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Malvinas dispute ‘will only end when Argentina has full, definitive possession of the Islands’, insists Puricelli
The Malvinas cause will only come to an end when Argentina has definitive possession of the Islands, said Argentine defence minister Arturo Puricelli during a military ceremony to remember the 31st anniversary of the loss of cruiser ‘General Belgrano”, during the Falklands’ conflict torpedoed on 2 May 1982 by a Royal Navy submersible with the loss of 323 lives. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThere is no dispute, only a failing country living in a fictional past.
May 03rd, 2013 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can never get the Falklands UNLESS the people living there wish to voluntarily join.
And just why would they voluntarily join a failing country, mired in its fictional past, that refuses to acknowledge that they are people with rights, or that they exist at all?
So the people of the Falklands will become very rich. Then one day they will become an independent nation in its own right that will be very successful.
And Argentina will continue to fail whilst mired in its fictional past.
“has mobilized Argentina so that never again we have these events and adversities which today we are commemorating”
May 03rd, 2013 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very accurate, today Argie ships sink in port without the need to torpedo them. I suppose KFC would call that progress.
Give puricelli some toilet paper to wipe his mouth.
May 03rd, 2013 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Get over it, you started a war and one of your ships was sunk. That's what happens when you start wars, it is what will happen if you do the same thing again. Grow up, your constant whining makes you look like pathetic, whinging cowards, crying foul cos the enemy fights back!
May 03rd, 2013 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Winds of war coming are you prepared?
May 03rd, 2013 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope so...
The same way the args speak, on top ck and this gang member puricelli, Hitler spoke before he captured Poland and the Czech Republic. I know, I´m German.
May 03rd, 2013 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5
May 03rd, 2013 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dany Berger: “Winds of war coming are you prepared?”
Cristina Kirchner: ”The best homage to the dead “is precisely building among us all a better Argentina .... unmoveable, tenacious, stubborn always in the framework of international Law, in democracy which is the only way that to claim in the world”.'
Goodness, Dany, do you know something the Presidenta doesn't? Or was she telling lies? Or are you just at your military masturbation fantasies again?
DanyBerger the only 'winds' Argentinians can manage is a collective wet fart! Losers full of rhetoric with nothing to back it up.. Idiot!
May 03rd, 2013 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 011,313 prisoners last time.
May 03rd, 2013 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0(Didn't have the stomach to put up a good fight).
40 million windbags.
Blue dollar skyrockets 22 cents to AR $9.62
Just another example of distraction politics - devaluation coming - use the 'Great Malvinas Lie'
@7 It is just about possible that DB reads newspaper stories about cuts in Britain's armed forces and thinks that they are at a similar level to argieland's. But it isn't so. Britain's Royal Navy is more than twice the size of argieland's. It's also newer and vastly more capable. The British Army is also considerably more capable than it was in 1982. And finally the Royal Air Force. More than four times the size of what argieland has. Nobody should ignore the fleet submarines. All of which are equipped with land attack cruise missiles as well as torpedoes. Perfect for destroying the argie fleet in harbour. And the RAF also has air-launched cruise missiles, good for airbases, troop concentrations and so forth. How do we think the argies will like the Apache attack helicopter. Just a few of the little goodies argies can look forward to! And I would expect any force to go equipped to land on the mainland. Giving the opportunity to use the unbeatable Challenger 2 main battle tank.
May 03rd, 2013 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mate of mine who has been down south told me there is a section of Challeger 2's shredded at MPA, if it ever it the fan all they have do is fly the crews down south and start them up.
May 03rd, 2013 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rumour control anybody (-:
Hmm, I wondered what the noise was all about.
May 03rd, 2013 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yesterday was national “it wasn't us it was the junta but let's celebrate it anyway” day in argieland.
£10 quid says they whine if there's any official commemoration of the liberation.
Actually by the time june comes round £10 will be a year's wages for the average argentine, better make it £0.50 so we can all take part :)
Theres no tanks at mpa as the argies found out even panhard armoured cars bog in soon as you leave a road. Used one for target practice.
May 03rd, 2013 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@11;
May 03rd, 2013 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0A 'troop' not a section. But yes a good rumour!
Invasion coming soon I only feel sorry for the poor souls will be lost from poor Britain.
May 03rd, 2013 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sad they have to learn in the hard way....
Sad really sad I gonna be cry boys....
@15 - Dany
May 03rd, 2013 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LMFAO!!!!
Is this the invasion where you sacrifice 10,000 Argentines? Not yourself of course, you're too much of a coward.
So just how is Argentina going to accomplish this feat? Hmm? I'm really interested to know.
