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Malvinas C24 Argentina petitioners: Maria Angelia Vernet and Alejandro Betts
Maria Angelica Vernet and Falklands’ born Alejandro Betts will be Argentina’s petitioners at Thursday’s June 20 United Nations Decolonization Committee session in New York when the Falklands/Malvinas Islands sovereignty dispute will be addressed. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI wonder if these two get paid to be trotted out onto this very small world stage once a year?
Jun 19th, 2013 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I mean Alexander Betts. An immigrant to Argentina and afforded rights that Argentina and Argentines don't think should be extended to immigrants to the Falkland Islands. Quite a bit of hypocrisy there.
As for Maria Angelia Vernet, so what? Her ancestor was a businessman. Full stop. I once fell for the Argentine propaganda that Luis Vernet was somehow important to the whole sovereignty dispute, however I have come to realise that he isn't. He twice tried to make a living off the islands and twice failed.
If Maria Angelia Vernet seriously is considered an example of someone who has lost something because of actions that occurred nearly 200 years ago, then she should look around Argentina and think about what has been lost there by the original inhabitants over the past 500 years. Another hypocrite.
If Alexander Betts feels unwelcomed in his homeland, then he is the same boat as millions of others around the world. Some who have to languish in refugee camps for decades waiting for a country to welcome them as much as he seems to have been welcomed by Argentina.
Neither of these people are important.
But it is funny how they are trotted out once a year and then forgotten again.
It doesn't change any facts on the ground or in history. The Islands are not and will not be part of Argentina. If after 180 years the Argentines haven't gotten that through their thick skulls, that is more a reflection on their intelligence level more than anything else.
Nice “Dog & Pony Show”, but it does not change the facts.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Go Alejandro go!
Jun 19th, 2013 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 01 Anglotino
Jun 19th, 2013 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0My thoughts exactly, nothing has changed.
Do they trot this woman and this malcontent out every year?
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Nice, Alejandro !!
Yada yada yada....same shit just a different pile...!!
Jun 19th, 2013 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not so much “Go, Alejandro, go!” as much as “Hey, Alexander, we thought you left?”
Jun 19th, 2013 - 04:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Alexander cares so much about the islands he should have stayed and voted in the democratic process set up there rather than making himself a stooge and a fool for Argentina's misguided little schemes.
So, according to Argentina, Vernet was head of the Political and Military Command in 1833?
Jun 19th, 2013 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really...?
But he'd not been on the islands for 18 months and assigned Matthew Brisbane (British) as his agent.
Argentina had replaced him with Mestevier (murdered by his own men), so didn't even recognise he still held the role.
Poor Arjuntina, can't even get their story straight!!
Their visit will be in vain as the Decolonisation Committee has absolutely nothing to do with sovereignty and, other than omit a lot of hot air, is not in a position to make any declaration other than to press for decolonisation which the Falklanders have already achieved. So what's the point in going over all the old chestnuts?
Jun 19th, 2013 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0After all, most of what the Argentines will declare consists of lies, myths and fairy tales!
I wonder if Maria will drop the same little 'clanger' as last year?
Jun 19th, 2013 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Funny how betts is given a voice, a “Argie born” and they won't listen to the majority of the Falklanders
Jun 19th, 2013 - 06:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's also strange that they can only wheel out Maria and not any of the rest of Vernet's family, think they're as disgusted by this as any normal thinking person would be? Also, if you look at what her claim is as a “direct descendend” well, that might be true, but she has 7 other great grandparents, I'd be interested to know where they come from to see how Argie she actually is.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does anyone ever wonder if Tinman has been paid by the UK to embarrass his own country and destroy its none existent claim beyond doubt?
Jun 19th, 2013 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0I find the comedy show very entertaining, keep up the good work!
Ah! There they are, I knew it. Now, where is the Ornithologist?
Jun 19th, 2013 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Re my @8 For “omit” please read “emit”!
Jun 19th, 2013 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0This lot hate their military criminal junta with it's fascist past and it's penchant for murder or at least they claim to. Yet here they are admiring a man who spied on his neighbours and denounced them to that very same junta. Go figure!!!
Jun 19th, 2013 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0They have to get past these beauties before they can realise their colonial ambitions, all the rest is just waffle.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRU1UVzWaXI
Strangely niether the falkland islanders or the british goverment seems to be invited to the c24 beanfeasts so net exactly important then?
Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a load tripe. Luis Vernet was a entrepreneur, given a stamp of approval from BA and UK to try to set up a business venture on the islands. Things fell apart as he acted way beyond his remit. Vernet was interviewed about his endeavours at the time and he stated that he wanted Britain to sanction his activities because they were most capable of protecting his assets and retaining their sovereignty.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Déja vu?
Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Turdman looks forward to this. He can visit relatives, stuff another bundle in the bank and top up his shirts.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@17
Jun 19th, 2013 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Islanders' will present their side of things. The US and UK gave up on this sub-sub-committee years ago and walked out, although I understand that when anything directly concerning the UK comes up they have 'an observer at the back'.
It's becoming more like the annual freak show where Argentines are concerned I bet they will not be using the delightful Tango1 for there journey to New York so more tax payers expense for a lost cause why couldn't they drag these two people there last year? surely they are running out of options and silly propaganda stories.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's really simple, they just need to say:
Jun 19th, 2013 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is a decolonisation comittee, not a sovereignty committee.
The point of the C24 is to do what the people of the territories want, we voted to be with the UK.
If you can't agree with our choice then I propose that you represent someone else's interests and not those of the territories.
Either remove us from the list, as we now request, or move this to a higher representation. Whatever you decide, do it now and with the full approval of Ban Ki-Moon.
We also suggest you stop Argentina from coming to these meetings as they are not an overseas territory and are therefore not relevant to the committee or it's investigations.
So? what other stupidities can you come up with, Argentina?
Jun 19th, 2013 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0They still don't get it. The Falklands do not and never have belonged to Argentina
Jun 19th, 2013 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have this committee achieved anything of note in the last 10 years?
Jun 19th, 2013 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 22andy65
Jun 19th, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0They were there last year, see the whole charade here:
http://webtv.un.org/search/the-special-committee-on-the-situation-with-regard-to-the-implementation-of-the-declaration-on-the-granting-of-independence-of-colonial-countries-and-peoples/1690041985001?term=Falklands&sort=date
@26
No, just one 'off the list'.
