Saturday, July 13th 2013 - 13:55 UTC

UK confirms policy of no support for World Bank and IADB loans to Argentina

UK Secretary of State for International Development, Justine Greening has confirmed that due to recent actions by the Argentine government she is no longer confident that further investments in Argentina would be consistent with the objectives she laid out in February this year, in an answer to a House of Commons Written Parliamentary Question.

Secretary Greening: UK reserves the right to support loan proposals that benefit the poorest people of Argentina

This recent development is in response to an HM Government e-petition sent to the Department for International Development which read:

“Despite repeated attacks on Britain and the right of Falkland Islanders to remain British, Argentina receives substantial loans from the World Bank, an organisation in which Britain is a major shareholder. But the Government does not use our votes to oppose those loans.

“The Government has told Parliament that, as of March 2012, total outstanding loans to Argentina from the World Bank were 16.2 billion dollars. That means Britain’s share of the outstanding loans is over £200 million, based on our shareholding in the two World Bank institutions lending to the country.

“The Obama Administration in the United States has already announced a policy of voting no to any new loans thanks to Argentina’s failure to respect its obligations to earlier lenders. We call upon the British Government to - at the very least - support that and vote against any new World Bank loans to Argentina.”

The petition was set up by Mathew Sinclair the Director at The TaxPayers' Alliance and received 10,531 signatures in support and prompted the following response from the International Development Dept.

“In February 2013, the Secretary of State for International Development, Justine Greening, confirmed in an answer to a House of Commons Written Parliamentary Question that she has instructed her representatives at the Inter-American Development Bank and World Bank to vote against all new proposals for financial support to the Government of the Republic of Argentina presented by these institutions, while reserving the right to support proposals that can demonstrate exceptional benefits to the poorest people of Argentina. These are the only Multilateral Development Banks (MDBs), in which the UK is a shareholder, from which the Government of Argentina borrows.

“She has also made public that this is because in her view, the UK must ensure that the scarce resources of the MDBs are used as effectively as possible to foster development and economic growth. In light of recent actions by the Argentine government she is no longer confident that further investments in Argentina would be consistent with these objectives.

“The actions include the failure to comply with the World Bank’s International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes rulings; failure to agree to standard IMF Article IV surveillance since 2006; and the recent IMF censure, the first of its kind, as a result of continued failure to remedy breach of data obligations under the IMF Articles of Agreement, seriously undermining our ability to properly assess proposed future loans by the MDBs.

She has also advised that this position will be kept under review, subject to the future actions of the Government of the Republic of Argentina and its compliance with its international obligations.” (PN)
 

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1 andy65 (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 02:59 pm Report abuse
Common sense at last.
2 Troy Tempest (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
Finally... some sanity.
Nice to see that they were influenced in some way by a petition.

Get ready for Trolls condemning the move as 'undemocratic', 'unfair', or 'an aggression', etc.
Other Trolls, Toby and Dany (Sussie) will state “they hate us, we don't need them”
3 Simon68 (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 03:05 pm Report abuse
CFK take note, this is democracy in action!!!!!!

Very different from your ”democritisization(?) of the Judiciary”!!!!!!!!!
4 Gordo1 (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
Now for the European Union financial support for Argentina - let's blow it away!
5 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
Yes because all that works so well to bring countries in line.

North Korea... 60 plus years and counting

Cuba... 55 years and counting for the USA to “crush” them with sanctions. lol

Iran ... 35 years and counting.

Those sanctions have such a speedy, results-oriented record!
6 Optimus_Princeps (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 03:22 pm Report abuse
The loans will just end up in the pockets of the corrupt, or be used to bribe those without the pride of a steady occupation into believing every stupid word that comes out of that cow's mouth.
7 Simon68 (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
I would suggest that all loans to Argentina be given directly to the Qom people to distribute as they see fit!!!!!!!!
8 HansNiesund (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 03:26 pm Report abuse
@5

And what fabulous places to live they all are too. I can see why you're so eager to join them.
9 Boovis (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
@5: so you confirm Argentina should indeed be classed among these criminal states? :D
10 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 03:31 pm Report abuse
I know where I am posting, this is a forum replete with avid Argentina animus.

As for their standard of living, that a moot point, and if anything further shows the impotence of such measures in bringing the countries in question to become subservient, unindependent colonies of the EU, UK, or USA with puppet governments.
11 nigelpwsmith (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
Yet one more reason for the people of Argentina to get rid of that wicked witch in the Casa Rosada and her fat ugly ogre of a son.

