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Falklands/South Georgia dispute placed by Argentina under the CCALMR umbrella

Tuesday, May 7th 2013 - 08:42 UTC
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The Buenos Aires media is reporting a potential incident situation in South Georgia waters which could erupt into something more complicated from the moment the Argentine research vessel ‘Eduardo Holmberg’ has been involved in scientific activities in a zone which last year was declared by the UK as a Maritime Protected Area, MPA, and which Argentina does not recognize since it considers it ‘an area in dispute’. Read full article

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  • Anbar

    anybody translate this into english?

    May 07th, 2013 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Yes, Argentina is acting like a petulant child.

    I hear the next step is a tantrum in the lolly aisle at a local supermarket followed by holding their breath until they get noticed.

    May 07th, 2013 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    This is going to get Embarrassing for the Master of the vessel. He is going to be pushed to do something he normally would not do.

    Is the Holmberg carrying any 'trawl' gear with onboard?

    May 07th, 2013 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Shades of Constantine Davidoff?

    I wonder? 0/10 for originality.

    May 07th, 2013 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fedaykin

    No I know the full details the hilarity of what has developed isn't lost on me!

    So let me get this straight, Argentina and the UK are both members of CCAMLR. Argentina submits papers to CCAMLR stating they plan to do research around South Georgia waters. CCAMLR recognises “the government from South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands” (the UK) as having sovereignty over those waters as part of an MPA and it is the Falklands governor (the local UK representative) who makes decisions in such matters. CCAMLR passes the request to the Governor of the Falklands who kindly issues a permit. Considering Argentina and UK are both members of CCAMLR and the Holmberg appears to be doing research of mutual benefit it appears to be a win win situation.

    So Argentina has a tantrum refuses to recognise the permit and will now be violating our territorial waters!

    You couldn't make it up!

    When she arrives make sure HMS Clyde is there to ask for the issued papers, when they don't provide said papers politely tell them to turn around or be boarded and impounded for illegal fishing!

    May 07th, 2013 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Room101

    The UK was fully aware that this clumsy probing would arise out of the venture into these waters by the psuedo-scientific Argentina vessel.
    Sun-Tzu with blindfold.

    May 07th, 2013 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fedaykin

    As I said in another thread what mustn't happen is this vessel be allowed to just get on with its work. Argentina must not be a allowed to normalise scientific operations around our territories as it is the slippery slope to more trouble!

    We have issued a permit, when they arrive in South Georgia waters we must be there to ask for it and if they don't we turn them around!

    No doubt Argentina will howl and protest to anybody who will listen but that is immaterial. They asked to do the research with a body both countries are members of. That body passed the request to us and in the spirit of cooperation a permit was issued. If they choose to not accept that permit then they have to accept the consequences of their actions.

    May 07th, 2013 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    As said above, the vessel should be asked for it's permit. If it cannot produce it then, they should be turned around. If they refuse to go, then they should be arrested for trespass, their vessel impound until Argentina coughs up some dough to pay in compensation.

    And since we know they won't do that, then the vessel should be sold and all proceeds should go towards conservation.

    Besides, it'll be fun to watch CFK foaming at the mouth, and watch yet another round of embarrassing 'meetings', as they complain to everyone from the UN to the Law of the Sea Tribunal, whilst simultaneously BEGGING someone...anyone...to come to their aid.

    Of course that'll mean the Argentine government p!ssing away even more of the Argentine taxpayers money on useless pursuits, instead of doing something to help the 11 million poor in the country.

    May 07th, 2013 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    South Georga, South Sandwich Islands are British and the waters around them are British. The Argies must be told to Foxtrot Oscar!

    May 07th, 2013 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Biguggy

    #'s 7 & 8
    Agree with you both but one extra, the vessel should be 'inspected' for any sign of military activity and if found dealt with accordingly.

    The 'accordingly' would vary depending on the circumstances from just being asked to leave, told to leave, arrested etc..