@24 Isolde
Please do not ask or we might find out.
I cant quite understand why Argentina wishes to humiliate themselves in this fashion.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently, Alex Betts (according to them) is fundamental as he is the only “falklander” who supports their cause. Whilst understanding the principle of self-determination is important, he is in a miniscule minority.
Maria Vernet is another joke presenter. her great-grandfather left the islands in 1831 and left Matthew brisbane as his agent. Brisbane was neither evicted, nor Argentine. In fact like Mestevier he was murdered on the islands by Aergentines.
If Maria Vernet has issue with anyone it should be with the US, who blew up her ancestors business during the Lexington raid. Otherwise, he may never have left the islands.
Its ridiculous that this couple of loons are afforded a forum at the UN
@10
Jun 19th, 2013 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When it comes to Argentines, they only listen to what the Islanders want and have to say if it agrees with their viewpoint on the Falklands. If an islander does not agree if Argentina's stance, they are a squatter an unsurper and/or pirate. They are a charming people, aren't they?
Alejandro (Alex) Betts “Argentine born in Malvinas” is a resident of Cordoba province since the beginning of the eighties.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ummm. two questions
1. who is Alejandro Betts (& why would he change this name)
2. why did he leave the falklands in the early 80's?
I seem to have missed this story.
It's silly season at the good old C24 again, the usual players will attend to debate a sovereignty issue which has Ferk all to do with them and Ferk all to do with the remit of the C24 committee.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It will be interesting to see though, did Mr BKM's words fall on deaf years and it will be business as usual. I suspect so, they tend to ignore everything else he says.
It's described, in part, in this article by The Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/falklands-referendum-why-ask-british-people-if-they-want-to-be-british-8528331.html
Jun 19th, 2013 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite frankly the UN should tell the C24 that only interested parties regarding decolonisation should be allowed in their meetings.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has no place since it is the only country that want to continue to colonise other people's territory.
I honestly don't know how Mr Ban Ki Moon puts up with these buffoons, both from the Argentine delegation or from the C24 committee, who always seem to be speaking beyond their remit.
same old dog & pony show from implanted Argentines.. arguing about sovereignty to a committee that has absolutely no influence in that regard whatsoever.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Playing to the home Argentine audience really, nothing more.
The West Norfolk Racing Pigeon Society are holding their Annual General Meeting next month.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't they send a delegation there. It has exactly the same powers to deal with sovereignty issues as does the C24.
In other words, ferk all. But at least they are familiar with the migrating habits of birds!
Alejandro Betts is what is known as a Useful idiot
Jun 19th, 2013 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
As I mentioned yesterday, it is time that the Falklands delegation asked some very pointed questions and “demand” (favourite argie word) that the Committee answer them. To start with C24 is a venue about decolonisation. What is argieland doing there? It's only interested in sovereignty. Why is argieland, or any of its cronies, allowed to speak? Regarding the Vernet woman, what is her relevance? So she is, supposedly, the great great grand daughter of Luis Vernet. So what? Great great grand pappy was illegally appointed in the first place, engaged in piracy and his tenure was effectively ended in 1831 with the visit of USS Lexington under the command of Master Commandant Silas M Duncan who declared the Falklands to be “free of government”. What EXACTLY is it that the Committee wants to see in order to de-list the Islands? Bearing in mind that there is a belligerent neighbouring territory that has already invaded, and been thrown off, more than once. The Islands cannot defend themselves, from their own resources, against the likes of argieland. The point should be made that argieland is currently conducting an economic war, contrary to the UN Charter, against the Islands. The delegation should point out that the UK is carrying out its duties under Chapters XI, XII and XIII of the Charter to the complete satisfaction of the Islanders, whilst argieland is only attempting to impede them. And get the Committee to define “people” and “peoples”. If the Islanders aren't a “people”, the Committee has no business interfering in their affairs. And Morejón Pazmino should be told that he should disqualify himself in the light of his partisan public statements. Attack is the best form of defence. Follow the lead of Gibraltar. Tell the Committee that if it can't do its job, it should keep its nose out. But perhaps it could serve one useful purpose by telling argieland to keep its nose out. And the noses of its cronies.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25 “They still don't get it. The Falklands do not and never have belonged to Argentina”
Jun 19th, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The people will never get it. You think they will believe you?
@28 “I cant quite understand why Argentina wishes to humiliate themselves in this fashion.”
Very simple, the people in Argentina would rather die than let the British keep the islands. Argentina doesn´t have a military so we´ll do anything to annoy you. Haven´t you understood yet?
9biguggy
Jun 19th, 2013 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I wonder if Maria will drop the same little 'clanger' as last year?”
Biguggy
For those of us who don't know, please tell us about the 'clanger'.
Thanks
Tinpotman goes on about usurpation in 1833' & 180 years of colonialism but I never ever hear him bring up the events of 1982
Jun 19th, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely recent history supercedes anything that happened almost 200 years ago!!!
Excellent attitude and responsibility of María Angélica Vernet and Alejandro Betts. Irrefutable evidence Argentina sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0World public opinion can no longer be deceived by racism, colonialism and imperialism of the 21st century English.
The Argentina government and opposition are united and together in the claim of sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. Besides United Nations, the OAS, CELAC, UNASUR, MERCOSUR, AFRICA, and Asian countries support them.
See the following link
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-222586-2013-06-19.html
@39
Jun 19th, 2013 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Allow me.
Marcelo Luis Vernet, descendant of Luis of Falklands fame, read out an extract from Mrs Luis Vernet's diary, describing how Vernet had decided to claim the islands for Argentina in 1829.
Thus giving the lie to all Arjuntine claims print to 1829 - Jweett, Areguati, Vernet himself.
This in front of CFK, Timerman, and 90 odd accompanying Yes-men, none of whom seem to have noticed. Even better, the offending diary extract was part of Arjuntina's written submission to the Committee, and last time I looked was still available on the web site of the Arjuntinan Ambassador to the UN.
You can see why Marcelo might not have been invited back.
@41
Jun 19th, 2013 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good, return the whole of South America to the natives which your very own family raped, murded and stole. And then fuck off back to spain. Hypocritical fuckwits.
