Saturday, July 13th 2013 - 13:28 UTC

Cristina Fernandez admits few European countries are a flying option for her

President Cristina Fernandez revealed during the Mercosur summit in Uruguay on Friday that as a result of the judicial dispute between Argentina and the hedge funds, a few countries in Europe are not a flying option for her.

Fears that Tango 01 could be impounded on request from the hedge funds or ‘vulture funds’

The Argentine president made the admission during her speech to her peers in support of Mercosur unity and condemning the attitude of four European countries that denied their air space to Bolivian president Evo Morales who was forced to land in Vienna and wait thirteen hours.

“I am going to be extremely sincere. I cannot fly to some countries in Europe with my presidential airplane, because there might be a judge who will dispose a seizure order after a ‘vulture fund’ request”, explained Fernández de Kirchner.

“If I am aboard, I don't know if they won't seize me as well,” she said. “There are new forms of colonialism, more subtle than those practiced centuries ago.”

After joking that probably they would keep the plane and let her go “To the disappointment of the opposition in my country”, Cristina Fernandez insisted that “we still see people that want to disunite us, they want to divide us, so they can take our natural resources”.

In October, Argentina suffered a similar situation when Ghana’s justice ordered the detention of the frigate “ARA Libertad” naval ship, due to a hedge fund request that holds Argentine defaulted bonds and demands full payment of capital and interest.

ARA Libertad, the flagship of the Argentine navy was impounded for two months because of the demand from a Cayman based investment firm alleging Buenos Aires owes it 370 million dollars.

In January, the Argentine government had to rent a British aircraft for Kirchner's trip to Cuba, the United Arab Emirates, Indonesia and Vietnam for fear that her official plane would be impounded in a debt dispute.

 

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1 RICO (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 01:47 pm Report abuse
Wow, the poor woman is restricted to taking first class flights with the plebeians. Or are there countries that cancel scheduled aircraft flights when they know she is coming. As for Morales if he hand't made public statements that led people to think he might try and illegally take a fugitive through a countries airspace then perhaps he wouldn't have had his flight plans blocked. She can't bear to travel with the mere first class passengers because they might lynch her, so has to have her own plane even though the country cant pay its bills and he can't keep his mouth shut and then will not accept the consequences of what he says. Were these really the winning candidates of a presidential election in modern civilised democracies.
2 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
Why is Europe above the law RICO? Why can they grant asylum to people other countries in Africa and Middle East want?
3 GFace (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 02:06 pm Report abuse
@1 “Wow, the poor woman is restricted to taking first class flights with the plebeians.”

Who says she's flying business. I can see her desperately walking through the coach cabin (where she belongs) with her middle seat boarding pass telling people in the aisles and windows, “excuse me, I'm traveling with this [points to sad person in middle seat-who unlike her doesn't have the chutzpah to try it] person, will you please switch with me?” .... “excuse me, I'm traveling with this person...”
4 Optimus_Princeps (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 03:16 pm Report abuse
Does she realize that the only people that believe her can barely read and will never take a plane? “New forms of colonialism”?

She will be crushed in the elections by her own ex-followers. The only ones left are the ones she feeds with our tax money. We are increasing the security on our home. I imagine that home invasions will increase when welfare checks start to arrive late.
5 Conqueror (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
@2 How unfeeling of you. Haven't you got a number of asylums you could put her in? Or have the lunatics objected?

By the way, your English is failing.

So let's take a look at the real situation. Argieland has a cheating, lying, thieving “president” that won't pay the country's debts although there is money for “prestige” projects. Bolivia has a “president” willing to aid a fugitive criminal. Grounds for asylum include race, nationality, religion, political opinions and membership and/or participation in any particular social group or social activities. And which one these categories does Snowden come in? Afraid I can't find the category “politically useful”. And now it appears that Snowden wants to stay in Russia! The ingratitude. Not wanting to go to Venezuela! But he has to agree to stop blabbing. Unlikely to be difficult. Who'd ever trust him with a “secret” again? He'll be exceptionally lucky if anyone even tells him their middle name!

“Why is Europe above the law?” It isn't. It just happens to know what the law is. Unlike latam, that makes it up as they go along!
6 bushpilot (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
That is beautiful! Borrow money, don't pay it back, and claim you are the victim, of subtle new forms of “colonialism”.

