't have “rednecks”. It's a U.S. term. Guess that puts you in New York.
106 DanyBerger (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 05:39 am Report abuse
Oh!

Poor Britons not even its close ally US considers them a serious military power to join NATO operations.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10034230/Defence-cuts-risk-Britains-Nato-standing.html
Its is not sad?

If they go to war against Argentina will have to ask to Cristina for a loan to pay the salaries.

Soldiers with have to fight against the argies.
What?
Are you crazy, for that shitty salary?
F@ck ya General.

Lads if for glory, think in our queen...
F@ck ya General

ha ha ha
107 Anglotino (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 01:20 pm Report abuse
I couldn't find the UK or NATO mentioned in the article.

Perhaps Dany receives a different edition?
108 John III (Pope) (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 01:20 pm Report abuse
@98
Which is my point. This story is so unimportant that The Hill can afford to ignore it. Yet it is published in Mecopress. I wonder why.

The truth is that half of all Americans have submitted something to Congress for discussion. This story is nothing for a sensible reader to concern themselves with. However, for a xenophobic British red neck, such as yourself, this story is something for you to whip yourselves into a frenzy. I love it!
109 Troy Tempest (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 03:50 pm Report abuse
@107Teen Troll

Nobody is interested in reading about it the US. It is just not important, like you.

However, MP knows there people who will be affected here.

I don't hear anyone on here “whipping themselves into a frenzy”, just you again.

“Xenophobic”? Aren't you the one spouting that Argentina is better off not trading with other nations?

“British red neck” - no such thing. Nobody uses that term for the British, except you.

“The truth is that half of all Americans have submitted something to Congress for discussion. ”

What???? Really, individuals? What process do they use - just mail it in?
Does Congress discuss everything sent to them?

Doesn't sound like you know what you're saying...
110 Captain Poppy (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 05:57 pm Report abuse
If 155,000,000 Americans were submitting reports to congress, nothing else would get through the mail. What a fucking joke of a statement! John Pope the 1st Moron reads too much wikipedia and watches too much utube.
Ameriucans usual writing to their congressman is bitiching via their website. Americans know Argentina as the deadbeat country where peron lived.
111 yankeeboy (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
107. The Hill is not a nationally read newspaper. It is really for the DC crowd and they'd never report on a Corrupt South American Dictator. It is not what they do. They focus on legislative issues and general DC gossip.
They would probably report on Argentina when sanctions are brought, they're thrown out of IMF or CFK is brought up on drug charges. Something like that but certainly not a report to Congress.
I think it is funny you want to pretend you understand the USA.
What a silly boy.
112 Stevie (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
The report is biased and still no one cares about it but the Brit/yanqui MP lot.

US congress can discuss the matter all they want. Fact is, the more time they use discussing Argentina, the less time they have to deal with their own mess.

Beautiful :)
113 Captain Poppy (#) May 04th, 2013 - 12:17 am Report abuse
The mess in the USA would be considered the good times in SA. Besides, they are only reading to make a decision on Argentina's shell game with their recent deposit. How do the think the Republican controlled house will vote for Argentina stevie? Are you a female stevie ....'.ie' at the end of a name is usually a kid or a female.....like “A” at the end of many spanish words?
114 DanyBerger (#) May 04th, 2013 - 07:22 am Report abuse
“The mess in the USA would be considered the good times in SA”

Th so called good time in USA according with the Amexican “CrapTain Poopy”

Wow!!!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1owwvwi6t30
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGxKdDinkKk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndanGXV_uYU

www.youtube.com/watch?v=tROppnMBzco
www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_118457&feature=iv&src_vid=tROppnMBzco&v=h0fD20OueDw

Someone has to be really idiot to think that this are good times...
115 Stevie (#) May 04th, 2013 - 07:25 am Report abuse
112
And if I were a female, then what Poppy?
Is that an insult, to be a female, Poppy?
Are you afraid of women, Poppy?
116 DanyBerger (#) May 04th, 2013 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
Captain Poopy, should be scared for what is going in on his backyard...

USA in the verge of economic collapse

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB_66jkJoS0
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=5zD7xR0DGuE&NR=1

When USA collapses will turn into the new Soviet Union like under Stalin era type

USA preparing for the big collapse to control population...

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=nXg2WsNCrW4&NR=1

“Killing rule within US”

Doesn’t sound too nice...

Join the revolution Idiot

Ha ha
117 John III (Pope) (#) May 04th, 2013 - 01:04 pm Report abuse
@110
The Hill reports on Congress and here is a “discussion” (whatever that means). Yet The Hill is not reporting it. This is because the events reported here ate not an issue for Congress. They are only an issue for Brit rednecks.