#41 You really aren't very clever are you.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The inhabitants of the Falklands have demonstrated that they are happy with their current governance, so explain to us what “racism, colonialism, and imperialism” have got to do with this situation.
Though on that note, the entire founding basis of Argentina is exactly that: racism, colonialism, and imperialism, and not just on the part of the Spanish.
Face it, you will never get the Falklands, and there is nothing you can do to change that. It must feel terrible to be so impotent in the face of 1500 civilians defended by a mere 1000 members of HM armed forces. Your government is truly pathetic, whining at anyone who might not their head for 5 minutes.
Seriously, I feel sorry for you, why don't you spend your time doing something useful?
#41
Jun 19th, 2013 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I looked at your link....so what ?
It's the same old nonsense being put out again by an ARGENTINIAN SOURCE. This being the case, we can ignore it again.
raul2 What a stupid statement! Have you ever read the definitive work of Pascoe and Pepper? Have you never heard of the Arana Southern Treaty?
Jun 19th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vernet’s preference for Britain
Jun 19th, 2013 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As we have seen (section 13), in April 1829 Louis Vernet had told the British Minister to Buenos
Aires, Woodbine Parish, that he would be happy for his settlement in the Falklands to be under British
sovereignty, and two months later in June 1829, shortly before leaving Buenos Aires for the islands,
Vernet even wrote two letters to Parish inviting him to invest in his colony!2
Vernet made yet another plea for British sovereignty to William Langdon, a British naval lieutenant
who visited Port Louis in late 1831 and arranged to purchase Vernet’s first land concession in the
Falklands. Vernet knew this message would be passed on to the British Government, and Langdon did
pass it on, pointing out that:
… from a conversation I had with Mr. Vernet upon the subject, I am authorised in saying no objection
would be made to the occupation of it by the British Government, provided private property would
not be interfered with.3
That is well known by historians in Argentina, and Ricardo Caillet-Bois quotes it too.4
Although it was thanks to Louis Vernet that there was any Argentine presence in the islands at all, and
thus any basis for a claim today, this is why his name is suppressed in some Argentine publications
including the two 2007 pamphlets. Vernet provided yet more evidence of his preference for British
sovereignty in his communications with the British Government in the years immediately following the
British re-assertion of sovereignty5 and when he went to Britain in 18526
Raul
Jun 19th, 2013 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Racism is what the Argentines are doing
Colonialism is what the Argentines want
Imperialism is Argentinas plan
Claiming territories against the will of the inhabitants is colonialism.
it is what Argentina did in the genocide of the desert in the 1880s and want to do with the Falklands
Britain has the greatest record of any nation in returning colonised territories to the indigenous population, Argentina has never returned any territories to anyone they stole from, just attempted to steal more.
There is no place in the 21st century for Argentine colonialism...
Has the UN got a complaints mechanism so that the UK/Falkland Islanders can complain about Argentina's collusion/intrusion with the C24. Does this not amount to bullying and go against the Human Rights of the Falkland Islanders???
Jun 19th, 2013 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39
Jun 19th, 2013 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My apologies my post should have been clearer. As Hans has stated (thank you Hans), in post 42 it was Marcelo who last year 'dropped the clanger', I was wondering if Maria was going to 'drop' the same one this year, you know for RG consistency.
48 Monkeymagic
Jun 19th, 2013 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember that the specificity of the Malvinas Question is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina.
Besides committee considers UN decolonization to the Falkland Islands as a colony. Of the 16 cases of colonialism in the world, 10 correspond to the UK they are: Anguilla, Bermuda, Gibraltar, Malvinas Islands, Cayman Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands, Montserrat Island, Pitcairn Island and St. Helena Island.
Just look at any website decolonization committee concerning the United Nations refers to a colony are implemented.
Besides UN resolutions refer to are a colony.
See 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). All declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination. It usurped territory decolonized.
@39 Troy Tempest:
Jun 19th, 2013 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is taken from the declaration given by Marcelo Luis Vernet at the UN in 2012 (the English translation is included in the original document),
Sunday, 30 August 1829 was a feast day for the village. María writes in her diary: “Very good Saint Rose of Lima day, so Vernet has decided to take possession today of the islands in the name of the Government of Buenos Aires. At twelve o’clock all the inhabitants gathered together, the National Flag was hoisted, at which time a twenty-one cannon salute was fired, and cheers for the Motherland were repeated incessantly. I pinned ribbons of the two colours of the flag on the hats of everyone present.”
So there we have it, Vernet thought that if you gain access to someone elses property by deception (the British gave him premission to set up his business venture there), you can then simply take that property. As demonstrated by the UK's swift action against BA military that were sent to the islands, if Vernet had been honest about his intentions it is fair to assume he would not have been allowed on the Falklands.
Meanwhile, you can see that Vernet is claiming the Islands in 1829. This means we have an eye witness account saying the Islands were not considered proto-Argentinean (UP, BA, whatever) prior to this date... which means they know full well all the 'we got it off Spain', 'Jewett claimed it' stuff is total lies.
And they entered this into UN records!
As said by Hans, the original PDF used to be available online. It now seems to have disappeared (what a surprise). I thought that might happen and downloaded it from the Argentine UN site last year. The link that I used last year will still be somewhere on this website.
@41 What a dumb cluck you are. “Irrefutable evidence” of argie desperation and lies. Here's some “irrefutable evidence”. Islands discovered and settled by Britain from 1690. Formally claimed by Britain in 1765. Attempt by Spain to claim the Islands in 1770. Defeated in 1771. Islands illegally claimed in 1820 by a pirate in 1820. Vernet receives British permission for a commercial venture in 1826. Doesn't succeed until 1829. Unrecognised Republic of Buenos Aires appoints Vernet Political and Military Commander of the Malvinas. Okay, I've just appointed myself President of the United States. Any arguments? Vernet indulges in piracy culminating in the “visit” of the USS Lexington in 1831, arresting various members of Vernet's gang and declaring the Islands “free of government”. In 1833, Britain returns to the Islands and ejects various “trespassers”. Perhaps we should have shot them. In 1850, argieland signs a treaty with Britain “in settlement of all outstanding differences”. Not that it makes any difference. Argieland never complies with any treaties. Incidentally, OAS, CELAC, UNASUR, MERCOSUR, AFRICA, and Asian countries are irrelevant. And the UN doesn't “support” argieland. It's neutral.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Besides, push too hard or start another war and we'll blow you off the face of the planet. Don't make any mistake. There isn't one single “argie” that the British people consider to be human. And why would we care about exterminating feral animals?