Argentina has no ships (that don't sink in port anyway or are sailing vessels), no planes, and no way of actually getting it's army to the Islands.
Or are you still expecting someone else, Brazil or Venezuela maybe, to actually do the invading and fighting on your behalf? Or maybe the UN will just throw away all it's principles and give you the islands? Nah, that's not going to happen.
Thanks to CFK and her ilk, Argentina is a toothless and clawless tiger, with no military that is any threat to anyone except maybe Bolivia (but hey, didn't Bolivia win last time you both fought?), and your neighbours and so-called allies aren't willing to send their young men and women to their deaths on Argentina's behalf.
Also thanks to CFK and her ilk, Argentina is about to go down the toilet AGAIN, economically speaking. It will be much worse than a decade ago, because all the default will be on ARGENTINES. Their pensions, their futures, and the future of their children.
But you don't really care about that, do you Dany? After all you love Argentina so much that you won't actually live there and suffer the same fate as millions of Argentines.
No wonder all Argentina (and by that I mean the government) can do is cry, whinge, CRAWL and BEG to anyone who will listen.
But strangely enough, they've bleated on about it for so long and too often that NO ONE cares enough to listen, not even the Argentine people. It's just become white noise, a bit annoying but easily ignored.
Yup, really pathetic, just like you Dany, just like you.
11- no tanks here! Ground here only suitable for light fast recce types like the old Scorpions and Scimitars UK used in 1982 - anything heavy would not get far and bog down as 13 says.
May 03rd, 2013 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your mate may have seen a tracked recovery vehicle used for debogging other vehicles - it has no gun though!
@1: ''There is no dispute, only a failing country living in a fictional past.''
May 03rd, 2013 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean the UK, right?
@18 “Wart” is the right name for you.
May 03rd, 2013 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ha ha Danny's been sniffing glue again, first sniff of any invasion force matey your whole armed forces would be cruised into submission before they got off the mainland. Grow up you stupid little man.
May 03rd, 2013 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@LEPRecon
May 03rd, 2013 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t want to be rude but don’t you have a Mosque appointment today?
@slattzzz
Post code and mosque please.
thanks
On May 7th, 1982, Argentina complained to the International Committee of the Red Cross in Geneva which ruled that the vessel, though outside the TEZ, was within the security zone of British ships in the area; was fully armed and engaged in operations and that therefore there was no breach of the Geneva Convention. The action was perfectly legal.
May 03rd, 2013 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Heh, Dany just types things on his wish list without consideration of whether it would be possible or not.
May 03rd, 2013 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22 - Dany
May 03rd, 2013 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your racism and fear are showing.
You really are pathetic now, aren't you.
You made ludicrous claims which are all mouth ans no trousers, so your only comeback is a supposed insult that could've been bettered by a 5 year old.
Poor Argentina. Fancy only having biggoted fools like Dany to represent your 'position'! LMFAO
@18 - warteiner
Well I must be talking about Argentina because:
a) it is failing fast
b) it makes up history to support its current delusions.
The UK will still be around long after people are saying: remember that basketcase country that imploded, Argentina? Now it's 5 different smaller countries who are continuously fighting each other.
Have a nice economic crises...oh wait...you don't actually live in Argentina, and therefore don't have to suffer the fallout of Cristina's economic model.
@21
May 03rd, 2013 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Similar to what I wrote on another thread-
To quote Joseph Chamberlain about Lord Beaconsfield
“He only tells the truth by accident”
For Lord Beaconsfield read Dany Berger
As Islander1 points out the ground is not suitable for Challenger 2, the rumour that they are secretly based on the Islands does however persist. I have a hunch that the MOD happily allow it to continue as a rumour. Curiously the Argentine TAM tank is better suited for the Island terrain but they have no means to get them onto the Islands. Nevertheless there is truth in the prepositioning of equipment, there is a significant amount of prepositioned munitions on the Islands that would be connected up with the rapid reaction force if they had to deploy. For the Argentine bluster their armed forces are in a terrible state! A recent study concluded that in a war with Uruguay the Argentine forces would last about 24 hours after which the Uruguayan army would have little trouble rolling into Argentina.
May 03rd, 2013 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the idea that the sinking of the Belgrano is a war crime, an absurd concept that is ironically not supported by the ships captain. It was a warship, it was planning to catch our fleet in a pincer with the Veinticinco de Mayo. It was a legitimate target and threat to our ships, that it was outside our exclusion zone (that Argentina didn't recognise) or the direction it was sailing has no bearing on the UN or situation when it is a belligerent vessel. They would of done exactly the same if the situation was reversed and their Diesel subs were actively hunting our vessels in particular the carriers. We are not calling their sinking of the cargo ship Atlantic Conveyor a war crime are we, considering she was unarmed we probably have better right to complain!