What a fork-tongued bunch of thieves! Who would go near these people!!? Who would loan a dime to these people and actually believe they are going to get it back when this is the way they talk about their obligations?

Can one of you pro-Argentina people give me a rational explanation as to why a private “vulture” entity trying to get money is actually a new form of subtle “colonialism”.

Tell me also, is CFK spewing total “nonsense” here, or is she actually making an intellectually advanced observation?
7 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
Simple, those same vulture funds don't expend a calorie going after all the American and European banks that mulcted them out of trillions through lies, book-cooking, and canard math.
8 bushpilot (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 05:01 pm Report abuse
@7 Truth

Trillions of dollars? That is a huge amount.

Did these “vulture funds” also buy up loans based in American and European banks? I didn't know that.

Did these “vulture funds” really experience losses of “trillions” from the loans they bought up from the American and European banks?
9 Conqueror (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
@7 Actually, it's more the case that those “cheap” American lawyers you hired, you cheapskates, were too dumb to include a collective action clause. No-one is going to leave you alone. Will it reach the point where various countries declare war on argieland in order to recover the assets of its citizens. I do hope so. Spain, Italy, Germany, Japan and the U.S. Seems like a reasonable coalition. Except for the panties of Spain. I do want to see argieland forced to pay the US$124,300 billion it owes. Watch as EVERYTHING is taken. Industrial equipment, agricultural equipment, educational equipment, medical equipment, military equipment, transportation equipment. Then it's into homes to take electric and electronic equipment, furnishings etc. Maybe some “families” would like to sell their children!
10 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
#7 tobi....can you provide us with a link that Paul Singer(NML) lost trillions from EU and USA banks to which they have a legal right to go after them and that they freely choose not to? Or just one where Singer lost trillions to US and EU banks and they have a legal recourse?
11 nerosaxo (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
Can't she use her BROOMSTICK?
12 BOTINHO (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
On the other hand, if she took Snowden in on Tango 1, it would be a 2-for 1 with Seal Team 6.
13 Pugol-H (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 01:18 am Report abuse
Surely as a presidential plane, with diplomatic immunity, it, and she, can fly where the hell they want, and nobody can interfere, or it would be a “a flagrant (and old Europe colonialist) violation of the precepts of international law,“

Or is she saying this does not apply to “The Vulture funds”.

Shit, who needs a Seal Team, if you want the job done call the Vulture Funds.
14 screenname (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 03:53 am Report abuse
Boo Hoo!!!!! How dare anyone try to bring me to justice when I take money and then don't give it back (let's forget the idea of interest).

How exactly does a thief become the victim?

That said, please vote her back into power Argentina. The British aviation industry needs the business and I need the laughs.

Let's face it, the president of Argentina is going to be a malvinista, so we might as well have a stupid one.
15 reality check (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 07:36 am Report abuse
The Bolivians should lend her the fabled FAB 001.

That way she could fly wherever she liked, whenever she liked, however she liked and no sovereign nation would dare to stop her!
16 Pete Bog (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 09:28 am Report abuse
“If I am aboard, I don't know if they won't seize me as well,” she said. “There are new forms of colonialism, more subtle than those practiced centuries ago.”

You can relax CFK, you would be returned to Argentina ASAP as any European country wouldn't want to hear your whining for more than 5 minutes.

As for the 19th century form of colonialism you are trying to impose on the Falklands, it's not very subtle, though you think it is.

”After joking that probably they would keep the plane and let her go “To the disappointment of the opposition in my country”,

Errr no. They would actually keep the plane AND BEG you to go, as you are the best asset the opposition in Argentina has.

And please, please, please, stay in power.

This will induce the Falkland Islands to become an independent nation within the next 50 years.

CFK, you have no worries about that, you
17 Anglotino (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 11:22 am Report abuse
This woman is a bloody idiot.