@ Raul2
Jun 19th, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will humour you here and please answer my question. If the Falklands is a colony of Britain and you condemn this terrible act and has no place in the XXI Century. So your solution is to make the Falkland Islands a colony of Argentina, which would actually be against the wishes of the people who live on those islands. How is this scenario more palatable? In fact, using your logic it seems far worse.
Please justify to me the transfer of colonial overlords from Britain to Argentina.
(Just to point out, I know the Falklands are not a colony and the people of the Falklands [like myself] enjoy democracy and freedom as a British Overseas Territory)
Screenname and Biguggy
Jun 19th, 2013 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for posting that !
Very clearly, they have been shown to be lying and are now locked into one argument which itself is at the very least, controversial LOL !!
@51
Jun 19th, 2013 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul, you are out of date, even your ridiculous government doesn't claim that the “original population” was expelled anymore. It was a lie you were spoon fed.
They now use the term “argentine authorities”, which actually applies only to Pinedo and his crew who arrived in November 1832. Hardly “original” nor a “population”, and Matthew Brisbane (who was not evicted) but left on the Sarandi, returned a couple of months later to continue his role as Vernets agent on the islands.
So pretty much none of what you post is true.
On the same theme, the UN resolutions you quote ask for dialogue to achieve a peaceful settlement.
Again, dialogue failed because Argentina wished to break the UN Charter, peace failed because Argentina invaded at the cost of 1000 lives, and lasting peace is ensured because Britain now defends the islanders from your colonial aspirations.
Your shameful 21st century imperialism won't work Raul...
raul2
Jun 19th, 2013 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Remember that the specificity of the Malvinas Question is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina.”
That's not true, is it? A penal colony was established in late 1832 for a couple of months. The troops in charge rioted, killed their officer and raped his wife in front of her childre.. HMS Clio arrived and they were removed leaving the colony untouched. Because sovereignty was British they hauled up the Union Jack. You are spouting lies!
”Besides committee considers UN decolonization to the Falkland Islands as a colony. Of the 16 cases of colonialism in the world, 10 correspond to the UK they are: Anguilla, Bermuda, Gibraltar, Malvinas Islands, Cayman Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands, Montserrat Island, Pitcairn Island and St. Helena Island. Just look at any website decolonization committee concerning the United Nations refers to a colony are implemented.
Besides UN resolutions refer to are a colony. See 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). All declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination. It usurped territory decolonized. ”
The Falkland Islands are not a colony, so you are wrong and this committee has no say and no legal basis. Wrong again Raul! You are talking bullshit. The islands will remain British on Friday and there is nothing you or they can do about it. Suggest you consult a proctologist because you are talking out of your arse :-))))
@51 - You are behind the times - the Argie Propaganda Ministry has now updates their lies and inconsistences regarding the history of the Falklands. They now admit that only the Argie garrison was expelled. LOL.,
Jun 19th, 2013 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@56 Monkeymagic / all
Jun 19th, 2013 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just had a thought...
If Argentina have officially retracted the lie 'That Britain expelled the Argentine population from the Falklands in 1833', wouldn't that invalidated UN Resolution 2065, as it was arguably the main factor in the resolution being passed?
Other lies made by Argentina as listed below...
1. That Spain made an express reservation of its
sovereignty in the treaty of 22 January 1771 which ended
the crisis caused by Spain’s peacetime attack on the
British establishment at Port Egmont in 1770.
2. That Argentina put a governor in the Falklands in 1823.
3. That Britain expelled the Argentine population from the
Falklands in 1833.
4. That the Argentine inhabitants resisted the British
“invaders”.
5. That Britain replaced the Argentine inhabitants with
British subjects.
6. That there has been no international agreement to
confirm Britain’s possession of the Falklands.
7. That Argentina has never accepted Britain’s possession
of the Falklands.
8. That Argentina has never ceased to protest at Britain’s
possession of the Falklands.
9. That Argentina’s claim is imprescriptible, i.e. eternal
unless freely given up.
10. That the present Falkland Islanders are a temporary
population.
11. That Britain’s possession of the Falklands violates the
territorial integrity of Argentina.
12. That Britain seized South Georgia and the South
Sandwich Islands by force from Argentina.
http://www.falklandshistory.org/false-falklands-history.pdf
@53 Conqueror,
Jun 19th, 2013 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“-in 1833 Britain returns to the lslands & ejects various trespassers.”
“Perhaps we should have shot them”.
l believe several of them were hanged by the UP Government when they returned to BsAs.
Some Argentine “Heroes” indeed!
@51 and Raul you numpty name me one of the countries or islands listed that DON'T want to remain a BOT which is more to the point. THEY ARE HAPPY, the day they aren't, all they need to do is ask. If you can I'll be surprised. My point the only people not happy with these places being BOT's is rgenfookinweener, but heyho you don't give a fuck what the people of these BOTS want do you? As long as you get what you want, well I've news for you and it's all FOOKIN BAD, now sneak off back under your rock there's a good boy. Why aren't you gobbing off about France's, US ,and Hollands overseas territories, that's right you convenienty forget about them it's only Britain that has overseas territories eh? PRICK. If there was no oil, or massive reserves of fish you wouldn't give a fuck!!
Jun 19th, 2013 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@60
Jun 19th, 2013 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“-in 1833 Britain returns to the lslands & ejects various trespassers.”
“Perhaps we should have shot them”.
Eject from where?…….East Falkland, did the British have permission from Spain to do this? The British have only ever had claims to West Falkland.
What is it called when you seize someone else's property and evict inhabitants…….Theft……Land Piracy…..What?
Surely the only people with a right to do that would be the Spanish.
Seems to me Port Stanley should be moved to West Falkland, East Falkland does not belong to them, I do believe even Vernet was based on East Falkland.
Bet you are on East Falkland……trespasser……Get Orff moy land!
A-hole
Jun 19th, 2013 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain left voluntarily in 1811. They have never returned.
No “inhabitants” we're evicted. The only evictees were the 55 argentine (UP) militia that had arrived 2 months earlier and tried to claim both East and West Falkland.