@14 thanks for the correct terminology.
May 03rd, 2013 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17. No he was sure they were Challenger 2's he saw enough of them in the Gulf.
Maybe they are the 2A variant, you know, the model fitted with hover tracks for wet terrain?
As I said, rumour control anyone?
Wonder how long before Argentine intelligence provide Timmerman with photographs of the variant for him to produce at the UN(-:@
Post 22, Zethee, the Total Exclusion Zone was put in place by Great Britain and stated that any ships or aircraft entering that zone could be engaged without repercussions, it was in place for non military craft from any nation to prevent spying.
May 03rd, 2013 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DanyBerger if our old Vulcans can bomb a runway in the South Atlantic using conventional munitions then imagine what we can actually do to your stolen land now!
“it was in place for non military craft from any nation to prevent spying”
May 03rd, 2013 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was put in place to stop the accidental loss of civilian lives should any civilian aircraft or ships enter the area.
However the UK government even forwarded a message to the Argentine government through another embassy that there ships would be engaged even outside the exclusion zone.
29 DanyBerge
May 03rd, 2013 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Criminals and cowards not much to say the world knows that...”
You got that right Ollie, who breached international law, and who surrendered?
5 DanyBerger (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 07:23 am.
May 03rd, 2013 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Winds of war coming are you prepared?
I hope so...
So speaks one of the biggest prats on this forum.
You got to love these Argentinians, They start a war then claim war crimes when the opposition sinks one of their warships that was on its way to help sink the oppositions ships. No wonder the world looks at Argentina with utter contempt.
Me thinks we should lob a few missiles at Argentina to kill and maim a few million of its people and when they complain about what we have done call for the arrest of its mad President as a war criminal. Freaking mad woman
#27 Argentinian intelligence, that's an oxymoron! Do you think it would be staffed by DanyBergers?
May 03rd, 2013 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0who cares if the dispute never ends?
May 03rd, 2013 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The correct people are living there now... and the dispute can go for ever & ever.
I think I can confidently predict that when the Italian Puricelli's great-grandchildren are pushing up daisies, the Falklands will not be Argentine (still).
May 03rd, 2013 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Maybe they are the 2A variant, you know, the model fitted with hover tracks for wet terrain?”
May 03rd, 2013 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0those are the ones with the invisible armour arent they?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,306678,00.html
That's probably why the locals havent seen them: invisible and hover - no marks left behind.
Just dont mention they are nuclear powered...
@16 What DB forgets, or ignores, is that it isn't 1982. For example, the RAF now flies the Boeing C-17A Globemaster, capable of transporting main battle tanks, and the RAF Voyager, capable of in-flight refueling AND transporting troops. Also that there is a proper garrison on the Islands and a proper air base.
May 03rd, 2013 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17 You mistake me. I had no thought of using MBTs on the Islands. They are for the armoured drive on Buenos Aires. I believe we have 400. We also have 781 Warriors and around 200 Scimitars. There are no Scorpions anymore.
@26 You'll be glad to know that the TAM tank is no match for the Challenger 2. In fact, a Challenger could literally crush a TAM.
@30 Let us not forget that the total number of troops that the UK put on the Islands was 10,000. But they took 11,313 cowards, sorry, prisoners. That's on top of the 1,657 wounded. That means that a maximum of 10,000 of ours went up against 13,000 of theirs.
@31 We have around 900 Storm Shadow and 500 Brimstone air-launched cruise missiles plus all RN fleet submarines are equipped with up to 30 Tomahawks. It has also been suggested that the Type 45 destroyers may be so equipped with the longer Sylver A70 silos. There are currently seven fleet submarines and six Type 45s. That's around 1,600 plus missiles before reload. Would that be enough?
Brimstone is a bit of an overkill on the TAM ¬_¬
May 03rd, 2013 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anbar
May 03rd, 2013 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, that's the one, though the crews have been experiencing unforeseen problems with them, forgetting where they parked them.
A solution has been developed by local commanders, Challenger 2a crew members can often now be identified when seen in the field, they are the ones walking round tapping long sticks in front of them.
36 Conqueror (#)------- Can I push the frigging button so that we can all go to sleep safe in the freaking knowledge that we have done good in the world.
May 03rd, 2013 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Malvinas dispute ‘will only end when Argentina has full, definitive possession of the Islands’”
May 04th, 2013 - 07:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess the dispute isn't going to be ending then, and definitely no point wasting one's time talking to them about it.