How embarrassing to have this representing a nation.
18 Conqueror (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 12:47 pm Report abuse
@17 Please note that argieland isn't “embarrassed”. This enables us to make a judgement about the worth of argies. Please note that I am not referring to that regrettably small portion of the population of south-east South America that can properly called Argentines. Argies can best be described as being of low intelligence, naturally criminal and corrupt, larcenous, mendacious, slimy and cowardly. See how CFK is representative of her “species”?
19 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 01:50 pm Report abuse
Anglotino ....at this point I am totally convinced that Argentine's are incapable of embarrassment. At least the troll that post here.
20 GFace (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
@16, I'm telling ya, toss her in coach on British Airlines (not just for the irony and the fact that she won't get miles on her own airline but also so the flight attendants can greet her “as if she is personally responsible for the death of Princess Di”like they do with all other non-brits) book her in a middle seat in coach (where she belongs) equidistant from the bathrooms (because I'm mean), with an inflight entertainment system stuck on “the map” and next to some poor au-pair who just got told “this isn't working out” AND dumped by a text message who wants to talk about it (because I am also cruel and that happened to me once so I know what she'll experience) .
21 A_Voice (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
@20
Hey Johnny Foreigner.......did you mean British Airways???
“as if she is personally responsible for the death of Princess Di”like they do with all other non-brits) ........what strange notions you have of how the British think!
22 Simon68 (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
18 Conqueror (#)
Jul 14th, 2013 - 12:47 pm

Actually Conqueror, the “small” proportion of the populace that is embarrassed by our mis-government WAS about 36% of the voting population and is now probably around 76%!!!!!!!!
23 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
Look the bottom line is, Argentina will never pay another cent from 2001, and any future government will not seek to befriend the USA, Europe/UK, China, etc.

So much has been said back and forth that it is way beyond reconciliation. Argentines in general now fully dislike Europeans and Americans, as I have been saying here all along and none of you believed, but recently you have seen evidence to prove me right.

And what Elaine claims is of no use, she does not know the argentine population because her circle of Argentines (of course, taking her to word that she travels so much), must my nature be inclined to be pro-foreign and self-hating. Not a very representative slice of the population.

Europe and the USA burned the bridge, and Argentina simply has no interest in rebuilding it.
24 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
Look the bottom line is, Argentina will never pay another cent from 2001, and any future government will not seek to befriend the USA, Europe/UK, China, etc.

You are going to seriously be eating those words. Before I pass you a fork, start by pulling out of the IMF, WTO and G20

Argentines in general now fully dislike Europeans and Americans

And that is more of the same bullshit coming out of your mouth. Maybe in the cesspool you call mendoza......get out of your mommas basement and off her tits and stop getting drink her milk.
25 Conqueror (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
@22 I'm not going to disagree with you, because I'm not there. Let's wait for the mid-term elections. Are you prepared to agree that, if CFK and her ilk retain power, you are wrong? After all, if you are right, Peronists should lose big-time.
@23 Is that what you got told to say? So let's take a look. You can't borrow, except from countries that intend to own you. See your meat exports have dropped off to a tenth of what Brazil exports. And then few people want your soy. Got anything else?
Don't you need money? Don't you have lots of debts? So go ahead and make your own way. We like a laugh.
26 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 05:08 pm Report abuse
SImon, what do you think will happen in October? Can they actually pull it off of is the discontent too strong? I always though Scioli was somewhat of a moderate, could me my misinterpretation. But now he is openly supporting kirchner.....kickbacks and payoffs? And now they aare talking constitutional change. When I was there in February I felt the general consensus was the people were really against the change. If they democratize everything as they say, why not pull the constitutional change to the polls for a public election? They want (supposedly) everything else up for vote why not that? Just rambling out loud.
27 GFace (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 06:04 pm Report abuse
@21 re: ”“as if she is personally responsible for the death of Princess Di”like they do with all other non-brits) ........what strange notions you have of how the British think!”

Think, it seems your pathetic imaginary sockpuppet has never heard of the classic Pam Ann riff. What a weak little loser you are.
28 Briton (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
She has only herself to blame,

hang on mmmm
nope,
its all our fault..lol
29 A_Voice (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
27
nope never heard of it.......is on TV or something?......Never watch TV......
Still it's nice to know you are another British “Wannabe”.......British Airlines indeed!
30 GFace (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
@29. Think's bretend british sockpuppet no different than Think's Doveoverdover calling me who doesn't hide behind a list of fake names a wanna be brit. Sad. Weak. But what we've come to expect from “Think”
31 bushpilot (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
@23 Truth - “Look the bottom line is, Argentina will never pay another cent from 2001, and any future government will not seek to befriend the USA, Europe/UK, China, etc.”