She gets rich whilst the people of Argentina get poorer. She corruptly buys votes to keep her in power, then uses her own private mafia to extract the month back from the poorest of the poor. She has Swiss bank accounts full of billions of dollars, whilst the poor Argentines have to hand over all their foreign currency or lose it to crippling tax investigations.

She is driving Argentina into the ground, to become one of the poorest countries on Earth.

Soon, Argentines will have to beg countries like Zimbabwe or Ethiopia for help, because there will be starvation in the streets.

All caused by the wicked witch in the Casa Rosada and her fat ugly son.
12 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 04:09 pm Report abuse
Troy, you have it all wrong. The claimn will be the “racist” card. They are denying loans because we are racist.

Yes tobi

North Korea.....60 years of economic bliss......a country that murders it's people for escaping to eat.

Cuba.....55 years of support for the USSR......the Venezuela......now they are slowly trying market economies.

Iran.....35 years....wtf!....there is nothing to say about your ally iran, other than through April 2013....annualized inflation was 42%, argentina does have a lot in common

You have great role models.
13 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
Why are you people changing the topic... did the cutting of loans and then sanctions OVERTHROW those governments yes or no?

If the answer is no, these measures were abject failures, or your countries are much meeker and feeble than you think.

Either way, if the answer is no, take your pick.

The world knows what the answer is.
14 Clyde15 (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
#10
It's quite simple to understand. Your country is doing us no favours so we are only reciprocating the gesture.
Internationally Argentina takes great joy in berating the UK for it's “sins” according to it's twisted logic. We have done practically nothing to challenge this - now we have.
£200 million may sound a small amount but there are more deserving counties who could do with this help.
15 Conqueror (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
@10 Sure you don't mean “animosity”?

But then, if argieland wasn't such a cheating, lying, thieving shitheap, things might be different. After about 20 years of proving its new-found honesty.

@11 Don't blame CFK and her spastic offspring in isolation. There is plenty of evidence that many argies are similarly bent. Could this be a valid reason for ethnic cleansing? There needs to be research to ensure that useless individuals cannot “contribute” to the gene pool. Compulsory sterilisation for 60-70% of the population. Proper Argentines can assist by chasing down males and chopping their balls off. For females, a white-hot poker in the appropriate orifice should do the trick.
16 ElaineB (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 04:30 pm Report abuse
@ 13 I see the point you are making but I don't think the intention is to overthrow CKF's government. It is withdrawing support because the money was intended specifically to help the poorest Argentines and instead the money has disappeared into the pockets of the Kirchner oligarchy.

Any overthrowing needs to be done by the people of Argentina. You see, each time they see something like the withdrawal of support by the WB and the reason why, they see they are being fed lies by CFK. Eventually they will see her for what she is and dispatch her.
17 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
I“m not sure what ”attacks” have been perpetrated outside the sphere of the Falklands. I highly suspect that for the UK, just like for the EU and the USA, having a different worldview constitutes an attack.
18 Clyde15 (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 04:44 pm Report abuse
#13
Take South Africa. Sanctions and world condemnation of the regime finally made the Boers realise they could not win. It took a long while but finally succeeded.
N.Korea is coming back to the negotiating table.
Cuba will gradually come back to some kind of democracy which suits their population
Who knows in the case of Iran. Other than sanctions there is nothing else that can be done short of a war.
When the population are ruled by religious zealots with guns then the people keep their heads down. Who knows what will happen there but why should we make it easy for their govt. to reclaim the Persian Empire of historical times.
19 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 04:52 pm Report abuse
@18

So what you are suggesting is that when Truman, De Gaulle, Kennedy, et all imposed sanctions and embargoes, it was the plan all along in the understanding it would take half a century for them to start working their magic? I imagine Kennedy saying 'lets embargo Cuba because they've turned communist, hopefully within the next 60 years... that will get me re-elected”.
20 andy65 (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 05:01 pm Report abuse
@ The Truth PaTroll , so take a minute and explain what kind of life the peoples of the country's you so proudly mention have to suffer tell us all about the freedoms they enjoy tell us all that for one minute wouldn't most of the peoples of the country's you mention want to change the way they live if only in fear of the gun????
21 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
“UK confirms policy of no support for World Bank and IADB loans to Argentina”
Thank you.
We don't need toilet paper from unemployed Europe and their friends.
22 ElaineB (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 05:13 pm Report abuse
@19 You are talking about a completely different time. Read up on the Cuban missile crisis. You cannot even begin to compare the political situation 50 years ago with today.