Vernet wasn't on either East or Weat Falkland, he was in Montevideo. His community wasn't evicted, they remained under Vernets deputy and agent, Matthew Brisbane, who was British and happy to accept British rule.
If Spain wishes to contest its historic title to East Falkland, I would be happy to see them in the ICJ and question why they'd done nothing in 202 years.
It would still be a stronger claim than Arjuntinas.
It seems CFK is still desperate for that victory,
Jun 19th, 2013 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sadly it wont be the falklands, rather than the destruction of her own country,.
I thought A_Voice was British lol, “think” you forgot to change your password :p
Jun 19th, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@59 Steve-uk
Jun 19th, 2013 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The attached Argie document, amended on 10 April 2013, states, 'After the expulsion of the Argentine authorities, the commander of the British ship left one of the settlers of Puerto Soledad in charge of the flag and sailed back to his base.'
There is nothing about ANY settlers being expelled just 'Argentine authorities.'
http://archives.is/www.cancilleria.gov.ar
@65
Jun 19th, 2013 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't know where you get these ideas from......if you think I'm British.....good for you old chap......I was doing my Brit farmers impression, surely you have read Viz?
@63 hey monkey!
You don't know crap......the Americans took away some of the inhabitants, but not all, clearly Vernet couldn't go back with the Americans after him. Learning lessons from the American trespass it would make sense to send a militia.
And why was Vernet in Montvideo.......must have got wind the Yanks were after him and legged it before they got there.
a voice eat shit and do one...........go home you numpty CFK is desperate for your taxes LOOOOSSSER, the British legion Dover will survive without you in fact you probably bum wets off all the lads anyway
Jun 19th, 2013 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fresh link to Argie history.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0cancilleria.gov.ar/es/history#09
Seemed to of changed their version on 10th April 13
@68
Jun 19th, 2013 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Was that it? Oh well done, you sure told me!! .......ROFLMAO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WljZJ4E0jlE
@67 a shit voice, And why was Vernet in Montvideo.......must have got wind the Yanks were after him and legged it before they got there. Sounds familiar ..................he ran away then? That's where the trait started then and was written into rgenweeners history. Still no sign of it changing either
Jun 19th, 2013 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@71
Jun 19th, 2013 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No I think it started at with the English at Bannockburn........then another good example at Gallipoli, then an even better one at Dunkirk.........Sound familiar??
@72 don't forget the one's we won and there was loads of them YOU? That's right you didn't lose you just surrendered. Surrendering since 1833 you must be good at it by now? No in fact you are, you have it weighed off too a tee, feeling yellow surrender monkey?
Jun 19th, 2013 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is truly amusing that each troll seems to have a different tale to tell concerning the status of the Falklands archipelago. It is even more amusing to see that these accounts are even different to the nonsensical declarations of CFK and Timerman and to the garbage from Alexander Betts. So why can't they come up with a coordinated account?
Jun 19th, 2013 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile, the supporters of the Falkland Islanders certainly seem to have done their research and their points seem basically the same and, furthermore, are accurate and true accounts of the history of the archipelago not a lot of fairy tales, myths and downright lies.
@73
Jun 19th, 2013 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is difficult not to surrender, when there is no means of retreat!!........you are such a dimwit......Doh!!
“you have it weighed off too a tee”.........“you have it off too a tee”.......that's better, familiarise yourself with the idioms....idiot!
@74 isn't funny that avoicethatstinksindover has to only remember Bannockburn (where the English then batter Them to bits, Gallipolli, and then Dunkirk where we came back and kicked their arses all the way back to Berlin) tell us stink of one great period of rgenweeners history where you have some credence, not throwing nuns out off c130's or invading a defenceless island, not one of slaughtering indigenous peoples but one of a bit of pride and courage. I bet you breed chickens in Dover and have a yellow stripe up your back, ever received any white feathers?
Jun 19th, 2013 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A-hole
Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vernet wasn't running from the Americans in Montevideo..perhaps you should research your history before talking out of your rectum.
He was and continued to try and get justice and reparation for both the original piracy and the Lexington raid.
The Vernet inhabitants that remained after the Lexington raid also remained after 1833. Not one was evicted. Four volunteered to return to Uruguay...the remaining 20-30 remained under Brisbane (Vernets British deputy) and British rule.
perhaps Argentina should take their complaint to the US for the Lexington raid...nothing to do with us.
@75 astinkyvoiveoverdover funny how the ex RN officer doesn't know weighed off to a tee is a Royal Navy saying idiom ..............fookin idiot. No need to surrender if you're fuckin winning is there? Not something you'd know about eh? IDIOT !!!!! Familiarise your self with history dickhead !!!!!
Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Argentina adds regional support for the Falklands - Yesterday was the Solidarity Group North America - The Argentine government continues to add gestures to support the claim that Britain feels to discuss the claim sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. Yesterday was the turn of the Solidarity Group meeting with the Malvinas Question of North America, organized by Mexico...'
Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.diariobae.com/diario/2013/06/19/30157-argentina-suma-apoyos-regionales-por-las-malvinas.html
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'Support municipalities in Brazil to claim for Malvinas - Brazilian municipalities were added to support other communities in Latin America to international demands of Argentina over the sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the surrounding maritime areas. 's National Confederation of Municipalities of Brazil (CNM Brazil) signed the letter of support for the Latin American Integration table that took place within the framework of the Seventh Summit Conference of Mayors 2013 and in parallel with the First Latin American SMEs entrepreneurs, who led Julio Pereyra, president of the American Federation of Cities Municipalities and Associations of Local Governments (FLACMA) and national ministers of Industry, Debora Giorgi and Labour, Employment and Social Security, Carlos Taken. At the time of signature, Zulkoski Paulo , Brazil CNM president said: “ We support the claim by way of dialogue and peace.'s important to reach an agreement that is beneficial to the whole region, because it is not an issue only Argentine Falklands conflict involves the resources that make common interests of all who are part of this continent. ” He added: ”We represent over five thousand cities and know the importance of a region such as the Falklands, because it is a strategic and resource-rich...'
http://www.diariobae.com/diario/2013/06/19/30157-argentina-suma-apoyos-regionales-por-las-malvinas.html
@77
Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see you have just been desperately searching.........so tell me......why did he leave?
“He was and continued to try and get justice and reparation for both the original piracy and the Lexington raid.”