And this is an issue for you - here we are at comment 116. Enjoy yourselves.
118 yankeeboy (#) May 04th, 2013 - 01:28 pm Report abuse
www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/07/3272997/argentina-goes-down-a-dangerous.html

Seems to be getting picked up by the big newspapers

and it is being discussed as a topic under US Congress Homeland Security
Rut Ro
119 Stevie (#) May 04th, 2013 - 01:51 pm Report abuse
yanqui
Discuss it all you want and feel you need.

You are still not getting cheap resources ever again.

Pay up or stay away.

;)
120 Captain Poppy (#) May 04th, 2013 - 01:51 pm Report abuse
utube is for idiots.....makes sense why you use them a lot. No one is biting dumburger........lay some cheese.
121 yankeeboy (#) May 04th, 2013 - 02:00 pm Report abuse
Stevie, One nice thing about being the richest most powerful country in the world is if we can't buy it we can take it and there is nothing anybody could do about it.
I don't' know why that bothers people so much?
I like it
122 Stevie (#) May 04th, 2013 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
yanqui
You can't.
You aren't.
The Chinese are.

;)
123 yankeeboy (#) May 04th, 2013 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
I hate to burst your bubble but the Chinese are on the brink of a total melt down.
Do you know anything about current events?

I wonder what will happen if we allow Japan to re-arm like they have been asking,
We are seriously considering it...
124 Stevie (#) May 04th, 2013 - 02:36 pm Report abuse
Well yanqui, regardless of what you do, you better do something.
And quick.

With USA's current pace, China can stop improving altogether and still surpass you...

;)
125 yankeeboy (#) May 04th, 2013 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
123. Stevie I showed you the math awhile ago on how that can't happen in the next decade based on HUGE GROWTH in China over the NEXT DECADE. Where oh where do you think this growth is going to come from?

You do realize that China is utterly dependant on the USA don't you? They only grow if we grow. You get that right?

This bogeyman you are trying to create against the USA is just not reality.
It can't and won't happen no matter how many posts you make.
I will be surprised if they are not in Revolution in the next 5 yrs
really really surprised

This is probably dumbed down enough even for you to understand:
business.time.com/2013/04/28/the-real-reason-to-worry-about-china/
126 Stevie (#) May 04th, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
yanqui
I'd LOVE to see the Chinese attempting to trade in their USD or in fact start collecting that debt.
Then we'll see who is dependant of who...

As for your prophecies, they are born out of your frustrations and have little to do with reality...

;)
127 yankeeboy (#) May 04th, 2013 - 03:23 pm Report abuse
Well you probably would love to see a lot of things that will never happen. One thing about being a reserve currency is we can always print whatever we need to pay off the debt.
We could also declare war on China, nationalize everything they have within our borders, stop trade, and declare the debt paid for damages.
But that is a bit extreme even for me
Although that is what we did to Germany in WW2

Just shutting down trade would probably be enough to send them into revolution pretty quickly.

But what would we do without cheap Tshirts oh nooooo

We have lot of options lots and lots
128 Stevie (#) May 04th, 2013 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
yanqui
You have lots of options.
Fact is, you have so many it's difficult to decide what to do, isn't it?

;)
129 yankeeboy (#) May 04th, 2013 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
I don't think so, what would give you that impression?
I think in the near term we will let Japan re-arm and get nuclear weapons.
That should keep the balance in check for while we profit from the arms sales.
Win win
Isn't capitalism wonderful!
130 Captain Poppy (#) May 04th, 2013 - 05:47 pm Report abuse
Seems the Chinese economy has reached maturation stage in 30 years where the USA took 150 years of growth before maturing. Services is now taking over the economy as manufacturing is taking a backseat. Of course manufacturing is going back to the USA and Malaysia. China knows they need the middle class buying power of the USA and Europe. But nimrods in SA still think China is their messiah.

articles.marketwatch.com/2013-05-02/economy/38982314_1_job-creation-economy-economic-growth
131 DanyBerger (#) May 05th, 2013 - 08:00 am Report abuse
@CrapTain Poopy

“Of course manufacturing is going back to the USA..” ha ha ha

The only manufacturing stuff that is returning to US and in large scale is the “Money & food stamp printing industry” quite busy at the moment.

The idiots are so inspired that they thought that by printing a “trillions coin” they could solve the debt ceiling problem and may be they could create surplus for the nation.