Again, this is not about overthrowing the Argentine government. CFK's government refuses to account for where the WB loan money is going. We all know it is not reaching the poor as was intended but is going in the back pockets of corrupt officials, so future loans will not be made.
23 andy65 (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
@ Marcos Alejandro, You might be unemployed living of the fat of the land in London a country that as given you sanctuary from a piss hole of a country like Argentina but never forget you can always take the daily BA flight back to where you came from but be honest life in The UK is far to good compared to where you fled from.
24 ElaineB (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 05:29 pm Report abuse
@21 Marcos, you don't need it where you are but your glorious leader CFK is desperate for ANY money. She has spent everything. Right now she would sell her daughter for candy floss.
25 Clyde15 (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
#19
No. But the alternative is physical force. In the case of Cuba, it nearly came to WW3 ! I can remember seeing some of our V
bomber force turning up at Prestwick airport when the Russian ships were nearing Cuba. It became obvious that this was more than one of their routine exercises and there was something really scary afoot.

#21 Yes you do !
26 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
Tobi you cannot say the embargo on Cuba was ineffective for 60 years because the vast majority of those years, Cuba was outright propped up and supported by the USSR solely do to the proximity to the USA. When the USSR collapsed, as most communism does and will, so did Cuba. Then cubby chavo came along to support Cuba and they barely chugged along. Now Venezuela can't even wipe their asses let alone support Cuba, Cuba for the first time is changing. After 60 years they are allowing some market reforms and travel. What kind of a national refused their citizens to freely travel the world? Perhaps Argentina will be the next afterall they outlaw international currency and no one wants an Argentine peso.
27 Troy Tempest (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
Mark & Toby Show

North Korea and Cuba are Totalitarian States, remnants of Communism , a failed ideology, yet perpetuated by a military elite for their own purposes.

The USA lost all their industrial investments and assets in Cuba, and then Nuclear missiles were installed there to intimidate the US.
Understandable that there was resentment.

There is great resentment too,in Cuba, from the young educated people towards the USSR for leaving abruptly after 28 years of support.
Very very lean times followed.
China and Canada invested money and technology in the Cuban petroleum sector, Italy and Spain (EU) worked with them to develop the Tourist Industry, their bread and butter.

I have been to Cuba Toby - you haven't.
They did suffer terribly - very little food.

The US is looking to invest, EU and Canadian tourism has brought new wealth, now that they are gaining the freedom to exercise Free Enterprise again.

Once the Castros are gone, it will be a new Cuba, whether you like it or not.

North Korea wants South Korea and...

Are you going to give it to them?
28 Nostros (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
@21, Yes you do
29 A_Voice (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 07:09 pm Report abuse
“Argentina receives substantial loans from the World Bank, an organisation in which Britain is a major shareholder”

Wow! is that what you call a major shareholder………….1.25 %

Now here we are……the real reason why the little ass licker is doing this…..

“The Obama Administration in the United States has already announced a policy of voting no to any new loans thanks to Argentina’s failure to respect its obligations to earlier lenders. We call upon the British Government to - at the very least - support that and vote against any new World Bank loans to Argentina.”

JUMP………how high master!
You fools only see what you want to see!
30 El capitano (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 07:26 pm Report abuse
How long will it be before the unwashed mass's in Arjuntina realize that..“What go's around comes around”..? Yup they sure are great at shooting themselves in the foot...!!..lol
31 BritishAlways (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
If only the UK would do the same with the other fascists in Spain who constantly attack Gibraltar. The UK sends billions of British taxpayers’ monies to fund the EU to subsidize Spain’s bankrupt economy and all they do is commit acts of aggression against Gibraltar. We live in hope.
32 Monkeymagic (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
Aha.....A-hole me old cocker...

Not so long ago you were telling us how intolerable the £65m a year defence costs of the Falklands were to the UK tax payer.

Well, looks like our savings in “loans” to Argentina should more than cover that.

Thinks “cost per Kelper” and “hitting the UK were it hurts, in their pocket” seems to be failing miserably.