???? he left before the Lexington raid..........what original piracy? Vernet was the one accused by the Americans of Piracy.
He obviously got wind of the Yanks coming......
He left November 7th
November 29th, the Lexington arrives at the Rio Plata........figure it out Sherlock
@76
You don't know anything about anything do you? Bannockburn was a complete victory that led to Scottish Independence which they kept till the Union??
Gallipoli was against the Turks…….it was 1915, I'm not sure what they would be doing in Berlin!
All you are doing is displaying your ignorance and you are only capable of throwing about pathetic insults…….Whatever!!……..carry on it almost your bedtime!
Difficult to surrender when there is no means to retreat, ahem, I seem to recall someone mentioning Dunkirk!
Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course that does require the courage and will to expose your navy to enemy fire and take losses, much better to keep it buttoned up nice and safe in port. Ready to sortie out and give battle, or not as it was in this case.
Doh!!!!!!!!
@81
Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My point still stands.......if not for the evacuation at Dunkirk the BEF would have surrendered......same with Gallipoli.......same at Bannockburn. They all have one thing in common.......they ran!
@80
Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not desperately searching at all, Vernet was accompanying the American ships captain to Montevideo on the accusation of piracy. He never returned to the islands. As this has been repeated 1000s of times on these boards..there is no need to desperately search for anything.
Your claim that the British evicted the remainder of his community is a LIE.
They remained, first under the British, who paid them in silver, and subsequently under Vernets deputy Brisbane (British) who tried to return to paying them the promissory notes as Vernet had done. This was what led to Brisbanes murder.
The only ones evicted was the remained of Mesteviers crew, under Pinedo, who'd been there 2 months.
As you indicate, this militia had tried to claim ALL the Falklands, had no permission from Britain for west Falkland, nor Spain for East Falkland. They were trespassers, murderers and rapists...the names of all 55 are in your National Archives remember?
So, Vernet was absent trying to defend his interests in Mentevideo, his British deputy controlled his business interests long after the British arrived, Vernet was happy with British sovereignty as shown above. Vernet (as Brisbane) was not evicted and was welcome to come and go to the islands to support his business..he chose not to...mostly as it was failing after the Lexington raid.
The only evictees were Pinedos crew on the Sarandi, who as you clearly state were not Spanish so had no right to be on east Falkland, nor British so had no right to be on West Falkland..as they claimed both, and we're rapists and murderers, Britain sent them packing.
To claim they were inhabitants is stretching even Arjuntina truth...
A_Voice hijacking yet another thread and yet again saying not much.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh well it bumps it up on search engines so that people can come and read and make up their own minds.
Another own goal.
If anything I'd have to say that Argentina's actions in the last two years have backfired spectacularly. It's like a propaganda war that is repeating 1982. Initial gain and then squandered by surprise counter attack.
@84
Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you think a-hole tries to hijack threads?
Oh, I just thought he was a delusional retard who liked the sound of his own voice.
Its quite fun to watch he make a complete turd of himself with a mixture of ignorance and lies.
Long may it continue.
He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From Gallipoli, deployed to the Western front and the Turkish front in Palestine, Syria and all the way to Damascus.
From Dunkirk, to safety, North Africa, Italy, back again to Normandy and on in to Germany. Russia took Berlin, they suffered the most that victory was theirs by right.
Something else Gallipoli and Dunkirk vets had in common, they ended up on the winning side.
@83
Jun 19th, 2013 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Your claim that the British evicted the remainder of his community is a LIE.”
I have no idea where you came up with that one........I never said any such thing??
I think it was Isolde that posted that as a quote from Conqueror
here.....@53 Conqueror,
“-in 1833 Britain returns to the lslands & ejects various trespassers.”
@86
Jun 19th, 2013 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be fair, Argentina has won a war. The war of the desert where they managed to slaughter several thousand Amerindians and steal their homeland in the 1880s.
That's a grand a brave Argie victory.
They didn't run away when they could commit genocide, they stayed to fight that one.
@60 lsolde
Jun 19th, 2013 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe if you can get someone to check the records you will find that those that were hanged were shot first and one of those had a hand cut off prior to being shot. Two others were flogged, one with 100 lashes and the other with 200, both were also sentenced to extra military service.
The Scottish victory was complete and, although full English recognition of Scottish independence was not achieved until more than ten years later, Robert Bruce's position as king was greatly strengthened by the outcome. Bruce secured Scottish independence from England militarily — not diplomatically (and we know what happened next eh? all the clans shit on each other for a piece of the pie that still exists still this day, you reep what you sow) However, the fighting resumed in the 1330s during the early reign of King Edward III, with significant English victories at the Battle of Dupplin Moor and the Battle of Halidon Hill. Funny how you never mention anybody else's defeat in Gallipoli maybe it was just us fighting them eh the French weren't there at all and the Germans weren't fighting on the Turks side it was just us and them eh. Dunkirk seem to remember you saying that one dumkompf and we all know what happened next eh. At least their fleet had the guts to put to sea. Ignorant twat I'm 52 I can stay up as long as I like
Jun 19th, 2013 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if there will be a Syrian rappateur this year, wiping the blood from his hands before he speaks
Jun 19th, 2013 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@88
Jun 19th, 2013 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are such a fucwit aren't you…….yeah Vernet conveniently not there when the Yanks come looking for him for Piracy…Doh!
You are great at repeating the same stuff, just not very good at original thought are you?
You must have repeated the same thing on every single thread………the Emperor needs a new Groove…….stuck in this one!!
@84
“A_Voice hijacking yet another thread and yet again saying not much. ”
So you come on and say even less………well done Skip!
@90
Hah you have just cut and pasted that!!.......I don't need to......I already knew it, that's how I was able to bring it up.........Well I'm glad you have learned a little today........now keep it up and Wiki some more...not much time left for you.......Three score and Ten........you are not far off!......Best get learning!
@92 Of course I cut and pasted it, saves typing half wit and I've forgotten more than you'll ever know, highlight right click and press copy put the text in area you need right click again and press paste simples HALFWIT. Best you get learning apart from running away that is. 52 is nowhere near 70 pal .So your half a score and 1 bravo sprog past your bed time goodnight
Jun 19th, 2013 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@93
Jun 19th, 2013 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So why were you trying to tell me something I obviously already knew??? Dimshit
Ha ha you are closer to a hundred than zero that's for sure...;-))))
Avoice has left the room!