Don't worry mates seems a couple of wind turbines are enough to render blind your radars and jeopardise yor RAF.
May 04th, 2013 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Wind farm 'will allow in enemy jets' says MOD”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/394712/Wind-farm-will-allow-in-enemy-jets-says-MOD
Radar returns that do not move? Mmmm! Must be an Argentine surprise attack,
May 04th, 2013 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0How can they tell?
Cos they are windy, painted white and have their arms up!!!!!!!!
Being a monarchist, I too blame democracy for this apparent inability for Argentina and certain individuals to accept defeat as the end of the matter.
May 04th, 2013 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/03/winning-the-field-but-not-the-war/
@43
May 04th, 2013 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'd be more inclined to pin it on demagogy, myself. In this case at least.
@37 If you're going to do a job, you might as well do it properly. Besides, it was designed for use against armour. And Britishbulldog does seem awfully keen. Be a shame to disappoint him.
May 04th, 2013 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@39 That could be a little difficult. In the first place, you will note the number of different platforms. That would mean that you'd have to be in a number of different places at the same time. Then, there is no telling how long you would have to stay in one place. For example, I know that a Typhoon can carry 18 Brimstones, but I have no firm information about how many Storm Shadows one could carry. Then, I've only ever seen Tomahawks launched one at a time. So there might be something of a logistical problem. However, if you talk it over with MoD, would it be enough for you to give a voice command and know that as many missiles as possible were being launched as quickly as possible?
@42 You have to recognise that DB knows squat about radar, false returns or anything of that nature. Not that it's so important because argieland is so poorly served by radar that most of the “country” isn't covered. It's likely that any RAF aircraft could cross argie airspace or, in suitable circumstances, land without the argies noticing. For example, I reckon that the 8 Globemasters in RAF service could put down about 24 Warrior light tanks at a time. And, given speed and distance, be back in 2 hours or less with another 24. Argieland only has 200 TAM tanks spread over the whole country. So with Typhoons and Apaches to shoo away the locals, I reckon around 100 Warriors could be landed in about 8 hours. Then the Globemasters can start bringing in the Challenger 2s, whilst additional Warriors could be brought in by Hercules C130J. The RAF has 24 of those, so they could maintain the same level of supply.
43 Think: From a military man I don't know why you linked that piece of munure. Perhaps to follow the general theme after your 'I'm a monarchist” quip?
May 04th, 2013 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hilarious.
45 Conqueror--- Britishbulldog does seem awfully keen. Be a shame to disappoint him.
May 04th, 2013 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Keen!!!! I was all for carrying on in 82 and doing the job properly, If we had the Muppet's now would be second class Chileans instead if fourth class Argentinians and this frigging moron President would have been working in brothel first as a prostitute and then as a frigging Madam.
@46 Thank you, we do try so very hard to please. I'm not sure, though, that James Q. Whitman, a law professor at Yale and the author, most recently, of “The Verdict of Battle: The Law of Victory and the Making of Modern War” would be too pleased to have his work described as “a piece of manure” even by as renowned a thinker as your good self.
May 04th, 2013 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15
May 04th, 2013 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Invasion coming soon I only feel sorry for the poor souls will be lost from poor Britain.”
Hmmm, when the FIDF invade Patagonia, you RGs won't see them come.
@Pete Bog
May 05th, 2013 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Time to learn Jew-jitsu perhaps? ha ha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ko4eZTPC6o
We don't have a dispute.
May 05th, 2013 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0lf you do then that's your problem,
You can “insist” as much as you like,
We will just ignore you as usual.
Shoo, irritating insect.
Ah the Internet!
May 05th, 2013 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where linking to a blog is all you need to “win”!
5 DanyBerger
May 05th, 2013 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Winds of war coming are you prepared?
I hope so...
And the rest…
We hope you are prepared to die for lies and untruths,
That’s ok then,
But if you lot have no intentions of being there,
Then your moaning and predictions are worthless are they not.
People die in war,
War is not for children, fools or the brain washed,
And before you ask,
CFK and her government will NOT be there to back you.
Go on…call your own bluff..
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Malvinas dispute ‘will only end when Argentina has full, definitive possession of the Islands’, umm no the dispute would not end! 3000 Falkland Islanders would be attacking Arg, so dispute would not end!!
May 06th, 2013 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps what she meant was==
May 06th, 2013 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The dispute will end, when Argentina has finally and definitely destroyed its self in pursuit of someone else’s property.
They will give up the lives prosperity and future of argentina,
In an attempt to steal what is clearly not theirs ,
And when this day finally arrives, CFK will pack her bags and all her countries money and soddy offy,
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