Chuckle chuckle.
33 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
#29 There you are. I thought you disappeared considering you never came back in the AMIA article regarding my question to you about Frnaklin and “essential libery” and “temporary purchased security”. Do you like typical argentines just run away and hid when you do not know something yet use partial bits and pieces of history?
34 Troy Tempest (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
Poppy

Think does “know” things. he realise we know them too, that's why he has no answer that he feels he can get away with.

This end of loans seems to make him angry though - I'm enjoying it!!

“Not fair, not fair !!”

Right, Thinky- Dink?

:-D
35 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 08:46 pm Report abuse
Troy did you read the Washington Post? Oasshole is thinking about support Argentina in a SCOTUS appeal. His AG Holder, whom is already on thin ice as well as Obama himself is pushing their lucking supporting a foreigner over a US citizen. They have not made a determination yet as I am sure they are testing the winds to gauge to repercussions. However, that being said, there are nine on SCOTUS with 4 as activist justices trying to re-invent law and 5 conventional justices that just judge the law.
Personally, I think Obama would be pushing his luck as he already had a number of Senators and Representatives from Democrats and Republicans sending letters of outrage if they do.
36 screenname (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
The UK wants to avoid throwing good money at Argentina when we are not going to see the money they have already screwed us for. I really don't see how attempting to cut our losses translates into the UK/EU/US trying to be an imperialist master to Argentina.

Argentina have clearly won this one and everyone else is trying for damage limitation, so why are the malvinistas acting like whiny little bitches? Are they really so selfish that they believe that not only should they get a free ride, but no one should even consider trying to stop them?
37 Clyde15 (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
#29
Do you advocate UK taxpayer's money to be loaned to Argentina when they are certainly no friend to us. If so, why ?
38 screenname (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
@37 Clyde15: “Do you advocate UK taxpayer's money to be loaned to Argentina when they are certainly no friend to us”

The obvious answer is that it is Think, who most(if not all) on here believe to be Argentinean.

But beyond that, we invest in and do business with loads of countries (really governments, but lets call them countries just for ease) that we are not exactly best mates with: the difference is we might see a return, or at least some sort of positive outcome for the UK.

Argentina are just taking the mickey
39 HansNiesund (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
@29 A_Voice

“The actions include the failure to comply with the World Bank’s International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes rulings; failure to agree to standard IMF Article IV surveillance since 2006; and the recent IMF censure, the first of its kind, as a result of continued failure to remedy breach of data obligations under the IMF Articles of Agreement, seriously undermining our ability to properly assess proposed future loans by the MDBs.”

How much of the above is untrue?
40 A_Voice (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 10:42 pm Report abuse
@37
Simple factual answer is......
”A spokesman for the Department of International Development has stated that “no British taxpayers’ money is spent on World Bank loans to Argentina. The Secretary of State will consider Britain’s position on any future World Bank loans when the time comes.”
@39
“The Obama Administration in the United States has already announced a policy of voting no to any new loans thanks to Argentina’s failure to respect its obligations to earlier lenders. We call upon the British Government to - at the very least - support that and vote against any new World Bank loans to Argentina.”

How much of the above is untrue?
The TaxPayers' Alliance should be aware of the facts before sending silly petitions.
Or you end up being a...... right proper ganda!
41 andy65 (#) Jul 13th, 2013 - 11:45 pm Report abuse
@A_Voice So tell us how democracy works in Argentina I believe the botox queen never takes question and answer sessions from her dear peoples-why is that ?
42 A_Voice (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 12:00 am Report abuse
OMG and WTF is this………Groundhog Day????
But most of you already know this………..don't you!
en.mercopress.com/2012/07/06/mps-call-for-uk-to-vote-against-world-bank-loans-to-argentina-to-counter-falklands-aggression

What have I walked into here .....you bunch of sad losers, you have already debated this a year ago……..what are you people………some sort of Groundhog Day Club?
So how many of these articles are re-hashed nonsense are any of them......real news?......and how many circles have you been around?

It's Freakin' Freaky!!!!!………Get an Effing life!

@41 andy65
............I have no idea
43 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 12:08 am Report abuse
Come on Andy let's be fair. If she was to take questions she will be put in a spot of having to answer questions about the constant states of strikes, the pervasive corruption of her husbands croonies, the fact that she destroyed Argentina faster and deeper than anyone else. Now would you allow the media to ask you questions that you have no clue on how to answer?
So much for transparency in government.