    May 07th, 2013 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Sink it

    May 07th, 2013 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @11 - yankeeboy

    We can't sink it. Knowing the Argentines it would pollute the area for generations to come.

    Better to impound it and sell it right under their noses. I wonder if Ghana is interested in a second hand (well knowing Argentina probably 3rd hand) scientific survey vessel, going cheap?

    May 07th, 2013 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I was just quoting the best line in the movie Iron Lady.

    Better to impound it and let them come and get it. Do they have anything else that floats?

    May 07th, 2013 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @13 - yankeeboy

    Ah, my mistake! Good line, but the movie could've been better, too much jumping about from one timeline to the next.

    I believe that the Libertad still floats, but whether she will ever be let out of port again is another matter.

    May 07th, 2013 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • manchesterlad

    With the blue dollar at 10/1, inflation around 28%, devaluation around the corner, Brazilians pulling out their investments, Uruguayans complaining about unfair trade practices, the opposition starting to organize themselves for the October mid-terms, corruption being exposed at the highest levels ......... it's time for an international incident to distract the masses .........Quelle Surprise!!!

    May 07th, 2013 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    More childish games - really all that Argentina is capable of.

    May 07th, 2013 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    Wait until they shoot their gear, then send the sub in to accidentally drag them astern until they sink.

    Accident - Happened a few times before.......

    May 07th, 2013 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • El capitano

    As a retired Fishing Master(Trawl)..I took part in and saw the results of the so called “Cod Wars” at Iceland and I can assure one and all that by playing things“Low Key”the British Gov: is playing right into the hands of these Argentinian bullies(Lunatic)..There should be NO negociations with these ass holes who just dont know when to STOP pushing the enverlope.This so called Argie research project should be stopped dead in its tracks,as to ignore,or make excuses for it will spawn nothing but grief further down the line.Firm “Action” is the ONLY thing that these moronic Argentinian monkies understand,and who can ever forget what followed their last trip to Sth Georgia..Its way past time that the British Gov: came down hard on these third world bullies,no talking at this point,just firm decisive action. Get that vessel out of British Territorial waters...NOW..!!

    May 07th, 2013 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    Have to agree with you Captain.
    No permit to show, no buisness being there, - Put a rope on her and tow her in to international waters.
    If she comes back with no permit, do a #11 YB on it.

    May 07th, 2013 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GFace

    So the teenage brat wants to have an underage drinking party in the neighbor's island beach house so she can look cool and get attention from her friends and “like show everyone like you know I can do anything fershure I totally want, chaa?” Oddly enough the owner has just effectively given her permission. And now the eternal teenager tosses a tantrum because they are ruining her street image.

    Classy. But oddly predictable.

    May 07th, 2013 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • screenname

    El Thinko taking about the cod wars again...

    'negociations' ?????? Don't you mean negociaciónes

    jajajajajajajajaja

    come on Think, first you are the ex-RN DoD, now you used to be on a trawler.

    We all know that Argie boats have trouble floating, is this why you pretend to be British?

    May 07th, 2013 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @21 screen

    “El Thinko” doing his best to goad us along to exasperating the situation??

    May 07th, 2013 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • screenname

    @22 Troy Tempest:

    I “Think” it is quite a funny post once you realise it is another one of his crazy sailor characters. A lot funnier than surfer and even DoD...

    Last time he banged on about the cod wars was in the run up to the referendum. If memory serves, he thought a 'peaceful' Argentinean fleet would sail right up to the Falklands unopposed.

    What an imagination he has.

    May 07th, 2013 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    Idiotic and immature games playing by Argentina - what a stupid move!

    May 07th, 2013 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @18 El Capitano

    What do you think of the Malvinistas?

    What do you think of CFK???