Mercopress certainly does its own credibility no favours at all by constantly posting Turdmans rantings as per all those who support Arjuntina.To date I can never recall a single instance where by Mercopress has made any effort to “question” this lunatics insane rantings,ie..to approach and question those quoted by Turdman.There are two sides to all arguments/debates yet Mercopress has yet to post any kind of a response from those whom Turdman loves to name as his supporters.Very poor journalism,or is this the South American way..?
Jun 19th, 2013 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 041 raul2
Jun 19th, 2013 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's completely irrelevant whether or not Argentina is successful or not with her use of viveza criolla. As it's not an issue that is dependent on vox populi. So it's a complete waste of your countries time, as it is never going to be resolved politically. That's because as the far as the UK is concerned it's a legal question, they know that Argentina could never win legally. As a result there is no power on earth that can take sovereignty away from them. So just keep banging those pots, though there's little good it'll do you.
51 raul2
Even if the UK hadn't got a claim to the Islands from 1765, which preceded Spain's. What they did in 1833 was absolutely legal under international law. Even if Argentina could make an inchoate claim, the UK could not have violated the territorial integrity of Argentina. As this is a modern law and you cannot in international law apply laws retroactively.
Well A_Voice is definitely not British after post 94.
Jun 20th, 2013 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0But I do blush when he calls me Skip, he probably thinks it is an insult.
And after your 10 posts on here, he has still commented less on the article than I did in my first post.
Thankfully he doesn't comment on many articles.
@15. “This lot hate their military criminal junta with it's fascist past and it's penchant for murder or at least they claim to. Yet here they are admiring a man who spied on his neighbours and denounced them to that very same junta. Go figure!!!”
Jun 20th, 2013 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0On this is just priceless isn't it though? Their star witness for their fascist colonialist argument is a Little Eichmann from their Dirty War that the celebrate-reputidate-celebrate-reputidate.
What an irredeemable government CFK runs. It's like having SS informants argue on behalf of Germany to give them the Poland, Denmark, Holland, Slovakia/Czech Republic. And all of the Malvinsta/LaCampora apologist for the Junta now have no choice but to own the Dirty War they lie about opposing.
I particularly like the Urban Myth they seem so fond of that, even if the junta had succeeded in the invasion, they would still have still replaced them. Excuse me! Yeah sure!
Jun 20th, 2013 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0They would still have been in power and this man Betts would have been an integral part of their regime on the Islands. My bet is that the man would have played a leading part in the selection of those to be expelled from the islands.
History is full of them, you found them in Holland, Belgium, France, Norway even on the Channel Islands. Nasty little opportunists, who raised their flag on the wrong boat. Only this one still gets the opportunity to act turncoat, wrapped in their flag and considered a hero.
No one likes a turncoat. I wonder if they know he really works for MI5!
@92
Jun 20th, 2013 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, repeating everything on the same thread. The HISTORICAL FACTS.
Which NONE of them point to your dream of Argentine sovereignty.
These HISTORICAL FACTS nicely contradict the drivel that you spew, and the various myths, lies and bullshit you, Raul, think and the other Malvinistas come up with.
“original thought” or in your case “made up shit” is only necessary when the historical facts don't suit your argument....they suit mine just fine.
@76 slattzzz - I trust your comment “I bet you breed chickens in Dover and have a yellow stripe up your back, ever received any white feathers?” wasn't directed at me - it seems to be as your posting is in reply to my @74.
Jun 20th, 2013 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Has there ever been another challenge (beside India) to British 19th Century Imperialism of this sort?
Jun 20th, 2013 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Knowing the history of the British in the 19th century, there is no doubt that this was an implanted population.
@102 And remembering spanish colonialism of the 16th thru 19th centuries likewise for South America. The difference of course is in your hypocritical eyes the Argentine genocidal conquest of the desert that cleared the way for full european settlement was a GOOD thing. The UK original claim in empty islands? Well that's bad.
Jun 20th, 2013 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@99, Said the cannibal to the missionary, ”Honest, after I eat those people here (and maybe a few others there), I promise I will become a vegan.” But yes, there seems to be some fantasy reality that had the Junta been able to retain their means of staying in power by, likewise, retaining the illegally obtained islands (and the stomped on the necks of as may islanders and their fascist prince charmings pleased), AR would magically morph in to a not-quite-“neoliberal” democracy. The reality though is that the fascist apologists who post here, just as their forbears who “voted” the Junta in by acclimation in the plaza knew what they were cheering for more torture, more disappearances, more forced adoptions, and more long years of Galtieri and friends. No price was too small to pay so long as the Islanders suffered with them.
“They would still have been in power and this man Betts would have been an integral part of their regime on the Islands. My bet is that the man would have played a leading part in the selection of those to be expelled from the islands.”
I think it was more than that. That one documentary on what the Islanders went through included interviews showing that Junta was delivering very personal threats of lethal variety against them if they continued to refuse fascist occupation. Their friendly secret police chief Dowling himself said that the islanders should not only be ethically cleansed or just killed.
And now the country officially brings one if his star informants to the C24 proving that the Dirty War was a necessary evil to be gladly endured for as long as it took had they won. Awesome.
“The only questions is: Who did have the best claim when we finally annexed the islands? I thinks undoubtedly the United Provinces od Buenos Aires, now Argentina. We cannot easily make out a good claim and we have wisely done everything to avoid discussing the subject”
Jun 20th, 2013 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ronald Camp, Foreign Office 1911.
Alejandro (Alex) Betts “Argentine born in Malvinas”
He is a Malvinense.
If Mercopress is made by uruguayans, they should perfectly know the correct way of writting the name of Vernet descendance: María AngéliCa.
Jun 20th, 2013 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on, its perfectly visible the mistake, write it well.
@101 no sorry Gord meant for 75 didn't have me Gregory's on
Jun 20th, 2013 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@104. ”Alejandro (Alex) Betts “Argentine born in Malvinas” “He is a Malvinense.”
Jun 20th, 2013 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's a Little Eichmann for the Junta. Just like you.
@104
Jun 20th, 2013 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is (or was) indeed an islander. He is entitled to his opinion equal to the other 1500 islanders of voting age.