Apparently stink does not understand just because we've addressed her never allowing to media to question her a year ago does not mean this problem as an elected official goes away until she starts giving Q&A sessions.
44 ElaineB (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 12:09 am Report abuse
@42 *holds mirror up to your face*
45 A_Voice (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 12:24 am Report abuse
@43
stink?
“Apparently stink does not understand just because we've addressed her never allowing to media to question her a year ago does not mean this problem as an elected official goes away until she starts giving Q&A sessions.”

You best start laying off that Possum and Road kill........what are you talking about........follow the link at @42
God must love stupid people. He made so many.
Hey.......bet you think Fast Food is running over a possum at 75 miles per hour.
@44
Just did.......who's that handsome guy...... ;-)
46 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 12:46 am Report abuse
Yes stink/think and a-voice hole....the vast majority all seem to live in SA. Is that why you “claim” to have left Argentina?
That handsome guy is your lover. I have a hard time believing a woman or a man could tolerate you. But then stranger things have happened......have you live bred any nits? I suggest you stomp on them. If you can't.....I would love to help.
47 A_Voice (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 01:02 am Report abuse
@46
Haha I can see from your remarks you are feeling embarrassed and stupid.......next time........actually read the post........I know that's difficult for you. Never having graduated with a high school diploma, but feel secure in that you are not alone......it's fairly common in the States.
I can always remember a Yank asking me where he could get the ferry to Ten N_A.....I said, “never heard of it”. He said, “no here it is, an island on this map”......hehehe it was..... IONA..........ermmm it was printed in a san-serif like helvetica not like this times roman!
But I can see the similarities.......with you!......Ya Dumb Cluck!
48 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 01:22 am Report abuse
You are quite a bore think......but you are funny. Keep diverting
49 A_Voice (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 01:35 am Report abuse
@48
Oh dear you don't have the wit to swop insults with me........give it up.
But hey, give my regards to your Aunty/Mother and your Sister/Wife .....it's the Redneck way!
AVoice has left the building!
50 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 01:37 am Report abuse
Insults is not my thing....go for it think.....at least you've mastered something. You win
51 Troy Tempest (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 01:55 am Report abuse
@35 Poppy
I don't share all your feelings about Obama, but I have to admit that I just do not understand some of his foreign policies. I think they've been hi-jacked by special interest groups.

The more that StinkVoice screams his indignation and name-calls, the more I think we've hit the Troll on the head!

He may cry that it makes mo difference or we're fools for doing it, but
No money for Argentina is the right thing to do!

Ha ha ha ha, hurts, doesn't it Stinko!!!
52 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 02:16 am Report abuse
Troy......Obama is really riding my last freaking nerve. I will be bluntly honestly, I despise my president. Bush was a moron but I didn't despise him. Obama will give this country away. What he does in this next year will determine the balance of power in both the Senate and the House.

Yes, I must admit.....stinkvoice is like all the trolls. They start of calm, cool and collected. But once all they say is punched ragged and littered with holes, they become unraveled and grow angrier by the post until they collapse. dumburger sounds so much like stinkvoice.
53 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 03:57 am Report abuse
24 Elaine, Your glorious leader K(amoron) is the desperate one.

”Ageing Britain 'faces up to five more decades of austerity’

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10178284/Ageing-Britain-faces-up-to-five-more-decades-of-austerity.html
54 ElaineB (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 04:17 am Report abuse
@53 Now you know you are just being a very silly boy.
55 Faz (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 07:05 am Report abuse
#53.. Yes, more austerity for us, but... 1/4 of our population is not in poverty on $7 a day like in RGland. That's why you choose to sponge off the UK isn't it? And, things are getting a whole lot worse for RGs when all the $ have finally been stolen by the Botox Queen and Gollum. The whole place will soon go tits up!
56 reality check (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 07:25 am Report abuse
@54
What? That one again, nothing better in the Guardian?
57 Heisenbergcontext (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 08:14 am Report abuse
@53:

Not sure what point you're trying to make. It was a pretty positive article if you read the whole thing & the Brits seem to handling austerity with a good deal more patience and dignity then their fellow Europeans.
58 Pete Bog (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 08:49 am Report abuse
@7
That's a very good idea Simon.

After all the Qom are' original 'Argentines and I doubt the money would end up in Switzerland.