    May 07th, 2013 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steve-33-uk

    'Ships flying the flag of Falkland: Foreign Ministry says authorities are investigating - the Uruguayan Foreign Ministry issued this Tuesday 7 a release where it stated that the 'competent authorities' are investigating alleged revenue of vessels flying the flag of the Falkland Islands to Uruguayan ports...'
    http://www.uypress.net/uc_40050_1.html

    ''The Falkland Islands are reminiscent of the Truman Show' - During their journey across the Falklands see Jasmine Fisher and Peter Lipton what life there is reserved for a citizen with a specific type of character. Today their latest blog....'
    http://www.uypress.net/uc_40050_1.html

    'The sinking of the Belgrano and the myth of the successful mediation
    An argento myth is that the sinking of the Cruiser General Belgrano was designed to put an end to negotiations....'
    http://www.uypress.net/uc_40050_1.html

    'Own exchange for 200 and 500? Opponents want a law authorizing new banknotes ~ The bill provides that the new notes have the image of the Falkland Islands...'
    http://www.uypress.net/uc_40050_1.html

    May 07th, 2013 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Honestly guys any one on here think that we should just treat this with the contempt it deserves. I think that if HMG makes too much fuss over this, they will be playing right in to her hands. By all means monitor the actions of this vessel and if it breaks the rules take the appropriate action.

    Though having said that, if they land a again with a party of marines, raise the flag etc, well what can I say, blow the buggers out of the water!!!!!

    Harrrrrhhhh!!!! )-:)~

    May 07th, 2013 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @26steve33uk

    “'Ships flying the flag of Falkland: Foreign Ministry says authorities are investigating - the Uruguayan Foreign Ministry issued this Tuesday 7 a release where it stated that the 'competent authorities' are investigating alleged revenue of vessels flying the flag of the Falkland Islands to Uruguayan ports...'”

    Is that what is happening still Steve33, Falklands vessels actually prohibited, or that is what the Uruguay foreign minister wants??

    And yes, ask the Holmberg for its “permission slip” - then escort them away.

    Play politely by the book - that is exactly the pretence Argentina is using to disregard authority and jurisdiction.

    May 07th, 2013 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steveu

    Sounds like this might be the “stunt” we were expecting around the time of the referendum.

    We will no doubt challenge their lack of permit and they will say that their boat has been illegally attacked as they play the victim to all their SA “friends” who will make “ there, there” noises whilst sniggering behind CFK's back.

    So predictable.....yawn!

    May 07th, 2013 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • El capitano

    @#25.... Since you asked the question...I think Argentina is a third world basket case run by a bunch of crooked lunatics who cannot help but TRY and impress its neighbours with its constant tantrums that will get it nowhere.Its general population can be associated with the common “mushroom”..ie...“Kept in the dark and fed horse shit”by a fascist gov; who just love to keep telling the rest of the world that they really are a “democracy”...lol..Bottom line is that CFK along with her sycophantic followers will continue with their dysfunctional behaviour until once again they will overstep the line of “rational” and Argentina will pay the price of these buffoons.Then again one can only blame the Argentinian people for their own woes,as they continually elect idiots as above.Hope this answers your question#25...!!

    May 07th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    ,,,, Bullshit,
    Send in the fxcking navy and remove them or sink em.

    They are taking the fxcking piss,
    What with Spain in Gibraltar , argentina here,

    Next thing you know,
    Fxcking Venezuela'
    Will be landing on the isle of white.

    Cameron
    get of your crappy arse and do something.

    May 07th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    @31

    Trolling is all they've got. Its just trolling and they want a strong reaction so they can say 'did you see what he did sir, he threatened /hit me sir'. Britain needs to react but not in the way Argentina wants them to.

    May 07th, 2013 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Yep, leave them alone and they will go home, dragging their tails behind them, or in this case, their nets. If they have any that is?

    May 07th, 2013 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steve-33-uk

    @28 Troy Tempest
    It was a big story yesterday in the RG media, not sure why merco hasn't ran it, but they can be a day or two behind with the news.

    May 07th, 2013 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    By all means authorise the Argentine vessels visit to our territorial waters, then sink it.

    May 07th, 2013 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Trunce

    Let the world see Argetine government for what they are - provocateurs.

    Nothing lost, and well respoonded to by Falklands and UK gov.