His opinion is in a 0.2% minority or less. Every country has a similar proportion of lunatics (except Argentina which has over 50%)
@ 108 Monkeymagic,
Jun 20th, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is a traitor.
Amongst the lowest forms of life.
@ 109 lsolde
Jun 20th, 2013 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Traitor is a very strong word in peace time. In wartime, in many nations, it becomes 'high treason' and results, if convicted, in an appointment, often at dawn, at a wall with a number of riflemen who will use the heart of the convicted traitor as their target.
Do you think he deserves that?
By the way I do believe a traitor is one of the lowest forms of animal life.
Isolde: He is not a traitor. Defends your country, the place where he was born: Argentina.
Jun 20th, 2013 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can someone please produce his Argentinean birth certificate then please. Otherwise his British one will have to do.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Idiot.
111 Malvinense 1833
Jun 21st, 2013 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do not worry about this “mina” Isolda. She did not even were born out in the Malvinas Islands Argentinas so has no authority to qualify an Argentine Betts, born in Argentina.
@111 Malvi1833
Jun 21st, 2013 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0He is a traitor.
When a foreign power invaded his homeland and threatened to ethnically cleanse the entire population, he sided with that invading power, probably (and wrongly) believing that the British wouldn't come to the rescue.
Definition of a traitor:
noun
1. a person who betrays another, a cause, or any trust.
2. a person who commits treason by betraying his or her country.
Now since the Falklands have NEVER been Argentinian, he was a traitor. He betrayed his own people, his own country, and his own family.
His opinion is worth nothing regarding the Falklands, he lost that right when he stabbed his family, friends and neighbours in the back for his own selfish reasons.
Oh, Malvi and Jose.
Why don't you petition YOUR government to take your sovereignty issue to the ONLY body in the world that can actually ORDER a change is sovereignty, namely the International Court of Justice?
I mean if you REALLY want sovereignty of the Islands and your case for sovereignty is so STRONG, surely you should be asking your government why it is wasting the Argentine people's time and tax money, bleating on to just about anyone who will listen, but has no authority to change the status quo?
Come on, take your claims to the ICJ. That is the ONLY peaceful way you could EVER gain the Islands.
1. 1833 - won't hold any water as you have been proved to have lied. Plus that 1850 treaty you signed and those maps you produced in the 1850's that show the Falklands weren't Argentine.
2. Territorial integrity - the Falklands have never been a part of Argentina, and you have NO evidence that they ever were.
3. Inheritance from Spain - not recognised in international law, and even if it was, they didn't leave anything to you.
4. Geographical proximity - not recognised in international law.
5. Argentine birds fly there - they'll really laugh you out of court with that one.
6. We want it - doesn't cut the mustard.
We're waiting.
@114 LEPRecon,
Jun 21st, 2013 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your support.
@111 Malvinese 1833,
He was not born in Argentina.
The Falkland lslands are NOT part of Argentina.
The Falkland lslands have NEVER been part of Argentina.
The Falkland lslands will NEVER be part of Argentina.
@113 José Mal,
l am a legal resident & my children & their Father were born here.
That gives me much more rights here, than any Traitor.
So what is it to you?(one who has no rights in the Falklands).
@41
Jun 21st, 2013 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Irrefutable evidence Argentina sovereignty over the Falkland Islands”
Why aren't you at the ICJ?
@ 116 Pete
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why ask, you know they do not have any, just lies, myths, fairy-tales and at best half-truths.
Why even their President lied to the C24 last year, she said that the British expelled people other than just the garrison and their dependents. I choose those words very carefully as she spoke in a language with which I am not familiar and the translator may not have 'got it spot on'. Another possible error in translation was when she referred to Canada as a 'colony'. Should that have been accurately translated I believe numerous of my neighbors would be slightly dis-chuffed.
@116
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree-my question is utterly pointless when aimed at someone apparently with the research skills and speed of thought of a striking snail, but I'm going to repeat the question regardless in the vain hope of a reply. Hopefully these Malvanistas report to Madame Fuhrer, and she will actually try the logical step (if they really want the Islands) of going to the ICJ.
@116
Jun 24th, 2013 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The real reason is something that Hector Timerman was too polite to allude to too directly--but basically Argentina is laying the groundwork but need not be in a rush because nature will take its course within 20 years. The UK queen is 87 years old--in apparently good health but surely has less than 20 years to go at this point. She's a nostalgic link to the past for the Brits but when she goes, people will see that this colonial stuff is a thing of the past too and it will be time to hand over the Malvinas.
Well Dash1729 just proved that he knows absolutely nothing at all about Britain.
Jun 25th, 2013 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0So the Queen dies and the UK will gift the Falklands to Argentina as a coronation present from King Charles or King William?
The arguments just get dumber and dumber every day.
@ 120 Anglotino
Jun 25th, 2013 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0If this were a book of fiction no one would believe it was based on reality!
Well perhaps a RG might.
@119 dash1729,
Jun 25th, 2013 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0ln your dreams.
@119 Utter tosh.
Jun 25th, 2013 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@120
Jun 25th, 2013 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All I'm saying about Charles is that Peron wasn't successful without Eva. Not the man's fault, perhaps, but just the way it is.
@119 dash1729
Jun 25th, 2013 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha, ha. Very amusing.
But it 20 years time Argentina will still be a broke, corrupt basketcase of a country, and the Falklands will be a very rich British Overseas Territory working towards full independence at some point in the future.
In fact the way things are going Argentina probably won't exist in 20 years time. You wonderful President Cristina is ensuring that she takes Argentina with her when she's finally ousted out of power.
Dear Cristina. The best thing to ever happen to the Falklands. Her inept, corrupt, clownish and desperate claims have been the cause of much merriment throughout the world.
Her ambassadors and foreign ministers are amateurish and don't know how to behave properly, her lies have been exposed internationally (although perhaps not nationally in Argentina has she has control of most of the media), and her continuous spending of money that Argentina hasn't got well certainly mean another default, greater than 2001/2002.
By the way, the line of Monarchy has been unbroken in nearly 1,500 years. When the sad day arrives that Her Majesty passes away, her son will assume the throne.
Hence the saying, ”The King (or Queen as appropriate) is dead. Long live the King (or Queen as appropriate)”
No gap. No confusion. No anarchy. Just the continuation of the line of Monarchs.
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