Also, although the Falklands don't need aid, because there are no desperately poor people in the Falklands, I'm sure a 'small' sum of development aid for the deep water port wouldn't go amiss.

And unlike Argentina who receive aid from the UK and spit at us, the islanders would be more appreciative of development aid, and the UK would get some return in the future where loan to Argentina achieves a negative return

@5

This isn't a sanction.

Why should the UK lend money to Argentina when:
1/-Aid does not reach the poor-it goes into CFKs Swiss bank accounts.
2/- Argentina does not pay back loans.
3/-Argentina declares the UK as an enemy.
4/-It finances Argentina's wish to be an Imperialist bully.

@21
If amongst the many other things it cannot manufacture , Argentina cannot actually manufacture toilet paper, the Dark Country is indeed in deep sh1t.
If you are in need of European toilet paper, things are indeed grim.

@53

Yet Argentina in the past has been happy to receive aid off an austere UK.

The definition of UK austerity=mega mega wealth beyond wildest dreams in Argentina-a question of context.
59 Conqueror (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
@17 Wouldn't you construe failing to comply with treaties, stealing people's money from around the world, refusing to comply with the judgements of various courts to be “attacks”. Guess what. There are over 50 judgements against argieland. Being criminal, argieland refuses to comply. It fought, it argued, it lost. And then it said “The rules are wrong. We're supposed to always win! So we're not playing anymore”.
@21 Well, according to Venezuela, you do!
@29 Do I care? It so happens that the UK sees things the same way as the USA. As long as it hurts argieland, I'm all for it. I think argies dying from starvation in the streets is worth a whole section on youtube. Perhaps we could bet. Pick out an individual, such as yourself, and make bets on when you will starve to death. Just imagine the excitement as you stagger down the street. Put money on when your bowels will open. Be nearly as good as watching gladiators in Rome. But, with the lack of toilet paper, much funnier!
@40 But the spokesman didn't say how much British money has been given to argieland. And the answer is? Too much! The important thing is that we get a say on whether ANY money is “loaned” to argieland. Given argieland's failure to repay debts, why lend it any more? Isn't it supposed to be “rich” in resources? So we can just stand back and watch. Hahahahahaha!
@42 What you seem to have lost sight of is that you took 258 British lives. We haven't yet made you pay enough for that. But we will.
@49 Don't you mean that you've left the shanty? “Buildings”! In argieland? Built by the British then. While you're out, steal some more corrugated tin.
@53 Still a hundred times better than slugland! How does it feel to be a loser that the whole world laughs at? Remember Tinboy rushing to the UN to “expose” UK “militarisation”? As usual, demonstrating argie brain-death. Maybe you should try some “austerity”. As a start, stop eating. Then you won't need toilet paper.
60 mikey48 (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 02:50 pm Report abuse
They should have stopped all payements to argentina many many years ago.Argentina owe to IMF,they owe to the USA,they owe to all global institutions.They dont have any money lefr as like greece all overspent and nothing left.So stopping all future payements is long overdue and hope this will stay until argentina accepts that the Falkland Islands are British,will always be british,it will never be called anything but Falkland Islands.
61 Escoses Doido (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 06:41 pm Report abuse
Just out of curiosity, did anybody else who posts on here apart from myself, sign the said petition?
62 Briton (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
UK-USA
who will be next to stop money to CFK.
63 reality check (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
Yep, but if I knew the US was going to order our government to do it anyway, I would not have bothered.

“how high master!”

Lol. They just get better and better.
64 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
Who the hell is left supporting Argentina....the Chinese? Even that is coming to an end with them going into the soy business. I can China colonizing Africa to farm their soy for bio-diesel. They were does that leave Argentina? The largest part GDP is farming, tourism and manufacturing.......when will they just admit that heterodoxy economic policies and worthless shit.
65 Joe Bloggs (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
Others will join in country by country. Canada is already making noises.

61 Thanks for signing it if you did. Was this the same petition that Think intimated wouldn't get many signatures? I seem to remember him mocking it when there were 500 signatures on it.

Speaking of Think; remember when he used to post as an ex military officer who was dedicated to raising funds for UK veterans and their families. What a cheek that deadbeat has.

Credibility check anyone?

Chuckle chuckle.
66 reality check (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 08:47 pm Report abuse
Joe.
Certainly did, must be the same petition, if I recall it was on UKGOV website.

Probably not legal though, as it was not established by the UN and held with internationally recognised monitors being present, we're the voters indigious, peoples or persons! Etc, etc, etc!