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/12/treasury-we-wont-mint-a-platinum-coin-to-sidestep-the-debt-ceiling/

www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economics/item/14238-obama%E2%80%99s-trillion-dollar-coin-exposes-federal-reserve-scam

Yeah! I know it you are getting the scary idea of the idiots that are in charge of the USA economy and you think that this cannot be even worse?

US dollar collapse 3013/2014 buy it at 10 and get 0.25 in “Ameros” if you are lucky of course...
132 Captain Poppy (#) May 05th, 2013 - 02:10 pm Report abuse
It must suck when no one takes your stinkbait? Is it harder to get paid?

If you biuld it...they will come

if you say it, it will happen

if you utube it, surely it is real, the internet does not lie

bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

11 to one pesos this week.....any bets gentlemen.....and dumburger?
133 yankeeboy (#) May 05th, 2013 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
132. Actually they're saying 16/1 is where it may reach demand.

est 250,000 people have been stranded due to the long distance bus driver strikes. The gov't wants the driver to take a 23% increase, they of course want more and the companies say they'll be bankrupt if they are forced to pay the increase.
I hear gas is going up another 11% in BA!

All is well!! All is well!
more lithium please
134 Captain Poppy (#) May 05th, 2013 - 03:46 pm Report abuse
We see how well enterprise works when the government controls it all.

To the IV wing of La Casa Rosada.....lithium por favor!!!MUCHO
135 cornelius (#) May 05th, 2013 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
The winds of revolution are here It wiil go like this... “Pueblo Argentino” Today at 12 am we have a new Goberment” It could happen during this winter.
136 Ayayay (#) May 05th, 2013 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
Sounds like Argentina is doing great. U.S. needs to save money.

Hope they stop the foreign aid, Americans would be grateful for that money. foreignassistance.gov/OU.aspx?FY=2013&OUID=280&AgencyID=0&budTab=tab_Bud_Spent
137 John III (Pope) (#) May 05th, 2013 - 11:50 pm Report abuse
@98
I don't speak Spanish. Neither does the US Congress. I don't think anybody cares what is printed in some foreign news site.
138 yankeeboy (#) May 06th, 2013 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
Boy that report sure is bothering the CFK supporters
The truth hurts
139 Captain Poppy (#) May 06th, 2013 - 03:50 pm Report abuse
But congress will care what is in that report before signing off on IMF deposits from Argentina.
140 yankeeboy (#) May 06th, 2013 - 06:02 pm Report abuse
I can't see them ever getting that money out of the USA. Too many people have claims on it.
141 Stevie (#) May 06th, 2013 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
I wouldn't know yanqui, I've merely read the Abstract.

Biased.

Next report.
142 Hepatia (#) May 06th, 2013 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/05/01/us-congress-to-discuss-devastating-report-on-cristina-fernandez-administration#comment245073: As you correctly point out the US congress has been bought and paid for by Wall Street.
143 yankeeboy (#) May 06th, 2013 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
Nice little waring from the IMF about the impending doom in Argentina.

A heterodoxy economy
what a bunch of retards
bahahaha

and on another note

I wonder if CFK will like USA jails? I think Noriega liked them just fine.
144 Captain Poppy (#) May 06th, 2013 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
Yankee I think even the vast majority of Democrats won't sign off on Argentina's IMF deposits game. They don't need the IMF and the developed western world, as every troll here stated, so why not borrow a few borrow from their brother countries, like Brazil? (snicker). Besides what happened the the south american counter part to the IMF?
145 ChrisR (#) May 06th, 2013 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
144 Captain Poppy
“Besides what happened the the south american counter part to the IMF?”

I would imagine TMBOA stole the ante of others.
146 yankeeboy (#) May 06th, 2013 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
Treasury is pushing for the IMF sancions and no further funding at IDB or WB.

Last year was the 1st year in history Argentina paid more to IDB than they received in disbursments,

The worm has turned
147 John III (Pope) (#) May 07th, 2013 - 06:23 am Report abuse
@139
Why? It comes from a third rate think tank that rel lies on propaganda sites, such as this one, to reprint for their press releases. The only effect this report will have is to excite you Brit red necks. And its working.
148 yankeeboy (#) May 07th, 2013 - 11:31 am Report abuse
The report either confirms what the Congressmen already suspects or is new reading for them.
Either way it's not good
ATFA is actually doing a pretty good job telling congress/senate about the dastardly deeds of CFK and makins sure they all know Argentina is a scofflaw ignoring and subteverting USA law.
There are some pretty harsh bills being circultated now

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