I think Argentina will have to befriend China, or they'll do it just to piss off the gringos. So will Venezuela and Nicaragua. 90% of the 1.1 billion Chinese want to move to “America”. also.

Someday Argentina is going to have an extra 100 million Chinese immigrants and its population will all look Chinese. Can you speak Chinese?
32 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
#29 why don't you answer my question in the AMIA article? Do all you RG's just run and put your head in the sand when you are on the spot.......like your Army in 82 when the Brits waxed your asses and ruined your RG spring? Just because you use bits and pieces of history incorrectly and do not know the context of the phrases you refer does not make you any less of a person......that would be near impossible.
33 RedBaron (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 07:12 am Report abuse
Another nail in the coffin?
34 willi1 (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 09:04 am Report abuse
The truth about ck´s motivation shows a report of 2009, short before her “enthronement”.
Her genetic motivations are:
Greed for money, greed for power, ostentation, arrogance. The “poor” do not care a damn, not even her own father and family.

This report - in spanish - shows the true motivation for her doing:
see the link:

www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_gpn_RIDgAVg/SsDP1qEVTyI/AAAAAAAABFE/Ue4poLSwGgs/s400/cristina-kirchner-joven.jpg&imgrefurl=todocristinak.blogspot.com/2009/09/el-padre-de-cristina-fernandez-de.html&h=339&w=350&sz=26&tbnid=P2vGyxZ9bkqAlM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=95&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dkirchner%2Bcristina%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=kirchner+cristina&usg=__ 8IJUH7hq9scLCM3h7KNnX-VX-js=&docid=-YgNuSIFvGBrVM&hl=de&sa=X&ei=o-lnUZq2CYTQtQb-jIDYCA&sqi=2&ved=0CJoBEP4dMA8
35 Pete Bog (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
@33 Captain P
“Do all you RG's just run and put your head in the sand when you are on the spot.......like your Army in 82 when the Brits waxed your asses and ruined your RG spring? Just because you use bits and pieces of history incorrectly and do not know the context of the phrases you refer does not make you any less of a person......that would be near impossible.”

Yes, you have successfully described a Malvanista.

Being a keen sh1tspinner I put it like this.

The Malvanistas know they are about to drive into a wet bog with a 4WD.

Because they are arrogant, they do not engage 4WD and insist bumperkacks planks etc are for cissies.

As everybody else (but they) predict, they get stuck.

They rev up the engines in 4th gear and at some point may actually try selecting low range in 4WD (once they are actually stuck), but too late to get them out of the hole they have made and sunk into.

They then complain it was unfair that someone parked a wet piece of ground in the countryside, but it amounts to the same thing ,no proper research when partially quoting from treaties and history.

They applied the same attention to detail when they invaded the Falklands, and that's why they got their asses whipped after being in a theoretically impregnable position.
36 Simon68 (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
26 Captain Poppy (#)
Jul 14th, 2013 - 05:08 pm

Yes Captain, I think that CFK will not win the October elections, but unfortunately the peronists will, that is the “disident” peronchos. I'm sure that in the Province of Bs. As. Sergio Massa and his neo-kirchnerists will win, which will be an improvement over the present rubbish, and elswhere I think the kirchnerist rabble will take a drubbing.

The one hope for this poor benighted country is Mr. Binner and his FAP, but I don't think the can make a big showing country-wide.
37 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
Well keep your head up. Riding the place of kirchnerites is a start in the right direction. I see the are having trouble locating Jaime.
38 Simon68 (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 04:26 pm Report abuse
37 Captain Poppy (#)
Jul 15th, 2013 - 03:36 pm

I suspect that he has gone the way of all flesh!!!!!!

