Argentina first of 66 countries to sign UN Arms Trade Treaty; US on hold

Wednesday, June 5th 2013 - 08:19 UTC

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Representatives of sixty six countries lined up at U.N. headquarters in New York to sign the first international treaty to regulate the 85 billion dollars global conventional arms trade, a landmark event. However doubts exist about whether the treaty will work. Read full article

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Think
TWIMC
Article says...:
Argentina first of 66 countries to sign UN Arms Trade Treaty.......
I say...:
Think is happy......
Jun 05th, 2013 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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reality check
I say read the order of signatories,

Alphabetical anyone?
Jun 05th, 2013 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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mollymauk
All very well signing up to it, hope they accept and abide by its decisions.

Not a very good track record there though.................. (UN SC 502)
Jun 05th, 2013 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Think
Turnip at (2)
I say read the order of signatories,

http://unoda_web.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Countries-that-have-signed-the-ATT-as-of-3-June.pdf.

Argentina first of 67 countries to sign UN Arms Trade Treaty.......
Think is happy......
Jun 05th, 2013 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Redrow
@4 Think

Argentina is alphabetically first of the sponsors.
Come to think of it, alphabetical order might be another plank in the sovereignty case!
Argentina is both geographically closer and alphabetically earlier than the UK. Except.....the United Provinces comes after, so you lose again!!

I hope Mr T realises that's an international treaty he is signing. Not that I'm insinuating anything of course.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Think
(5) Redrow

Are you infering that that Rouge Failed Pariah State called Argentina has been co-cponsor, together with civilized countries as Costa Rica, Finland and Kenya, for the UN Arms Trade Treaty?

Stop pulling my leg!
Jun 05th, 2013 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Redrow
@ 6
Rouge or Rogue?
Jun 05th, 2013 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Think
(7) Redrow

Are you infering that that Rogue and (Rouge:-) Failed Pariah State called Argentina has been co-sponsor, together with civilized countries as Costa Rica, Finland and Kenya, for the UN Arms Trade Treaty?

Stop pulling my leg!
Jun 05th, 2013 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Orbit
CFK's government excel at signing things - its what they do best all that pomp and false bonhomie at little cost to themselves; its the implementation they consistently fail at... that requires hard work, planning, transparency, accountability and follow up. Not their strengths one bit.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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screenname
It's all a secret plan...if those Latin imperialist squatters in SA can get everyone back to using sticks and stones they might stand a chance of invading some more land.

Muhahahahaha

Why am I imagining CFK stroking a cat?

http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/images/drevil_bigglesworth1.jpg

“Argentina will give up its claim to the Falkland Islands if Britain pays a ranson of 1 million-pounds, Muhahahahaha !!!!!!”

You couldn't make this stuff up: http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/images/drevil_bigglesworth1.jpg

But of course she has Maxi-me, instead of mini-me.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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ChrisR
The woman in the photo is saying “just mark your X here, Mr. Timmerpunk: what do you mean that is not how you say your name. Well I can tell you TMBOA calls you that; - NOW what have I said, you LatAms are touchy aren't you?”
Jun 05th, 2013 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Conqueror
@1, 4 What effect does the “order of signatories” have? After all, argieland breaches agreements, treaties, binding UNSC resolutions, international law, court judgements, contracts and its own “constitution” without paying attention to the “order of signatories”. Mind you, signing isn't all that important. Ratifying is. And, on occasions, argieland has gone YEARS before ratifying something it had signed. In the photo, I think the lady is saying “Look, Mr Timplstiltskin, we've left you a whole page so you don't put your ”X“ over someone else's signature”. Argieland has few fears over this treaty. After all, it manufactures little that anyone else wants. I understand that it's possible to knock out an argie-designed and built tank driving an Austin Mini armed with a Colt .45! No doubt the WW2 Italian influence.
@10 Very useful, that second article. Even in 1843/4, the argies were being told the Islands were British. Pretty thick if you don't get the idea after 170 years. And its first default in the same story! That's pretty amazing. Nearly 200 years of defaults. Wonder if argies understand why people don't want to lend them money. Nothing to do with the IMF. Just a long history of being crooks.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Anbar
Does it matter if Argentina signed it or not?

Do they have anything military to sell?

Would anybody buy it if they did?

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“”“What effect does the “order of signatories” have?”“”

Absolutely none whatsoever... unless you've got the attitude of a 5 year old.

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“”“”CFK's government excel at signing things - its what they do best all that pomp and false bonhomie at little cost to themselves; its the implementation they consistently fail at.“”“”

QFT

However, once again: exactly who buys arms from Argentina anyway?
Jun 05th, 2013 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Pete Bog
@12After all, it manufactures little that anyone else wants.

That's why it's easy to sign-but as you say Argentina signing a treaty usually means they ignore it (Treaty of perfect friendship with Britain 1850), the UN Charter (they don't recognise it).

@13Do they have anything military to sell?

Yes. A training jet some say is called after barren grassland but sounds suspiciously like babies diapers, that can't even sport a swept wing and needs engines and kit from other countries. (I think they even had to get a USA firm to make it in the end),

If they can make it as cheap as the Biodiesel they were trying to flog to Europe perhaps the UK could buy them as target drones for use in the Falklands. But hey, that would be militarising the South Atlantic.
Jun 05th, 2013 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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ChrisR
They do of course have the 'Bursa' range of pistols, some of which are available in Uruguay though I have never fired one.

The full-frame 9mm looks like it might be OK but you can never tell just by looking and who in their right mind would want to be the first to fire the thing?
Jun 05th, 2013 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Biguggy
There really is very little left for me to add to the short comings of the Nation of Argentina, the previous posters' seem to have covered them all except for the one brought on by this Treaty.
How is Argentina now going to purchase arms in the International Market from signatory countries as said countries are supposed to examine the possibility that the weapons may be used, inter alia, to deny human rights? Think, deny the Falkland Islanders their UN Charter right to self determination.
Jun 06th, 2013 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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reality check
Well they are pretty well screwed anyway, Arms are expensive, who in their right mind is going to accept their credit?
Jun 06th, 2013 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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