    May 07th, 2013 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Biguggy

    @36 Trunce
    Until such time as the RG's do something which is outside their 'permission'.

    I wonder what odds Ladbrooks would give on that happening?

    May 07th, 2013 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    If they can't produce the permit, impound it.
    Ship the crew home, then sell it.
    lnvest the money in conservation, finally,
    Broadcast to the world what really happened.
    OR Sink it.

    May 07th, 2013 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    Knowing how well the Argentine fleet is maintained, I wouldn't be surprised if the RN doesn't have to rescue them.

    May 07th, 2013 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    IN THE WORDS OF THE LATE GREAT MARGARET THATCHER - SINK IT!!

    May 07th, 2013 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Trunce

    @37 Biguggy

    ”Until such time as the RG's do something which is outside their 'permission'.

    Maybe - it would be prudent to let them have enough rope should that eventuality arise ; )

    May 07th, 2013 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Biguggy

    @41 Trunce

    Fair comment. Catch them with 'their pants down' as it were?

    May 07th, 2013 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    It would be brilliant if we caught them spying.

    I imagine Cristina 'all I want is peace' Kirchner would look stupid with egg on her face, as the UK shows the world how the Argentine government are lying two-faced barstewards (as if they all didn't already know).

    But the way the Argentine economy is tanking right now, I wonder if she'll still be President in a few weeks time, maybe even less time. I'll bet that helicopter is all fuelled up and ready to go.

    May 07th, 2013 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @43lep
    “But the way the Argentine economy is tanking right now, I wonder if she'll still be President in a few weeks time, maybe even less time. I'll bet that helicopter is all fuelled up and ready to go.”

    Do you think the Air Farce cut corners servicing it - recycled parts?

    @32 Tobers

    Looks like a series of provocations, Timerman in London, Holmburger in South Atlantic, what next??

    May 07th, 2013 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Biguggy

    @43 LEPRecon

    Don't you think it would be ironic if the only safe place for the chopper, or aircraft to put down was the Falklands?
    I know unlikely to about the power of 1 million to 1 million, but one can dream.
    By the way I do not think it is going to be weeks!

    May 07th, 2013 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Trunce

    @42 Biguggy

    They are no threat. A permit was granted. That they choose not to ackowledge its granting is of little consequence.

    As Ms Rimble said - “the Argentine notification does not give precise details about the research operation area.”

    Future misunderstanding can be avoided by reminding Argentina of the need to apply for permission to enter territorial waters, together with a submition of precise details relating to proposed research.

    May 07th, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    I don't think there is too much to worry about really considering Argentina's luck with keeping ships seaworthy.

    May 07th, 2013 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @47 Anglo

    All quiet on the 'Stevie' front for a bit.

    I suppose HR is reviewing his Personal Performance Assessment file with him today.

    I expect to see him re-tooled and ready to try new tactics before they suggest ' a few weeks off to relax and recharge his batteries“ before the run up to the election.

    I hope ”Sussie” doesn't 'sub' for him.

    May 07th, 2013 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    This ship has only very limited duration at sea; it is basically a local shore / intermediate vessel.

    If it does transgress, the time taken checking the documents it DOES have could push it beyond it’s time and the supplies of fuel and food would run out.

    No doubt they will start bleating but then and they will demand, and then beg, for resupply from the Falklands which could be used for much better publicity than these idiots are capable of.

    May 07th, 2013 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    Oi, hang on a minute. Didnt Mr Timmerman rabbit on about claims under the Treaty of Tordesillas? Well even though South Georgia was terra inconita at the time it should surely belong to Portugal or thier soveriegn successors Brazil? So an urgent scientfic mission should be organized from Brasilia to teach the penguins in South Georgia Portuguese.
    Actually Cristina with her passion for renaming is going to redesignate Grytviken as Puerto Capitan Alfredo Astiz perhaps

    May 07th, 2013 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    @48 Troy

    Yes I hear they are going to demote him for failing to:
    * keep a consistent fantasy
    * turn the debate around
    * highlight my sexual orientation enough
    * make any English speaking country look bad while attempting the above.