He knew everything there was to know about the “black” deals of Nestor, De vido, CFK, etc.!!!!!!!!!
39 Briton (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
CAC FC-1 Xiaolong: Argentina’s silver lining?

www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2013/07/chengdu-fc-1-xiaolong-argentinas-silver-lining/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ThinkDefence+%28Think+Defence%29

It’s not a secret by any means, but Argentina and China have been getting their collective heads together to discuss licence production of the single seat aircraft, and thus re-invigorate the Argentine Air Force with a more contemporary jet fighter.
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40 axel arg (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
A REMORA DIFFICULT TO ELIMINATE.
The conflict with the vultures, is one the biggest remoras that we still have since the times of neoliberalism.
Beyond the obvious and expectable reaction by some people, not only in this forum, but in mainland too, who would love to see the presidential plane being restrained because of the denounce of some vulture, it's necesary to say those idiots, and all the rest of the world that the hard conflict with the vultures, is not just an argentine problem, it's a global question, because a decision against argentina by u. s. a's court will have serious consequences in all the rest of the world, due to there won't be any other debt re estructuring, which is something that some european countries need.
On the other hand, i understand that maybe this is not the right place to talk about such a serious issue like our conflict with the vultures, because although i have always thought that mercopress is a serious website, if it's compared to clarin, la nación and perfil, which are shamefully corporate, however many of mercopress's forists don't have enough intellectual honesty in order to discuss about something so complicated like politic, anyway, despite the intellectual decadence of many of the people who often publish their comments here, i have always wanted to tell what is usually omitted in the press about argentina's situation.
I have never been interested in persuading absolutly anybody in this forum, due to this is evident that the ideologies of most people from this forum are very different to mine, but i love talking about politic, beside not all people here are reactionary.
Anyway, not only in mercopress there are reactionary people who often make despisable comments, based on the distortions of the press, or on too partial analysis, in the mainalnd there are many other mediocre people who would love to see the presidential airplane being restrained, just because it would prejudice c. f. k's government.
41 ChrisR (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
“After joking that probably they would keep the plane and let her go”

Well, what exactly is a 60 YO two Yuan whore worth? 100 Yuan?

35 Pete Bog
“They applied the same attention to detail when they invaded the Falklands, and that's why they got their asses whipped after being in a theoretically impregnable position”

Attention to detail does not make up for the lack of a backbone and an army that is UNWILLING to fight. At least they had some good pilots but now they have no planes.

39 Briton
“It’s not a secret by any means, but Argentina and China have been getting their collective heads together to discuss licence production of the single seat aircraft, and thus re-invigorate the Argentine Air Force with a more contemporary jet fighter.”

Couple of problems here:
1) how are they going to pay for them when they have no money or anything that the Chin need apart from The Dark Country itself?

2) the Chin CANNOT manufacture jet engines themselves and are buying them all from Russia who are getting REALLY pissed off about how the Chin copy all their military technology (except engines) without paying for it. International thinking is that Russia may well starve them of engines and the Chin are not about to provide TMBOA with any. Perhaps their new mate Obarmy can let them have a few: oh, he WON’T BE POTUS by then will he?
42 Pete Bog (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
@41
“Attention to detail does not make up for the lack of a backbone and an army that is UNWILLING to fight. At least they had some good pilots but now they have no planes.”

Very true, but it doesn't help surely when you concentrate huge defences in a few locations rather than have more patrols, OP's etc,

A guy who hit Pebble Island was amazed(and delighted) that there were no regular standing patrols around the island, most of the defences being around the settlement, so the insertion and extraction was unchallenged.

I suppose this in itself demonstrates their lack of backbone and if they had spent more time thinking seriously about their defences rather than bullying the islanders we would have been in trouble.

Which is still the case.
43 ChrisR (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
42 Pete Bog

May I please amend you final sentence to:

“Which, happily is still the case”.

The argies just keep making us laugh though and long may TMBOA reign, we wouldn’t want anybody who could actually do anything right would we? :o)
44 Briton (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
41 ChrisR
its all gonna come down to money,
and as she aint got none, you may well be right,

still,
perhaps they could afford some old swordfish..lol
45 Pete Bog (#) Jul 20th, 2013 - 10:34 pm Report abuse
@43 ChrisR
Your amendment is great and yes, they are a constant source of amusement.
With idiots like CFK and Timmerturd, who do not understand British psychology, we have more laughs to come without the threat of anything concrete happening.

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