On the subject of petitions, I suggest they start another million signature petition to reinstate the aid.

Two quid a head, not to be scoffed at!
67 Think (#) Jul 14th, 2013 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
(65) Joe Bloggs

You say...:
“Was this the same petition that Think intimated wouldn't get many signatures? I seem to remember him mocking it when there were 500 signatures on it.”

I say...:
Wrong remembered……...... Again….......…. Kelper Joe…............
I was mocking Captain Poppy's White House E Petition that didn’t even get 100 signatures…......
Don’t you believe me……? Check it out…:
en.mercopress.com/2013/03/18/pope-francis-meets-cristina-fernandez-150-world-leaders-expected-for-tuesday-s-ceremony#comment229572
68 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 12:32 am Report abuse
Who cares.....try that at la casa rosa.........can you?

Still think that letter was written in 1775 and not 1755?
69 Troy Tempest (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 04:43 am Report abuse
61

Yes, I signed it. Required to be a UK Subject, as I recall.

No problem. :-)
70 lsolde (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 09:15 am Report abuse
@61,
l signed it with pleasure.
And made it aware to others.
Hope they signed too!
71 GeoffWard2 (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 09:55 am Report abuse
No time to read the comments to date, but it seems that Greening is 'putting the block in' early.
72 Conqueror (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 12:53 pm Report abuse
@61 If I recall correctly, I did.
@63 Could you get away from this idea that the UK does anything the USA says? It may be that we see many things in much the same way. Tracking back to the Vietnam war, I seem to recall the Australia went and the UK didn't. Wasn't the UK more capable? But it wasn't in our interest. But if we'd gone with Hitler in the 40s, we could probably have got America back. Especially with Canada attacking from the north!
@71 Argieland owes the UK at least £45 million. It has done since 1979. And most of the money was used to finance the argie invasion of the Falkland Islands. By purchasing, amongst other things, two Type 42 destroyers. And, last year, some brain-dead group of liberals calling itself “Jubilee Debt Campaign” was saying the debt should be cancelled. Just goes to show how thick liberals are.

However, to your comment, how is this 'putting the block in' early?
73 Briton (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 06:14 pm Report abuse
I to signed it too..
74 LEPRecon (#) Jul 15th, 2013 - 10:47 pm Report abuse
I signed it too.

I have no problem helping the poor, but I do have a problem helping the rich corrupt classes get richer.
75 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 01:38 am Report abuse
@74

So why you pay UK taxes? You helped all those trillionaire banks cover their loses, didn't you? Have they given you stock in their banks now that they are profitable again?

I guess next crash you'll be gladly paying for their loses too.
76 Troy Tempest (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 06:52 am Report abuse
TTT

Keep crying, Argentina... and Toby.

No more money for you.
77 v for victory (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 09:47 am Report abuse
@61 Yep, I signed the petition.

My thoughts are that if enough countries stop feeding the weed (Argentine gov) it will die off which will allow something new to take over.
78 The Truth PaTroll (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
@76

You know what I said whas the utter truth, quite inconvenient isn't. You pay for the poor in other countries and for the rich in your own country.
79 Troy Tempest (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
78Toby Tedious Troll

Oh, dear.
Believe what you like Toby.
Still, no money for YOU - no matter who else gets any.
That's OUR business, and WE have decided that you aren't getting anything.

“Unfair, unfair!!” cries the ugly troll.
80 lsolde (#) Jul 16th, 2013 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
@79 Troy Tempest,
Specifically no more of OUR money for Argentina.
That gives this household immense satisfaction.
81 Ayayay (#) Jul 17th, 2013 - 05:59 am Report abuse
Maybe they can make arrangements w the Qom and Mapuche directly! :D The WB has been instrumental in bringing solar to communities with no infrastructure.
82 Troy Tempest (#) Jul 17th, 2013 - 06:07 am Report abuse
Isolde

That's what this is about.
83 Pete Bog (#) Jul 17th, 2013 - 11:47 am Report abuse
@78
“ You pay for the poor in other countries and for the rich in your own country”

And the Argentine poor don't get a bean but the rich like CFK get loadsa money in Swiss banks.
84 Captain Poppy (#) Jul 17th, 2013 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
#78 tobi....the thing is that when you have money......we can decide you it goes to and who it does not. And Argentina is on the NOT list.

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