    It's a shame really. The pay grade below his is paid in pesos and not hard currency. So now he is in the same pay grade as Dany.

    May 08th, 2013 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Anglo

    He's lucky.
    At “sussie's” level, he would be fighting for food scraps under Maximo's table.

    May 08th, 2013 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    @49:
    She'll have to put in to Grytviken under some excuse no doubt, engine problems or whatever, - Then more bollocks to follow.

    May 08th, 2013 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    “I “Think” it is quite a funny post once you realise it is another one of his crazy sailor characters. A lot funnier than surfer and even DoD...”

    at least he remembered to long into the correct account this time - him forgetting which account he was in recently was amusing in the extreme ;-0

    May 08th, 2013 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Philippe

    Whenever a spy ship, like the 'Eduardo Holmberg' is involved, a potential incident situation could erupt. RN and RAF please beware!

    Philippe

    May 08th, 2013 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    32 Tobers
    Yes a bit over the top,
    They are of course no danger yet”

    Perhaps a small detachment Gurkhas on a little exercise nearby may make them think twice before any bad intentions..
    mm
    .

    May 08th, 2013 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Biguggy

    56 briton

    Whilst basically a 'Good Idea' I do not think that there are any close enough to get there in time.
    Although on the Falklands rumor hath it that when the RG infantry heard the Gurkhas were coming they left their trenches and high tailed it for Stanley. Really brave fellows!

    May 08th, 2013 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steve-33-uk

    'Queen's Speech: Pledge to protect the Falkland Islands
    The Queen has sent out a powerful message to Argentina that the British Government will protect the rights of the Falkland Islanders to determine their own future.'
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/queens-speech/10044155/We-need-an-EU-referendum-Bill-in-Queens-Speech-Brian-Binley-MP-says.html

    'Falklands not negotiable
    EURO MP, Luis Yanez Barnuevo, has told an Argentine politician that the European Parliament does not accept British sovereignty over the Falklands Island. It is unbelievable that a Spanish politician believes he has the right to comment on British foreign policy.'
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/queens-speech/10044155/We-need-an-EU-referendum-Bill-in-Queens-Speech-Brian-Binley-MP-says.html

    May 08th, 2013 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    It is unbelievable that a Spanish politician believes he has the right to comment on British foreign policy
    [ he does not ]
    http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/397798/Falklands-not-negotiable
    as above..
    As Ukip MEP Wiliam Dartmouth says: “This illustrates the point that Britain’s membership of the EU diminishes our influence in the world”.
    [ hear,,hear,, ]
    ///////////////////////////
    • Argentina President labels Britain 'cowards'
    http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/397798/Falklands-not-negotiable
    • Just one response..
    • War crimes indeed, she loves to throw rocks while living in a glass house when the Junta was killing thousands of her own people just for daring to speak against the dictators. Cowards she calls the British, when they attacked a small island population with thousands of troops protected by just one platoon of Royal Marines and a couple of policemen. The result of these actions were the deaths of many and the blood is on Argentina's hands, why is she trying to drum up the lunatic nationalists again? Because her country is in the crap again and he needs a diversion, just like they did in 1982. Talk about never learning from the past...she is very stupid.
    Without hurting her feelings we can offer the following help,
    1, she may use the [ no win no fee ] to help her case
    2, she may instigate war crimes against us,, with the proof,
    3, she may take us to the ICJ.
    4, she may use violence against us,
    What say you CFK====
    ,,,,,,,,,,
    Reply almost certainly
    1, no thanks
    2, we cant win she says
    3, we aint got anything left.
    In other words
    All mouth and no trousers or skirts.
    Chuckle

    57 Biguggy
    Very true..

    .

    May 08th, 2013 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Biguggy

    59 briton
    Should some of the tales that my father told of the Gurkhas, with whom he served in WWII in Burma are true. Together with some from a Grandfather's experiences with them in the trenches in WWI I cannot honestly say I blame the RG's for 'doing a runner'. In the jungle or at night, on small operations, they were deadly and very quiet.

    May 08th, 2013 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @60 Biguggy,
    l first made the acquaintance of the Gurkhas in Singapore.
    Thorough gentlemen, l found.
    l would trust them implicitly.

    May 09th, 2013 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Raul

    Comment removed by the editor.

    May 09th, 2013 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @Raul

    SPAM

    May 09th, 2013 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

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    Now that oil has been discovered WE WANT IT, NO, WE DEMAND IT !

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    May 09th, 2013 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    60 Biguggy
    Some say- in the jungle ect, the mere touch of ones laces could meen the difference between life and death.

    But yes feared men not to be insulted..
    .

    May 09th, 2013 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Biguggy

    61 lsolde
    Yes, that is what I was told, plus very proud and very loyal.

    65 briton
    I have heard that one. Dad used to reckon, in the jungle should you feel anything touch you, and suspected that Gurkhas might be 'about', freeze, because if you did not your next movement might well be your last.
    The one I liked best was when a Gurkha NCO came to him and told him 'Japs come', to be followed, 'OK we kill all', Dad said he had not heard anything, all done quietly.

    May 09th, 2013 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    If anyone doubts the courage of these marvellous soldiers just read this:

    http://archives.myrepublica.com/portal/index.php?action=news_details&news_id=27100

    May 09th, 2013 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    I apologise for the format of my post at 64. I pasted something and it disappeared only to arrive unnoticed at the bottom.

    I was told this story by a RN helicopter pilot who had served in the war against Indonesia in the mid 1960's. He had been seconded to provide airlift facilities to the Gurkhas in the jungle.

    The Gurkhas had been sent out on patrol to capture some Indonesian troops. The British lieutenant in charge of the patrol was punctilious about the treatment of the prisoners and took their parole not to escape. He was killed for his sins. The Gurkhas finished off the remaining two prisoners.
    The patrol were extremely hacked off at the death of their popular platoon leader and said they would refuse to take any more prisoners.
    They were given strict orders that they must not kill any more prisoners.
    They were sent out again and captured two more. This time they slung them between a large bamboo pole and carried them back. They chose to ford a deep river, and the Ghurkas who are about 5 feet six waded in to the water at shoulder height. Of course, the prisoners on the poles were held at a height below the surface level of the water.
    For some reason, it took the Gurkhas ages to cross . When they arrived at the other side, the prisoners had drowned.
    It was officially reported as an accident and they were not required to capture any more prisoners. The local Dyaks were recruited for this duty. Someone forgot that their main sport was head hunting !

    May 10th, 2013 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    I recently purchased an 'app' that allows me to select radio stations by international location.
    The British Forces Radio, listened to in Port Stanley is available, and one for the Gurkhas there, too.

    May 10th, 2013 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Biguggy

    In another thread:
    http://en.mercopress.com/2013/05/10/falklands-denies-political-impact-of-argentine-south-georgia-scientific-cruise
    The Acting Governor of the Falkland Islands has said:
    The ‘ Dr. Eduardo Holmberg’ had been boarded and checked by the British Antarctic Survey’s RRS James Clark Ross (JCR) last Tuesday, as is the right of all CCAMLR members. Mrs Tyler Haywood said the inspector from the JCR had been welcomed on board the Argentine vessel carrying 14 scientists, and it was apparent all CCAMLR regulations were being complied with.
    The “Ross” is Falklands Islands Flag. This means that a Department of The Government of Argentina has permitted one of their vessels to be inspected by the FIG. ie the have recognized the authority of the FIG.
    Good Diplomatic move.

    May 10th, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    66 Biguggy
    Very true,
    No wonder the Argies think twice .lol.
    .

    May 10th, 2013 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Smiley-Face

    Wait...
    Argentine's are starving, and the goverment spends money on sending an expedition..?
    Oh, wow.

    May 13th, 2013 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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